#gtfo-related-questions

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uneven kiln
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they cannot wake enemies, and have completely silent guns

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and they are immune to several hazards/enemy effects

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it's mostly about wrangling them, you can actually get a good ways in but definitely dont expect to be able to do everything with them

hoary warren
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this run was so good, because the key was right next to the door in Area 50, damn everything went fine until the bots felt suicidal

uneven kiln
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usually you wanna foam mine that door with sentries outside facing in shooting stuff on the door

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max amount of time bought

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oh yeah I should tell you this

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little known quirk

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even if you wake up an enemy and a bot is nearby that enemy has a chance to scream at the bot instead (yes screams don't actually make noise outright and they are targeted), and if it chooses the bot as a target it will make no noise

hoary warren
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do I Have to command the bots to use their turrets etc?

ocean spindle
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Q

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yes

hoary warren
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makes sense, I will try it again 😄

uneven kiln
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if you use bio, you can never match what a bot is able to do with them

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I didn't know that for a very long time

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they get 360 angle instead of a cone and have like half the cooldown lol

digital mural
uneven kiln
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I guess I should specify further

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you do get more intel on sleeping enemies than a bot which can only ping awake enemies

ocean spindle
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tat moment u die from 2 enemiies awake and the bots sit on 80 hp but dont do nothing :[

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sads

hoary warren
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finally

digital mural
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Bullpup

tardy ingot
uneven kiln
finite oracle
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what specific setting affects the texture of shadow enemies?

remote ginkgo
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shadow resolution

safe cradle
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From the tests I did aeons ago, as along as you dont put that to low, it's fine.

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It does get better at high but it's more about the shadows being sharper

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which I guess helps in some situation but it's just low that IMHO it's very bad

ripe hamlet
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is there a fix for every marker in the game getting uniformly displaced?

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i occasionally had it and its annoying when dealing with shadow

safe cradle
ripe hamlet
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everything is fine except the pings and object markers being in wrong places

safe cradle
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yes

ripe hamlet
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never had liquid bug tho

safe cradle
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oh

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well the only times I ever had what you describe was after getting liquid bugged

ripe hamlet
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for example the enemy and item pings would be displaced to the lower left of the actual locations

safe cradle
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yes, every UI stuff is in the wrong place (as in, the pings, and even player names)

ripe hamlet
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yeah

safe cradle
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I dont know if it's 100% related but get visor wiper mod anyway

civic wave
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it necessitates restarting the game iirc

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and is caused by funky resolution switching at some point or another

ripe hamlet
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F

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makes sense

civic wave
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i think that's what causes it, anyway

ripe hamlet
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sometimes i switch resolution and the game just doesnt update lmao

civic wave
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i've had it when i've swapped resolution mid game

ripe hamlet
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except for terminal text for some reasons

civic wave
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and other times where it does it on its own

safe cradle
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I'll be sincere I only had that like twice

civic wave
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yea i've had it like 4 times or something

ripe hamlet
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i had it quite a few times now

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thankfully usually only at the start of the run so i just restart the game

safe cradle
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If you ever get a drop of color being red, blue and green on your screen, it's also just liquid bug

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I had it and that mod fixed it

sudden nexus
raven copper
sudden nexus
past mesa
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Are at resolution things

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Wait

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Nvm I got this backwards

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Weapon scopes are effected by texture resolution

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When they could have just been an image

raven copper
burnt inlet
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r8d1 triple bots teached me how to do tank kills with bots

ocean spindle
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and is ass

burnt inlet
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its not that bad

ripe hamlet
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they just waste all their ammo and health

crude elk
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if someone disconnects, which bot is used to replace t hem?

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is t like left to right or whichever slot the player was in

civic wave
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i believe so, but there is not a functional difference between the bots

burnt inlet
crude elk
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im just wondering like which one i

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oh

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ok

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yeah as long as if the botracker pc disconect = bot gets bio its fine then

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also is there unstucks like if a cell glitched

burnt inlet
crude elk
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we had 4 cells but one of them just vanished bc of lag i guess

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the termnal showed 3 cell on list

civic wave
crude elk
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r2b2

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we weren't with bots at that time

civic wave
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if someone joined late they may have been able to plug a cell into a random generator, softlocking the mission

crude elk
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hmmm

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i mean we all joined at the start

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one of the players started lagging tho and I think he was holding a cell

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was during r2b2

crude elk
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is it worth putting like a burst sentry outside a c-foamed door

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or waste of tool ammo

frail heart
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Waste of tool

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Generally you should only take cfoam with mines

crude elk
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i forget mines exist

frail heart
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Yeah they’re pretty busted

ocean spindle
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holy shit crashinf out

crude elk
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im guessing its better to put mines lke on the right image?

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like mine facing into the door instead of side

burnt inlet
ocean spindle
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uh whats the door whats the wall

crude elk
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lemme at more liens to that ig

ocean spindle
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for small doors it facing jnto the door is good
for big doors, it on the side is good

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burnt inlet
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for long doors you put it going along door

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and or small doors you do this

frail heart
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If you can face it into the door it’s better

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For big doors just do it parallel

crude elk
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so just width depedent ini general kk

frail heart
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The reason you want to face it into small doors is because there’s not as much room on the door for enemies to be so they pile up behind each other

crude elk
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yeah makes sense

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just asnt thinkinig straight lol

frail heart
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Nah ur good

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It’s not super intuitive

crude elk
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got one more question but i need to fnd a good map example

frail heart
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Sure

crude elk
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suppose u are in 73 trying to go to 74
do you need to foam tht last door at all or 0 benefit

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or is there ever a situation to not foam all doors where u are holding

grizzled patrol
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they will not go out of their way to go through an extra room to get to you

frail heart
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The only door you need to mine is the far left one

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And cfoam

grizzled patrol
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even if the doors are open

frail heart
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They won’t spawn or path through the other 2

crude elk
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they will never enter from 73b?

frail heart
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Nope

crude elk
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wtf

grizzled patrol
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unless tm8 stays there to goon in a corner

crude elk
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no idea what thats in reference to

frail heart
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If someone is standing in B they will path to there

upper ginkgo
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hi new player here, what does "goon" mean

crude elk
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but in short they will just take the least door possible?

