#gtfo-related-questions
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idk if its a hot take to say but pan flag iits nice but i dont see the color workng as well as bi or trans flag
feels like an alternate of the og lgbt flag but more pastel
ksks
Lowk the asexual flag is also pretty bad
Idk man the colors clash a lil bit but together it just looks good
aroace flag beaats it
The bisexual flag IS top 10
Them seven year olds going to town…
i seen it idk if i like the green shade ksks
agree
but its nice
Ts majestic asf
That is pretty rad
I MIGHT be biased but genderfluid flag is top 5
tbh might b the best one
No wayyyyy
We are not putting enby flag above trans flag
I feel like the colors are too random, I prefer gradients
It's not random boy colors on bottom girl colors on top and mix in the middle
Once you get the vision it's peak
blank flag canvas with the word “slendi” written in black paint across the middle
so tru
Idk trans flag might be top 1 imo
If only they were all equal sizes, it would probably be top of my list
Tie between trans and enby flag and like close second lesbian
genderr6bx
Lowkey bi-gender might be may favorite one now, it is so pretty. I think gay for second and lesbian for third. I love me their gradients~
I can respect the gay flag in second place that one is good
It looks like a beach at sunset
so me and my friend have been having a strange issue when trying to read reactor code logs on R2D2, my friend is the host and when i try to read the logs it simply doesn't work for me i can input every other command but when i try to read these specific logs it simply tells me that it doesn't know that command, on other reactors or events that required me to get code from a log it worked perfectly. does anyone know what causes that?
ur doing do many typos and things that annulate the command
from putting / at the beginning to writkng "help" on top of ur commands
Only type ”read reactor_verx08.log”
You typed \ at the start of the commands, read the last error very carefully
i know that the second command has help in it but i didnt even type the "/"
Keep in mind that, as client, some desync can cause ghost letters to appear on the terminal screen
It might’ve been misinput or someone else typing it before you
ooo ok that makes sens
you did (or at least it appeared in the terminal screen)
the only explanations are that you either mistyped, or that " \ " is your use button and you punched that in when you tried to interact with the terminal
it says the command is incorrect (which includes /)
Which, again, can happen with desync as client
TBH that usually makes my terminal eat the letters instead
my interact button is E so there is no way for the other situation but ok thanks for the help i will remember that it might happen
but I also had cases where I do a mistake and end up typing ELIST
same xD
Veterans of gtfo can you give me some advices i just started playing this game
What do you want to know
it depends what you wanna know, there is the #guides-and-reviews channel and you can go through it and watch the videos you want to see without getting spoiled too much
bestow upon us your question
What weapon dont have recoil but fast? Or lowerest recoil
Fast shooting weapons like autos with low recoil? Only heavy SMG and PDW (and kind off hel pistol, carbine too but it's a burst weapon)
They are the only decent autos in the game
Oh okay, ty
Then what weapon i should use at start?
It doesn't matter if you are doing rundown 1
Rundown 1 is a big tutorial, use it to experiment
Okay 👍
I always see that avoid spear tip and i never fully understood it cuz i still played fine with it
then i played with the knife and struggled for a bit but after like 3 games
yea i understand why people dont use spear
the speed bro
not only, it has other insidious issues like ots low base dmg [17.5] which can hurt in some combat scenarios
spear with awake enemies is very unpleasant
while hammer u can run with and has a round 20 base dmg
plus hitbox is even useful at points to kill scouts whereas spear is, straight ksks
yea i mostly liked it alot cuz it makes it MUCH easier to solo a sleeping giant
yeppers
soloing bigs gets too much credit ksks
but now i rather just kill all the small sleepr and blast them instead
getting woke giant kills w hammer is very satisfying tho
pew pew
also true
the true-rer
i like batting bigs :]
i keep getting smacked by them
the giant feeling the barrel of the scattergun right before i pull the trigger
The giant is going to feel something else
but do it with ur team
tap
bye
explodes
me playing with bots most of the time cuz my friend rather do smt else
i bot run a lot too
Is this a certified .t lfg moment
u can melee bigs with bots
what do u usually give the bots btw
