gtfo-related-questions

[prime musk]

ty

[inner inlet]

Me and bro are going to try and beat r1d1 at some point, what should i take the throw the game🤡

[ocean spindle]

shotgun sentry

[minor fractal]

AR/HAR/Shotgun Sentry/Bat

[civic wave]

mines and foam isn't a bad bet either

[frail heart]

Shotgun sentry probably does more than mines

[tardy ingot]

cfoam could ladder foam urgh

[ripe hamlet]

just mine the scans path

[dusty basalt]

HOW TO GET OUT OF GLITCH SPOT ON R5D2 (URGENT)

[fathom ice]

u can't

geegs

rejoining doesn't work either

[digital mural]

Another one has fallen

[dusty basalt]

Can my teammates even finish the mission if I'm like this?
\

are there team scans after the reactor?

[civic wave]

there are in fact team scans

[dusty basalt]

yep, we tried exit expedition and it immediately put all players back to the beginning after host transition

[civic wave]

yeah, host leaves = host migration happens

[dusty basalt]

and it restarted the mission

[inner inlet]

What is this glich spot in r5d2, so i can avoid it

[digital mural]

One word: stairs

Good luck

[inner inlet]

Fym stairs😭 🙏

[digital mural]

Stairs are evil in this game

[inner inlet]

Do you like undertale through the stairs?

[dusty basalt]

There's like a charger door for the last reactor code or something and in the fog in the middle of the stairs, you can get caught.

True softlock

[ripe hamlet]

chat what is the setting to crank up for seeing shadows?

[digital mural]

Shadows

[ripe hamlet]

resolution or quality

or both

i look around and the answers are conflicting

[fathom ice]

both

[ripe hamlet]

ic

ty chat

[uneven kiln]

@dusty basalt @inner inlet

[[R5D2]]

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R5D2

[uneven kiln]

I wrote all about it in the Known Bugs section

#gtfo-media message

I’m very thankful there’s a plugin for it now but everyone in the lobby has to be running it otherwise people who dont get kicked

[dusty basalt]

Any levels start off with immediate access to shadow scouts?

I want to practice my knife kills on them.

[uneven kiln]

R6D3 Overload

That’s the fastest shadow scout I know of

[dusty basalt]

ah

sadly I can't access that level yet

still in R5

[ocean spindle]

nothing really otherwise tbh

cuz aall the levels in the restt of r4 have them late

[sick mauve]

if only the rundowns weren’t linear and you play them in any order

[hard nexus]

8c1

Also why does 8b2 main go harder than secondary

I tried it for the first time last night and holy fuck secondary is boring in comparison

[ocean spindle]

they are, the same except for the ending?

[hard nexus]

Yea

Secondary ending is fucking snoozefest

Point and click quest

[sudden nexus]

there's always scout practice

[dusty basalt]

Not when all my teammates run hammer and I run knife

I am very well versed in knife killing regular scouts though

[ocean spindle]

no theres a mod that makes u practice

scoutplayground

o wait i undertood wrong

eh well now u know

[elfin pebble]

can someone take me into a run i havent unlocked before

[granite flume]

R1A1

[elfin pebble]

that doesnt answer my question at all

[granite flume]

mango

[digital mural]

yes

youll get the clear but you wont be able to host it

[elfin pebble]

alright sweet cheers

[ocean spindle]

that just sounds like ur asking for it not asking if its possible lol

[elfin pebble]

oh im not im asking if its possible my bad

dont wanna join a vc and not be able to play the run they want

[ocean spindle]

[if ur new i wouldnt suggest joning levels that are wayyy too ahead]

[u get massively spoiled and carried]

[elfin pebble]

im not new im just returning and dont remember these things

[ocean spindle]

oooohh ok

good luck re-entering then

and have fun with r8 its gamer

[ocean spindle]

is there scouts in r5a3 sec

[sudden nexus]

scout playground is what i meant

[fluid heath]

Does using any kind of QOL mod (ex. PingEverything) impact the vanilla experience in any way?

[tiny wyvern]

You can ping enemies

Which is super busted with shadows

[fathom ice]

you can ping shadows !

[tiny wyvern]

Depending on your definition of QOL

It can range from getting used to hoarding resources (resourcemanager and drop mod)

Very prominent in R1C1 from beginners who don't quite know how things work yet

Or a severely bad addiction to boosters (perfect boosters, which is usually the very, VERY tip of the border of QOL)

You'll use boosters so often you can't live without them, which is really, really bad

Outside of that though not much
QOL patches like bug fixes usually just screw over the people trying to exploit

And certain ones make game breaking bugs less game breaking

@fluid heath Does that answer your question?

[fluid heath]

I did have one more question

I read somewhere that using mods of any kind make it so that completing a mission does not count as a completion

Is that true?

[tiny wyvern]

No, only the ones that use MTFO block completion

Most QOL (Yes, even the ones that advertize themselves as QOL (the cheat ones)) usually don't block completion

Easiest way to tell is the bottom right corner

If it says the normal string of numbers and nothing else you should be fine

If there's more added there you're probably on MTFO

Which means you aren't going to be progressing

[fluid heath]

I see

Well I do appreciate your answers

[fathom ice]

I thought mtfo only blocks achievements

[fluid heath]

I really just wanted to have access to pinging locations for friends

[tiny wyvern]

Honestly just go to #hc-modded And ask the unofficial modded server

The folks there would be able to answer more on the stuff about progression

And a lot more than whatever an idiot like me can suppliment

[fluid heath]

You have been helpful though

Thank you for your answers

[uneven kiln]

@tiny wyvern you can link people the bug wiki page, I have done a whole restructuring

[tiny wyvern]

sorry, what do you mean by that?

Like tru's old investigation post?

[uneven kiln]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Bug_Wiki/Tech_Support_Wiki

check out the first section

[misty kernel]

whats NRV probe?

and what do they do? i need anwser asap

[digital mural]

nothing

its just flavor text

[craggy pier]

Whenever u complete a mission, it says Completed: [1,-,-,-]
What do those numbers mean? The objectives you can do on some missions?

[wild flare]

number of clears
other 3 empty symbols will start from rundown 4 ( optional objectives )

[civic wave]

[Main, Secondary, Overload, Prisoner Efficiency (which is Main + Secondary + Overload all in the same run)]

[wheat gate]

PE achievment is easier than all secondary bcos theres less levels, and u dont hav to do e2 for it xd

[inner inlet]

Hey guys, me and bro are going to try r2c2 tomorrow, what should i bring to throw the game?

[ocean spindle]

spear

[inner inlet]

But spear is good normaly right?

[tardy ingot]

No

[inner inlet]

Why is spear bad? You get the persition multi right?

