#gtfo-related-questions

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minor fractal
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when we ran w/ Zed and Sp3ctre

minor fractal
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Oh, and Tim a bit.

steep ivy
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what triggers voicelines? like hackett saying "hands off caulks" i know it's something to do with him using bio-tracker and having pings
or at the very least where can i find the files

ocean spindle
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bots have voicelines if they see a lot of enemies in a room [more than like 4 5]

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but the phrase "what triggers voicelines" is very vague

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like theres like 150 per character like cmon

steep ivy
ocean spindle
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they have lines too for little enemies in a room and no enemies

steep ivy
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yeah have heard them say "we got nothin"

grizzled patrol
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enemies inside the room, scout in room etc

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a bunch of obvious if statements

steep ivy
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it's mainly the tracker ones i'm wanting

grizzled patrol
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multiple enemies on the bio tracker

steep ivy
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what mission has a really high density?

grizzled patrol
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"we are shagged, too much to count"

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the highest or the earliest with a lot?

ocean spindle
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u dont need high density pretty much every mission has enough enemies for them to say it at some point

steep ivy
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ideally earliest with a lot

ocean spindle
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its like +5

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its harder to listen to the "some enemies" line instead

steep ivy
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i'm just wanting some of the funny ones for soundboard/sound alerts

ocean spindle
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r1b2 could probs r1d1 for sure r1c2 in the second zone

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if u want the lines from hte game extracted see the moddin server

grizzled patrol
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there are Youtube videos with pretty much all voicelines

ocean spindle
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they miss some depending on the one u catch

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and its hard as fuck to find one in a 30 minute videeo

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unless u want to chug 6 7 mins of dauda speaking nonstop

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if its there

steep ivy
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do i need to find new enemies in order for him to have another line of dialogue, he said one right at the beginning and hasn't said one since

grizzled patrol
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there is a cooldown

steep ivy
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I've just gone for lunch and left obs recording it, only have dialogue enabled

steep ivy
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good counters to ||dog||?

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taking short break from R2E1 and attempting 7D1

hoary mason
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scatter

steep ivy
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other than that?

hoary mason
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just shoot

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stagger it before it catches anyone

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it runs off

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do it couple of times

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it dies

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snatcher does give characteristic sound when it goes back for attack

tiny wyvern
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You can technically BC it

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If you're with a team that can help out

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If you're soloing with bots tho mostly scatter

grizzled patrol
steep ivy
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that's what i do when i can be stealthy, ramps are goated

tardy ingot
topaz anvil
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Place a mine by your feet, dog will be stunned

steep ivy
keen seal
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I feel like high cal doing 30 damage and getting 2 shots off pretty fast should be intuitive

grizzled patrol
steep ivy
keen seal
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now you do

burnt inlet
steep ivy
topaz anvil
burnt inlet
ripe hamlet
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chat

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does melee damage increases linearly with charge time

native sun
ocean spindle
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it increases by the cube i think

native sun
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[[Melee]]

gray rapidsBOT
ocean spindle
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funny maths

native sun
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(Stam use is linear tho)

ripe hamlet
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ic

grizzled patrol
sly pivot
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Do the alt rundows 1-6 still have the story? Like if we were to play them now we'll still be able to experience the story

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We played the original rundows quite a long time ago, and we're getting back into the game now but if possible we'd like to go from R1 -> R8 and also follow the story

digital mural
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But the story is different from ALT and OG

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(they complement each other)

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It will make sense once you reach R8

inner inlet
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They removed the story from the gamešŸ’” you just shoot zombies nowšŸ˜­ trollclassic_c

digital mural
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They are NOT zombies

inner inlet
sly pivot
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I assume there is no way to experience the OG story besides youtube videos?

digital mural
inner inlet
ocean spindle
sly pivot
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well besides 7-8

digital mural
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But you can download the OG files

digital mural
ocean spindle
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do the alt not have theee og logs?

digital mural
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AlT have the same logs but they usually add more info or change some stuff

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Like EF-01

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Or the Characters interviews

ocean spindle
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oh i guess- nevermind
i was thinking r4 or r5 could still have the og chaefer ones

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but it could not be the case

inner inlet
sly pivot
digital mural
digital mural
ocean spindle
digital mural
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You either are doing something very wrong or extremely slow if it takes a shit ton of time

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But eh

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Everything is a learning experience

inner inlet
ocean spindle
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r1c1 is easy

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its a learning curve but no more than 5 tries

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ive seen newer teams do it relatively fast

inner inlet
digital mural
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We got another Malefic

inner inlet
inner inlet
ocean spindle
digital mural
inner inlet
# digital mural Deez nuts

Bro you should not be telling people that your nuts are sentient tumors in gtfo discord serveršŸ’”

sly pivot
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we did upto like D or C on 1, 2, 3 and 4 IIRC, mostly because we would just die on the harder D and E levels and if I remember correctly there weren't any checkpoints back then (or maybe very few?)

digital mural
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There isn't any checkpoints until R6

sly pivot
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so dying near the end of E would just mean 2h + 2h for a single level

inner inlet
digital mural
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The game is "easier" now

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Since we got access to every single gun in the game

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Now you got a better chance at completing the game

inner inlet
sly pivot
burnt inlet
grizzled patrol
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(unironically 100% real opinion)

silver turtle
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If I want to git gud in terms of solo skills (basically get better at standing ground on my own, with or without teammates), what are some suggestions for what I can do?

placid sky
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watch the shooting guide

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by beth

silver turtle
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and melee combat?

