gtfo-related-questions

[minor fractal]

I've had a few R2E1s w/ a few many PDWs or PRs.

[vernal marsh]

What's the longest lvl in the game purley by room count

[minor fractal]

The actual downside is that you are slotting a weapon that is kind of mid when the meta weaps are really really strong

so the trade-off is generally not worth

[prime musk]

just by number of rooms it's probably 4c2

[vernal marsh]

one of the worst missions in the game is also the longest I'm so happy

[prime musk]

but i'd imagine 5b1, 5b2, 5d1 to all be in contention

it's kinda hard to feel how many rooms a level has though im just guessing

some of the "big" levels that feel large, have very large tiles so it's not that many rooms

[vernal marsh]

that tracks

[vernal marsh]

5D1 has a ton of those iirc

[prime musk]

it has a decent amount, but the side zones of main have a lot of small rooms and so do the side zones of secondary

[vernal marsh]

Totally forgot about secondary because that sucked

my fault

😭

[prime musk]

sec is massive

[raven copper]

wait......

massive....

[prime musk]

r5d1 is like 60ish rooms

a little less

im not going to bother to count the other maps i mentioned but it seems about right

[upbeat flame]

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-fortnite-reaction-ninja-low-taper-fade-gif-1784137995500051652

[prime musk]

i went and counted because i got bored 4c2 is 75 rooms across all sectors

[raven copper]

they're kinda dragging the mission with all those rooms.....

[tardy ingot]

R4C2 has a lot of pretty big rooms. Might be warped due to that

[past mesa]

Most rooms maybe r5c2

Big level lab if your looking for many rooms lab or datacenter is the goal

Maybe a werid cave level

[normal granite]

Is it possible to do start the r4e1 sec with error still going?

Or is the bulk key locked behind putting in cells

[frail heart]

It’s locked

But we already thought of this and tgb made a mod where you can do that

And you don’t have to plug cells

[vestal crest]

Holy shit I just got to the surge sustain scan on r5e1

First attempt past the first error alarm too

That last scan is insane if you don’t cfoam correctly lol

[sturdy glen]

it can get pretty rough ye

[vestal crest]

We accidentally let a giant slip and he started pounding on the door early

We got good luck with the tank charger feeler room too

Is it possible to get feeler and tank in the same room?

[sturdy glen]

ye

[vestal crest]

Tank feeler first room must suck then

We got tank first room feeler second, which I’m guessing is the best possible spawn

[umbral gale]

Is the hel sentry or shotgun sentry more wasteful

Generally speaking

[timber shoal]

shotgun sentry by a long shot

hel auto can be very strong with the right positioning

[upbeat flame]

Yeah shotgun is overall the worst sentry, all the others have their place

[umbral gale]

Neat

[normal granite]

Sounds fun

[burnt inlet]

Usually one person rushes cscout down and rest takes care of tank and eventual chargers, i think mom room more risky ngl

[fathom ice]

from all my experience

tank is always scarier than mom

[normal granite]

Tank just a big baby

Sure you can kill mother faster, but if it sneaks up on you or you dont expect it, id say its harder

[tardy ingot]

They effectively serve different purposes

A tank doesnt snowball a situation over time by adding more danger

It works as zone control, trying to stop you from going where you want

Meanwhile a mom isnt even remotely as dangerous straight up since it has to spawn and then wait.
It wants other enemies to grab and keep your attention, while it stays away safely

[normal granite]

Alone, a tank is more dangerous

With other enemies, a mother is

[tardy ingot]

depends on the circumstances

if you can rush the mom shes a freebie

if a tank is rushing your space with a wave its scary af

R7D2 is a good example

both just need different answers to deal with

A moms threat comes from her surviving and continiously spawning more

A tank doesnt add more to the fire, but he can limit your options

This is also why tank + wave + mom is actually a very strong combo (just not used intentionally)

[frail heart]

Also I will just say a Pmom is WAYYYYYYY scarier than a normal mom

[sturdy glen]

the mom will be scary in hard mode...

✊

[frail heart]

Master mode when

[sturdy glen]

3x instead of 2x and you take 50% more damage

ez

[frail heart]

Can boss enemies drop treasure bags 🤑

[sturdy glen]

I want the golden tank trophy

[undone raven]

I want the tank banner

[uneven kiln]

remove LOS check requirement for spawning baby strikers

[tardy ingot]

So just make mom have kraken spawn

(Without the weird limit)

[minor fractal]

I do think a slower mom that does small births from 1 room away would be a lot better than current mom.

She's kind of fast/annoying rn, and either does nothing or completely destabilizes you depending on context.

[tardy ingot]

Damn ray wants a teenage mom with spy cams 1 room away

[civic wave]

this message sounds repugnant out of context

[vernal marsh]

What was the main inspiration behind gtfo if anyone knows it?

[ocean spindle]

spite for payday 2 🔥

[vernal marsh]

hm

[ocean spindle]

ok no

theres a vid for the making of gtfo

in 10cs channel

[tardy ingot]

Out of context thats horrid 100%

[past mesa]

Moms design is kinda not great atm

Especially with Los abuse and current guns a constant stream would just be better to force us to push out

Then we don’t have to deal with moms in the wall

Fog cloud(smaller) could always be around as well to stop long range fire

[tardy ingot]

mom movement is the real big thing for for its design

make her slower but move „better“

then remove scatter

[past mesa]

It is the solution to most things remove scatter

But even without scatter mom ideal mom is she doesn’t birth

[safe cradle]

Give mom a speed nerf but she has the AoE of a giant striker

[tardy ingot]

well ya

but tbh thats looking at it from very high skill and knowledge

[tardy ingot]

lol no

she will run into you

[past mesa]

And it is funny when

They rush

[tardy ingot]

funniest teamwipe in history

[past mesa]

Eva

[safe cradle]

depends on how the nerf is

I still think she could use SOME attack so she's not a target for X seconds after you cleared the babies

[ocean spindle]

i kinda like the idea of being able to counter an enemy and kill it before it spawns, with the big mother being the antithesis- something u cannot rlly kill before it spawns
maybe if the big mom had these changes

[ripe hamlet]

the humble ctrip

[safe cradle]

The problem, like Jish said, is resolved by deleting scattergun since you can use enough scatterguns to deal with mom/pmom easily

[tardy ingot]

as a whole I think reasonable:

1. fix her movement so she doesnt run into walls and corners
2. make mom move slower. This is to not make her a menace to deal with after changing 1.

I do think that you could touch up spawn amount and delay, but id rather make another enemy for that

Like the idea of potato spawning 3-4 nightmare babies (which explode for ~8 dmg instead of licking)

[ocean spindle]

yeah dat why maybe make her be able to spawn from one room away

without los

[tardy ingot]

Obv remove scatter to make mom a threat again

[past mesa]

Tbh it just would have been nice to have a spawner enemy where instead of hide from it you push

[safe cradle]

No plz no kamikaze monsters

[ocean spindle]

exploding enemies sounds so funk

cry of fear ass babies

[safe cradle]

Kamikaze monsters are the gutter of design ;_;

[tardy ingot]

Yes yes yes

[past mesa]

Mom currently you either instant kill or hide from

[tardy ingot]

In very small amounts only though

[past mesa]

And tank is much the same way

[ripe hamlet]

me when i spend five mins hiding behind a wall cause mom wont come into my room

[tardy ingot]

Tank is space denial through dmg

[past mesa]

Mom space denial through baby

[safe cradle]

I think the issue is that tank always feels at least a bit like a threat while a mom simply doesn't after she spawns babies

[tardy ingot]

mom you want to rush. The only way it does space denial is when you cant rush yet

realistically a mom itself isnt even a threat

You can always baby clear

[past mesa]

yeah Hense less babies more frequently without los

I think my main issue is the baby way you don’t even really interact with

Because we kill it in one spot

[minor fractal]

The idea would be if she sits 1 room away the danger is pushing through active waves to reach and clear her.

