gtfo-related-questions

[digital mural]

"Killing the Mother only requires dealing 1000 damage to it, and does not technically require popping any tumors at all" -wiki
So I think you can technically kill her

[tardy ingot]

the issue is how that was tested

[digital mural]

Oh yeah that's bad wording on my part mb

[tardy ingot]

you can do dmg to pablo with cheats too (by amplifying dmg enough so it goes above the rounding = 0)

I know with cheats you can just kill her with a bat tap to the armor

but thats obviously not a valid test for whether you do dmg in the game normally

[prime ore]

Good thing to know she can be staggered too

[tardy ingot]

cuz say, even a sniper shot would do only 0,04 dmg lol

[prime ore]

I thought she just cannot be staggered because she has to stand still to spawn shit

[digital mural]

Huge

Very doable

[tardy ingot]

staggering her is rough since she has as much stagger hp as hp

[prime ore]

Yeah also going behind her too so she cannot spawn and try shotgunning her or smth

[tardy ingot]

she will spawn anyway. line of sight isnt based on her orientation

but like

scattergun

if you get close, then she is dead

[neat vapor]

is there even a level that would have enough ammo for this to be doable

[prime ore]

Wait so what is her line of sight? I thought she could only see from yk her head with the antler things

[tardy ingot]

i mean youd test it by lowering moms hp. not fully killing her with it

[prime ore]

Is it lit just a circle

[tiny wyvern]

R7D2... theoretically

[neat vapor]

probably not actually thats like 25000 sniper shots

[prime ore]

Is there a thing scattergun cannot solve

[tardy ingot]

its a few thousand ammo uses so yea no. not normally

[prime ore]

I thought this is a boss enemy

[tiny wyvern]

There is one

But outside of that no

(Squid games can technically be solved with scatters, but I'll let eva explain that)

[tardy ingot]

the head of an enemy doesnt dictate their line of sight. its basically a small "node" a bit above their head that needs to have los with you (for movement) or other enemies (for stealth wake ups)

[tardy ingot]

1 or 2 ye

[tardy ingot]

and scatter is a broken piece of a gun

[prime ore]

Thats something

[prime ore]

How much dmg does scattergun even do? If mother has like 1k hp then it deals shit ton of damage

[tardy ingot]

153~

[tiny wyvern]

Assuming max damage?

[tardy ingot]

mom takes 5x dmg to her tumors

scatter has a 0.7413 prec multi

so you do like 570ish dmg

per shot

[neat vapor]

on client it kills moms in 2 hits consistently

[tiny wyvern]

[[Scattergun]]

...does it not work anymore

man

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Scattergun

[tardy ingot]

the only reason host struggles in killing mom in 2 shots is that you need perfect spread

[tiny wyvern]

Oh nevermind it took a while

[prime ore]

Precise numbers I see

[tiny wyvern]

This is a maths game

[prime ore]

I will never see that in my life lol

[tardy ingot]

ive only seen/have it happen twice

as for client

you just 2 shot easily

[prime ore]

Why is it so precise is it a specific cap so it doesn't 1 shot something?

[tiny wyvern]

I've seen it happen a lot
On pub moments

[tardy ingot]

its just the norm value a lot of guns have

through which headshots arent as insane dmg wise for guns

[tiny wyvern]

Browse the wiki and you'll see a lot of precise numbering

[prime ore]

I was abt to say headshotting with 90% of weapons in this game isn't even worth it

[tardy ingot]

nah headshotting is absolutely worth it

just depends on the enemy

[prime ore]

Only like prec rifle, hel revo and hel gun like really need it

[tardy ingot]

strikers take 3x dmg to head
shooters 5x

scouts 3x

only giant strikers are where you dont rly want to headshot (1,5x) for the enemies that have a head

for them its only rly sniper (and maybe precision rifle)

[timber shoal]

fym zlawg

[fathom ice]

there's no reason not to hs

[timber shoal]

every weapon in the game in some way benefits from headshots

[fathom ice]

say you take sawed off and miss half the pellets

but other half hits head so it kills

u get it

[prime ore]

I get that but like if you are using an smg it barely does more dmg so it's like maybe one bullet save max

[timber shoal]

it does do more damage

[fathom ice]

again

[prime ore]

So its not even worth aiming the head on like giants and just let the sniper guy do the job

[timber shoal]

significantly moreso

[fathom ice]

there's no reason not to hs

[tardy ingot]

host be like - nah

[fathom ice]

no

on host you get double sawed off

[timber shoal]

where’s the sniper aiming for buddy

[tardy ingot]

smg on a striker takes 8 shots to kill with headshots, 11 without

[prime ore]

Idk enemies that try to kill us in this game called GTFO

[tardy ingot]

thats more than 25% extra ammo spent

[timber shoal]

the head

[tardy ingot]

if you miss with half and hit half head. then you dont kill? cuz head pops

(tho at that point, where are you aiming xD)

[timber shoal]

i think they’re just making a point

[tardy ingot]

sawed off on host absolutely in a normal scenario just tags the enemy behind when first dies/head breaks

[fathom ice]

no i mean

at host you line two strikers so they're heads are at the same place

so you kill two

[tardy ingot]

the only time you hit head with guns (that arent sniper) on giant strikers is when you need a stagger (since head = limb for limb breaks)

melees have a 1 (or higher) precision multi. so they benefit from head on giant strikers too

[neat vapor]

this is far too powerful we need to make slug do 19 damage

[fathom ice]

true

[timber shoal]

slug needs to deal 50 damage

[tardy ingot]

actually, does burst cannon just shoot slightly better slug rounds ?

[fathom ice]

yes and gets 18 per refill

instead of like 7

[neat vapor]

burst cannon is a shotgun it has multiple projectiles per trigger pull

[fathom ice]

😔

[timber shoal]

i want to three tap giants from the front

[carmine grotto]

so carbine and burst rifle are also shotguns?

[tardy ingot]

disgusting 7.51

fucking ass refill

[neat vapor]

yes

[prime ore]

How much does spear and knife have precision multi?

Like 2x

[tardy ingot]

depends on how much they are charged

[fathom ice]

can't believe they thought that sawed off getting 8 is balanced

[tardy ingot]

but maxes out at 1,5x iirc

[timber shoal]

no no it’s just as balanced as scatter

:3

[fathom ice]

sigh

[tardy ingot]

tbf sawed off at 8.18 (funny value pff) is actually fine

its rly just it getting a mag buff after already getting buffed into a good state

[prime ore]

Base sniper feels so sad to use when it has a 2 mag

[tardy ingot]

people dont remember og r6 sawed off

[neat vapor]

wasnt it like 22dmg or something like that

wrong reply

[tardy ingot]

it was basically slug

[fathom ice]

sorry team I've joined post r8

i'm a pub

[prime ore]

Sawed off had 3 mag yes?