[ember mulch]

Spear 😶

[civic wave]

it's unrefined and unbegetting of a sci-fi setting

[inner inlet]

Fym this shi set in 1982😭 🙏 fnaf hasn't even hapened yet in gtfo

[civic wave]

i think you'll find that john chaffeur's birth date is set after 1982

[inner inlet]

Bro have you seen a terminal😭 🙏 aint no way ts is sci fi

[civic wave]

you've clearly never seen the backend programs used in healthcare environments

[inner inlet]

Bruh ain't no way shit from the 80s is being used in sci fi tkmes bruh😭 🙏

[wheat gate]

how u gonna have "ArchBTW" in ur name

and say that

[inner inlet]

Cause the terminals are not like the arch terminal🤷‍♂️

Also if the terminals ran off arch you could know where everything is in the level in like 7 seconds

[wheat gate]

i disagree

i need disinfection

im gonna say my headcanon is that there is actually a ton of processing overhead that we r not seeing ingame due to gameplay being a focused experience

bcos imagine trying to wirelessly ping ammo irl and what that would imply technologically

and if ammo is tracked, probably every single piece of equipment in the facility is tracked

so it would likely take a lot longer to filter thru than u may first expect

we r probably seeing a vastly oversimplified version of terminals for gameplay purpose

imagine if we had to filter thru facility equipment with like a future version of sql (😨)

[silk radish]

Select * from Resources Where zone = 70

[frail heart]

Wrong

[uneven kiln]

thank you for your modded rundown suggestion I will keep this in mind

[granite flume]

Should I just do main and secondary or should I try and get main, secondary, and overload?

[digital mural]

Depends on the level

[granite flume]

R4A2

[ocean spindle]

if u struggle inmensely maybe but by the point ur on r4a2 should be fine

for future reference u can play a main only run if u struggle with the optionals, to see hows the rest of the level

[granite flume]

W plan

I just decided to do it because it was an option

Me and the bots are set on ammo and health so honestly I could’ve done all three

But I didn’t check key placements

So no overload for me

[ocean spindle]

sad

for most r4 levels, PE is THE level

doing main only usually just ends up in a 10 minute misssion

and it is for many cases like b1, b2, c3, d2

they kinda depend on the PE

after r5 its gets more leveled

[safe cradle]

Just as an headsup, regarding R4: A2 ||Overload as soon as you can||, A3 ||Secondary first unless you wanna make it harder||, B2 ||Forced order, Secondary first, then Overload||, B3 ||Forced order, Overload first||, C2 || Forced order, Secondary then Overload||, C3 ||Secondary First unless you want to make it harder, then Overload then Main||, D2 || Overload, dont pick cargo, then Secondary then Main||.

All the rest are basically obvious (C1 for example of course you want to do Secondary before Main).

Some are a little weird (A3 has 2 parts where you can select Main so actual order is || Secondary, Main, Overload, Main||).

[misty kernel]

hel revolver has penetration?

[tiny wyvern]

Yes

All the hel weapons do

[misty kernel]

how tf is it not penetrating on mine or am i blind

or do they have to be extremely close

[tiny wyvern]

Oh... Um
Ask someone about penetration bug

[misty kernel]

so ur saying my gaym is bugged

[tiny wyvern]

@tardy ingot Does hel pen get affected by the hitting corpses thing?

[prime musk]

it should never matter for hel revo

you're either missing or not noticing it

[tardy ingot]

^

[tardy ingot]

You have to actually hit 2 enemies

[hoary horizon]

Chat is it wise to learn how to play well solo then going into a team setting?

[prime musk]

no

[hoary horizon]

It would ruin the team dynamic my guess

[prime musk]

playing solo (true solo) can be good practice but it's a different game in a lot of ways so just learn with your friends if possible

[hoary horizon]

Nah I meant just as practice not like true solo

[violet laurel]

i did that, just pub tbh

[hoary horizon]

Like practice being able to min max what I can contribute in my team

[violet laurel]

you dont really gain anything from learning to balance 3 bots

[hoary horizon]

I hate myself but not enough to play true solo

What’s the best mission for practicing scout stealth kills

[civic wave]

you could go solo to practice a bit in some things

stealthing rooms, holding waves, etc

[hoary horizon]

Yea it’s mainly gonna be stealthing rooms

[grizzled patrol]

modded? The Gym. Vanilla? i would say R1B1

[hoary horizon]

Ok thanks!

Just go the north route my guess

Only direction with scouts

[tardy ingot]

As goat indicated

Its good to practice and get used to some things (stealthing, shooting and how terminals work)

But there will be so so much to learn that you should just join a group once you dont feel absolutely lost.
And if you rly wanna learn theres guides (spoiler free typically) in the https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/884816732936622110 channel

[stoic hedge]

in R4C3 ||you can do Overload first if you like spice and want to cut out half of Secondary, not doing Secondary first doesn't really affect Overload||

[hoary horizon]

I do have a group but we don’t get to play GTFO often cause we like playing a variety of games

[tardy ingot]

absolutely fair

You can just join pub lobbies if you and your team wont mind

[hoary horizon]

Yea I asked one of them and they were fine, I should ask the rest when I see them next

I’ll definitely try out pub’s at some point

[thick stump]

what are the best quality of life mods for gtfo which doesn't change the game experience and still let you get achievements because I have still some missing? O.o

[tardy ingot]

1. what exactly are you looking for (what issues were you running into?)
2. why qol mods for the last achievements :0?

[thick stump]

I know of pingeverything which makes pinging easier, maybe dropping resources or something

I do achievements accidentally but I heard that some mods are deactivating them

[minor fractal]

I don't think anything besides modded rundowns does

[prime musk]

(dropping resources majorily affects gameplay and the experience)

[tardy ingot]

Both of these arent rly quality of life mods

The mods that actually deactivate them are modded rundowns sometimes

[thick stump]

only for reactor rundowns, because in the others it is just annoying in my opinion

[thick stump]

what do you consider of quality of life? maybe I missed something

[tardy ingot]

in general dropping resources is never necessary and if it helps it majorly affects the gameplay

[minor fractal]

I don't think it matters very much depending on use

[tardy ingot]

Genuine fixes for bugs that dont make stuff a lot easier (shooterbugfix, soundbugfix etc)

Accuratecrosshair
Accuracymod

[minor fractal]

But if you're spending lots of time relocating every resource, it's pretty far from vanilla gameplay

Really only makes sense as QoL if it's like, you picked something up and then decide you shouldn't have grabbed that

[thick stump]

yeah, that's true

[thick stump]

thank you very much for this info :D

[thick stump]

yeah, this happens sometimes if someone has a supply effiency and I took it but want to give to that person but there is no pack left to swap :'

[minor fractal]

Lmfao

That's not what I mean

[tardy ingot]

Dont hard play around supplyefficiency

[civic wave]

supply efficiency is not something necessitated

you miss 1 pack, big deal

you still have the 13 other packs

[minor fractal]

You often want hands during code search, and grabbing resources before code search is bad.