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just they dont spanw in 73b for some reason ni that case

frail heart
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Relax your throat and make eye contact

frail heart
crude elk
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oh right

frail heart
crude elk
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so they are all comnig from the west in general

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ok

frail heart
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Yep

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Always

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So that door is basically your choke point

crude elk
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r2a1

so is it just basicly always like that and cfoam ground f u took it and ddnt kno (or just fill turrets instead)

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tiny wyvern
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they can also come from below

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102a

crude elk
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thats the span room

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isnt that technically 1 room aay

tiny wyvern
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YOu're in zone 102c

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There's 102b in between c and a

burnt inlet
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two diff rooms

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crude elk
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huh

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tho that door as still foamed at the end so no clue hat happened there

tiny wyvern
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you got lucky

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That's all

burnt inlet
crude elk
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ah

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rng

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ok

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is re-cfoaming a door under atk worth to get alarms done too or eh

mystic rock
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no general yes or no answer

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if you're losing so much time from not doing scan then just no

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and if you need to save tool then no

crude elk
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hm

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i guess the better question is hat determens next wave

mystic rock
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hidden timer

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starts counting down when there are enough enemies killed to trigger the next wave spawn

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counts down faster the more space over the start of counter limit you have

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each alarm has it's own settings

crude elk
mystic rock
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like if it can spawn a wave on 20 spawn cap

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then it would count down normally at 20 spawn cap but very slowly

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but if you're basically at 0 enemies awake

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then it goes very fast

crude elk
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ah

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gotcha

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so just more of a focus alarm, dont blow too much time/ammo stalling i guess

mystic rock
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as for your r2a1 experience

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here are the numbers of each spawn point chance

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for that door

burnt inlet
# crude elk gotcha

Essentially think of it like ”when there’s <4 enemies remaining a new wave will spawn”

crude elk
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yeah

mystic rock
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values never changed

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so should be

crude elk
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thanks

burnt inlet
# crude elk is this post still accurate btw https://www.rxddit.com/r/GTFO/comments/w01qk1/gu...

Very concise and helpful info-graphic.

Only things that stick out to me as inaccurate:

Back damage is heavily influenced by positioning, but it's actually decided by facing direction. It compares the direction you're looking to the direction a sleeper is facing towards and gives you a bonus based on the angle (1x until 112.5 degrees, and then climbs to 2x until a 22.5 degree angle where it maxes out). The positioning explanation is much more accurate than a hitbox explanation, though, as it will give you results in practice.
Precision and sleeper bonuses do apply to partial charges, not just full charges. They use the same formula as damage, afaik. So, spear w/ a 50% charge (climbing from 1 to 1.3 precision) will receive a 1.0375 precision multi.

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From ray

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Which is one of the vets

grizzled patrol
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  • it is missing some newer enemies
grizzled patrol
crude elk
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well i play with hammer rn, was that changed?

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dont care too much about newer ones since we're sut starting at r1 -> r8

hardy grotto
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should be the same

silk radish
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hammer is the same, yeah
As mentioned, knife and spear got changed, so it's probably worth remaking the infographic at some point

frail heart
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The only thing that got changed for hammer is stagger multiplier pretty sure

burnt inlet
vital yarrow
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how do the lights work in the e2 reactor room for first code? we're either having them bug out or after a bit the lights in that room never turn back on

frail heart
prime musk
frail heart
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Lmao

prime musk
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note that resetting a code, (ie restarting a wave) ALSO turns them off

heady bison
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Hello. I am new to the game and don't know what this rule means. No one is going to be playing games below a certain "R" number?

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tardy ingot
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no its about old rundowns.

versions tha arent accessable in the current game (but their remakes are)

remote ginkgo
heady bison
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Ok, the "respect the developer's concept for the game" line makes more sense now.

remote ginkgo
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With how the game originally came out, the intent was "When the rundown ends, you can't play the levels anymore"
This changed with the introduction of ALT Rundowns, which are basically light remixes on the original rundowns

heady bison
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is that why there's 4 completion slots on all the levels?

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remote ginkgo
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Ah, no, that refers to optional objectives, which were introduced in rundown 4 onwards

heady bison
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oh secondary, overload, etc?

remote ginkgo
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Mhm, and prisoner efficiency, which is doing main, secondary and overload in one run

heady bison
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ok

timber shoal
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that rule in particular is quite outdated

sudden nexus
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if your playing the removed rundowns your not going to find a lobbby here

undone raven
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You're not going to find a lobby here period

raven copper
timber shoal
frail heart
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Average syntav message

timber shoal
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samdb coded

frail heart
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Life of despair and distraught ahh comment

undone raven
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Waited like 40 minutes for +1 in e2 yesterday

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But it was fun so wtv

sturdy glen
cerulean fjord
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who's your favorite prisoner if that prisoner wields the Bio Tracker?

fathom ice
agile field
undone raven
sturdy glen
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tonk

tiny wyvern
undone raven
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Hang up

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I have nothing to say to him

tiny wyvern
viscid wolf
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anyone know where I can find the original R5 nerf patchnotes, just thinking of going on a nostalgia trip

fathom ice
viscid wolf
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tyyy no wonder it wasn't on steam

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huh not as much got changed as i remembered

crystal blaze
normal granite
crystal blaze
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Aren't you the 192GB of RAM person?

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You never answered my question regarding what you're doing with all that RAM

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If you'd like to run TURBOMOLE on the side and do some electronic structure calculations, that'd be cool!

