gtfo-related-questions

[prime musk]

arguing that he put bullpup there because it's the worse when every other option is not, isn't something im buying

[steady maple]

I still think bullpup is worse

better dps but you expend your magazine quicker and your reload is longer

Youre just draining ammo with a bullpup rifle

when your efficiency is so bad you need to be making every bullet count

[sturdy glen]

It's bullpup cuz I said so

Literally

[prime musk]

they both get 7 striker kills per ammo
it's not that bad

let's not pretend ttk is a less valuable stat then ammo efficiency when time is what makes more enemies show up that demand ammo

[tardy ingot]

bullpup and ar are simply clear bottom 2

[steady maple]

Whichever gun is worse is going to depend on what traits in a gun you consider more valuable

I dont pretend ttk is a less valuable stat, I think its a less valuable stat straight up. At least thats my opinion

[tardy ingot]

not being stuck reloading for half the run

[flat pecan]

another question for you guys, As 3 players, is 3 hammer a must have ? or can we have a knife player to help clearing faster the strikers rooms ?

[ripe hamlet]

any combination is fine

there are only a few lvls where you would want some specific melees

[flat pecan]

alright, I'll look for guides to clear the giants and stuff with 2 hammer + knifes then

[ripe hamlet]

you only need 2 hammers to consistently stealth a giant

just keep breaking their limbs to force stagger

[tiny wyvern]

If you want better giant clear grab a bat

Outside of that 2 hammers are more than good enough

[flat pecan]

I mean right now we're used to 3 hammer max force hit in the back / occiput

the 2 hammer strat is basically hitting the limbs but with delay between the hits to keep the stagger right ?

But I don't understand how do you do that without waking up the adjacent sleepers / giants / whatever

[tiny wyvern]

Yes you use limb breaks to force stagger as slithering said

You don't

That's the neat part

Which is why you want a bat that can deal with it

[flat pecan]

alright, now I understand

[tiny wyvern]

And hopefully just keep him occupied

If you're good, you can just have hammers solo giants

You'll take a backhand more often than not

But it helps a lot

You can also occi + double backstab limb stagger with knife, but you're playing with fire in that scenario

[loud isle]

umm, sorry to interrupt, but anyone got some tips for some beginners?

[tiny wyvern]

What sort of tips are you looking for?

[loud isle]

how to use items you pick up 😅 i just started playing 5 minutes ago and got 2 items from a locker and can't figure it out for the life of me, i might be a tad bit drunk

[tardy ingot]

https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/884816732936622110

scroll through this channel

[tiny wyvern]

That or you can #lfg-beginners and someone might come along and teach you
Provided rn most people are at work or asleep, so there won't be a lot of peps around

[loud isle]

oh shoot, thank you, sorry. lol

[tardy ingot]

https://youtu.be/I0PP1U_MM74

this hopefully helps?

[ripe hamlet]

hold e

[tiny wyvern]

oh yea eva if you have to stealth a giant with knife is there actually any good way of doing it

[ripe hamlet]

or your pick up item key

[tardy ingot]

solo or more

[loud isle]

oh you're lkidding me

[tiny wyvern]

solo

[ripe hamlet]

everything in this game uses that button

[tardy ingot]

Sleeping occi
Limb -> limb -> limb -> kill

(All from behind obviously)

[loud isle]

._.

i CAN'T belive it was that easy.... omg.

[tiny wyvern]

yea that makes sense thanks

[tiny wyvern]

E is your interact button

[loud isle]

i'm so used to f 😅

[tiny wyvern]

You pick stuff up with it and go into terminals with it

F is flashlight in this game

[loud isle]

mmmm ok

[tiny wyvern]

They react to light and soudn

Light comes from F

[ripe hamlet]

solo stealth giant is gamba

if the big guy spins youre probably cooked

[tiny wyvern]

And sounds come from meleeing objects, shooting, sprinting and WASD movements (Crouching or uncrouching makes noise too, be careful)

[ripe hamlet]

unless youre bat gaming

[tardy ingot]

nah

Spin animation doesnt impact orientation until its finished pretty much

[loud isle]

that does make sense, lol, i died to the FIRST stealth "test" but figured it out, very cool that lighnt triggers them, came from dayz so light has never really been an issue before

alright, thanks all for the help, i'm gonna gtfo'tta here before i piss someone off with my idiocy 😂 thanks again and take care all

[flat pecan]

Yeah thanks , I'll have a look

[safe cradle]

Just take 3 hammers

Let's assume you wake up another giant as you're trying to kill giant A, you've more than enough time as along as one of you just switches target to giant B

Considering that it isn't that common to have more than 2 giants in the same room, let alone close together (can happen decently often, R1B1 for example or R1D1's res zones) it's pretty forgiving

even more forgiving if you get a bot as a 4th

True you can clear strikers faster with a knife but the more skilled you become at using hammer, the more this advantage becomes less useful IMHO

3 people charging with hammer, even if they're not very good at abusing occiput and enemies wake up animations, means 3 enemies dead every, what, 1.8 seconds?

I'd say that's pretty fast

[craggy pier]

That’s assuming you hit your hammers and don’t put new dents in the floor or give the strikers chiropractic “adjustments” like I do xD

But agreeing with the above, you definitely want hammers. Knife can’t really take down giants well, and being able to clear giants without spending ammo is extremely useful.

I struggled so hard before I learned to take out giants. Now I can walk through rooms without having to check every 2s if I’m waking something up that I left behind.

[flat pecan]

Thank you all for the advices and answers, I know about the "semi-stealth approach" where you just run in and clear the sleepers before they scream. we just have to get better I guess
If we want to be faster, its a get gud thing not a knife or hammer discussion haha

[tiny wyvern]

To be honest there's a way to dealing with giants with all the melees, though one requires incredible luck and skill to achieve
We don't suggest Knife for giants, but you can still use it on R1-R3 with two hammers and get good enough results

If you do plan on continuing beyond those three Rundowns, however, it's suggested that you either go towards Bat or Hammer. Spear can be used, but it has it's own limitations (no sprint charging, slower charge) that make it unideal for loud stealth, something you'll be required a lot of down the line.
Bat has similar performance to knife, and can soft stagger giants on full charge. Combined with limb breaks it gets much easier to use.
Hammer, well there's a lot on that already

Fast clearing isn't really about getting good, it's more or less getting less and less afriad of screwing up, and knowing how you can deal with screw ups

Would you like me to go on?
I know we've already explained quite a bit, I don't know if you can stand much more.

[craggy pier]

This. Just this. This is just how you get good at the game. You learn through fucking up, but not fucking up and being scared of the consequences

And if your three players get to know each other well enough (and the bot?), then you can easily make up for any mistakes that can happen and sometimes even a 4th player. A team of 3 that can cover for each other’s flaws is better than a team of 4 randoms.

[flat pecan]

To be honest, I used to have a previous group where we reached the point of fast clearing (not as good as what we see in speedrun) but we were able to go fast and deal with screw ups as you said

[tiny wyvern]

Yeah you probably can get there again sooner or later
Though, if you haven't gotten too far into R6-R8 do be careful

There are spots where the potential of a screwup is so bad you simply deal with it one way or another

[flat pecan]

its just that being 3 people in this new group is a bit intimidating and we need to be better because of the lacking 4th player and considering they're a new and I'm the "veteran" one, I'm trying to get some help to provide the good advice haha

[flat pecan]

The only E level I did was R2E1 but I went through most D level up to R7, R8 was not release when I used to play

I think the only D-level I haven't done are R5 and R8 obviously

[tiny wyvern]

Just try to make sure you don't go too fast or unload too much on them, and don't get too bothered by needing to repeat things

Good luck!

[craggy pier]

Personally, I’d advise you covering for your group’s mistakes and letting them learn through that. Give them useful tidbits when needed, but make mistakes less punishing for them and don’t force level repeats because something bad happened

It’s really encouraging when you fail a level but KNOW where you went wrong, as opposed to “oops, woke the 5 scout room, I guess be more careful???”

