gtfo-related-questions

[timber shoal]

kms

[tiny sapphire]

sniper is 94

[remote plaza]

no one ever attempted and submited it so you can get a wr

[timber shoal]

if there's ever a situation where you're shooting from more than 55 meters away thats kinda fuckin insane lmao

[timber shoal]

there's plenty of runs out there

[remote plaza]

but none submitted

for both glitched and glitchless there are no clears

[timber shoal]

yeah i suppose

[tiny sapphire]

speaking of R2D2 shooting the scout completely across the room is a good example

[timber shoal]

in donut room i presume

[tiny sapphire]

yeah of course

[timber shoal]

p sure thats like

actually give me a moment and i'll check

[tiny sapphire]

is there a way to know?

[remote plaza]

i cant even remember scouts on r2d2

[timber shoal]

assuming 55m is where damage falloff fucks it

yeah

[tiny sapphire]

I just assumed the ranges were vibes based

[timber shoal]

[[Weapons]]

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Weapons

[tiny sapphire]

is there a way to know how far across a room a shot is?

[remote plaza]

not really unles you manage to get a ping on something close and get an aproximate

[tiny sapphire]

yeah okay, that's what I thought, vibes based ranging lol

[timber shoal]

r4c2 has donut room first thing

imma pop in with a sentry and check the distance

[tiny sapphire]

yeah if you can tell me how far the doughnut is I'll have a good idea of how far everything else is honestly

[timber shoal]

if you're pressed up against the wall the other wall furthest from you is 62m away

[tiny sapphire]

the inside of the hole you mean

yeah that's honestly kind of what I assumed it was about 65

[timber shoal]

where im standing to where the cursor is

is 62m

[tiny sapphire]

okay so outside walls not inside

[timber shoal]

yes

[tiny sapphire]

yeah that's good to know, so hel rifle can only do a backshot on a scout across a doughnut

unless you have like what, uhh 15%+ booster

then you could normal shot, that's pretty good

[timber shoal]

hold on

im trying to calculate what's necessary

[tiny sapphire]

normal range on a scout is 55m, 68m on occiput

[timber shoal]

alr

[tiny sapphire]

15% would be like 63m and some change on the head

it's a shame how much I hate the delay when you shoot with it though

[timber shoal]

you get used to it pretty quickly

[remote plaza]

its the shortest one of hel weapons i think

[tiny sapphire]

yeah hel gun is pretty horrid

[remote plaza]

WHAT

[timber shoal]

🥺

[tiny sapphire]

scope is bad, delay is bad

[timber shoal]

dont slander my beloved

[tiny sapphire]

only thing good are the stats lol

[timber shoal]

yeah

the part that matters lmao

[remote plaza]

bullpup looks good and has cool optics

but stats arent great

[timber shoal]

i like how bullpup feels in a vacuum

[tiny sapphire]

slug shotgun is amazing except ammo efficiency

[remote plaza]

i think longest charge up is burst cannon

[timber shoal]

i do like slug

[timber shoal]

yeppers

[remote plaza]

or is it one of the mg

oh ok

[timber shoal]

methinks anyway

yeah its bc

.7 seconds compared to .4 for both mg

[remote plaza]

first time i used it i felt pain when trying to shoot

[timber shoal]

yeah deffo has a learning curve

its such a goated weapon though

[remote plaza]

yeah pretty strong damage wise

[timber shoal]

its like a higher skill ceiling hel rifle which does better with giants and boss clear than with smalls generally

[tiny sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-the-you-cant-handle-the-truth-gif-12563764

[timber shoal]

hel gun is s tier vro

[remote plaza]

not even an opinion, just a fact

[timber shoal]

yeah

game balance isnt based off feel

[remote plaza]

sadly

[timber shoal]

its based off of stats

[remote plaza]

cause i really like the pistol

[timber shoal]

and the hel gun fucks shit up

[timber shoal]

oh absolutely

[remote plaza]

im still sticking to my hel rifle or scatter gun

i get sent to the front to either die or kill

[timber shoal]

i wish the game balance was better so i could justify picking some of my fav weapons more often

[raven copper]

hel rifle is 10x better when you learn to no scope with it

[timber shoal]

or running some weapons at all lmao

[timber shoal]

yeppers

[remote plaza]

i think there are some weapons i never even used

[timber shoal]

daddy's still got it

[raven copper]

always

[remote plaza]

r4c1?

[raven copper]

pen no scopes are jus a natural occurrence for me now

[timber shoal]

i've got several labs to wrap up i fear

[remote plaza]

no worries

[timber shoal]

actually

[remote plaza]

i got all tuesday free so i can play tomorrow night and all day

[timber shoal]

nah it shouldnt take too long lwk

[raven copper]

call me labs the way I want to be wrapped up by you

[remote plaza]

im not gonna tell you to hurry just to play, take your time and do it

[timber shoal]

i dont even have the values i need for one, so i just need to do my conclusions page + the outline for another

[timber shoal]

bars :3

also yes please

[remote plaza]

at gork do my hw

[raven copper]

Google Ai my beloved

[timber shoal]

took me a second to decipher that lmao

[remote plaza]

i cant even use ai for my hw

i have to draw big ass buildings

[raven copper]

well your uni actually jus hates you so its unfort xd

[remote plaza]

yeah just me

rest of students get 4 days off every week

finals in the next week after ts one🔥

but r4 more important

[raven copper]

yk what

I fw the dedication

[remote plaza]

im dedicated to finish at least till like r6

before i go on holiday

or even r7

[raven copper]

both those rundowns are goated dw

[remote plaza]

yeah but r5 in the way

i plan on not skipping any level

[raven copper]

r5 is interesting

[remote plaza]

so ive heard

[raven copper]

got alot of trash but some golds

[remote plaza]

i have r5b2 completed

no memory of when and how

[burnt inlet]

I foresee a bad future for myself

[remote plaza]

not just for you

[raven copper]

arent you supposed to be asleep moth....

[burnt inlet]

Yes

[remote plaza]

w completion map

[burnt inlet]

There’s like 3 missions I could play again in R5😭

[remote plaza]

no secondary or pe?