[tardy ingot]

suddenly some tiles are utter bs for moms to show up in

imagine mom in r1b2 first alarm

[safe cradle]

I can see that but in some istances wouldn't this be just a "let me rush ignoring babies to scatter anyway" scenario?

[tardy ingot]

spawns babies 100 meters away

[safe cradle]

I mean why should we imagine a scenario that is impossibile?

[tardy ingot]

ngl just make a new enemy instead

[past mesa]

It should probs be just a range

Not a room

[safe cradle]

Am I missing some context?

[ripe hamlet]

mom spawning one room away is so evil

all those big ass room would be a killer to do with mom

[past mesa]

Extactly

[tardy ingot]

Not that far, but youd get stuff spawning easily 50 meters away in some

[ripe hamlet]

need to add a modded mom where she can close door behind her as she flee

[tardy ingot]

Reminder this game isnt balanced around higher tier play and knowledge

This is realistically a horror to play against for anyone newer. Not just due to difficulty but also from confusion of whats happening

Reducing the spawn size and making it more frequent would likely require it to spawn waaaaay less overall compared to a current cycle

[past mesa]

Reminds me of my desired behaviour for scouts when they wake up

[tardy ingot]

Instead make a new enemy that is just designed around it specifically and maybe doesnt spawn babies but smth unique

[past mesa]

Is to go find more sleepers

[safe cradle]

Ironically that'd also be way cooler

Since it makes the enemy appear "intelligent"

to an extent

[past mesa]

It would be so silly scouts back waking up enemies

Scout chaining would be disgusting

[ripe hamlet]

suddenly the entire zone wakes up ahh moment

[upbeat flame]

LMAO rxcd enemy to gtfo

[ripe hamlet]

maybe its skill issue but i feel mom is so much easier to play against compared to tank

[upbeat flame]

Well yeah?

[tardy ingot]

1. its somewhat supposed to be
2. scatter resolves the threat of mom more than it does for tank
3. even at a base line, any baby clear neutralizes the threat if you can be there on time

[atomic helm]

i understand it being a waste of c-foam, but if you c-foam a scout, is it safe to kill it with a knife? i assume it would be.

[past mesa]

Yeah

[upbeat flame]

Yeah it is

[tardy ingot]

Yes
But you can do so without foam too

[upbeat flame]

You just have to make sure you kill it before it unfoams

[past mesa]

It isn’t a waste

Btw

[ripe hamlet]

knife to back of the head will kill a scout

[upbeat flame]

Also you can kill a scout by hitting it in the back of the head

[past mesa]

You can foam scouts and should do it especially if rooms are disgusting

[atomic helm]

i said waste cuz it would be better to just bring sledge or spear to kill it

[past mesa]

It will speed your gameplay up

[past mesa]

4 blobs

Very cheap

[tardy ingot]

Hammer is easier yes, but knife is mostly about hitting the occiput (back of the head) so its not necessarily awful

[atomic helm]

im aware hitting them in the back of the head can kill them but its kinda hard to do without getting caught

[ripe hamlet]

if you can foam and kill a scout you can probably melee kill it anyway

[tardy ingot]

also spear

is eh

[past mesa]

Yeah

[ripe hamlet]

if you cant melee kill with foam its better off to just shoot the scout and fall back to funnel

[past mesa]

What if two scout

[ripe hamlet]

its a bit finnicky but you can just practice it

[past mesa]

Foam one shoot other then shoot foam one

[ripe hamlet]

if you know how it works it not that hard compared to other melee

[past mesa]

Foaming scouts good

[tardy ingot]

mandates you have foam or found a cfoam grenade/trip

[past mesa]

They probs do

[tardy ingot]

which can be a trade off to make in a level

[ripe hamlet]

just sync shot

[past mesa]

they definitely are running one of each

[atomic helm]

guess ill just bring cfoam all the time then

[tardy ingot]

💀

[past mesa]

Based

Foam main

Let’s go

[ripe hamlet]

or kill both yourself as a style point

[past mesa]

We got one

[tardy ingot]

Jish just stated they love perma foam

into the dungeon with them

[past mesa]

Allows me to alt tab

And play with one hand

Goon maxing

[tardy ingot]

you need go play foam for that? Pfft

[past mesa]

I have a pretty big hog so sometimes I might cheat and use two hands

[tardy ingot]

I just go afk in alarms

Even better if its an S1

during recent (well about a month ago) speeds I was playing competetive pokemon during the beginning section

[ripe hamlet]

S1 alarm is the most dreadful thing

chat im washed

some s1 duo are so cooked

[past mesa]

You are obviously not a wave clear player

Alt tanner

Tabber

[ripe hamlet]

damn

wave clear card got revoked

cant use hel gun no more

[uneven kiln]

Adding LadderFoamFix to Jish’s HardMode as a dependency

And lots of ceiling holes for enemies to drop down like R6D3

[timber shoal]

i feel that though

r5c1 is no bueno

first s1 anyways

[ripe hamlet]

apparently you shoot better than me

r5c1 is rough

[timber shoal]

i doubt it

[ripe hamlet]

its okay

i probably skill prog a bit

been a while since i have to do s1

[uneven kiln]

The scouts used to respawn

[ripe hamlet]

didnt they still do?

i dont really remember

the entire lvl is a blur

only the pain of uplinks remain

[timber shoal]

nah just the giants

[past mesa]

Noooooooooooooo

[burnt inlet]

No more R6D4 for me

[ripe hamlet]

we foam the ground the old way

[winter breach]

<@&408548765599793173> strike him down

[vestal crest]

in r5e1, during the charger error alarm is it possible to get a bad spawn for the fog turbine?

for example is it possible to spawn in the right-hand room when entering the zone? or is it guaranteed to spawn near the entrance?

I guess im just wondering if I can plan on skipping pinging it with the terminal or if I should plan on going to the terminal unless i see the turbine first

[burnt inlet]

AFAIK it’s rng where it spawns

You can always Q2 tech

Quicker than ping sometimes

[uneven kiln]

patching this out rn

[vestal crest]

I figured it was rng, but i was mainly wondering how bad the rng can be

[upbeat flame]

I've heard this around, what is it

[vestal crest]

Like can it spawn in the side room

[uneven kiln]

yes

[upbeat flame]

how does an voiceline command help you?

[uneven kiln]

I have had it there

I haven't checked all the markers for it

[ocean spindle]

tells u if ur in rhe room with the item

[uneven kiln]

but I know about 3-4 locations

[vestal crest]

You can use the objective tab to see if someone is in the room with an item

[uneven kiln]

am in the room with you

[ocean spindle]

haha i wrote it faster

[ocean spindle]

if ur not u shoukd

[vestal crest]

My hands are cold and on mobile

[upbeat flame]

interesting, so I assume you get different voice lines for if it's there or not

[vestal crest]

It won’t appear

But if a teammate is in the room it will give you an option

[ocean spindle]

no u just get the option to say it if ur in the room

[vestal crest]

Like “[teammate] carry the objective item”

[upbeat flame]

oh interesting

[vestal crest]

Pretty handy

[vestal crest]

Aight guess I’ll just have to plan on having tons of backup fog repellers

Although it feels like if it’s in the side room it would be better to just use fog repellers for the alarm, deactivate the error then go back for it, no?

