gtfo-related-questions

[ocean spindle]

so u kno that might be why u strugglin smkdms

[pseudo coral]

But its also super easy to kill 2 that are close to each other and even 3 with a knife

[digital mural]

Stream?

[rapid warren]

i swore it was a thing

[wheat gate]

for some shadow heavy levels u want to take two bios even

[ocean spindle]

and when u didnt know there was a scout next to u

or in combat

[pseudo coral]

Nah slendo the reason is because the shadow enemies thats it

[ocean spindle]

fog areas, dark areas

[rapid warren]

?

[digital mural]

Bio can ping enemies in combat and you can see how many and where they come from

[pseudo coral]

A scout? Like the tendril guy

[rapid warren]

i gotta hop off the zaza

[ocean spindle]

yes

[wheat gate]

yea fog areas r also annoying if no bio
they might as well be shadows bcos u just cant see anything

[ocean spindle]

r1d1 has 3 in total 2 in the same room u wanna know where they are

[pseudo coral]

The tendril guys are super easy to pinpoint when using audio

And also by just sheer using ur eyes

[ocean spindle]

u dont need a fourtth tool anyway, a fourth sentry is unneeded cuz it just sucks up tool without doing a lot more

[ocean spindle]

me when the extreme fog u see later

fog so dense u cannot, see

[digital mural]

You are still pretty early in the game

[ocean spindle]

r7b2 my beloved

[pseudo coral]

Yeah thats why we havent used the bio

[fathom ice]

u always want bio

[pseudo coral]

Dog OMG

[fathom ice]

ure dog

[ocean spindle]

woof

[wheat gate]

its good that u can play without the bio tho, thats very good skill to develop

[digital mural]

Cats

[pseudo coral]

the the first rundown u dont need it

[digital mural]

You kinda do

R1D1

R1C1

[pseudo coral]

Other than the final level

[fathom ice]

good luck dealing with shadow enemies !

[pseudo coral]

D1 yes

[rapid warren]

4 bios

[ocean spindle]

u dont need sentries if u want but its pretty pogchamp

[rapid warren]

run 4 bios

op

[ocean spindle]

[pseudo coral]

C1 was easy as soon as u understsnd where to hold

[digital mural]

Chat
Does he know

[rapid warren]

get that achievement cuh

[wheat gate]

r1c1 bio is useful for sniper synergy i guess

[ocean spindle]

chat can we can we bio together

blushes

[rapid warren]

🤨

🎣

[digital mural]

Gay

[ocean spindle]

D:

[pseudo coral]

Def gay

[ocean spindle]

yes

🏳️‍🌈

[pseudo coral]

Nah i believe that bio is good for fog but im jus sayin for not super fogged up bullshit u dont need it

[wheat gate]

if u scan in the same circle ur gay, the warden told me so

[ocean spindle]

proudly bisexual going to the pride parade this june

[pseudo coral]

Its super essy to just flash the room rq then continue

[digital mural]

It makes combat and stealth way way easier and fast

[rapid warren]

just throw the fog repeller 🗣️

[fathom ice]

did you know you can ping awake enemies with your bio !

[rapid warren]

no way

[ocean spindle]

even if not stealth, combat, check about any speedrun, they have bio ksmdk

why would speedrunnes use a bio

[pseudo coral]

U still have to maneuver through their yawns or wtv

[rapid warren]

i never ping for my teammates when im bio, cuz its mine

😠 get ur own bio

[ocean spindle]

:[ maybs i STEAL UR BIO

[pseudo coral]

Also we arent tryna speed it so

[digital mural]

Are you schizo texting again?

[rapid warren]

😨

[ocean spindle]

its an example

[rapid warren]

gold gold gold

[pseudo coral]

Yeah but when its a non foggy level u can just listen

[wheat gate]

yea its ok, bio isnt neccesary
but also u should learn why everyone thinks its so good

[rapid warren]

pattern index 661 factory new scar pattern karambit blue gem

[ocean spindle]

STOLE UR BIO

[pseudo coral]

I can tell u where and how many with just audio

[rapid warren]

🎣

stole ur fish

[digital mural]

Yeah I don't think you understand our points

[pseudo coral]

I understand why its good

[ocean spindle]

dammit

[rapid warren]

:)

[pseudo coral]

But im saying why u also dont need it occasionally

[ocean spindle]

i mean at the end play as u want but if u find urself strugglin u now kno its an option

any guide u see, u will see bio recommended

[pseudo coral]

Ive been known

[digital mural]

4 sentries is funnier tho

[wheat gate]

pronouns in bio?
wheres the ping on them?

[pseudo coral]

I just didnt know they made the sentries shoot the invisible bros

[ocean spindle]

i ping my gender

[wheat gate]

dang we have no bio ping emoji

[pseudo coral]

Nah cuz ifs so easy to hold shit down LMAO

[digital mural]

Make one

[ocean spindle]

yes we do

[pseudo coral]

thats why C1 was super easy when we figured it out

[rapid warren]

@pseudo coral wait till u find out about the shadow charger crawling tank scout

[digital mural]

You know bio makes sniper sentry shoot faster

[rapid warren]

devious

[pseudo coral]

4 sentries holding everything down

[wheat gate]

bio sniper synergy is quite good

[pseudo coral]

Eh

[ocean spindle]

sniper sentry kinda needs bio to be good tbh

its so slow if it doesnt have those pings

[pseudo coral]

If i ever find myself using sniper if deemed necessary than ill keep the bio in mind ss well

[rapid warren]

i mean u can just run sentry speed with b**sters

[digital mural]

🫃 🫃 🫃 🫃 🫃 🫃 🫃

[ocean spindle]

how bout i rice cook u how about that

[pseudo coral]

Boosters make me cream

[wheat gate]

boosters r fun somtimes

[digital mural]

Omg he said the word

[wheat gate]

for running specific builds

[digital mural]

Chat, nuke him

[wheat gate]

like sentry build is funny

melee build is also funny

[rapid warren]

😔 meta build

[digital mural]

100% res efficiency

[wheat gate]

meta is probably just full tool efficiency

way too good

[pseudo coral]

Was abt to say

Jus tool shit is so easy

[wheat gate]

but its boring

fun builds r more fun

[pseudo coral]

The cpu speed

Man said boring 😭

Jus play a dif game den

[wheat gate]

yea i think supply efficiency is kinda boring as a booster

[digital mural]

It makes the game 10x times easier

And completely makes a lot of the game trivial

[wheat gate]

its not an interesting booster

[rapid warren]

me when i see my teammate run +100% res cap

[ocean spindle]

me when i play the difficult® game and i want it to be difficult®

[wheat gate]

there couldv been so many more interesting boosters

[ocean spindle]

glowstick power

[wheat gate]

wheres the stamina booster
wheres the flashlight power boster

[rapid warren]

hell nah

[digital mural]