[sudden nexus]

r5a1 😴

[burnt inlet]

PE

[remote plaza]

i do need to replay some r4 ones

[burnt inlet]

Pub

[burnt inlet]

I got the good kind of 3 am thoughts :3

[ocean spindle]

moth currently flustereds

[remote plaza]

i did only main of a3 and b1

cause i did them solo

[burnt inlet]

If you only knew

[ocean spindle]

no need to know more

[burnt inlet]

🥀 those are ez iirc

[burnt inlet]

Big true

[ocean spindle]

mains on A and B tiers on rr5 are like r4
super short usually and v quick

[remote plaza]

a3 is pitch black no resources one

[ocean spindle]

not much to them

[burnt inlet]

Remove R5

And I agree

[remote plaza]

and b1 is cell one plus reactor secondary

[burnt inlet]

Oh

Main

Nvm

[ocean spindle]

oh those are r4 ones

r4a3 is not pitchblack tho

well sec is

[timber shoal]

sec

[remote plaza]

r4a3 main is comedically short

[burnt inlet]

I hve some speeds on trios for it

[timber shoal]

me core

[remote plaza]

diff short but yeah

also do your hw dodo

[timber shoal]

fineeeee

[remote plaza]

smh this younglings procrastinating

[burnt inlet]

I think it’s my fault ngl

[remote plaza]

dude go to bed

you have school tomorrow

[burnt inlet]

Fuck you think I’ve been trying for the past 4+ hours

[remote plaza]

then try harder

[burnt inlet]

Its hard (those who snow)

[rapid warren]

can some1 reteach me the game

🥺

[remote plaza]

put the phone away

[rapid warren]

starting from r1a1

[remote plaza]

and go to bed

telling this kids to do their hw and go to bed... smh

[timber shoal]

lets play r5e1

[burnt inlet]

Dude my phone has essentially been out of my room

For 4 hours

Istg

[keen seal]

with this here sleeping aid it won't be

[remote plaza]

get off the puter

[burnt inlet]

:33333333333

[rapid warren]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/561166229088501760/1042178037879427162/3x.gif

[burnt inlet]

Im not on the puter

[remote plaza]

tf you typing on

[rapid warren]

i just died to r6a1 solo

💀 r5e1 might be a tad bit of a stretch

[burnt inlet]

My phone

[burnt inlet]

Madcuzbad

[timber shoal]

exoad actually playing gtfo instead of telling people to delete the game

revolutionary

[rapid warren]

please fucking uninstall this game

[remote plaza]

there we go

[burnt inlet]

Op mb

[raven copper]

but my pookies play it :[

[remote plaza]

sniff uninstall the game

[rapid warren]

ball twist

[remote plaza]

your times over pops

[timber shoal]

yes please

[burnt inlet]

Sniff exploited one too many bugs

[rapid warren]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-kissing-cute-dog-hot-as-hell-yes-yes-yes-gif-21743520

[raven copper]

STAP

[burnt inlet]

Dodo and I I mean uhhh

Uhhh

[rapid warren]

ok

[timber shoal]

sniff trying to go 1 hour without silent shooting

[burnt inlet]

Yeaaa that’s dinner right there

[burnt inlet]

Frfr

[timber shoal]

:3

[burnt inlet]

:333333

[rapid warren]

🙏 inshallah pls uninstall the game moth

[burnt inlet]

Mashallah i found this game

[remote plaza]

sniff is there any bug you havent abused?

or mod?

[burnt inlet]

Maybe drop in freeze bug

Cuz you have to be host for that

[remote plaza]

we gonna force him to host so he can do it

[raven copper]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-meme-skeleton-fire-zz-gif-2672574253704646677

[burnt inlet]

Big true

[raven copper]

im not a door bug abuser cause thats cringe as hell

[remote plaza]

so you just abuse every other bug?

[raven copper]

only bug i abuse is silent shooting

[remote plaza]

cringeeee

[raven copper]

😭😭😭

[remote plaza]

all bugs are cringe

only when i exploit them they are not

[timber shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hornet-silly-dance-silly-silksong-dance-hornet-gif-2177796896695813667

even her????

[remote plaza]

hornet a baddie

[sudden nexus]

the things i would let her do to me with that needle........

[raven copper]

https://tenor.com/view/shaw-silksong-shaw-mewing-hollow-knight-hollow-knight-hornet-gif-10701033448015821325

[remote plaza]

so true

[timber shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-silksong-yes-hornet-nodding-gif-13688305274507930242

[raven copper]

https://tenor.com/view/the-knight-hollow-knight-hornet-silksong-big-shoes-gif-9566239119138647431

[remote plaza]

the knight tuff as hell

[sudden nexus]

feet 🤤

@ocean lance

[raven copper]

toes even.....

[timber shoal]

no voice to speak? nah they just aurafarming

they just nonchalant like that

[remote plaza]

i dont talk to be like them fr fr

[raven copper]

I don't talk sometimes cause im lowkey autistic, we arent the same🗣💯

[remote plaza]

you low k autistic im high k autistic, we are not the same

[raven copper]

yk what you got me there

well played

[sudden nexus]

this is so real

[raven copper]

going nonverbal at the function is a way of life for me

[tiny sapphire]

Beat R4C3, I'm so glad to be done with that level forever

[timber shoal]

goated

[burnt inlet]

That levels good though 😔

[tiny sapphire]

is it though

[timber shoal]

yeah

pretty decent for an r4 level

better than average

[tiny sapphire]

way too much lead-up, could be way shorter

[timber shoal]

eh

its like an hour and twenty

if you push first rooms and infectious fog quick it keeps things going

[tiny sapphire]

levels with difficulty just weighted on the end is dumb, it just punishes not reading the wiki. R2E1 is this exact problem

[timber shoal]

i can see it

r2e1 is more poorly designed than c3 though

in my opinion anyway

[tiny sapphire]

r2e1 is awful

[timber shoal]

actually not more poorly designed

thats a bad way to put it

i'd generally rather play c3 over e1

is a better way to frame it

[tiny sapphire]

it's a cheap trick to add time to progging the level

[timber shoal]

eh

[dapper kestrel]

you can at least play c3 faster/harder by doing ovl first and skipping 2nd cell

[timber shoal]

i dont think its meant to fuck you over at the end, i see it as more of a difficulty rampup

starts slow, builds with shadow stealth, charger error adds more tensions until the scary rooms and whatnot

r2e1 has a difficulty spike, sure, but realistically first alarns and whatnot go by relatively quickly

its by no means what i would consider a super fun level

but lik

not that bad

[ripe hamlet]

What if you like carrying four heavy objects while running away from scaling error

[burnt inlet]

nah i enjoy the different objectives being different in difficulty, if youre talking about tank blood door its not that bad since you can keep one guy holding charger waves and 3 people team up against one tank

is generally fine

[final terrace]

they're talking about R2E1 not R4C3 though

[tiny sapphire]

Tank blood door is a complete non-issue. It's just big main objective room + charger alarms with not a lot of resources if you're not ready, going slow just compounds the issue

If you're just doing main, the level is fine I'm sure but we only do PE

R4C3 was bearable, just like way too much prelude to the meat of the mission. So much backtracking and stopping to ping etc. R2E1 can get lost lol

[tardy ingot]

If difficulty wasnt allowed to be at the end then the endings would become boring and somewhat predictable

[burnt inlet]

original was C3

[final terrace]

oh ic

[tardy ingot]

R4C3PE rly only has 1 backtrack (for overload) if you do the standard route

If you rly dont like that theres ovl -> sec -> main

But even going sec first its not that long tbf as a prelude

R2E1 is also not rly that bad. I dont think the level is that great. But rly the only thing id change is removing the class 4 alarm… its not an issue and just wastes time

[burnt inlet]

idk if id say you should be going slow at the R4C3 PE stage, maybe if youve been carried but you have to skill progg at one point