[tardy ingot]

ye

[prime ore]

I saw that detail cuz when you reload it pops 3 empty bullets

[neat vapor]

being able to kill a giant from front in one mag is crazy

[prime ore]

And I thought why it had a 4 mag

[neat vapor]

ive played with 3 mag sawed off and it feels more reasonable even if it still would probably be the best main

[tiny wyvern]

And I play with shit guns like machine pis and burst pis

[tardy ingot]

it would likely drop off more than people think

(obviously still rly fucking good)

it was a 33% mag buff

[prime ore]

Okay what is the most balanced gun in this game

This game feels so unbalanced when short rifle exists

[tardy ingot]

in 2 reloads you basically go through 1 extra mag

[timber shoal]

short rifle

[prime ore]

Short rifle is 100% the saddest weapon

[tiny wyvern]

Not really

[carmine grotto]

just play goated loadouts like BP SR, AR HAR, or BP PR

[timber shoal]

lwk i fuck heavy with short rifle

[tardy ingot]

well balance is a bit subjective

[tiny wyvern]

Burst pistol can five burst a charger with no fall off which is really funny

[uneven kiln]

moth where are you to respond to this

[prime ore]

Based

[neat vapor]

id rather play sr than the mgs

[timber shoal]

i fear he may be busy 🥺

[tardy ingot]

I consider the burst rifle for main and shotgun for special the current standard for how good a gun should be to not be too good (or bad)

[neat vapor]

i like har more than sr though even if it is worse

[prime ore]

True

Carbine feels like better burst rifle

[tiny wyvern]

Burst rifle has better falloff

[uneven kiln]

Burst Rifle also has the strongest flashlight in the entire game outside of LRF (It shares it with Sniper but that is not a Primary)

[tiny wyvern]

Coming from me that sounds like a joke

[timber shoal]

generally is

carbine is like a pseudo smg

[digital mural]

I mean
It is a rifle and shoots in bursts

[prime ore]

I mean +1 burst per shot and +2 shots is a big tradeoff

[neat vapor]

burst rifle and carbine can 1 burst to head on client right

[ripe hamlet]

theres no need to headshot as i just use sawed off and hel rifle

[tardy ingot]

can

yes

[prime ore]

How many hours do you have in this game?

[timber shoal]

more than 2

[tardy ingot]

maybe even more than 3

[prime ore]

Shi mb gang

[ocean spindle]

less rhan 7k

somewhere inbetween

[timber shoal]

perchance more than 4

[digital mural]

I have between 1 and 600

[prime ore]

I feel like one of yall have over a thousand hours in this game

[timber shoal]

hehe

[ripe hamlet]

quite a few

[timber shoal]

does he know

[digital mural]

Does he know

[fathom ice]

low-key would be incorrect for one of the players

[digital mural]

[timber shoal]

twinning

[ripe hamlet]

its actually all of us

[ocean spindle]

good thing i was not talking about them

[ripe hamlet]

we all have 10k hours in gtfo

[tiny wyvern]

The folks that have been here day 1 should have nearly that many hours

Or the speedrunners

[digital mural]

[tiny wyvern]

Or the folk that do modded

[neat vapor]

i only have a humble 900

[ocean spindle]

smh

[tardy ingot]

1000 hours honestly isnt that much for people from og rundowns who were very active

im closer to 5k than 1k

[neat vapor]

nobody wants to play samdown with me

[tiny wyvern]

I've only got 600

Since I pub beginners only

[timber shoal]

need to beat the game before i do that

[neat vapor]

go beat the game

[ripe hamlet]

if they have pink or speedrun roles then theyre sweaty thousand hour'ers

[timber shoal]

working on it🥺

[fathom ice]

don't worry same

[neat vapor]

you carry me too hard sorry

[ripe hamlet]

where is your zed partner

[fathom ice]

but moth

[timber shoal]

wdym

[fathom ice]

zed said samdown SUCKS

[timber shoal]

moth is always dialed in

[tardy ingot]

honestly i want my og colour back

[neat vapor]

another segment where 2 players hold and 2 players go forward please

[prime ore]

I see

[carmine grotto]

maroon gone

[neat vapor]

maybe we should just start playing duo rundowns

[digital mural]

Piss color >

[ocean spindle]

piss :3

[fathom ice]

there's like one good duo rundown

[timber shoal]

course you’d say that

[neat vapor]

surely its geminate

[fathom ice]

actually two

[prime ore]

You are too based with the pink name

[fathom ice]

it's one of them ye

[neat vapor]

geminate and idk unify

[digital mural]

:3

[fathom ice]

ye

[carmine grotto]

heard it here first

[timber shoal]

:3

[neat vapor]

unify feels like it should suck theres a pmom on the first blood door of the first level

[fathom ice]

na

[ripe hamlet]

duo trial my beloved?

[fathom ice]

guns are busted

[ripe hamlet]

🔥

[fathom ice]

unfortunately

na

[ripe hamlet]

😔

[fathom ice]

it's like mid at best

[neat vapor]

its ok surely i play duo rundowns once i finish the e2 duo

[fathom ice]

e2 duo is just a first alarm and wave 3 low-key

and if ure a chad second alarm

[neat vapor]

the stealth segment is really fun

[fathom ice]

it's aight

[prime ore]

I forgot R8 has TWO E tier levels

[neat vapor]

i got to foam grenade a mom to break a lock and that was fun

[fathom ice]

dw one of them is a C tier

[ripe hamlet]

brazil skip is not not glitchless

change my mind

[fathom ice]

it is glitchless by the rules

but it's just kinda lame

[prime ore]

Wdym

Is R8E1 freelo?

[fathom ice]

if you know you know

[ripe hamlet]

r8e1 is fake e tier

[neat vapor]

its easy as long as the team can shoot a little in one room

do not pub r8e1 people do not survive the tall donut room

[ripe hamlet]

we couldve had 2 e tier in one rundown

😔

[prime ore]

I mean

Its 1 that is free

[fathom ice]

r8 is good as it is

[prime ore]

And the other that is

[fathom ice]

it's whatever

[prime ore]

9th circle of hell

[neat vapor]

r5e1 and r7e1 solve this

[digital mural]

If hell has 9 circles, E2 is the 10th

[prime ore]

Good to know 👍👍

Yall who have ever beaten it

How consistent is the mission really?