Shit, even 10% res efficiency can make a huge difference

[rapid warren]

stamina booster 💀

[ocean spindle]

stam boost would be brokener

[cloud fox]

I miss the terminal speed booster

My friend still has one

[wheat gate]

flashlight power booster + long range

[digital mural]

Wasn't there a glowstick damage booster or something

[rapid warren]

lmao wtf

[digital mural]

Or I'm schizo

[rapid warren]

prob

[wheat gate]

glowstick proximity is a condition

[fathom ice]

there was hacking tool

I think

as condition

[wheat gate]

u can have a main/support weapon dmg on top of glowstick proximity condition

so u probably thought of that

[digital mural]

Yeah that

Thx

[wheat gate]

that one is fun

makes u actually want to keep glowsticks on u

[pseudo coral]

Having hacking as the negative is funny lol

[wheat gate]

it is the least harmful negative
cos u can always just lock melter

[digital mural]

I can do hacks with 1 line only

It's not that hard

[pseudo coral]

1 bar to land at the end

Bro jus looks goofy 🤪

Nah cuz what if ur inbetween 3 big black dudes and u fuck it up

They all licking u cuzzo

👅

[wheat gate]

shouldv brought scatter

[pseudo coral]

Nah scatter is so good tho omg

[wheat gate]

give them the backshots before they give it to you

[pseudo coral]

Sniper jus fun ngl

[wheat gate]

just gotta click first

[rapid warren]

blud clenches his feet everytime he fires the scatter

[digital mural]

I like backshots

[digital mural]

Butthole*

[rapid warren]

yea

[pseudo coral]

Imagine scatter with 3 shots

[wheat gate]

i do that with sniper but not scatter cos i dont have to worry about aim with scatter

[digital mural]

Sniper pre nerf

:(

[rapid warren]

fr scatter needs a buff

give that shi a 30 clip mag

tf

[wheat gate]

hel scatter when

[pseudo coral]

Scatter need a damage buff with a mag buff

Devs pls

[wheat gate]

just needs hel in its name

[digital mural]

Hel gaygun

[pseudo coral]

Charging up the scatter be like

[rapid warren]

make a gun where it has a chance to not fire

🗣️

gamba

they shldve added a gun where like the longer u charge it up the more damage it does

idk

[wheat gate]

thats called a hammer

[digital mural]

That's literally

Any melee

[rapid warren]

nah ik but like in a gun form

yk

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[digital mural]

Melees are guns if you try hard enough

[wheat gate]

how long can u hold this gun down for
just hold left click for the entire level to one shot a tank at the very end

[rapid warren]

😩

[rapid warren]

nah prob not that

[wheat gate]

it would be funny tho

[digital mural]

How long to one shot Pablo

Hmmmmmmmmmm

[rapid warren]

its a log curve

for the damage over time

[wheat gate]

so ur saying it doesnt have a cap

[rapid warren]

no it just flats out

u approach a value lmao

[wheat gate]

log function does not have asymptote

smh

ur thinking of inverse

[rapid warren]

oh mb

yo im fried

😬

[wheat gate]

this is like high school level math

[digital mural]

You gambled your brain away or something?

[rapid warren]

yes

always bro

[digital mural]

Bro fuck Highschool

I don't remember anything about what I was supposed to learn

💀

[rapid warren]

sorry bro

im sorry i dont rember that

[wheat gate]

its ok i udnerstand

high school was dark times

u cast it out of your memories

[rapid warren]

fr

they shldve taught us the poker hands

😔 couldve started earlier

[wheat gate]

jus play balatro

[rapid warren]

nah

i need MONEY

[wheat gate]

but it teaches u the poker hands really well

[rapid warren]

ik how to play poker lmao

when i was in hs i didnt know how to play

[wheat gate]

yea but do u kno how to play a flush 5 of a kind

[rapid warren]

nor did ik bj

💀

wha

[digital mural]

bjs?

That's gay

[rapid warren]

do u just add the jokers

or smth

[wheat gate]

me when i win a balatro game with 4 gold foiled ace of diamonds and a stone slab as my 5th card

[rapid warren]

gen alpha brain rot

[wheat gate]

nah seriously balatro is very fun

[rapid warren]

😐

ur mad funny mr a2ass

[digital mural]

Thanks man thanks

[rapid warren]

i am currently laughing out loud

[digital mural]

It's hard being this funny

[rapid warren]

really bro

[digital mural]

Yeah

[ocean spindle]

WHO UP BALATROING THEIR YELLOW DECK

BALATRO MY BELOVEEEEED

[rapid warren]

yea its look cool

[wheat gate]

yo yellow deck is my favorite

[rapid warren]

will give it a try when i retire from gambling

👍

[wheat gate]

just like in gtfo, the bbc is very hard

the big black deck

[wheat gate]

i finished balatroing

now im busy nubbing it

nubby's number factory has the same whatever crack balatro has

[sudden nexus]

nubbin it....

[high hinge]

Any advice for completing R1C1? Just struggling and looking for any tips for a solo player?

[fathom ice]

are u with bots

.t R1C1

[uneven gulch]

Captain America: puts foot on chair "So you are having trouble with R1C1"

a reactor is ultimately 3 parts,
1 Wave Defense
2 gathering resources in between
3 getting the code into the terminal in time
If you already know how R1C1's reactor works, then its just the first two things you need, and they can go hand in hand

the most popular place to defend for many reasons is the bridge tile. the hole in the wall at the south end is a great choke point where you can get angles and focus your sentries, the bridge itself is a perfect funnel if/as you fall back, and its only about a 30 second run to the reactor terminal.

when you start looting after the shooting, you have quite a lot of resources around you to spend as the code person runs out and runs back. and on longer warm up times for the later codes, you have enough time to run forward and loot in previous areas.

when giants spawn having someone with a good weapon for bigs like hel rifle is useful (especially for hybrids) as well as saving tool by only having 2 sentries down for most waves, saving it for later waves or the waves with Hybrids (4, 6, 8).

this is definitely a 3 sentry + 1 bio tracker level, and when you learn all sentries are not created equal.
Burst is the best all-arounder.
Sniper sentry thrives with bio tracking and the long sight lines on this level.
shot gun sentry is in the game
Autosentry is in the game.

if you have a bot, they are a boss with the biotracker so give them that, and if you have three bots god go with you.

[digital mural]

Don't do solo

Play with bots

Give them a bio tracker, burst rifle and burst cannons

[high hinge]

Thanks for the advice guys. I normally play with bots but not always sure what to speck them out with.