i just mostly give the assault/heavy smg and then just heavy assault/machine guns
idk what to give them
uh those abkur work tbh
ooh yes
maybe on mains i would go burst rifle
cuz it has more dmg than an auto
so its cool
mgs work very well on bots, and if u want dmg sometimes u can try burst cannon on them
just be aware of friendly fire
my usual loadout is smg and machinegun
omg the amount of friendly fire
they shot me so many times during r2e1
burst rifle in main slot and veruta (less ff) or burst cannon (more damage) in special
on melee it doesnt matter 🔥 they use a predetermined one :D
is what i would recommend
t thats wah i said
mmk ill try out burst rifle or canon depending on the level
i cant read, hope this helps :3
:b
dtr/burst rifle/hel revo + burst cannon
is there a difficulty list for the different levels in the game? Im just starting out and I want to see which ones I should start out with first
the difficulty are given through the later, A is the easiest difficulty and E is the hardest
also R1 is a very good tutorial for all the other rundowns
a tier missions are easiest, but like andy said you should play through all of r1
difficulty but loosely rated
generally: Rundown 1 is the "tutorial" rundown
Rundown 6 is where the lore becomes in ur face so u can get an idea of what the story is about
start with Rundown 1 or Rundown 6
I finished R1 already and I have R2E1 left on 2. I was told to do easier levels first so thats why I needed the difficulty list
oh alr
Yea if you face a hard wall like r2e1 just move on to next rundown
do the rundowns in order and if you get stuck jump to the next rundown
and ive done a fair bit of R6 I really enjoyed R6D1
u can just go in order until u face nother wall
E tiers in this game are on another level of difficulty
so go r3
but leave Rundown 8 UNTIL THE END
I recommend you just to play all R1-R7 A to C missions to learn and practice and R8 at the end
r2d2 is one of the more difficult ones especially cause of the speed it requires
but r2e1 takes that and puts it on just the next level
thats what ive heard
From many people.
:3
you can get to the ending in r2e1
even the wiki
Very nervous bout it
awww damn
it is generally the biggest flat wall in the whole game
Ive looked at the wiki its that error alarm right?
Have Robyn seen that kind of alarm yet?
yep
:3
dosnt turn off after you activated it
that 1 error will nuke any relatively new players
As in the first and last one
Error? Yes R6C1 had one but we rushed it pretty good
lots of planning
there are different error alarms, some you can't turn off but some you can
R2C2 also
oh and the constant alarm level thats really short in R2
this
yes so im familiar with them
but ive heard R2E1 is just brutal
3 strikers that slowly increases to 10 every wave
Well i meant a diff type of alarm
yeah its a constant one
So should I finish off R2 and do the E or should I do others to like, get better and prepare for it
i would recommend to do other rundowns and then R2E1
its a very high difficulty spike
i’d run r3 and a bit of r4 too before you get together a team and go for another attempt on r2e1
I swear that’s a surge on the door
the big warden one?
also R2E1 is a loadout check, you can't just take whatever weapon you want, I mean you can but it gonna be super hard, so I also recommend you test different weapons in different scenarious, so you learn how to handle different situations
6d1 has no surge alarms
Apex* but yes
My bad team am pub
yes. I was thinking things with thermal sights because of the invisible shawdow guys?
no
No
Thermal weapons are suboptimal
biotracker is enough for invis
thermals are a complement to good biotracker but not a sustitution
and also you can use your flashlights
the shadows are not the problem in R2E1 in my opinion, the surge alarms are more difficult than some shadows
^
surge alarms are the ones that build to be harder and harder right?
I dont think ive encountered them before. Ive done cluster alarms tho
surge alarms are the ones where enemies respawn instantly
they usually slap you with max enemy cap from the first second
ohhh damn
error alarms are the ones with constant enemies (and some of them add an extra enemy every 2-3 minutes)
I think R6BX might have one? Idk though
max enemy cap is 25 I think
Been a while
25 points yes
Alas I havent done that one 😔
Why not :p
Why D tier before B tier :p
and we took a break to grind R2D2
the X missions are super interesting, I really enjoyed them
C tier*
Just pew pew and run run, don't get hit so you won't lose
Its written as a B tier but yes it is a C tier
we just did the leftmost side because my gf wanted to do nemesis
to like train us up and its a dope level
surge alarms are literally not present in r6
I will for sure do them.