[stoic hedge]

frankly the name of the game wouldn't work if there weren't scary difficult endings to missions

[tardy ingot]

ya

some of the best parts are the challenging endings

[burnt inlet]

i think for experienced players you start to like R2E1 due to the fact that you can reliably get through the error which makes it less of a bash head against it (making it so you can actually enjoy the level) whilst "newbies" usually cant get through error part mostly due to not knowing how to play around it (specifically play fast)

[tiny sapphire]

the first time you're exposed to new parts of a level you are going to go slow compared to once you know what's going on, unless you just read the wiki beforehand. We've done all PE from 1-1 to R4C3 so I guess "skill issue"

[burnt inlet]

mmm i wouldnt say youre gonna go slow the first time, quick stealthing makes you gain majority of the time lost when playing which you almost always can scale to every level

[tiny sapphire]

super long windups that are low difficulty with a hard ending are tedious to prog in my opinion and a cheap trick for extending duration of play

[tardy ingot]

But where is the long windup in r4c3

[tiny sapphire]

everything before the main room at the end is almost trivial

[tardy ingot]

you have 1 alarm
then secondary I guess

Overload is fast as hell and now you in the endgame

[fathom ice]

yea but like u get to pick ur poison

u can do ov first exchanging speed for difficulty

[tiny sapphire]

it's just an hour of busywork to play the ending

doing overload first isn't that much faster, you skip a single room

[stoic hedge]

gtfo isn't really the kind of game to give you first-try blind clears, tbf
you're meant to have to plan out a strategy every now and then, potentially tweak your loadout, etc.

[tiny sapphire]

(with a really easy class 6)

Yeah....that's what I'm saying. And when they put all of it at the end blind clearing can be tedious

[stoic hedge]

personally I didn't have any issues with the last big main room when I did the mission, it was moreso just underestimating the charger error in general and not grabbing enough ammo
once we made a point to take everything even if it takes a while longer, the ending was smooth

[burnt inlet]

It gives you first try blind clears if you’re good enough, most A-B tiers (when i was bad) i did on my first or second try with bots, Tbf though they are generally easier levels

[stoic hedge]

yea, it's some Cs and Ds that turn into a bit of a puzzle game

[fathom ice]

u skip an entire alarm and a zone

like hello?

[burnt inlet]

I think having patience for a second or third try is fair enough for GTFO, but also generally you can run the same loadout and beat 90%+ of the game

[sturdy glen]

youre also forced to play quickly so its kinda artificially sped up

[fathom ice]

and u also get to enter without backtracking

ov

yea

[tardy ingot]

you cant just say that 4 alarms take 1 hour

And then 1 alarm takes no time

[tiny sapphire]

that class 6 is probably like the second easiset alarm in that entire map

and you get tons of resources for doing it

[tardy ingot]

you get resources for all alarms in the level

[tiny sapphire]

I'm not entirely sure what you're even trying to argue with me about, that I didn't find the beginning of the level tedious?

[stoic hedge]

still takes a while though
and you gotta carry a cell roughly similar distance in both routes

[burnt inlet]

Genuine question do you backtrack to grab res before alarms?

[tiny sapphire]

if we need it we'll grab it in the rooms as we go but we're not doing anything wild

[fathom ice]

it'

s not the point

point is you don't spend time on it

[tiny sapphire]

if you need me to list a level I would say is NOT tedious with the difficulty ramp R2D2 is a great level

[fathom ice]

correct

[tiny sapphire]

R2E1 I would say is the MOST

[tardy ingot]

R2D2 is just long tbh

[final terrace]

R2D2 is probably one of my least favourite levels lol

[tardy ingot]

R5D1

R4C2

[burnt inlet]

I think its more so that a jump in difficulty at the end of a level is fine enough

[tiny sapphire]

R4C2 wasn't that bad, and obviously we're not past R4D1 now

[tardy ingot]

R4C2 is the prime example of tedious easy level

And then near ending you have a difficulty bump

of 4 surges

[tiny sapphire]

if you have turrets the surges aren't bad at all

[burnt inlet]

R4C2 PE is way worse than R4C3 PE in terms of difficulty ramp

[tardy ingot]

what

moth

the fuck

[final terrace]

I think my group first tried 4C2PE and we've died on 4C3PE like at least half a dozen times lmao

[burnt inlet]

Combined its a class 12 iirc

[tardy ingot]

Yea C3 is harder than C2

noteably so

[burnt inlet]

Meant difficulty ramp

[tiny sapphire]

the only time we had problems was one time we forgot to bring fogpellers or the turbine and then we all got max infection in the surge alarm and then the bot went down in the fog and that was the end of that

but if you have like any fogpellers and set up turrets for us it was pretty nice

[burnt inlet]

But like R4C2 is like doing nothing into three class 4 surges

R2E1 has at least a couple of surges before error surge

[final terrace]

oh you meant the spike is worse

[stoic hedge]

surge alarm stacking my beloved

[tiny sapphire]

yeah the difference is I don't find the surges that bad

it's not hard to blind prog

[fathom ice]

its not the surges really

you have 15 glps

and then u have 2 ids

and then u have a datasphere

[burnt inlet]

Yea

[fathom ice]

like it's just a lot of nothing burgers forcing you to go around a huge map

which is tedious

[tiny sapphire]

yeah it's also a lot of busywork, but the ending isn't as horrible it's just don't open allt he doors before you pull the surge alarm

[fathom ice]

ye

[tiny sapphire]

remember to bring a fogpeller and put your turret down

[fathom ice]

datasphere carry is a BIT scary

[burnt inlet]

I don’t know if id say datasphere is that bad

Biotracker

And its like half free

[tiny sapphire]

walking out with the cactus wasn't as bad as I expected it would be

[burnt inlet]

Close doors behind and mine when you run back or whatever

[tiny sapphire]

we just walked out with it, no special anything

[burnt inlet]

Tbf i did R4C2 PE with foam + mines which might be why i had a bit of issues with the surges

[tiny sapphire]

we do almost everything these days with 1 burst 2 shotgun and a bot on scanner

[burnt inlet]

Sentry?

[tiny sapphire]

yes

[burnt inlet]

Like 1 burst sentry 2 shotgun sentries?

