gtfo-related-questions

[frail heart]

i didnt think they spawned in 494

[fathom ice]

I know e mines do

[frail heart]

oh yeah

[fathom ice]

i don't remember actually

[frail heart]

not c trips tho

e mines do 100%

but you need 2 to kill a wave

[fathom ice]

ye

[frail heart]

i might try some seeded runs

idk

if its that shit idk

[undone raven]

Is sniper the best tool for foamless then?

[frail heart]

nah i think mines

you dont have the ammo to run sentry i dont think

[undone raven]

Ok I will try when I get home

Good pen practice

[frail heart]

💀

also you are running bc

[undone raven]

Nah I'm running hel gun

[frail heart]

if you wanna just beat the nm6 sure

[undone raven]

Cuz I'm just trying to do that alarm not reactor

[frail heart]

but you aint beating the whole level

[frail heart]

fair

[undone raven]

Yeah to many bigs

/tanks

[fathom ice]

what's the pick again

hel rifle / bc?

[frail heart]

yeah but pretty sure BC is justt better

it makes the nm6 harder but everything else WAY easier

[undone raven]

Tru did bc sawed off

[frail heart]

and you have ammo for kraken

[fathom ice]

but it's like terrible into nightmares

[frail heart]

it one shots in tumor

but yeah

its hard

[undone raven]

Wdym bc is great into nightmares

[fathom ice]

it does NOT

one shot to tumor

[frail heart]

i think it does?

[fathom ice]

chill labbed that and told me

[undone raven]

I'm pretty sure it does

[frail heart]

huh

[keen seal]

numbers say 22x2x0.73

[frail heart]

weird

[undone raven]

What's a nightmares health

[keen seal]

which comes to 32.12

[fathom ice]

yeah

like

bro

not even close

[keen seal]

37

[undone raven]

Bro what

[fathom ice]

like it's just terrible

[undone raven]

I'm schizophrenic

Oh wait tru used boosters

[frail heart]

special damage boosters incomming?????

[keen seal]

16%

[fathom ice]

anyway

[keen seal]

is what you need

acutally idk where the damage boost goes into the formula

or whatever

[fathom ice]

I think it's 32.12x1.16

[past mesa]

Someone should actually complete r7e1 or r8e2 solo so close to it

[fathom ice]

jish no one plays

and cares

[frail heart]

r7e1 would suck big fat nuts

[past mesa]

It is really possible tho

[fathom ice]

what's the hardpart again

[keen seal]

man I can't even solo R1B2 extraction alarm I ain't trying

[fathom ice]

code 3?

[undone raven]

The tanks would be soooo annoying

[past mesa]

Code 3

Is the only issue for r7e1

[fathom ice]

yeah checks out

[restive kraken]

Take a auto and place it for back damage and hell rifle them.

[frail heart]

wait whats wrong with code 3

[past mesa]

Which is why there is most likely some type of mine strat

[fathom ice]

respawns

[past mesa]

Getting code in time and clearing tank

[undone raven]

Solo Brazil skip!!

[frail heart]

hmm fair

[past mesa]

but the issue is solvable

[frail heart]

you just bank on him getting stuck surely

[past mesa]

With just mining tank

[fathom ice]

what if u take the L and just repeat

[past mesa]

Probs could

[frail heart]

get to it

chop chop

[past mesa]

But the issue kicks the bucket down

You still have to kill tanks

[fathom ice]

prob just kill in A of shadows

[past mesa]

yup that would be ideal

you don’t have bio tho

[frail heart]

BC?

[past mesa]

So idk the laodout?

[frail heart]

door fuck with scatter?

[fathom ice]

low-key it's prob foam

[past mesa]

You also have to hold wave 4

[past mesa]

Maybe?

[fathom ice]

cuz sentry does borderline ntg

mines too

bio is good but foam secures code 4

[past mesa]

Code 4 isn’t an issue

[fathom ice]

wait can u just kill shit

and go silently

[past mesa]

Yup

[fathom ice]

oh

yeah i get it]

[past mesa]

more than enough time

[fathom ice]

might be bio

it's like even then

[past mesa]

Maybe?

I think mines could be insane

[fathom ice]

u could mine A LOT in reactor yeah

[past mesa]

Just bet on mines killing tank

[frail heart]

maybe i look for consistent mine spot

[civic wave]

mfw a flyer sets off my perfectly placed mines

[fathom ice]

CORRECT

low-key if anyone is playing it's probably just seeded

[keen seal]

nuke the flyer

they deserve it

[fathom ice]

so u don't waste extra time in reactor

[civic wave]

guaranteed kill yea, but you can still kill if mine hits tumour

[prime musk]

you do
i have had several successes with sawed off, hel gun, sniper sentry

i believe i was running muted bioscan speed, bold supply, and aggressive bioscan speed.

[undone raven]

I was onto something

The only thing is you die to reactor

[prime musk]

i had some success with special damage, but it struggled because scan length or ammo supply became a very tight stranglehold with it

[prime musk]

???

you have sniper sentry and sawed off and pen

you're fine

[undone raven]

How do you tanks with hel gun during wave

[fathom ice]

he just said it

[undone raven]

Damn

[prime musk]

ppl are so scattergun bc brainrotted that they don't think other guns deal dmg to tanks

[keen seal]

real

[undone raven]

I'm bc pilled

[prime musk]

hel gun kills tank in 26 shots

[fathom ice]

which is still a boss kill

[fathom ice]

low-key thought it'd be more

[frail heart]

yeah but hel gun suffers so much on other parts

i dont think its ever a pick

[civic wave]

the sniper sentry probably helps a bit too

[keen seal]

sniper sentry my beloved

[prime musk]

sniper sentry takes 1/7 of hp on tank with 1 shot

[undone raven]

I would really like to see reactor solod with hel gun

[prime musk]

i was playing for nm6 + surge cancel

and at that point hel gun is very fine

[undone raven]

Oh fr?? I did not know

[prime musk]

hel gun is THE pick for shooting the 1st nm6 without foam

[frail heart]

ah fair with surge cancel

[prime musk]

no other gun performs nearly as good

[fathom ice]

hani knew

all along

[prime musk]

yeah it is obviously not very exciting but in solo you want the tp anyways to not need matterwave carry so might as well get maximal value from it

[prime musk]

literally

[undone raven]

Ye I know that but I thought it was cooked for everything else

[prime musk]

no it's fine

[frail heart]

its kinda ass for kraken but if you cancel surge you have all the time in the world to kill

[fathom ice]

do u shoot 2nd nm6?