[neat vapor]

very

[digital mural]

Very

[neat vapor]

assuming youre asking about the win rate

[prime ore]

Yeah

So it really is a knowledge check

[fathom ice]

you win 100% of the times if you know what you're doing

on like any mission in the game

[carmine grotto]

once you know the patterns for spawns in the first 1/3 it gets far more consistent

[neat vapor]

that and a scatter check

[digital mural]

Funny mechanic and almost every enemy in the game including a bossfight so yeah

[prime ore]

Ppl did told me its literally just a fucking gauntlet of every enemy

[carmine grotto]

BBCs😔

[digital mural]

Man I love BBCs

[carmine grotto]

ayo

[prime ore]

Idk which enemy is that but he probably will be funny with a name like that surely

[carmine grotto]

also thoughts on Uncle Mo?

[prime ore]

I am so lost loll

[carmine grotto]

(it's a horse)

[prime ore]

More all fours enemies except mother

Great

[ripe hamlet]

kinda crazy theres no bbc in e2

couldve put them in reactor or smth

[prime ore]

Mother looks infinetly more creepier cuz she is literally just crawling on the ground

[ripe hamlet]

wave 3 bbc spam instead of shadow giant 🔥

[carmine grotto]

uncle mo is not in any way related to gtfo lol

[prime ore]

I see

I thought you just called an enemy like that

[prime ore]

Tf giants can be invisible?

[carmine grotto]

it's jover, we spoiled the pub

[neat vapor]

do they know about the shadow mother

[ripe hamlet]

😔

charger mom intro goes crazy

[prime ore]

Nah that cant be real

[timber shoal]

:3

[prime ore]

You just see enemies spawning in from nothingness

[timber shoal]

as real as shadow giants

[prime ore]

Unless invisible baby enemies exist surely

[digital mural]

Shadow tank

[timber shoal]

:33333

[neat vapor]

so sad they only use it in r7d2 and r8c3

[timber shoal]

you’re going to love these later levels stev

[prime ore]

Nothing can be worse than scouts

[timber shoal]

shadow mom in r2e1 goes fuckin crazy

[neat vapor]

two scouts

[prime ore]

Zamn!!!

[neat vapor]

wait i forgot about hel rifle

six scouts

[digital mural]

The diabolical 10 scout room in R4

[prime musk]

you forgot about hel rifle
seven scouts

[neat vapor]

um pen bug

[prime ore]

Amazing

I got consistent at killing scouts lowkey

Atleast with hammer I almost always do it

[fathom ice]

zed wanna hop on

[prime ore]

Unless they are in

Yk the fucking fog of misery

[neat vapor]

do it with knife now

[timber shoal]

buddy does NOT know about the baby scouts

[prime musk]

sky i am currently procrastinating please do not make me hop in vc

[neat vapor]

those would be so fun if you could light tap them

[fathom ice]

be productive or you're hopping in vc

[prime ore]

I have no idea how do you kill with knife consistently

[neat vapor]

you hit them in the back of the head

[timber shoal]

occi + jump

[carmine grotto]

full charge, back of the head

[timber shoal]

fun as hell

[neat vapor]

whenever you do it your brain produces good chemicals for you

[prime ore]

R2D1 611 i did crazy shit

I streamed to like 3 friends that didn't play

[timber shoal]

moth’s back to back scout knife kills 🤤

[prime ore]

It was like the winning run

[neat vapor]

the amount of chemicals produced increases for each scout youve killed with knife until you fail

[prime ore]

I just like jumped into the fog and just smashed a feeler

Then ran and killed another one before he proc

[neat vapor]

on my next scout knife im going to drop dead so i cant play it anymore

[fathom ice]

team the only dopamine i get is from knife double kills

it might be over

[prime ore]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-edgerunners-rebecca-cyberpunk-adam-smasher-youre-ruining-our-moment-here-smash-gif-26854687

[carmine grotto]

🫡

[neat vapor]

scout double hit with hammer

[prime ore]

Nah the biggest dopamine hit is when you hear that winning music

[timber shoal]

what if scouts could crawl on the ceiling

[fathom ice]

okay that's like too

[fathom ice]

you wouldn't get it

[timber shoal]

goated game design?

[timber shoal]

creaming

[fathom ice]

gtfr and flyer scouts:

[neat vapor]

if i got a double hit on scouts i think i would start sobbing

[prime ore]

What if scouts just couldn't be killed and you had to dodge them and had speed just like a running player

[timber shoal]

also appropriate reaction

[timber shoal]

:3

[carmine grotto]

enemies that can't be killed, surely those don't exist....

[timber shoal]

someone hasn’t played r3d1 yet

[prime ore]

Ive seen that screen so few times it feels too good

[fathom ice]

ive seen it way too much

[neat vapor]

you never hit a hel gun pen headshot and it shows

[prime ore]

I get yall who have like

Thousand hours on this game

[fathom ice]

that's like mid

[prime ore]

Yall see that screen daily

[carmine grotto]

it just becomes another loading screen between selecting a new level

[neat vapor]

youre just a hater

[prime ore]

I see that screen when I lock tf in once x3 for my other 3 friends and then we can see it

[fathom ice]

correct im a hel rifle player

[neat vapor]

hel gun as a whole is really fun its gotta be my favorite gun

[prime ore]

For us its the best shit ever

[timber shoal]

if someone shows me a clip of them hitting a 5 kill headshot hel gun pen i will propose on the spot

[fathom ice]

i played hel gun for like 500 hours maybe

it's just not that exciting anymore

[prime ore]

We haven't even cleared R2

[neat vapor]

nothing is exciting anymore

[prime ore]

We are not even close to the end

[fathom ice]

yes !

[neat vapor]

no you are theres only like 3 rundowns

[prime ore]

Just play Ready or Not idk

[carmine grotto]

once you have to do the cross country traversal of R5 you'll wish you were

[prime ore]

GTFO players when they play an actual non scitzo difficulty game

[prime ore]

That sounds grape!

[digital mural]

GTFO is the only game that has fucked me upside down

I swear

[timber shoal]

call me gtfo

[digital mural]

This is by far the hardest game I have played

[neat vapor]

yeah same probably

[winter breach]

Definitly

[digital mural]

Oh my

I will

[prime ore]

Isnt like GTFO still number 1 hardest co-op game??