[ocean spindle]

bots shoot on line of sight, at any range, to any enemy, and they can sometimes miss, so high range bodyshot weapons are whats best for them

burst rifle is a big ammo gun that works nice for smalls and has a lot of range, and mg same thing plus staggers giants- bc has a lot more power but bots can cancel the burst (exclusively bots), so they can use it efficiently on smalls and bigs equally despite the ammo capacity

thats the logic of the gun choices but theres some more for them too depending on what u want out of them

[digital mural]

Never give them shotguns

Never

[ocean spindle]

dak with his hackett with a pump shottie

[wild flare]

if you are newish player, dont do r1c1 with bots, too annoying

[tiny wyvern]

How's your solo bots runs going btw

[sage owl]

can i win the game what is R2D2 with bots

and learn how to do it by myself

[steep ivy]

hell

[sage owl]

what?

[steep ivy]

R2D2 with bots is hell

[wild flare]

i havent touched gtfo in like 3 weeks, my GPU died 2 weeks ago, i bought better one and now i play other games i couldnt play with old gpu xd

[sage owl]

but i dont find anyone to play the game is it possible to win tho anyway? i am smart player 😏

[tardy ingot]

R2D2 is on the very doable but „just dont“ level

You kinda are expected to be a pretty experienced player to do it with 3 bots

[steep ivy]

t. lfg

.t lfg

[sage owl]

yes?

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[steep ivy]

that one

depending on the time of day, it's easy to find people

[tiny wyvern]

Find someone that speaks your language

Which area are you in

[steep ivy]

not through discord? or like when playing they speak really quick due to the action

[tiny wyvern]

Are you doing lfg or in game matchmaking?

What language do you usally speak?

Oh well that's going to be hard

Giveme a moment

@sage owl
#hc-asia message

Korean server

Should help you find people I hope?

[sage owl]

thanks

[wild flare]

r2d2 dont need much communication tbh

[tiny wyvern]

Also usually when you speak another language with english speakers usually they believe you're badmouthing them

Most people will think that

So try not to

[tiny wyvern]

Newbies do need to communicate a lot tho

Especially with the camping/ammo strategy

(If you know how to do r2d2 you literally just camp in a corner after bridge)

[sage owl]

Well i just wonder if i can play with only bots most of the time

[tiny wyvern]

(And you'll distro ammo well)

[tiny wyvern]

Technically yes

[wild flare]

you can, but some lvls are so annoying/painful

[tiny wyvern]

There's only 2 levels you can't do with bots

BTW is the korean server still alive

[wild flare]

r2d2 definetly is under this category

[tiny wyvern]

I worry I just sent you somewhere where you won't find anyone

[sage owl]

I dont join korean server they swear alot when they gaming i am scared

[tiny wyvern]

o ok

[sage owl]

but i appericate ur help

thanks

i will try with bots and tell u how is it

my experience would be cool and good i guess

with bots

[wild flare]

you can find party in this server, just say before starting, that you are not good at english

[sage owl]

i will see how it is

[wild flare]

weeell

idk about "good" and "cool", but there are satisfaction factor, when you clear hard lvls with bots

[tiny wyvern]

(have you cleared r2d2 with bots yet dark)

(or is it still too much of a hassle)

[wild flare]

i never tried it again, but i have plans to do it

[sage owl]

if i sucess then i will be a master of the game right hehe

from newbie to a master 😱

hehe

[wild flare]

good luck

r2d2 is big jump in difficulty if you play with bots

reactor lvls in general not good if you play with bots

[sage owl]

ok

[civic furnace]

No

Don’t get infected by the bot player

[burnt inlet]

run with bots only trust

[wheat gate]

running a simple level with bots is easy enough
the problem is when u have objectives that bots cant help with

like uplinks

or item searching on a timer

[burnt inlet]

or carry objective with error 🙃

R6C2 i believe

[wheat gate]

yea lol

[wheat gate]

they just refuse to carry items if theres awake enemies

even r2 when u really want someone to carry the turbine during alarms

[burnt inlet]

they need to be picked up from before the error

/alarm or whatever

then theyll carry it

[rare solstice]

just curious, what would be these two levels? (is r2d2 part of the list or does it add to it?)

[fathom ice]

r7e1 and e2 I think

[ripe hamlet]

E2 with bots is possible

[prime musk]

7e1 and 4e1 probably what they mean

[ripe hamlet]

It’s the ones with uplink that require 2 ppl on terminals

[prime musk]

but i think both are possible but hard

you just hybrid between true solo and bot solo where necessary for kiting

[soft crater]

Avg long kite sim.

[fathom ice]

4e1 has been soloed tho

[soft crater]

But with bots?

[fathom ice]

and e2 hasn't

same with bots

[prime musk]

with seeded and perfect boosters

[fathom ice]

no without

[prime musk]

e2 with bots seems kinda free ngl
just that no one has bothered

triple sniper sentry carries hard

[fathom ice]

it is

I did one attempt and died in hub kek

[ripe hamlet]

Pretty sure I saw vid for e2 with bots

[fathom ice]

nah

there's no clears

atm

there are a bunch of attempts but no clears

[soft crater]

If there is.

[ripe hamlet]

Ic

[soft crater]

I'm curious if it is with them being able to kick and return bots or not

[prime musk]

if you pass 1st nm6 youre home free probably (assuming you find ammo in hub)

[safe cradle]

R2D2 with 3 bots is very doable

I did it

[prime musk]

at least with alarm cancel

[fathom ice]

tanks are still kinda a problem

[safe cradle]

I think who wrote that comment referred to init_sequence terminals

Which, while doable, R7D1 for example

it's kind of an RNG pain in the ass

AFAIK for R8C1 its even worse

of course, R8E2 hasnt been 3 botted AFAIK

[prime musk]

wave 2 tank dies to burst cannon and sniper sentries
wave 3 tanks you play upstairs in code 2 and it's fine

[fathom ice]

what about hub tank

[prime musk]

hub tank you can doorfuck probably

[fathom ice]

and code 1

[prime musk]

code 1 you either sentry or take 2 sentries and mine code 1 tank

[fathom ice]

kinda depends where he is

but ye

[prime musk]

regardless it's an issue of not being ran not an issue of being too hard

[fathom ice]

^

[errant dome]

lowkey i think its harder with bots tho lol

have fun not having the bots peek moms

[fathom ice]

kick them for the mom fight !

[errant dome]

at that point why even bother clearing with bots

[soft crater]

Is kicking bots banned or nah?

[fathom ice]

from what

kicking them to revive is lame

but if u just kick it's fine

[dusty basalt]

I was thinking of trying solo runs again. Try some new stuff for r1c1. I was thinking of running sawed off and combat shotty. Neither of these I normally use. Any tips for soloing reactors?