[tiny sapphire]

yes

[burnt inlet]

🙏

[tardy ingot]

not the shotgun sentries

[burnt inlet]

They fucking suck lmao 😭

[tiny sapphire]

yeah you meta haters in here

[fathom ice]

nah it's like

[tiny sapphire]

they're not bad if you actually use them right

[tardy ingot]

no more like

[fathom ice]

if you make a stop

[burnt inlet]

META HATERS 😭😭

[fathom ice]

or you slow down

and you get caught

[tardy ingot]

Shotgun sentry is that bad

[fathom ice]

it's REALLY bad

[tardy ingot]

No they are lol

[burnt inlet]

Yea but I don’t get where you would stop generally

[tiny sapphire]

I would argue if you are in a bad situation the shotgun sentries are the MOST useful

[tardy ingot]

??

no

[burnt inlet]

Team no way this isn’t rage bait

[fathom ice]

nah u can get front spawns which slow u down

[tardy ingot]

hel auto sentry does anything you think shotgun sentry would do

But actually does that

[fathom ice]

and if someone goes down it's also a slow down

[tardy ingot]

yea if you get full cap in a tight hallway it can be a bit scary for sure

[burnt inlet]

Kinda true but like i had 2 people run forwards and bio protect datasphere

And 2 people against shadow error isnt that bad imo

[tardy ingot]

Idk if youve actually looked at shotgun sentry doing its thing

Its not doing well

[burnt inlet]

And bio against shadow error is like giga free

[stoic hedge]

as much as shotgun sentry can sometimes pop the hell off and solo like 70% of an alarm, it wastes so much ammo in vanilla that it's a massive ammo sink

[tiny sapphire]

it's fine if you place it so it doesn't blow all it's shot early

[burnt inlet]

Only problem becomes if data or bio goes down

But generally that doesn’t happen

[tardy ingot]

misses a ton
Even if it hits it still doesnt have good dmg so it doesnt kill well
If it kills it often shoots the dead body doing nothing with the shot

[tardy ingot]

See above message

[tiny sapphire]

I've heard all these complaints before and it kills more enemies faster then the other 3 turrets

[burnt inlet]

The like 3 times ive had shotgun sentry on my team ive been downed by it several times

[burnt inlet]

Killing quickly =/= good

[tardy ingot]

shotgun sentry SOMETIMES gambles into being good into striker waves

Ive seen it land 6-7 kills in a row very luckily

Same placement then also hit 0 kills in 6 shots right after…

[tiny sapphire]

then stop stepping in front of it

[tardy ingot]

not rly lol

[tiny sapphire]

yes really, especially if they're big strikers, hybrids, giant chargers, etc

[tardy ingot]

Fun fact it does 4x friendly fire dmg instead of 2x

Not a big issue but also not helping it obviously still

[tardy ingot]

LOL

NAH

you dont seem to know the values at all

Sniper sentry mauls chargers/giants

[burnt inlet]

Dude it was placed where id get lines otherwise with hel rifle, Tbf two of those times were throwers but people place it facing choke points and if i need space or run away i have to go thru a shotgun sentry

[stoic hedge]

the thing is you rarely need a sentry to do the majority of the killing, that's what your two guns with a brain using them are for
sentries miss and don't use their ammo optimally, they're typically better and much more efficient as supportive fire

[tardy ingot]

shotgun sentry? Not at all

[burnt inlet]

Sniper sentry 2 shots giants iirc

[tardy ingot]

If you want a sentry to kill a massive wave youd also use hel auto sentry

Cuz it actually benefits from back dmg and has pen

Figures why its used in speedruns if we get massive waves behind us

[tardy ingot]

yes
3 shots bbcs aswell

[tiny sapphire]

I guess we use them differently then because we've had no issue with them for like almost 4 rundowns. We used to run 3x until probably like end of 3, so we can use one on an "easy" side

[stoic hedge]

hel auto sentry is certainly a phenomenon yeah

[tardy ingot]

You can win with anything

Its still the worst tool by far

[tiny sapphire]

sniper shoots too slow when you need it most

[tardy ingot]

sniper is used for when you have the right setup

[tiny sapphire]

burst gets no bonus to bioscan but is good on ammo for small guys, but shotgun is good when you need it to hold something

[tardy ingot]

theres rarely a moment where the only enemies (chargers and || nightmares || ) that the burst struggles into are common and you dont have either long sight lines or doors for mines/foam

[tardy ingot]

Im telling you its just not doing as much as you think it does

Shooting dead bodies and missing are actual problems

If you rly have a wave that massive that 3 bursts wouldnt do anything/enough

Then hel auto sentry

Outvalues shotgun by a mile

[tiny sapphire]

it does a lot, what we did find that was interesting is a turret on the far side of the door doesn't prolong door survival since 1 guy can almost always be in the "Bang on door" slot

[tardy ingot]

yes
A single enemy breaks a door as fast as 50

it doesnt do a lot

[stoic hedge]

at the very least I'd definitely encourage your group to just try out HEL Auto aimed for back shots and see how it feels in comparison

[burnt inlet]

No bonus =/= bad either, burst sentry is one of the most well rounded due to it being so ammo efficient

[tiny sapphire]

literally what I said

[stoic hedge]

also, wait, it does have pen? I thought I heard that was always bugged and never worked

[tardy ingot]

Shotgun sentry basically is a gambling sentry at best

Its average output is awful
Its horribly inefficient
it has horrible coverage dmg wise

You can luck into it insta killing strikers rarely. But you can just as much have it shoot 8 times with 1-2 kills tops

[burnt inlet]

Yea but shotgun sentry is like not efficient at all, either misses or kills corpses due to it firing too fast

[fathom ice]

hel auto has two pen

[final terrace]

I love gambling :D

[tardy ingot]

Hel auto pen was bugged early on after the change

Then got fixed

[stoic hedge]

oh, grand

[burnt inlet]

I can dm you about the pen bug

[tiny sapphire]

it's bad if you're bad with it maybe. I've been here enough times to know how much you like to jerk off about how bad it is

[low grove]

Whats a good loadout for soloing (its going badly)

[tiny sapphire]

It has limitations that you have to play around

[tardy ingot]

Shotgun sentry is bad

Similar to spear (tho at least you dont give up noteably stronger tool slots for it)

[fathom ice]

what level

[low grove]

😭thats what i have been trying to use, mines were good but always fail me during class 4 alarms

[tardy ingot]

Sure

You guys figured out shotgun sentry being goated
The hundreds plus hours of testing it from veterans and more def didnt figure out how it works…

[stoic hedge]

I want to like Shotgun sentry in vanilla but despite giving it so many chances I always come back to the same takeaways that have been raised here when actually observing it

[low grove]

Rundown 1 💀

[tiny sapphire]

I didn't say it was goated I said it was good at what it does

[tardy ingot]

we meme about it

Because its this bad for no reason

[stoic hedge]

I think it's a decent bit better in VanillaReloaded but that's a mod

[fathom ice]

no like level

a1 b1 etc

[low grove]

r1a1

[tardy ingot]

Its supposed to kill

Which it struggles with

Its supposed to have decent ammo reserves

Which it fucks up by missing and hitting dead bodies

[low grove]

i got nobody as masochistic as me to play with lol

[tardy ingot]

Have you not seen shotgun sentry genuinely shoot a dead striker 2 or even 3 times before

thats shots wasted for nothing

[primal arrow]

7d2 solo best tool recommend pls

[tardy ingot]

No other sentry does that

[tiny sapphire]

Good thing it gets what, a third of it's shots for free

[tardy ingot]

(Well sniper did when it was giga fast like 3 years ago)

[low grove]

threads would be useful for this chat imo

[tardy ingot]

half when biod

But when biod it also shoots consistently into dead bodies

Like how do you think thats a defense????