[digital mural]

[neat vapor]

im just good now so it stopped being so hard

and by good i mean ok

[digital mural]

This game is mostly a knowledge check

[timber shoal]

need more twinks in my dms tbh

[prime ore]

And aim

[neat vapor]

your aim doesnt need to be that good

[digital mural]

I don't need aim
I use shotguns

[ripe hamlet]

time to play hardcore platformer and rhythm game

or just finnish games

[timber shoal]

bring out the skong

[neat vapor]

gtfo is a hardcore platformer

[ripe hamlet]

silk song is not that hard chat

[timber shoal]

big if true

[timber shoal]

yeah ik

[digital mural]

Platformers are whatever to me, I suck at rhythm games

[fathom ice]

correct it's terrible

[winter breach]

When running from many enemies yes

[timber shoal]

people really overinflate the difficulty

[prime ore]

If you dont land like over 90% of the shots it feels like I have 0 ammo

[fathom ice]

no like

main point is

[prime ore]

That or my friends just miss half the shots and I just don't see it

[ripe hamlet]

they get crazy when you reach something like i wanna be the gun fangames

[timber shoal]

sounds like your team is doing fuck all lmfao

[neat vapor]

no its when your teammate goes afk and you need to not waste the med

[fathom ice]

everything is not hard because of movesets and other stuff

you just take double damage

[winter breach]

True

[fathom ice]

so it's like not interesting

[timber shoal]

wait did you just say skong sucks

[prime ore]

We alredy made an ammo joke about this

[fathom ice]

yes

[timber shoal]

horrendous take

whatever

[neat vapor]

the double damage is not that bad you have a better heal and stronger movement + burst damage

[ripe hamlet]

its just your bog standard metroidvania chat

its nothing special

[winter breach]

Just cope

And use a controller

[fathom ice]

stronger movement is a heavy lie

[tardy ingot]

I swear

ill never understand

beginners using spear

[timber shoal]

???

[tardy ingot]

running into the main issues it has

[fathom ice]

burst damage is like same as first game

[tardy ingot]

complaining about it

[digital mural]

Range = good

[tardy ingot]

and then still not wanting to swap

cuz spear = best

for them

[prime ore]

Spear isn't useless but yeah its mostly bad

[neat vapor]

hammer is better for new players anyways imo and they still run spear

[prime ore]

Unless you want freelo scout kills its not good for anything else

[fathom ice]

heal is just different from first game and it's aight

[winter breach]

Its just a high skill cap weapon tbh

[tardy ingot]

hammer when it has better scout kill angles

[digital mural]

You guys don't understand
It's the human nature to go back to monkey using spears to hunt

[prime ore]

With spear its kinda easier cuz its pin point so you just aim at their head and that's it

Its not that big of an improvement

[timber shoal]

it forces you to sacrifice your whole silk gauge at the benefit of being fast as fuck and having maneuverability with it

[carmine grotto]

"recently they buffed the spear so you can charge while running with it, making it objectively the best mele weapon" -Spiff

[prime ore]

But its something ig

[tardy ingot]

hitting the head rly shouldnt be the difficult part

hammer being able to sprint and sprint jump faster is a massive advantage

[neat vapor]

air bind is crazy everything is a heal window

[fathom ice]

yea what if you don't need to heal 3

[timber shoal]

higher skill cap healing

[prime ore]

I fully forgot spiff played this game

[fathom ice]

you sac a WHOLE bar for 1 or 2

[tardy ingot]

and?

thats decision making

[timber shoal]

then you have to decide whether to use silk on attacks or wait to take damage (riskier)

[prime ore]

Maybe for you but not for my friends really lol I do get u tho

[fathom ice]

that's why i said it's just a different heal with it's gimmicks

[winter breach]

Cuz its kinda wierd for them how the hammer hits the enemy and where bc spear is just a simple stab

[tardy ingot]

there is def complaints made about silksong. but the healing rly isnt it imo

[fathom ice]

like i don't see first game heal being worse in any sense

[neat vapor]

the main ones for me are shards existing and that one boss runback in BW

[prime ore]

I love how meeles hit from different angles

[tardy ingot]

one of the biggest issues is environmental hazards doing 2x dmg lolol

[fathom ice]

^

[prime ore]

Knife and bat from the side, hammer from up and then spear is pin point

[digital mural]

Just like in real life!!!!!

[fathom ice]

that is not great ye

[winter breach]

True but i dont really mind it since it makes sense

[uneven kiln]

League of Legends Solo Queueing

[tardy ingot]

being able to heal mid air is pretty big

[fathom ice]

ye i agree on that one

listen

[prime ore]

https://tenor.com/view/league-moments-gif-3864847921715501909

[winter breach]

Lets not talk about that game

[fathom ice]

the game became terrible when pogo became 45°

[timber shoal]

and you’ve lost me

[neat vapor]

leave the pogo alone it is my favorite part

[dapper kestrel]

yeah everything in the game basically doing 2 masks feels yucky. harder than hk, but imo the bosses dont scale up very difficult as you progress, they just have a higher base difficulty

[fathom ice]

like some crest pogos are actually wild

[timber shoal]

alr time to not read this chat and actually play skong

[tardy ingot]

what are my issues with silksong...

some areas having no rosaries makes dying there feel rly bad if you need to unlock a bench or fast travel
bosses sometimes having no rewards is a feels bad (still fun tho)
double dmg hazards
bilewater runback (even from secret bench)
the shard currency feels unnecessary. just make it limited uses like it already is

[prime ore]

Lowkey Silksong is much more better than hollow knight atleast for me

[tardy ingot]

side pogo is genuinely super fun and engaging

[prime ore]

It plays faster it feels much better

[tardy ingot]

the game also giving you options to choose from is very good

[fathom ice]

idt 45° pogo is good

[tardy ingot]

it is different

[fathom ice]

at least in the way the game implements its use

[winter breach]

It is, i like to pogo more and i like the new tools system

[tardy ingot]

but I got used to it and its great

[fathom ice]

I agree it's different

[dapper kestrel]

double dying is awful when exploring, since the rosary gains feel scaled to just getting by and buying stations/benches. gl affording anything in shops most of the time

[fathom ice]

it gets better

like you're fine with money in act 2

[tardy ingot]

there is areas where you get rosaries up your ass

and areas with 0

makes sense logically

[winter breach]

It gets WAY better soon enough

[tardy ingot]

but sucks if the benches/fast travel cost money whne you dont have any there

[neat vapor]

what crest is your favorite

[tardy ingot]

like i died with 1.6 rosaries and forgot about that losing them entirely later

but got back to 1k fast

oh yea!

this is another issue

rosaries being destroyed

by SPIKES

WTF

geo didnt do that either

its so ass

[fathom ice]

geo did psure

[tardy ingot]

nop

its a common complaint on the subreddit that this changed

[dapper kestrel]

yeah after a while, but like to buy out everything, grinding rosaries feels needed. guess not a problem if you dont care about getting absolutely everything