Böh i am such a pub holy
ive heard good things
the unholy CX:
wait im lying 6D4 has one
Ur a pub like me
I got there a bug which made me immune against projectiles if this is the mission I remember, but I can remember about 1 mission where I just got immune against flyers projectiles
never denied being a pub
Your hours says otherwise :p
yeah R6 was really good so far
Everyone is a pub
its very big tho so weve been slowly going through it
R6 has been the most fun for me (haven’t done R8 team)
moth by playtime im like omegapub tier
No i am
i don't even have 2500
I am that one 500 pub that thinks he knows something
My gf has done all of them but R8 she wanted to get a team together and go through all the rundowns to train up to do it
Above 1.5k promoted from pub to vet
she has legit 800+ hours its crazy
incorrect
but im bad and we are training me up
training arc :D
me and sky are both acceptable players but neither of us are veterans
Syntax is exception he will always be omegapub
YEAH! its been going well so far
Vets in terms of play style and carry ability ig
aham
my game sense has greatly improved
u can sense sleepers
no he is just the pub (bestämd form)
what does count as veteran?
So true (boleansk form)
- be og player
- be good at game
- crazy hours 2) be good at the game (zed is lying)
no but ive gotten to the point I can doge their attacks and identify various enemies just by their biotracker tags through the walls.
that is also incorrect because the actual vets are better than us
i joined on ALT R5 so i guess i dont qualify as OG
like chill ray hani beth etc
they are all a tier above
Zed is speaking like hes a newgen 🥀
Zed thinks there’s like 10 vets
moth there are like 10 vets
identify enemies through the bio wuh
There's a ton of old people
No there’s at least 11 :3
movement
like height and whatnot
I know people who played on day 1 launch. They are the old people
moth do you want to get your r4e1 duo clear sometime to make it out of omegapub tier
Maybe
Wanna get better
So its not an insane carry
And also wanna codeclear before it
i'm a pub
r4e1 duo cannot be carried because you're forced to take 1 of 2 roles of approximately equal difficulty
that you cannot get help with
am I stupid
it's someone approximately of skys skill level
generally just means someone who plays public lobbies
correct
shut up PUB
but we also use it as a joking derogatory term
oh lol
as demonstrated by zed
SORRY chef
I’m too much of a pub to get it then
R1C1 solo is like gigga free
So like
Don’t have anything to prove I’m worthy
team i forget
if enemy A is asleep and gets foamed and enemy B screams in the room while A is still foamed does A wake when unfoamed
erm
No i tink
aren't you initially fr stlhm as well
Well you should think and not tink
No?
my bad
I tink therefore am
i live in west se though
Don’t degrade me like that
Makes it slightly better
At least we are united in our hate of southern Swedes
frfr
Toxic vet tells another vet to die
you should queue up r4e1 duo in a team of two i think
mayb
i know you like it
^^^
Its like a derogatory slur
I will just down you and play solo
Not a worthy clear
Youre not the machine
I am not the mahine
Mother fucker thats not possible
Maybe not for someone who seeded and boosted his E2 solo clear
TRUE
incorrect
1 cycle code 1234 and spend 3 resets for cell carry and code 6 prep
:3
ok that is correct
an 8 cycle would be kinda wild
Btw why don’t you get reactor waves on you when you codehunt? Or do you get reactor waves on you?
Frosty i would like
They spawn elevator side
That is still good
they spawn in elevator zone specifically
Mfw i know location callout
omg chill dude
They spawn in da zone where you coome out of the pods and start walking
But i think i know where
8 cycle in duo would be crazy
like set seed it's very doable but not conviced it's realistically doable elsewhere
Oh I’m fucking trash holy
zed i did 9 cycle with you
just say you hate me
sky you're goated that is correct
in wr?
nah
but saving 1 cycle over that is SO hard sky
wr is so bad
and the stars just need to align
Team don’t hunt WR hunt PR
long bulkhead scan + kinda bad reactor in wr is funny
wr is a 12 cycle
ye
but idt it's much time loss cuz i need to backtrack anyway
it was i think 1 1 3 2 3 2 or something
ye taking 3 on code 3 is wild
it always should be 1 1 2 2 2 2
okay i'm tweaking
idk
i think 3 on 5 is more wild
oof
conclusion was we can get 2 cycles faster at least plus better bk scan
so like 45 maybe
but idk i've had enough of that level
as of now
our team is running r7e1
gl
very fun imo
it just felt like rng check
you just double down in reactor and have two go get code right
yeah
ye
oh well
it's aight
ye mb
yesssss we must propagate the legend of this level further
middddddddddddd
brainrot
look, it's iconic and firmly routed in culture
this isn't about speedrunning it's about r4e1
it is a rot that won't go away
r4e1 is the level of time
mid both wayssssssss
does anyone know or is it just zed, sky, and i
what is there to know
ah whatever it's fine
seeded?