Isn’t there a second fog turbine in the next room anyways?

Like do 539 and 540 have fog turbines?

[uneven kiln]

Enter Zone 539. Locate the Fog Turbine inside to avoid further Infection.

This zone contains Chargers and will be completely filled with moderately dense Infectious Fog.
Almost every Locker/Box found in this Zone will contain a stack of Fog Repellers to make locating the Fog Turbine easier.

[vestal crest]

Yeah I know about 539

I feel like I remember seeing one in 540 as well but I was stressed so idk

Because if there is one in 540 it might be worth skipping the 539 one if it is bad spawn

540 has way less fog

[uneven kiln]

yeah 540 has a turbine as well

[vestal crest]

Sweet

I love options

[uneven kiln]

This marker spot is amazing too

directly after the alarm door

[vestal crest]

What am I looking at?

[uneven kiln]

the opposite side of the 539 alarm door

from behind which you can't normally see

[vestal crest]

Oh lmao

Imma try e1 again tonight, hopefully we get another charger error attempt

Thanks for the help

[uneven kiln]

you are welcome, likely isn't guaranteed to be there and will spawn elsewhere throughout 540 but you can get below the fog quickly, in the spot I am standing I can get below the fog just by crouching and going down like 1 step

gonna want a turbine for sure though coming down to this area either way of course

[vestal crest]

Yeah, but if we know the fog turbine is in the side room of 539, I’d rather explore 540 after the alarm where there is way less fog

[vestal crest]

I also think tanking a bit of infection isn’t too bad because of all the disinfect packs in 541

So skipping turbine and just using fog repellers for the charger class 4 doesn’t seem too bad, even if you spend a little time in the frog

[uneven kiln]

you can also just backtrack if you really want to for the disinf station

[vestal crest]

We considered that last time

But there are like 10 uses of disinfect in 541, plus a 2-3 use in the tank room (i don’t remember exactly how many it was )

One perk of having 1 bot

[atomic helm]

So I’m coming up on the 3rd rundown, and I wanted to ask, is there any tips you guys have for utilizing gear more efficiently? Like I found out you can save a bit of c-foam if you don full charge a door.

[mystic rock]

foam requires 9 blobs to fully foam a door

[ripe hamlet]

did you beat the entire rundown 2?

there is actually no impact on overfoaming

[mystic rock]

even if it doesn't play the animation and change of appearance of the door it is fully foamed at 9 blobs

[ripe hamlet]

they just stay stuck there

the only downside would be the enemies sometimes clipping through and eating foams

[mystic rock]

and you can shoot blobs at top of door to prevent them from getting eaten if that ever happens

[ripe hamlet]

which is kinda bs

[mystic rock]

for mines there's funny spots on small doors you can put on for a slightly better impact

[ripe hamlet]

if possibly you front face the small door for mine

[mystic rock]

sentries just depend, long line of sight for sniper sentry with bio playing around it to save ammo as it takes less ammo per shot if shooting at bio'd enemies, burst sentry can be put basically anywhere, hel auto should be put somewhere where it can see back of enemies and has a small line of sight because it can target enemies from really far away but will miss a lot with distance

shotgun sentry just shouldn't be used unless you need something to kill giants for some reason

[upbeat flame]

Wait WHAT

[mystic rock]

I guess gear is broad, I only took it as tools,

hel weapons can penetrate enemies but you shouldn't play a line every time, only in the right situations

[upbeat flame]

I always wondered why people said it takes 9 to fully foam but the door never changed to be fully green

That is so weird

[mystic rock]

another thing about foam, if you're perma foaming, throw a blob every hit on small doors and throw 2 blobs every 3 hits on big doors, big doors get 1.5 hit per blob of foam

[upbeat flame]

Oh so small doors break faster?

[mystic rock]

yeah basically

[upbeat flame]

Interesting, this is good info considering I’m the foam guy of the group

[ripe hamlet]

i didnt know this

[mystic rock]

idk what else to give as advices for just individual gears

it's like shotguns just work close range duh

I'd need to double check the small door vs big door on foam

but like I'm pretty sure it does work like that

but like I haven't checked in so long that I might be misremembering

[atomic helm]

Good to know that doors are fully foamed at 9 regardless of visuals

[mystic rock]

yeah, another thing is that foaming enemies is finicky

[atomic helm]

I’m planning on becoming the foamy one through my playthrough so any foam tips I’ll take

[ocean spindle]

start practicing ur stealth faster ✨
and uh gaming

[mystic rock]

if the blob of foam hits the blob of foam on the enemy then it doesn't count as a foam hit

you need to hit the body with foam blobs for it to count, if it hits other blobs then it doesn't count

unless you get a floating blob of foam then it can count as it isn't counted as touching the enemy and in the process of dissapearing

but that mostly happens on c nades and trippies

[atomic helm]

Am I able to ask question about lore in here?

[umbral gale]

Whats the mission success:fail ratio for the avg player

[ocean spindle]

chure

we'll answer spoiling everything
[jk]

[mystic rock]

numbers haven't been provided in a while about winrate

in og they used to be like .2% for the e tier

[umbral gale]

I just wanna know how much i suck :V

[atomic helm]

So I just wondered. Gameplay wise I get it but was there any lore reason for there not being any typical explosives like Grenades?

[mystic rock]

but now the most recent ones are like 4% for e tiers I think

[umbral gale]

I C

[upbeat flame]

I know this might be considered cheese and is definitely an exploit but you can foam ladders to stall enemies for a long ass time

[mystic rock]

it is counting every person playing though so yeah, counting challenge runs and new players but also highly experienced players

[umbral gale]

Uh destroys mining equipment ithink

[mystic rock]

so it's not really something to follow

yes foaming ladders is most definitely a cheese

devs tried to fix it with a silly fix of just allowing more enemies to use ladders but it just meant you use more foam

[atomic helm]

Yeah that makes more sense than I’d like to admit. Just thought a security force would have grenades y’know.

[mystic rock]

there is a mod to fix it that makes it so it ignores collision on ladder interaction so they don't get stuck on each other

the devs already thought that the mine deployer was a huge mistake so adding grenades was definitely out of the question

[upbeat flame]

Really? That’s interesting

I imagine this game would look quite different with the mine deployer, for most players anyways

[mystic rock]

mine deployer can be quite insane in the right levels

[ocean spindle]

warden is cheap and also it was a mineshaft

not a war zone

we have guns cuz there was security

and most of those were probs taken over when rapture

[mystic rock]

explosions are indeed very dangerous

[past mesa]

Clear rates are heavily weighted by players who run missions more than once

[mystic rock]

being underground, cave ins could occur

[ripe hamlet]

mine is pretty good

its like a compromise between sentry and cfoam

[mystic rock]

oh yeah and consumable tripmines are 30 damage whereas mine deployer is 50 dmg

pretty important sometimes

[ripe hamlet]

yeah thats pretty important

[ocean spindle]

only up to r8 rlly

unless u mine scouts

which like why

[ripe hamlet]

its for mining giants

[ocean spindle]

u dont either rlly :3

only 2 3 times

[ripe hamlet]

yeah its pretty niche

[uneven kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/poor-scout-gtfo-gif-5579442765134412140

[ocean spindle]

looks cool yes but why ksks

[upbeat flame]

it's not about efficiency, it's about sending a message

[umbral gale]

Tho i wonder why they use explosives instead of stuff like chemical weapons

[upbeat flame]

I mean idk the lore so I can't say, but from the logs I've seen I understand we are in a mining complex, why would there be chemical weapons in weapons in a mine shaft

[umbral gale]

Because there are freaky monsters down there :V

[upbeat flame]

true

[umbral gale]

Dont see why warden cant just requisition some mustard gas or smthn

[ripe hamlet]

same reason why we dont have nightvision goggle

[digital mural]

would mustard gas even work against sleepers?