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I wanna learn what is the most advanced I can go

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and what are the things I can do to practice

grizzled patrol
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Its Not that deep

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Sure shmovement is one aspect

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But Most of it is Just learning the Breakpoints for charged Attack percentages

silver turtle
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enough room and good stamina

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I wanna get more comfortable with minimizing the hits I take

grizzled patrol
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You Play toggle or hold Sprint?

silver turtle
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hold

grizzled patrol
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You can jump Dash or Just run to a Side to avoid

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In some cases you can also Just Side step the attacks, but you have to be either very Close or very far from the enemy

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I am Sure someone probably did a Guide on movement

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If Not i guess i might do it If Noone wants to (pls i hate working)

ripe hamlet
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"yeah its not that deep"
tries doing true solo
"im trash"

fathom ice
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and depends if ure playing host/client

tardy ingot
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skyyyyyy xD

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but like, melee combat is just kinda normal movement and knowing how to hit what with your melee

fathom ice
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that's the thing tho

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gotta play for a bit to get used to and stuff I meant

tardy ingot
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for sure

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but theres a lot of things that could be said

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and explained

unborn glen
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Does anyone know the specifics of Dog AI? like, why they target specific players? I ask bc a friend and i were farming Guardian Angel on R5A2 and the dog WITHOUT FAIL targeted them EVERY TIME, save for 2 (two) instances where it grabbed me (this sucked because they're the one who needed the cheevo). We were the only two players, so it could have been weird random rolls- but do they prioritize players with lower health, or the Host before any others?

ocean spindle
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they dont target bots but i think thats it

grizzled patrol
digital mural
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Yeah it's completely random

ocean spindle
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maybe if u try running as far away as possible but with a sniper within line of sight

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like one room away

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idk

lean orbit
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do u have to kill the queen in r3e1??

grizzled patrol
ocean spindle
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yes
well no but u kinda need to

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also its d1

digital mural
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R3D1*

ocean spindle
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not e1

lean orbit
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oop yeah sorry

civic wave
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could be r3e1 metamorphosis...

lean orbit
civic wave
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it's less dangerous to kill it, really

ocean spindle
civic wave
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but you can leave it alive and go faster

ocean spindle
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so u cant just immediately rush+

digital mural
grizzled patrol
lean orbit
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okayyokay check check

ocean spindle
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queens have a lesser cooldown that a normal mom to spawn

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so

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funny

lean orbit
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and how do we actually kill her we only got white hit marks

ocean spindle
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they do it ofteen

ocean spindle
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as other mom enemies

lean orbit
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like does she have weak spots??

ocean spindle
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it has a lot more hp than a nromal mom so it might take more time

lean orbit
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aiiiit

civic wave
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yeah, the tumours (big round greyish blobs) are the damage spots for bosses

lean orbit
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thanks alot!!

ocean spindle
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usually 2 people focus tumors and 2 people babies

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so u arent overhwlemed

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u can always look up more strats or tips on the [[Mother]] s wiki page

gray rapidsBOT
lean orbit
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thanks!!

ocean spindle
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theres also a big mother page but i think only the mom one has the strategies

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i need to check

digital mural
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If an enemy in a videogame has a massive big ball on its back
It's most likely a weak point

ocean spindle
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and/ maybe fix that

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oh nevermind!

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[[Big Mother]]

gray rapidsBOT
ocean spindle
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both are complete pogchamp !

tardy ingot
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theres a mom before pmom in r3d1 aswell (same mechanic)

digital mural
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Also P mommies spawn more babies

burnt inlet
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Quick question is there a mega mom?

ocean spindle
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fuck around find out

burnt inlet
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Well

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Iā€™ve seen one spawned via commands but didnā€™t know if it was actually a thing

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That spawned naturally

civic wave
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demom

burnt inlet
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Canā€™t wait to be carried thru that encounter

normal granite
burnt inlet
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Thaaaaaat explains it lmao

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Carried played thru R8A2 sec

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Gonna be a while until that one appears

normal granite
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Done r8a2 secondary XD

burnt inlet
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But not done R8C1

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Yep

normal granite
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R8c1 overload was pain with my friend and bots

burnt inlet
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Truth be told I havenā€™t even completed R4 yetā€¦

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šŸ˜­šŸ™

mystic fable
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whats up with R5E1 , that is hell...

ocean spindle
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hard level goes hard

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:3

digital mural
burnt inlet
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Wasnā€™t that the competition level?

mystic fable
burnt inlet
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Just do cellskip BabyShooter

mystic fable
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i think we tried but it still didnt went well

digital mural
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Get 4 hel shotguns

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Easy game

burnt inlet
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Nah unironically do the intended way

burnt inlet
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Or two

digital mural
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There's some guides on the level if you need it

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Look up Professor Scaler on YouTube

burnt inlet
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Hes good at everything except sentry choice

mystic fable
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oki doki im gonna look it up

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nvm i already watched it yesterday after we failed

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xd

ocean spindle
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:b

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well how u been doing on other clears like r4e1 or r2e1

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did u skipped them

mystic fable
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let me check i think i did r2e1

ocean spindle
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i ask cuz r5e1 is about the same difficulty as r4e1, harder than r2e1

mystic fable
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noup i didnt complete it

patent mulch
ocean spindle
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too

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r6 is very ez piss its gaming

digital mural
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I wouldn't say ez piss

patent mulch
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piss?

digital mural
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But ye

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It's easier

ocean spindle
keen seal
mystic fable
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i mean i joined random group they asked what i need to complete and i said im down for whatever