[sudden nexus]

sawed off 🤤

[dusty basalt]

Normally I run DMR and DTR

[sudden nexus]

have you tried hel gun

[dusty basalt]

Only once, felt the charge was too long, but I do like hel rifle.

[native sun]

Sawed Off + HEL Rifle + stand at back of bridge and you will have a good time

[ocean spindle]

and foam :D

jk

[steep ivy]

does sr sentry damage give a better boost than normal sentry damage?

[minor fractal]

Because it has a range limitation, and sentry damage does not.

SR is short range btw, you can hover for details

[steep ivy]

yeah, so hel-auto would benefiet?

[minor fractal]

Yeh

And shotgun sentry, but not really worthwhile

Irredeemably bad

[tardy ingot]

Me when I gamble it killing every enemy with 1 shot and no extra shors fired

[low radish]

hell yeah keep the streak going

[steep ivy]

i have learnt, no way i'm doing R2E1 with bots

[hushed pagoda]

is there any real difference between the hel shotgun and the combat shotgun? other than the fact that the latter is a special, so it carries less ammo lol

never actually used it since I prefer the pump/choke anyway

[errant dome]

very similar, biggest diff i'd say is that hel shotgun has pen, which makes it by far the strongest baby clear in the game by a wide margin

[errant dome]

also why choke mod? i'd rather have combay shotty over that tbh

[topaz anvil]

Choke mod fire homie

[hushed pagoda]

i like both tbh

some days/levels i prefer the range and faster fire, but still with the 30 dmg

[errant dome]

at that point i'd just run hel rifle

[hushed pagoda]

fair

but I do like to use different weapons, and, completely unrelated sorta, i like to use shotguns to piss one of my friends off

cuz he doesn't like shotguns in general, even outside gtfo kekw

[errant dome]

doesnt like getting close smh

also not like shotguns in gtfo is just gonna make his life harder, all the strongest weapons are shotguns xd

the only shotgun that i'd say is bad is choke mod, and even then its not the worst weapon you could pick

[hushed pagoda]

its def a preference thing, but he seems to make quite the issue out of it

which, as a friend, I think is funny to poke at

on the flipside he gets very happy when i go double revolver or [any other main]+revolver lol

[errant dome]

shrug i do know a few people like that, i think its kinda silly but hey if they dont wanna use it up to them, they're gonna be the ones that struggle from it lul

[hushed pagoda]

im more amused how

i think between me and our other 2 i have saved his ass the most, and done it with the shotguns kekw

oh if only i could run pump and big revolver tho that'd be glorious

[ocean lance]

next up he's gonna tell us his friend likes running bullpup sniper

[hushed pagoda]

okay he's not that insane

probably

hopefully

[ocean lance]

surprising

[hushed pagoda]

xd

[grizzled patrol]

honestly a goated loadout

[ocean lance]

so true

if only sniper had three mag

[grizzled patrol]

3 mag bullpup 40 mag sniper hmm

[tardy ingot]

„Carries less ammo“

1. total ammo is an awful metric since you typically care about what you get per refill (aka kills/refill)
2. combat shotgun is among the highest specials in small efficiency in the game (without hel shottys pen nearly 3 times as much as it)

[ocean spindle]

chokemod it's not bad it's overshadowed as fuck, but it's better than a lot of other options [no not just better than short rifle]

[errant dome]

short rifle/arbalist/veruta/HAR

[ocean spindle]

revo sniper

HEL GUN- jk kdmskd

[errant dome]

hard disagree

[digital mural]

If someone comes and asks
Sniper or choke?
100 % choke

[tiny wyvern]

revo snipe can work
Doesn't mean it's a fun experience but it's doable

[ocean spindle]

there's more levels than choke works better than a sniper

[tiny wyvern]

revo choke sounds a lot better tho

[fathom ice]

team

[ocean spindle]

sniper might be better than choke in some but few levels

[tiny wyvern]

yes sky

[fathom ice]

if choke would never be overshadowed

you pick it over sniper

[ocean spindle]

and over revo

[fathom ice]

otherwise it's always sniper

[digital mural]

Sorry chat, I need to use sniper in this singular sleeper

[fathom ice]

cuz u bring it for a reason choke can't do

[prime musk]

sky it's weekly weapon balance discussion in gtfo chat don't disturb

[native sun]

sniper gets better clips for quickscope montages

[fathom ice]

^

[ocean spindle]

ok fine i take it back :[

[fathom ice]

mb I just woke up

[errant dome]

i feel like everyone forgets this isnt a solo game

[prime musk]

same, same

[ocean spindle]

what, i dont solo

i never solo

[digital mural]

GTFO related questions chat*

[digital mural]

I don't solo either

[ocean spindle]

snipers still not good in the big majority of levels where choke is about the better option

choke might be bad handling a big guy cuz it has to be emptied but the flexibility it has already just makes it better for a lot of levels that are not r5d2 and stuff

[digital mural]

Also mag dumping choke mod is funny

[ocean spindle]

so true so real

[errant dome]

choke mod is mediocre at everything, sniper is niche, but excels at its niche. There is absolutely no reason to ever bring choke mod, there are situations where you want to bring sniper, and mind you, most of those lvls are among the hardest in the game.

[ocean lance]

based

[digital mural]

Didn't we had this convo already?

Like

A week ago

[errant dome]

shrug

[ocean lance]

what you want to talk about the sky?

[errant dome]

i dont read every msg\

[digital mural]

Chat we are running out of topics

[errant dome]

funny you say that when you were part of who started it

[digital mural]

True

This is what a year and a half of no content does to a person

😔

[ocean lance]

me when I refuse to play modded

[fathom ice]

did someone call me

[digital mural]

I play modded

But eh

[ocean lance]

therefore you have content

arguably better than vanilla

[digital mural]

A lot of people make decent levels but dogshit game design

[ocean spindle]

i think bad - 75% of the time vs meh at - 95% of the time
second wins

[fathom ice]

😔

[ocean lance]

sky is beautiful today

blue as fuck

[ocean spindle]

OCCLUSION GAMING

[fathom ice]

thanks

[ocean spindle]

🎉

[errant dome]

except thats not an accurate interpretation lol

cause most of the bad is piss ez lvls

[civic wave]

being blue is bad because it likely means you're cyanosed

[fathom ice]

oops

what do i do

[ocean lance]

take pills

[errant dome]

cyanosed?