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The Fock matrices need to be diagonalized somehow

winter breach
normal granite
normal granite
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and more

radiant shore
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how does aggro through grates work?

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like the ones on floors/bridges

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is it like theres no cover between and you can walk freely even if they blink or is there no long range/kill agro

winter breach
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It all depends on linear distance

radiant shore
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ok so act as if theres no surface between?

winter breach
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Pretty much

radiant shore
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thjankyoui

tardy ingot
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for movement, you cant sprint but with actual grating they basically wont wake up if you just walk

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they will thump over and over but thats kinda it

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for long range aggro, its just los based as always, so its technically safer but you cant be sure (then again, long range aggro is a % chance anyway)

hoary warren
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Is r1b1 meant to be stealth or played like a doom game?

fathom ice
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either

winter breach
cerulean fjord
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if a prisoner or schaeffer tries to urinate, do they keep their pants zipped to prevent genital infection or do they unzip and let the virus spread faster around the body?

ripe hamlet
fathom ice
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it's weird

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if u walk no if you kill sometimes you can long range

burnt inlet
vital yarrow
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has anyone else had game audio break/disappear pretty much entirely at some point in e2?

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if so than is there a reason it would be happening?

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i know too many scouts can break audio but the two times ive had audio break in e2 wasnt because of any scouts

ripe hamlet
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in e2 is weird

tardy ingot
ripe hamlet
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possible audio breaking would be gen cluster and spitter

tardy ingot
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spitters and cocoons

ripe hamlet
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oh yeah cocoons

stoic badge
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Question me and 2 friends just started playing this game

tardy ingot
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@vital yarrow the archive (by aurirex) has a setting to turn off spitter and cocoon sound

Basically removes that issue

stoic badge
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Were determined to not use bots, how tf do we beat the Reactor level in R1. It keeps consistently kicking our ass

tardy ingot
vital yarrow
stoic badge
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We keep consistently dying in that level

vital yarrow
ripe hamlet
stoic badge
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We do that

tardy ingot
ripe hamlet
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take good wave clear special like hel rifle/gun

tardy ingot
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As a whole gtfo is heavily based on knowledge. You are new new, so stuff will feel a lot harder rn than it will with a bit of extra understanding

stoic badge
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We using bio tracker, hel sentry and burst sentry.

ripe hamlet
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hel sentry is bad for this

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use either burst or sniper

stoic badge
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Keep getting fucked by like ranged giants

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We tried sniper but it runs out of ammo

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Also we get run over unless the stunning to help slow them down

ripe hamlet
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have one guy focus on big threat

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there are enough ammo, so you will have to get better at shooting

stoic badge
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Been using Accrat as main weapons mostly accross the board

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Any weapon reccomendations

tardy ingot
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doesnt help that r8e2 has permanent borken cells

ripe hamlet
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good main would be sawed off shotgun and hel revo

tardy ingot
tardy ingot
ripe hamlet
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yeah they dont matter too much, but since they ask for recommendation id just give them the best lmao

stoic badge
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Give me a good split for 3 peeps

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We determined to try and do it without a 4th

tardy ingot
stoic badge
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Okay '

tardy ingot
ripe hamlet
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for special, all the hel weapons, combat shotgun and normal shotgun, burst cannon are generally good pick

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try them all out

uneven kiln
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super glad we have fixes for it

ripe hamlet
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remember to ammo balance since it seems you keep running out of ammo

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aka shoot both main and special to prevent overfilling

tardy ingot
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hel rifle is uber broken (good against everything youll see). It has 5 pen (hits up to 5 in a line) and 1 shots small enemies anywhere

4 shots giants with bodyshots and can even 1 shot headshot scouts

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general good picks aside from that to try out for r1c1:

main:
sawed off (broken)
Hel revolver (learn reload cancel) - rly good. Has pen and 2 taps smalls
Carbine - easy to use. Very spamable
Dmr - hel revo, without the pen but more range and 1 shots the shooter smalls on headshot

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special:

hel rifle (as explained above)
Hel gun (1 shots to head, 2 to body on smalls). More ammo than hel rifle but less range and obv the dmg

High cal (hel rifle without the pen)
Revo (hel gun without the pen and a bit less dmg but easier to use)
Are also good choices for smalls here

Burst cannon is great for big enemies (2 bursts into their body kill) and can be solid into smalls still

tardy ingot
ripe hamlet
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burst cannon wave clear is a little tricky to do however

tardy ingot
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@stoic badge regarding other info I asked about earlier

Hold near ressources. Not in reactor

You dont need to instantly plug codes. The wave spawns are fixed amounts, so use the timer to loot.

Resources are mega abundant. So shoot -> kill fast -> more time to loot -> repeat

stoic badge
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we figured

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Weve even been taking the time to brin bigger loot piles forward

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replace 2 with 4/5 etc

ripe hamlet
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you dont need to do that

stoic badge
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We just kept getting fucked up and I had a feeling its weapon or sentry related

ripe hamlet
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as long as you split when the wave is ending

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have one person going back to code while other hunt res

tardy ingot
ripe hamlet
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its probably more target prioritisation and downtime management

tardy ingot
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well both

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1 being good makes the other less important

ripe hamlet
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true

stoic badge
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Can I ask what enemy prio list looks like

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Who should be doing what

ripe hamlet
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also, remember that you can stagger giants to cancel their attack animation

stoic badge
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Like what should you be focussing on

ripe hamlet
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you can stagger on demand by shooting their limbs and breaking them

stoic badge
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Wait thats a thing

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U can just stagger

ripe hamlet
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same with all enemies except for shooters where their heads wont pop useless they die

stoic badge
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My god

tardy ingot
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enemy about to hit someone > hybrid > close enemy > giant > striker/shooter

(kill shooters whenever possible tho, fuck em)

stoic badge
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What is a hybrid

ripe hamlet
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the guy who shoots barrage of fast moving projectile

digital mural
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do i see a new soul

stoic badge
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Also how can you tell the difference

ripe hamlet
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youll know when you see one

