like it is RIGHT THERE
#gtfo-related-questions
prime musk
prime musk
and if you ever have the surge timer time out in spawn the wave spawns there like 80% of the time
prime musk
we never GO THAT WAY
this is why starting zone should have a 2 ammo
so that you are actually incentivised to explore it
and so that the speeds (in all formats) becomes way more manageable
uneven kiln
1-2 uses of ammo in there would be nice and I don't think it would throw the rest of the level too off balance
prime musk
the extra ammo changes nothing when playing for clear but makes any other type of run so much more fine (by that i mean less rng dependent, not easier)
uneven kiln
the softlocking barrels in Z496A are the same as R5E1 Z544
I guess I need to check R8E1 too
prime musk
the softlocking barrels in Z496A are the same as R5E1 Z544
err 496 is which zone in e2
shadow zone?
uneven kiln
err 496 is which zone in e2
KDS Deep hallway with the effectively infinite res after Sec
uneven kiln
R8E1 does NOT have the softlocks
the left side has a shuttlebox (R5E1 will need to be changed to reflect this) and the right side doesn't get you softlocked
uneven kiln
I really, really want R8E1 to be real
prime musk
it should be about fighting but it is made to be about running away and foaming shit
like e1 should just be the hardest shooting check in the game
and then e2 is the everything check
uneven kiln
it should be about fighting but it is made to be about running away and foaming ...
In the existing format, the way they line up unfortunately does make sense for how short R8E1 is, by that time in R8E2 they are doing the 2nd NM6/Shadow 6/starting Kraken fight approximately
prime musk
no it doesn't make sense?
like the e2 team is just in kds way way way after the e1 team is dead
uneven kiln
The E1 team is still alive, they hand over their datacubes, E2 team initiates a matter wave jump and E1 team is then allowed inside KDS which is now destroyed
prime musk
yeah but for the e2 team to request the datacubes they need to be there at same time as e1 team is just outside
and e1 team is dead in kds after 20 minutes
while e2 team is mid reactor after 20 minutes
uneven kiln
what I mean is, E1 cage drops while E2 team is already WAY into their section, yeah
they both reach the doors to KDS Deep at roughly the same time
prime musk
yeah that's how it has to line up
but both missions start with a 1 min timer
that i would like to be started at same time
for things to be properly lined up
like in e1 enemy spawns start when timer runs out
and in e2 they start when timer runs out
and e2 has a better section where they can use terminals to keep the (actually very hard to defend) waves out
it just makes so much sense and e1 just throws it away by being short and boring
uneven kiln
for a real E1 I'd like it to exactly line up yeah
prime musk
e1 except you make every section match the times you grab in e2
wherre you move up a zone and get more res and a change in the wave + some new side objective to accomplish while defending
it really feels so self explanatory when you have e2 to structure e1 around
but i suppose e2 was finished last in dev so they never got chance to do that
dreamy socket
Wouldn't it just be that E1 team starts well and truly later, and E2 team just remembered where they are or smthn
uneven kiln
yes R8E1 starts when R8E2 is already like 80% done
the E2 team can hear the E1 team but not vice versa
prime musk
that makes sense regardless
because the e1 team is just SO far away
like have you looked at how big the e1 map is
compared to like literally anything else
dreamy socket
compared to like literally anything else
Unfortunately.
Only one my laptop truly struggles to play ;-;
uneven kiln
by that point, the E2 team has no reason to fire their guns anymore until initiating the matter wave jump, and E1 team is under constant onslaught so they don't hear E2 Team firing their guns from inside the translocation chamber
dreamy socket
So E2 team has a big advantage both time wise and in intel
uneven kiln
like that part of the level is fine, aside the continuity error of the shuttleboxes not being present in a uniform manner across R5E1/R8E1/R8E2
To fix the continuity error, you have to use R8E1's iteration, it's the correct one
prime musk
eh
the shuttleboxes aren't an issue
like you are entering kds at differing depths in all of those
dreamy socket
To fix the continuity error, you have to use R8E1's iteration, it's the correct ...
Didn't know that, interesting
prime musk
so it's just never the same location
uneven kiln
no like what I mean is we know it's the same elevation in R8E1 because they enter and see the destroyed translocation chamber directly across
prime musk
well they enter above where the e2 team enter
is it the shuttlebox you grab from in e2 that's missing in e1 or like
uneven kiln
yeah about 20 meters above where E2 enters
prime musk
also i want to note that there are like
quite a few tiles that are unique to 8e1
stuff like 516A
517A
518A
518B
522A and B (same as 524 A and B)
erm ghostly the shuttlebox in e1 is right there
like idk where is it supposed to be if not there
the recording thingy is missing ig
uneven kiln
is it the shuttlebox you grab from in e2 that's missing in e1 or like
R5E1 is missing shuttleboxes in its entirety both inside and outside KDS Deep door, R8E1 has the shuttleboxes both correct, all three levels have differing door text with R8E2 completely missing it but R5E1 and R8E1 possessing it on the interior side of the door, and R8E1 and R8E2 the door is reversed rather than showing the correct orientation
prime musk
e1 and e2 have to match but 5e being different doesn't matter
prime musk
R5E1 is missing shuttleboxes in its entirety both inside and outside KDS Deep do...
mire the sec door texture is just one sided because in normal gameplay you never see the back side
it's pretty obvious (to me) that it's implied to look the same from both directions
uneven kiln
I agree until you look at the porthole windows orientation, same thing happens in R8A1/R8A2/R8D2
uneven kiln
it's on the wrong side of the door for it to look the same from both directions
prime musk
yes that is just because they rotated the asset to be correct direction
rather than mirroring it
uneven kiln
yep
I want to mirror it
like I get what they are going for and you don't even notice any of this in gameplay very much
this is me being extremely particular about details
dont even get me started on being able to see through R8C1 into the supposed R8C2 side and it's the wrong tile being used
Same thing happens in R8A2 and R8D2
prime musk
no lots of these are big tiles
it\s clear that they\re are derivative of other tiles but they aren\t marker rerolls, they are their own tiles
actually 516A might not be a marker reroll im unsure
but im pretty sure it isn\t the same tile as that one tile in z11 r3c1 or z39(?) (first north zone) in r1b1
uneven kiln
516A is mining_storage_HA_06_AW
huh I dont even see that one in the all geomorphs document
prime musk
how to know a tile isn't used anywhere else:
uneven kiln
is this not the same as R7C3 room with the Ovl bulkhead?