[upbeat flame]

depends on their anatomy

if it's similar to human skin, then yes probably

[digital mural]

i doubt an interdimensional alien virus species would be affected or die by a funny gas

[upbeat flame]

yeah probably not, but if it's got DNA and lipids then it'll probably suffer damage from mustard gas

also interesting it's an alien species, I don't know much of the lore but I do understand they have found a virus of unknown origin

I'm trying to piece together what I have found from the logs

[umbral gale]

Even if theyre extraterrestrial, theyre still physical and abide by (semi)logical rules of biology

There should theoretically be a gas that affects them even if it isnt mustard gas

[umbral gale]

True

[digital mural]

i am talking about a virus that makes immortal monsters and every universe it touches it gets destroyed by said monsters/virus

[umbral gale]

Yeah but bullets and explosives kill them

Why cant corrosive chemicals?

[timber shoal]

i dont think there's a universe where enough research can be done on namv in time to get a weakness

[digital mural]

im sure that was one of the first things every species tried at some point

[timber shoal]

because like

[digital mural]

nam-v cant be stopped

[timber shoal]

it kills every universe it touches

[digital mural]

Goku if it was a virus

[upbeat flame]

oh so it's traveled around huh, interesting

[umbral gale]

Hmm fair point

[timber shoal]

yeah you could say that

[digital mural]

shall we go to #gtfo-lore ?

[upbeat flame]

oh there's a thing for that huh? I guess I didn't add it

[ripe hamlet]

sounds like nam v hasnt found plague inc universe yet

[upbeat flame]

I'll figure out what happened at some point thru playin

[ripe hamlet]

greenland will find the cure 3 days before extinction

[timber shoal]

the ever so humble genetic reshuffle

[upbeat flame]

huh I wonder if someone's made a custom map for the nam-V virus

[digital mural]

theres a lore for dummies doc in the pinned messages of #gtfo-lore
it covers the essentials of the gtfo universe

nothing too spoiler heavy

[ripe hamlet]

nam v too violent

[upbeat flame]

oh neat

[ripe hamlet]

greenland may close its port and airport before they could reach it

then its gg

[upbeat flame]

send zombie swimmers to greenland

[timber shoal]

nah its like the parasite

[upbeat flame]

you cannot hide

[timber shoal]

its got spore bursts

wait

[upbeat flame]

that's the fungus no?

[timber shoal]

fungus

im slow

:3

[digital mural]

hello Slow

[upbeat flame]

jit tweakin 🥀

[timber shoal]

its been a minute

which ability was parasite's

[digital mural]

havent played plague inc in a while

[upbeat flame]

I didn't know it had an ability

I thought it was just less severe

cuz the host thinks of it as a gift or sumn

[timber shoal]

each of the 7 have a ability

[upbeat flame]

idfk

maybe it's harder to first detect? like real life

[timber shoal]

parasite's ability reduces its severity

alr

[raven copper]

parasites need a host if im not mistaken

fungus kinda jus vibes on its own

[upbeat flame]

yeah that is true

[ocean spindle]

parasite is a song by set it off

✨

v cool

[raven copper]

w reference

[wicked vortex]

guys my friends and i joined a game but they cant see each other ingame they can see me but not eachother anyone know how to fix it

[thick stump]

that's kinda a dysync, making a new lobby might help or maybe switching host
@tiny wyvern do might know what the best solution is?

[tiny wyvern]

https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/1282208770079985666

There are steps there to follow, try those if you can

If nothing works see if mobile hotspotting works, if it does then it's related to your ISP

[light zinc]

Could someone explain how drop-in and drop-out work in GTFO? I’m new to the game, so I’m not sure if there’s any difference when a friend joins before the match starts or after it has already begun, or if they leave during the match and then come back.

[thick stump]

you friend can join you anytime and joins with 100% HP and 50%-60% ammo, it doesn't matter how long you already or in the mission, but if you friend leave and join back, the mission remembers their last % and they join with them back

your friend can also join in the last second of the mission and it would still count as completed for them

[light zinc]

thanks

[burnt inlet]

If they join mid match don’t have them plug cells (it’s a bug), additionally he won’t have a map of the explored parts

[light zinc]

Also, while we’re at it, what weapons do you consider best for dealing with charger alarms?

[fathom ice]

hel rifle

[tardy ingot]

15+ and 30 dmg breakpoints
if possible pin point
also penetration

so hel rifle
Also hel gun

But high cal and choke mod are ok aswell. Sawed off for main

[ocean spindle]

hel shotgun

✨

[ripe hamlet]

can you stagger a charger with just one shot

[light zinc]

So, in missions where the extraction point is the same as the players’ starting point, can someone simply join in the last second and extract without the group? Just join, hold out for a few seconds during the alarm and the security scan, and complete the mission for everyone else?🤦‍♂️

[mystic rock]

if you join mid game and weren't in the level on drop in then you will spawn on host's last recorded spot

otherwise yeah you could somewhat cheese some levels by having a person join, stay on extract scan position then rejoin when extract scan pops

[thick stump]

look at the message above this because Jade has explained it very well

[burnt inlet]

I love hel Gun sawed off into chargers🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤

[light zinc]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what exactly do you mean by “host’s last recorded spot”?
Does the game track the host’s position periodically even in missions without checkpoints, or are you talking about checkpoint locations?

[thick stump]

this means that the person who is joining, will spawn on the host's last recorded spot

[burnt inlet]

Bacisly they will spawn near or on host

[ocean spindle]

pf hel shottie yes p sure yes

[static kestrel]

if the truutthh is youuurr the crueeelesstt kinnddddd

then bleeeeeeddd me slooowwww

for anoootthhherrrrr nighhhtttt

[cloud ember]

the GTFO log tracker website seems to be down- does anyone know why?

[burnt inlet]

i couldnt find anything on the modding server, do you need to check logs rn?

[cloud ember]

Ideally, yes, but we're not in a huge rush

We're just log hunting

[thick stump]

use this mod

[cloud ember]

Is that on the Thunder thing mod launcher

[thick stump]

there gonna be an extra button where you can see all your logs and which logs you still need to get

[cloud ember]

I forget the name

[burnt inlet]

r2modman is better

[thick stump]

Thunderstore

[burnt inlet]

and if you dont want to mod your game i think i found something to check for logs that isnt a mod

[cloud ember]

I used to have the launcher but I uninstalled it a while ago

[cloud ember]

Yes?

[burnt inlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1189346025228488854/1195781828771053688/GTFO_Log_Tracker.7z?ex=6973b01c&is=69725e9c&hm=3e60176b5feeb7fb1ebc95e24006093c95608719c72b4c2d72f2f4d4b7f4d087&

[cloud ember]

Thanks!

[umbral gale]

Thoughts on bullpup

[dry vector]

its a gun

i like it

[supple coral]

gun feels great its pretty awful doe most guns are better than it

[umbral gale]

Hmm

[tiny wyvern]

It feels nice

It performs poorly in practise

[prime musk]

it is considered a bottom 2 main weapon

[tiny wyvern]

but it feels really nice to use

[umbral gale]

IC

[tiny wyvern]

What zed said
If you're actually trying to clear the game bullpup isn't an auto lose button

But it is going to shoot you in the foot with the subpar damage

You can use it
You can probably beat a lot of levels with it

[umbral gale]

Guess i'll use the normal rifle then...