[fathom ice]

foam sawed off and like any special

[tardy ingot]

4 foam

[tiny sapphire]

because the other half of the time it's shooting into live bodies?

[primal arrow]

solo!!!

[tardy ingot]

And missing
Or hitting and not killing

[primal arrow]

sniper and burst feels meh :/

[tardy ingot]

4 foam (no guns)

[low grove]

you would think a shotgun has the spread to hit everything

[tiny sapphire]

you guys get so wound up about a turret you don't even use

[tardy ingot]

Gives out examples why shotgun sentry is bad -> wound up

[fathom ice]

sawed off / 4 worst specials / sniper sentry

[low grove]

i first tried foam but the horde after the door broke down killed me

[tardy ingot]

It actually has the spread to hit multiple things

But it aims for head so it aims too high

It also doesnt rly have good dmg so it would prefer 1 shotting enemies (smalls). But it misses so it doesnt

[sturdy glen]

sniper sentry

[primal arrow]

where to place sniper sentry in like the gen room?

[fathom ice]

first bridge and then anywere

[stoic hedge]

ultimately you can run whatever sentry you like, nobody can force you off Shotgun
we can only inform you of its many downsides which make up the reason why it's rarely used

[low grove]

devs should have made it aim at the COM (center of mass) of the horde

[stoic hedge]

VanillaReloaded does this, iirc
also slows down the firerate so it shoots dead bodies less, lmao

[tiny sapphire]

The way we use them (with 2 or even 3) we're never dying for tool ammo, and they hold doors like we need them to when we need them to. And they don't let guys through the way bursts or Snipers would

[tardy ingot]

Vanillareloaded fixes its issues decently well ya

[low grove]

i guess ill stream my ultimate skill issue

[tiny sapphire]

and that's from people who actually use them

[tardy ingot]

ive used shotgun sentry a ton…

guess why I know what it does

[fathom ice]

yeah u can find e mine

both in first zone / class 2 zone for both your doors

[low grove]

rng 😭

[fathom ice]

second one I think is guaranteed pmuch but first one is not really so just reset a bunch

[low grove]

ill try your suggestion

[tardy ingot]

ngl if you wanna try r1a1 solo

Dont rng reset for mines

Burst sentry (or even hel auto) and practice

[timber trout]

we tried to use shotgun sentries when started playing too, but for surges and high enemy mass ha sentry is just always better
for everything else burst is enough and has better ammo economy

[tardy ingot]

^

[low grove]

the badly placed mine that self killed me because i am stupid:

[tardy ingot]

and sniper actually deals with anything that isnt a small

[tiny sapphire]

putting turrets on a door for surges is a waste, you just respawn them quicker

[low grove]

first room has no spawns! (i accidentally shot my gun, this will go awesome)

[tardy ingot]

huh

when do you ever put turrets on a closed door

[tiny sapphire]

I didn't say closed door but please continue

[timber trout]

i remember we switched shotgun to hell in r2e1 after seeing it in someones vod
it literally almost solo carries second to last surge, shotgun is not even remotly close to be capable of killing that much enemies

[tardy ingot]

Idk why youd say doors at all then

[tiny sapphire]

yeah r2e1 is cancer

[tardy ingot]

^

Around the time pen got fixed hel auto sentry basically became what shotgun sentry should be intended to be

[tiny sapphire]

because that's where you usually put shotgun turrets

[tardy ingot]

which is weird for both sentrys to be in these states

Hel auto - intended for stagger and longevity. Runs out semi quick and kills a fuck ton

Shotgun - intended for either efficiency or mass killing. Struggles noteably with both

[tardy ingot]

hel autos basically have the same placements but flipped

Killing surges is also absolutely fine

[timber trout]

i think what sune means is they are placing shotgun sentries on the opposite side of the door for it to shoot enemies trying to break through?
maybe there are some niche cases where its better, but cfoam+mines do the same thing for like not even 2 tool uses

[tiny sapphire]

I mean these feel like your projections on what they should do
I would say for us shotgun turrets are either to hold a choke temporarily and not let guys through, or an emergency multiplier in a bad situation, (eg: throw them down in front of us while scanning when we're caught from two directions.)

[tardy ingot]

thats exactly what mass killing means…

[tiny sapphire]

we used to do this but don't expect the door to last longer, it's good for keeping them there to get shot though

[low grove]

yea ima go with sentry and not sea foam

[tardy ingot]

Placing sentries on other sides of doors doesnt slow the break down (unless everything is killed)

but yes foam/mines do this noteably more efficient and effectively

[tardy ingot]

ive also asked and talked about what they should with people who decide this so like…

Id hope id know

[tardy ingot]

Yea try sentry and slowly improve at gunplay

[low grove]

i place the sentry on the outside of the door (not where i am) so the horde gets thinned when they break through
though i did think the amount of enemies would effect the break speed slightly

[tardy ingot]

Dont do that btw

Open the door and let the sentry shoot the singular guys coming in

[tiny sapphire]

you can do that just make sure it's a good position for the turret no matter what

[tardy ingot]

If you close the door youll fight more enemies at once

[low grove]

i have done some r2?a1 training where i would set off the class 4 alarm and dodge attacks

[tiny sapphire]

it kind of depends if you want them to stay out for longer or if you want more of a trickle

really depends on your individual weapons

[tardy ingot]

By placing the sentry outside you also usually give up headshots (sentrys aside from hel auto sentry dont get back dmg bonus) so they kill worse

Place a sentry in a good spot and leave the door open or if you find a mine. Place sentry inside your roam (as if the door was open) and close/mine door

[frail heart]

what is bro saying 😭🙏

[tiny sapphire]

I mean just scroll up and see the rabid replies for yourself

[tardy ingot]

The only things that impacts „break speed“ are

1. how many doors have enemies on them (since hit cooldown is global there can only ever rly be 1 hit total going on)
2. how many enemies are on each door (mostly gives higher chance for hits on the door with more enemies)
3. if foamed. Enemies clipping in to absorb foam (stupid unintentional mechanic)
4. a specific enemy that shows up later has its own hit cooldown so it can breai doors with other enemies at the same time

[tiny sapphire]

nooooo it can't be good noooo it just can't look at the math nooo

[timber trout]

do turrets have dmg falloff btw?

[cerulean fjord]

Is it possible to german suplex a normal striker when awake?

[tardy ingot]

The math
The practical testing
the genuine examples and comparisions

[frail heart]

someone PLEASE pull up the tru video

[tardy ingot]

Id usually search for it via media

But lol

No media

[frail heart]

guys chad 100 hour player vs stupid twink 3k hour virgin player

who wins

[tardy ingot]

Uuh I dont think they effectively do

Since they have limited targetting range

But they likely do coding wise id assume

[low grove]

i got sea foam grenade my beloved, should i foam up a door or just throw it into a crowd because im trying doorless now

[cerulean fjord]

anyone tried full foaming the Kraken?