[frail heart]

nah cancel

in any run

[fathom ice]

checks out

[prime musk]

it kills zoomer scouts
you have sawed off for other scouts
it's seeded so you fight like 1 mom total or something during stealth section and it does fine enough, esp with supply and good resource spawn ie what you have in seeded you have a surplus of res before bm6

with supply efficiency you don't even get ammo problems spamming down giants with it in reactor

[undone raven]

I forgot hel gun is broken 💔

You think e2 could ever be beat seeded no boosters

[frail heart]

nah

[prime musk]

no

[fathom ice]

what if tas

[prime musk]

no seeded boosters has a way better chance

[frail heart]

5 pens on every shot

[prime musk]

maybe, because you get to have perfect pen

[fathom ice]

ye

[ripe hamlet]

now i really want to see a tas run with hel gun

the skill ceiling

🔥

[undone raven]

Gerz or smth idk

[fathom ice]

there's like a perfect aim mod or smth

[ripe hamlet]

theres an aimbot mod???

time to roleplay as gtfo vet

[uneven kiln]

Is this what I think it is

[undone raven]

Yes, you cancel the surge

I think you just pull the alarm then go to Brazil? No exactly sure tho

[ripe hamlet]

brazil cancel all alarms so you just pull alarm when surge is about to happen and run around in brazil for a bit

[frail heart]

okay i think i found a consistent tank mine spot on r7e1

[undone raven]

Solo incoming !

[prime musk]

for reactor wave or cell zone?

[frail heart]

reactor

its like

50% consistent

[burnt inlet]

its always a 50/50

either you kill the tank or you dont

[prime musk]

would sentry not be better to make 1st alarm not abysmal

or is it fine without (or rather, not abysmal without)

[frail heart]

apparently 3rd code is the only hard part

idk man its so hard to have a consistent mine spoot

i have no idea how this shit works

[burnt inlet]

if mine hits tumor first it deals dmg

not that hard

[frail heart]

[burnt inlet]

trollface~1

[prime musk]

because the timer is tight?

[frail heart]

tank and timer

getting rid of tank makes it so much easier

[prime musk]

ye tank eats timer and getting back in time for plug sucks checks out

[frail heart]

okay this setup is like 100% consistent surely

i got it like 10x in a row

[prime musk]

seminserious suggestion

you could try bringing scatter and doorfucking the tank in shadow zone big door

[frail heart]

yeah i thought that

but like wave clear

[prime musk]

flyers start sucking a bit with scatterr yeah

i guess you're on pen rn?

[frail heart]

yeah

and you can go behind flesh wall

you so can mine first wave

[prime musk]

are you holding 3 in shadows to not need to clear A again

/holding in reactor

[frail heart]

yeah probably

id think

[prime musk]

mam having to clear shadow B too just sucks

mines is good for that too

save door triple mine it for 2nd time around

if there is a consistent setup to mine tanks in reactor it is just the way

if there is a consistent setup to mine tanks in reactor it is just the way

[fathom ice]

if there is a consistent setup to mine tanks in reactor it is just the way

[frail heart]

if there is a consistent setup to mine tanks in reactor it is just the way

[undone raven]

if there is a consistent setup to mine tanks in reactor it is just the way

[burnt inlet]

if there is a consistent setup to mine tanks in reactor it is just the way

[ripe hamlet]

if there is a consistent setup to mine tanks in reactor it is just the way

[prime musk]

MY bad

[undone raven]

my BAD

[topaz anvil]

MY BAD

[undone raven]

my bad

[burnt inlet]

MY bad

[undone raven]

My Bad

[topaz anvil]

My bad

[undone raven]

mY baD

[timber shoal]

my bad

[undone raven]

my bAd

[burnt inlet]

average UK citizen

[timber shoal]

you can now legally zerk it again

good job

[topaz anvil]

I can join 18+ catboy/girl edating rp zone again

[timber shoal]

huzzah!

[tiny wyvern]

I wonder if I move to the UK again after summer if I'll have to do that

Or if the law will be so absolutely hated by everyone that it'll be gone before I even step foot on the UK again

[burnt inlet]

i think theyd keep it considering how the UK has been the last like 10+ years

[topaz anvil]

like I said in the modding server, I lose nothing by doing it

[tiny wyvern]

That and the payment processor thing ye most likely it'll be a thing

[ripe hamlet]

saw ppl cheesing verification with death stranding model

[undone raven]

whats the command to list ids on cconsole?

[livid stone]

list id

[livid stone]

list id

[past mesa]

“Cconsole could you pretty please list id”

[undone raven]

with a cherry on top 🥺

[wheat gate]

hav u tried reading the readme

[frail heart]

Habe yoy

[undone raven]

no

[queen saffron]

question about r2d1, for the alarm in zone 607 (i assume from reading that it doesn't USUALLY get done but, if the run DOES do this alarm)

is 607D (the room circled in red, took a pic from the map of it on the wiki) considered 2 rooms away from 607F and thus considered a valid spawn location for enemies during the alarm while the team is in 607F?
my group was doing that alarm and i thought we'd only get enemies from 606 (south) but there was a surprise enemy that seems to have come from that area

[civic wave]

yea it is 2 rooms away

either F -> E -> D, or F -> C -> D

[queen saffron]

ahh gotcha, that makes sense now then, thank you!

[burnt inlet]

Im praying you get out of that level

Quickly

[undone raven]

@timber shoal how to get rid of this strange green circle

[timber shoal]

do you have a feeding trough on the ground

[undone raven]

no

[timber shoal]

is the circle following you

[undone raven]

no

im not sure exactly what its centered on

i figured out what it was, "show copy settings visual range"

[timber shoal]

oop

gotcha

[steep ivy]

ErM tHiS iS fOr GtFo ReLaTeD qUeStIoNs OnLy

[timber shoal]

it;s rundown 9

[steep ivy]

this is secretly hackett

[livid stone]

ark in gtfo questions 😡

[steep ivy]

no this is just r9

there aren't any dinos in that picture so it can't be

[timber shoal]

yeah that's believeable honestly

[burnt inlet]

Team what’s a good T1 build for Myers’s? I wanna be sneaky

[tiny wyvern]

Like mirror myers?

Or Fat Myers?