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they look distinctly different

stoic badge
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You mean ranged giant?

ripe hamlet
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no

stoic badge
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At least thats what we call those fuckers

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okay

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Ranged giants have been bastards so far

ripe hamlet
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big shooter shoots 3 slow moving projectiles

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hybird shoots like ten

vital yarrow
tardy ingot
# stoic badge Who should be doing what

Unless a player is carrying a specific anti big weapon (sniper/scattergun/burst cannon) who you trust then you shoot based on prioritiy

If you have one then they can deal with the big mainly and cover smalls getting through whenever necessary

digital mural
ripe hamlet
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that too yeah

stoic badge
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Have I seen a hybrid

ripe hamlet
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but very weak melee

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it first appears on r1c1

stoic badge
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I dont recognise this

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Okay then im just not getting what Im looking at

tardy ingot
stoic badge
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OHH

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The like

ripe hamlet
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if you reach later wave youll see them

stoic badge
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YEAH

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No

ripe hamlet
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idr what wave they start appearing

stoic badge
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We just call those fuckers ranged giants

tardy ingot
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that wont be very precise later on xD

stoic badge
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We kinda just have all the small dudes

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Giant

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Ranged Giant

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xD

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Thats all we have for recognising

ripe hamlet
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ranged giant can be confusing when you meet big shooter

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which you might have seen in r1b2

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in the optional res zone

tardy ingot
stoic badge
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OHHHH

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Okay

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I do know of other enemies

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But were trryna do this as blind as possible

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So havent met much

digital mural
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does he know

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about the one

tiny wyvern
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he doesn't pablo

stoic badge
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Just its been like a week of reactor attempts

ripe hamlet
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its okay there are a lot more

stoic badge
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So I needed something

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For my own sanity

tiny wyvern
stoic badge
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Yeh

digital mural
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.t r1c1

uneven gulchBOT
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Captain America: puts foot on chair "So you are having trouble with R1C1"

a reactor is ultimately 3 parts,
1 Wave Defense
2 gathering resources in between
3 getting the code into the terminal in time
If you already know how R1C1's reactor works, then its just the first two things you need, and they can go hand in hand

the most popular place to defend for many reasons is the bridge tile. the hole in the wall at the south end is a great choke point where you can get angles and focus your sentries, the bridge itself is a perfect funnel if/as you fall back, and its only about a 30 second run to the reactor terminal.

when you start looting after the shooting, you have quite a lot of resources around you to spend as the code person runs out and runs back. and on longer warm up times for the later codes, you have enough time to run forward and loot in previous areas.

when giants spawn having someone with a good weapon for bigs like hel rifle is useful (especially for hybrids) as well as saving tool by only having 2 sentries down for most waves, saving it for later waves or the waves with Hybrids (4, 6, 8).

this is definitely a 3 sentry + 1 bio tracker level, and when you learn all sentries are not created equal.
Burst is the best all-arounder.
Sniper sentry thrives with bio tracking and the long sight lines on this level.
shot gun sentry is in the game
Autosentry is in the game.

if you have a bot, they are a boss with the biotracker so give them that, and if you have three bots god go with you.

tiny wyvern
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.t r1c1

uneven gulchBOT
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Captain America: puts foot on chair "So you are having trouble with R1C1"

a reactor is ultimately 3 parts,
1 Wave Defense
2 gathering resources in between
3 getting the code into the terminal in time
If you already know how R1C1's reactor works, then its just the first two things you need, and they can go hand in hand

the most popular place to defend for many reasons is the bridge tile. the hole in the wall at the south end is a great choke point where you can get angles and focus your sentries, the bridge itself is a perfect funnel if/as you fall back, and its only about a 30 second run to the reactor terminal.

when you start looting after the shooting, you have quite a lot of resources around you to spend as the code person runs out and runs back. and on longer warm up times for the later codes, you have enough time to run forward and loot in previous areas.

when giants spawn having someone with a good weapon for bigs like hel rifle is useful (especially for hybrids) as well as saving tool by only having 2 sentries down for most waves, saving it for later waves or the waves with Hybrids (4, 6, 8).

this is definitely a 3 sentry + 1 bio tracker level, and when you learn all sentries are not created equal.
Burst is the best all-arounder.
Sniper sentry thrives with bio tracking and the long sight lines on this level.
shot gun sentry is in the game
Autosentry is in the game.

if you have a bot, they are a boss with the biotracker so give them that, and if you have three bots god go with you.

tiny wyvern
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god damn it we overlapped

ripe hamlet
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every time i see this copypasta everyone hates it

digital mural
tiny wyvern
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for your reference R1C1 is the most boring reactor
The next one you'll have is really fun

stoic badge
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Okay

tiny wyvern
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So don't get too used to sitting still and shooting for 8 waves

stoic badge
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Funny thing is right

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Technically weve already done this

ripe hamlet
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die at extract?

stoic badge
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But were a 3rd world country and couldnt afford the game initially, had to sail a bit but when it went on sale we all bought it cause we loved it so much. So now we have to redo it. Never beat R1C2 though so not eactly as far

ripe hamlet
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its fine

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you should be able to do it again

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Proof im not lyin

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Do own it now

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😅

tiny wyvern
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Yeah as long as you don't annouce that you're pirating the game we really don't care

ripe hamlet
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there are some ppl here who also go from pirated copy to official one

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We werent sure as well if we were gonna enjoy it at first

tiny wyvern
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Glad you guys stuck around

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regardless of circumstances

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But something this challenging is really fun especially when most games nowadays are like easy to an extent

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Idk

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Been gaming since like 10 now 22 so the challenge is welcome

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but yeah

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We already had done it but that was with 4

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unfortunately one of use did fall during the transition