[winter breach]

Bro never used gathering swarm

[neat vapor]

steady body at little to no opportunity cost though

[fathom ice]

yes cuz I'm not a pub

[tardy ingot]

I get everything

I just dont buy it immedaitly asap

[fathom ice]

I assumed it's gone so it's no biggie

[tardy ingot]

I buy it when i need it/have the money

[tardy ingot]

gatherin swarm goated for that

[winter breach]

You need it for 112% tho

[neat vapor]

later in act 2 ive struggled with the prices and i havent lost more than 500 rosaries collectively

[fathom ice]

I don't need to use it but I will buy it

for a percent yes

geo was never a problem therefore gathering swarm is not that useful

[tardy ingot]

go through citadel once. you get like 800 minimum in 10 minutes tops

[fathom ice]

magnetite charm on the other thought

[dapper kestrel]

im just looking for the last like 4-6%, a lot of what was remaining was just shop stuff I couldnt afford till I grinded rosaries for a bit

[neat vapor]

i have a farming spot now its like 125 or so every minute

[tardy ingot]

tbf I dont enjoy farming. I just gain some when traveling

[tardy ingot]

gs makes it so I dont have to get the geo

[neat vapor]

i dont either but im at a point where everything i have left to doesnt get me rosaries

[dapper kestrel]

yeah, which is why I left the grinding till the end

[fathom ice]

no even without getting it

you're still fine cuz grabs / relics / boss rewards

[tardy ingot]

no like, actually gathering it is tedious for me

[fathom ice]

like you just get so much

[tardy ingot]

even from a chest

the amount is fine otherwise (aside from upgrades from fragile charms)

[dapper kestrel]

oh yeah, magnet is a must have for me in this game. idr using gathering in hk, but I think thats cuz geos werent really a problem

[fathom ice]

yea fragile upgrades are a bit expensive

but like

[tardy ingot]

they are supposed to be

[fathom ice]

you really only need them in pantheons

and they don't break there

[neat vapor]

the tool system is a lot better than charms imo

[fathom ice]

so there's no reason to upgrade them really

[tardy ingot]

man i remember speedrunning HK

fun times

[neat vapor]

but that might just be because the meta hasnt developed yet

[fathom ice]

it's aight

it's a good concept

[tardy ingot]

I think the shard system sucks. It either doesnt do anything or people are always out of them

the limited uses already do their job

[neat vapor]

im excluding shards theyre the worst part of the game by far

[dapper kestrel]

tools broken for boss fights ngl. free damage goes crazy, interested in seeing how its optimized for speedruns

[neat vapor]

i just mean how it all interacts

[tardy ingot]

I have so many shard bundles and its like i dont need em

[fathom ice]

same

[tardy ingot]

I like the variance of the tools

[neat vapor]

theres a lot more good builds especially with crests

[fathom ice]

it's like you're full on shards for 5 hours

and then you're out for 10 hours

and then it's fine

[tardy ingot]

overall silksong is an insanely good game

[fathom ice]

it is acceptable

[neat vapor]

i think its better than hk in most ways

[fathom ice]

there's quite a bit of flaws ngl

[tardy ingot]

agree

every game has flaws

[dapper kestrel]

Yeah its a great game for sure, some glaring gripes, but overall doesnt drop it down too much

[fathom ice]

no it's like

actually disturbing

but when it doesn't

it's quite good

[dapper kestrel]

the kill x amount of enemies quests was certainly an inclusion they made to the game

[tardy ingot]

shards
double dmg hazards
rosary distribution
bilewater runback

aside from that I have barely any complaints

theres stuff im partial about

but thats not complaints

[neat vapor]

those are basically mine too

besides double damage hazards they dont feel that bad imo but i see why

[fathom ice]

whats bilewater

i'm playing in diff language

[tardy ingot]

oh boy

ah

LUL

I thought you didnt get there

[dapper kestrel]

I actually just missed the map and did that whole region blind

[fathom ice]

I remember a terrible runback on one of the bosses

[dapper kestrel]

That kinda sucked, but I just got unlucky

[tardy ingot]

oh boy

[neat vapor]

betting on last judge

[fathom ice]

that was pretty bad

[tardy ingot]

its the area with
bile... water

(top right-ish of the map)

[fathom ice]

but u get used to it

[tardy ingot]

last judge is pretty chill as a run back ngl

[fathom ice]

oh

i get it

[neat vapor]

last judge runback is fun i will die on that hill

[tardy ingot]

fast route has you not fight anything

[dapper kestrel]

that run back is good training for amazon delivery mode

[fathom ice]

team my last judge runback was from bottom bench

[tardy ingot]

oof what

why

[fathom ice]

cuz I didn't have rosaries for top bench

[tardy ingot]

...

[fathom ice]

nor for stag

[tardy ingot]

that feels like an unnecessary issue

ngl

[fathom ice]

i mean

[tardy ingot]

especially cuz its so close to a stag aswell at that point

[fathom ice]

I had to go around the whole area for like 200 rosaries

[dapper kestrel]

yeah, for sure just grinding the stag price and then taking it every time would have been the play there

[tardy ingot]

could just go back to the closest station

[fathom ice]

and enemies are terrible as well

that area is just not fun

[tardy ingot]

honestly the guardians are kinda neat

the red drill guys are fine

[fathom ice]

the red drill guys are TERRIBLE

[tardy ingot]

I genuinely disliked the standard pilgrims more there

red drill guys biggest issue is them fucking off outside my screen when I wanna kill

[dapper kestrel]

at the same time they are a bit nasty. but can generally avoid if moving fast through the runback

[tardy ingot]

but they also barely pose and issue when you wanna walk past

[fathom ice]

no when ure just exploring

like they're just flying

[tardy ingot]

gotta kill then ya

[fathom ice]

and being annoying

[prime ore]

https://tenor.com/view/skyrim-khajiit-shake-cat-cats-gif-16103755014821569356

[dapper kestrel]

throw a tool at them or something. but yeah can be annoying when camping above like a big drop/hazard

[fathom ice]

my tool doesn't go up

[tardy ingot]

well, im not done with silksong yet

[fathom ice]

it's like only sides

[tardy ingot]

so im keeping my final verdict

[fathom ice]

me neither

[tardy ingot]

hollow knight has/had the advantage of being a fully finished game

without godhome for example id consider it a bit worse

[prime ore]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-hollow-knight-bugs-hollow-knight-bugs-fight-hollow-knight-fight-gif-4796561906590749259

[fathom ice]

i mean silksong should be too no?