[burnt inlet]

Yep

Any

[finite oracle]

does r8a2 have a terminal in sec?

[frail heart]

Yes

[finite oracle]

ok

is it in the pablo room

[frail heart]

Yeah lol

[finite oracle]

crazy log location

[wild flare]

scout can be in this room too xd

[grizzled patrol]

R8E2 when?

[wild flare]

[burnt inlet]

aint no way

[undone raven]

What killer

[burnt inlet]

myers

[undone raven]

Checks out, snowball killer

[topaz anvil]

Snowball? The ball wasn't even rolling they only got 1 gen done

[burnt inlet]

yea like

they were just holy pubs

i popped T3 once

[undone raven]

??? Are you implying gens need to be done to snowball????

[burnt inlet]

team i got 2 hooks before everyone was downed

[undone raven]

Yeah if you play good Myers can snowball off of a basically one down or hook with infectious fright or smth

That's all he's good at tho

[burnt inlet]

team i got him two days ago

[undone raven]

Yeah tbf you arent playing against good survivors likely

[burnt inlet]

:3

[burnt inlet]

nah im like lowest mmr

[undone raven]

Yeah if I was try Harding like a bum I would replace tinkerers with infectious or maybe retribution, and you don't need dragons grip you are insta down

[burnt inlet]

tink is fun tho

[undone raven]

Tinkerers plus tombstone ♥️♥️♥️

[burnt inlet]

i dont even use add ons

i regularly skip add ons

never used tombstone

[undone raven]

Tombstone can be fun if you run a stealthy build

[burnt inlet]

idk any stealthy builds ngl

[undone raven]

Dark devotion is ok, trail of torment is ok, hysteria is ok, tinkerers is ok, plaything is ok,

[burnt inlet]

i have like three of those unlocked

im prolly getting trickster next for the blocking of exit gates thingy

[undone raven]

Get on spirit NOW!

[burnt inlet]

i dont know how to play her

i know knight wreith legion and myers most

[undone raven]

Yeah you don't know how to play her so start now

Get to learning lil bro

[burnt inlet]

rather play legion ngl

[topaz anvil]

The game was over before it started!

[upper ginkgo]

omg kaf

[tiny wyvern]

Just be me and main zap doctor

Mostly zero winrate

But it's super fun

[burnt inlet]

is there even a set win

[undone raven]

3 kills/ one hatch or 4 kills

[tiny wyvern]

Well usually with zap doc you either make sure they can't hit skillchecks

Or you become the skillcheck

[burnt inlet]

waiter waiter 5 billion skill checks plz

[undone raven]

5 gazillion skill checks are coming your way

[burnt inlet]

whats that one survivor perk where you hit skill checks to transfer progress on gens or smth?

[tiny wyvern]

something energy IDK

potential energy yeah

[burnt inlet]

waiter waiter 6 billion skill checks

[ocean spindle]

the only thing i care about dbd is that unknown killer

such a good design

the rest can die idk

[digital mural]

The unknown is kinda cute ngl

[topaz anvil]

!!!!!

[upper ginkgo]

i like rim more tho bozo

[topaz anvil]

They both cute

[upper ginkgo]

highk think kaf got unlucky with her producers

don't think most songs vibe with her voice

[topaz anvil]

I mean it's a pretty unique voice to have

But imo it brings a different vibe that i like

[upper ginkgo]

fair i won't deny hers is pretty unique

[topaz anvil]

Good times all around. Been watching their anime that came out but mixed on it

[upper ginkgo]

don't really care about the anime unless the music is bopping

[topaz anvil]

I think they are all original songs that they sing, but maybe they are sung in the visual novels too

[upper ginkgo]

wtf there's a vwp visual novel

[topaz anvil]

I think it's regenerate

[upper ginkgo]

use code "QUAD" to get the first 3 months of your NordVPN subscription for free

[topaz anvil]

Shut, it's to get around the stinking online safety act

[upper ginkgo]

ohhh makes sense

and I thought the US was dystopian

[topaz anvil]

Think i might buy the game ngl

I've heard good things

[upper ginkgo]

lore about vtuber singers can't be that good... right

[topaz anvil]

If it's anything like the anime, the plot will revolve around the 5 witches protecting Kamitsubaki City from people turned into creatures of despair

The world is really on the nose 😭

[upper ginkgo]

average anime writing

[topaz anvil]

VIP and VALIS show up too

[upper ginkgo]

yoo crazy

[topaz anvil]

Is it bad that half my spotify is vwp xd

[burnt inlet]

visa waiver program?

[gray blaze]

how much time does it take for enemies to respawn in cocoon rooms?

[carmine grotto]

Its not timed, its based on distance from that room. If all players get 2 or more rooms away from the respawn room, they'll respawn

[gray blaze]

So as soon as players get 2 rooms away all enemies immediately respawn, right?

[safe cradle]

2 rooms AND 1 zone away and the ROOM with cocoons respawn

It's a timer that ticks since map is loaded

and checks every second of shit like that

[gray blaze]

I thought (hoped) it was 2 rooms away + some timer, like 5 mins or so...

[carmine grotto]

Most of the time yes, depending on lag you can do some funny things

[safe cradle]

it was explained to me aeons ago but basically act like it's not on a timer

[gray blaze]

Thank you all

[safe cradle]

No, also it's ROOM dependant, it doesn't need to respawn the entire zone (I learned that the hard way in R5A3 Overload)

gotta also be different zone eh, remember that

[topaz anvil]

Virtual witch phenomenon

[upper ginkgo]

i mean it's basically 5 different singers who like to collab often

[topaz anvil]

I mean they are a group

[tacit dagger]

Hello all! I am a new GTFO player and I am just playing solo with 3 bots. I am of course starting on rundown 1, and I was wondering if anyone have any builds, tips, or tricks for me to learn from. Thanks!

I also want to note I found this game through AstralSpiff

[digital mural]

1st: there's no "builds" in this game

[burnt inlet]

Burst rifle burst canon on bots

[digital mural]

1st thing again: don't take most of the stuff he said about the game

He said a lot of misinfo in his videos

[burnt inlet]

Nooooo the misinfo

[digital mural]

Tricks: learn to fast stealth as soon as you can

It will save you hours

[burnt inlet]

Tools matter way more than weapons

[tacit dagger]

honestly I have only watched Spiff play the game, I havent really learned anything from him lmao

plus I know solo is a whole different game

[digital mural]

Eeeeeh

It heavily depends on the level

[burnt inlet]

In general

[tacit dagger]

which melee and tool should i bring for that?