[prime musk]

team i was in a r4e1 pub and the +80 med effi (and +100 supply) complained when he wasn't allowed to grab the 3med in shadow zone (everyone was max infect)

[thick stump]

I play without boosters, maybe only if there is the toxic fog, but my friends are playing with them

[tardy ingot]

its never necessary and simply having it (and using it sometimes) absolutely breaks the ammo economy

Like, theres already enough ammo to shoot up most levels in their entirety if you play and plan well

[tardy ingot]

This^

if your friends get annoyed about a pack being picked up for their booster then just shrug

[civic wave]

even if you only use provisions on one pack per level, that's plenty usage

honestly maybe provisions would work better as a one time buff I.e the first use you use per level gets the bonus and then it's disabled forevermore

[tiny wyvern]

(funnily enough if your provisions suck at the game it'll kill your run)

[fathom ice]

man I remember

[tiny wyvern]

(Cause he'll be down when you need ammo most)

[fathom ice]

I brought supply in hange lobby

and I asked him to give me med so I can give him med

and he said he won't play around my supply

I was heart broken

[grizzled patrol]

based

[fathom ice]

I was just trying to help 🥺

[civic wave]

i do the same thing

[fathom ice]

but I do understand it so]

[thick stump]

thank you all for the help!

[fathom ice]

and it's been a while

[tiny wyvern]

Oh right is cfoam portion good in your opinion eva

[tardy ingot]

Can be ridicolous

[fathom ice]

team I think anything thats buffes anything is good

like it can't be bad

[grizzled patrol]

glowstick power is gamebraking fr fr

[ocean lance]

+hacking insanely good

[tiny wyvern]

when you have --hacking you wish for lock melters
when you have ++hacking you suddenly find all the lock melters in the world

[stoic hedge]

hack a box to find 3 lock melters inside

[tardy ingot]

Lockmelters are better than hacking at any point

[wet bear]

Just use autohack

[uneven kiln]

I consider pingeverything cheating despite the genuinely innocent purposes it has for people who are muted because you can spam ping and even ping Shadows which is a highly distinct advantage you can't get in vanilla, but I understand why so many use it in pubs and I haven't seen anyone use it in that way

Similarly, FreeThySelf is a genuinely innocent mod that unfortunately allows you to cheat bioscans by spamming it to repeatedly go OOB to dodge hordes, Hybrid projectiles, Giant punches, which Haubergier got to see me do last night when we were testing the softlock spot in R5D2 for wiki

so they're kind of in a "lobby agreement not to abuse it" territory

[safe cradle]

To be honest I'm against pingeverything because it gets spammed

[uneven kiln]

oh have you encountered that?

[safe cradle]

I dont think I saw it used to mark shadows other than like a couple of times

99% that and chatterreborn are just people spamming stuff

[fathom ice]

i have ping everything and i don't spam it

be me

[safe cradle]

There'd also be a discussion made for certain things, that make the game way easier

And aren't intended to be used that way

[civic wave]

ping everything takes fun out of the game

bad mod

[safe cradle]

like stuff that removes effects so you see much better than you SHOULD

and stuff that pumps gamma to 500% so you can always see enemies

But whatever it's a PvE game who cares

people spamming shit, however, is an annoyance

nowadays my tolerance towards weird mods has increased a lot

mainly because, to be honest, if I'd get pickier I'd have an harder time finding a lobby and I'm here to play

[ocean spindle]

is u

[civic wave]

yeah, sadly its quite normalised

[fathom ice]

my only reason

is to ping where to place sentries

or mine foam doors

well u can ping doors so it's only sentries prob

[civic wave]

though with not playing as much/not as many people in the server, it feels that there's less lobbies where its a problem

[uneven kiln]

On the bug wiki page I only list mods that strictly are bugfixes for clearly unintended jank and can't be abused in any way/take away the ability to exploit

[safe cradle]

To an extent accuratecrosshair could be abused I guess

nipple effect thing is perhaps more info than you should have, but it's 100% deactivatable (is that a word?) so whatever

It really gave me an idea of how precise Carbine hipfire is tbh

[civic wave]

accurate crosshair sucks for sniper btw, get a headache whenever i see that shit

[fathom ice]

it's a mechanic tho

[fathom ice]

upvote

[civic wave]

what mods do i use again

[safe cradle]

kickmod

[civic wave]

think it's just replay, modlist, nickname, damage indicator, yeah kickmod too

[safe cradle]

I'll never go without kickmod no matter what

I've those aside from modlist and replay.

And also I've gluefix.

[fathom ice]

isn't gluefix is for foam portion

or am i tripping

[safe cradle]

no

[wet bear]

Foam portion is working fine wdym

[safe cradle]

it was to fix foam blobs standing in the air

then it moved to also combat audioglitches

yeah foam portion works as intended

[uneven kiln]

gluefix prevents floater blobs leftover from foaming enemies or objects not culling properly after 256 seconds

also fixes spitter audio bug yep

extremely useful mod for R2D1 or R6D4, since theres so many Spitters there

[safe cradle]

R4D2 too and that doesn't have many spitters, I think it's a spitter+generators combo that is particularly perilous for memoryleak

R4B1 too

I've yet to personally see it with a map that only has either or

[uneven kiln]

the full combo is spitter+generator humming+cocoons audio with Spitters being the main one

and then memoryleakfix addresses other items prone to causing loss of functionality after the game has been running for a couple of hours

[tardy ingot]

Wouldnt be necessary if

1. people knew how tools and alarms worked
2. people were attentive and see where you are
3. people werent blind and could understand the direction you are aiming at

[tardy ingot]

Dirty modding goat

Smh

[fathom ice]

exactly

but they are so

[safe cradle]

I spam flashlight in the direction I want the sentry to placed at

but whatever

[stuck ravine]

oh, so that's how you were doing that

[safe cradle]

out of all the reasons to ban pingeverything, the only one I need is the "people spam that shit just to be annoying"

[stuck ravine]

tbh i should never install that bc in any game with a ping system, i uncontrollably ping everything without even meaning to :(

[safe cradle]

Thanks for not installing it then 🤣

[stuck ravine]

yeah nah i wouldn't want people to have to deal with that

[tardy ingot]

I stay where I want it until they see

Then I walk backwards and forwards in the direction I want it (while looking in said direction)

[wet bear]

Force people to accept your rules of playing or get them in your basement

[stuck ravine]

only so much room in the basement

[fathom ice]

I was doing that for a while

but i'm a mute

sooooooo

[stuck ravine]

did i get good rng earlier to hear u speak

[fathom ice]

yes

[stuck ravine]

[wet bear]

Spam place sentry gun

[fathom ice]

ohhhhh

ure so right

[wet bear]

If you aren't satisfied with position of sentry spam again, if nothing changes you can shoot teammate

[fathom ice]

oooo

[safe cradle]

you can always shoot teammate

[wet bear]

Yes

[safe cradle]

you're just testing their reflexes

[stuck ravine]

someone fucking capped me earlier during extraction on r3d1

that wasn't nice, but it was funny

and they rezzed me so it was okay c:

[wet bear]

And maybe they have parry mod so they parry your shot back if they have enough of reaction

[safe cradle]

you know what's not funny? someone capping everyone but themselves at R4A2 for the fun then dying to horde

[stuck ravine]

racially motivated action

[safe cradle]

I mean I've like 20 PE there, but that shit still makes me angry after a month

[stuck ravine]

is r4a2 really tough

[ocean spindle]

it's not about the completion it's about decency

[ocean spindle]

no

it's an A

[stuck ravine]

really long?