[tardy ingot]

the ability to refight all my fav bosses is just chefskiss

silksong is freshly released

[neat vapor]

how far in are you

[fathom ice]

ye but like

[tardy ingot]

it doesnt have the dlcs hollow knight got after

[prime ore]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-gif-1317513878955975206

[dapper kestrel]

silksong missing the dlc and post release quirk patches

[fathom ice]

oh u mean that

yeah i get it

[tardy ingot]

it doesnt have the touch up patches hollow knight had (idk if the current one is out yet)

[dapper kestrel]

before the dlc hk also got a few updates in general to make it better ye

[neat vapor]

that means we get the good speedrun skips

[dapper kestrel]

I will say I didnt get to use spells too often cuz of double damage

[tardy ingot]

I didnt get to test the parry yet (of the 4 I have)

silkstorm is pretty decent

[neat vapor]

from my memory it has the lowest damage but it gives i frames

[tardy ingot]

the other 2 are kinda dissapointing rn

[dapper kestrel]

but I think I and most people did that in hk too when first playing. after mastery and knowing the bosses, you can go even more aggro using them

[tardy ingot]

afaik it does more than the other 2 I have

its good for ad clear

anyway, ill be out

[dapper kestrel]

parry alright, I think spear ended up being my go to for the most part, and then sometimes the parry

[tardy ingot]

food soon and shower

[neat vapor]

its 2.4x needle compared to silkstorms 4.5x, spear at 3x, and dart is 2.75x iirc

[tardy ingot]

oh parry

I thought silkstorm

mb

[neat vapor]

yeah silkstorm does the highest usually especially if you extend it by pressing the button more

[dapper kestrel]

swing speed was annoying for me especially after quickslash in hk when first starting the game

[azure stone]

Question does missing a hack once instantly alert enemies even if they dont glow?

Cuz mfer woke up instantly and the entire room got alerted and I got put into the corner by 9 giants

[tiny wyvern]

If they're within 5 meters of you yes

They will instawake

(this is why lockmelters exist, to silently melt them in these cases)

[azure stone]

Pov you are lockmelterless for the entire mission

[civic wave]

some other sounds instantly wake enemies within range too

[azure stone]

didnt even find one

[civic wave]

hitting the walls/floor with melee, sprinting, gunshots, etc

[tiny wyvern]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Enemies#Dispatching_Procedures_&_Understanding_the_aggro

Here, more info

Don't scroll up if you don't want spoilers, it should lead you to the right spot

[azure stone]

this is hard asf to get the achievement for doing a B class mission alone with only pistols

[civic wave]

going solo is rough when you're inexperienced

[tiny wyvern]

Which level?

[civic wave]

it's a normal struggle

[azure stone]

R1B1 I had 10/12 ids and needed the one in a lock box

[timber shoal]

revo and hical are both goated

[tiny wyvern]

What pistols are you running?

(For the love of god please don't say burst pistol)

[timber shoal]

pleasee say burst pistol

[azure stone]

faq no

Hel revolver is my prefered with revolver

[tiny wyvern]

If you're struggling with bigs High cal would be better

[thick stump]

I completed that achievement with that and revolver

[tiny wyvern]

You can... but without the proper tactic of using it it sucks

Hel pis is good for crowd stall btw, if you're struggling with crowds

[azure stone]

not at all

[thick stump]

I tried to stealth everything and if I messed up, I ran away and shot the enemies down xD

[tiny wyvern]

Well hel rev and normal rev should do good enough

[tardy ingot]

7

[tiny wyvern]

It was 7?
Goddamn it

[tardy ingot]

yup

[tiny wyvern]

What has a range of 5?

[tardy ingot]

uh

[tiny wyvern]

I love pub misinfo faqing my head

[tardy ingot]

aside from door break number (which tru figured out months after the video and are funny due to how it works anyhow) just check the stealth guide for these numbers typically

[sudden nexus]

whats door break?

[tardy ingot]

when a door gets broken?

or you mean the distance?

im not 100% sure (like genuinely) but iirc tru said smth like 11 meters
there is a few funny parts though. Like needing los for one of the door sides (which is determined by level gen, usually away from elevator). There is also the fact that depending on the environment/tile set the door breaking los check just gets blocked by the ground since it comes from the center bottom part of it

dont remember if there was anything else

[burnt inlet]

lessgo

[tardy ingot]

@timber shoal congrats to the solo with 3 bots clear

[timber shoal]

why thank you

i lwk forgot how goated sniper sentry is

[upper ginkgo]

used to be giga strong in r7

[civic wave]

people too busy with burst sentry to have any fun

[tardy ingot]

damn I dont remember

[upper ginkgo]

fuck i wish I had that twitch clip of a sniper sentry soloing a whole wave banging on a door

[tardy ingot]

was sniper sentry nerfed first in alt r2 or alt r3

or was it alt r4 even?

[upper ginkgo]

thought it was during r7

[tardy ingot]

that is genuinely

2 fucking years ago

[civic wave]

burst sentry takes you out for dinner in a mediocre chain restaurant
sniper sentry glams you up and takes you shopping
auto sentry gives you the wildest party of your life

variety is the spice of life

[upper ginkgo]

shotgun sentry dumped me :(

[civic wave]

yeaaaaaa

the ex nobody speaks about

[ripe hamlet]

do true duo

[tardy ingot]

shotgun sentry is the dude who tries to sell your organs

[ripe hamlet]

ovl is real fun with true duo

[burnt inlet]

solo 2 bots and 1 enemy on her 24/7

[burnt inlet]

we arent that good

[ripe hamlet]

😔

[timber shoal]

no ❤️

i do not like overload very much

[upper ginkgo]

i love mini r1c1

[burnt inlet]

its the best part

[ripe hamlet]

but youll get real intimate with bbc

[timber shoal]

fine with bbcs, not so fine with hybrids

[burnt inlet]

i think its cuz dodo doesnt like things which shoot a lot on her

[timber shoal]

that's debatable

[ripe hamlet]

[burnt inlet]

i think i found textmeshpro

silly

[ripe hamlet]

the legendary t cosmetic

[ashen frigate]

I like how Woods seems perplexed about it on the first screenshot

[burnt inlet]

😭

[lucid badge]

just a thought, is it possible to solo kill a big guy with only melee? the bots dont wanna help they just rush him and get downed after hes awake from my first hit

if you know where to hit (ik headshots gotta do more dmg) pls I need it (Im a bit new)

[ripe hamlet]

yes

but you need hammer or spear

and youll have to take advantage of limb breaking to force stagger and back damage multiplier to get enough damage to limb break before he finishes stagger animation

you can fully stealth a giant that way

[digital mural]

Charge hammer and aim to the limbs

Youll break the limb and stagger the giant enough time to charge and hit again

[tardy ingot]

Any melee can…

[digital mural]

I think Snek was talking about killing the giant stealthy

[lucid badge]

yeah

i poked him with a knife

it hurt

[digital mural]

Knife sucks against giants yeh

That's why hammer is the best all rounder

Can deal with everything

[lucid badge]

gotcha

[lucid badge]

can a landmine break limb?