prime musk
like the dc?
uneven kiln
no like the actual Ovl Bulkhead room right before entering Ovl
uneven kiln
that one might be the non-AW variant
prime musk
fathom ice
pub
uneven kiln
517A is mining_storage_SF_AW which I also don't see listed in the geomorph doc
prime musk
unless the wall structures are part of marker rerolls, they are different tiles
next to big door in e1 there is like
a big rock on the wall
in 7c3 it doesn\t exist
and in e1 room is also not a rectangle (there is an indent in a corner) that is not present in 7c3
uneven kiln
518A/B is mining_storage_I_HA_AW, also not currently listed
uneven kiln
and in e1 room is also not a rectangle (there is an indent in a corner) that is ...
gotcha
uneven kiln
522A/B is mining_refinery_I_HA_02_AW, also not listed currently
All of the non-AW variants are listed and they are throughout R4/R5/R6 mostly
uneven kiln
R7B3 is all Service (Floodways)
prime musk
oh yeah mb
so it's 3/10
like there are just SO many tiles it's not surprising that some are missing from some rundowns
uneven kiln
there's a bunch of unused tiles as well
some unfinished/early drafts others from pre-release
prime musk
man the more i think about it the more i REALLY REALLY REALLY want the mod i theorised earlier
where the levelgen seed stops being set
and you get a full new map every time you drop in at random
it just has a bunch of issues that makes devving it very very hard unfortunately (namely that the levelgen sometimes just failes for some seeds)
uneven kiln
I can tell you there is an alternate version of the Server Farm tile seen in R8C1 where the windows/closed doors are in the current version are not there and subsequently a lot more space to kite around is there
uneven kiln
it just has a bunch of issues that makes devving it very very hard unfortunately...
closest thing to this is autogen if you've ever played that
prime musk
nah it's probably gtfo randomiser
like it does just randomise the levelgen seed
at the cost of not having any detection or prevention of generating a broken level
(not mentioning it ALSO randomises 23q9120120 other things but that's just because it's funny)
uneven kiln
knowing what I do now there is surely going to be some wacky culling issues if the level is broken
prime musk
i haven't really looked into it
but it's A LOT more prevalent in levels that have specific large tiles, such as 6d1
we were playing it in gtfo randomiser but the levelgen seed we rolled wanted to plop the portal room in a location where there was just not space for it to generate (it would have overlapped with a bunch of other rooms)
seeing that we just hit reset because we couldn't clear because of lack of portal room
but in hindsight it'd probably have taken a note of the levelgenseed to check further
i would imagine a more standard level such as r1a1 or r2b3 would almost never fail to gen in a functional state
uneven kiln
typically what level creators do to avoid that is set the plug height to go up or down in respect to other rooms so you don't get invis walled out of them
sturdy glen
at the cost of not having any detection or prevention of generating a broken lev...
it has detection but not prevention
uneven kiln
Oh, I see
prime musk
it has detection but not prevention
is there any way to get the detection to tell the player before they start playing that it isn't going to fucking work
or is it just a leftover from devving
sturdy glen
mod is unfinished
sturdy glen
or is it just a leftover from devving
wdym
prime musk
sometimes when you code stuff you just have like
systems in place for telling you when stuff you're troubleshooting is happening
that you aren't intending to actually show to the player
sturdy glen
yeah its just like
half there
the mod isnt broken when the level fails to gen
it gets stuck perma loading because the mod detects the gen is broken and tries a slightly different seed
but something is fundamentally broken in the levels generation that causes it to never be able to gen a level
prime musk
we were playing it in gtfo randomiser but the levelgen seed we rolled wanted to ...
how did this occur then
given we were able to drop into and start clearing
prime musk
chill you were in the lobby
we just didn't open the door and reset because it wasn't clearable we deducted
or at least, thought
sturdy glen
I have 0 memory of this
prime musk
idk we had like 2 or 3 days where we were playing gtfo randomiser stuff
probably isn't something you remember because it wasn't noteworthy but it was my first exposure to gtfo randomiser so
i remember it pretty clearly
sturdy glen
sounds about right
idk gtfr was also pre r8
so imagine some special protections didnt make it in there
prime musk
r8 just changed so much so
sturdy glen
but yeah point is there was attempts made and more can definitely be fixed
everyone just quit the game
xd
and mod creation sucks when you like playing the game
prime musk
tbf devving of gtfr stopped a lot before ppl quit
but ye
why mod the game when you can play it instead
prime musk
just dropping into some levels and seeing what it gives (tile wise) it loves reducing entire zones to just singular rooms
and im not sure why
sturdy glen
it does like geomorphs a little too much
iirc zone size weighting was also logarithmic or something like that?
sturdy glen
damn thats ALL geomorphs
sturdy glen
it also likes reactor tiles way too much specifically
prime musk
and i\ve dropped like 5 times
sturdy glen
are you using public vers or the other one
prime musk
public
prime musk
can you drop me a zip with the non public ver
sturdy glen
lemme find it
frail heart
Yeah I smuggle one extra in my run
Isnt needed tho
But I always want one for pmom
Cause it makes it 100% consistent
prime musk
But I always want one for pmom
i labbed a sentry setup where sentry consistently gets at least 4 shots on pmom while you tab out and afk
which makes pmom very very consistent as well
hoary mason
Not surprising 
Prob if I scour through my replays I can find 3-4 of them
atomic helm
Are there any fun and effective gun combos you guys could recommend to me? I know it’s mostly opinion based but I’m trying to find more gun combos I’ll like.
tiny wyvern
slug choke
timber shoal
slug high cal
tiny wyvern
machine pis with burst cannon
atomic helm
hel revo/revo is entertaining
Hel revo/revo does seem pretty fun and funny
timber shoal
machine piss scatter is one of my favorite loadouts
timber shoal
machine pistol overall is a fun weapon
atomic helm
I’ll have to try it out. How’s the ammo eco on it?