[flat pecan]

Yeah I know exactly the feeling when you just know your mates are there and covering your own misstakes, we need more playtime before we reach that stage

[craggy pier]

Being able to pick apart little inefficiencies and work on those the next time around will make it so much easier to learn

[flat pecan]

as of right now, I'm trying a spoiler free approach to let them enjoy, but yeah I'm trying to cover the misstakes to finish the level and not get ffrustrated by the 'you needed to know that before entering the level"

We had our first mother last week and I didn't wanted them to take a shotgun or adapt their loadout for this , before encountering it

but its tough to find the sweetspot between teaching and spoiling haha

[craggy pier]

Yeah, as long as you guide them when they get stuck, it seems fine. I was in the same situation with my own group a few months ago when they all burnt out on R2D2. I watched some videos and eventually was able to get us through it…6 months to clear one level is probably the time to seek help

[craggy pier]

I find that as long as nobody is super tired and you don’t lose a 90 minute level to something, it’s best to experience it firsthand

[flat pecan]

Haha I know this feeling too well, R2E1 has been a grind for me back in the day, I think we spent like more than 20h on the level because we wanted to go blind and not looking up for solutions.

At some point we realised we needed to look up the room on the wiki to plan out the error alarm section or we would need another 10hours to get through it by ourselves

[craggy pier]

Yeah, that one’s a pain too. I recently cleared it and there’s no way we can clear it quickly without a guide of sorts

Especially learning surge alarms? Super tough to be thrown into right off the bat

[uneven kiln]

The wiki actually has an advisory to not do the level if going in sequential order lol

and to come back and do it later

for precisely this reason

[ripe hamlet]

its okay

at least you didnt grind e2 for 6 months

[uneven kiln]

I should probably add an advisory for R2D2 as well

[ripe hamlet]

r2d2 not that bad is it?

[uneven kiln]

it's R2D2 R2E1 that gets most new teams super hardstuck to the point of them never playing the game again and it's OK to come back to those

I know of a playgroup that has tried R2D2 at least 15 or so times and they haven't played in months lol

the furthest they ever got was wave 7 code

I know another playgroup that beat it and just stopped there, too

the rest of the playgroups I know beat R1 and stopped there if they never went on to R3+

[ripe hamlet]

me and my duo sets a goal to clear one lvl each session so if we get stuck we'll just grind for a bit then play some easy lvl toward the end for the easy quota clear

[uneven kiln]

yeah that's a good way to do it

[flat pecan]

Yeah at first we did it right after R2D2 but at some point we were getting so demotivated that we started doing R3 and the start of R4 when we were in burnout of R2E1, this shit kicked our ass for a while but it also made us improve drastiscally
When you're consistent on reaching 3rd surge and you go on R3 you feel like gods of the game hahaha
Small egoboost on A-B tier level and then you're ready for a couple more surge

[uneven kiln]

yep that is exactly what the advisory warns for it'd honestly genuinely well-found advice and there's no shame in it

I am glad you came back later

[flat pecan]

but yeah we were not motivated to try the other E level afterwards cause it almost made us stops
And as I heard R2E1 is the easiest E level so yeah, we weren't ready for another grind like this

[uneven kiln]

it is the easiest E level yes

[ripe hamlet]

r8e1

[uneven kiln]

well, the easiest real E

R8E1 isnt an E tier

[flat pecan]

yeah cause of the secondary right ?

[uneven kiln]

R8E1 is like 20 minutes long and its just running for like 75% of it lol

it's a hard C tier at most?

[flat pecan]

whoah whats this

[ripe hamlet]

it shouldve been a real E tier tbh

[uneven kiln]

I WISH it was a real E tier so much

[digital mural]

R8E1 is an easy C tier difficulty

[flat pecan]

is it like that cause of an exploit or is it the normal way ?

[ripe hamlet]

and then imagine if the second half of r8 would all be e tier

[digital mural]

Normal way

R8E1 is: hold W and a 5 min defense section

[ripe hamlet]

wed have the perfect finale gauntlet

[flat pecan]

well, I'm glad I cleared the second easiest E level then :p

as for R2E1 is there any level to "dodge" in the later rundown until you get better ?

I heard lots of things about R5D1 but never started the level

[ripe hamlet]

all the e tier yeah

[uneven kiln]

all the E tiers

R5D1 is like

[digital mural]

By the time you are finishing R4-R5 you should be able to do the E tiers (R4 and R5)

[uneven kiln]

it's okayish for Main

[digital mural]

Keyboard: "should"

[uneven kiln]

but Secondary is horrible

it's one of the most hated levels in the game for good reason

also top 3 longest levels in the game done that way

[digital mural]

And probably the most boring

[flat pecan]

kk so if we managed to clear R2E1 we shouldn't be scared of the other E I guess

[uneven kiln]

You should still be reasonably scared

[burnt inlet]

E2

[uneven kiln]

R2E1 alone doesnt prep you

each E Tier always introduces a bunch of stuff to new teams

[burnt inlet]

I feel like R2E1 is just a ”regular” level turned up a notch

[uneven kiln]

R2E1 is the most chill E tier

[burnt inlet]

R4E1 and R5E1 has like gimmicks to them

[uneven kiln]

the others are pretty much flooring the gas pedal

[flat pecan]

okok well so I can consider its a grind for each E

[uneven kiln]

ye

[burnt inlet]

They’re like diff from all other levels

[burnt inlet]

Ye

[digital mural]

Then there's E2

[burnt inlet]

Haven’t been there

[uneven kiln]

and then if you can help it just avoid doing R5D1 Sec unless your team has like 2.5-3 hours to dedicate to that slog lol

R5D1 Main is like 90m tops but Sec is literally like an entire extra level

its giga long and slow

also severely res starved both in ammo and med

can dip in sec for the Log in the 2nd room tho if you want and get the res from first room

[flat pecan]

well due to summer vacation I don't know when we will reach R5D1 but yeah, its noted that this level is a pain

[uneven kiln]

I have tried to do Sec

with SEVERAL pubs and friends

[ripe hamlet]

r5 lvls are all pretty long anyway

[uneven kiln]

none have succeeded/felt motivated to go beyond 2nd room

[ripe hamlet]

compared to r4 that is

[uneven kiln]

wicked reputation R5D1 Sec has

absolutely E Tier with Sec sheerly for the timesink before everything else

I even told @burnt inlet that it's like one of the most anti-speedrun levels in the entire game (with secondary)

you actually just don't have the resources to just go running through and breaking doors, shooting up all rooms, and Main is already not a fun run with all the keys and cells needed to RNG for to be optimal in that scenario

[flat pecan]

its tough to imagine a 3hours long level considering that even in stealth clearing you're way faster than my current group.
If we do an attempt its going to be 5-6 hours for us lmao

[uneven kiln]

I am not exaggerating with that timeframe, it's actually like 2.5h with main + sec

like on a fairly good pace that is

[burnt inlet]

R5B sucks

[prime musk]

if you know what you're doing r5d1 sec is 45-60 min

[ripe hamlet]

r5b1pe ❤️

[prime musk]

like this isn't speedrunning it's just knowing where to go and slotting scatter

[uneven kiln]

yeah this is the window for really experienced teams

[burnt inlet]

Was R5B4 pe the one with the generators?

[uneven kiln]

has anyone even posted a run speedruning R5D1 Sec

Main WR is like 19 ish mins iirc

[ripe hamlet]

r5b4 is warden protocol

[burnt inlet]

Check src

[prime musk]

the only sec speedrun was in gtfo 100% iirc

[burnt inlet]

Which one is the generators?