[safe cradle]

I'm okay if people throw because bad plays happens, who cares it's a videogame

[ocean spindle]

B with PE maybe

no

[civic wave]

ya if you're gonna be a dick you better at least have the gameplay to back it up

[ocean spindle]

30 mins

[stuck ravine]

oh

[safe cradle]

but doing so intentionally it's grating

[tiny wyvern]

wut's going on?

[fathom ice]

what does capping mean

[safe cradle]

to pop a cap means to kill, right?

[fathom ice]

oh

idk

so tk'ing u mean?

[grizzled patrol]

never heard of that

[safe cradle]

to be fair I've no idea if capping is the correct form

google "pop a cap meaning"

[grizzled patrol]

Green's Dictionary of Slang defines "pop a cap" as: to fire a weapon; to shoot someone. In recent uses, the slang meaning is clear, and often extended to "pop a cap (in somebody's ass)."

damm

[safe cradle]

[digital mural]

wtf

[grizzled patrol]

omg to pop a cap refers to the fucking flintlock pistols.

me and 3 other skallywags are clearing R4A2

[stuck ravine]

if you've ever heard of someone getting "capped"

that's the thing

[safe cradle]

duh guess what's in the Cargo crates

[grizzled patrol]

rum

[safe cradle]

Schaeffer's gold

Rum is inside the HSU

[grizzled patrol]

lol

[safe cradle]

Disable_life_support is to make your ship a ghost ship

you better believe in ||dead games||, we're in one

[grizzled patrol]

Only the skeleton crew of the players is left

[stuck ravine]

hydrostasis actually with alcohol instead of water?

[safe cradle]

to get rid of infection

[grizzled patrol]

you are the one being marinated

[digital mural]

hot

[stuck ravine]

real

[grizzled patrol]

cover yourself in gasoline and step into the HSU

NOW

[digital mural]

you want me to be oiled up for you?

damn

[stuck ravine]

truly a gtfo-related-question

[digital mural]

i saw malefic typing and then he stopped

💀

[grizzled patrol]

for legal reasons my lawyer has advised me not to post the joke

[uneven kiln]

4. watched and subscribed to the D4RKEVA Youtube Channel

[stuck ravine]

paid actor

smh

what if i were to buy an HSU off temu

[grizzled patrol]

It will come with a free snack

[stuck ravine]

don't they already do that

[sudden nexus]

the half baked pmom in my hsu 😋

i would eat nightmare babies like popcorn

[lone oracle]

Me and my friends have a problem with the security doors one of my friends can't see the line that goes towards the security scan? Does anyone know why this could happen?

[tardy ingot]

typically its due to desync

(aka they arent host and their connection isnt good)

so lines dont appear or move delayed

[burnt inlet]

I think this might be the AMD driver issue @tardy ingot?

[tardy ingot]

could be

driver related issues are above my knowledgegrade

[burnt inlet]

@lone oracle they on the newest amd driver?

[lone oracle]

he does have a amd grafikcard

[lone oracle]

yes he is

[burnt inlet]

Yea it’s the AMD driver

Rollback by one and you should be fine with same ish performance

(I had the same issue)

[lone oracle]

so just one update back and it should work?

[civic wave]

yeah, if you're using an RX 70 series card you'll want to "update" (rollback) to a driver dated before April 2025 and it should work
i'm using the driver/software dated to 2024-12-05 from the AMD website

[static roost]

there seems to be some conflicting information on rewards for clearing secondary sectors, some people are saying they'll give you an extra cosmetic and some are saying otherwise, can anyone corroborate?

[digital mural]

You don't get anything

You USED to get cosmetics back in OG R6

That was like
4 years ago

[static roost]

ouch, alright thanks for the confirmation

[uneven kiln]

They really should have kept that for alt R6 tbh

Offhand does anyone know all Scaling Error Alarms in the game? Defined as ones that add more enemies over time and aren’t tied to Reactor waves, so R2E1, R3C1….

[frail heart]

Does r8b4 count

[fathom ice]

doesn't r4a2 scales

i'm a pub iidr

[frail heart]

Which level is that

[fathom ice]

it's like 2 cryos

main

and then error ov

and hsu sec

[frail heart]

Oh yeah

I prolly have like 1 clear on PE

[fathom ice]

same

[frail heart]

I should get 10 clears on every level

[fathom ice]

ohhhh

he's cooking

I think r5c3 scales

cuz it feels like so much

[frail heart]

Yeah but like idk if he also means extracts

[fathom ice]

isn't it on datasphere grab

like it changes

and ramps up

2 or something giants on main are static I think

[tardy ingot]

3 giants for main error

It then changes

It basically instaspawn caps anyway iirc

R8B4 ramps
R3C1 ramps

R4A2ovl error doesnt afaik, but it spawns super quick (every 15 seconds)

[fathom ice]

aw

mb

[granite flume]

If I’ve already done main and secondary I don’t need to do secondary again right?

[civic wave]

in what regard?

[granite flume]

Reading the run down to get overload

[placid sky]

if u want pe

u need to do sec and ov

[civic wave]

if you want prisoner efficiency, you have to do all 3 objectives in the same run

[granite flume]

Re-doing

[civic wave]

so you would need to do secondary again

[granite flume]

dam

[civic wave]

in that specific run

else you could go for a main and ovl clear only and end up with [2,1,1,0]

[granite flume]

So imma end up with [2,2,1,0] ?

[wheat gate]

yea

[civic wave]

if you do all in one run

you will end up with [2,2,1,1]

[wheat gate]

where are you at now?

[granite flume]

I have the bulkhead key for zone 241 so that I can have the stuff from that room and the extra key so I can get to zone 112

[wheat gate]

if you're at [1,1,0,0]
then u can be at [2,2,1,1] by doing all objectives
or [2,1,1,0] if u only do overload

[granite flume]

Does overload make the rundown harder or is it only for that one room?

[wheat gate]

what level?

[placid sky]

ur overload adds an error alarm

[wheat gate]

u can look it up on wiki

[placid sky]

so you'll have 3 strikers every 15 seconds spawning up ur ass

like in r2c2

[granite flume]

And I mean as a whole so after doing the overload is it gonna make it hard for me to do secondary?