not a lot
the 0 cycle
lakana because i asked him about the thing before you but that's it
big secret for it to be sub 30 🙏
as if lakana is good enough for sub 30, probably would just foam ladder
i can't believe it
very necessary comment
i'm absolutely off my rocker, you know how stupid i am normally
right now it's even worse
interesting things happening in The Official GTFO Discord Server
big things are happening, watch this space
bigger things are happening
(people flirting and tgb)
bit more than that
you hold down button
fill chamber w rockets
fire them in a shotgun burst
eeach rocket thats in the chamber deals more damage than the last
and I just evaporate everything I see
correct
you can tap fire for regular hurricane w no downsides
but if youre inclined you can hold down to get what is effectively a scattergun shot if each pellet happened to explode on impact
one of my favorite overclocks on hurricane
Yeah keep it GTFO related guys or im going to call in the mods
stev wjat the fuck is wrong with you
how do you have so many dogshit takes
the gattling is so much better
jesus christ
it feels like a down grade
to some stuff
which is sad
hurricane is alot of fun but like
they dont scale with power, all of them are in line w each other zlawg
surely
so so so debatable but i could NOT be assed to argue about this
which button is it again for salvo?
the one you use to shoot
okay
salvo is actually really good
for how fun it is
So I’m curious about how much time do you have to get a double back hit melee on a charger scout and also if your able to kill a charger scout with hel gun if you were to double tap it real fast on its back
hel gun double tap is doable
Can other guns do it?
Ik short rifle can with a macro
especially if you consider ping for 2 players having an impact
I don’t think it’s got enough dmg
with limb breaks or some fuckery
Lotsa guns can technically do it
the wack clips where charger scout staggers from limb break for like a whole second or something come to mind
i didnt know you can stagge scout
Hmm ok
I’m assuming it’s just a chance
Bc I think I’ve seen one become staggered for 1 second once
yeah don't count on that
also with melee kills it really depends on the ping of the 2 players that are hitting
It was really lucky to with it being a high caliber pistol shot
which one is more bugged, payday2 or gtfo?
with melee hit added to it yes
…
Ok

I feel like that won’t make since
But in theory of having it staggered it could

you chain melee into hel shotgun
Would the shot have to be on the back?
both melee and shot has to be to back
Exactly right after
Hmm ok
does high caliber pistol one shot giants?
No
Giants have 120HP
It's not even close
2 shots?
4
High cal does 30 damage
Actually 30.1
High cal isn't a giant killer
It's more of an all rounder
It's amazing against smalls and decent against big guys
shotguns, burst cannon and hel rifle are the giant killers
shotguns?
you also forgot scattergun and sniper
high cal and shotgun deals the same damage
Scattergun is a shotgun
Shotguns
i wouldnt call combat shotgun a giant killer
youre the one who say high cal isnt a giant killer even though it takes the same amount of hit as a shotgun and even lesser than combat shotgun
if high cal is all rounder then so are the shotguns tbh
even normal shotgun?