[burnt inlet]

You should play one or two games with you using bio then the rest with the bots having bio

[digital mural]

Hammer or knife are the best melees

Knife for fast skills
Hammer is an all rounder

AVOID spear

[burnt inlet]

Hammer and tool isn’t for fast stealth

[digital mural]

For tools, burst and sniper sentry are the best

Always bring a biotracker

Mines and foams are situational

[tacit dagger]

i see

[burnt inlet]

If you’re bringing mines and foam use foam urself

Find weapons you like is my take

Don’t use boosters early on

[tacit dagger]

so i should test some of the weapons to see what they do?

[burnt inlet]

Yes

Five of the weapons are superior though

[digital mural]

you can do all of R1 while testing

R1 is a very simple rundown

[burnt inlet]

Yea but like it’s good to play what you like early on

[tacit dagger]

alr thanks!

[lunar anchor]

But.. but spear gaming

[orchid solstice]

you can run spear, it's just the weakest the moment you start fighting awake enemies

[burnt inlet]

It’s just the weakest in like 90% of encounters

[undone raven]

not sure about this one

[ocean spindle]

depends
newies and most levels do ask for more specific tools
if u run solo duo it might be more of a 50 50 depending too if u tend to run foam or something

[upper ginkgo]

burst sentry outshooting the newer players :(

[ocean spindle]

yes but also they tend to not grab it lol

[upper ginkgo]

i think this is a metric i'm gonna use from now on

are you better than a burst sentry

[ocean spindle]

im not 🔥

me missing with a sawed off point blank epically

[undone raven]

am i better than a burst sentry? 🥺

[upper ginkgo]

stop bothering me

ask your mother

[undone raven]

im an orphan

[digital mural]

You are better than shotgun sentry

[frail heart]

Its more that tools have a bigger impact on levels than weapons

[undone raven]

bro how does perfect boosters work

i can not figure this shit out

[frail heart]

idk

im not a qol andy

[undone raven]

im tryna do nm6 solo bro

you cant do it without boosters

[frail heart]

watch me

[undone raven]

ok!

im watching!

[sturdy glen]

wdym how does it work

theres nothing to figure out

[undone raven]

it dosent give me the boosters

isnt it supposed to give you all the boosters

[sturdy glen]

no

[frail heart]

i think you need custom boosters

or smth

[sturdy glen]

it sets all boosters to max values and doesnt consume them when you use them

[undone raven]

is there anyway to remove this annoying ass blood that gets all over your screen

[digital mural]

Yes

It's called "basic hygiene"

Jokes aside

There is a mod

But idk if it works

[undone raven]

whats it called

[frail heart]

archive

[vague bridge]

anybody know what a 'tank' is? what does it mean to 'tank'? is this some esoteric term, and am i able to perform this so-called 'tank'ing? please let me know

[frail heart]

made up

liberal propaganda

[vague bridge]

such is the nature of language

but what does 'tank' denote within the construct of language?

[digital mural]

Something strong or able to endure massive amounts of damage.

[frail heart]

9 elixir

[digital mural]

Dingus

[vague bridge]

yes... and what is 'damage'? this definition seems circular

[digital mural]

Damage is Deez

Want to see?

[vague bridge]

i aint biting anybody hook

im the one fishing here

[digital mural]

You can fish Deez

[vague bridge]

that is, only on the condition that we mutually understand what 'fishing' is

any ideas?

[digital mural]

We can understand Deez

[frail heart]

Ah, this conversation is quite intriguing

[digital mural]

Dingus

[vague bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

the very nature of logic is self-assuming

existence is a presumption

nobody truly knows

we only have Deez

[crystal blaze]

Deez what, sir?

https://tenor.com/view/aubrey-omori-deez-what-sir-meme-gif-22327904

[pine swift]

DEEZ CURSES! locust

https://tenor.com/view/dr-house-the-curse-spirit-halloween-gif-7542455889653738246

[vague bridge]

you can't just go cursing people like that

[pine swift]

too late your crops have withered

guess who won't be surviving the winter

[vague bridge]

'winter'? what does that mean?

[undone raven]

its the time of cold

[vague bridge]

ah but you see, what is 'time'?

[undone raven]

time is the progession of existence

[crystal blaze]

“Time” is deez

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-plague-of1518-gif-24420430

[grizzled patrol]

Pablo fishing with cute Anime Pics Just to Show Up as a dry tank

Fs for the poor fella

[burnt inlet]

If you bring the wrong tools ur kinda screwed in some levels or make them severely harder, weapons it’s only if you don’t bring scatter to any tumor where you’re making it harder but they won’t be having those types of issues for a while

[safe cradle]

I think I get what you are saying but I respectfully disagree, mainly because you can cope taking bad tools by having good weapons in most maps, as along as you have 1 bio and you dont miss your shots. The opposite isn't really true IMHO.

On the other hand, messing up by taking wrong tools really requires outlandish shit like 4 foam launchers or stuff along those lines, you can clear any level 1-1-1-1 or 2 sentries 1 mine 1 bio, or 3 sentries 1 bio as along as you know what to do.

Unless the premise implies some group taking 4 tools they are also bad at using.

[wild flare]

I just wanted to say almost same thing

[burnt inlet]

Mines + foam on R1C1 as a newbie who doesn’t know what weapons are good is :/

[safe cradle]

But at that point I'd say it's a weird argument.