[placid sky]

in this case

yes

[granite flume]

r4a2

[placid sky]

cuz u have to do secondary with error alarm

[granite flume]

fug

I mean it’s doable

I’ll do it

[wheat gate]

oh yea that error iirc is kinda annoying cos its so fast

u gotta rush once it starts cos u'll basically never have any down time after

[granite flume]

yea i ran out of ammo, all the bots died, and i went down fighting a giant with my hammer

10/10 would GTFO again

[dusty basalt]

I have +76% special ammo from my boosters, but my scattergun is only at the default maximum of 16 bullets

This a know bug with boosters or the scattergun?

[fathom ice]

76% from 57% starting ammo is 43%

so ure supposed to be at 100%

which u are

[dusty basalt]

The ammo boosters are only for starting ammo?

[uneven kiln]

Yep

[dusty basalt]

that's garbage :o

[wheat gate]

yea lol it reads like it should increase ur max ammo

[uneven kiln]

If it increased max ammo, i would just run sawed off and hel rifle every single mission

[wheat gate]

yea after playing the game for a while i agree max ammo would be pretty busted

especially on scatter lol

but it is kinda dissapointing that u get initial ammo only, sometimes for a negative that would actively harm you not just initially but for the entire mission

would maybe feel more fair if there were only initial downside booster conditions, like start at 20% hp, start at 50% infection, start with no ammo, etc

[digital mural]

50% main ammo booster
But
You start without ammo

[wheat gate]

could b 50% main ammo but start with no special ammo i guess

thats actually just bad

nvm

[candid vault]

I am a Japanese player and using ChatGPT to help with translation.
In my game of GTFO, zones like R2C2 and zone 128 of R3A2 are filled with toxic fog up to the ceiling.
However, in most YouTube walkthrough videos, the fog only reaches waist height, and players don't take damage as long as they're standing.
Is this a bug, or is there some kind of mechanic that reduces the height of the toxic fog?

[ocean spindle]

In R3A2, putting cells into the generators lowers the fog by a set amount

in R2C2, the fog does not move, it is always the same height

[digital mural]

Surtr pfp spotted

[candid vault]

Thank you. I’ll give it a try.
Regarding R2C2, is it correct that the entire area is constantly filled with toxic fog, and you have to survive while stuck at 1% HP, all while searching for 7 ID cards during waves of enemies?

[ocean spindle]

Only one zone is filled entirely with fog (technically a couple more zones have fog, but it is not that invasive). There's 2 Fog Turbines in the zone you grab the cell in.

[barren spruce]

does anybody have any sort of "average clear time" list for levels? after an unexpectedly lengthy level my group just did tonight, i'm wanting to get a list so that we can better plan around the long levels

[tiny wyvern]

...Well, it might better for you to just ask here how long a specific level would last

Average clear times for this game are not very helpful

[digital mural]

1 hour and a half to 2 hours for most of the levels as a first time clear

E tiers can go beyond 2-3 hours for first time clears

[barren spruce]

well i meant per-level averages

like "R3C2 takes such and such" "R4A1 takes this and that"

[digital mural]

...

I mean

[barren spruce]

in response to golden's thing

[digital mural]

We are NOT going to say all 83 levels

It really depends

[barren spruce]

fair enough

[digital mural]

Not all A tiers will take the same

And such

Pretty much what I said is the average

[digital mural]

.

[tiny wyvern]

If you ask a specific level we can give it to you

[barren spruce]

i just figured it might've been data that got collated onto a spreadsheet at some point admittedly

[digital mural]

No

[ocean spindle]

theres too much variance

[digital mural]

There's a lot of factors that play on how much a team takes

[barren spruce]

fair

[tiny wyvern]

Like there are 10 hour lobbies out there

[digital mural]

I have seen first timers take 40mins on R2D1

And people that take 3hr +

[barren spruce]

mm, fun.

[tiny wyvern]

Ok now that I'm done with mon hun
Which rundown are you on rn?

[barren spruce]

well, for the sake of planning next week's session (as we play every friday if we can help it), what about r2d2 and r2e1? those're the next ones we have, and if we can help it we usually do two levels a week

[digital mural]

R2D2 easy 1 hour and a half on average for a single successful attempt

[ocean spindle]

r2d2 issue is not being long is being hard

[digital mural]

R2E1 can take up to 2 hours with dozens of failed attempts

[ocean spindle]

like really hard

[tiny wyvern]

R2D2 is a one and (a half if you screw something up) hour reactor that will see you fail due to length and endurance

R2E1 is your first E mission

Where knowing the time is basically pointless

Bcs you're going to take hours

[digital mural]

E1 will be the first level you will ACTUALLY struggle

[ocean spindle]

thats why i said in the other channel "tim to abandon r2" cuz d2 and e1 are hard

a big step up

[tiny wyvern]

E1 on a good day for pubs (assuming at least one competent vet) takes hour and a little more

E1 on a bad day will not let you leave

[barren spruce]

righto, so we'll... maybe manage to get through d2, then spend a bit of time learning the start of e1

next week anyway

[digital mural]

I would recommend to skip to R3

[tiny wyvern]

Then you'll get to R3, with varying times between 30 min quickies and 1 hour rushes

[barren spruce]

not happening, we're also going for achievements like all-logs

[tiny wyvern]

Which is significantly easier

[ocean spindle]

the r2e1 current strat in the wiki is "dont"

[digital mural]

Well, the level is not going to run away

You can always go back

[tiny wyvern]

Good luck then
And if you burn out we warned you
Rather furiously

[patent mulch]

it was pain when i did it, i added that

[ocean spindle]

out of 83 levels is in the top 10 of difficulty

[tiny wyvern]

If you need tips we can give you

[digital mural]

LOL

[tiny wyvern]

If you want to know strats we can help you make them

[digital mural]

Bring 3 sentries and a bio

Ez game

And 4 hel shotguns

[tiny wyvern]

(gets lost in fog)

[ocean spindle]

me when i have to reload

[tiny wyvern]

(Hybrid hell)

[patent mulch]

hel pp

[tiny wyvern]

4 MG
(You can't shoot scout)

[digital mural]

Tickle the scout

[tiny wyvern]

Screams and ends your runs instantly

[barren spruce]

will note by the way, i... think we have all played the game before, in different rundowns, so we do have experience already at least 😄

[ocean spindle]

well uh still

[tiny wyvern]

Doesn't really matter
D2 E1 is a hustle

[barren spruce]

i accept the warning

[ocean spindle]

E1s are hard even for people with a lot of experience

[tiny wyvern]

Most of the things you have done are chores

[barren spruce]

i'm just clarifying that we're not entirely without legs at the least

[tiny wyvern]

If you went by chronologically

[ocean spindle]

also morre warning, the ending is by far the hardest part so truly if u feel burnt out, take that into account

[tiny wyvern]

Well you beat D1 you have some kick at least

(at least, we assume you have)

[digital mural]

When the last 10 minutes are harder than the 2 hours of pain

[tiny wyvern]