[tiny wyvern]

Rifle or Assault Rifle?

[umbral gale]

Rifle

[tiny wyvern]

Rifle's a fine gun, not the best but it doesn't underperform much either

[supple coral]

really low recoil feels like a laser hits like a peashooter

[umbral gale]

Actually, whats the difference between rifle and assault rifle

Feel like they do almost the same thing

[prime musk]

rifle is an acceptable gun and assault rifle is considered a bottom 1 main weapon

[umbral gale]

I C

[tiny wyvern]

AR doesn't have damage

Like... at all

It used to be good, but powercreep

[supple coral]

rifle is a semi-automatic weapon keep that in mind

[tiny wyvern]

WEll, not good good, decently useful good

Now it's shit

[upbeat flame]

Is the burst rifle aight, it seems mediocre

I used it once and I was like this is a 2 pack of ass but perhaps I was too harsh

[supple coral]

2 burst to kill small guys gun feels great not enough damage doe

[umbral gale]

What even are the good guns :V

[supple coral]

hel revolver, hel autopistol, carbine, sawed-off shotgun

probably a few more those are my preferred doe

[upbeat flame]

Hel shotgun also very good

[supple coral]

pretty accurate love how scattergun and sawed off got there own bracket lmao

[upbeat flame]

LMAO crazy how not sawed off is a compliment still here

[tiny wyvern]

Essentially the F Ar and Not AR tiers are the worst options, you can try but they just aren't that good normally

Game's a matter of learning the maps and what guns do well against what enemies

Having good weapons helps solve the later problem

[supple coral]

yup thermal scope weapons for example are good for certain maps not the best doe just makes certain maps more easy

precision rifle needs to be a semi-auto always forget to let go the trigger at least once per run lol

[tardy ingot]

Actually. No not rly
Fun fact, AR got a buff before some other full auto mains and was still basically bottom tier

[tardy ingot]

just use it like one ngl

the full auto is just for „oh shit bbc in face“

Also the tierlists posted are too meme-y imo

like theres obviously still lots that is correct though

[tiny wyvern]

I thought it was usable?

[tardy ingot]

everything is..

the closest AR got to making people think of it as fine in the last 4 years was when it got the buff in OG R6

that was a bait

[tiny wyvern]

lol

[undone raven]

Can we demote rifle to not ar

[civic wave]

rifle is basically just pistol, so no

[undone raven]

Aww

Can we buff dmr to not hel shotgun

[civic wave]

now that sounds fun

[undone raven]

It feels like it has way less ammo

[hard nexus]

Hel shotgun below ar

[frail heart]

real

[raven copper]

:<

[neon gust]

Can a brother get an amen

[frail heart]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-druski-skit-pastor-mega-church-parody-gif-17057748318544591551

[prime ore]

https://tenor.com/view/unc-still-got-it-gif-6384030002593541773

[burnt inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-church-church-dance-praise-dance-praise-the-lord-gif-1611716737466968331

[tacit cedar]

got any tips for the charger role? it's a lot harder than I expected especially when the lights are out and/or pablo is pincering you between a charger wave

[tardy ingot]

Mmh
There is a rythm to the charger waves arriving. (There is inconsistency tho so gl lol). I basically try to be up front with pablo slowly coming in from the side while chargers arrive, so I can shoot them and fall back

Thats rly the one thing you want to be able to do. Have space to fall back, the reactor room works too as a last resort

[tacit cedar]

ye makes sense, in my practice runs I kept dying whenever a wave came in and I was already in the back with pablo

seems like you really have to set yourself up in the front for every new wave

[tardy ingot]

And with the light… well, it kinda sucks

I try to pick up an lrf in the bridge at some point as it can help sometimes

[tardy ingot]

Do your 8s
Get into a rythm

feel good when you arrive perfectly on time

[tacit cedar]

do they consistently go for either RWH or code hunters every time they leak? or is it just completely random

im assuming it's always just random cause of how enemy targeting works

[tardy ingot]

random

Its more important to cover wave holder tho

[fathom ice]

you have a free role in a quad

main 3 are
code hunt
reactor hold
charger hold

you can give your 4th person role of taking pablo so everyone is doing something

[tacit cedar]

we have the mine person going with code hunter like in WR but honestly yeah it would be a lot more helpful to have them in reactor

didn't even think about that

[tardy ingot]

tbf holding just pablo is… very eh

and also makes charger hold rly meh

If you do rly struggle with it its an options

The other option would be having a float. Who goes help everywhere necessary. Be it charger wave hold, reactor wave or code

[tacit cedar]

oh yeah is there any particular reason RWH takes foam and charger person takes sentry in the WR

and not the other way around

is it just cause RWH can fill foam to 100% more easily

[fathom ice]

foam can be on any slot

idt it's bad to come in reactor and eat tool after charger wave

[frail heart]

yeah

thats one reason

@little pilot idk if theres other reasons

[little pilot]

the person in the reactor defense has quite a bit of time to grab stuff from reactor and the defense corridor

which means u get to refill foam ALWAYS

on the other hand the charger person basically has faaaar less leeway

not only that but as the reactor defense person u might need to refill sentry too, having foam too means u get to say exactly how much goes into foam launcher and how much into sentry

[fathom ice]

are you allowed to shoot stuff behind flesh wall ?

[little pilot]

yes

[fathom ice]

oge

[tacit cedar]

oh yea true

[little pilot]

altho you only use it to get the mines on the big door rather than actually shoot

[fathom ice]

you can full shoot w2 there

[little pilot]

as the flyer wave is comically easy with hel rifle

nah there genuienly is no reason to

[fathom ice]

i was just curious

since u spend a bit less ammo doing so

[little pilot]

also generally wave 2 requires hel gun to properly get a clean flyer wave as the last 2 enemy spawns are actually quite dense

[frail heart]

the last 2 waves also spawn quite close to each other

its like one after the other quick

[burnt inlet]

I think you can mine door, they start breaking, you open door, mine explodes wave and you close and mine again

And then run away

Or smth like taht

[fathom ice]

yes people do it for w1

[burnt inlet]

Ye mixed up the waves mb

[agile vine]

Anyone knows a vid on yt about stealth killing every mob in gtfo? Tried finding one (if it even exists) but all I get only specific mobs and most of it is the loud way.

[frail heart]

no theres not something exactly like that but i would check out d4rkevas stealth guide

[agile vine]

And most of them are about giants too, which are hella easy to deal with anyway.

[agile vine]

I did, but it’s mechanics mostly. Not what I need.

[tardy ingot]

what would you wanna stealth kill that isnt available shown?

[agile vine]

But thanks for the advice.

[frail heart]

why do you need that tho

like what are you looking to do?

[agile vine]

Hybrids, shooters, already found charger scouts, chargers too.

[agile vine]

Just max stealth with bots.

[tardy ingot]

hybrids are rly just like giants (or rather chickens)
shooters are just headshot or back hit (depending on weapon)
c-scouts fair
chargers back hit

[agile vine]

Knife main.

Wait so hybrids same way as knifing giants?

[tardy ingot]

with bots. Just dont use knife vs those enemies

[agile vine]

Just snipe at the limbs and head?

[tardy ingot]

You can limb break their arms/legs yea

Occi does massive dmg

But wont break until its dead so can risk a scream

You can easily melee bait hybrids though

as they do far less dmg

[agile vine]

Melee bait I haven't matured for yet. XD

My problem is I am too used.to the knife, very hard to use everything else.

[tardy ingot]

well start to practice

[agile vine]

Naah, ya don't say. XD

But anyway, I assume there is no such vid on yt?