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so that happened ahahha

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i was not ready at all

burnt inlet
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Gutsi R6 has a steep difficulty curve just so you know

ocean spindle
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does it

burnt inlet
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Kinda

ocean spindle
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oh well i guess it does

digital mural
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Eh

ocean spindle
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but it shouldnt be too much of an issue if u donr r2 r3 r4 n r5

burnt inlet
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Yea

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Fair enough

ocean spindle
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(parts of those at least)

steep ivy
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Is it possible for desync to be so bad you attack a scout, get the kill hit marker but it still scream?

digital mural
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You would be surprised at what kind of chaos desync can cause

steep ivy
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Alright, had that happen while playing r2E1 with someone clipped it and just wanted to make sure

civic wave
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more likely to be packet loss/very unfortunate timing than desync proper i feel

steep ivy
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That's more likely it, while playing valorant I sometimes have 20% packet loss

digital mural
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Try to not lose your packet

normal granite
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Question: can you get the work together achievement with bots (4 players, no downs)

im fairly certain ive done it befoer wiht bots, but not 100% sure

grizzled patrol
steep ivy
inner inlet
agile field
burnt inlet
agile field
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Veruta copypasta towards dymus ping @agile field

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You are getting this too

dusty basalt
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Does the sawed off one shot chargers?

prime musk
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if every pellet hits

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(and you suffer next to no falloff)

dusty basalt
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sad

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I guess I'll stick with dmr :)

prime musk
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sawed off is still better into them ngl
stagger and spam kills
2 shot on them still kills faster and more efficiently than dmr

minor idol
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Am I the only one who wishes the server pic would change to their diamond patch logo?
Itā€™s so clean

burnt inlet
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Like a different game

sudden nexus
burnt inlet
sudden nexus
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oh the like 3 triangles

burnt inlet
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Yea

minor idol
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I donā€™t know if I can post pic or link here but a google search takes you to the GTFO merch store showing merch with diamond patch logo

civic wave
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you can post links

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they won't embed the contents of the webpage, but it's still fine

sudden nexus
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genuinely thinking about buying this

topaz anvil
sudden nexus
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yea thats my one problem

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most of the prints are just rectangle on shirt

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they look so cool bu aggggg

topaz anvil
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Where's the full body print or a stylistic fade out into the clothing

sudden nexus
topaz anvil
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Yes, it's not a random cut off into the rest of the shirt

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Pretty fire

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But do you have a limited edition 10cc dev jacket

sudden nexus
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no

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did you see the limited edition prints

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the rebel triker looks so cool

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but omg its expensive

topaz anvil
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I really wanted the cooler

ripe hamlet
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for some reason i still dont have die together achievement

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do i need to fail with full lobby or smth

tribal nymph
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Is this games worth playing solo

ripe hamlet
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unless youre super cracked

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nope

steep ivy
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or extremely masocistic

tiny wyvern
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Just LFG and have a better time

ocean spindle
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it says "4 player" doesn't it

prime musk
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@frail heart nah we're cooked, we ran for 6 hours yesterday and finished one run (the second drop of the day)

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but when runs go well they do go well

frail heart
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Is it fun?

ripe hamlet
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just say to fail an expedition

ocean spindle
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oh wel might still be a requirement

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at some point u will have to play with 4 people anyway so

ripe hamlet
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never

fathom ice
prime musk
ripe hamlet
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im duoing til the end

prime musk
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break and switching to r4e1 and very end helped a lot

frail heart
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Yeah fair

fathom ice
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in all honesty it is not that bad tho

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although it is kinda hard to play speed cuz ure always cooked

prime musk
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it kinda becomes just "cs duo but play really well"

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you kinda get to speed everything until giant zone

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but from there you're mostly playing for clear

frail heart
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when split strat trollface

prime musk
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ngl it's doable but it's going to be so bad it's not a timesave

fathom ice
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it's defo not a time save

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would be a fun challenge run at most prob

prime musk
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rn we're chill stratting and it's very very good

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idek what you do to kill tank

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pull B into kill everything except tank into doorfuck ig

fathom ice
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don't think u can kill B without mines

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ur just starving to death prob

prime musk
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maybe it's a let tank run to cell grabber (who has scatter) angle

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and scatter then gets to doorfuck on door to C

fathom ice
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kinda sus

prime musk
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kinda sus but with lines you're not starving at least

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idk you want scatter pushing cell because you have to kill so many giants and shit

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which means hel rifle plays tank zone

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so tank doesn't die

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unless epic 7 mines setup

fathom ice
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fr !!!

prime musk
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man you gotta hot strat then / partial pull into full pull / lukewarm

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i think superchill is just so good in duos

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it's just not a timeloss compared to any other strat

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(except like, hot strat with 2 scatters and host scatter gaming out)

tribal nymph
errant dome
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get the perfect infinite bhop into tank/charger zone

tardy ingot
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just door bug Nerdge

burnt inlet
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If thereā€™s a doorbug somewhere can we run thru it?

uneven kiln
# burnt inlet If thereā€™s a doorbug somewhere can we run thru it?