POV: you died on extract on R2D2 and have to start all over again

Fun

[patent mulch]

me when each session is just trying the level twice, easily doing the first part then getting absolutely mauled at the second half

[tiny wyvern]

(that happened to me twice I hate this game)

[digital mural]

Tbh if you go fast you can do it in like 40 minutes

And not an hour and a half

[tiny wyvern]

Yeah
Guess how good at the game i am

Not very

[digital mural]

I always thought you were pretty good

[ocean spindle]

im not speedrunnin

:b

[tiny wyvern]

Not really I use machine pis and can still run out of ammo for some reason

I can help with beginner levels

And sometimes help with carries

[digital mural]

You are pissing too hard then

[tiny wyvern]

But not much else

[tiny wyvern]

true

[ocean spindle]

:[

[tiny wyvern]

Want some tips for R2D2 cake or are you good

[tiny wyvern]

slendo I haven't done a carry in ages

My legs are too brittle for that

[ocean spindle]

i will spray u if u do it

[patent mulch]

my general skill level when i pub is so bad compared to my skill level when im with my team lol

[barren spruce]

we are going in rundown order, yeh. we did manage to clear the level on our second attempt, first one died in... i think it's 110? the room immediately past the first room's large fog pit you must go through, thanks to double-scout screech from a fog-enemy getting angry when we failed to see it

[digital mural]

Don't fear to pull rooms

[tiny wyvern]

(note: check for scouts first

[digital mural]

Theres 2 scouts? Shoot one, pull back, mine door

If you see you can't stealth

[tiny wyvern]

Especially on R2D2)

[barren spruce]

oh we checked for the scouts, had 'em pinged and all, i was trying to work toward them for stealth

[tiny wyvern]

There's a FUNNY room somewhere in R2D2

[digital mural]

If you see stealth is extremely risky avoid it

Sometimes its not the best option

[tiny wyvern]

Especially true for R2D2 btw

There are rooms where shooting scout and pulling is advicable

[barren spruce]

but yeh tonight was... a high-energy night, to say the least; we did the last c-tier level then d1 so that was back-to-back stakes, hah

[tiny wyvern]

||(Flashbacks to scout room pulling bcs a newbie thought there was only one scout)|| spoilers

[digital mural]

||always blame the bio guy||

[tiny wyvern]

Honestly a two hour clear for the puzzle level (R2D1) isn't bad

You might just make it through R2D2 if you can keep your head together

(And your team together, that will be rather important later on)

[digital mural]

It's pretty normal for a lot of newbies

[barren spruce]

i'm just glad that we actively chose to ||get decon opened||

[tiny wyvern]

Disinfect route is fine enough

[digital mural]

Also, when there's fog try to have a "certified fog diver"

[tiny wyvern]

You can also do five doors and get the extra room

R2D1 is fun for the puzzle elements, not so much for the scraping by

[digital mural]

HMMMMMMM
I love cells

yummy

[tiny wyvern]

Is there anything you'd like to know about R2D1 tho

since you completed it

[barren spruce]

yeah i was down to 3 bullets left in my sniper for d1

[ocean spindle]

starts explaining every detail of enemy density in r2d1 along with every single area and zone along with what they could contain

[digital mural]

Sniper is not really recommended

For 99% of the game

[tiny wyvern]

Sniper on R2D1 is a little bit scary

[barren spruce]

i figured it would be good to handle the large enemies

[prime cliff]

scattergun exists

[tiny wyvern]

You can one shot them in the head

If they have a head anyways

[digital mural]

Hel rifle, scattergun, burst cannon, shotgun exist

[prime cliff]

or if you hate busted weapons run burst cannon

[digital mural]

Even high cal does it pretty good

[tiny wyvern]

don't bring sniper to R2D2 btw unless your team is good at clearing crowds and you can keep ammo balance

And most of the E levels eat you alive enough that sniper becomes a weird pick

On C tiers and below sniper's fine

[barren spruce]

got it, so become Not The Sniper Guy

[tiny wyvern]

You'll find plenty of ammo

And usually can find enough things with heads to shoot

Not everything in this game has heads though
And they love not dying to sniper

There's some better sniper adjacent picks
Hel rifle and hel gun for good crowdclear
(hel rifle bodyshots normals with pierce, hel gun headshots normals with pierce, both does decent against limb breaks)

Shotguns are pretty cool
(Sawed off can four tap a giant)
(It's busted)

[ocean spindle]

moreso busted cuz its a main

lotta guns have 30 dmg

[tiny wyvern]

yea

[digital mural]

Bullpup?

[tiny wyvern]

no

not even as a joke

[ocean spindle]

ok malefic

[digital mural]

@grizzled patrol

[ocean spindle]

ok pingerer

[digital mural]

ok cutie

[ocean spindle]

ok sweetie

[digital mural]

[ocean spindle]

:[

pat

[patent mulch]

slendo you were already in the process or something of doing the r7b3 wiki page right

[ocean spindle]

not rn but yes eventually

[patent mulch]

ok ima skip it

[ocean spindle]

or

if u wanna do it

i mean i can work on r5

[barren spruce]

been testing my hand at various primaries, i liked the van auken during d1

[ocean spindle]

theres like 2 van aukens

[digital mural]

Guns have common names

[ocean spindle]

use the nornal name the gun has ksks

[digital mural]

Van aukens are manufacturer names

Multiple guns have those manufacturer names

[patent mulch]

machinegun

[ocean spindle]

i love the bataldo!

[digital mural]

There's buckland, drekker, bataldo, etc

[ocean spindle]

both bad next

[barren spruce]

the 4-bullet burster

[digital mural]

Carbine

[patent mulch]

carbine

damn im too slow

[ocean spindle]

carbine

[digital mural]

Slendo?

[barren spruce]

carbine

[ocean spindle]

carabina

[barren spruce]

😛

[ocean spindle]

:]

its nice

[patent mulch]

Van Auken CAB F4

[ocean spindle]

i hate carbines design

but as a gun

its gaming

[digital mural]

Bro

[ocean spindle]

fuck the carbine sight

[digital mural]

Wtf

[ocean spindle]

i hate it so much

its bad

[digital mural]

You are like those people that like Slug sight right?

[burnt inlet]

Did I miss someone using the best gun in the game (sniper)?

[ocean spindle]

yes cuz it has a good color

its not brown

[burnt inlet]

And mg?

[patent mulch]

i dont like burst weapons at all (or auto unless it's hel pp)

[digital mural]

we love the pp

[ocean spindle]

ok hates the combat shotgun

hates hel shottie

such taste smh

[barren spruce]

the big boon to it is that it does decent damage and it barely has kickback in its shots

[ocean spindle]

decent damage [two bursts a small]

[barren spruce]

i swear i was one-bursting with headshots

[ocean spindle]

maybe u were depends on if ur client

[barren spruce]

i was lobby-host

[patent mulch]

client prob

[ocean spindle]

oh

idk

[digital mural]

Hm

[ocean spindle]

maybe?