atomic helm
Yeah alright I’ll trust you
timber shoal
machine pistol ammo econ is solid
raven copper
timber shoal
not amazing but like
raven copper
hel shotty
a lowkey machine piss slander shot smh
your no longer invited to the polycule dodo
raven copper
running hel auto piss hical hel sentry jus for you yeet
atomic helm
I tried gel shorty earlier. Felt like rubber bullets ngl. Maybe I wasn’t using it right
tiny wyvern
As the one idiot that uses machine pis often enough, it has theoretically good ammo eccon
upbeat flame
running hel auto piss hical hel sentry jus for you yeet
raven copper
I tried gel shorty earlier. Felt like rubber bullets ngl. Maybe I wasn’t using i...
meant to stagger not kill things
tiny wyvern
it can kill, just needs to hit heads
undone raven
running hel auto piss hical hel sentry jus for you yeet
That loadout is like lowk good in e2
keen seal
meant to stagger not kill things
it kills just fine
raven copper
it can kill, just needs to hit heads
well ye but its not your job to
tiny wyvern
That loadout is like lowk good in e2
is that fr or is it just a joke I'm too stupid to understand
raven copper
ok ik it can kill things im not that slow
atomic helm
meant to stagger not kill things
Good to know
upbeat flame
I tried gel shorty earlier. Felt like rubber bullets ngl. Maybe I wasn’t using i...
I mean if you want the busted shotgun for primary just run the sawed off
atomic helm
That’s what I usually run lol
upbeat flame
If ur definition of fun is deleting everything infront of you then it’s good
undone raven
is that fr or is it just a joke I'm too stupid to understand
No hi cal is great into nightmares and can kill charger scouts and decent into tanks, hel auto pistol is amazing to stagger nightmares and giants
And staggering hybrids and such
atomic helm
My definition of fun is killing things effectively while feeling good. Though obviously the second part depends on the person.
raven copper
wait vro lowkey maybe our duos are missing the hel auto piss
upbeat flame
Sometimes I run heavy smg and machine gun for the stream of bullets
raven copper
thats y nm6 is scuffed
ebon light
your no longer invited to the polycule dodo
raven copper
cooking rn
upbeat flame
No hi cal is great into nightmares and can kill charger scouts and decent into t...
Oh yknow what this is a question I had, is there any point for taking the hi cal than the hel rifle?
undone raven
Oh yknow what this is a question I had, is there any point for taking the hi cal...
No
upbeat flame
Ah
tiny wyvern
hel rifle is just really good
ebon light
hi call is just fun
tiny wyvern
Normally, hel rifle sawed off does 90% of the work for you
You can choose to have fun and not do that
atomic helm
If only I could take sawed off and machine piss. If only.
undone raven
You can choose to have fun and not do that
No sawed off hel rifle is fun just not always
Hel rifle is really hit or miss with me
upbeat flame
Yeah I only bring that out when I feel a level is deserved of it
undone raven
It's sometime fun
undone raven
ive taken sawed off hel rifle for like 500hrs worth
Fuckin chud
raven copper
i wanted clears asap
undone raven
250hrs full clear
1250 hours full clear ✌️
raven copper
"Stop and smell the flowers" ahh clear
ebon light
250hrs full clear
saemme twin
ebon light
"Stop and smell the flowers" ahh clear
dude
raven copper
dudevro
ocean spindle
Why I'm I getting called dude
dudeperson
undone raven
frail heart
Junk
ebon light
https://tenor.com/view/my-chud-son-after-i-force-him-to-drink-still-water-silly-...
this sucks
prime ore
winter breach
1250 hours full clear ✌️
900 hours and no r5d1
winter breach
Why I'm I getting called dude
I dont see the problem man
normal granite
Why I'm I getting called dude
screw gender ideology
just call everyone dude
burnt inlet
Gender ideology is liberal soft hands propaganda, and I’m falling for it
undone raven
screw gender ideology
just call everyone dude
I wasn't mad about getting called dude
They just responded to my message with "dude" and I didn't know why
mystic rock
dude...
burnt inlet
They just responded to my message with "dude" and I didn't know why
Sro
ocean spindle
dude
soft crater
ocean spindle
<:SantonianWhatElse:813148031867158548>
dude but cool
soft crater
undone raven
Dude
soft crater
undone raven
Tough question man
frail heart
Nah it’s just I remember when you were a wee little lad
ocean spindle
use the chart
10 20 40 50 60 80 90
[its real]
undone raven
Nah it’s just I remember when you were a wee little lad
Fym 😭
undone raven
What percentage of you is gay
If you mean gay as in homosexual maybe like >10%
frail heart
Bro I remember when you were like “bro I don’t wanna try on thigh highs”
Or some shit
undone raven
Bro I remember when you were like “bro I don’t wanna try on thigh highs”
i can guarantee you I NEVER said that
frail heart
This proves gay people are liberal propaganda !!!!!!
soft crater
frail heart
i can guarantee you I NEVER said that
HAHAHA I just remember this convo
soft crater
frail heart
Was funny asf
soft crater
https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/416907777513095170/1403539569495...
Convo when yall mentioned thigh highs apparently
undone raven
HAHAHA I just remember this convo
Lmao I'm still homophobic but I paint my nails
undone raven
“I get bummed but I still hate the gays” ahh
You don't gotta be gay to paint your nails twin
undone raven
Guys I don't like men
frail heart
This might be cap
ocean spindle
the propaganda will win
civic wave
Guys I don't like men
does anyone truly
civic wave
sounds patronising
winter breach
HAHAHA I just remember this convo
Based
winter breach
Guys I don't like men
Same
frail heart
I love my gf
civic wave
yes i love my gf as well, i'd wager that most people love their partners
burnt inlet
I love some people
frail heart
Is this role play for single people
ripe hamlet
real and true
ocean spindle
selfcest
ripe hamlet
^
tardy ingot
I’m the funniest person I know
Frosty is actually suffering from Amnesia
So he doesnt remember anyone
winter breach
So he doesnt remember anyone
true
ebon light
Why I'm I getting called dude
when did that happen
burnt inlet
Better be me
nah you aint a proper gooner yet
burnt inlet
only i am worthy of me
when did i say i love sneks?
ripe hamlet
you can be such a tsundere sometimes tt22
frail heart
nah you aint a proper gooner yet
Dawg I was there when the goonha gained enlightenment
timber shoal
Frosty is actually suffering from Amnesia
frosty suffering from r6d4 😔 what has the world come to
frail heart
timber shoal
thoughts and prayers for you frosty 🙏
burnt inlet
you can be such a tsundere sometimes tt22
sounds cool 🔥🔥
burnt inlet
Dawg I was there when the goonha gained enlightenment
are you an arsenal fan?
frail heart
are you an arsenal fan?