[tardy ingot]

If you have a mine -> on the door

If you dont -> on the ground near the sentry or you

[tardy ingot]

Cant

1 of 4 enemies thats not foamable

[frail heart]

make that 1 of 5 when i enter the complex

[ripe hamlet]

Frosty eats up all the foams

[frail heart]

still waiting on an answer

[ripe hamlet]

100 hours obviously

[sturdy glen]

id win

[ocean lance]

id shotgun sentry

[ripe hamlet]

She shotgun on my sentry until I runs out of tool

[frail heart]

ur only a 2k hour andy

[sturdy glen]

exactly

[frail heart]

anyway what happened

i saw shotgun sentry my beloved

carrier of the fropoomi team in bingo

our lord and saviour

[sturdy glen]

can I order some ragebait in advance, I want smth to read when I wake up

[low grove]

i am now 1/3 with feelers!

[ripe hamlet]

Start some speedrun drama

[grizzled patrol]

Arthas did nothing wrong, him purging Stratholm of Namv was a righteous act

[low grove]

time to become 1/? with class 4 doors

[ripe hamlet]

This true tho

[ocean lance]

gtfo media used to be my wake up channel

[frail heart]

what

[ocean lance]

they took it from us

[frail heart]

maleifc where is e2 record

[ocean lance]

nowadays there's nothing to read

[ripe hamlet]

He has to aurafarm

[sturdy glen]

I dont do that, im famous for making other ppl do it for me

[ripe hamlet]

And become the best antagonist of the franchise

[ocean lance]

the hate 🚋

[keen seal]

yes please bring it back

[stoic hedge]

not sure if these are outdated cause iirc the spreadsheet is originally from pre-R8 and I updated what I knew was changed, but

[hardy grotto]

what abt garrosh

[low grove]

as if i had a chance!

[hardy grotto]

he was pretty based

[ocean lance]

is this wow brainrot

what is this

[fathom ice]

ye

[low grove]

hel was a w tho

[grizzled patrol]

I was partying hard on sunday, dont See any Screenshots in the group Chat 🥀

[ripe hamlet]

❌

[frail heart]

is this wow

[frail heart]

rip

[ocean lance]

of course its wow brainrot

why else would beth type in here

[frail heart]

you have to get an aussie

its a game changer

[low grove]

where should i put the hel sentry for r1a1 class 4?

[grizzled patrol]

He was a dick for starting the meltdown in Garganta

[hardy grotto]

yeah but he gave us gtfo

That’s potentially good

[final terrace]

the door, one would assume

[hardy grotto]

Or bad depending on how you look at it

[ripe hamlet]

The meltdown gives us e2

[fathom ice]

you meant

the prison

[frail heart]

rats?

[ripe hamlet]

Crazy?

[final terrace]

I was crazy once

[low grove]

they locked me in a room

[tardy ingot]

Yea that refreshes my memory
Thx for the pic

Reminds me why shotgun sentry fall off was so funny

[stoic hedge]

yeah lmao

[final terrace]

me when the shotgun sentry hits one singular pellet at 30 meters (huge)

[stoic hedge]

I guess the idea is you place it in the line of the horde so by the time it starts shooting the enemies are already in optimal range

but in practice..

[frail heart]

take me back to og r1

let me place my sentry through the door

[final terrace]

let me shotgun sentry death triangle

[cerulean fjord]

any idea on how to deal with shadows?

[final terrace]

hit with hammer

[frail heart]

in stealth or combat?

[cerulean fjord]

combat

[frail heart]

Just make sure your bio player is pinging on 100% uptime

[final terrace]

thermals also help

[frail heart]

And use your flashlight

[final terrace]

(but in most missions it isn't worth taking a thermal weapon just for the shadows)

[frail heart]

dont worry

we used to take pdw in r4e1 speeds 🥀

[keen seal]

Jarvis pull up the r4e1 pr solo hold

[fathom ice]

!!!!!!!

[frail heart]

🗣️🗣️🗣️

[low grove]

is that... a PLAYER
didnt know you could see friends thru walls

[stoic hedge]

it's Cosmic Mario
he chases you through the level and kills you if he catches up /s

[keen seal]

throw it back

[cerulean fjord]

is it possible to solo run R8E2 with only hammer?

[low grove]

would be a fun challenge

[frail heart]

with glitches yeah

quite easily

[tardy ingot]

2 glitches and you gucci

[frail heart]

door bug and OOB 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[normal granite]

its a setting

player opacity under the gameplay tab

[civic wave]

i blink and people's hour count goes up considerably

everyone has more time than me in this game

[vestal crest]

during the first error alarm of R5E1 is it worth it to find every ammopack during the error? or should we wait until after the error to find all of them?

[sturdy glen]

worth to find

[vestal crest]

aight

[west raven]

Is it ever practical to kill a charger scout with 2 sledgehammers

On the back

I've never seen it

[timber shoal]

yeah it can be p helpful if you don’t have cfoam

[civic wave]

very practical

[west raven]

Only for serious players

[civic wave]

and it is one mark of being in a team you can trust, if any of the players can hop in and melee the scout with you

well, trust is a strong word, they may still be fucked in parts but there's enough coordination to have a good time

[timber shoal]

the humble r6d2 run

[lucid geyser]

me and my partner have been trying duo with bots and while we made it to the extraction on r2d2 once (36 attempts in so far)
Is it going to get so hard to the point that it's going to take us even more attempts on levels? Or does r2d2 just stuck for duo with bots?

[little pilot]

plenty of levels suck

r2d2 is just the first spike in difficulty

[timber shoal]

r2d2 should be relatively achievable but its gonna get hard/sucky very fast

[little pilot]

basically whenever you seem to hit a wall you can't beat like r2d2 the advice is to try out the next rundown and come back later

[lucid geyser]

i prolly should have reworded cuz r2d2 is fun its just really hard lol

[little pilot]

for your info, r2e1 coming up is ~6th hardest level in the game. R2D2 was ~20th

[lucid geyser]

oh damn

do r3 and r4 have a lot of levels harder than r2d2?

cuz we might just skip r2e1 when we beat r2d2 for a while

[burnt inlet]

Very recommended tbh

[burnt inlet]

R3 no I don’t even know if I’d say there’s any (really depends on R3C1/D1), R4 has some harder levels spread throughout but not anything crazy I feel like

[lucid geyser]

hmm okay

Does the practice from playing r2d2 carry over to other levels atleast

[timber shoal]

imo yes

[little pilot]

yes

very much so

r2d2 teaches mostly how to play fast which translates very well into every level

being able to not waste too much time is massive

[burnt inlet]

R2D2 teaches basics of quickly clearing stuff, very important for levels

[lucid geyser]

Is there a lot of other levels that require playing fast? The only level before this that was similar in that sense eas r2c2 but it was kinda easy tbh (took 2 tries lol)

[little pilot]

yes

well

later levels in rundowns require speed

early levels in each rundown tend to not have too many time pressures

[lucid geyser]

oke

Thanks for da info

[tiny wyvern]

Normally I'd suggest doing a run with experienced folk and see what you have to look out for

[tardy ingot]

you also learn (hopefully) from R2D2 that you can simply play more aggro/fast in stealth and shoot up rooms

which heavily improves the speed you clear levels in and helps with some later tough sections

[gentle forge]

to get the biotracker achievement, must you mark even enemies that are spawned by alarm doors? or only enemies that are already placed on the map?