[patent mulch]

damage from other sources?

[ocean spindle]

maybe the burst is just fast enough to oneshot

[barren spruce]

maybe it was from having one of the modifiers for main damage, dunno how big a difference 18% is

[ocean spindle]

but i swear burst rifle cant do that unless ur client

[digital mural]

The difference is 18%+ damage

[ocean spindle]

i mean not so much about the individual bullet dmg, but rather hitting 4 bullets without the head stopping to take dmg cuz it breaks

idk shenanigans

if ur onebursting thats just nice

better for u

[burnt inlet]

18% is 18% last time I checked, back in 1987 it was 30% tho so maybe it’s changed again

[barren spruce]

i swear, both of you

[ocean spindle]

teehee

[barren spruce]

thank you for the actual response slendo

[burnt inlet]

Just wait till you meet malefic lol

[ocean spindle]

carbines 9.5 so abouttttttt 18 percent is 2 dmg? lil less

[burnt inlet]

Anyways uhhh I’d suggest the humble hel rifle instead of sniper

[patent mulch]

malefic would say burst pistol good

[ocean spindle]

1.8 or so

[digital mural]

He would recommend bullpup 💀

[barren spruce]

yeah i'll try hel rifle next time instead

[ocean spindle]

hel rifle my beloved except when i play r2b2 then i play revo

why? yes

[burnt inlet]

Try to use two or more objects to funnel

[ocean spindle]

i decided

i took decision

[barren spruce]

i tossed it generally in the same 'sniper' category i will admit given the high-damage aspect

[ocean spindle]

grahhhh

i no like when people say "the snipers" t

theres only one sniper

the sniper

[[Sniper]]

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Sniper

[digital mural]

Slendi is crashing out

[ocean spindle]

:[

it always happeeeens

[digital mural]

Same way I crash out when someone calls sleepers zombies

[ocean spindle]

rifle is not sniper

[digital mural]

[ocean spindle]

i die

i cry

people shove the hel rifle away so fast cuz of that

[digital mural]

Remember guys
A precision rifle and a sniper are different

[burnt inlet]

I caught like four or five chargers in one shot today during my R4D2 run

[ocean spindle]

cries in rifle category

[digital mural]

You can catch Deez too

[burnt inlet]

Can I L16U0-BA1L5 too?

[ocean spindle]

no that my job

[digital mural]

Kaiser already does that

And Slendo

[burnt inlet]

Since when was less better

[ocean spindle]

i would b so bad tbh i have such a terrible gag reflex
thank god the boy im tryin to date is trans he would b so disappointed

[burnt inlet]

🗣️🔥

[barren spruce]

i mean i didn't shove the hel rifle away, i've been testin' out the different one-tapper specials to see what worked best for me

[burnt inlet]

It’s more 0.5 tapper

[ocean spindle]

no i dont mean specifically u its just a thing i see a lot

[barren spruce]

fair enough

[ocean spindle]

like "the snipers" and people just go for the worst one always and its like

GRAH

pain

but aaaa

[barren spruce]

wait the 10 less damage is that big a gamechanger, TT?

[digital mural]

Slendo lore 🔥

[burnt inlet]

I dunno don’t ask me lmao

[ocean spindle]

uhhh sniper what it does is have a huge big ass prec multi

[burnt inlet]

But na not really

[ocean spindle]

a lot of precision damage

40 turns into 120 dmg forr a big

in the head

thats why if u bodyshot u neeed 3 shots

[burnt inlet]

Cuz it’s not dmg that matters but instead kills/refill

[ocean spindle]

:D wish me luck i wanna kiss that boy so bad

[barren spruce]

eesh

[ocean spindle]

guns r hard :3

many staats

[digital mural]

Good luck 🫡

[ocean spindle]

for examaple hel rifle u shouldnt aim for the head

[barren spruce]

one of the others made a compiled spreadsheet of the different stats

[ocean spindle]

it has an ass prec multi

[ocean spindle]

:D

[burnt inlet]

Don’t come back until you’ve accomplished your mission soldier, or do idk I’m not in the army

[ocean spindle]

but i like being here :[

[burnt inlet]

Then come back

[ocean spindle]

theres a couple yeh ksks

[ocean spindle]

:D

[burnt inlet]

Only as secondary objective

[ocean spindle]

D:

[digital mural]

Tru has every single spreadsheet for this game

[burnt inlet]

Primary: kiss that mf, secondary: be in here, overload: don’t shower

[burnt inlet]

Tru

Also he’s cracked at snipur but he claims he isn’t

[ocean spindle]

randomkenny with a spreadsheet of a week long streaam of 10c calculating the time wasted on not skipping the intro

🔥

[digital mural]

💀

That's real?

[ocean spindle]

yes :D

probs somewhere in evas discord

[digital mural]

Oh my fucking god

Can I see it

Alright brb

[ocean spindle]

it was a lot of time i remember

no reemember how much exactly

but a lot

it was funny

i should add that into my video maybe

[tardy ingot]

R3C2 takes about 0 minutes on average

Im sad I wasnt here when you asked this.

[tardy ingot]

Well
No

RandomKenny has more
We just fuse the 2 australians and we get the truRandom for all spreadsheets

[tiny wyvern]

TruRandom

That sounds nice

[crystal blaze]

It would actually be TruKenny

Or Random0067

[frail heart]

No

RandomTru

[hoary horizon]

TruDom

[burnt inlet]

How long does R3E1 take?

[tardy ingot]

never played

[burnt inlet]

Damn

[wet bear]

Big mistake, R3E1 is a banger

[burnt inlet]

🗣️🔥

[crystal blaze]

R3E1 is arguably more difficult than R1E1

I fucking hate the Tank, P-mom, Dog error alarm

[fathom ice]

sounds like r7d1

[tardy ingot]

pmom in r7d1

[fathom ice]

unironically would've been better than two moms

[prime musk]

team
2 pmoms

[tardy ingot]

Reminder that r7d1 was the „mom intro“ for main only play (a bad one since you likely wont even see one, but still)

R7 enemy intros are so bad man

Aside from snatcher

[ocean spindle]

hey
shadow intro in b2 is kinda goated

its the second best shadow intro

[tardy ingot]

technically D1 is the shadow intro

B2 for shadows is „ok“

2 alarms into an actual zone with them.

[digital mural]

There's a mom in D1?