This is a good time to mention in here that NoDoorCheese plugin got some more updates so it reflects full gamestate awareness by disabling the door panel instantly (and permanently) when the door is broken, as well as updating the map status of the door to always reflect broken state, even after the broken door "opens" again to prevent doorbug

grizzled patrol
uneven kiln
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Yep

burnt inlet
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ghostly found another bug lmao

grizzled patrol
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Ghostly is into beetles?

burnt inlet
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yep

uneven kiln
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What we found is vanilla stealth jank. Moth and I were just testing it, it happens with bots and real human players. If you melee swing at a sleeper that was just killed by a teammate, instead of being silent (beyond the proximity aggro of 3 meters), that player specifically will hear a thud as though they hit the floor and cause a hard trigger as though they indeed hit the floor (within a 7 meter radius), and this occurs even if the player that gets the thud is looking up at a given Sleeper, in the complete opposite direction of the floor

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The Sleeper's dead body is causing a hard trigger

civic wave
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this is known

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sleepers bodies are objects just after they die

uneven kiln
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For what duration, if you know

civic wave
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uhhh i don't quite know

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if you fire burst cannon at a line of sleepers the shots (or at least the second one) will get blocked by the corpse

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the deadbodyfix mod changes this behaviour, but that's an advantage you don't get in base game so i don't touch it

uneven kiln
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Oh yeah, I love the burst cannon and I have noticed that

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would deadbodyfix change the melee part of it, I wonder

civic wave
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not sure, never thought deeply about it

uneven kiln
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(the mod only mentions the bullets component)

civic wave
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i'm not even sure if it's strictly client side, if host having it affects entire lobby, etc

civic wave
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as in they didn't realise the underlying behaviour affects melee too

uneven kiln
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time to go re-test

civic wave
uneven kiln
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got pulled into a call, will report back in a little while

civic wave
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got it

uneven kiln
# civic wave got it

DeadBodyFix does not address the melee component. But this should also probably be a separate thing...
Logically, it tells me this:
-Corpses should block bullets until they disintegrate (vanilla behavior; just makes sense)
-Meleeing extremely recently killed sleepers by teammates specifically should not cause a hard trigger

frail heart
civic wave
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it is an object that makes sound when you hit it

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it is the same as hitting any other geometry

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well i should state that i don't know exactly in game coding/datablock terms if it is technically classed as an object - but it's a nice word to describe how it functions i feel

uneven kiln
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it's definitely a hard trigger, the ~7m radius

uneven kiln
civic wave
uneven kiln
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wow that is recent

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it's 100% the corpse. You can observe this when testing crouching looking up at a standing striker/shooter, have a teammate kill it while you are mid swing before your melee hitbox connects. floor thud sound plays

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and then you can remain in that position/exact camera angle, and do another melee swing, to see that no thud occurs to prove you weren't even in range of the floor with your melee

frail heart
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I thought people knew this

burnt inlet
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i thought the sound didnt trigger sleepers

uneven kiln
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sadly not common knowledge... it isn't mentioned in the D4RKEVA stealth guide video, and wiki does not appear to list it

uneven kiln
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we clearly woke up a sleeper outside of proximity trigger

burnt inlet
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Yea before the test thingy

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Cuz like Iā€™ve heard it

tardy ingot
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it should be added to the wiki for sure tho as a note

frail heart
tardy ingot
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the stealth guide has some stuff missing (like how exactly long range aggro can be triggered on woken up enemies, since that was only figured out after) and "dumbs down" some things like flashlights as a soft trigger

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also frosty

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24h

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the timers ticking

fathom ice
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me when I put advanced knowledge which u pretty much never encounter into stealth guide

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šŸ˜”

uneven kiln
uneven kiln
fathom ice
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no

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it isn't

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it's always an accident type thing

tardy ingot
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going super indepth confuses people who actually need the guide

tardy ingot
fathom ice
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i've had it like 5 times maybe

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in 2k hours playtime

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and none of them did anything

tardy ingot
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be me
test stealth wakeups on woken up enemies for nearly an hour in cconsole

not get a single one because I walk to wake up the enemy (which cant trigger long range aggro after)

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some things are super obscure

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like how many people actually understand what will happen in a ladderfoam situation

fathom ice
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isn't it just enemy blocking a path

uneven kiln
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I don't think this is too in-depth, it's an oversight, smacking a corpse when someone just smacked it a second ago but it suddenly makes over twice the radius of noise before it even hits the ground doesn't feel right.

Less coordinated pubs could definitely encounter this if they aren't counting swings and don't designate targets. And for solo + bots players, it can most certainly happen too, I tested both with moth and a Dauda bot

fathom ice
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so a certaint trigger is stuck

errant dome
tardy ingot
# fathom ice isn't it just enemy blocking a path

enemies queueing into HAVING to go through the ladder (aka wont reaggro even if you stand next to them)
how they travel through the ladder (where, what amount of foam is best)
how distance and fps interact with it

is what I meant

fathom ice
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oh

errant dome
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right i forgot about the whole fps thing with that

fathom ice
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oh wait they queue

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so if they sticked to ladder they won't leave?

errant dome
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funny how most games break under either super low or super high fps

fathom ice
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till they go down

errant dome
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if you hit them i think they can reaggro

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but otherwise afaik yes

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or well if the person their targgeting goes down

tardy ingot
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r4e1 is very funny with this

errant dome
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i assume same result

tardy ingot
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especially pre ladderfoam "nerfs"

fathom ice
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I assume frames thing is

tardy ingot
fathom ice
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enemies get less updates

tardy ingot
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yea

fathom ice
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so they go through foam slower

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same with amount of rooms

tardy ingot
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less updates = foam is used up slower

fathom ice
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ye

tardy ingot
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fps thing is mostly nice to have cuz it kinda helps with ladderfoam being more consistent (which only rly became an issue after they changed smth about it indirectly)

errant dome
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but i also dont fully understand how aggro works

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like i know there is like this wack thing where sometimes an enemy refuses to reaggro no matter how many times u shoot it till it goes through a door

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but idk how or why that happens

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seems to mostly happen with tank and giants, sometimes hybrids

tardy ingot
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I love when a striker does that

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you shoot it from range

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but it just full sends

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better than any speedrunner ever could

errant dome
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xd

fathom ice
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me when that guy

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leaves the room

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screames

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and runs back to me

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like ????????