The Roblox game?
burnt inlet
frosty is 12 confirmed
upbeat flame
The soccer team no?
timber shoal
frosty snows
upbeat flame
I do remember arsenal tho, wasn’t bad, I miss og phantom forces
timber shoal
he’s just being a silly little individual
burnt inlet
The soccer team no?
yes
timber shoal
as he often does
frail heart
Yes!!
keen seal
I do remember arsenal tho, wasn’t bad, I miss og phantom forces
give me back my old movement
winter breach
frosty is 12 confirmed
yeah he doesnt snow about tf2
burnt inlet
Frfr
winter breach
not even cs:go
agile field
I am Cing my S til I Go
viral jungle
how do I continue this game without getting a headache from just one run down 🙏😔
livid stone
r1
rapid warren
download r2modman and play solo 8 man reactor
undone raven
when did that happen
When it happened
raven copper
nothing ever happens
tiny wyvern
download r2modman and play solo 8 man reactor
how do you solo and 8 man at the same time
ocean spindle
exaclty
digital mural
how do you solo and 8 man at the same time
schizophrenia
undone raven
nothing ever happens
Something:
Yo sniff if you were a brain surgeon and hypothetically I was your patient would you allow me to play with my ball and paddle while you performed surgery on me
raven copper
i think i might have to let you ye
ebon light
ball and paddle
raven copper
only if your brain is on pace
vestal crest
How hard do you think it would be to do r4e1 secondary with 3/4 players and a bot?
prime musk
it's super fine
vestal crest
I guess same goes for r5e1, but that one seems doable with a bot
prime musk
4e1 just requires the player who has the bot with them to lock in when doing sec
vestal crest
I’m assuming bot helps out with reactor wave clears?
prime musk
probably?
vestal crest
So 1 person and 1 bot hold, one person runs resources, one person goes for codes?
prime musk
1 person 1 bot holds, 2 people go for codes
the people holding should be able to manage resources for themselves.
vestal crest
Damn bro really needs to lock in lol
We have tried r5e1 a few times with a bot, idk if having a 4th person would help that much but the first error alarm keeps kicking our asses
prime musk
So 1 person and 1 bot hold, one person runs resources, one person goes for codes...
but having 2 + bot hold and solo code hunt IS valid as well, if the code hunter utilises that they have 3 on defense to play safe and make sure they stay alive
like 3 ppl should be 100% stable with hold always, so your solo hunter needs to not feel time pressure and take their time to play it safe
since if they die it's just over
vestal crest
I think dying is somewhat recoverable in the secondary right?
But really bad
Enemies shouldn’t scream in the mom room
prime musk
it's manageable but think of it as adding like 2 or 3 reactor cycles where you lose 1 of your defenders that have to be survived
prime musk
Enemies shouldn’t scream in the mom room
if you play it correctly yeah
prime musk
i think once you get to the secondary you'll be less scared of the reactor hold itself
vestal crest
Yeah, just the level in general seems like it’s going to be a grind
If it’s as hard as 5e1 has been
prime musk
5e1 is generally considered a bit harder
vestal crest
Does 5e1 get a bit easier after the first error alarm resource wise?
We keep running out of resources in the first error
vestal crest
That’s good to know. I kind of figured 5e1 had to be a bit front loaded in difficulty
prime musk
im not sure it's front loaded in difficulty
but it is the case that the beginning is resource starvation to some degree while the rest of the mission isn't
vestal crest
For my team resources tend to be the hardest part of levels, if we have enough we tend to do okay
What’s a hard resource level from r1-5 or r7?
I’m thinking of r5c3 but idk if that one actually starves you that much
prime musk
5c3 just has no ammo but otherwise has plenty of res
prime musk
maybe
vestal crest
We don’t have issues with that one though
vestal crest
Yeah, I think we are just going to need better resource and keycard searching skills
Trying to find that ammopack and keycard in the first error is pain
vestal crest
After getting both?
prime musk
key is required, you get ammo if it is at least as close as key
it depends a lot
but you should be pinging them so that you at least know where they are
vestal crest
Makes sense, those far rooms suck to clear with an error going
prime musk
the key is usually in the deepest room
vestal crest
Dope
prime musk
so you should be strategising around assuming the key is there
vestal crest
We have gotten to the last full team scan to turn off the alarm, but ran out of ammo
Idk if we are just being inefficient with ammo, or time, or both
vestal crest
Wouldn’t be surprised
tardy ingot
What’s a hard resource level from r1-5 or r7?
As in scarce on res?(comparing it to the general abundance)
R5B3
vestal crest
Hold on I gotta check what level that is
tardy ingot
yea. People often get overwhelmed. But you shouldnr run out of that in that alarm
vestal crest
We don’t tend to get overwhelmed until the ammo is gone
tardy ingot
Hold on I gotta check what level that is
Charger error early with very long wave delay (just under 3 min). Hi sec cargo
Sec is a thunderdome with a ton of insant bbcs and hybrids. Then overall 3 tanks
vestal crest
Ooooohhh right
tardy ingot
gotta go faster. And well
If you arent using good guns that could help too
vestal crest
Yeah figures
I think last time it was a hel rifle, machine gun, and buckland
And bot has machine gun to avoid ff
tardy ingot
eh
bot friendly fire is always overstated ngl
tardy ingot
mg on them is fine if you want them to not use up ammo while still contributing tho
BC would be for them to start pulling more weight
vestal crest
Bc?
tardy ingot
they shoot and kill
And shoot and kill
vestal crest
Ngl idc much about ff, but one person in my team gets pissed over 10%
But I’ll give it a shot
tardy ingot
well bc wouldnt be 10%
vestal crest
True
tardy ingot
it would be 44% minimum. Or all 3 for instakill
tardy ingot
burst rifle is the norm for contribution
Carbine does more if in range. Hel revo can peak
vestal crest
What do you mean by peak?
prime musk
Ngl idc much about ff, but one person in my team gets pissed over 10%
bot friendly fire is generally an issue of player positioning, rather then the bots being bad.