[timber shoal]

you need to have pinged every enemy which has been on the level, sleeping or alarm

which is to say, dont do this achievement on a level with an extract alarm

[gentle forge]

yeah, I thought r1a1 would be easy but I think that extract alarm fucked me

[ripe hamlet]

R1b1

[gentle forge]

yeah that was my next thought

should be pretty chill

[cerulean fjord]

Imagine using infinite ammo and no reload on a modded scattergun and still lose to an A tier level with your squad.

[timber shoal]

impressive

did you encounter someone like this

[cerulean fjord]

before on OG rundown 6 on R6BX.

dude had cheats with a modded trainer to spawn a load of big mothers.

[normal granite]

@gentle forge try doing it on R2B1

its the fastest with no extraction alarm

play normally, up until extract
enter the room/scan to spawn the giants to tag and kill

then you can go do the other blood door and the scout zones

be carfeul with blood doors and mines as you might kill untagged sleeping enemies

[sudden nexus]

r2b1 is faster but less consistent, r1b1 is slower but more consistent

[ripe hamlet]

Class 7 alarm kinda scary

[normal granite]

not really tbh

[ripe hamlet]

It’s harder to keep all the enemies pinged especially when they come in 3 directions

[normal granite]

you can do one of the blood doors after the alarm

so 2

[burnt inlet]

i like R1B1 for the achievement more ngl

[frail heart]

bot bio

actually nevermind

[lusty quiver]

guys how does one c foam enemies

tried to freeze a giant with a full burst and it did nothing

[frail heart]

gotta jork it real hard then just let it blast

[frail heart]

Enemies have their own values to how much cfoam is needed to freeze them. Not sure what a giants is but it is super not worth it to cfoam a giant

[lusty quiver]

sorry i dont know the right name for it

its the big guys that are in the first 3 run downs at least

havent gotten past them

these mfers

[frail heart]

Yeah you should try meleeing them with your team. If you dont feel super confident in a room you can clear all the small enemies and then just shoot the big guys

[lusty quiver]

thats usual what we do

I've frozen smaller enemies but i cant seem to get it to work on these ones

I fully charged it and it just hit him and went away

[frail heart]

yeah you would need to cfoam him more

also why are you cfoaming sleeping enemies?

its very not worth it

[lusty quiver]

there were 3 of them in the room and we wanted to c foam and kill this one so we could easily kill the others without alerting

i shot a doors worth at him

do i need to shoot more?

[frail heart]

yeah you should just all melee the big guy

you only need 3 fully charged hammers to the back

[lusty quiver]

Ok ill try that next time

[ripe hamlet]

you need 7 blobs for giant

which is crazy inefficient that you should just melee or shoot them

also only cfoam that hit him count

and blob that stacks on top of other blob is wasted

bs "mechanics" but whatever

[tardy ingot]

(Fun fact a door only needs 9 blobs instead of the 12 from a full charge)

But as frosty said

Dont foam enemies for stealth

[ripe hamlet]

me when cscout and nmscout

[prime ore]

Except charger scouts if you don't wanna wake up the whole room

[tiny wyvern]

just sync hit

(If you have a team that can do that anyways)

If not, shooting them and just dealing with the room is sometimes preferred, depending on rundown

[ripe hamlet]

cscout sync hit is not so bad

[tiny wyvern]

Yeah, but pub lobbies

[ripe hamlet]

i dont think its possible for nmscout yeah?

[tiny wyvern]

I don't think anyone has been insane enough to try

[tardy ingot]

what do you think

[tiny wyvern]

...did you guys try to do it?

[tardy ingot]

managed to do it ye

[tiny wyvern]

damn it

[ripe hamlet]

i didnt even know you can stealth it

[prime ore]

Charger scouts have 60 hp and 2x damage from the back right

A hammer and a bat is enough then?

[tardy ingot]

its technically possible with 0 ping

but with the usual client delay you just need to try and get 3 back tumor hits and a normal hit

[fathom ice]

hammer plus anything except knife

[tiny wyvern]

Hammer or spear + anything I believe should be enough?

[fathom ice]

I think spear bat doesn't work

35 + 24?

[tiny wyvern]

yeah most likely

spear precision multi is the compensating factor

[fathom ice]

you don't get prec when hitting back tho

[prime ore]

Another reason why spear sucks

[tiny wyvern]

Yeah that's what I mean, there's no precision multi

Oh wait I faqed up with my text again

[prime ore]

Before this I thought back of chargers would count as a prec hit

[fathom ice]

na

[tiny wyvern]

na back hits give the same marker

[fathom ice]

u still kill them to back tho so it doesn't really matter

[tiny wyvern]

But it's only back hits

[prime ore]

Yeah normal chargers but charger giants and charger scouts are much more difficult cuz of that

Our team rarely tried to actually stealth kill giant chargers cuz how fast they turn around

[fathom ice]

u rarely stealth bbcs ngl

[prime ore]

And after playing R6CX we still haven't tried to sync hiy and just c foam or shoot the guy

[fathom ice]

dw cfoaming or shooting is just correct

u double melee in case you don't have foam and you can't wake the room so

[sturdy glen]

vanilla being so solved now is so sad ngl

never have to do so many things like that

[fathom ice]

ye

😔

[fathom ice]

did you get to play ytd btw

[sturdy glen]

no

[fathom ice]

rip

mb

Id be down for survival today

[prime ore]

What does that stand for?

[sturdy glen]

same

[fathom ice]

oge good

[sturdy glen]

Ill be up in like 8 hour

as per usual

[fathom ice]

they were looking for peeps ytd

[fathom ice]

ye sounds good

[sturdy glen]

dw, I cant rly complain when I dont agree to speeds so

[fathom ice]

ye

I think fe3 is good I just don't really enjoy it

[sturdy glen]

I understand

[fathom ice]

oh and also sorry for dropping that one time my bc blue screened

it booted up like an hour later so i just went to bed

[sturdy glen]

I definitely dont think most regular gtfo players will enjoy it

[tiny wyvern]

modded rundowns

[sturdy glen]

I only want to play it because im bored of vanilla

[fathom ice]

ye it makes sense

[sturdy glen]

need something that requires me to think

[tiny wyvern]

Until you've done most of the game I don't recommend dipping your toes into those

[fathom ice]

i will stand my words shooters are TERRIBLE in that rundown

[prime ore]

I see

The only one I tried was

Scout playground

[fathom ice]

like deadass i do 360 every time i need to dodge

it's so stupid

[prime ore]

But 2 last missions were bricked and extraction point would instantly start so idk

[sturdy glen]

I know how to play around the top tier ones now so idrc

[prime ore]

I did play first 2 it wasn't so bad with a hammer

[sturdy glen]

afflicted/withered are still dogshit tho

[fathom ice]

ye

I think it was like

u just turn hard like very late

[sturdy glen]

its strange

idk how to rly explain it but its a lot more lenient than I thought

[ripe hamlet]

wouldnt 3 back tumor hit + normal hit be 140 dmg while nmscout has 161?