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is he just high rolling aggro

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every time he changes room

errant dome
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nah the thing is where they dont change target till they go through a door is defo not just a high rolling aggro thing, cause tank behavior makes 0 sense

fathom ice
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tank prio feels like

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shoot > los > high roll

errant dome
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well like i said i dont fully understand how it works or why it happens, but when it does it is extremely wacky lmao

#

tank just casually walking up to a security door, completely ignoring me while i blast his ass

civic wave
fathom ice
#

lf r4e1 duo !

civic wave
civic wave
frail heart
#

Playtest

fathom ice
burnt inlet
uneven gulchBOT
fathom ice
#

you can't do that to me

burnt inlet
uneven gulchBOT
burnt inlet
#

I think I just did

fathom ice
burnt inlet
#

Malefic isnā€™t online

fathom ice
#

what's ur best again

tardy ingot
#

4:31 d4rkevDerp

burnt inlet
#

šŸ˜”

fathom ice
#

not urs !!

burnt inlet
fathom ice
#

and it's a quad !!

fathom ice
burnt inlet
#

Oh

fathom ice
#

erm nurm

burnt inlet
#

Same same

fathom ice
#

when is my duo getting verified

tardy ingot
#

its gonna be so scuff until frosty comes back lol

fathom ice
#

i'm sad

tardy ingot
#

we ran r1c1

fathom ice
#

isn't r1c1 an input check

civic wave
#

oh right uhhh you wanted me to play pacifist didn't you eva

#

should think about getting dinner then

burnt inlet
#

Proceeds to speedrun a level where you have to wait for a timer to run out

tardy ingot
# fathom ice isn't r1c1 an input check

if you dont fuck up movement (which would be lol)
theres:

  1. stealth scan rng (minor but theres some BAAAAAD ones)
  2. enemy rng (stealth = better stam)
  3. code inputs
tardy ingot
civic wave
tardy ingot
#

idea is r8a1

#

then some glitched footage

fathom ice
tardy ingot
#

so R1 is done

fathom ice
#

enemy rng is fine prob

#

since ure knifing stuff anw

tardy ingot
fathom ice
#

its mostly precise code inputs

burnt inlet
tardy ingot
fathom ice
#

itt shouldn't be that bad

tardy ingot
#

its r1c1

#

and autoscroller

#

but it can change your time noticeably

#

code input is obviously the huge one

fathom ice
#

me when I run for 3 minutes

civic wave
#

gtfo when going for optimal speedrun time fucking sucks

fathom ice
#

and lose stam into reset

tardy ingot
#

R1D1 (currently on the list since frosty is gone) is at least minorly interesting

fathom ice
#

r1d1 is free wr

#

ngl

tardy ingot
#

"free"

fathom ice
#

well

tardy ingot
#

its scan rng check

#

and then you still gotta perform

fathom ice
#

yea

#

naa

#

in a quad it's free

#

or it should be free

#

might be a bit hard with optimisations

tardy ingot
#

a casual run with decent-good scans goes anywhere between 7:55 and 8:15

fathom ice
#

eva my run with infinity and siren is only 20 seconds slower

#

and I fumbled reactor list a

burnt inlet
#

Can players run thru door bugged doors?

fathom ice
#

yes

tardy ingot
#

we had a 8:12 with 2 downs on reactor teamscan (not at the same time) and a down prior in the level

#

I know

fathom ice
tardy ingot
#

hence us running for it

fathom ice
#

7 30 shouldn't be too hard psure

#

and it's also kinda fun to run

#

duo was fun to run

tardy ingot
#

I just prefer having people run it that are selfsufficient and can cover since you start going into res gambling

tardy ingot
burnt inlet
#

Idk

#

Isnt it ā€closedā€ according to the game?

tardy ingot
#

for the enemies

#

since it gets broken right when it gets closed

burnt inlet
#

Yea

tardy ingot
#

the door

#

is gone

fathom ice
#

^

burnt inlet
#

So thatā€™s why I thought it was closed for us too

fathom ice
#

is it closed on map btw

#

I don't think so right

tardy ingot
#

who looks at the map when door bugging

burnt inlet
#

I donā€™t remember

fathom ice
#

that is a fair point

uneven kiln
#

I got pretty good at doorbugging tbh

burnt inlet
#

Give me five @uneven kiln

#

Or I mean technically goat provided a link to a vid where it happened

grizzled patrol
uneven kiln
burnt inlet
grizzled patrol
#

damm bro thats crazy

uneven kiln
#

to know how to fix exploits you have to be able to replicate them

burnt inlet
#

Not in every level thoughšŸ˜”