[tardy ingot]

not rly
most of these just use the enemy and stealth mechanics

[agile vine]

Then hammer it is then. (

[tardy ingot]

the exception being stuff like charger scouts or bosses that need multiple people to stealth without consumables

[agile vine]

Yeah, charger scout soloing is either loud, or cfoam for stealth.

Although bots do help(sometimes).

[minor fractal]

Move Pablo as slowly as possible (without giving up vision of the bridge) when he's out of the way of the front but quickly while he's there. You want to either be by the front or ready to jump the railing (delay until Pablo is about to be able to tongue) when charger wave arrives.

You can shoot charger wave from both upstairs and downstairs, you just need to be ready so that chargers never get the chance to reach the stairs. The hold is much more chaotic when chargers are on your sides or behind you.

Pablo's movement helps you here, he runs faster when you're far enough away which lets you move him out of an area if you don't want him to be there.

If you record your PoV it might be possible to identify if you could make different decisions or not.

[oblique shale]

for that stage with Pablo we just took him to one of the other rooms and C-foamed him in

then just walked him around a glass cabinet cuz that seems to just make him stand still

[minor fractal]

This is for Brazil skip

Pablo kiter is ideally holding the charger wave to compress roles and give other players more freedom to maneuver.

And this goes on for many minutes, so trapping him isn't really an option.

[minor fractal]

Oh, and you do have the option to play a longer figure 8 kiting path where you fully cross the bridge back and forth. There are pros and cons there, the main con being Pablo can get charger push on the bridge.

[tacit cedar]

thanks for the tips! I've been using the full figure 8 path just for that one line down the tunnel but I'll see how staying in the back goes. will try to record a pov later today

would you recommend switching main if I'm still struggling? was thinking about trying hel revo instead of sawed off since I'm struggling to land sawed off kills without getting licked

[minor fractal]

HEL Revo is okay, but you just shoot for two-taps usually.

[tardy ingot]

so, even in speedruns you can often just get 2 shot kills with sawed off and it doesnt matter too much
since you arent speeding you should have noteably more ammo available as charger holder, so whenver you arent hel rifling (need to ammo balance, out of mag or under pressure) taking 2 shots is completely fine

[minor fractal]

You mostly lose out on sawed off elsewhere in the run where it's really good/flexible

And since HEL Revo lines aren't as consistent as HEL Rifle, it's about the same kills per mag that also takes longer.

[tardy ingot]

sawed off is also the only weapon that can get your out of a bad charger - pablo spot somewhat safely

(say when you are getting wave into you around a stair case-corner and pablo is right behind. You want to push into them, but not die)

[tacit cedar]

ye makes sense, will prob stay on sawed off then and just go for the 2 taps more often

it is really nice to have for the respawn zones

[upbeat flame]

What weapons can you reload cancel? I feel like I have to do the full reload with the hel rifle and the sawed off reload is so short it doesn’t matter but I would like to know

[tardy ingot]

theres info about it on the wiki iirc

[ocean spindle]

[[Reload Cancel]]

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Reload_Cancel?action=edit&redlink=1

[ocean spindle]

dammit

idk how was the page called but it is on the wiki

[tardy ingot]

the big noteable ones are things like:
hel revo, dmr for mains
shotgun, revo for specials

but theres a lot of others that have good ones

[ocean spindle]

[[Reload]]

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Reload

[ocean spindle]

about every single gun can be reload canceled except bullpup

just the difference is how big is the gap

[upbeat flame]

Oh that’s good to know, didnt realize there was a wiki page

Also I didn’t realize you were supposed to be pressing the shove key to reload cancel so I’ve just been doing it wrong

[ocean spindle]

u dont need to but its just the fastest to keep shootin with the same gun
u can also swap guns to shoot one while reload canceling the other

[upbeat flame]

Oh yeah that’s kind of what I’ve been doing

Yeah seems like I’m getting no cancel value on the sawed off but maybe it the hel rifle tho

[ocean spindle]

hel rifle has insane reload cancel yeh

[upbeat flame]

Yeah I dunno I been doing it wrong or sumn

[ocean spindle]

ksks
u can oractice in any level
drop down, shoot once and as soon as the hel rifles mag goes in, C

u dont have to try to do it fast as u practice

get the hang on how ur fingers should move when doing it

[upbeat flame]

Yeah now I gotta go figure out what I rebound my shove button too

Cuz I use c for crouch

[tacit cedar]

here's 2 clips of me messing up and almost dying during practice

pablo licking downwards through the balcony like this has also been a bit problematic sometimes

[upbeat flame]

really surprised you lived in that second clip

[tacit cedar]

yeah I def could've played it a bit better but it's hard to keep track of chargers slipping by like that when going up the stairs

[tardy ingot]

This is why im not a fan of being on that side of the bridge with chargers coming in

only thing worse is you with pablo on bridge with chargers front coming in

1 thing is def trying to be as aware as possible where chargers are

But aside from some shenanigans they are pretty consistent for the time they take so you can get a rythm for moving pablo, moving up, shooting while falling back and repeat

well. You might get some weird waves where its stretched out into smaller groups sometimes. But those are less dangerous and more an alertness check

[uneven kiln]

that doesn't look like it's down through the balcony, I think pablo is just tall enough to barely get an angle on you if he walks to that ledge

tongue through floors is something I mostly see when you have high ground and enemies have low ground and they find some sliver to do so

[tardy ingot]

Oh also dont forget that falling back into reactor is valid. It gives you cover from pablo and a straight sight line for chargers

[minor fractal]

First clip, I would be maybe be hugging right side upstairs to slow Pablo

Second maybe jumping down too early?

It's a good clutch, though.

Slight FoV diff

[calm pulsar]

Host shenanigans

[past mesa]

sometimes there is also plays to uses more space

i think most of the time it is bad

but going down is also bad

[vestal crest]

is it worth bringing in c-foam launcher for the last scan of r5e1?

my group keeps getting there, but we have died there 4 times now

[keen seal]

you can get value on other alarms and it is worth on the last one as well

[vestal crest]

we have c-foam grenades that help a lot, but it breaks down during the first scan usually

on the last attempt we almost re-foamed it but we missed the shot

it also didnt help that the bishop bot downed 2 of us on the 3rd scan

[keen seal]

I mean yeah you can try and time it so that you get alarm pull right after killing a giant error wave

also snatcher spawn isn't tied to the alarm

[vestal crest]

yeah we do snatcher ahead of time

[keen seal]

you can just look at the door and it'll spawn in

ok good

[vestal crest]

its just the 3rd and 4th scans we get overwelmed

[keen seal]

I mean yeah at that point I think it's just a matter of shooting good enough

[vestal crest]

having a bot that doesnt kill a lot doenst help

idk if you know bots well but is hel revo and burst cannon good for him?

the FF seems really bad, but other weapons make it hard for him to really participate

[keen seal]

eyah pretty sure at least burst cannon is good on bots

[prime musk]

with a correct foam setup your door shouldn't break until you have finished 3rd scan

[vestal crest]

is that with a launcher?

[prime musk]

it is with a launcher yes, but in theory there is nothing preventing it being done with nades

[vestal crest]

3 nades?

1 to start, one after the 1st scan and one after/during the second?

[prime musk]

no refoaming of anything

[vestal crest]

how?

they always get there too quick

[prime musk]

https://youtu.be/93dC7D5lBmE shameless plug

[prime musk]

you get your error waves outside spawning far
and then just foam doors and send it and you're good

[vestal crest]

do you wait in zone a for a outsside spawn then just foam every door to the scan?

[prime musk]

split with your team 2 in alarm room and 2 in B or the zone

[vestal crest]

that way bigs and smalls fight over doors?