[burnt inlet]

Not surprising if I’m gonna be honest

[uneven kiln]

yeah alright that makes sense

[ripe hamlet]

r5b1 has sec generator

[burnt inlet]

Fuck that level

All my homies hate R5B1

Specially when playing with mires

Downstairs

[uneven kiln]

average teams: 2-2.5 hours
experienced teams: sub 2h
zed is in your team: 45-60m

[burnt inlet]

Frfr

Zedding out

[rocky sand]

Who's up for r5d1?

[prime musk]

naw
main is pretty good
reactor is peak (zones to it in overload sucks)
sec sucks

overall it is ok

[ripe hamlet]

well now incorporate zedding out into our dictionary

[uneven kiln]

team can we get moth to play this slog of a level

[burnt inlet]

It’s just when we played it we were on last gen and I told people to look downstairs they didn’t listen went into a room, ended up right beside a BBC and they went loud causing us to fail the run

[prime musk]

ye that sucks for sure

[uneven kiln]

zed is genuinely one of the best players I am aware of

[prime musk]

which is why you have hel rifle and burst cannon and pull rooms

[uneven kiln]

downstairs

[burnt inlet]

We had both and a guy on scatter

But bro could’ve just

walked out

Like if you got there without waking it u can get out without it waking

[prime musk]

im decent
like cell skippers team + beth + hani + hange + vozy + sky
are all better

[burnt inlet]

All of these hange wannabe players

[prime musk]

im more oriented into solo/duo in my skillset so i fall off a bit in 4man settings

[uneven kiln]

I just want to point out I didn't wake nor fire the initial shot I was at the base of the stairs

[prime musk]

(skillset as in, what i have played and practiced and reviewed the most)

[ripe hamlet]

duo cell skip 🔥

[burnt inlet]

I know

But you also didn’t say anything :3

[uneven kiln]

that's because I was looking at the gen map

wiki was wrong

[prime musk]

yes

[burnt inlet]

Don’t remember if you were muted or not

[uneven kiln]

i was not muted

[burnt inlet]

But yea ur fault too for not updating the wiki map

[uneven kiln]

hey I updated R5D2

I didnt know R5B1 had wrong maps

[burnt inlet]

Wrong level 🗣️🔥

[prime musk]

at some point (time unknown) between release of alt//r5 and now
some of the zones where regenerated because of positioning of some stuff

[burnt inlet]

Yea ik

[prime musk]

in particular the terminal in r5a3 overload, was inaccessible before that zone was rerolled

(the bhk zone of overload)

[burnt inlet]

Mires hop on the R6A1 duo grind 🔥

[uneven kiln]

that's interesting

[safe cradle]

OG R5B2 sometimes had an EXTRA whole zone

[uneven kiln]

which sector

[safe cradle]

something about the seed fucking up

Was... in secondary

[ripe hamlet]

gtfo creepypasta confirmed?

[uneven kiln]

oh good

[civic wave]

ovl i think

can't remember and about to go for a meeting

[safe cradle]

Even now, secondary has 3 zones, 1 obligatory 2 are split 50/50 for uplink

[civic wave]

fight amongst yourselves

[uneven kiln]

I've never seen moth so excited to play a level than being inside R5B2 Overload

[safe cradle]

in OG R5B2 you could get one of the 50/50 not to exist at all (sec door wasn't there)

[prime musk]

w

[safe cradle]

I think it got fixed in Ext of R5

[uneven kiln]

that is quite interesting that the levelseed worked that way

[burnt inlet]

I don’t remember it tbh

What was that level where you had two BBC error alarm doors that you can open and one command shuts them down in one of the zones

I wanna replay that again

Peak ngl

[uneven kiln]

fog (infectious)
constant error alarm that can forward spawn
osips
spitters

[burnt inlet]

Fuck that level

Rather kms than that shitty ass level

[uneven kiln]

R5 changes a person

you have crap like R5B2 PE and R5D1 Sec

and then you have R5E1 cs

[ripe hamlet]

r5b2pe duo

[prime musk]

r5b1

[ripe hamlet]

zed is so cruel

repeatedly hitting him where it hurts

[prime musk]

i mean it is that level

[ripe hamlet]

truth hurts

[prime musk]

MY bad

[uneven kiln]

fun fact about R5B1 PE, with heat system fixed the reactor spawns some moms mid-wave

[prime musk]

team i still haven't cleared r5b2pe

[ripe hamlet]

actually peak?

[prime musk]

i have no plans of doing it

[ripe hamlet]

you gotta 100% the game zed

[prime musk]

ngl i do not like calling it heatbug because it's been so longstanding it's no longer a bug but intentional
the devs, at least by altr5, used it in level design and did not patch it

my argument for this is that they didn't secretly intend for r5c2pe reactor to have BBCs on wave 5 and 6

[uneven kiln]

That's a fair stance about it. basically a feature. But I also wonder why you have stuff in R8 with alarms with unique stuff still in the bossrole

(just curious)

[prime musk]

probably from copypasted blocks where they never fixed boss role since it doesn't matter

[burnt inlet]

ima do R5B1 main

so good ngl

[prime musk]

if you look around the blocks in general a shocking amount of blocks with like strikers and hybrids have BBCs as boss role

[ripe hamlet]

bbc error is fun

[uneven kiln]

one such instance of this being used is the first surge of R5E1

[burnt inlet]

R5B1 main solo 🤔

[prime musk]

r5b1 main solo is pretty fun

burst cannon carries hard though

[burnt inlet]

R6A1 grind tho

[prime musk]

pe is way harder but still fun (sec still sucks and reactor is VERY hard)

[uneven kiln]

makes sense though. It's the intended difficulty we face, and the "fix" is more of a "hidden unbalanced hardmode" that has extreme ramifications

[wet bear]

Secondary is better gameplay wise trust me

[uneven kiln]

but I know chill has played around it about as much as I have, it's really funny

[prime musk]

no

[fathom ice]

yes

[ripe hamlet]

yes

[surreal lodge]

Yes

[prime musk]

sky im NOT playing r7b3pe

it is NOT happening

[fathom ice]

correct I'm not playing it with you

you're SOLOING it

[prime musk]

MY BAD

[ripe hamlet]

🔥

[safe cradle]

Yeah a lot of stuff is explained by the devs having bigger plans then dropping them midway, take for example the "class" of items in the terminal, most stuff are either Security or Unknown, only exception are IDs, which have Identification class. R1B1 was one of the first maps and it shows that they planned to have more classes for that, then streamlined everything to being either Security or Unknown.

[prime musk]

listen i still have r5 and r6 to get through

and r4c3 d2 that i keep putting off because they're awful

(4c3 moreso)

[uneven kiln]

this is going straight into my notes, thank you

[burnt inlet]

meh R6A1 solo grind

[ripe hamlet]

just grind it

[safe cradle]

It is mostly my speculation but it's weird that only IDs have "Identification" class while GLPs and whatnot dont have their own

On one hand, makes LIST U E_XX work a lot often

On the other hand it feels cheap

[uneven kiln]

I did get a bit of that feeling too, LIST U E_XX works like 90%+ of the time

I do also know of LIST STO E_XX

[tardy ingot]

tbf realistically R5D1 with secondary is a max 2 hour run
It just plays incredibly slow, even more so for genuinely newer players who still slow stealth

[uneven kiln]

genuine question, even for experienced teams, how do you not slow stealth on the way back to main

[wet bear]

Kill all xenos

[tardy ingot]

depends on spawns and ammo situation
a genuinely experienced team (like high end) can avoid slow stealth pretty reliably

a typical experienced team probably plays it slow just to not wipe so late into it

[uneven kiln]

im assuming this is with basically no scout mistakes

the res situation w/o boosters is dire

[dapper kestrel]

I feel like you would be kinda low, but if you can kill the scout you can probably afford to wake up that room that connects to main

[tardy ingot]

guns simply go brrr too often :I

[uneven kiln]

I know you personally do not like R5D1 either EVA lol

[fathom ice]

the res are actually okay low-key

[uneven kiln]

for sec?