#

R6D1 became a cakewalk

grizzled patrol
#

what do you even doorbug in D1? the reactor door? LA_Huh

burnt inlet
#

He did every door

#

Even the apex and security doors

uneven kiln
#

I didn't doorbug on that run, and doing so only works on weakdoors

tardy ingot
#

R6D1 has one of the funniest "exploits" in the game

#

that will never be replicated

burnt inlet
tardy ingot
#

?? moth

#

what

undone raven
#

What's the opposite of a pub

burnt inlet
burnt inlet
undone raven
#

I thought pub was more like someone who plays in public lobbies

#

Not necessarily someone of a certain skill level

fathom ice
#

i'm a pub

undone raven
burnt inlet
undone raven
#

Yeah they didn't rejoin trust šŸ™šŸ˜‡

civic wave
undone raven
#

Ohhhh

#

Thanks for clarification

civic wave
#

shut up pub @humble night

undone raven
#

Bro didn't even say nothin šŸ˜”

burnt inlet
#

Goat stop being a meanie

digital mural
#

Pubs don't have rights tho

civic wave
#

if only you knew

undone raven
uneven kiln
#

This footage shows several things with my test with moth:
-The Shooters don't face each other, so it isn't long range aggro
-They are beyond 3 meters from each other, so it isn't proximity trigger
-I specifically did this in the spot in the starting room of R1A1 that has dirt as the floor, and not the tiles elsewhere in the room, which has a different sound when you smack it with melee
-You can see I don't change my camera or position despite getting the typical thud sound, trying to replicate it with several swings afterwards and not getting any sound, which is different than the one when I finally smack the dirt floor

#

@ocean lance your footage was the catalyst for researching this further

ocean lance
#

i mean i think they already knew it

uneven kiln
#

yeah, just that frosty asked for footage a bit ago and I wanted to get another example that has the exact enemy distances shown. I couldn't even blame you in your footage either

humble night
#

pub reporting for duty

fathom ice
#

omg it's my favorite pub

hardy grotto
past mesa
#

You have miss info

#

The shooters facing direction I do believe is independent of long range

#

You can test this

#

But you def hit the floor

uneven kiln
#

My question to you is; I did several melee swings after the shooter died, and none of those hit the floor audibly. Did I hit the floor?

humble night
uneven kiln
#

if I did hit the floor, wouldn't it have made the soft dirt sound, and not the metallic thud?

past mesa
frail heart
#

Wtf is shooters facing direction

past mesa
#

but it has something to do with hit scan late changing

past mesa
#

Words

ocean lance
#

obviously

#

do you guys even play the game

past mesa
#

LOL

ocean lance
#

/s

past mesa
#

Iā€™m

frail heart
#

Yeah but like, what does it have to do with anything

past mesa
#

Sorry

ocean lance
#

jish i can't believe you

#

lmao

past mesa
#

Sorry we have hs this convo with melee checks with Ray before

#

it is either a hitscan late changing to a swing

ocean lance
#

i have aquired the gtfr version you guys play btw

#

it's really fun

past mesa
burnt inlet
ocean lance
#

10/10

fathom ice
#

jish are u still doing the jishdown

past mesa
#

Canā€™t believe my malware is spreading

fathom ice
#

when do we get to walk the dog in public

past mesa
#

Hit scan to swing

frail heart
#

My verdict

ocean lance
#

did you download the game off of the wrong website

#

it's steam

burnt inlet
#

Chat in just gonna ff my brain atp

ocean lance
#

not steamunlocked

past mesa
#

if it hits

#

first off

burnt inlet
past mesa
ocean lance
#

no it's not, it's paypal/lakana.it

past mesa
#

I was gonna give it to true

fathom ice
#

where's my bside

past mesa
#

At some point

fathom ice
#

na

#

u gotta finish it

burnt inlet
past mesa
#

There is like 5

frail heart
#

Itā€™s at least 1

tardy ingot
#

more than 0 for sure

fathom ice
#

xd

#

i love my chat

burnt inlet
#

Yea but like wouldnā€™t the next few hits hit the ground if it wasnā€™t a hitscan hit?

#

(This is why I cba)

past mesa
#

You arenā€™t looking at ground

burnt inlet
#

(Me no comprende)

past mesa
#

You are using the like 5th check

#

That swings doesnā€™t hit ground

#

@minor fractal

burnt inlet
#

Im uhh

past mesa
#

Get your melee checks out

#

We are having a unique experience

inner inlet
#

Why are you guys hiting the ground, what did it došŸ˜­ šŸ™

burnt inlet
frail heart
#

If the game didnā€™t still check after like 3 whole seconds I would question their dev team

past mesa
fathom ice
#

any checkers?

past mesa
#

Guys how am I the one getting made fun of here

inner inlet
past mesa
fathom ice
burnt inlet
#

Haha embed fail

fathom ice
#

omg the epic embed fail

inner inlet
little pilot
inner inlet
#

Embed fail

burnt inlet
fathom ice
fathom ice
burnt inlet
#

That was after

#

And unrelated

fathom ice
#

this is so funny

past mesa
#

I see the future moth

fathom ice
#

LMAO

past mesa
#

I saw this happening

inner inlet
surreal lodge
burnt inlet
#

Bro stop breaking the laws of physics

past mesa
burnt inlet
ocean lance
#

haha embed fail

#

sorry im late i was pooping

burnt inlet
fathom ice
past mesa
inner inlet
burnt inlet
burnt inlet
past mesa
#

GTFO past time

fathom ice
#

erm guys doxxing is not allowed

#

jail

inner inlet
burnt inlet
#

Wait why is this actually my house wtfšŸ˜­šŸ™

inner inlet
errant dome
#

ive read this convo and somehow ended up more confused than before reading it

agile field
low radish
agile field
sturdy glen
#

omg metallic striker conversation

#

I love my metallic striker

fluid heath
#

Is shotgun or combat shotgun the better choice? I'm really not sure what to choose.

tardy ingot
#

for what

#

both are good

#

shotgun is more all roundish - it gets very safe 1 shots on smalls and can 1 shot chargers (also nightmares) aswell as scouts
its also generally better into bosses

combat shotgun is more wave clear focused, with 1 taps having insane ammo econ but still being efficient on 2 shots (moreso than shotgun)

fluid heath
#

Okay I see

#

I will keep both in mind then, thank you for the answer

past mesa
#

????