sure, humans won't friendly fire you even if you're out of position, but bots won't friendly fire you unless you're out of position to begin with
vestal crest
So is there any advice for how to position yourself? Or is it just kind of know where Bishop is and avoid him
tardy ingot
dont run inbetween bot and enemy
typically if you arent in a scan move away from enemy. Bot follows, so he isnt between you and enemy
prime musk
there are more specific things depending on gun and objective but really it's like
position such that everyone in your team can contribute. be it by shooting or by scanning or by moving an item or looting or whatever.
vestal crest
Any tips for things like sustain scans where Bishop sometimes likes to stand in the back?
prime musk
if he is at the back position to the sides
team scans are large enough for you not to need to be in front of someone to b ein the scan
vestal crest
Sounds good
I’ll switch to hel revo and BC next time and see how it goes
Oh one other question
Is it worth bringing in a heavy hitting weapon like BC or scattergun to r5e1 for all the giants or not?
prime musk
it is the most giant and big heavy mission in the game
ALL of you should realistically be carrying guns specialised at killing bigs, or at least good at it
prime musk
scattergun > sniper > hel rifle > burst cannon
would be my recommendations for human player
bot should stay on burst cannon
vestal crest
Is that a list of best to less good? Or are they all equally as good here?
prime musk
order from best to least good
vestal crest
Sweet, thanks
prime musk
for reference the speedrun uses 3 scatterguns and 1 sniper or 1 hel rifle
minor fractal
BC can be better, just not in this context.
prime musk
but you should probably stick to 2 scatters max
vestal crest
I love BC
vestal crest
Yeah I’m guessing it will be one person with sniper, scatter and rifle while bot uses BC
prime musk
you'd definitely be set up for success with that
vestal crest
True
minor fractal
You just don't need wave clear, especially not R5E1
(Also HEL Rifle is wave clear)
prime musk
having the correct guns to dispatch of them makes the rest of the waves pitiful (they waves are actually small, they're just threatening because of hybrids)
vestal crest
You just don't need wave clear, especially not R5E1
Yeah I guess I’m just seeing a trade off because my team has not made it past the first error yet.
minor fractal
You can slot 1-2 HEL Shotgun if it concerns you
But otherwise Sawed-off stacking is a lot of wave clear on its own
vestal crest
Oh true
minor fractal
Scatter should also be dumping a shot if there's enough enemies stacked
minor fractal
npnp
glossy basalt
just started playing again and am on rundown 1 stage 1 and am getting an audio bug where the game audio cuts out or the game freezes for a split second every now and then, anyone know a fix?
tiny wyvern
just started playing again and am on rundown 1 stage 1 and am getting an audio b...
#1049599987878723635 see if there are similar cases there
It's either your PC dying bcs it can't support GTFO well, or the weird mouse thing again
glossy basalt
<#1049599987878723635> see if there are similar cases there
It's either your PC ...
alright ill check ty, my pc shouldnt be having many issues since im running a 4080 super with an intel i7-14700k and 32gb of ddr5
i saw one post saying something regarding traybar? so imma try that
surreal lodge
You just don't need wave clear, especially not R5E1
I heard R5E1
frail heart
The modded revolution and its consequences
ripe hamlet
Chat what’s the hardest pe lvl
frail heart
R4C3 maybe
burnt inlet
I agree with frosty
livid stone
I had more trouble witj r4c2
ripe hamlet
Surely not r4c2
fathom ice
I think it's 4c3 ye
thick stump
for some reason R6C3 was much harder for me, maybe because I just don't like playing under time pressure 🤔
burnt inlet
for some reason R6C3 was much harder for me, maybe because I just don't like pla...
R4C3 is time pressure kinda
Not as bad as R6C3
thick stump
R4C3 is time pressure kinda
not main and not secondary
just the last part with the charger error alarm
burnt inlet
Yep
fathom ice
just the last part with the charger error alarm
well it's like kinda long
tank kill into an alarm into key hunt into an alarm into a turbine carry into extract
thick stump
tank kill into an alarm into key hunt into an alarm into a turbine carry into ex...
yeah, that's kinda true, I forgot about the key hunt, I thought after the hsu, kill the tank, take the turbine and extract after the main mission, so the error alarm is really hard
ripe hamlet
for some reason R6C3 was much harder for me, maybe because I just don't like pla...
R6C3 is a major map knowledge check
fathom ice
R6C3 is a major map knowledge check
ye
ripe hamlet
If you don’t know what you’re doing pe is pain
fathom ice
after you've learnt the map it's really not that bad
thick stump
ohh, I mean, I had the map open during the run but I still haven't known where to run first and such things, it was a big pain pain after the overload because the tanks afterwards are crazy
vestal crest
R4C3 maybe
Fr?
Hmm actually now that I think of it most of the hard levels I’ve done weren’t PE
vestal crest
I took longer on r5c2 I think
I feel like r7c2 PE was also pretty hard just because of the infection flyer alarm lol
burnt inlet
I took longer on r5c2 I think
It’s got overload and like one alarm in main that’s scary
burnt inlet
R4C3 is like kinda and then very hard
vestal crest
Yeah my group died at the end like 3 times
burnt inlet
Plus checkpoints
Me when <6 has checkpoints 🥸
vestal crest
2 times in keycard, 1 time at 80% on extract
vestal crest
Oh I was saying r7c2 had checkpoints before the overload
Which would make it easier
burnt inlet
Ooooooh
vestal crest
Lmao
burnt inlet
I was thinking about R4C3 and R5C2😭😭😭😭😭
vestal crest
Nah man I had to get a checkpoint mod for r1-5
burnt inlet
Geegees
burnt inlet
Nah man I had to get a checkpoint mod for r1-5
🥀
vestal crest
Too hard
burnt inlet
Why
vestal crest
I’m kidding
burnt inlet
R5D1 is the only one I could see
vestal crest
Is r5d1 considered hard or just long?
I didn’t think it was too bad
Just annoying to retry
burnt inlet
Is r5d1 considered hard or just long?