Main it's okay

[flat pecan]

is it a respawn room , the room back to the main ?

[fathom ice]

yea for sec

[tardy ingot]

if you play for a secondary speedrun you usually are fine on res when you reach the reactor and nuke tank

[uneven kiln]

multiple respawn zones yes

[fathom ice]

if u grab everything ure more than fine

[wet bear]

Just get that 100% resources found badge

[uneven kiln]

that's actually something I should probably encourage the teammates next time I play. There have been times where opting to not go for res because its in the mom/tank zones and theres a bunch of stuff guarding the box

mainly for tool and med

[prime musk]

remember 1 ammo gets you 5.5 scatter and 8 sawed off

it's A LOT

[wet bear]

Scatter moment

[tardy ingot]

and that alone can kill most rooms in the level if played well

[wet bear]

All bosses are scared of this big chungus of pellets

[fathom ice]

which is in theoretical world 42 kills per refill

actually more but can't be bothered

[prime musk]

it is 43.86 not counting precision giving more

[fathom ice]

ye

WHY do you know that

[prime musk]

i mathed it just now

my bad it's 43.96

[fathom ice]

my bad

[prime musk]

i forgot scatter was 5.52 not 5.5 in my calc

[wet bear]

Guys using math in real life wth

[uneven kiln]

I can say with certainty where I see the massive ammo drains on R5D1 are never the side zones, its the Sustain Cluster, Class VI Sustain, and the Class I Surge into the scream zone

pubs basically never shoot up any rooms unless it was a mess up in stealth

[wet bear]

Long kite ladderfoam

[uneven kiln]

is there a ladder to use that with in Sec

in main yes

[prime musk]

nah
side tank + bbc zone and sec shadow zones are the res drain

everything else is whatever

[fathom ice]

there is a ladder

[prime musk]

you just take sentries and alarms are fine

[fathom ice]

isn't it on stealth scans

[tardy ingot]

hel rifle player who gets pen vs revolver, pr or veruta guy shooting the chargers

[uneven kiln]

I actually had to beg someone external not to take mastaba revolver on this level

[burnt inlet]

lmao

[fathom ice]

what do you MEAN

i want to play revolver

[wet bear]

Use buffed mastaba with 30 damage and 5 pen

[flat pecan]

whats BBC ? I don't get it ?

[uneven kiln]

big charger

[wet bear]

Big black charger

[fathom ice]

pulling out glyphic revo

[flat pecan]

oh thats the name rofl

[wet bear]

Nah nah that's cheating

[fathom ice]

MY bad

[uneven kiln]

I also want to clarify they were not using a dmg booster to hit the 15 breakpoint

they didn't have one

[fathom ice]

i mean it doesn't matter

u have 4 ppl to shoot

[wet bear]

Glyphic has infinite ammo and ammo dumps mags faster so it can't compare to mastaba with 30 and pen

[uneven kiln]

yeah... 2 of those were bots

[wet bear]

Melee alarm to save ammo

[fathom ice]

i UNDERSTAND

[prime musk]

1 scatter 1 hel rifle is enough

[fathom ice]

CORRECT

[uneven kiln]

man I'm so silly this is great advice for the sustain cluster

[wet bear]

Melee reactor waves with spears to save ammo

[uneven kiln]

true!

[wet bear]

Spear time stand in back of scan and jump front and hit sleeper

[uneven kiln]

in fact just don't take bio, foam the enemies during waves to melee them better

it's the real way to play

[fathom ice]

nooo ure wasting tool

[wet bear]

"guys I will be your tool converter, you give me useless tool packs I convert them to ammo or medi, don't forget to turn needed pack on the panel"

[burnt inlet]

instant lightborne active ngl

[ripe hamlet]

r6a1 new dimension looks extra wild today

[sly pivot]

We've been stuck on R4C3 PE for a while now, Secondary and Overload usually go well, but the end of Overload into starting the final part of main is where we slowly die out before finish the rundown. Any tips or tricks?

[safe cradle]

Get guns that can nuke chargers fast (HEL Rifle for example) keep 1 use of ammo inside Main's first zone to take on the way back, try to conserve ammo during Secondary. Another tip is to try to do Main ONLY some time AS FAST AS YOU CAN, to improve that part.

IMHO, bashing your head against PE there will yield results slower than getting the Main portion to know like the back of your hand.

[tiny wyvern]

which one is r4c3

The overload reactor and three cell fog sec?

[safe cradle]

error of chargers

[safe cradle]

No, that's R5B1

[tiny wyvern]

Oh blood door tank

Or rather, a woke up tank behind a door

[safe cradle]

R4C3 secondary is gen cluster with 2 cells, an alarm for taking one of the cells and the alarm at gen cluster starting. Overload is HSU scan that wants 1 cell, error of chargers, and a tank behind a blood door with the bulkhead key.

[tardy ingot]

basically what sleepo said

scattergun for tanks/bbcs (could take burst cannon aswell)

Then when trying to do main fast, pull the room past the main door (by trying to kill scout) and shoot from outside. Could even do secondary + main only so the fog is gone anyway

[safe cradle]

Also when doing PE, try to save the door that goes from Main Bulkhead to Secondary Bulkhead because you can foam it for the first alarm after the error starts.

It CAN break in case you wake up a scout inside Secondary's big room.

[sly pivot]

I think we mainly lose a lot of health and ammo dealing with the tank

[safe cradle]

And be sure to kill ALL of the alarm waves from that alarm before opening main bulk door and pulling that room. Remember that what's in that room is way more dangerous than the enemies that comes from the scout wave, in case you wake scout up.

[sly pivot]

spawning is a bit awkward where you kinda have to run past him into the room to shoot from behind

[safe cradle]

Then don't? open door, 2 go down the stairs, 2 go around the corner on the other side, then you peekaboo him.

[tiny wyvern]

Three people deal with him through kiting and one just rushing in grab key then just going towards sec/main usually works

I mean, I say kiting but it's more 'camping in a corner and waiting'

[safe cradle]

you dont have to get all 4 in a square against tank, all you need is 2 players at opposite positions to kill it

If you wanna get better at killing a tank fast, nothing is better than trying in R4E1, it has an error of tanks right at the start so you can practice there.

But if you're killing slow you're either taking bad positions, taking bad guns, or shooting from too far.

[tiny wyvern]

Speaking of guns, what guns are you bringing

cause that does matter a bit

[sly pivot]

Kinda whatever the person likes tbh, we sometimes swap around when some stuff is better for the run, but I don't think we've done that yet for this

I'll suggest them the list shared here so far to see how that goes

[safe cradle]

yeah not going to lie, R4C3's pretty though, perhaps the hardest C in vanilla aside maybe from R8C2

It's a map where you cant really just vibe the loadout unless you're cracked

[sly pivot]

We're doing all the levels in order, so far we've done everything besides R2E1 (Gave it lots of attempts so far, but we dont want to the same level for more than 2-3 weeks, we only do evening sessions now and then)

Planning to come back to that one too though

[safe cradle]

Take it with a grain of salt, but personally I consider R4C3 PE the hardest R4 aside from R4E1.

[tiny wyvern]

R4Ds aren't very nice either tho

So do be careful

[safe cradle]

I'm not going to say they're easy but they're standardizable, as in you can kinda strategize to make the hard parts as easy as you can.