[digital mural]

Try to do what i said, it will take a bit of time to get it consistently

[lucid badge]

and how many hits to the knee to unknee the biggin

[digital mural]

Uuuuh, do not mine the giant, thats a horrible idea

Talking from experience

[lucid badge]

so the landmine deployer sucks?

I spammed mines to deal with big guys

[digital mural]

The efficient and beat way to deal with enemies with mines is by using doors

Wake up the enemies, mine a door from your side and close the door

The enemies will bunch up on the door and once they break it, most of them will die

[lucid badge]

Ok will do 👍

[digital mural]

Giants take like 3 mines to kill so get ready to keep shooting

[lucid badge]

Also is Using the thic revolver better than the 50ae pistol? they both just say high dmg

[digital mural]

You can also pair mines with foam, reinforce the door with foam to give more time for the enemies to gather.

[burnt inlet]

Knife makes you reliant on either RNG or teammates, and as you’ve seen bots aren’t great teammates

[digital mural]

Revoler is for quick kills, mostly smalls
High cal is for small and bigs, but shoots slower

[lucid badge]

alr thx for the info

[digital mural]

High cal one shots smalls at close distance

Which is hugeeeeee

[burnt inlet]

Sapper if you really wanna solo a giant with a knife first hit full charge the back of its head, if it turns around shoot it and if it doesn’t target limbs

[lucid badge]

yeah I used the highcal pistol and it worked good but the Thicvolver caught my eye,

[lucid badge]

thats what I did, back of head then try to run, but i always get hit before i can get away

[burnt inlet]

Dont run away is my tip

[tardy ingot]

Yea?
(All melees can)

[burnt inlet]

Yea but like knife is hard plus involves rng

[tardy ingot]

no rng if goated

[lucid badge]

just melee combo him?

[digital mural]

Lets be real
A normal player wont really be able to consistently kill a giant on stealth with knife

[tardy ingot]

its just the „you need“ restriction

[digital mural]

Especially if theres other enemies around

[tardy ingot]

bat is also genuinely easy as hell to do it

which got excluded

[burnt inlet]

If his back is still towards you yes, if he turns around DONT move to his back and melee, instead shoot him

[digital mural]

I forgor about bat

Bat is only good to bully enemies anyways

[burnt inlet]

I’ve seen one or two bat pubs in my 450 hours of pubbing🔥

[tardy ingot]

also moth knife solo isnt as rng as you think

[burnt inlet]

I swear it feels like it

[lucid badge]

lol mb

[burnt inlet]

Nah ur fine we trollin

[digital mural]

am i?

[burnt inlet]

Yes

[digital mural]

Alright bbg

[burnt inlet]

I knew you’d be obedient

[lucid badge]

use bat,
back of head first hit and knee capp him
if he turns around, light him up

got it

[burnt inlet]

If you use bat just hit him repeatedly

I was talking about knife

[digital mural]

Bat has crazy stagger
Spam that melee button

Bully the enemy

[burnt inlet]

Fr

[lucid badge]

full charge or spamm?

[burnt inlet]

Full charge

Full charge is like

.5 seconds anyways

As quick as knife

[lucid badge]

ah ok

ima be doing a rundown maybe 8:00, will try this new info thxx

[burnt inlet]

Don’t do rundown 8

Do rundown 1 then 2

[lucid badge]

8pm***

[burnt inlet]

Ooooh

[digital mural]

Do Fatal Experiment 2 first

[burnt inlet]

Mb

[lucid badge]

yeye

[lucid badge]

?

[burnt inlet]

Do samdown first

[burnt inlet]

Very hard mod

[lucid badge]

what stage is that

[digital mural]

Modded rundown

[lucid badge]

ohhh

[digital mural]

Ignore it for now lol

[civic wave]

if you're gonna circlejerk you might as well be good at it

[lucid badge]

ill do mods once I finnish the game 😭

[digital mural]

Idk what that means

[lucid badge]

I saw a mod for a bigger lobby

[civic wave]

me neither tbh

[lucid badge]

I gotta try it

[burnt inlet]

Where the FUCK did this come from😭😭😭😭

[digital mural]

LOL

[burnt inlet]

Makes the game super eeez

[digital mural]

It can also break the game

[burnt inlet]

Yea

[lucid badge]

I think more than 4 sentries breaks it right?

I read the thingy

[digital mural]

Be ready for possibly low frame rate

Very low frame rate

[lucid badge]

oh

like internet issues or hardware

[digital mural]

The game can handle 4+ players but it can get very funky in some situations

[burnt inlet]

Both:3

[lucid badge]

oh 😭

[burnt inlet]

Well depends if you’re playing solo and fill with bots or 7 friends

[digital mural]

8 pubs vs R8

[burnt inlet]

I wonder how much of a pub I am

[digital mural]

My scanner says you are 90% Pub

[burnt inlet]

🔥🔥🔥🔥

[tardy ingot]

Moth… moth

[burnt inlet]

Dude

Shush

[tardy ingot]

Where is this recent miss info coming from

[burnt inlet]

😔

It’s quick charge

”Its like” = give or take 1 second off

[digital mural]

Read what i said above and you'll know

:3

[burnt inlet]

Hyperbole or smth idk

😔

[tardy ingot]

nah

bonked

[burnt inlet]

I swear it’s not that big tho?

[digital mural]

How are you going to take a second from 0.5s

[burnt inlet]

It’s quick I swear (insert cope)

[burnt inlet]

-0.5 second

[digital mural]

Damn

Math

[burnt inlet]

Smh

[tardy ingot]

Its 1 second

[burnt inlet]

SEE

[tardy ingot]

knife is 0.6

[digital mural]

LMAO

[tardy ingot]

0.5 and 1 is a massive difference

[burnt inlet]

0.4 second isn’t that big diff

[tardy ingot]

it is

[burnt inlet]

It really isn’t (cope)

[tardy ingot]

[digital mural]

Thats what she said

[burnt inlet]

If ur late to ur lesson by 0.4 seconds ur not getting absence

Smh Eva

Alladese speedrunners

Overestimating time

[digital mural]

I mean

0.5 seconds is a massive difference

[burnt inlet]

0.4 isn’t tho (cope)

Plus stagger is like 5 billion seconds

[digital mural]

You know what i can do in 0.4 seconds?