[burnt inlet]

But fair enough

[safe cradle]

yeah but I've seen people clear it provided they're good at dealing damage, which is partially also due to taking good weapons

[burnt inlet]

🤷‍♂️fair enough ig

[wild flare]

I would rather have bio + 3 foam launchers on reactor but with good weapons, then bio + 3 turrets with shitty pistols or other bad weapons

[safe cradle]

Someone that takes bad tools is perhaps also not going to use decent tactics

[grizzled patrol]

You might be shocked, but i have Seen beginner Teams Winning with that. Just Like sleepo Said, it makes the Level Harder, Not completely running it

[safe cradle]

I'll tell you more I also saw a group doing it by holding reactor in R1C1 for all the waves

[burnt inlet]

Fair enough team

[undone raven]

Yeah but at the same time one hel gun solos that entire level so it depends

[burnt inlet]

The skill diff is wayyyy different though

[undone raven]

Ik

[rose hazel]

I think Weapons are more important simply because they're your main means to survival

though Tool has more 'impact' because those are essentially your roles/strats

[past mesa]

Tools have impact mainly because foam and mines can alsmost remove all fighting

Almost all class 1-4s can be completely skipped no fighting with like one mine and 30% foam

[sleek drift]

what's the holdout spot for r2d2? my squad have been using the bridge currently but that fails on later waves since the mobs starting coming from behind

[burnt inlet]

red door should be closed

[sleek drift]

bridge is fine? or elsewhere

[burnt inlet]

where red arrow is

the red line is a closed door

[sleek drift]

ah ok

that only unlocks after a few waves right

[burnt inlet]

yep

[grizzled patrol]

silence turtle

[burnt inlet]

shsuh

[grizzled patrol]

if you are gonna advise them to turtle, then do it properly

the door bellow must be open aswell

[burnt inlet]

the bottom door doest really matter

[prime musk]

if you navigate your mods folders correctly

perfectboosters has dumped your boosters to a file that it set all their values to max and loading that

you can manually edit that file to get any boosters you want

required understanding how it works and i do not have the notes of how it works that i got when i figured out how to do it

[past mesa]

Bridge is fine

[sleek drift]

we get overrun on both sides on later waves tho

[prime musk]

no you won't

just play dynamically

[burnt inlet]

Or skip the level if you haven’t done anything past it

[sleek drift]

our squad is dead set on beating it before moving on

[burnt inlet]

R2E1 is gonna be great :3

[sleek drift]

i've heard the horror stories

[sleek drift]

also for tools should it be 2 burst turret 1 sniper turret and a scanner?

[burnt inlet]

R2D2 yes

[bold frost]

Hello I want to know how to read in game logs in your file to know the location of keys without terminal. Also does that count as a glitch? can you do it for an event ?

[sudden nexus]

@speedrunners can yall start some drama over this? the server is too quiet

[frail heart]

#hc-other message
There are tutorials and tools in this server on how to do it. People are happy to help out if you have any questions. Also yeah soy has said you can for this comp

[ocean spindle]

damn that dramas too hot!! time to cool down

[frail heart]

its crazy that i cant tell anymore if people are just ttrying to bait me

[ocean spindle]

that was just a joke ksks

c:

u keep on at it gamer

[frail heart]

nah not you

[ocean spindle]

a

[past mesa]

@sturdy dew CAN WE Get a hitless challange

r4e1 secondary hitless

[sturdy dew]

Maybe

[past mesa]

it is def possible

trust

[gentle forge]

..what?

what does this mean

[rose hazel]

dont worry about it

save yourself and play gtfo normally

[ripe hamlet]

its basically cheating

[tardy ingot]

Surely r6cx so everyone just dies inside

[golden sparrow]

uh is there a way to oneshot the beefy guys with a sledge?

[rose hazel]

I'm assuming you mean the giant strikers

If you have a yellow syringe you can full charge to the back of the head

Otherwise, you'll need multiple hits

[prime musk]

with hammer and syringe full charge to back is enough
spear and knife needs occiput (knife only works when sleeping)
bat no

[lilac obsidian]

anyone have a favorite gtfo video they learned something significant from?

[grizzled patrol]

@sturdy dew are Marcos outside of blackhopping in the realm of cheating?

[sturdy dew]

Just woke up so those words don’t make any sense to me

Please elaborate

[ripe hamlet]

Lmk if u lwk fk wth macros fr nocap?

There I translated it for you

[sturdy dew]

Ty

[safe cradle]

Macros are a software way to basically have a single button repeat multiple actions. Blackhopping is basically being able to bunnyhop when you hold an item like a cell in order to maintain an higher speed. AFAIK (it's speedrunning stuff so anyone that knows more feel free to correct what I wrote) it's nearly impossible to do that for more than like 10 times without using a Macro to automatize the process.

I assume you could also macro to perfectly reload cancel every time and stuff like that but I dont know.

[ripe hamlet]

you could

we need gtfo e2 solo no kite no cheese TAS now

[frail heart]

Yeah, the more bhops you try to do the less likely and harder it is

you can get somewhat consistent at doing 1 or 2

and its easier on ping

[sturdy dew]

What else can you macro in gtfo other than backhopping

[hoary mason]

more like elevation changes screw up the timings, but doing it on flat surface multiple times in a row isn't that hard

[prime musk]

terminal commands, reload cancelling

especially the former is kinda really powerful because of cls tech (basically skipping waiting periods for commands that execute after some time)

[frail heart]

it doesnt apply at all to this level so shouldnt be an issue

[burnt inlet]

Also isn’t macros 1 command per keystroke?

[prime musk]

cls tech on kds command?

it absolutely applied there

[hollow harbor]

typeahead

[frail heart]

fair

that command is super easy to do logs tech on

you would save like 0.3s

[prime musk]

fair

i suppose current comp also isn't about times so it matters a lot less

[sturdy dew]

Does it make the level easier or just faster

[frail heart]

faster by like 0.3s

[sturdy dew]

Eh then idc

[hollow harbor]

it's theoretically up to 3s actually

[frail heart]

wha

i mean ~0.3s faster than manual logs

idk the exact amount

[hollow harbor]

oh. I got master baited

[frail heart]

[hollow harbor]

so you can do manual logs in 0.3 seconds

quick hands frosty, quick hands

[frail heart]

0.5 or smth

[frail heart]

its just logs -> Enter -> K -> Tab -> Enter -> cls -> Enter

[slender zenith]

bash term

[little pilot]

is lo -> tab -> enter -> K -> Tab -> Enter -> cls -> Enter faster?

less hand movement and one less key press

[hollow harbor]

how is reaching for tab less hand movement

do you use dvorak or sth

[frail heart]

the time spent moving your hand to enter is enough time to type gs

at least for me

[hollow harbor]

trash mod btw

[tardy ingot]

I just have my pinky on enter

[little pilot]

ok i will be flamed for this

[tardy ingot]

[little pilot]

but i press enter with pinky

[hollow harbor]

who doesn't

[tardy ingot]

index does lo
index of left does g, ring of left does s

[slender zenith]

i do too...