R4C3 IMHO has a combination of thight timings and relatively limited resources

You're swimming in ammo after R4D1's main, and I've managed to pull the 5 scout zone with bots

[sly pivot]

We'll see when get there, surely we won't be hardstuck that long on a C level

[civic wave]

r4c3 has garnered more notoriety than the other levels

it has a reputation for a reason

although a lot of the game is sorta like... well we've come a long way

[tiny wyvern]

I remember running out of ammo there more often than not, then dying
But then again, I usually play in beginners

[sly pivot]

We've done so many runs in R2E1 that so far it honestly hasn't been that bad

[tiny wyvern]

I mean you survived through that, so R4C3 PE shouldn't really put you off just yet

Don't burn yourselves out too much

[sly pivot]

We haven't beaten R2E1 yet

[tardy ingot]

reminder that the tier is based on the main only (some R8 stuff aside)

so optionals can boost smth way higher (or not)

[burnt inlet]

R5B1

or B2

[sly pivot]

This is also fine, we're having a ton of fun and when runs just start off like shit we tend to reset instead of push a hopeless run

[tardy ingot]

R5B4 has no optionals moth

[burnt inlet]

which one is the osip one?

[tardy ingot]

R5B2

[burnt inlet]

same same

even number

[civic wave]

family feud - rundown 5 levels that bore you to death

[sly pivot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1373322598938837135/1400194131208179862/DEN9_V91r5_o4-j-wTHOkQ_online-video-cutter.com.mp4?ex=688c68a7&is=688b1727&hm=0f04c009b9954e28360a4d972341185229735b164bc77358c25251e967eb1eac&

For example

[burnt inlet]

frfr

[burnt inlet]

why is it in slow motion 😭

[sly pivot]

Makes it even funnier

[civic wave]

(it's a lot of levels)

[tardy ingot]

its 2 giants

[burnt inlet]

frfr

[tiny wyvern]

Was it rlly hopeless, it's just a faqed melee chain

[burnt inlet]

just hit the limbs

[sly pivot]

Like the first attempt on the run, all super low and giga high fog, set off the whole room and scout after, just stupid moments not saying anything else

[safe cradle]

dang you're pretty infected for being at what I think is the big room of Secondary

ah makes sense that it's your first run

Try to pull the fog+spitter rooms by the way

[tardy ingot]

fog repellers and pulling room goes brrr

[safe cradle]

OG R4C3 I remember people "lab ratting" by sending one guy to infect 100% open all doors then pull all rooms, then you'd just mine the door at the base of the stairs

[tiny wyvern]

is it not doable anymore
(I don't think it's a good strat, but I'd like to know)

[tardy ingot]

it clearly is, just not worth at all tbh

R4 and R5 had some really awful pub gaming patterns tho

kiting became BIG

so a lot of people just meleed levels

outside of alarms

[safe cradle]

yeah goldencarrot, keep in mind there was no stamina back then

R4B2 had 1 guy "kiting duty" around the error wave

[sly pivot]

Tbh, might be for the hardcore players but playing like that doesn't sound fun

[safe cradle]

it wasn't

you could circlekite entire waves of strikers+shooters if you were looking at the ceiling and running in a big enough circle

since looking at the ceiling meant shooters would always miss you

[tiny wyvern]

that sounds really horrible

[safe cradle]

I mean I'm sure people that were actually cracked weren't doing that

but pubs were full of stuff like that

[tiny wyvern]

I'm slightly glad I came in on R8

[tardy ingot]

reminder how much R6 was shat on

[tiny wyvern]

(Well, not really, I had like R8C1 as my third run)

(But still)

[safe cradle]

I'll say that stamina was a bad solution but that's a topic that was covered way too much beforehand

[tardy ingot]

"worst rundown"
"easiest rundown" (R1 appearantly never existed)

[rose hazel]

I love r6

[tardy ingot]

"boring levels, no replayability"

yea R6 is genuinely a top 2 rundown imo

[tiny wyvern]

Is the giant squid mission not replayable

[rose hazel]

second favorite to R8

[tardy ingot]

people were livid

not logical

[safe cradle]

Too much new stuff introduced

[tardy ingot]

nah

[safe cradle]

Checkpoints, different melees, stamina

[tardy ingot]

that wasnt the issue

checkpoints, stamina and the perceived lack of difficulty after R4 and R5

[tiny wyvern]

I assume R7 came in and just made the difficulty rather high afterwards?

[safe cradle]

I can only speak for myself, I started in OG R4 and R6 felt much easier than R4 and R5

[civic wave]

give me rundown 6 hel gun and i will return with the blood of a thousand gods

[hardy grotto]

r6 had sniper melee too

[safe cradle]

I knew shit about the game back then but I dont think I suddenly massively improved during R5 and R6

[civic wave]

0.1 with a faster reload

[hardy grotto]

That didn’t help

[civic wave]

also ugly lighting engine change

[tardy ingot]

tbf that was VALID hate

[civic wave]

and i guess 5x stagger hammer did things

[tardy ingot]

same with the orientation bug

[hardy grotto]

I think people being disappointed by difficulty is valid too

[civic wave]

people want stuff to aspire to, yeah

[hardy grotto]

And stam was always going to be controversial

[sly pivot]

Anyhow, thanks for the tips everyone. We're doing another session tonight so hopefully that goes better

[tardy ingot]

its basically the same as R6 and R7 rn (tho R7 had worse guns since sniper got nerfed, scatter and hel gun removed)

[tiny wyvern]

Good luck
I hope you get it

[safe cradle]

Like I said, I think way too much stuff got introduced and it scared people off

[civic wave]

your best specials in r7 were what

High cal, sniper, shotgun, choke mod

no hel, no bc, no scatter

veruta was used a lot

[tardy ingot]

oh well yea disappointment was fair

It was heavily overplayed in essence in the end. With R6 being far easier than even R1 and R3 etc
Plus it made sense why 1.0 release would be "easier" than the monsters of R4 and R5 comparitvely

the real letdown was no E tier with extension ngl...

[safe cradle]

NVM I confused R6B1 with R7B1, my bad

[safe cradle]

I think many people considered R6D3 PE to be the "E" of R6, me included

[tardy ingot]

people would rather have more new stuff (environments, enemies etc) than the situations where too little got added and it stayed like that for too long

[tardy ingot]

eh

even at the time it wasnt seen as the "hardest" necessarily

[safe cradle]

Replaying Alt with people that know the game its a cakewalk, I'll say that

[tiny wyvern]

What was the hardest mission in R6 anyways
(As you can probably tell, I can't remember half of them well)

[tardy ingot]

especially coming from R4E1 and R5E1 anything in R6 is a cakewalk aside from R6D4 which was seen as the 1 challenge iirc

[safe cradle]

I think OG R6DX (now CX) or R6D3 PE

Especially when people tried to do bottom, mid, top

But I dont know if that matters

[tiny wyvern]

wait you weren't supposed to do bottom mid top?

[tardy ingot]

R6C3 and R6D4 usually iirc

[safe cradle]

I tried it my first times on OG and it was hell on Earth compared to mid, top, bottom or top, mid, bottom

[tardy ingot]

R6CX was wack to carry people through due to the ending, but anything before ending was just.. free
some people on here even said that CX (DX at the time) before ending wasnt even C tier

(which mind you, I dont agree with)

[safe cradle]

Doing it again in Alt, I've noticed that if the wave spawns far during mid or top, they start stuttering like crazy and take a long time to get to the players

[tiny wyvern]

I just remember the time I won on R6CX was me and three others who seemed to know they were doing rushing through the mission and just did it bottom to top
Don't quite remember how we actually lived through that

[safe cradle]

IMHO It's a big aim check for players

I've done it once with 2 cracked players and I was barely seeing the flyers, they kept exploding them like it was an Aim Trainer.

[tiny wyvern]

That was the first time I was playing with a really dubious host that seemed like he was cheating so I was just wanting it to be over
At the end it didn't seem like he was, the only thing that sort of bugged me was the overfill on ammo that he swear wasn't there

[thick stump]

I saw someone cheating with over 100% ammo

[burnt inlet]

surely thats what happens when you use boosters

[digital mural]

I have seen it happen with scatter too randomly

[thick stump]

this was in the middle of a game, so I don't think boosters can help tehre

[safe cradle]

there's also a mod that lets you refill your ammo ignoring the mag+backpack limit

[keen seal]

make sniper great again maybe?