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So now its tryna do it 1 person down thats the issue

digital mural
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use LFG

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Nah

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We wana do it as 3

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We determined to go as far as we can 1 down

ripe hamlet
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doing it as 3 is basically doing it as 4 anyway

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And we dont think this is the wall

ripe hamlet
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the real big spike comes when you start trying duo and solo

normal granite
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E tiers...

ripe hamlet
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e tier is already a wall

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unless r8e1

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Oh for play order

normal granite
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solo e tier surely

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is it just r1-r8

tiny wyvern
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I mean before e tiers R2D2 is a really big wall

digital mural
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yes

ripe hamlet
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just jump around when you start getting hard stuck

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that should happen in r2d1/d2 or even r2e1

digital mural
ripe hamlet
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you should be able to clear everything before that

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okay

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Cool

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Thanks for all the help guys

tardy ingot
ripe hamlet
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just leave r8 for last

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Oh

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Primary Weapon recoos any personal favorites since weve been using SMG's for most things

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And u now say that single fire is slightly beter

ripe hamlet
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not slightly

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quite a fair bit better most of the time

digital mural
tiny wyvern
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SMG is on the lower end of things even for autos tbh

digital mural
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autos in this game are really really weak

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except Hel auto pistol

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which is fairly decent

tiny wyvern
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I mean I can deepdive into the weapons into this game but I've done that once in lfg-beginners and I believe everyone just stopped listening to me

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I need to go stuy and just talking on break rn

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Just curious if you had to give top 3 best for new players single firew

tiny wyvern
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Hel rev sawed off and carbine

stoic badge
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Is sawed off really that good

tiny wyvern
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hel rev if you like to see your screen

digital mural
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and almost the best gun in the game

tiny wyvern
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Sawed off if you want to four shot giants and one shot smalls

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But ammo....

tiny wyvern
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and carbine if you suck at aiming and want more ammo

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Im talking main here as well

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not special

digital mural
tiny wyvern
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If you're running out of ammo you're not balancing ammo well or using your tools properly

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Especially early game

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R1 should not have you running out in the slightest, even at the worst droughts

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Ammo is mostly a thing on this reactor level

tardy ingot
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Never had issues before

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Idk

tiny wyvern
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Oh you just didn't find all the ammo

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Word of mouth and actively talking just feels less cheat with our rules than like

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Watching vids

tiny wyvern
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What you're supposed to do is gather resources (i.e. walk forwards and grab ammo, tool etc) when the waves aren't coming)

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And resupply yourselves

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What's at bridge room should keep you fed until wave 4

stoic badge
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Just trying to get some good main weapons reccos for me and my group

tiny wyvern
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And you'll need most of the resource in the large room to tide you over wave 8

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There are upstairs and downstairs areas you always need to check for that map

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Cause there may be resources there

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Weve scoured everything in there

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We pinged and found everything

tardy ingot
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just ran out before we could go deep enough to get more

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tiny wyvern
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make a habit of carrying a 5-6 use ammo or tool from the starting area (entrance zone) to reactor

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Helps keeping you alive

tardy ingot
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Sawed off gets 8.18 kills per refill on 1 shot kills

Hel revo gets 9 on 2 shots (tho has pen)

Sawed off then goes crazy into anything no small

tiny wyvern
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Also if you're using sentries like hel auto and shotgun, special slot shotguns and MGs you're going to run out due to you not being able to hit your shots/damage falloff eating off your damage

tardy ingot
tiny wyvern
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(Actually we should've asked what are your loadouts)

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In general R1C1 is the accuracy/kill check of the beginner levels
If you can't kill enough things with the ammo you have, sometimes you just die

stoic badge
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SMG accrat and like Machine Guns. I used to run the pistol with alot of ammo st and delete key shotgun

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Second is what I would run in solo levels

tiny wyvern
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And your teamates?

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SMG and Machine Gun or SMG and Hell Sniper

tardy ingot
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That was normal levels

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Okay, so like if we all ran sawed off u telling me wed win first try

tiny wyvern
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No

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Thats basically what im getting here is this thing is busted

tiny wyvern
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You don't know the falloff for the gun to work

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If anything id like a like single fire dmr esc

tiny wyvern
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Damage falloff in this game is an actual concern

stoic badge
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but I dont know whats good

tiny wyvern
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Double tap rifle kills well at range

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I assume hel sniper is hel rifle?

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Yeh

tiny wyvern
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That's fine

tardy ingot
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which is called dmr

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hel sniper 💀

why does this happen so often with the name

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and quite good

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then theres a dmr

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Sry internet was a bit funky lol

tiny wyvern
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yeah we saw that in real time

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Are you using sentries well?

tardy ingot
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they were using burst and hel auto

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weve already gone through this all btw

tiny wyvern
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ok

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At the end of the day if you can't get the guns we recommended to work try to only shoot stuff up close and always hit your shots

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With SMG anyways, your specials are fine at mid range

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This fucker

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Is this the recoomendation

tiny wyvern
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For long range killing yes

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the DMR is mostly a support rifle due to it not being able to kill things

tardy ingot
tiny wyvern
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And needing a mop to help it finish the job

tardy ingot
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what

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Okay, I normally run this now and then scattergun to deal with like giants

tardy ingot
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nonono

dmr kills rly rly well wth

tiny wyvern
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really?

tardy ingot
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Yes?

tiny wyvern
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I guess I've been lied to again

tardy ingot
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unless you think hel revo doesnt kill

tiny wyvern
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Eh true

tardy ingot
tardy ingot
# stoic badge This fucker

Double tap rifle isnt bad

BUT it needs you to hit a headshot and bodyshot in the double hit burst it gives you reliably

stoic badge
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I can do that

tardy ingot
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its quite the challenging weapon to learn basically

Dmr is super simple and well… you wanted a dmr

stoic badge
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I was hitting only headshots with the pistol at range