Long
It’s like 2 hours of nothing
Alarm into key into key into key into key into cell into alarm into key🥀
vestal crest
I’m looking forward to getting the dumb troll log later
vestal crest
Oh right I forgot about key into key into zone into key lol
burnt inlet
Yep
burnt inlet
Frosty stfu
vestal crest
I just don’t want to risk getting the log with the secondary fog
burnt inlet
I just don’t want to risk getting the log with the secondary fog
Ye I get ya
I did main only when grabbing log
vestal crest
Yeah
Just a time investment for one log
It’s the only log I’ve missed in a completed level so far
burnt inlet
Log hunting was so bad 🥀
vestal crest
I kinda enjoyed replaying levels with bots
Different experience
And I started before I had any really hard levels to retry
vestal crest
Oh lord
vestal crest
Tanks are pain with bots
burnt inlet
Tanks are pain with bots
Eh there’s places to deal with them
vestal crest
Yeah
burnt inlet
Room south of gen cluster
timber shoal
Eh there’s places to deal with them
does the room with overload dc work for tank kills
i remember using the tile in r7e1 one time for tanks
vestal crest
I feel like I don’t want to ruin one of the better r5 levels with bots for myself
timber shoal
understandable
burnt inlet
does the room with overload dc work for tank kills
With bots prolly not tbh
Room south of gen cluster and if you don’t do the alarm you get crazy funnels
And you can get (sniper) sentry to shoot tumors
tacit cedar
I just don’t want to risk getting the log with the secondary fog
def replay main only for the log yeah
not worth going for on a secondary run
timber shoal
And you can get (sniper) sentry to shoot tumors
oh peak
burnt inlet
It’s plausible to grab with bots
tacit cedar
on our main replay two of us died on the runback with shadows and we barely got it 💀
vestal crest
Good to know
burnt inlet
For me we just skilled out
vestal crest
There is a dog that spawns too right?
timber shoal
when door opens yeah
burnt inlet
Actually I don’t remember who I grabbed log with
vestal crest
Yipeee
burnt inlet
There is a dog that spawns too right?
My dog kinda hungry
vestal crest
True
tacit cedar
yeah just have your entire team defending at sec door while someone goes in and gets it
there's no sleepers iirc
vestal crest
Oh sweet
burnt inlet
yeah just have your entire team defending at sec door while someone goes in and ...
We just had one person (me) suicide to grab it and rest go to extract
tacit cedar
the big shadows on that runback are scary af
vestal crest
If I’m just going for log idrc about getting the clear
burnt inlet
I didn’t either
vestal crest
how hard is the r4d2 PE compared to the r4c3 PE?
wary flare
Hi all, is any else having connection issues this evening? My friends and I keep crashing
vestal crest
Hi all, is any else having connection issues this evening? My friends and I keep...
https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/1049599987878723635 there are some questions about crashes recently here if you want to look around
minor fractal
Hi all, is any else having connection issues this evening? My friends and I keep...
Steam issue
Last few hours thing, will probably be fixed eventually
minor fractal
how hard is the r4d2 PE compared to the r4c3 PE?
They're both pretty difficult
but R4C3 is harder
burnt inlet
how hard is the r4d2 PE compared to the r4c3 PE?
R4D2 is easier
vestal crest
im kind of tired of R4's lazy error alarms lol
whats this? A secondary with nothing but an error alarm? you shouldnt have
burnt inlet
im kind of tired of R4's lazy error alarms lol
To think you have two more… ops
vestal crest
d2 and e1?
at least e1 is a different error alarm
ill take tank and bbc error alarms over regular error alarms
ask me after 10 r4e1 attempts and my opinion might be different idk
vestal crest
it will be fun, i trust
tardy ingot
is 2 ppl enough to do a mission?
everything in this game is realistically doable duo
its gonna be noteably harder for you as beginners, but if you take bots its not gonna be too bad
undone raven
guys does hel revo oneshot normal strikers to the head
ebon light
how hard is the r4d2 PE compared to the r4c3 PE?
r4d2 is a tad easier
ebon light
guys does hel revo oneshot normal strikers to the head
no
undone raven
i stg this guy in my pub is trying to convince me that it does
undone raven
stntav wanna play cs soon I need spmebtjng to do
no
ebon light
wow
prime musk
get a team
for in 35 minutes i have 2 ppl to join the 2 of you
undone raven
not today
prime musk
alrr
frail heart
me you sniff hakcett
I love sniffing hackett
ebon light
im nsoeblind I csnt relate
raven copper
me you sniff hakcett
frail heart
im nsoeblind I csnt relate
What’s is bluddy saying
agile field
I cant enjoy sniffing Hackett I gain nothing from it
Can’t enjoy sniffing Hackett with that attitude
low radish
is 2 ppl enough to do a mission?
Yes. Me and my duo are trying to do it duo. Although I would say to get better at the game first or get a better understanding
Duo is harder than 4 man so getting some knowledge and experience is a good idea
Or just bots
grizzled patrol
I cant enjoy sniffing Hackett I gain nothing from it
Overdosed on the GTFO candles 🥀
ripe hamlet
choked at the runback of r4c2
🥀
didnt want to replay the entire thing again so no r4c2 W today
ocean spindle
:O
mystic rock
real
sudden nexus
cancel ovl alarm with main reactor surely
how would that work?
do you hold off mains cancel alarms
so you deal with shadow error the entire reactor?
ocean spindle
:D
sudden nexus
oh so like d1 alarm skip
ripe hamlet
yeah
timber shoal
honestly overload reactor barely spawns enemies anyways
ocean spindle
:3
ripe hamlet
the only hard part would be dealing with the reactor wave while trying to stealth the shadow scouts
(in duo)
timber shoal
ammo's pretty good at that point though too so idk if it matters too much
the bulkhead door gives nice lines/scatter value
so even if scouts wake you should b chillin
sudden nexus
is canceling ovl alarm any better than just main -> ovl -> sec
timber shoal
is canceling ovl alarm any better than just main -> ovl -> sec
you dont have to hold error while other person preps for cancelling surge
timber shoal
youll ahve more time doing sec that way
that too
yeah you wouldnt need to i suppose
sudden nexus
[[R6D3]]
gray rapidsBOT
ripe hamlet
our duo attempt did main->ovl->sec and we have to cancel surge since we wasnt sure if we could do sec fast enough
we had like 7 mins after finishing the shutdown
sudden nexus
so you dont have to rush or cancel surge
how do you cancel surge?
timber shoal
with error alarm cancel term
ripe hamlet
with term
timber shoal
by the shadow alarm door
ripe hamlet
no?