[fathom ice]

thats good

[fathom ice]

I think it implies spearss

[ripe hamlet]

assuming all hammers

[fathom ice]

where u get 1.3

[ripe hamlet]

oh yeah spears

[sturdy glen]

wait I know

ok so you know how you dodge a hybrid barrage

[ripe hamlet]

damn

spear peak confirmed?

[fathom ice]

ye

[sturdy glen]

its literally that exact movement but doing it like 3x faster

[fathom ice]

oh

does it include movement as well

[sturdy glen]

you do the full 90 degree turn insta instead of spreading it along the entire barrage

[sturdy glen]

yea

[fathom ice]

damn

still sucks

[burnt inlet]

spray different parts of him, but id say just melee, youre not at the stage where you should be cfoaming enemies

[sturdy glen]

yeah it takes all your attention from shooting unfortunately

[fathom ice]

it feels if u get chained youre so fucked lol

[sturdy glen]

but zaero content is kinda just head shot sim anyways and they dont shoot when you just headshot them

[fathom ice]

ye

[prime ore]

What is the max dmg a spear could do

[fathom ice]

depends to what

into pmom its 227.5

[prime ore]

Like lets say hybrids cuz they are annoying to stealth kill

[fathom ice]

one sec

[hoary mason]

they aren't though

[fathom ice]

[[Hybrid]]

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Hybrid

[prime ore]

And P-mother is like 2.5k hp

[fathom ice]

ye

[prime ore]

For us filthy knife users it is

[fathom ice]

91

if i'm not a brick

[fathom ice]

knife kills in 3 hits

[prime ore]

Hybrids have like 150 hp right

[fathom ice]

ye

so still double occi

same for hammer

idk spear prec problem is it changes like nothing

like u need to hit most of the stuff same amount of times as hammer

except hammer has better hitbox and slightly more base damage

[fathom ice]

also i lied it's twice as less

[tardy ingot]

Should be 105

17,5 x 2 x 2 x 1,5

[fathom ice]

prec multi is 1,5?

i'm a brick

[[Spear]]

[tardy ingot]

since spear can occi into headshot

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Spear

[prime ore]

I was abt to say there is no way its that easy to meele a boss ememy

[tardy ingot]

I mean…

[fathom ice]

like who does this

[tardy ingot]

lol

[sturdy glen]

same person who makes the charging cubic

prolly

[fathom ice]

nah bro giving light tap and charged different multis is diabolical

[sturdy glen]

they couldnt possibly give spear occi tap on shooters

wouldve been too much

[fathom ice]

and hammer has it

genius

[prime ore]

Its cuz like

Light tap of hammer is 3

And spear is 2 right

Its pretty big difference for jst light tapping even tho charged damage is pretty close between two

[tardy ingot]

well the 20 to 17,5 is a bigger difference effect wise than the 2 and 3

[prime ore]

I meant by percent but yeah true

[frail heart]

real ones play bat

[prime ore]

Why is spear so shit it's supposed to be a heavy meele and it deals two damage on light tap

[fathom ice]

ask dev

[sturdy glen]

real ones make fun of bat

[frail heart]

surely the pick rate wasnt a factor

surely

[prime ore]

Spear was the most popular meele?

[frail heart]

yeah

[fathom ice]

it still is

probably

[prime ore]

I thought it would be the knife cuz it looks fire asf

[frail heart]

yeah it is

[prime ore]

And also cuz most of GTFO players played CSGO

[sturdy glen]

gtfo players dont play other fps games bro

hate to break it to you

[ripe hamlet]

me learning to love bats after using them in r7d2 duo

[sturdy glen]

this is why everyone thinks the game is so hard

[ripe hamlet]

real

[frail heart]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-omniman-invincible-meme-gif-14970603868221209304

[ripe hamlet]

need more pixels

[sturdy glen]

I hate to say that I also do this

caught

[ripe hamlet]

[prime ore]

This kinda suprises me lowkey

[night fjord]

yall spamming alot

[frail heart]

who is bro

[hoary mason]

[sturdy glen]

you should see the chat normally

[night fjord]

can yall wait a few seconds jesus

[frail heart]

king von just pulled up

[night fjord]

about to leave the discord becasue of that

[frail heart]

Please dont

[prime ore]

https://tenor.com/view/king-von-piracy-king-von-piracy-gif-17106264557008169551

[hoary mason]

It's a chat what did you expect lmao

[ripe hamlet]

does vro not know that you can mute a server

[frail heart]

Mfs when people chat in the chat 🥀

[night fjord]

no spammming read rules

[frail heart]

Wait thats true

[sturdy glen]

he thinks the rules are enforced

[fathom ice]

💀

[frail heart]

Fuck bro we are all gone

[sturdy glen]

LOL

[ripe hamlet]

😔

[night fjord]

im the law

[sturdy glen]

aura

[prime ore]

Before I got into GTFO I mostly played DRG and CSGO and still sometimes do that and when I saw GTFO for first time I thought "seems similar to DRG alien shooting gameplay so why not"

[hoary mason]

gtfo players move on from gtfo to other games.

[ripe hamlet]

!mute frosty 10000000000000

[hoary mason]

I moved on to the FINALS

I am having fun

[sturdy glen]

id believe this

[frail heart]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[prime ore]

And after experiencing GTFO its much more different than DRG lol

[frail heart]

bro didnt play the finals when it first came out 🥀

was peak

[night fjord]

i left gtfo lomg time ago lol

yhow is it

[sturdy glen]

finals looked pretty good but I never tried it

[frail heart]

english?

[fathom ice]

or spanish

[hoary mason]

I played beta and first season, I have first season supporter

[ripe hamlet]

coward

[hoary mason]

nah he has a plugin to view deleted messages

I know that

[frail heart]

Havent played in like 1.5 years

[hoary mason]

He uses that

[frail heart]

yep

[ripe hamlet]

filthy vencord user

im reporting you to discord dev rn

getting your ass BANNED

[hoary mason]

I did say to you that I don't mind jumping in to play with u. Just dm me whenever you'd want to jump in

[frail heart]

NOOOOO

[frail heart]

nah i dont really care to play

[hoary mason]

Fair

[frail heart]

waiting for someone to hop on lunch lady speeds

😔

[hoary mason]

You have Eva for that

[frail heart]

bro is busty

[hoary mason]

Or I can send over Savi to take all records

[frail heart]

busy

fuck

[hoary mason]

LMAO

[frail heart]

i would pay to see that

mfs when wr on swim took 142k attempts 🥀

[hoary mason]

@scarlet ridge

[scarlet ridge]

A?

[cerulean fjord]

If Schaeffer killed unit 22 and Hendrickson, does that mean he's gay?

[safe cradle]

Wasn't there a character (a "I exist only in logs" one) that was canonically gay

Or something like that

[west raven]

What