[burnt inlet]

boosters help in the middle of the game

[safe cradle]

which is a cheat anyway but not as blatant as usual

[undone raven]

He's using sniper bro he's already going through a lot

[digital mural]

Isn't having 100% + ammo with sniper or scatter a random visual but that happens sometimes?

[safe cradle]

I keep reading that here but I've never seen it ingame

[digital mural]

I don't have a pic but I'm pretty sure I have seen it myself with scatter

And well

Media is gone

There was probably a picture there

[wet bear]

I mean it's either a bug or people can use modified weapons or if it's beginning of the game it's the boosters issue

[humble night]

what does pub mean?

[rose hazel]

The X series were pretty rough iirc but it's been a while since I've done them

[rose hazel]

Calling somebody a pub is basically saying they're bad at the game lmao, but often times it's used jokingly

[burnt inlet]

i wouldnt say bad just like average tier for this discord

[rose hazel]

which is bad

[humble night]

@hardy grotto pub

[burnt inlet]

okay hange wannabe

[hardy grotto]

shut up pub

do you know who youre talking to

[digital mural]

Pub means "public" often associated with public lobbies in videogames

[humble night]

do you KNOW who you are talking to

[hardy grotto]

you're not even john gtfo man

[rose hazel]

Beth casually getting owned in gtfo discord questions channel

[hardy grotto]

it's not owned if it's by this fraud duck haniNOOB

[burnt inlet]

typical newbie moments, always in here

[civic wave]

what happened in the clustersuster stream, got occupied by a bunch of SPEEDRUNNERS

[ripe hamlet]

retired gtfo unc

[strange rover]

are there any mods that prevent bots from picking up resources?

cause the achievement for r8d1 is kinda impossible otherwise

[grizzled patrol]

you can do that by shooting them

[strange rover]

what do you mean?

like shooting the resources or what?

[prime musk]

he means shooting the bots so that they're downed and cannot grab res

ie
get people or true solo

[burnt inlet]

there is one i just forgot its name

smth lethal i think

[ripe hamlet]

use mod

zombified initiative

[burnt inlet]

thats it

same same

[grizzled patrol]

play lethal company instead? gotcha

[burnt inlet]

R6A1 solos

[prime musk]

this isn't an ammo cheat, but someone modding in old sniper. ie sniper before the r8 nerf. before r8, sniper had 3 mag and less reserve, so it appears to have over 100% ammo because your interface uses the post-r8 sniper stats for your display

[minor fractal]

The ammo desync is weird in general, I think you can get over 100% both ways

If you have either more or less total ammo, it seems like it fluctuates stochastically for everyone else.

[past mesa]

If you stand next to the box you should be able to de spawn all the bot

Unfortunately the best solution is to just do the level with players only

[fading wave]

which is better

slug shotgun or buckland shotgun

[tardy ingot]

ah yes „the“ buckland shotgun

(there might be a few)

[fading wave]

idk what else to call it
default shotgun cuz you use it in the tutorial idk

[rose hazel]

obviously buckland

[tardy ingot]

Just shotgun usually

Or pump shotty

[fading wave]

i know theres a lot of debate on the shotgun topic its got a lot of layers

all i want to know is the comparison of those two specific guns though

[tardy ingot]

slug is a main which are typically far weaker

But you dont compare them with each other since they are different slots and compare to their own class

in isolation, shotgun is better

in terms of how good it is a as a pick in its class (main/special) shotgun is better

[fading wave]

so pump shotty > slug

[minor fractal]

They're not very comparable

Pump is clearly better, but it's a special lmao

[ocean spindle]

its like comparing a pistol and a mg

like a

i meana i couldd but why

[fading wave]

ok well better question then

pump shotty or combat shotgun

i think its called combat shotgun
its the one with the triangle scope and 4 round mags

and the tight blast cone

[keen seal]

choke mod

[timber shoal]

pump is better than choke mod

and combat is better than pump

[fading wave]

ok then whats combat since i got them mixed up

is that the full auto special shotgun

[keen seal]

yeah

[ocean spindle]

id sayyyyy situational

pump is not made for what combat shottie is made

[timber shoal]

true

[ocean spindle]

combat shottie is small killing machine with potentian for bigs

pump s an all roundr with potential for bosses

not spoiling the bosses i forgot if zimby is new

[keen seal]

me when I shoot anything other than strikers with combat shotgun

[ocean spindle]

bigs are not bad wiith cshotty

[tiny wyvern]

he is new
(I mean, he doesn't really remember even what combat shotty is, it's not surprising)

[ocean spindle]

trues

[tiny wyvern]

You use choke to mag dump
And even then there's just a lot more things that are better than it these days

It's still fun if you want to play slug choke and kiss your ammo goodbye

[ocean spindle]

but thats slugs fault choke doesnt have bad ammo

i mean neitheer does slug tbh

[digital mural]

Slug has pretty good ammo economy but it's dragged down by everything else

[tiny wyvern]

You miss a shot with slug
It feels like half your ammo is now gone

[ocean spindle]

keyword: feels

[keen seal]

miss a shot with sniper
half of your ammo is gone

[ocean spindle]

ammo a miss with shooter
half of your sniper is gone

[sudden nexus]

shooter

half your health is gone

[digital mural]

Shooter
My scattergun ammo gone

[keen seal]

gun
half

[ocean spindle]

pew
poof

[fading wave]

i mean i am new yes but ive also been spoiled by youtube

i still like the game a lot tho

[ocean spindle]

i will kill yooutube

[fading wave]

and theres still a lot i havent seen just mostly rundown 8 ive seen

[keen sinew]

any1 knows R8A2 Secondary password?

[fading wave]

ah, yes. that lol

[ocean spindle]

https://andocas.com/gtfo/r8a2/

[fading wave]

and given you guys said earlier that special weapons are typically stronger than main weapons
that leads me to believe combat is better than hel auto shotgun in terms of the two auto shotguns

[keen seal]

uhh

[ocean spindle]

hel shottie is a special stuck in main

[fading wave]

lol i see

[keen seal]

yeah that thing kinda busted

[fading wave]

and slug isnt? 🥀

[ocean spindle]

main weapons are generally weaker but not always

[keen seal]

nope

[ocean spindle]

[[HEL Shotgun]]

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/HEL_Shotgun

[fading wave]

ok well then which auto shotgun is better lol
ig with two guns so similar to eachother it boils down to preference

i just think the hel auto shotgun has a really weird scope

[ocean spindle]

different uses

hel shottie is busted crowd control with bad usage for individuals
combat is individual usage with ok crowd control

hel shottie has a MUCH higher ceiling than combat

[tiny wyvern]

u use hel for baby clear and actual crowd clear
u use combat for goated damage and ammo eccon

[fading wave]

so combat better against bigs?

[ocean spindle]

both are about th saame which: fine

use about 70% mag

[keen sinew]

thanks alot

[ocean spindle]

good luck buddy

[fading wave]

well this has been quite informative thank you

theres just so many different guns that all look so cool
some of which just straight up feel worse than others without even having to ask though lol

but for the most part theyre all pretty cool

[ocean spindle]

u can always ask for info or check up the wiki for more

[fading wave]

yeh

[ocean spindle]

thoo yes sometimes is aall about feel

fuck carbine!!! 🔥

[fading wave]

or i can just play with whatever and if i see myself dying with a specific gun a lot more than usual i can deduce that it is not a good gun lol

[keen seal]

whaat

[sudden nexus]

dying with a specific gun =/= bad gun

[ocean spindle]

id say yes but tbh a lot can go into that lol

[fading wave]

i mean carbine feels good and is good but yeah i try to expand my pallet

[ocean spindle]

i dont like it

its dumb

i hate design scope and feel

[fading wave]

true could just be skill issue

lots of variables apart from just one gun

theres also how well it pairs with my other gun

what my melee is

what my boosters are if any

what mistakes i make throughout the run

[ocean spindle]

do guns matter for ur melee?