i guess range is pretty op
yes
with headshot + 3 bodyshot
high cal range is always enough pretty much
and high cal gets more ammo than all the other special 30dmg guns
(and it gets more than sawed off)
the only argument for a shotgun in the special slot being better for giants would be choke mod, because choke mod has better range, always staggers (1.35x stagger multi) and bursts them faster
but it has awful mag and reload so like
cshotty is acceptable if you can spin around the giant to get a lot of back dmg to save ammo
but that's often not an option
LFG any actual E tier
is e2 really that much harder than the rest
but just getting a clear on either is like free when you have acceptable strats so it's whatever
personally i don't think so but it contains a lot more knowledge checks
like you need to know how to deal with EVERY enemy in the game, know virtually every stealth mechanic and when and how to use it, be proficient at the good guns, while on an actual resource and time leash
how much of a pain would it be to beat e2 without community knowledge
yes
oh well i guess astralspiff kinda did it
i can't believe i lfg for e tiers and no one wants to play it's so over
which e tiers
games dead 😔
idk it's like
tabbing out simulator
because you get to spend like 5 minutes actually doing nothing while 1 person shoots a bit
i felt it was intense
first time/for inexperienced players it is a design that will be thrilling in a lot of ways
enjoyment from warden protocol lvl is inversely proportional to how good you are at the game
or something like that
but similarly to r5b4 it is just not interesting or fun when you get "good" at the game
^
like
me and sky did it in duo for gtfo%
sky ACTUALLY tabbed out for like 10 minutes straight on it
what's warden protocol lvl
also r6bx sec
mb
i cleared that once like a year ago
looked into that solo a bit more recently but like it's just ass so i never bothered
Survive for a determined time until extraction opens
One of the hardest levels in the game
probs 3rd ish hardest
Yep
if you learn to doorfuck tanks and reactor strats and how to ctrip double boss it's like whatever
i have no idea what you just said
don't worry about it
it's like strats for the level that makes it substantially easier
how high do you reckon the chance of pubbing it is
success rate in pubs?
probably like 30-50% because it's a popular level for experienced players to replay
if you want to we can run 4e1 literally right now
r4e1 my beloved
make a pub ill be there in a moment like 5 min
so technically both a gtfo question and not but am i missing something to add more regulations to the wheel of misfortune? it keeps rewriting only 1 with whatever i try to add instead of adding multiple
Hmm yeah i see that
I let calle know
thx lmk if it gets figured out
It also has noteably better range for this
If i kill a guy and it short range aggros
it can't then also long range agro another guy right
Ya
does cfoam disappear overtime?
Yes if it is not on a door
unfortunate
After 5 minutes it will disappear
Just like my dad fr
I am not sure if this was a bug, but sometimes the cfoam also disappears from the door for me 🤔
I doubt it
Would probably be something else
are there any mods that can show my ping in game? (latency)
The mod list shows ping if other lobby players have it installed as well
Even though it’s not a bugfix modlist is incredibly useful for seeing ping
I see
eh if you mean the bug when someone joins midgame, yes, kinda
but AFAIK that's only visual
as far as I know someone has to hit it and it works sometimes
It resets the state of the doors but I think it's only a visual issue
maybe, I don't have this often but I was confused when it happened
How hard (with three bots) is sec compared to main in R4D1?
we still havent beaten nucleus btw
we just had no time to play lul
I’ve done reactor now thinking if i should just dip or do sec too with bots
it's free
u rush first mom and then u rush second
and then u cleanup and kill third alone
OR
you just kill everything in the room
and kill double mom and mom alone
double mom is tgt
Second mom i could maybe rush and then have foam on floor
Wait two rooms open at once?
Anyways ima loot entire level
And both have like 1 mother right
1 and 2
first room has 1 mom
One has one other has two
So basically its hunt for mothers
second room has 2 moms
Stev have you gotten to funny last code room?
We reached 4th wave yeah
Except we cannot play rn
Did you open last room?
big
Yea but I don’t have client scatter :3

How’s r7e1 running going?
Pretty good we switched up strats a bit
Its fun though
It is
just bait everything to bulkhead door and kill giants and then moms
We're tryna go giga fast so its a little cooked
For both rooms?
Main issues we were tryin to figure out was ammo but our new strat makes that not really an issue
Tanks are almost 100% consistent
If we die its to some bullshit
W’s
from first room it's very comfy
for 2nd room if you don't want to rush 1 mom and then bait rest to bhd then it can be a bit scary, you should probably place sentries
So i really just rush first mom, kill mom and run back to bhd?
Bruh one fucking giant
Sucks
Ass
Legit was left of door
And all of the bots rushed it to hammer it
Bruh
Well we go again ig
we die to pablo deaggroing on me and deciding to peg eva
ideally you bring cnade/trip to foam 1st mom in 2nd room for free kill
Ye i wasted one foam cuz i was dumb and only had one more cuz bots like to grab but not use melters
but after that you just run all the way back to OUTSIDE bulkhead door and wait right outside to kill all the giants
Did that
moth to solo r4d1?