[ocean spindle]

it trains u :3
but its like kinda cinematic and cool

first the shadow alarm, then alarm with big shadows

then sleeping ones

[prime musk]

eva the first alarm in 7b2 with shadows is a great intro imo
dark tile -> new enemy scream -> new enemy
that's pretty good i think

[fathom ice]

does c3 counts as a tank intro then

[ocean spindle]

in theee second lowering alarm section

[tardy ingot]

Checkpoint side to lower charger alarm
And can spawn as punishment during init sequences if failed

[digital mural]

I really don't remember that

Wtf

[ocean spindle]

u know how to lower the second X to a V, u gotta like go get a key in either mom or tank zone, and then go through a zone with chharger scouts

lots

[tardy ingot]

Its similar to r1d1 in that way yea

B2 sec might be a bad objective design wise but it introduces shadows decently well. (Tho honestly, I think thats more cuz shadow intros suck ass in this game)

[burnt inlet]

What was the level with a snatcher in secondary (which also turns off the lights) and a mom in overload (might’ve been swapped)? That snatcher intro was also good imo

[fathom ice]

r5a2

[tardy ingot]

Because its a 50/50 between mom and tank

And then you still likely wont meet mom in punishment waves

[tardy ingot]

R5A2sec

[burnt inlet]

Just one enemy

[fathom ice]

you have 2 scouts in bhk room !

[ocean spindle]

iiii think most intros do when its not their rundown
like moms in r4, moms in r6 kinda, in r7...
tanks in everything thaats not r4 and r6
chargers... everywhere thats not r1 pretty much, maybe r3?

[fathom ice]

threatening enemy

[tardy ingot]

R7 intros are honestly so bad lol

A1 - giants/smalls etc, basic
B1 - scouts (good), flyers (???)
B2 - hybrids (lol)
C1 - snatcher (actually rly good)
C3 - charger scout ?? (Before chargers btw), tank
D1 - chargers, shadows, mom
D2 - shadow giants, bbcs, pmom
E1 - pablo, big flyer

[burnt inlet]

~~From a diff perspective 😏 ~~

[ocean spindle]

pablo intro is really good tho

wdym

[digital mural]

Ah, I'm pretty sure i just did the full second alarm

I didn't lower it

[ocean spindle]

also shadow giants in b2, second alarm

[ocean spindle]

brah

[digital mural]

The alarm isn't that bad

[tardy ingot]

mom in r6 is pretty decent imo
In r7 its awful ye
3 is great, 5 is also not bad, if kinda fucked lol

[ocean spindle]

tbh doing it normally is kinda easy :b u just hold like outside and kill the overload error if u did ov

[ocean spindle]

thats wat i mean by "outside their rundown" like outside the first intro, cuz mom in r3 is goated intro

but r6 i think its abbit sloppy

like u just die

[tardy ingot]

Tank is decent in r4 (honestly d2 way wouldve been better)
Good in R6

Chargers: good in r1, r3. Good in R4. In r5 its just there-ish. R6 intro is decent aswell, albeit late
R7 is again, ass

[digital mural]

Kraken intro> everything else

[tardy ingot]

Kraken intro in r6 is genuinely peak

But unfair cuz it appears 3 times (4 with a sneakpeek) only
Similarly to pablo in that way (twice)

[ocean spindle]

in r4 wasnt their introoo like c3 or d1, or am i misremembering

[tardy ingot]

C3

[ocean spindle]

so why good in c3 ksks

they are just there whats good about that intro

[digital mural]

Actually 5 times but we only fight it 3

[tardy ingot]

Show up alone
Alarm of only them right after

its not great

but good imo compared to say r7

[ocean spindle]

id argue its not good theres no buildup no suspense no nothing

[tardy ingot]

5?

[ocean spindle]

r7 is worse but r4 is bad

[tardy ingot]

what

[digital mural]

R8B2

[tardy ingot]

You kill it there

[tiny wyvern]

Hey look there's a tank let's kill it and then move on
...Oh wait

[ocean spindle]

it doesnt count 2 times

[tardy ingot]

unless you split b2 into main and sec

[ocean spindle]

no i think they mean the first tp

[digital mural]

Which was the level where you saw a bunch of them floating

[ocean spindle]

where u see 5 krakens

[tardy ingot]

I know

[digital mural]

It was B2 right

[tardy ingot]

yes

[ocean spindle]

that- b2 counts as one idk

:b

[tardy ingot]

But you kill one in r8b2 sec

[digital mural]

Ah

[tiny wyvern]

There's 3 krakens, R6D1, R8B2 sec and the unspeakable one

[tardy ingot]

And r8b2 is one of the „not rly an optional you do on top“

[digital mural]

Yeah fair

[tardy ingot]

either way
R7 intros are actually bad

R8 I can excuse due to its design philosophy

[ocean spindle]

only after 10 months i understood what the unspeakable one did different by "being morre aggresivee"

:]

[tardy ingot]

but r7 was a standalone

[tiny wyvern]

oh right any tips for R7d2 pubs

I know how to hold but I can't dive

[tardy ingot]

well

[ocean spindle]

uh idk send one in to dive make them learn

d2 is a learning level

[tardy ingot]

holding is rly only „tough“ when boss spawns

[ocean spindle]

u gotta die to know how to do

[tardy ingot]

Hence you typically have pubs deal with that

or send 3 pubs into mom/tank (whatever you think isnt gonna kill them)

tank is more chill to play during waves since you can delay it and vibe

But mom is easier to nuke especially for extract run

[ocean spindle]

now lets do a cool question 🎉 whats the best intro for an enemy in the game

[tiny wyvern]

nightmare mom

[prime musk]

ngl i think zoomer scout intro is pretty peak even though it's very minor

[ocean spindle]

so true

[tiny wyvern]

Of all seriousness I enjoy meatballs a lot

[ocean spindle]

tbh flyers do might have the best into in r6

u get 2 levels of buildup

[tardy ingot]

Actual intro
Rundown intro
Or would be best intro

[ocean spindle]

whatever u feel like, just the best one

can be a different one from the initial one

[tiny wyvern]

And then you get to experience them ruin your life chase you down

[ocean spindle]

i i kinda wish they spawned in ur face ngl

:3

cuz u can outrun them a lot

[tardy ingot]

i mean toptier is kraken and megamom

Flyer intro in r6b1 was rly nice

snatcher in r7c1

Mom in r3b2

Tank wouldve been sick in r4d2 (sleeping)

Tank active in r6d1 is handled well

[tiny wyvern]

I wonder if scout could've had an intro

[ocean spindle]

i rlly like the nightmare intro cuz not only is it very cinematic with also 2 levels of buildup, but u dont get to dimension how much of a threat they really are
u get some alarms with them and some sleeping room but it is not horrid until later

[tardy ingot]

it does

[ocean spindle]

:D

[tardy ingot]

R1a1

[ocean spindle]

r6b1 scout intro is kinda good

i like it more in the alt

with the lights off

[tiny wyvern]

But it just gets thrown into your face

[tardy ingot]

R6B1 scout intro only misses 2 scouts in 1 room

R7B1 has the perfect escalation

[ocean spindle]

trues

[tardy ingot]

1 scout - no enemies
1 scout - enemies
2 scouts - enemies

[ocean spindle]

missed making the bridge a r2b2 scout room

[tardy ingot]

Potato intro

Clearly peak

(sadge)