[civic wave]

you didn't perfuse your tissues with oxygen

[digital mural]

Accept your fate and become a sleeper

[ocean lance]

who poisoned sky

[civic wave]

Cyanosis, when tissue goes blue because of lack of oxygen

[fathom ice]

r4e1

poisoned me

[ocean spindle]

theres a lot of harder levels in which sniper is still not useful and ezpiss levels aree still levels, im not saying choke is the "best option ever if u wanna do r5e1 duo"

[errant dome]

oh i didnt know thats what that was called, i see

[ocean lance]

it was the tanks all along

[ocean spindle]

shower

[fathom ice]

neither is sniper

[ocean lance]

machinegun is r5e1 duo load out

you kill babies

[fathom ice]

^

[ocean lance]

from moms

[fathom ice]

fr

[ocean spindle]

i just said a random level :c

[ocean lance]

you clearly don't duo r5e1

[fathom ice]

that is also true

wait I can't say that

[ocean spindle]

i no have my clear on r5e1 did u forgot

[fathom ice]

fuck

[tardy ingot]

Tru speaking the truth

[errant dome]

Never said sniper is good in every hard level (r6d4 as an example), but its either extremely good or decent in most. I consider bat to be bad, why? one of the main reasons is because knife does everything it does but better, there is literary no reason to bring a bat over a knife. Similar logic applies to choke mod.

[ocean spindle]

i think that logix is skewed cuz u can apply that to about every single weapon iin the game, like whats the point of riflee, pistol, HIGH CAL, burst rifle within that logic

[tardy ingot]

Sniper is definetly not extremely good or decent in most, thats heavily overstating/valuing it

[ocean spindle]

cuz they are weapons that are overshadowed too

[fathom ice]

ngl I'd bring sr over choke

[ocean spindle]

i mean if u want but u know which ones the better option

[tardy ingot]

I had this discussion with frosty

Choke is for sure the better gun in isolation and overall provides more value than sniper.

But sniper has legitimate reason to be picked sometimes (choke basically doesnt) and can work better as a niche pick even if not providing great value

[fathom ice]

I think sr is better

[ocean spindle]

damn

ok autoclicker

[digital mural]

Let me introduce to you, the short rifle. On paper and given to an aimbot, this is like the most broken weapon in the game but it feels like horse shot to use because to use it yo its full potential you literally need to be superhuman, able to click 20 times per second. This is where the macro comes in. You create a macro that when you hold a button, it clicks really fast, mimicking full auto. Don't go overboard with the firing speed. I set mine to fire somewhere between 5 and 10 per second, similar to the assault rifle. Then you bind that button to your most accessible mouse button.

Now you have a weapon that is the most generally ammo efficient in the game with the normal semi auto and then when you switch to full auto, it has up to the highest dps in the game, each bullet dealing more than twice of what the assault rifle does, still with a huge ammo capacity.

The only drawbacks are the somewhat hard to control recoil and half stagger, yet remember it still staggers more per bullet than the assault rifle and pretty much always staggers on heashot. Its also not super great for sniping shooters with early fall off. Deletes both strikers and giants though

[fathom ice]

^

[little pilot]

arbalist is literally better

[ocean lance]

short rifle is better without autoclicker

[fathom ice]

this is too much

[ocean spindle]

yeah i mean as a whole u can argue for sniper in the levels its good on, but the 83 levels spew out at the end that for the majority of those u are better picking choke

[fathom ice]

like you get both smalls and giant clear

and ammo econ is better than choke I think

[tardy ingot]

vs what?
Strikers? Eh maybe

Anything bigger, id just disagree

[ocean spindle]

i mean i can spam the click pretty well

[little pilot]

if u shoot at 3m range yes, but i dont think u are shooting into a giant wave at 3m

[ocean spindle]

also sr u also have to empty ur mag to kill a big

[digital mural]

Fuck it
Mag dump that giant with SR

[little pilot]

or into wave + giant at 3m

[tardy ingot]

Agree

Arbalist only rly has stagger (and better breakpoint) but less ammo, burst/dps, worse reload and a fucking charge up

[fathom ice]

I prefer having a small clear with a bonus kinda-ish giant clear

[errant dome]

Cause those weapons actually have advantages over their main competition, high cal has an extra bullet, faster reload, and better quick swap compared to hel rifle its main competition. Is hel rifle still better? oh absolutely, but the fact that high cal at least has things that its main competitor doesnt, same doesnt apply to choke mod

[fathom ice]

instead of just giant clear with awful econ

[tardy ingot]

Choke does have these things

But choke is rolecrept not just for small/charger clear. But also giant and boss clear

[digital mural]

Sky looking at the charger wave running at him:

[errant dome]

maybe we have diffrent definition of what qualfies as "decent"

[tardy ingot]

its far better boss clear than say high cal or hel rifle

[fathom ice]

I'd win

[tardy ingot]

Its my rough line for balance-ish

And sniper def is subpar rn unless the level favours it A LOT

[tardy ingot]

Nah id run*

Is what you wanted to say

[fathom ice]

trust

wait how much damage is sr again

like 5?

[tardy ingot]

4,81

[ocean spindle]

my definition for decent is the more levels it is good on, the better

[errant dome]

advantages that are irrelevant shouldnt be taken into consideration imo. Just like bat stagger is practically useless cause realistically you wont run into any of the situations where it would actually be helpful in a 4 man

[fathom ice]

hmmm

I dip

[tardy ingot]

They are only „irrelevant“ because its rolecrept multiple times over AND by the best choices

[ocean spindle]

u ranch

[little pilot]

the difference is with arbalist i am not forced to always be next to an enemy to play my gun. I can just freely take some time shoot, i dont have to worry that if i miss a few shots wave is on top of me instantly

[tardy ingot]

Bat stagger also genuinely has value

[little pilot]

i genuienly dont consider the ammo and dps issue a problem

[tardy ingot]

Tbf

Arbalist is also ass

[little pilot]

the real issue for me with arbalist is uptime

[ocean spindle]

why sr 3 meters? it has more range doesnt it?

[little pilot]

8

[ocean spindle]

so why "playing at 3 meters", i dont get it

or was it just like an exaggeration and im dummy

[little pilot]

exaggeration, but u are basically still glued to enemies to actually get that "efficiency"

my issue with short rifle is unless ur team is there to protect ur ass, u are not getting any of those benefits out of the gun

arbalist at least CAN get some damage done alone

[fathom ice]

objectively speaking

[little pilot]

also keep in mind: the ammo efficiency is almost the same. SR gets 65 bullets vs Arbalist 56. Which means SR is only more efficient into smalls.