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Im confident in my aim

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Im assuming some upwards recoil when shooting from the burst

tardy ingot
#

you can try it out

dtr is pretty good once practiced a ton. But realistically it doesnt breach the top tier

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yes

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Is this the one u were thinking for me

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tardy ingot
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Dmr yes

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Dmr is A-tier/good

it needs good aim but nothing crazy

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Okay

tardy ingot
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1 headshot kills shooters
1 headshot leaves a striker at near 0 hp, so anything after kills (usually a 2nd dmr shot)

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Thank you again for all the help

tardy ingot
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👍

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Got my final exam tommorow

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So need to go finish studying

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Then finally done at under grad and I can get my job at MC Donalds

ripe hamlet
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dmr has abyssmal ammo tho

tardy ingot
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eh

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its low

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but low for a main is barey noticeable

Especially since it has rly favourable matchups into shooters and and tag dmg on strikers leads to 1 shots

prime ore
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same with burst cannon

prime ore
# prime ore

I feel like this is probably the best loadout for R4E1 when we do it w my team

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if I can get em to play

tardy ingot
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the whole team?

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or just yours

prime ore
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cuz like idk if one of hours is gon play till like christmas dude

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thats why I beaten it earlier and ppl tell me I get carried

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I mean zed is goated but he didnt carry too hard we still had fun and everyone did something so

tardy ingot
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having fun and doing smth doesnt necessarily mean you didnt get carried

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from what ive heard zed calmly did codes and someone stabilized the reactor hold

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well read

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Not heard

tiny wyvern
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did zed dm that to you when you were not typing

timber shoal
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holding is the easy part

prime ore
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and like another dude came in to help him

tardy ingot
prime ore
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while me and other dude who only did R4A2 were holding the waves

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it was really fun cuz we like had no idea what we were going into

tiny wyvern
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It's nothing

timber shoal
tardy ingot
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read as in from the convo when it got posted here

prime ore
timber shoal
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yeah

prime ore
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he was shooting with me

timber shoal
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i know

upper ginkgo
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downplaying stev's achievement :(

timber shoal
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i’m a toxic vet now

prime ore
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I mean we will still do it

tiny wyvern
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Oh this was a while ago

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I get it now

prime ore
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just gotta get the dudes to play

prime ore
timber shoal
burnt inlet
tardy ingot
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moth how ya doin today

burnt inlet
tardy ingot
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Regarding r4e1 and being carried or not

From my impression you guys dont seem like youd win the level by yourself, so the assumption would just naturally fall there. Especially with a very experienced player on the team

But its also not like youd be a massive weight to drag through (hopefully xD)

burnt inlet
tardy ingot
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surely stev is gonna brazil skip soon

prime ore
prime ore
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I feel like with enough like brute force we can beat most of missions

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except shit like R5E1 or R8E2

burnt inlet
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Anyways stev isn’t gonna survive R8E1 or A2 sec

upper ginkgo
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r8e1 isn't thattt hard

burnt inlet
upper ginkgo
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i can only read on the level of a 8 year old

burnt inlet
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Great they take things literally

finite oracle
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in e2 is it possible to deactivate alarms using the reactor corrupt scan teleport?

prime musk
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yes

past mesa
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Kid

finite oracle
prime musk
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no

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but if the class 6 is finished and the pmom doesn't get to spawn in, ie it's queued, then it will remove it from queue

finite oracle
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ok

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does the teleport despawn all active enemies?

past mesa
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No

finite oracle
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ok

civic wave
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ok

finite oracle
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ok

civic wave
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that's what i'm saying

finite oracle
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real

prime ore
burnt inlet
civic wave
upper ginkgo
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idk pretty sure you gotta send an application to the board before you get toxic vet status

prime ore
burnt inlet
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I don’t know anyone which has

prime ore
past mesa
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Is taking applications any more

timber shoal
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guess i’ll have to go back to being whimsy coded 😔

grizzled patrol
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Toxic? Last Time ive checked you were mildly acidic buh

timber shoal
reef rock
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dont become toxic vet

timber shoal
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i don’t have enough hate in my heart to be toxic

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dw

reef rock
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become epic thrower like me

burnt inlet
reef rock
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peng cscout incident

burnt inlet
reef rock
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😹😹

uneven kiln
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the downstairs incident

reef rock
burnt inlet
reef rock
burnt inlet
timber shoal
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peng incidents are a bright spot in my day <33

burnt inlet
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What’s moth moments?

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(Also same)

timber shoal
burnt inlet
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🔥

reef rock
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i yearn for the infectious fog

timber shoal
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whenever you wanna tbh

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i don’t have a life

reef rock
timber shoal
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gonna have some family obligations over this week since it’s thanksgiving in murica

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but asides from that

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we chillin

reef rock
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when u play gtfo

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ping me

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!!!

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i want to play

timber shoal
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oki :3

civic wave
# timber shoal tragic

born too late to be a toxic vet, born too early to avoid the plague and curse of this game

reef rock
timber shoal
raven copper
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fuck my stupid chungus life manPensiveGlasses

raven copper
undone raven
upper ginkgo
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ask your dad

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sam database

undone raven
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no im asking my mom instead

timber shoal
digital mural
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Deez

timber shoal
undone raven
raven copper
timber shoal
civic wave
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what does that make me then

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estranged aunt?

raven copper
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correct

undone raven
civic wave
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paging vozy

past mesa
civic wave
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correct

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i'm like a drug addict who doesn't take drugs

sudden nexus
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goat is scary

undone raven
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goat ur a bum its ok

civic wave
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weird and untrustworthy

civic wave
undone raven
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im yourself

civic wave
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you fucking wish you were me

undone raven
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no lmao you are british

civic wave
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and you're american

undone raven
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yeah like equally bad imo

raven copper
civic wave
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but i'm closer to mainland europe

raven copper
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literally yall rn

digital mural
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Lol

agile field
undone raven
agile field
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Real

raven copper
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so tru an real

vital yarrow
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are there multiple possible seeds for the scan placements in E2 first nm6 alarm?