[prime musk]

when your error wave spawns in alarm room, you have your team in B foam all the doors between B and alarm room and then you go

alternatively you can do the long kite and deactivate the alarm using starting zone term but that's a bit cheesy

[vestal crest]

fair lol

so you wait for a spawn in alarm room?

[prime musk]

when you split up your team so that there is a full room distance between you (exactly) then the waves can spawn in the same room as your team

[vestal crest]

yeah

[prime musk]

so when it spawns in alarm room, you can have the people in B foam all the doors while the people in alarm room deal with the wave

[vestal crest]

ahhh

[prime musk]

that way you don't have to deal with wave and THEN foam the doors, eating time before next wave

[vestal crest]

so do giants break down c-foam faster?

[prime musk]

no

the only enemy that breaks doors faster is snatcher

[vestal crest]

im confused because our door breaks much quicker on our attemots

in your video it looks like they stall for a very long time

[prime musk]

im getting split hits on the small doors which is a bit lucky

[timber shoal]

do snatchers also break doors faster or is that a myth

[prime musk]

door breaking is a global cooldown in this game

[vestal crest]

yeah

still with c-foam on the door it broke during the second scan

[prime musk]

so i have them hitting both the small doors to room before alarm room at same time making it take 2x as long for them to break them

[vestal crest]

doing the last 2 that way doesnt seem possible at our skill level

[prime musk]

they have their own doorhit cooldown

[vestal crest]

does c-foam launcher add more foam to a door than a grenade?

[prime musk]

nop

same amount

foam behaviour is slightly hardware dependent but realistically on close doorhits it should not matter

[prime musk]

if your foam IS breaking during your second scan you are just like starting your scan at a very bad timing

[vestal crest]

early?

[prime musk]

early or late is subjective but it's incorrect

if there are awake enemies sending it to your door to break it you are starting at an incorrect timing

[vestal crest]

i just watched the clip and there was 8 seconds between pulling and all in the scan

we killed everything right beforte pulling

so there wasnt an issue there

we also had a person run up and try to refoam (missed), so that also hurts but on our attempts that we didnt even try it still broke around the same time

[prime musk]

only 2 seconds between scan actually dropping and me stepping into scan

[vestal crest]

yeah that will help lol

[prime musk]

yeah it's 6 seconds

difference

from what you said

do you know how long an S scan is in a full team setting

[vestal crest]

not exacly

[prime musk]

it is 10 seconds

[vestal crest]

sounds right

that would get us to the third scan

[prime musk]

ye and once third scan is cleared you are home free because with proper prep during 2nd and 3rd scan you should have like 80% foam on the floor in front of your 4th scan

and like a sentry down to help you as well

and the big door mined so that all your enemies have to respawn and run back to the room

[vestal crest]

ok we will try c-foam next time

[prime musk]

it is really strong

foaming door from A for 1st alarm is very good for consistency
and given correct spawns you get to foam the class 3 alarm(s) during first error as well

and the charger alarm later

etc

[vestal crest]

ah

[prime musk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii5H382KVSQ another shameless plug of a MUCH worse doorbreak timing on the same alarm, with a worse setup for it where we still clear because you just have to shoot out the one scan and you're fine

[vestal crest]

ah

especially having foam on the ground seems nice

stall just a little longer ocne the mine goes off

[prime musk]

it's important to note that you actually want to NOT shoot the foamed enemies

[vestal crest]

plus you can do it during the downtime of scan 2

bishop will tho

[prime musk]

they are foamed for 8 seconds, which is almost the entire scan

[vestal crest]

thats insane

other than bishop that seems like it would amazing

bishop should hurt too bad tho

[prime musk]

effectively they are just blocking other enemies from progressing and getting forwards

[vestal crest]

yup

[prime musk]

listen just 1 bot doesn't shoot enough to affect it a lot

[vestal crest]

figured

[prime musk]

if you have the option (due to finding it) having a ctrip on the door instead of a etrip from mine deployer is actually preferable

[vestal crest]

if we can get to scan 4 without already being overwhelmed i can see it being much easier

[prime musk]

if you can finish the 3rd scan

[vestal crest]

yeah the 3rd has been a choke point

[prime musk]

you should run forwards and take the stairs in front to the 4th scan

because otherwise you will have enemies follow you down the ladders

[vestal crest]

our only 4th attempt died because we were overwelmed from ladders

oh shit thats so smart

[prime musk]

it depends a bit
if you full kill your surge wave on your 3rd scan because the enemies break door THAT early it's whatever

but otherwise you want to lead your enemies back down the stairs so that they don't harass you from the ladders

[vestal crest]

yeah

if we are at least in the 3rd scan when the mine goes off i think we will be fine

[prime musk]

if you get lucky, your entire first surge wave (that breaks your big door) will spawn from the SAME small door

and then, when you kill that using the mine on the door, the next wave spawns behind the other small door

also when your surge scans are done obv you just send 1 to open sec door and get deactivation of alarms asap while rest hold off wave

[vestal crest]

yeah

[prime musk]

if you have door up after scan 2, it is USUALLY possible to save it and keep it foamed from scan 3 and all the way until scan 4 drops (it is not reachable from scan 4 though)

so during scan 2 you want to save just a bit of foam for door in case you get to save it

[vestal crest]

ah

noted

so is it worth potentially forcing a spawn outside the zone so giants fight on one foamed door while strikers fight for the big door?

idk if my team has quite the coordination to pull of spawning a wave in the alarm room

[prime musk]

if you can be in area A and have your giants spawn outside

[vestal crest]

stress goes crazy

[prime musk]

then foam all the doors (a to b and b to d and d to alarm room)

you will be set

[vestal crest]

ignore the north doors?

just south ones?

[prime musk]

the north door is prefoamed already

well it should be

[vestal crest]

ah

that would help

we were playing around having just 2 cfoam nades

because we wanted 1 person to have lock melters (we lost a run to hack locks)

[prime musk]

just getting to foam 2 doors with no floor foam is rough

[vestal crest]

floor foam i think might be all we need

[prime musk]

getting to foam every door + cconsumables (ctrips are MASSIVE value here) + floorfoam from launcher makes the alarm close to free

[vestal crest]

welp now I gotta do the hardest part

convincing friends to sit down for 2.5 hours on this level lol

then get back to the surge

[prime musk]

well

if everything else fails

you just gotta go long to starting zone

[vestal crest]

yeah i dont really want to cheese if i dont have to

[prime musk]

valid

[vestal crest]

thanks for the advice

the more i think about it i think c-foam might even make the earlier parts of the level easier

like the class 3 full team

thats a choke point for us

its really just doing attempts at the first error until we pass it, then seing if we get lucky with the last scan

i just realized is it not even worth putting a turret on the last scan so that foamed enemies dont die?