ripe hamlet
^
timber shoal
thats the shadow one
ripe hamlet
main has shadow error while ovl has normal error
sudden nexus
isnt there only one cancel alarm term
ripe hamlet
you get 2 terms to cancel errors
sudden nexus
oh right
ripe hamlet
you dont have to hold error while other person preps for cancelling surge
you dont have to hold error
you just have someone pull the error door right as the surge is about to happen
and the other one rush to cancel it
timber shoal
wouldnt that involve going through scary room though?
and needing someone to hold error?
sudden nexus
the other term is in main reactor area right
ripe hamlet
you stealth scary room alone
sudden nexus
or am i crazy
timber shoal
or am i crazy
one term's south of the tank zone, other one's deep in there by shadow alarm door
ripe hamlet
since one is in ovl zone and other already waiting at the sec door to the terminal theres no risk of waking the scary room
timber shoal
so you leave reactor going on wave 6, complete overload, pull error and input code to cancel spawns, have one person walk to term, and wait for surge to start so you can cancel it?
ripe hamlet
i think youd have enough time to do sec without cancellnig surge
you just have to shoot the normal error
which is trivial anyway
ripe hamlet
so you leave reactor going on wave 6, complete overload, pull error and input co...
the strats is to input code to cancel shutdown
not error
timber shoal
we'll see about that
maybe i'll actually become a good bio player in the time it takes us to beat the more shadow-plentiful levels
timber shoal
that lwk is the plan
pdw/hel rifle for me since i'll be holding shadow error + wave 6
ripe hamlet
i had my duo hold shadow error with pdw + scatter
i held the wave 6 with sawed off + hel rifle and bio
shadow error is super chill once you reclear the respawn room and retreat to camp at sec door
timber shoal
oh fs
ripe hamlet
and bio sneak is faster for scary room
and i can most of the time ping the shadow anyway
gritty talon
guys does hel revo oneshot normal strikers to the head
yes
gritty talon
pants are on fire
ocean spindle
pogchamp
upbeat flame
yes
bro I told you only to the back of the head 🥀
on a technicality, I guess it's a yes
gritty talon
my hel revo is telling me otherwise
ocean spindle
me when i mod
gritty talon
me when my folly consumes me
molten portal
Question for yall
So I run the scattergun in my group of idiots when we play. I run into the issue of running out of ammo on my primary more often then not. Is there a gun you guys would recommend to me to start running or do I just have 🎊Skill Issue🎊
Other question, should I just be running something else other than the scattergun
sturdy glen
you should get comfortable shooting scattergun at groups of enemies
it functions very well for waveclear in addition to big kill
(for reference scatter is the most op gun in the game so its not the problem unless you want to swap off)
molten portal
You know I've never thought of trying that. I know it's one of the strongest single target guns in the game but I figured the spread would be too much for smaller enemies
sturdy glen
it does 153 damage spread across all the pellets
strikers are the main enemy you fight in this game and they have 20 health
so not even counting hitting them in the head its really easy to kill at least 2 per shot
(and gives you reasonable efficiency compared to other guns if you do that)
timber shoal
using a scatter mag to kill one shooter thats annoying you is always good value
prime musk
fr
ocean spindle
i was gonna say "if u also have scatter dont use high dmg mains maybe" and realized i was wrong
waos
and with that i go snooze
keen seal
scatter vine boom sawed off triple vine boom
sturdy glen
you will run shotguns and you will be happy
frail heart
Quick swapping my scatterguns in gtfr
clever void
are they gonna give the AI in this game anymore future updates?
not saying the ai is bad but it can be pretty stupid sometimes
upper ginkgo
um game isn't in development anymore so probably not
your best bet is installing the better bots mod but even then it doesn't address all the issues
clever void
this is going towards the bots your given if you do solo play.
frail heart
Bots aren’t amazing but they aren’t really bad or anything
But they are only meant to fill in for one MAYBE two people
civic furnace
your best bet is installing the better bots mod but even then it doesn't address...
she knows all the solutions :3
hushed raptor
This is more related to this particular discord than the game itself, how do you set the status of the VC?
upbeat flame
right click on the channel and set status
tiny wyvern
More specifically, how do you do it on mobile.
You can't do it on mobile afaik
normal granite
hypothetically, if you completely run out of ammo inR6D1 kraken fight, are you just softlocked?
tiny wyvern
hypothetically, if you completely run out of ammo inR6D1 kraken fight, are you j...
Hypothetically, no
Realistically, yes
uneven kiln
i guess same applies to R8B2 sec
And E2
normal granite
OOB 
uneven kiln
OOB <:kekw:1048356239756771428>
You can easily softlock here too
atomic helm
do the bots not care about the stink fog or does their health just not show it?
fathom ice
they don't care
ripe hamlet
bots dont care about the stink fog and also can never wake any sleeping enemies whatsoever
including scout tendrils
winter breach
do the bots not care about the stink fog or does their health just not show it?
they dont belive in spicy fog
vestal crest
Belive
umbral gale
What do pistols have over larger weapons?
uneven kiln
Uptime
upbeat flame
Faster reload I wanna say
The only pistol I really use is the hel revolver, but the machine pistol and hel auto pp is good
dreamy socket
hel revo my beloved
grizzled patrol
What do pistols have over larger weapons?
Precise hipfire, although high C blooms after the First shot
normal granite
The only pistol I really use is the hel revolver, but the machine pistol and hel...
machine pistol no
hel auto pistol yes
normal granite
both are very solid weapons
what about sawed off
thats my favourite revolver
safe cradle
What do pistols have over larger weapons?
question way too generic
HiCal is very easy to use and you can just aim body against anything and do okay, HEL Rev is insane provided you can body+head reliably IMHO, MP is bad unless you're some bizarre machine that can make the most of it but realistically you aren't gonna manage to, HEL Autopistol is the "support" weapon for you to pepper spray enemies maximizing stagger rather than doing damage. Special Revolver reloads super fast and you can pop head of strikers/shooters easily enough, Standard Pistol is pretty bad.
To be completely honest I sometimes feel that if the game deleted all guns but HEL Rev, Sawn off, Carbine, HEL Rifle, Scattergun, CShotty, PDW and maybe PR everything would still be doable 100% and meta-wise noone would notice.
Scratch that, all you need is Sawn off, HEL Rifle and Scatter.
But it'd be less fun.
tardy ingot
HiCal is very easy to use and you can just aim body against anything and do okay...