little pilot
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that zone specifically has multiple possible "builds" and that causes the seeds to be different

fathom ice
little pilot
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funnily enough u can correlate cell positions & marker positions with the scan to predict where the scan is gonna be

vital yarrow
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if you can call the one scan seed you see most "common", we got a different rarer scan build two attempts in a row, including our e2 duo clear

civic wave
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"with the scan" meaning that you discover the scan from correlating the other two, or that you need to correlate some scan RNG from somewhere (stealth scans or first scans in NM6) to predict scan?

vital yarrow
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ill post the vod soon so explaining makes more sence what i mean

little pilot
# civic wave "with the scan" meaning that you discover the scan from correlating the other tw...

in code that scan specifically is supposed to have only 1 scan placement. However, because the game build process breaks later in the level the game ends up selecting a set of scans. The same process which selects the scan however ALSO selects where the cell spawns and where and how markers spawn which are also supposed to be static. So by looking at how the room looks u can predict how the scan will be. This method can also be used to know prior to dropping into the level where the cell is as the game outputs a size of the navmesh for that zone which differs depending on which markers u got.

civic wave
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that was a lot of words for a 2-answer question

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almost missed the answer

tardy ingot
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cell spawn = scan set = room set go brrr

reef rock
tiny wyvern
reef rock
cerulean fjord
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anyone know how to deal with R8E2's RNG?

i kept getting robbed everytime the seed keeps changing enemies.

R8E2 solo

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the game even placed a tank beside a terminal.

sturdy glen
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the way the ppl who solod it have dealt with it is by not dealing with it

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(they just seeded the runs)

prime ore
sturdy glen
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so uhh gl or smth

prime ore
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The best thing you can do is cope if you get a fucked run

cerulean fjord
prime ore
normal granite
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afaik anyway

ripe hamlet
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Only seeded run with max booster clears for e2 atm so yeah

normal granite
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i should run R6D1 solo

grizzled patrol
crude canopy
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Is it possible to run every level solo?

cerulean fjord
crude canopy
cerulean fjord
timber shoal
# crude canopy Seeded?

you can run levels with an external plugin which allows for a level's rng items (keys, res, etc) to be predetermined before drop

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if you hear someone talking abt a logger, thats what they mean

normal granite
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itesm

timber shoal
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new keyboard 😔

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my inputs feel weird

crude canopy
timber shoal
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i'd ask someone like frosty who has more knowledge in the subject than i do, but from what i understand, some levels' solo clears are dependent on highly specific item spawns, supply efficiency boosters, or both

cerulean fjord
tiny wyvern
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But most of them will never require you to seed run to complete them

winter breach
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Only r6cx is being theorised how it has to be done

tardy ingot
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r6cx has been done

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its just that due to the ending tile enemies bug out

burnt inlet
normal granite
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are there any levels that are just flat out impossible solo?

safe cradle
normal granite
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glitchless and no oob

safe cradle
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For example: timed sequences are a pain because there's only specific combos of terminal that you can get

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Also, do you consider giant kiting a proper way of playing? What about foaming ladder?

normal granite
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i think in solo, kiting and ladder foam are fair enough

safe cradle
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Generically, if it's by those rules, just check on youtube

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Hinoki, T-nenpi have a lot of solos

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I think T-nenpi did R6CX by making fliers spawn glitched so they cap

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dunno if that counts to your premise

normal granite
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"spawn glitched"

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glitched

little pilot
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in theory every level is possible to solo glitchless and no oob

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however

burnt inlet
little pilot
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some such as r8e2 require boosters and seeded

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some such as r6cx have only been theorized to be possible

safe cradle
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I've no idea if that's glitchless by the speedrunning definition of it because I've no interest in speedrunning

burnt inlet
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Assuming speedrun rules and glitchless Nop

tardy ingot
#

which fun fact

would be fine under src rules (see r8c1)

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its just that in r8c1 you can easily kill those guys if you arent speedrunning

normal granite
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eva is a knower

giga brain

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always forget just how much you have in there

burnt inlet
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Eva has a rock collection

normal granite
#

rocks are cool

frail heart
#

You long kite but yeah

frail heart
steep ivy
#

how much melee damage do you need to stack to be able to 1 hit giant with hammer?

remote ginkgo
#

math could be wrong here but with franks having a 3x occiput multiplier with 120 health and hammer doing 20 charged, +100% would lead to occiput one-tap on full charge?

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max increase from boosters is i believe 105% for melee damage

frail heart
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That’s what I wudda did

remote ginkgo
#

dats da technique

tardy ingot
winter breach
burnt inlet
frail heart
#

Fent

uneven kiln
frail heart
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Ya

undone raven
#

Best main for nightmares besides hel auto pistol, hel shotgun, sawed off, or hel revo?

grizzled patrol
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if you get enough on the bubble it can 1tap it

undone raven
#

Zlawg I said BESIDES sawed off

grizzled patrol
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dmr, but its scratching the bottom of the barrel

burnt inlet
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machine piss

ripe hamlet
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how would dmr and dtr go into nightmare

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it kinda rough

grizzled patrol
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rough, but better than other options

tardy ingot
#

slug can do well into small amounts

ripe hamlet
#

yeah i think slug is probably your best bet

burnt inlet
#

SLUG SNIPER CONFIRMED R8E2 LOADOUT

ripe hamlet
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im not sure if automatic and hope for stagger is a good strats

undone raven
burnt inlet
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sniper is better than revo duh

undone raven
#

I was thinking dtr and dmt are the best but want sure

grizzled patrol
grizzled patrol
undone raven
#

I'm typing on a phone, give me a break

timber shoal
#

double map tifle

grizzled patrol
undone raven
#

Dedicated marksman thing

burnt inlet
#

digital market tile

undone raven
civic wave
#

isn't dmt a hallucinogen

undone raven
#

It's like the stuff in weed, no?