[fathom ice]

ure not playing any of those guns anyway

[little pilot]

and it is barely

[little pilot]

i mean yea... hel gun > short rifle & arbalist in every way by a long way

[fathom ice]

ye

[ocean spindle]

well u were the one that said u preferred sr over chokemod so
NOW ALWAYS PLAY SHORT RIFLE ⚡ ⚡

[fathom ice]

rip

[little pilot]

but comparing short rifle with arbalist i'd say arbalist is better. Choke mod compared to short rifle is also pretty much always choke mod pick

[ocean spindle]

:3

[fathom ice]

maybe it's just a pref

mb

[little pilot]

if you mean in the sense of "I like doing waveclear more than bosskill" yea I get it

since waveclear on choke is at best meh

[fathom ice]

ye

[simple coral]

hello, anybody here know how to fix the damn game? For some reason I can't join my friend in his lobby and neither can he on mine

also last night, we couldn't even see each other on different lobbies but did manage to fix that issue today but still can't join each others lobbies

[civic wave]

there's several threads in #1049599987878723635 that explore some common reasons for connection issues, things to look out for would be
somebody is set to invisible on steam
player slots in the lobby are locked
VPN/other programs that do stuff to internet traffic

in the midst of lunch so can't share more

[simple coral]

we've done almost everything but nothing seems to work(well except for the part that we can now see each other on different lobbies)

[burnt inlet]

Post a thread, most of the tech support guys are there/check new threads

[civic wave]

https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/1282208770079985666 this is the thread that holds the main body of things to try, if you haven't already

[digital mural]

Make a thread in tech support

And send your logs

#bug-reporting

That happens because someone has connection issues

[tiny wyvern]

have you given up and refunded the game or am I still needed here?

[simple coral]

well alr 150 hours in so.. we ball ig

I'll post a thread in a bit

[tiny wyvern]

Usually if you can't connect to each other it's either version difference (usually you'd see it in pirated versions of the game) or ISP issues

That or router ports being weird

Once you make a thread hirnu or someone else would probably walk you through the stuff

[simple coral]

it started happening in the middle of R6D3
I was frame dropping hard(dk why) so I decided to rejoin but couldn't for like 10 mins but when I did, I was heavily desync despitte having good net that day

then after we couldn't join each others lobbies anymore and then couldn't see each other but manage to fix that

[safe cradle]

It's just pathing between the two of you going to shit I think

Reactors are notorious to make slight desync into a nightmare

[civic wave]

this is true

honestly,been so long since i've seen someone experience reactor desync that i forgot about it

[safe cradle]

I remember a week were I had that every damn reactor and nothing fixed it, nor even restarting router or resetting it to factory or calling the ISP

It just fixed itself after some time and that was it

I'm sure if ISPs gave more of a shit they'd have pinpointed the issue faster than that

[torn token]

Does bioscan booster stack if multiple players have it?

[tiny wyvern]

yes

[torn token]

Good to know. some friends and I have been stuck on R2E1 for days. With a combination of ladder cheese/supply eff. we get overrun during the 1st and 4th surge alarm

[digital mural]

ladder cheese

[torn token]

i learned of 2 spots. I know theres a spot during the 2nd surge alarm, but havent tried it yet

[digital mural]

you would get chewed by chat if there was more people in here

[ocean lance]

ladderfoamer in my chat?!?

[digital mural]

seriously tho

[ocean lance]

jk my first few hundred hours I loved ladderfoaming I get it

[digital mural]

||be careful when saying you ladder foam||

[wet bear]

They're not real people if they don't ladderfoam and hate it

[wet bear]

Everyone love it

[torn token]

noted

[digital mural]

also

if you are getting fucked and you are using supply eff something is going really really wrong

whats your loadout

[wet bear]

Get foam boosters so foam player can foam even more

[ocean lance]

four snipers

[tardy ingot]

The reason why people will be negative is that you basically just arent playing the game if you do it correctly and if you do incorrectly its way easier and better to just use sentries well

The alarms in r2e1 also arent „long“ due to long scans but primarily because the scans have to travel

So bioscanspeed booster do less than youd expect

[digital mural]

your loadout is probably bad if you are struggling that much

[tardy ingot]

Tho id just recommend skipping r2e1 for now if you are already using boosters and exploits and still heavily struggling

Come back later and wreck the level then

[torn token]

I run carbine, burst cannon. a friend ran hel shotgun and scatter, another ran machinegun and something else. and then hel revolver and something else. sentries have been burst and shotgun, though we tried hel auto to hold off the waves

[digital mural]

shotgun sentry damn

dont use it

it sucks ass

change it for another burst

[tardy ingot]

^

do this

[digital mural]

but yeah those loadouts are good enough
skip to R3 for now

[tardy ingot]

you are still veeeeery new and r2e1 is a massive massive hurdle

[digital mural]

remember guys: smashing your head against a wall is NOT learning

[tardy ingot]

gain knowledge (watch guides if necessary, theres lots in the guides and reviews channel on here or check youtube), better teamwork and generally improve

those things are best done while progressing through stuff you can actually beat

[torn token]

Funny enough, we got walled at R2D1, went to R3, went back to R2 to get to E1

[tardy ingot]

then R4 it is

[digital mural]

R4 is really fun :)

[safe cradle]

Getting good at R4B2 PE will help with R2E1

[torn token]

half of that rundown is error alarms, isnt it?

[tardy ingot]

tbf it isnt bad at all

[tardy ingot]

No

people overstate this

[torn token]

we did R4B2 PE then went back to R2E1

[digital mural]

its not that bad but some levels are just ZZZZZZZZZ

same with R5

[tardy ingot]

error alarms show up a bunch, but are typically short bits for most levels

[digital mural]

R4 and R5 only have like 2 good levels each

[tardy ingot]

Ye r4 and r5 have the 4 worst levels pretty much

[spiral spear]

r2e1 my behated

r4e1 my beloved

[tardy ingot]

That I disagree

R4A2, B1, B2, C3, D1, D2, E1

R5A2, C2, D2, E1

[safe cradle]

||R4A2, R4A3, R4B2, R4C1 somewhat, R4C2 at the end, R4C3 fuck chargers, R4D2 at the end, R4E1 it's weird to explain but the error ain't gonna be around for long.||

[digital mural]

R4D2 and R4E1 are the only good ones for me

R5 tbh only E1 too

everything else can get nuked and i wouldnt even care

[tardy ingot]

biased and wrong

[fathom ice]

team I can't believe u call r4d2 a good level

[tardy ingot]

r4d2 is overall good

[fathom ice]

is it intended to go back to grab cargo

if so it's so bad

[torn token]

isnt that the tank introduction level?

[safe cradle]

You need to call an E-level FANTASTIC or people will think badly of you

[tardy ingot]

my complain would be overload not working well for carrying cargo through and main being a bit bland

[fathom ice]

r4c1

[digital mural]

thats R4C1

[wet bear]

Samdown let's you get better at almost vanilla game, trust

[fathom ice]

^

[tardy ingot]

No thats c1

[wet bear]

Nah e tier ass

[fathom ice]

that's enough to not be a good level imo

[safe cradle]

That said I do like R8E2 from a perspective of how hard it is

[digital mural]

R8E1 is a great E tier

[torn token]

arguably easier than C tiers

[tardy ingot]

Nah

Imo R5E1 (total run) is a decent level. But it drags out (ayyy R5 esque)

Cell skip is a great run but obviously way harder

R4E1 is good, R7E1 has noticeable clear flaws, R2E1 isnt good (but also not awful) and r8e2 is peak

[digital mural]

R8E1 is peak too

dont forget it

[tardy ingot]

I dont count C tiers for an E tier discussion

:^ )

[digital mural]

DAMNNNNNN

[wet bear]

Should we count R6E1 and R3E1 in here too?