Pistol isnt bad lol
its completely fine
safe cradle
🤷
I remember people picking it over Rifle because Rifle was the same but better
All the time I take it, it just feels like it wants way too much out of me than what it offers
tardy ingot
rifle and pistol were very similar pre rifle shadow reload cancel nerf/removal
safe cradle
Like a Belgian gf
safe cradle
Both are still close. Solid high B tiers
Well...
Ain't that pretty bad considering I assume you have 2 tiers above that?
tardy ingot
it staggers anything non giant/nm on a single shot
Its quite efficient if played correctly. Has solid ttk
tardy ingot
Ain't that pretty bad considering I assume you have 2 tiers above that?
Yea
S (broken) and A (very good/good)
bottom of A (burst rifle) is where stuff is generally „balanced“
safe cradle
I dunno man, that sounds pretty bad to me
Of course bad compared to the environment its in
ocean spindle
between the absolute shit that bullpup is and the god sawed off is
tardy ingot
you can say pistol is bad compared to sawed off
but then 90% of all mains are shit
tardy ingot
Pistol has very tiny downsides all things considered
It just doesnt have the insane upsides that broken guns get (or that trade off guns get like hel pp)
tardy ingot
so B tier is p average
yea low B - high C is around avg
or both as a whole
If you wanna increase the area/% covered
safe cradle
yea low B - high C is around avg
sorry but
Going by that logic plus the logic that main guns are not in the same board as special
Assuming also you value, then, Carbine, Sawn, Hel Rev, HEL PP, Burst Rifle, DMR, HEL Shotty higher than Pistol
that means that the only mains lower are... DTR, MP, Burst Pistol, AR, sluggy, HSMG, BP
yeah I guess that's around lower than the others
I dunno I'd still say it's pretty bad if it's in the middle of a leaderboard with 18 (I hate numbers) guns in it
tardy ingot
how the fuck
is middle
bad
you also dont go by pure rank
but relative to overall power level
Adjusted with what should be expected from a gun (since weapons like scatter and sawed off (or hel rifle yadda yadda) are massively overtuned)
People who ignore the 2nd part basically have to defend that scatter/sawed off are balanced
Pistol isnt great
Pistol isnt bad
Its slightly below expected but as a whole very solid
in comparision. Choke mod is more subpar in the special weapons
and even that gun is mainly looking as bad as it does due to role creep, not actual lack of weapon strengths
safe cradle
I dont feel the parallelism with Choke is good
And I also understand that if you compare it to the other choices, Sawn off wins over nearly all other Mains
But it does feel somewhat detached from the gameplay if I'd say Pistol is ok
safe cradle
When nearly everyone would probably prefer something else
tardy ingot
Pistol was genuinely top dog without hel revo/hel shotty/sawed off
when it was weaker than rn
„Prefer smth else“ doesnt mean its bad
Theres no logic to that statement rly
safe cradle
„Prefer smth else“ doesnt mean its bad
Well universally no
but if you aren't gonna pick it over something else
does it differ?
tardy ingot
you are
you are picking it over:
bullpup
ar
machine pp
Smg
Heavy smg
Burst pistol
(Unless you rly rly want thermals) pdw
Its mostly even with slug (outside of that guns niche), rifle and close to burst rifle
so the weapons you pick over it (shocker) are the absolute top tier and the 3 other rly good ones
sawed off, hel revo, hel shotty
Dmr, hel pp, carbine
all of which are better than youd need realistically
safe cradle
sawed off, hel revo, hel shotty
Dmr, hel pp, carbine
that's 6 guns compared to 8, and I'm putting PDW out because thermals make it hard to judge tbh, and BR because I play it pretty rarely but heard decent enough things about it
tardy ingot
thermals are insanely overrated
safe cradle
I'd guess it'd land in the middle
tardy ingot
they actually have downsides
Pistol is also noteably closer to dmr/hel pp and burst rifle than it is to the full auto sludge
safe cradle
thermals are insanely overrated
I disagree so much with this
Every fucking time I see people that look like they've ESP, or maybe my monitor is fucked up in terms of shadows/contrast or whatnot
tardy ingot
PR at least works as the shadow niche if wanted. Meanwhile pdw by itself is only the thermal. It doesnt kill them well
tardy ingot
But it's so fucking hard to spot shadows
Thats on your side then (or you are playing only r8c1 sec)
safe cradle
Thats on your side then (or you are playing only r8c1 sec)
No it's way too common for me to ponder how people can see EASILY even normal enemies in super low light, like R4D1's first room of the second zone
I can somewhat see better if I crank fog up but it really kills my frames
tardy ingot
environmental fog does let you see stuff better yes
safe cradle
meanwhile I keep seeing people and their game is weirdly different as if enemies pop up somewhat more
Even in some R4E1 streams
tardy ingot
its on your pc for that
Either way. Thermals are still massively overrated
especially pdw
safe cradle
I could perhaps grant that Pistol is """bad""" and whatnot
tardy ingot
its just not
safe cradle
but I'd never consider thermals as "overrated"
tardy ingot
Simply use normal wording
tardy ingot
The majority of the community (due to being less experienced) consider thermals to be insanely valuable. They arent
They have upsides for sure, but usually they are far more minor than theyd want unless you are rly rly bad at the game still
They also have actual downsides (projectiles, narrowed vision etc)
Pistol simply isnt bad
Unless you want everyone to do the stupid hyperbole shit of „anything not top tier is garbage“
safe cradle
insanely valuable is an exageration
tardy ingot
Cuz fine then
tardy ingot
insanely valuable is an exageration
say that to the 6+ thermal runs in r2e1
safe cradle
say that to the 6+ thermal runs in r2e1
what does that mean?
people ran PDW/PR * 3 and a poor sod with whatever as 4th?
tardy ingot
It means theres tons of teams picking multiple thermals for r2e1
When thats a level where 1 is already an edge case
safe cradle
Bho you're telling me that
I've pubbed R2E1 a fair bit and cant recall when I saw more than 1 PDW, maybe 2
tardy ingot
This server is typically not the average btw
ocean spindle
i seen lobbies woth 4 thermals sometimes 5
on e2
dat was a fun stream to watch kdmdksmd
minor fractal
But it does feel somewhat detached from the gameplay if I'd say Pistol is ok
Sleepo discovers my balance takes from first principles.