[prime musk]

you want to put it inside of the alarm room

between the door and the foam

so that enemies that make it past the turret get stuck in the foam

and your team just have to clean up the few that makes it past both

[vestal crest]

oh right because ground foam is further into the room gotcha

[prime musk]

this one foam is very strong on, but it is most effective here if you

1. prefoam the "back" door there before starting your error
2. open your "front" door there before starting your surge so that you're guaranteed to have that door when you come back

[vestal crest]

yeah thats what we already do minus the foam

[prime musk]

you are not guaranteed to get scans you can permafoam the door with, but you should realistically get 2 scans for free if you just enter with cell and greed foam on the door (espescially if you're willing to step off to refoam a few times)

[vestal crest]

we prep the back door after the surge

yeah idk why 2 turrets was recommended to me cfoam seems like a much better option

[prime musk]

2 turrets is acceptable but like

foam is just the strongest tool in the game

[vestal crest]

maybe it was recommended because cfoam is conditionally better?

like you have to know what to do with it

[prime musk]

2 turrets is easy to use

[vestal crest]

ye

[prime musk]

foam requires more intentional setup to get value out of

[vestal crest]

ill have fun relearning the level with cfoam

i cant imagine its much different, other than the surge, full team, sustain surge and the one charger alarm

[prime musk]

the class 3 to cell zone during first error can also be permafoamed if your alarm wave spaws in either area C or area D of that zone

[vestal crest]

true

that would help so much with ammo lol

[prime musk]

you could also learn chill strat or superchill strat if your team is comfy playing scattergun into mom

but they're both kinda scary if you're not experiencedso

[vestal crest]

chill strat?

[prime musk]

it's a strat name for where you

open your mom zone

and wake the entire room

[vestal crest]

bruh lol

[prime musk]

and use it as your spawncap to foam the class 3

[vestal crest]

id rather stealth

oh

gotcha

[prime musk]

then use triple mine on door to kill all the babies and giants, and your 2 scatter players kill the 2 moms

[vestal crest]

yeah ill take a class 3 over that tbh

im sure we could do it, but it seems like mroe work

[prime musk]

ye i wouldn't recommend it if you don't feel comfy with your mom kills and foam

[vestal crest]

we are alright at mom kills

[prime musk]

in my mind you are always killing both mom and tank zone in that level so i just never even thought about the fact your team might stealth it

[vestal crest]

lmao

yeah we just stealth it

maybe we will try cellskip or chillstrat after we have a completion

we only really wake tank if scout is in the same room

[prime musk]

chillstrat is a strat devved for cell skip specifically

[vestal crest]

yeah i figured

[prime musk]

with foam you don't have to because you can foam the scout !!

[vestal crest]

yup

still usually the scout is near a bunch of big chargers

if he is first room he is pretty easy to stealth by

the second room we just shoot

but yeah if scout and tank are second room we could totally just c-foam and do the stealth scan intended

[prime musk]

if your tank and scout are in same room there usually isn't much else there so it should be fine

[vestal crest]

yeah

im worried about tank and scout first room

ignore that

we have gotten just scout first room twice now and its not too bad

[prime musk]

you can probably force left side every time

im not sure you're doing it but if you have scout A you can (read: should) wait with opening sec door until your scout is in the correct position for the path you intend to take

(since it doesn't extend but just keeps walking until you open the door)

[vestal crest]

Yup that’s what we do

We went right once just because of better spawns

Is it possible to foam a scout, but not kill it and keep stealth?

[prime musk]

everything that would normall trigger a scout will still trigger it when it is foamed, it just won't trigger until it gets unfoamed

(exception being gunshots)

[vestal crest]

So red tendrils = kill

[prime musk]

ye

unless you get a he forgor moment but those are kinda rare

and not something to be relied upon

[vestal crest]

Ye

I’ve seen that once

With doors closing on tendrils

[prime musk]

that's a different thing

your scout is just going into stasis because you're unloading the room there

it will still instatrigger when door finishes opening

[vestal crest]

I think I’ve had him forget with that though

[prime musk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1417295267245588533/1425609855812505682/he_forgor.mp4?ex=697546a4&is=6973f524&hm=24cc6500565393735df0134e0dbe386870ec16bfda23218441d986ed84723b21&

[vestal crest]

Like he triggers, door closes so nothing happens, then when door opens again he’s chill

[keen seal]

banger clip

[vestal crest]

Lmao

[prime musk]

i don't think that can happen

[vestal crest]

Hmm I’m probably misremembering then

[prime musk]

if your scout touches through door you have to kill/foam during door open or he will trigger

or well not open any doors to the room he is in

but that might not be a reasonable solution in most cases

[prime musk]

yeah it's so good

[topaz python]

I am attempting R2E1. Any final advice before we decend into hell?

[upbeat flame]

good luck

[burnt inlet]

First alarm you want to waste as little ammo as possible if you can

[upbeat flame]

but aside the obvious loadout choices, try to conserve as much as possible for the later part fo the level

like how much do you know about r2e1, because I don't want to spoil anything

[burnt inlet]

Pick hel auto sentry and two bursts ngl

[upbeat flame]

I want to do 2e1 with that loadout, our team did it with mines foam burst but I am interested in trip sentries

[burnt inlet]

Ladderfoam?

[upbeat flame]

nah I floor foamed the class 4

with sentry backshots

and then quite a bit of foat was used for the last part, conserving doors and what not

[topaz python]

I know a decent amount. I’ve been trying to prepare for it

[burnt inlet]

Have someone run scatter for bigs prolly, then it’s just learning how to handle surges

[upbeat flame]

yeah we like 2 hel shotguns, 2 sawed offs

for the surges

[topaz python]

I’m scared for the constant alarms

[upbeat flame]

oh good so you do know about that part

I'll just say, don't go too fast

that part kinda of feels rng with the spawns, but move at like a medium pace, you ideally want to preserve doors before some nasty alarms

planning out a route beforehand felt like 50% of the battle for us

[topaz python]

Will do

That part is the scariest

I did Bianhua and it made my heart actually explode

[burnt inlet]

I meeaaaan that’s ending though?

[upbeat flame]

also it was useful for us to take at least lock melters into the error, so you can open up the hack doors quick

I also took a bat into 2e1 so I could open up smash locks really fast, but that's completely unnecesarry

[topaz python]

Makes sense

[upbeat flame]

wdym that's ending?

[topaz python]

I usually run sledge hammer

[upbeat flame]

yeah sledge will be more than enough

[topaz python]

How’s the fog in this one?

[upbeat flame]

bad

[topaz python]

Oh joy

[upbeat flame]

you will find a turbine somewhere and you are going to hug it for like 60% of the level

[topaz python]

Oh joy

[timber shoal]

ending is actually fun

[topaz python]

I have a booster for 59% less fog infection

It’s not terrible

[timber shoal]

rest of the level is uhhhh

[burnt inlet]

🥀

[timber shoal]

well if theres a level to use it in

[burnt inlet]

Yea

[topaz python]

Is less fog bad?

I like that booster typically

[burnt inlet]

No I just don’t like boosters 😔

[topaz python]

What

[burnt inlet]

Specially ones that are high stat

[timber shoal]

vroski dissing my glowstick boosters

[upbeat flame]

I'm jus gonna do this cuz I'm lazy

[topaz python]

You’re insane. (Respectfully)

[burnt inlet]

Takes away from the game more than it gives

[burnt inlet]

Too op

[timber shoal]

nah i havent first cleared a single level with boosters

very manageable

[burnt inlet]

You can make booster builds that removes any infection from the game

[topaz python]

This will be my first E so I am A okay to use em.

[timber shoal]

understandable

[topaz python]

I wish

[timber shoal]

this is also the least fun e tier imo

[burnt inlet]

Removes an entire core function from the game in my mind

But I just personally don’t use em

Don’t care much if others do

[topaz python]

I’m doing main damage, fog resist, and C foam buffs I figure that will be helpful to avoid killing as much of the surge as possible

[burnt inlet]

Even ||R8E1|| is better

[upbeat flame]

r2e1 is very manageable with infection actually, you'll mostly get none if you are together and there's a lot of disinfect in the level

[burnt inlet]

Why cfoam 😔 it’s not that great for R2E1

[timber shoal]

i dont get the hate for e1 tbh, its giga easy but like

its not a bad level

[burnt inlet]

Yea I find it enjoyable