[digital mural]

people keep forggeting R1E1

[torn token]

i sometimes forget about R1

[tardy ingot]

Either way @torn token id recommend not running r2e1 rn man

Exploits and boosters with a decent-ish loadout should make it free

[safe cradle]

It's more that I feel some people won't say "I enjoy this A-tier level" because it'd be somewhat humiliating to do so

R5A2 is a good level

[wet bear]

Exploits he says exploits

[torn token]

our last run was stopped because we didnt know about that last scout and that killed our run

[digital mural]

people bully me for saying i like R5B4

:(

[wet bear]

The best ladderfoamer say that word

[safe cradle]

R4A2 is a decent level if somewhat badly built because R4 introduced sectors

Out of all E-tiers I enjoy R8E2 the most but R2E1 is easier to pub, at least for me, so It's the one I cleared the most

[tardy ingot]

Anyone who cant is either stuck in an elitist af mindset or cringe

[wet bear]

@tardy ingot also regarding of exploits how hard pumped up your ass from all squats?

[tardy ingot]

ask the others
I dont watch my own ass

[safe cradle]

R4E1 I'd feel like I didnt play it unless I code fetched (which I did in my only clear but we were 2-2), otherwise it feels like I did jackshit all time after tank error stops

[fathom ice]

r5a2 felt kinda weird

they put so much stuff into an A tier

[safe cradle]

I like it it's compact

[fathom ice]

it is yeah

[tardy ingot]

Snatcher addon rly makes it feel that way

[safe cradle]

It feels like a cat entering a box

[fathom ice]

yeah

without him it's fine prob ngl

[safe cradle]

occupies all the room it needs to and nothing more

[wet bear]

Could be smaller if we delete one key zone

[safe cradle]

but that has hybrids so you get to see those

[fathom ice]

true u can just delete 18

and keep 17 since it's better for speedrunning

kek

[safe cradle]

Only thing I'd change is remove random snatcher and re-add the scouts (just make them not respawn)

[digital mural]

speedrun this

speedrun that

speedrun get some bitches

[wet bear]

I have 2 they already a part of me

[digital mural]

Huh

[tardy ingot]

The thing is if you delete one we dont rly mind how good the other (thats left) is

It just makes rng less of an issue

[tardy ingot]

The scout didnt respawn as far as I am aware

[safe cradle]

I legit cant remember it has been a fuckton of years

[tardy ingot]

It was og r5

which is

legit 3 1/2 years ago

[fathom ice]

man i've been here for only a year

[wet bear]

In og og r5 it didn't respawn or in og r5

[fathom ice]

rip

[tardy ingot]

imagine if sky argued with me about old school and pickrate knowledge while only being here for like ~1 year

[fathom ice]

i can't

[tardy ingot]

(Not that you did)

[fathom ice]

and idw to

[tardy ingot]

What about og og og r5

[safe cradle]

what is pickrate knowledge

the %s of which guns were most picked released by devs?

I cant even remember when that was posted

[wet bear]

The release, before they deleted 2 billion respawn sacks

[tardy ingot]

well the 1 thing everyone can know is the thing they posted around alt r2/r3

[civic wave]

r7e1 is funny

never could figure out why every room past the big scan is a respawn room, seems a bit excessive...

[fathom ice]

cuz teleport kills everything

so all the rooms have to be respawn

[wet bear]

In old school there was only one mission "Alpha"

[fathom ice]

(including all the rooms)

[safe cradle]

fun fact: that mission had the small dot biotracker bug too

[tardy ingot]

I will say goats message seems very much done in a mild sarcastic tone

[fathom ice]

oops

[safe cradle]

and was also much different, no chargers...

[civic wave]

nah, it's genuine

no sarcasm at all

or is that also sarcasm, hm

[tardy ingot]

alt r2/r3 ish

theres obviously more knowledge but like :|

[civic wave]

quite the conundrum indeed

[fathom ice]

fun fact ur pmom in respawn zones may be absent

cuz apparently it dies after teleport

and it may respawn

or it may spawn a baby instead

[tardy ingot]

R7E1

or also

free mom achievement farming

[safe cradle]

of course, she cant be there all day

[fathom ice]

for whatever reason

[fathom ice]

ohhh ure right

put that in achievement%

[wet bear]

Layout was different too in some places, no infection but fog, fog repellers 100% is 4 foggies, scary ass first time sleepers, big shelves

[tardy ingot]

In the theoretical route it is

It completes on tp

[fathom ice]

is there a gauntlet category btw

[tardy ingot]

so you tp and leave

[tardy ingot]

Yes

[fathom ice]

ow

[civic wave]

all achievements you probably get it anyway by blasting r3d1 wirh scatters

[fathom ice]

it may be the time for duo gauntlet

[digital mural]

How much would it take for a 100% achievement Speedrun

[tardy ingot]

all e tiers bar r8e1

[safe cradle]

it implies Sum Total so a lot

[tardy ingot]

Full?

gtfo% and then add like a ton of time

also booster achievement is a bit uuuh

[fathom ice]

eva is there a duo category for gauntlet

or nah

[tardy ingot]

it wont ever be a thing basically

[tardy ingot]

Id assume so

[digital mural]

In theory how much would it take for you?

[fathom ice]

hmm

might give it a go after we get all E tiers

[digital mural]

In theory

[little pilot]

at least 24 hours, probably 25

[civic wave]

kinda wanna find me a duo to place a time on r4e1 and get a slice of the pie

[tardy ingot]

Idk man
100% isnt checked properly

[fathom ice]

I could

if u want to

[civic wave]

nah, not with someone already on the leaderboard

[digital mural]

Ez

[fathom ice]

rip

[civic wave]

I mean if hani was around and offered I'd do it with him because I love the guy

but anyone else, nah

at least not high on the leaderboard, Ray would be cool

[fathom ice]

sounds like discrimination

[tardy ingot]

More
Logs

[civic wave]

against you? perhaps

[fathom ice]

😔

is it cuz i'm a man

[civic wave]

nah it runs deeper than that, the men thing is more of a jest

i love the masculine compulsion to argue over dumb shit

could be forgiven in some instances for thinking that friends fucking hate each other

[wet bear]

Based

[ocean lance]

now just remove hate and the sentence is perfect

[sudden nexus]

ayo????