[little pilot]

this means u get the press insta the moment tab is pressed

[tardy ingot]

then k would be index, ring of left tab, pinky right enter

[little pilot]

so the idea is: lo->tab->enter is one smooth motion

[hollow harbor]

lo

[tardy ingot]

index left c, index right l, middle left s, pinky right enter

[civic wave]

optimisation brain worms

[frail heart]

me

[civic wave]

you are too far gone

you must create a custom keyboard layout just for cls skipping

[tardy ingot]

tbf I type things basically the same everytime so I just checked how I type

[little pilot]

ok this is genuienly faster

[tardy ingot]

me when kenny

[hollow harbor]

you know what

[frail heart]

you can always just remap keys

[hollow harbor]

it is kinda faster

kinda like how Vy is faster than yy

[tardy ingot]

the advantage of lo tab would be no movement

and the 1 less keystroke

hmm

[frail heart]

lo

k

cls

oh shit

i was actually typing

[little pilot]

the setup for the next k tab enter cls also seems far better

lmao

u can giga abuse the fact that u only press lo too

by doing one single push with the finger

since u have a bit of pause between lo and k

[golden sparrow]

what is this

[burnt inlet]

Giant shooter

[keen seal]

chicken

[golden sparrow]

oh boy

[burnt inlet]

Giant chicken

[timber shoal]

mommy

[golden sparrow]

giant chicken's friend

[golden sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/hideo-kojima-mgs-rocket-metal-gear-idkguyidk-gif-6710607785251356347

[keen seal]

chicken, big shooter

[burnt inlet]

Mommy is scawwy she shoots loads at me

[golden sparrow]

gotcha

i dont reckon theyre any weaker than their striker counterparts?

[keen seal]

they are in fact tankier

[timber shoal]

i love it when she shoots loads at me

[golden sparrow]

thas crazy

[burnt inlet]

Imagine the giants vs strikers, giant shooters vs shooters are kinda same thing

[timber shoal]

more health, generally less of a threat overall tho

[golden sparrow]

hm ok

[burnt inlet]

I get scawwed and look away causing her to miss

[timber shoal]

i get distracted and miss

[golden sparrow]

just blew a hole through one of their tummies

other one got beat to death

[timber shoal]

yeah thats what i woulda did

[burnt inlet]

Some ”advanced” tech is to look left or right and move in the other direction to dodge projectiles

[golden sparrow]

uh huh

[burnt inlet]

From what I’ve heard you like it when they hit you

[golden sparrow]

heard

[timber shoal]

oh god, what's rem been telling you

[fallen kite]

Big shooter

[ocean spindle]

strafe as its known

[fallen kite]

Chicken

[keen seal]

what the helly

[burnt inlet]

Target limbs when meleeing since that’s where they get staggered

[fallen kite]

Whats up

[burnt inlet]

Our game told me a lot

[keen seal]

what about some people calling them hybrids

didn't expect you to be up

[timber shoal]

well

[golden sparrow]

oh heard

[timber shoal]

you're not wrong

[burnt inlet]

Samesame

[fallen kite]

Dude hit the chicken in the back of the head twice

[keen seal]

realest

[fallen kite]

U will be hitting for years if u go for limbs

[keen seal]

me when I hit the chicken 8 times full charge

[burnt inlet]

Did not know it was two shot

[keen seal]

same as hybrid

[fallen kite]

^

[burnt inlet]

Did not know they were either

[fallen kite]

nahhh

you’re missing out

[burnt inlet]

And we talking about hammer right

[keen seal]

same health and multis as hybrid

yes

[fallen kite]

yh

its one shot on spear I promise

[burnt inlet]

Insane how I got till r5c1 and r6d3 without this tech

[burnt inlet]

Yellow syringe moment

[fallen kite]

well

[keen seal]

I mean you don't see them much

[burnt inlet]

Tbf i haven’t seen a lot of eeping ones

[lilac obsidian]

wait strafing is advanced? or just for gtfo?

[ocean spindle]

uh noo

but they phrased it funny

:3

[lilac obsidian]

yes quite

[lilac obsidian]

fren gib hug

hes very lonely

[golden sparrow]

not that one

this one has very many things to say

i killed the ones that wanted to give me hugs

[lilac obsidian]

well being alone for so long you might

[golden sparrow]

(R7B1 for reference)

trying to find depressurizer rn, not sure where

[lilac obsidian]

(ngl i havent even finished the first mission with bots or anything so i wouldnt know what that one is like)

[lilac obsidian]

where there is high pressure

[burnt inlet]

:3

[burnt inlet]

I included the quotation marks for a reason

It’s more so the looking left or right part

[keen seal]

bridge

[golden sparrow]

figuredit out

[frail heart]

House

Table

[golden sparrow]

OH BOY

new things

[burnt inlet]

Md

[ocean spindle]

NEW??? IN MY GTFO??

[keen seal]

chair?

[frail heart]

R9

[frail heart]

Chicken

[keen seal]

Jockey.

[golden sparrow]

jorker

[burnt inlet]

Can be used for regular showers and other projectiles btw

[lilac obsidian]

regular show

[golden sparrow]

huh

what can

[burnt inlet]

The strafing tech

[golden sparrow]

oh ok

[craggy pier]

Any way to fix terminal bug while in a level..?

Or am I screwed?

[burnt inlet]

Guy who caused it rejoins I think

[craggy pier]

Tyyyyyy!

[burnt inlet]

Just get the mod frfr

[craggy pier]

Worked

[craggy pier]

I would but I'm unfamiliar with mods

Thank god it worked though

[burnt inlet]

R2modman is a click away

[golden sparrow]

do bots use literally anything except biotracker

and some items

havent seen any of them place a damn turret or use seafoam or anything

[keen seal]

you need to tell them to do it through the q menu

[frail heart]

You have to tell them

[golden sparrow]

hm ok

ping to sync kill didnt do shit

so i stopped looking at the ping menu lol

[keen seal]

yeah those are just voicelines

[golden sparrow]

oh ok

[burnt inlet]

Cfoam sucks on them

[golden sparrow]

hm gotcha

so stick with turrets and mines?

[burnt inlet]

For bots yes

And biotracker

And yourself should be cfoam > mines > biotracker > sentries

[golden sparrow]

aw

I like my sentries

but yeah foam probably would be best...