[fading wave]

tl;dr im having a blast with the game but with how many guns there are it can feel overwhelming which ones to play with
(first world problems. too much fun content and toys to play with)

[fading wave]

im just saying there are other ways i can lose a run than just my guns

doesnt matter how efficient my gun's ammo is if im spraying walls aimlessly

[ocean spindle]

a

[prime musk]

yeah because gun+ melee finisher is a thing

hel revo/dmr/carbine(?) + light tap hammer kills, but with knife this isn't the case for all of them

ok carbine isn't on the list

but hel revo would be the prime example, where hammer allows hs + light melee but knife does not

there is also the thing where if no hammer maybe you want a gun that can kill scouts without back multi

[ripe hamlet]

if you can do gun melee cant you just do melee

[prime musk]

it saves you from charging

so you save stam

but in a lot of situations yeah

[dire compass]

I...what the heck is that dot on my screen?

[frail heart]

Black hole buddy

Hate to see you go

[dire compass]

Ahh dang it

[prime musk]

it's just one of many visual bugs

[tiny wyvern]

Void bug most likely

Rejoin to fix

If you're solo you're cooked

https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/1208344829096886284 has more info, as well as bug wiki

[[Bug wiki]]

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Bug_wiki?action=edit&redlink=1

[tiny wyvern]

huh I don't remember what the full name is

[[Bug Wiki/Tech Support Wiki]]

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Bug_Wiki/Tech_Support_Wiki

[tiny wyvern]

there we go

[round elm]

is there a way to practice a part of a level without having to restart the entire thing

[prime musk]

no, not without mods

(or there by accident being a checkpoint right before the part you want to practice)

[round elm]

are mods hard to install?

[prime musk]

na

they're pretty self explanatory if you use r2modman

[round elm]

oh cool i use that

whats the mod?

[prime musk]

there might be dedicated practice mods

[round elm]

ic

[prime musk]

but i just use Cconsole

it has a checkpoint command allowing you to checkpoint anywhere in a level

[round elm]

that sounds good

[prime musk]

as the name suggests it is a cheat console

so you also get to just noclip/open doors to where you want to practice

[round elm]

that sounds ince

[lunar rain]

Best level to do the ping every thing achievement?

[burnt inlet]

R1B1 is a contender, if you search the discord with the achievement name there should appear smth there

[prime musk]

r1b1 definitely best

[burnt inlet]

I swear I thought there was a R2 level that also was a good contender

[prime musk]

has enough ammo to pull every room, a single 1 wave alarm, and silent extract

[prime musk]

idk i have seen ppl float around r2b1 but i think it isn't very good for it

[burnt inlet]

Isn’t there two alarms?

[prime musk]

you're only forced to do the class 2

[lunar rain]

R7a1 could work as well

[burnt inlet]

Ping everything is for all sleepers too no?

[prime musk]

if you open north before you get to foam a big door between you and enemy spawn, so you always get only 1 wave

[prime musk]

ye

[lunar rain]

I could have swore there was a discussion for things like this

[prime musk]

but not all sleepers on map just the ones that you wake iirc

[burnt inlet]

And second alarm is also one wave

Cuz you foam the door on the right

[burnt inlet]

I thought it was all of them

[prime musk]

i don't think so but im not the best source

i don't think r1b1 would be considered if it was all enemies on map though

because the 3rd alarm

(yes there are 3)

[burnt inlet]

I thought there only was 2 am I smoking?

[prime musk]

the class 2 has a class 3 behind it which has another class 3 behind it

[burnt inlet]

Ooooooh right

Forgot about that one

[fathom ice]

doesn't that mean that r8e1 is best

[prime musk]

sky it is also all enemies that spawn in awake

i used sleepers as in sleeping enemies

[fathom ice]

rip

i mean technically u just have cap on you both times

[prime musk]

true you can just take any level and long kite extract

[tardy ingot]

Should be all

[reef narwhal]

Hey, anyone know how I can get better mission text? It's very blur hard to read.

[burnt inlet]

Wdym? Like the text on ur screen that says what to do when you’re in a mission?

[reef narwhal]

Yes

[burnt inlet]

That’s kinda blurry yea, if you can increase resolution and if that doesn’t work then I think there should be smth in settings with gui that increases the size of it

[reef narwhal]

Thanks, yes i just checked, my resolution was 1440 something. idk way put correct one now its good.

[safe cradle]

Regarding the achievement I think it's all. People like R1B1 and R2B1 for it because they do not have extraction alarms and are fairly easy.

[lunar rain]

I assume if you are extracting and as you leave one spawns in you are kinda just screwed

[burnt inlet]

yea

and error alarms are kinda jank with pinging stuff in general

which is why we recommend stuff that doesnt have them

[lunar rain]

I’ll give it a go and see, I got 12 more achievements to go

[burnt inlet]

Yep

[rose hazel]

look in HUD settings, mess with the text skewing and the other text settjng which I forgot what it's called

[lunar rain]

For the pure will achievement can your teammates use medi and disinfect or is no one allowed to

Also the disinfect station whether it can be used or not

[tardy ingot]

afaik it cant

so be careful when picking up turbine next to it

and the achivement should be full team

[lunar rain]

Kk thank you

[ocean spindle]

theres no disiinfect packs in the level is all the station so nopies

[sly pivot]

Tips from yesterday helped a lot, now on to the D levels

[meager mortar]

have fun with the haha funny door in D1

[undone raven]

Are you referring to secondary?

[meager mortar]

i was referring to the blood door in main, but yeah the secondary is also really funny

[sudden nexus]

main blood door isn't that bad

sec is worse tbh

[undone raven]

What's even special about the main blood door

[sudden nexus]

idk

[undone raven]

You usually get a mine right before it

[keen seal]

gurillion hybrids

[sudden nexus]

its like 4 hybrids

[undone raven]

The sniper in question:

[meager mortar]

it's like 8

[sudden nexus]

just shoot them

[meager mortar]

yeah, obviously shoot them, but if you're not expecting like 8 of them it's like a tom and jerry bit

[prime musk]

the 8 hybrids hiding behind the door:

[sudden nexus]

aint no way

its like 4

[prime musk]

rem go there with cconsole solo

[sly pivot]

Honestly wasn't that bad, triple scout near the end of main was a bit more annoying

[meager mortar]

\o/ gj gj~ d2 is great

[frail heart]

Triple he says

[sly pivot]

[round elm]

hey guys how do i not get screwed over by 5 giants or do i just accept defeat (link is timestamped) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i54CAYRSN5Q&t=1311

i know i messed up running straight towards them but i wanted to use my shotgun and i still have no idea how i would even manage this even if i dont walk straight to death

[orchid solstice]

Hel Rifle

[keen seal]

pen with hel rifle

[orchid solstice]

yeah hel rifle kind of fucks over everything that isn't a boss

[keen seal]

play cover from hybrid and shoot the giants first

running over is not the play

[rose hazel]

try to get pen with hel rifle, dont try to play up close, play for cover and have a little patience

[round elm]

what does pen mean

[rose hazel]

penetration

[round elm]

oh

[rose hazel]

you can shoot through enemies with hel rifle

up to 6

[round elm]

ye ik

do you really have enough time though?