[ocean lance]

what do you want

[sudden nexus]

why arent you on that solo r3d1 gtfr grind

[ocean lance]

because my gtfr duo is trolling

[sudden nexus]

ong

[ocean lance]

dude my duo is trollingg

[sudden nexus]

sprinting into pmom 🔥

[ocean lance]

could never be us

I'd sprint IN pmom

if you catch my drift

[civic wave]

here we go again with skipping foreplay

typical

[ocean lance]

wym me and remmy have so much foreplay

[sudden nexus]

doing parkour over a sleeping pmom was the foreplay

[ocean lance]

then getting edged by the moving scan?

so hot

[wet bear]

Gtfr t-scans are cruel thing

[sudden nexus]

ong

[tribal nymph]

Le chouffe

[burnt inlet]

UhM aCcThUaLlY iTs A bAsIc InStInCt🤓 👆

[civic wave]

sorry, i'm too feminine to get into an argument with you over that

[ocean spindle]

i love when my friend asks me what wins a jellyfish or a jelly !!!

🔥 🔥

and then i kiss him

[burnt inlet]

I just skip the first part 😎

[ocean spindle]

:O idk how to get so much game

[burnt inlet]

Just do it 4head

[sage owl]

can i have c form in r2d2? i love cfrom so much :0 and r2d2 is so fun !!!!

[grizzled patrol]

yes. the reactor wont spawn more enemies if you just stall the enemies before the timer runs out. find a door and keep it foamed

[sage owl]

heheheh the game was so fun >_<

love the map

even if i didnt complate it yet i am glad :3

now i think i know this map so its more fun

i didnt know what i was doing before so

[civic wave]

please fucking find a new hobby

[grizzled patrol]

i cant do that

[digital mural]

Okay technically, it's not wrong

But just

Don't

Don't do that

Bring a sentry

[sage owl]

whaaaat

i thought maybe cfrom would work and i was going to have it soon?

:/

TT

tomorrow i will have cfrom hehehehe

[uneven kiln]

C Foam is just not that worth it on R2D2

(there's a few spots where it's useful)

[sage owl]

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[uneven kiln]

The biggest case of usefulness of foam in the level is probably... finding a C-Foam Grenade in a locker/box and tossing it onto the ladder in the O shaped room for the Z198 alarm

[civic wave]

the only tool loadout worth taking on that level really is biotracker + 3 sentries (comprised of sniper/burst sentries)

[uneven kiln]

yeah, last time I pubbed we took 2 sniper sentries and a burst, with the 4th of course being bio tracker

made the mission nice and almost comfy

[sage owl]

i think we should save ammo pack as long as we can if we want to survive

isnt it

in r2d2

thats what i always think when i do that

[uneven kiln]

you have to balance your tool and ammo usage, there isn't enough in the level to heavily rely on one or the other

That's why when I see most newer teams or pubs fall short of success, it's usually on Wave 7/8 and they use too much ammo and don't take triple sentry

[safe cradle]

I did it with bots bio+3 sniper sentries

[ember mulch]

🫠

[sage owl]

what if i have cfrom - and 3 sentries with bots?

[safe cradle]

Resisting on bridge makes everything a lot easier than resisting in weird places

There's no use for foam on reactors

[sage owl]

TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

my love cfrom

okay..

[safe cradle]

Reactors always spawn the same enemies (and puts them into queue if it cant) so stalling a wave does nothing but make so that you eventually fight a huge continous stream of enemies rather than controlled waves

[digital mural]

Nope

Bio is very important

[uneven kiln]

there will be other levels that REALLY want C-Foam, but Reactors are like the one objective you tend to never want C-Foam Launcher on, and instead the foam grenades or foam mines from lockers can help in certain spots

[ember mulch]

Never you say?

[sage owl]

but cfrom was useuful... in r2d2 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[uneven kiln]

tend to never

[ember mulch]

Ok thats better

[sage owl]

anyone wanna play with me and cfrom

....

[civic wave]

if you want to win the level, you don't take cfoam for a reactor

if you're doing stupid shit, you may end up bringing cfoam into a reactor

[burnt inlet]

I think that was cuz our supreme skill😎

[civic wave]

see: r4e1 speedrun, brazil skip, pacifist runs

[safe cradle]

I mean R8E2 too

[sage owl]

i just want to test

and see how it is feels like

[safe cradle]

I've usually cleared with 1-1-1-1 and it's a reactor

but that's really being nitpicky

[sage owl]

anyone wanna play with me T_T?

[safe cradle]

so I didnt mention it

[ember mulch]

Just go and LFG myb some1 hops in and helps ya

[uneven kiln]

I was just updating the documentation for R4E1 and I want to take a guess before I look... Is it for Z510, Z512, Z516, and Z463

[tardy ingot]

Ladderfoam

thats kinda it

[ember mulch]

😶

[uneven kiln]

man I wish we had a ladderfoam emote

[burnt inlet]

@sturdy dew

[uneven kiln]

🪜

[tardy ingot]

🪜

[ember mulch]

👀

[grizzled patrol]

🪜
🪜

[burnt inlet]

@uneven kiln how quick are full completions of R5A3 and B1 respectively

[rapid warren]

badder loam

[civic wave]

both are slogs so probably 80-100 minutes on a regular run

[burnt inlet]

bruuuuuuuuuu

[uneven kiln]

I agree with goat

[burnt inlet]

R6D2?

wait nvm that ones hard

R7B3?

[uneven kiln]

R6D2 isn't very hard unless you do Sec and then you need to plan out team arsenal better

[burnt inlet]

D1 wasnt comfy and u said story missions are easier

[uneven kiln]

They are

that remains true even in R7

[burnt inlet]

;-; i have like no missions that are less than 1 hour that i havent completed

R7C1 only has main

mayeb <1 hour?

[uneven kiln]

depends if you want Main to be ass or not

[burnt inlet]

"full completion" 🙃

[fathom ice]

r7c1 is 40 minutes

an hour if ure a snail

[burnt inlet]

like a "i have sky" 40 mins or true pub 40 mins?

[uneven kiln]

if you want to lower the fog it takes like an hour (it is not infectious)

[fathom ice]

true pub prob

[burnt inlet]

👀

[fathom ice]

wait u can just triple sentry the fucking sec door

[burnt inlet]

might not lower it then

[tardy ingot]

if you know where term is that takes like 2 extra minutes

[uneven kiln]

so true

I'm assuming a first pass through a level though

because this man

@burnt inlet

[civic wave]

yea it's a 5min endeavour

[uneven kiln]

this guy

[tardy ingot]

Not lowering fog makes that alarm noticeably harder if you dont setup rly well (where id run mines 100%)

[burnt inlet]

hey dont call me out like that