Bot solo
😔
listen if your bots die it's whatever
All of em do and two moms birth?
as long as sentrie(s) are down to help you with birth it should be fine
Na the run was cooked ngl
should be max 1 if you rush 1st mom but yeah
Sawed off could not solo it apparently
Like spamming as soon as i could
you can try full baiting 2nd room
taking hel auto sentry for helping with double birth once giants are done
well we also wiped to me maybe calling for us to go 30 sec too eary xD
because it's host sawed off
Yea
I play sawed off hel rifle
hel rifle is fine but it for sure requires foaming 1st mom
doing R4C2 rn
cleared everything solo
this mission is really boring
cleared 11,12 and 13
do I go for secondary and overload first
or continue doing 8,9 and 14,15
yes
asking rn
the most optimal
strat
cuz this shit is so boring
is there smth more interesting in here I wouldnt be mad abt an error rn
no
nope
it fucking sucks
it is just boring
:3
also you have to do secondary to do overload
there was
1 single charger
and 1 mother
in a door
that was completely unneeded
like
ik that but what I do first
the speedrun is worse
majority of main
14 or 8 what is more interesting
the speedrun isnt actually awful imo
just super dogshit rng
WOW
THIS GAME
Door right before 15
right after 14 fog waiting game
there is stairs to go up
and to get to 15 you go back DOWN
which mission you in?
haha yeah i hate that one
what are the worst 5?
since zone 15 is
- fully in fog
- needs a cell (thats halfway across the map)
- ^
like R5D1, R4C2, R5A3, R4B3 and R5B1 prob
r4b3 isnt that bad i feel
damn
Seeing R5B1 in top 5 worst fills me with joy
lugging cryo cases is a pain in the ass but like
I alredy explored
halfway across the mission
cuz it was so damn boring
also
if I get
15th hormone
does it active an chase sequence
or do I go to extraction first
so ik what to do when I do secondary and overload
surely
nothing happens if you get last hormone
Surely
I’m gonna hide ur ears
???
wtf why the r5a3 hate
what dos this even mean
R4C3 > R4C2
its long as shit and overall just sucks
obvs
r4c3 is in my top 3 favourite levels
Ill take ur ears and hide them
right
Minor hearing loss
R3D1 > R4C3 > R1C2
damn r1c2 enjoyer
R4D1>r5b1
hell yeah
are d and e lvls still doable duo with 2 bots
thank you kind sir
i love r1c2
its not that good level design wise, but i REALLY like it
Yes, will req more skill tho
yes but jst dont do it for your sanity
yes, but harder
the charger intro is so fucking metal
esp with the level's flavor text
lowkey i like r1's flavor text more than the other rundowns'
We can eat text now?
and chargers are just the best enemy anyway
There will always be more fog
seek noise is insanely cool, way more fun to fight than strikers
uh secondary has fog
so does overload lol
r4c2 just has a ton of fog
😭
OH GOD
grind 90 minutes into main
oh lord
stev you're gonna cry
i like chargers
no i get that, they're one of my favorite enemies design wise
Time to hop off Stev
i was wondering what "seek noise" meant
sleep click
ah
tbh idk why i said seek
The noise i make when i dream about you
yeah they sound raspy and like theyre covered in tree bark
its vicious and i love it
plus the first time hearing the roar in the distance is horrifying
first time i heard chargers, they gave me literal chills
okay can this mission go any slower
stev secondary is going to make you off yourself
im sorry
@prime ore are you playing with 3 bots, or an actual person?
r2e1 trauma
Its time to hop off ngl
3 bots trying to do
practice while boys arent here
ah ok
and oh my god I booted up youtube cuz how boring this got
like its been hour and half and not even main is finished
dude secondary is worse
overload is even more so
honestly id get main and just get the clear
it said
dont even bother with this level right now
The humble class 3 surge into class 9 surge
is it like
No ribbit ur right
yes
i feel like a good majority of surge alarms in the game are all teams
Yep
i think surge alarms only go up to class 4
Well class 6 if no overload
And u just permafoam it iirc
you go into a side zone to make it into a class 4 lol
Oh rite
but can you name the level?
R8D2
damn it andy
R8D2
i was trying to get moth to name it
🤣
okay lowkey
do I just
finish this mission
and we never even do
PE
cuz its so boring
main only please god
hahaha
PE is like 20 mins more than main
do this later
you know for a fact he's dying immediately
if you know what pe includes
Should’ve said 5