[burnt inlet]

That’s cuz you don’t last for a long time though

[digital mural]

Then help me to last a long time 🙏

[burnt inlet]

Dw Pablo Will take it as a compliment

[burnt inlet]

Training🔥

[digital mural]

[civic wave]

maybe i should start spreading a new brand of gtfo misinfo

where it's not explicitly non correct, but very much nonsensical

but i cant think of anything good hmmmm

[lucid badge]

So you're the one

[carmine grotto]

@grizzled patrol they're trying to take your spot

[winter breach]

You can beat gtfo with only using carbine and veruta which means all other guns that exist are useless

[serene laurel]

for those who are playing from China, how do you guys connect to discord? As in what vpn do you use?

[tiny wyvern]

Any that can cross the wall should do

From what i've been able to tell

The Chinese GTFO folk afaik have their own community, and since VPNs with this game tends to be bad, we usually don't see them around here

Most you'll see of the chinese folk are from the HK side of things

Who probably won't be able to tell you much

Best just reach out to the CN side of things and ask them directly, I haven't seen any of them around these parts

[tiny wyvern]

Are you just curious, or do you need to know this for the future?

[serene laurel]

im gonna be in china for a few months and I dont really want to have extra ping when trying to play the game and use discord

and I prefer talking in english when playiing this game

cuz like

what am i gonna call the scout?

[tiny wyvern]

Q commands, most likely

[serene laurel]

侦探？面条？

man that is werid

[tiny wyvern]

You'll pick up what they call them pretty easily

[serene laurel]

BUT I WANT TO CALL THE SCOUNT FORBDDEN SPAGHETTI

[tiny wyvern]

But anyways, hopping the wall isn't something i'm very experienced with
so i can't help you much

[serene laurel]

I hate the firewall

[gentle forge]

How does alt r2e1 stack up against other expeditions in terms of difficulty?

[little pilot]

~4th to 6th hardest mission in the game

[safe cradle]

How much difference would you say is between R2E1 and R7E1 in terms of difficulty?

I agree it's perhaps 5th-6th hardest level in the game

[gentle forge]

If you can beat r2e1, are you in good shape to take on the other missions or are they vastly more difficult?

[uneven kiln]

decently harder

R2E1 actually gives you time to think for like 75% of the level

The others not so much

[little pilot]

most missions u can beat, but there are a few that can destroy ur team as they require some stuff that most people just dont expect

[safe cradle]

It depends because some maps require knowledge that you dont need in R2E1 like how to deal with ||Pablo or the Snatcher or Tanks for R4E1||

I'd say that R2E1 requires you to be very good at the basics

[gentle forge]

Oh damn. Gonna leave this unspoiled so I can get surprise wrecked lol

[safe cradle]

Other maps start throwing an increasing amount of stuff at you

[gentle forge]

Oh wait is that spoiler for r2e1

[safe cradle]

No

[gentle forge]

Oh ok

I misread it nvm

[safe cradle]

R2E1 is "just" being good at surge, not getting fucked up by waves, and not getting your ass wiped costantly by hybrids before the "hard" part

[gentle forge]

Yeah all that’s very manageable up to the error alarm part and I just don’t have good map knowledge of that section yet

[safe cradle]

Perhaps I'm wrong but what I mean is that R2E1 tests if you know the "basics" decently enough

[gentle forge]

My team and I are currently working on r2e1. I’ve beaten it once but felt like I got carried by the other guys I was playing with and want to beat it “for real” lol

Last night we got to the first surge alarm in the error section but got killed because we couldn’t find the generator to insert the cell in that room lol

We also didn’t bring cfoam and I’m thinking we should probably swap one of the two burst sentries for cfoam for the error alarm part

[uneven kiln]

A good way to remember where it is, is that it's in the same place as the starting zone of the level, only it's not back against the blue cargo/transformer box, it's flush against the wall because the isolated island in that variant of the room is now connected to the top of the room

[gentle forge]

Yeah I noticed that it’s right below the double ramp thing, so that’ll make it easy to locate

[halcyon current]

Someone once told me R2E1 is only really hard for where it is and tbh after playing the 2 rundowns after that makes sense

Like R4E1 makes R2E1 look like a C tier at hardest tbh

[ocean spindle]

feels like thats a biit of an exaggeration considerin r2e1 is still lik fift or so hardest leevel in the game

[fathom ice]

big incorrect

[ocean spindle]

damn

u alll been lying to me

smh

[prime musk]

lowkey r2e1 is harder than r4e1sec
like there are NO wipe points in r4e1 compared to r2e1

[fathom ice]

no zed you are just a pub

we are pubs

[prime musk]

MY bad

[fathom ice]

r2e1 stands its ground

[prime musk]

given the gamestate when ogr2e1 released it holds up really well i think

[burnt inlet]

R2E1 is kinda hard but I don’t know where I’d personally place it, I feel like it’s easier than R4D2 PE but was a while since I played R4D2

[prime musk]

r4d2 pe is like
a bitch in not 4man and super fine in 4man

you just grab the thing after last thing and it's fine, save some reps from start

[burnt inlet]

R2E1 is like super fine in 4 man too

[halcyon current]

I mean, GTFO in general is better with 3 other competent people tbf

[prime musk]

nah the 2e1 error can still be scary even in 4man, same for the 2nd alarm if you roll really badly

[burnt inlet]

I might’ve just had more troubles with R4D2 due to inexperience

[halcyon current]

R2E1 also has the misfortune of being where it is so new players run face first into it so pubs for it are worse, anecdotal evidence gathering for that tho

[prime musk]

but 4d2 you just run quad pen and foam and it's free

[burnt inlet]

Almost everytime I’ve played it I’ve gotten good people

[rose hazel]

I think new r2e1 layout is easier than r2e1 og

specifically in error zone

[burnt inlet]

Maybe I just got lucky

[halcyon current]

I envy your good fortune

[burnt inlet]

Just play with sleepo ez carry ngl

And pull your weight

[halcyon current]

I really try not to play with the names I recognize in this discord cause I feel like I don't develop as much as a player tbh

[prime musk]

you have to roll kinda badly for it to be scary, but if the wave timing is bad with room stuff and forward spawns at inopportune times it can be fucked

[prime musk]

improving is just about trying your best and taking risks, pushing yourself, etc

[burnt inlet]

Maybe, but you can also get disastrous players

[timber shoal]

like me