[rose hazel]

yes

[keen seal]

maybe go for code first if you want to play safe but then hybrid prob fucks you

[rose hazel]

the amount of time you spent running in a cirlce was enough to reposition and kill stuff

[round elm]

alr

[prime musk]

it's better to wait at a corner than run towards the enemies, that way they can't attack when you're out of range
but you should just be spamming hel rifle

for solo as well a lot of time you should just abandon ammo balance for stability, ie using all your hel rifle is worth because you reduce the threat of the situation substantially

(and in this specific case, the hel rifle isn't worth to keep anyways since extract is only smalls that sawed off is your best gun into)

[sly pivot]

Turns out there were 5 💀

Went kinda fine this time, Secondary took us by surprise though

[ocean spindle]

dumb sec :b

[mint ledge]

hello im stuck at tutorial i suckass jesus christ pls help :,,,(

i try to solo all multiple enemy but ended up dying :,,,) i tought this game like left 4 dead so i buy it any advice would be apriciated thx

[twin bear]

just try stealt mode and carefull of your steps

[mint ledge]

oh yeah the game mention stealth mode but how do i use it? do i just crouch?

[thick stump]

if you join a voice channel, we can play together and I can show your around if you want

[twin bear]

don't shoot to evrething and be paitien

[twin bear]

yes and off the torch

[mint ledge]

yeah but i always get noticed :,,,)

[twin bear]

i'm looking for a team in n.749

[mint ledge]

thank you but i prefer chat my hearing absolutly garbage

[thick stump]

you can mute yourself and write in the ingame chat

there are many mute players here

[twin bear]

or ping

[thick stump]

@mint ledge join richi team 749 and we can play togethe

[mint ledge]

hell yeah

[twin bear]

@thick stump waiting if you join

[tardy ingot]

Crouching isnt silent basically

Its „quiet“

[sly pivot]

👍

[digital mural]

Crouching makes noise

There is no stealth mode

Also if you are looking for a left 4 dead like game, GTFO isn't close to it

[sudden nexus]

i mean stuff like r2c2 r3d1

[digital mural]

[sudden nexus]

[ripe hamlet]

youll be left 4 dead as i scattergun your back when extract is at 95%

[sudden nexus]

🥺

[mint ledge]

thank you richi,andy,dahuman for playing with me i could not thank enough to teaching this game man i have a lot blunder but i enjoying it thank you 😄

[thick stump]

this gonna be very normal in the game, just make mistakes and learn from them and have fun! 👍

[undone raven]

Im gonna burst (cannon) all over your back at extraction

[winter breach]

🌽 ⚾

[burnt inlet]

I will hold you hostage

[winter breach]

Are you sure

[burnt inlet]

Yes

In my basement

[winter breach]

Well you gotta find me 1st

[undone raven]

Can you put me in your basement 🥺🥺🥺

[winter breach]

Crazy

[burnt inlet]

Did you escape?

[undone raven]

Yeah I had to leave bc I couldn't play gtgo

[burnt inlet]

got to go out 🥀

[winter breach]

Gtfo if it was family friendly

Anyways your security cameras have bad quality footage

So i took them

[burnt inlet]

wow

[winter breach]

And dw

They will be in the trash can

[burnt inlet]

🙁

[undone raven]

Also moth I ate all your food

I was kinda hungry

[burnt inlet]

so thats why my fridge is empty

[winter breach]

I also made a yarn ball out of cables for your cat tho

[burnt inlet]

which cables?

u sure u didnt grab the wrong house?

my cams are still here

[winter breach]

Thats bc i installed New ones

Now you better pay me up

[burnt inlet]

nuh uh

[winter breach]

Ok

No cams

No electricity

And no cat

And possibly no house if i actually make the house explode

Not on purpose

[burnt inlet]

grinding R6A1 too much to care

[winter breach]

Oh well

[undone raven]

Yeah also I stole your car

[winter breach]

Guess ima burn it all

[burnt inlet]

my mums car*

[winter breach]

Well atleast i cant get kidnapped anymore

[undone raven]

And your cat

[winter breach]

But the cat is already in my yard

[undone raven]

yeah im living with you

[winter breach]

No youre not

There isnt enough computers for 2 of us

So youre going to the forest

[undone raven]

i brought mine

[winter breach]

Ok but

My WiFi wouldnt like 2 computers running gtfo

[undone raven]

its ok i wired my ethernet from my house

all the way to your house

[winter breach]

How do you even have that long cable

[undone raven]

where do you live

[winter breach]

Yk that

[undone raven]

no i dont

[winter breach]

Then where are you rn

😭

[undone raven]

im in usa

[winter breach]

So you went to the wrong house

But eitherway im Croatia so you would have to drag a mega giga tera peta yota long cable to get to my house

Bc you need a 6.6 km long cable

You would prob waste all of the copper the earth has left just for that

Not to mention how much plastic you would have to get

[lunar rain]

So I just dropped into a level and my game froze, I can still hear audio, but I can’t alt tab or ctrl alt delete

Any tips

[digital mural]

Restart your computer

[lunar rain]

Ty

[civic wave]

crtl shift escape

[grizzled patrol]

Windows+Ctrl+Shift+B

[ocean spindle]

i comee asking again cuz i forgot
why does r5d2 ||give u 10 mins to input code, if tanks spawn anyways afterwards||

what purpose does it have when u can just input it immediately anyways

[frail heart]

so you can long kite 7 times

[ocean spindle]

pro gaming

ok no but fr what does iit do ksmdkm qwq

[frail heart]

id assume they think itll take 10 mins to kill tank or smth

[ocean spindle]

i mean maybe but u can just finish it

and, thats it

maybe its an oversight or some like inmission lore as its malfunctionin?

[sharp nimbus]

new to the game and we cant beat the second mission with the 12 key cards. any tips?

[frail heart]

Open the zone that you can open in the first zone before starting the class 2 alarm. Doing the alarms is probably easier than sneaking through giant zone. For the first class 3, funnel them through the top small door and place sentries up there. Make sure to not close doors unless you bring mines which you shouldnt on that level.

[digital mural]

What are you struggling on? Resources, enemies, finding the rooms?

[burnt inlet]

"list ID zone_x" where x is the zone you're in, learn how to deal with giants or go loud when facing sleeping giants, i usually go nort and then take keycard

holy help 🙏

[sharp nimbus]

enemies

[digital mural]

"local GTFO player gets jumped by 3 people after asking for help"

[digital mural]

Elaborate further

[frail heart]

Alarms or room enemies? And if so which ones

[sharp nimbus]

I'd say we were doing alright until we go to the 3rd large fog room. The large enemies are hard to kill and we got over run. For killing the large enemies, what's a good strat? Any good gun specifically for them?

[digital mural]

Hel rifle, hel gun, shotguns, burst cannon are good

What's your current loadout?

Tools, melees and guns

[frail heart]

What you want to do if you are going to kill those rooms is shoot to wake up the enemies and have your bio tracker ping them. Then wait outside the zone for the enemies to come to you

[digital mural]

Thats pretty good actually

[ocean spindle]

works

[burnt inlet]

not super bad

[sharp nimbus]

Ok i like this advice

Thx, i like the feel of these guns

[ocean spindle]

sniper sentry should b very good for waking up thhe rooms with bigs

cuz big big dmg

[burnt inlet]

ye

[digital mural]

If you are waking up a room with big enemies, usually you want to set a choke/defense point
Place your tools and get ready to shoot

[frail heart]

#guides-and-reviews message
This guide has good tips and tricks

[digital mural]

I would recommend changing the revolver for the high caliber pistol

Since you already have DMR

High cal works good against smalls and bigs

And it has a similar-ish feeling

[tribal holly]

can i still one tap scouts if i take a -13% melee damage on spear?

[winter breach]

Yes but with a full charge

[wintry kettle]

How good is controller support for this game?

[ripe hamlet]

dont

you need to type in terminals to play this game effectively

[wintry kettle]

ah okay

[digital mural]

Horrible

It doesn't exist

You'll get the steam default controls which are horrible

[tiny wyvern]

Funnily enough there's like a few templates of people having tried to map everything to controllers

The most workable version I've seen actually wasn't that far off from being just alright enough

[uneven kiln]

(WARNING: LONG KITING)

I have a question for the speedrunners: how do you play around Long Range Aggro if you don't particularly want to wake a whole room while playing fast