#

It also doesnā€™t stagger or die

#

Any one have any suggestions

wheat gate
#

personally i find combat shotgun the best overall trash horde clear when u dont have insane lineups for helgun/rifle
hel shotgun main is also pretty good

#

its kinda deceiving how good it is. cos if u just shoot a single striker at mid range ur gonna dump like 5 shots to kill 1 striker
but if u line up two giants from the back hel shotgun can wipe both of them in half a clip

minor fractal
#

Combat shotgun is stronger overall, especially given how much its ammo has been power-crept.

#

CS and Shotgun are both kind of weird because they can be "replaced" sort of by HEL Shotgun and Sawed-Off respectively.

#

You can unironically get most of your wave clear or burst damage out of your Main rn.

#

But you could also run HEL Shotgun + Shotgun or Sawed-Off + Combat Shotgun, and both are very good loadouts

rapid warren
#

hel shawty + hel rifle/gun is my preferred and its alright

#

hel shotgun is just a bit weird to play bc u have to be so close to do damage

#

oh hm

#

fr

#

hel gun has a quicker reload imo and u can rapid fire it better

#

downside is u cant take out scouts

#

particularly charger

ocean spindle
#

:3

rapid warren
#

:3

#

hel shawty

rapid warren
#

but like idk just not enuf damage

#

šŸ¤¬

fallen kite
#

Shoot the back twice quickly

rapid warren
#

oh

#

interesting

fallen kite
#

try it out its really fun to do

rapid warren
#

thank you for enlightening me

rapid warren
fallen kite
#

just watch the angle and the range

#

Two shots does smth like 62 damage

#

So you havent gpt a lot of wiggle room

rapid warren
#

yea im just concerned if i will mess up the quick fire

#

i have been enlightened

fallen kite
rotund sand
#

i remember reading sth about chargers
small ones are male but charger scout and big chargers are all or mostly female is this true or false?

digital mural
#

same as shooters

rotund sand
#

so its false?

ocean spindle
#

chargers seem masculine

#

and the cscout punches as male variants

digital mural
#

chat

ocean spindle
#

but scouts are feminine

#

so

digital mural
#

pull out the BBC copypasta

ocean spindle
#

who the hell knows

ocean spindle
digital mural
sick mauve
rotund sand
#

bbc?

ocean spindle
#

me when r3d1

rotund sand
digital mural
rotund sand
#

makes sense now

digital mural
#

What else could it be eh?

rotund sand
#

ur right, nothing but big black chargers yes si si

rapid warren
#

šŸ˜‹

rancid smelt
#

Anyone got the company song when a door was opening in R8E1?

thin kayak
#

They can hear us talk by voice chat in game?

topaz anvil
grizzled patrol
rancid smelt
burnt inlet
#

Bruh

#

I got automoded

#

@rancid smelt ^

topaz anvil
burnt inlet
#

Yep

rancid smelt
#

Thx

inner inlet
#

Guys do you think that runing two bot with the machine gun is a good ideaclueless_c

grizzled patrol
#

unironically

inner inlet
#

Should me and bro run machine gunclueless_c

grizzled patrol
#

not the best but good

ocean spindle
#

bots work well with mg

inner inlet
#

We are trying to beat r2b2 and r1c1 right nowšŸ˜­

digital mural
inner inlet
#

For the primary should we run the revolverclueless_c

grizzled patrol
digital mural
grizzled patrol
#

tripple tap rifle

digital mural
#

Run Malefic as your primary and kill sleepers with misinformation

wet bear
#

Heavy smg special

inner inlet
#

Me and bro are going to runn two sentrys, witch should we bring, im thinking sniper or machine gun

grizzled patrol
rapid warren
grizzled patrol
rapid warren
#

sheeesh\

tiny wyvern
#

Hel rev and MG normal can be fine, but BC and burst rifle lets them do good enough damage at least minimizes FF

wild flare
inner inlet
errant dome
#

burst cannon

civic wave
#

anno domini

digital mural
inner inlet
#

is the terminal in r2b3 always in the aids fog

ocean spindle
#

most times but not alwaays

knotty relic
minor fractal
#

As a general rule, if you have two sentries it's always double Burst for strikers and either one or both gets switched to HEL Auto (placed for back) or Sniper for chargers, giants, or hybrids.

#

If you have only one sentry, HEL Auto becomes more appealing in general as a way to spend a lot of tool to full kill some encounter

#

But Burst is just always solid

#

Spends tool efficiently, and kills and chips some fraction of striker waves consistently.

wheat gate
#

burst is best on normal strikers
sniper is best for chargers/bigs
usually cant go wrong with those two

#

hel auto is very rarely best but when u place it just right it shreds hordes
also i learnd that it is the best for nightmares, burst doesnt do anything against those enemies

knotty relic
#

Didnā€™t bro say heā€™s in like R1?

#

Wut is a Nightmare???

ocean spindle
#

the funnny

#

:]

minor fractal
#

Sniper is probably still best for NMs, but Sniper and HEL Auto are somewhat interchangeable. It really depends on if you have good placements for Sniper or not.