grizzled patrol
burnt inlet
#

ofc malefic knows it

civic wave
grizzled patrol
timber shoal
burnt inlet
undone raven
grizzled patrol
burnt inlet
#

cognitive behavioural therapy surely

timber shoal
burnt inlet
#

dihherapy

raven copper
#

I need some dihherapy

ocean spindle
#

cognitive behavioural guhhrapy

runic roost
#

You should try some Malefic

remote ginkgo
undone raven
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gtfo is the WORST game to take hard drugs while playing

hard nexus
#

i didnt even think of gtfo tbh

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played deep rock and risk of rain

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i should have picked hazard 1

remote ginkgo
hard nexus
#

risk of rain goes hard with dynamic fov change tho

remote ginkgo
hard nexus
#

i played hazard 2

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could barely uhh do anything

remote ginkgo
#

faaair

hard nexus
#

but hoxxes 4 is alive breathing planet

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im not sure if its actually animated if u focus on it or i hallucinated that

normal granite
#

we should do some haz 5+

runic roost
safe cradle
prime ore
prime ore
hard nexus
#

meet u in rogue core maybe

normal granite
#

what is DRGS lol

hard nexus
#

survivor

normal granite
#

meh

hard nexus
#

unironically best in the genre

clever birch
#

Is it technically possible to survive solo?

ocean spindle
#

the non-exploit way is for very very progamers

wet bear
#

You need to gather food, wood for fire, stone for some beginner instruments, and you can survive

clever birch
ocean spindle
clever birch
ocean spindle
#

so it kinda like goes and comes

#

difficulty is non linear in this game

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each rundown has its own

#

is r6cx still not soloable

tardy ingot
#

the game is never impossible solo (btw solo with and without bots is a noteable distinction) but a few levels are incredibly improbable and a ton are just very boring gameplay loops (kiting)

wet bear
tardy ingot
# ocean spindle is r6cx still not soloable

its not that it isnt soloable... its that enemies get stuck without the player having to intentionally cause it. So it was always ranked as "not done without stuck enemies"

ocean spindle
#

ohh

#

so its technically like exploit

#

well that is funkier than i thought

wet bear
#

Devs caused it

ocean spindle
#

yeah like - i thought it was r7e1 sryle where u get meatbol stuck

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and thats how u win

tardy ingot
#

og r6cx (dx) only had solos with players intentionally getting flyers stuck

patent mulch
tardy ingot
#

or use a mod to fix it

wet bear
#

Technically you can slam custom vanity backpack as a locker and clear game by moving through textures because it will have a physical body that pushes you under certain angles, though needs some practice on controlling the force

ocean spindle
#

what

wet bear
ocean spindle
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i didnt ger anything from that block of text

#

might as well be portuguese

wet bear
# ocean spindle i didnt ger anything from that block of text

Ehhh you can kinda slam locker as a vanity item in backpacks, but it will retain it's physical properties kinda, so with that equipped and looking at certain angles it starts doing weird things with character literally slamming you into wall or flying, upon death you ascend to heaven

frail heart
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Afaik

ocean spindle
#

damn

frail heart
#

E2 was the closest to not being possible

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But is still possible

ocean spindle
#

ok show off i see u doing spam of ur run /j

frail heart
#

Spam like the meat

undone raven
ocean spindle
frail heart
#

Alonso I need English

#

What the fuck

#

Why did slendo autocorrect to Alonso

ocean spindle
#

ALONSO

#

fucking ALONSO

#

alonso

#

🐟

civic wave
#

jajajajaja

#

alanso

wet bear
civic wave
#

jajajaja

ocean spindle
prime musk
#

lfg any at least decent level

tender bay
prime musk
#

bad lvl

tender bay
fathom ice
#

@prime musk go pub

prime musk
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dieeeeeee ok sure

crude elk
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was there a setting to affect the scan lines btw

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like someone in my group says he cant see them

ocean spindle
crude elk
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is it more bug or a setting issue

ocean spindle
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tldr bug with a drive i believe

crude elk
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ill check

ocean spindle
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making it like un-update fixes but

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also modding fix exists

crude elk
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we're mostly vanilla so rather not

ocean spindle
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theres levels u cannot even try with certain hardware

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cuz it crashes

uneven kiln
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update driver

uneven kiln
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especially with AMD architecture

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you literally wont be able to play on some setups without fixes

ocean spindle
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ah ok so modding fix does not exists

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weird thought i saw it

uneven kiln
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it's gone now because the AMD driver update exists

normal granite
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@crude elk get your friend to update drivers to 25.10.2 or newer, or 25.4.1 and older

digital mural
normal granite
upbeat flame
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chat does anyone know if trio trials exists, or like a modded rundown for just 3 people

ripe hamlet
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updating driver to fix one issue is such a gamble though

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its one of my most dreaded activities

ripe hamlet
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its either solo duo or full squad

prime musk
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duo trials will likely be very challenging for your group anyways, and is still content made for lowman

cerulean fjord
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Will society inside an HSU accept you if you say the N word close to a group of Chargers?

normal granite
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try it and find out

cerulean fjord
# normal granite try it and find out

good news, i said the N word it to a group of chargers with a charger scout in R3D1.

and guess what, they all rushed to Dauda and violated him in the process.

prime ore
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Friendly fire

cerulean fjord
ocean spindle
median glacier
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Hey am i to understand that Veruta is more centered towards horde clear and Kulst 6 for like big boi damage?

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I also never hear anyone talk about Arbalist

fathom ice
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i mean youre not wrong

median glacier
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i was just mainly curious, didn't knwo if there were other use cases for arbalist i didn't know, testing it, it just feels like a worse veruta

fathom ice
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it is VERY bad you are correct