[ocean spindle]

for r1 i assume ur doing, nah except on about A1

[golden sparrow]

gotcha

[golden sparrow]

i was doing r7

r7b1

[ocean spindle]

wahh

[burnt inlet]

Don’t do in game matchmaking and stick to R1 and R2 for now

[golden sparrow]

okay

I jus looked up the progression order to do them in lol

[burnt inlet]

technically doing OG is the ”canon” way to do it I believe but still don’t

[golden sparrow]

gotcha

[unborn glen]

Is there another LFG channel for non-beginners? Just curious

[timber shoal]

the non-beginner ones are everything else

[unborn glen]

I am incapable of seeing them, apparently 😭

[little pilot]

click on channels & roles all the way at the top

and select the channels u want to see

[unborn glen]

ah thanku

[proper cypress]

i have a question about r1c1 or about reactor startup levels. is the amount of enemies of each wave set meaning u can give urself some time putting in the code or do they only stop spawning after u enter the code?

and how do bots equipped with a biotracker work?

[topaz anvil]

Each code has a set amount of enemies that will spawn

[tiny wyvern]

Bots with bios have lower cooldowns and much longer range

Usually pretty good

[proper cypress]

okay chill, thank you

[proper cypress]

so they also use it quite frequently?

[tiny wyvern]

yes

[proper cypress]

nice thats good to know ty

[tiny wyvern]

Also the enemies should stop spawning when the code appears (at least, the reactor wave does)

Unless you've somehow pushed waves too mmuch

[proper cypress]

what does that mean?

[tiny wyvern]

This game has spawn cap

If you let enemies get to spawn cap enemies stop spawning

[proper cypress]

ah i see

[tiny wyvern]

So for instance in R1C1

Long corridors + slow enemies = less enemies spawn per second

Meaning that it'll take you much longer to deal with the wave, which then means you're going to get less time to loot, etc.

[topaz anvil]

Prioritise killing enemies quickly where possible. That way you minimise how many enemies are left in the code hunt

[proper cypress]

okay so enemies usually stop spawning when the code appears, and i can give my team (duo) a bit more time by entering the code very late, right?

[tiny wyvern]

Yes

Enemies spawn two rooms away, so as long as you don't push them all the way into the very long corridors in the R1C1 cell, the waves should end right as the code shows

Or a little before, depends

[proper cypress]

okay thank you

[rose hazel]

essentially if you fail to clear an enemy wave before the next one could spawn, it will queue and spawn when space is available

[sturdy glen]

wait a second... 🤨

[rose hazel]

I'm you but better

[sturdy glen]

🤯 🤯 🤯

[wild flare]

Impostor

[inland trench]

109775243601873772 join!!!!

109775243602078750

109775243602078750

109775243602078750

109775243602078750

109775243602078750

109775243602078750

[grizzled patrol]

No

[wild flare]

💀

[keen seal]

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[crystal blaze]

Hey, wait a minute, it’s the person who refuses to take the Mastercard/Visa situation seriously!

Clown on ‘em

https://tenor.com/view/poking-anime-madoka-magica-madoka-magica-gif-13003129460001111615

[digital mural]

LMAO

[crystal blaze]

That exchange was peak GTFO chat

[wide silo]

Question, is there a big variety of enemies or no?

[digital mural]

There is:
Normal enemies
Chargers
Shadows
Nightmares
||Mini-bosses||
||Bosses||

[prime musk]

there are 15 common enemies
8 somewhat uncommon enemies.
there are 3 very uncommon enemies.
approximately since i may have forgotten something

[wide silo]

Have people modded the game for more content or?

[digital mural]

Yes

#hc-modded

But I don't recommend it until you have a decent amount of experience

Modded rundowns and content in general are made for players that already know how the game works.

[fathom ice]

bleeders spotted in the complex

[wide silo]

Yes yes of course, thanks for letting me know beforehand, it's not gonna be like how I skipped base terraria and started with calamity

[tardy ingot]

3 very uncommon ?
|| kraken, pablo, potato and m-mom? || or did you have one of those in uncommon?

[digital mural]

Where ||nightmare babies||

[tardy ingot]

also fair

And well || infection chicken ||

[wide silo]

Man the temptation to click these spoilers 😭

[steady maple]

||The nightmare babies are such a frightening concept that they only exist in one level that is literally the prisoner's nightmare/hallucination in r8a2 secondary||

[tardy ingot]

If you want I could give you the random no telling community names that exist

which basically would just show nothing xD

[digital mural]

Quick, post spoilers.

[steady maple]

It is better to run into the enemies naturally so when you encounter them you get to go "WTF is that"

[prime musk]

||pablo, kraken, potato, nm baby
i figured i had forgotten one||

[steady maple]

||Nightmare giant would be counted at the same level as nightmare baby as they both only spawn on one level||

[tardy ingot]

the || nightmare baby || can be spawned independently tho

[grizzled patrol]

||This Text is a Spoiler||

[wide silo]

I'm avoiding spoilers strictly for this lol

[digital mural]

||spoiler|| ?

[wide silo]

How I felt seeing the feelers for the first time yesterday and accidentally triggering one

[grizzled patrol]

|| a Car Part mostly found at the Back of it||

[prime musk]

||nightmare giant = potato||

[steady maple]

Shame we didn't get to see the uncommons in rundown 8 more though, I wouldnt have minded if they just spiked the difficulty to 900

[digital mural]

The ||potato|| is kinda OP so || I guess it makes sense we didn't see it at all||

[grizzled patrol]

@sturdy dew was it really worth it removing the Spoiler Chat?

[tardy ingot]

Nonono || spoiler that more || so its secure

[prime musk]

||potato is not that scary but it is a massive ammo drain so it putting it in more levels restrict what guns work even more||

[steady maple]

solution: add way more enemies and way more ammopacks

[undone raven]

The R7d2 theory

[sturdy dew]

[crystal blaze]

||That’s not a hallucination, no?||

||As far as I understand, that’s an alternate universe where Project Insight got full reign to do whatever the fuck they wanted||

[wet bear]

Nightmare bbc doesn't exist it can't hurt you

[runic roost]

you should see the eldritch horrors modders create for enemies........ Glaggleland Koff

[crystal blaze]

Me when a Tank has the giant BBC AI

[wide silo]

I'll try to get more ay time first, I will do just that later tho!

Do people mod in more guns and gear? Besides enemies?