#

R4C3, for example, is pretty awful terrain for Sniper

#

Sniper is more sustained, HEL Auto is burst clear

wheat gate
#

burst should at least aim for the bubble smh

#

the worst thing is that burst cant even stagger them

minor fractal
#

They're kind of a janky pseudo-modded enemy, so their head is "removed" by making it really really tiny

#

which means sentries aim at the tiny head instead of the bubble

wheat gate
#

ic lol

#

thats funny

minor fractal
#

This is also why Sniper sometimes just straight whiffs

prime cliff
#

where is shotgun sentry viable

digital mural
#

Nowhere

prime cliff
#

is there a particular level where it is actually a potential good pick tho

ocean spindle
#

not rlly

#

when u wanna take shotgun, u just take hel auto sentry

wheat gate
#

yea hel auto is kinda just better than shotgun at everything

pseudo coral
#

If im real, any shotgun other than the scattergun is kinda cheeks

#

But i havent used others due to bad experiences as well

wheat gate
#

woah woah

rapid warren
#

nah

ocean spindle
wheat gate
#

u cant diss scattergun like that

rapid warren
#

combat shotgun, hel shotgun are good

#

and choke mod

fathom ice
#

shotguns are ass

rapid warren
#

:(

fathom ice
#

i havent used others

ocean spindle
#

all the other shotguns exceptin choke and slug are from great to one of the best in the game

pseudo coral
#

Im saying scatter is good asf

fathom ice
#

okay

prime cliff
#

only automatic weapons in this game

rapid warren
pseudo coral
#

Scatter is the only useful shotgun in the game

wheat gate
#

idk what slug shotgun is for tbh

pseudo coral
#

It 1 shots big black guys

rapid warren
wheat gate
#

choke i at least understand what its for

#

its kinda like a high-high-cal

ocean spindle
#

what

prime cliff
#

sawed off is beyond broken hello?

ocean spindle
#

that too

pseudo coral
wheat gate
#

yea all those shotguns are really good

ocean spindle
rapid warren
#

i thought u meant all shotguns

#

lol

#

Hackett_Heart hel shawty

ocean spindle
#

in both categories theres one shotty that just shoots for the ceiling

pseudo coral
#

Dog when i tried some shotties i was in their throat and they didnt take hardly no damage

rapid warren
#

i just wished the damn red scope wasnt bright af

#

when i play on hdr, i literally cant see shi thru the scope

wheat gate
#

yea hel shotgun scope is like

#

what

ocean spindle
rapid warren
#

only grudge, otherwise its good, quick reload

#

and i dont need to aim šŸ¤¤

wheat gate
#

to be fair if ur shooting a single striker with hel shotgun at mid range

#

ur gonna take half a clip to kill

ocean spindle
#

so u dont do that ksdmkms

rapid warren
#

yea

#

its for crowd control

pseudo coral
rapid warren
#

šŸ˜µā€šŸ’«

ocean spindle
#

u dont shoot a scattergun at more than 5 meters at anything

ocean spindle
pseudo coral
#

No scatter is only good close

ocean spindle
#

nah

rapid warren
ocean spindle
#

i think theres a guide ein [[R1D1]]

gray rapidsBOT
wheat gate
rapid warren
ocean spindle
#

its short but sweet

pseudo coral
rapid warren
digital mural
#

R1D1 guide:
Run bio

Profit

rapid warren
#

9 shots from the hel shotgun to kill

ocean spindle
gray rapidsBOT
ocean spindle
#

oops

#

its not called thatt

#

check [[R1D1#Strategy]]

gray rapidsBOT
ocean spindle
#

there

rapid warren
#

its like 180 something for the entire 14 shots

ocean spindle
#

that one works

fathom ice
#

amount of cope I see in this chat is diabolical

rapid warren
#

šŸ™

ocean spindle
digital mural
#

ok speedrunner

fathom ice
#

both are incorrect

prime cliff
#

speedr*nner

ocean spindle
pseudo coral
#

Yo slendo, how come it says sentries kill the shadow guys

#

But ours never shoot

ocean spindle
digital mural
pseudo coral
#

YO WHAT

digital mural
#

Bio is a must have through the whole game

pseudo coral
#

FUCKKKK

wheat gate
#

your pinger sucks i guess

ocean spindle
#

which bio is kinda a necessity in every single mission so

rapid warren
#

or shine a flashlight

pseudo coral
#

never use bio bcuz we clear easily

rapid warren
#

or throw glow sticks

ocean spindle
digital mural
wheat gate
#

nah i dont think bio is neccesary for entire game
it is neccesary for shadow heavy levels tho

digital mural
#

It's a must have

ocean spindle
pseudo coral
#

Ill say rn that bio hasnt been useful like at all

digital mural
#

It's the only way to know where and how many enemies are in your area

digital mural
ocean spindle
#

bio is about the best tool on the game cuz it gives u a lot of information, spaawn directions, scout numbers, amount of enemies

digital mural
#

By far

rapid warren
#

i might forgor

wheat gate
#

they need the ping

pseudo coral
#

I just beep my long range flashlight super quick n that works normally

digital mural
#

Exo is schizo texting again

fathom ice
#

did you know u can press left click with bio in hands

#

if enemy is up

ocean spindle
#

even when dealing with chargers (the c2 enemies) u can tell wheere they are cuz they are dark

rapid warren
#

yo some1 in p*bs lied to me then

civic wave
#

bio speeds up stealth but isn't necessitated for it, yes

ocean spindle
rapid warren