[burnt inlet]

yes, everything is custom, even maps

[ocean spindle]

recommended u try moddin when u finish gtfo cuz obvs spoils fkr everything

[burnt inlet]

sam doesnt agree

[ocean spindle]

what will i get called now

🔥

[burnt inlet]

idk prolly pub again

[ocean spindle]

that was not the last word used

[burnt inlet]

idk what the last word was

[ocean spindle]

u were there goof #gtfo-chat message

[burnt inlet]

oh

bruh

no memory frfr

memoryleak

[sick mauve]

just you wait

[abstract root]

Good mission to practice scouts? (R1-R4 since thats where Im at, trying to help my friend learn how to kill them better)

[topaz anvil]

I would have said R6C1 xdddd

[frail heart]

r7b1 has 3 scouts right afer a checkpoint

or you can just download scout playground

[topaz anvil]

Would recommend scout playground

[tardy ingot]

scout playground (spoiler free for you at this point iirc)
you could let both scouts live in R1A1, then do alarm and checkpoint. Then run to scouts and try again and again

[abstract root]

Ok noted Imma see what my friend wants to try thanks you

[undone raven]

R8e2 is pretty decent, there are often 2-3 scouts per zone and lots of bosses so you can practice with those too!

[topaz anvil]

troll face emoji

[abstract root]

yes yes, i definitely have e2 unlocked

[undone raven]

Just pub it

[abstract root]

Thats true

[undone raven]

Honestly you will probably do fine with someone to show you what to do

[abstract root]

I tried out scout playground oml @mint parcel is gonna be dyin

[topaz anvil]

[frail heart]

Ur that guy that did that r3 video right?

[burnt inlet]

hey i remember ur vids

[tardy ingot]

cole made some nice videos for r1-r3

[abstract root]

I did yes, I’ve made vids on r1-r3 so far, slowly going through da game

[frail heart]

yeah i saw the r3 one

good shit

[abstract root]

Appreciate it ❤️

[burnt inlet]

@abstract root link your YouTube to ur discord

[frail heart]

i was literally about to say that

[abstract root]

Done

[burnt inlet]

Yummers

[vague bridge]

anyone know what this enemy is? i accidentally woke one up and it just started beating me, so i've opted to call it Dad

[ocean spindle]

no is is

bullrusher

[ripe hamlet]

spikehead

[vague bridge]

i like Dad more, hits close to home

[ripe hamlet]

if he did not cry and promise not to do it again when he sobers up hes not dad

[civic furnace]

erm

[ripe hamlet]

but if he tells you to promise him not to tell others, then he is uncle

[vague bridge]

ill keep that in mind next time i see one

[fathom ice]

erm

[grizzled patrol]

Just wait Till you See the actuall dad who knocks you Out in 3 punches

[flat pecan]

Hi all,
Quick question for the veterans here, with my friends we're having trouble having a 4th player that doesn't give up about the game.
Right now, we're considering doing the game as 3 players (maybe adding a bot if needed eventually with a the better bot mod if its too messy)

I have 2 questions:

1. is it really feasible to do the whole game as 3 ? I already did R2E1 with another group and I feel like its impossible to do it while lacking a player.

2. How should we approach loadout if we stay as 3 ? I know its level dependant but looking for a general guideline
   Gadget wise: I feel like we must ditch the biotracker and take a sentry to compensate for the lack of firepower.But on the otherhand, biotracker seems to carry our runs for the stealth clearing, spotting the scout and obviously the alarms. Any takes on this ?

[steady maple]

You can do the whole game as 2, r2e1 is just a mission that stands out as being more difficult with less players because of heavy carries. Keep your biotracker or take a biotracker bot, it will often be the most valuable tool. Biotracker and sentries is also considered better than only sentries because of the biotracked enemy efficiency bonus for some sentries

[flat pecan]

currently with this group we still have to finish R2D2 , R2E1 is for later but yeah I'm wondering how to deal with the shadow room after the first surge if we don't have a biotracker player calling for the position of the sleepers (basically how I did it the first time)

[frail heart]

Extremely feasible. 2 Players is the minimum to complete the entire game without extreme cheese/bugs

[ripe hamlet]

kite better i guess

learn how to funnel enemies by exploiting their pathing

just bring bio if you play 3

its always worth it

(and bio on bot basically guarantee shadows always pinged)

general shadow tips is upping your shadow resolution and quality, and bring strong flashlight, and shining at their toes dont alert them

[prime musk]

compensate for lacking firepower by bringing sawed off
and commencing sawed off spam

[ripe hamlet]

just always bring sawed off

do not fall for the pdw propaganda

[flat pecan]

Sawed off is scattergun right ?

[prime musk]

the main weapon sawed off shotgun

[flat pecan]

Yeah that's something I actually need to learn, I'm pretty decent at dodging hits but funnelling mobs will helps and give value to hel guns etc

[flat pecan]

A.k.a the boss destroyer , I see

[grizzled patrol]

No. Sawn off is the Bane of the smalls while scatter is the Bane of the bigs

[flat pecan]

but are we like all playing sawed off ? We're getting used to the hel shotgun right now and its not really noob friendly but its getting better

[prime musk]

hel shotgun is also very strong

[grizzled patrol]

Try Out slug shotgun

It is Not as powerfull, but insanely fun

[ripe hamlet]

hel shotty is when you mass stagger but sawed off is when you kill a small pack

[flat pecan]

so its like a good combo to have both ? packing sleepers with hel shotty and clearing with sawed off ?

[prime musk]

ngl it doesn't really matter you can stack and mix them freely and it's good enough for every level

that said sawed off has a bit (read: deceptively much) more range which is valuable in a lot of scenarios

[flat pecan]

so weapons wise, its advised to have hel shotty / Sawed off and hell gun/rifle as specials ?

[prime musk]

sawed off / hel shotgun / hel revo + scatter / hel rifle / hel gun / burst cannon

[flat pecan]

kk thx

[steady maple]

bullpup is worse than ar

[prime musk]

it is not

[steady maple]

mathematically it is

[prime musk]

in what sense

[steady maple]

BP gets 60 bullets per ammo supply at 2.1 damage and the AR gets 61 at 2.18
AR is simply a more efficient gun excluding precision damage

the bullpup fundamentally invites headshots but the blistering firerate leads to wasting bullets

Both are less efficient than the smg which is less efficient than the pdw/heavy smg

its not a mistake that its the primary weapon of choice for hell difficulty on the comp

[prime musk]

both have abysmal stats but bullpup has the better mag and dps

actually using the guns makes it clear that ar is worse

[prime musk]

if soy wanted it to suck as badly as possible it wouldn't be with pr, or hel auto sentry, or spear