gtfo-related-questions

[ocean spindle]

holy shit

well good luck, uh for e1 im actually not so sure about high cal then

considering its the surge leveel

maybe a combat shotgun instead

[steep ivy]

alright, weirdly enough i have most trouble with 1st and 2nd scan compared to the 3rd within the fog

[ocean spindle]

enemies spawn way too far for the third

understandable

[steep ivy]

and also the fact there is that ladder they can be forced to go down so you can just place auto behind it and no enemies annoy you

[ocean spindle]

autto sentry my beloved [only for this and a r8 mission]

[steep ivy]

i love 3 hitting giants with spear

[ocean spindle]

me doing that with hammer:

[steep ivy]

well i'm used to just getting bodied all the time

[ocean spindle]

i would love to have bodies around me too :3
i mean uh yes shure spear good for big but bad at combat

[steep ivy]

when i am more comfortable and familiar with the game/combat i'll probs swap to hammer

for big shooters/hybrids is it better to avoid hitting the head/go for arms/legs?

[ocean spindle]

i would still go for the head for the damage
either way hybrids are not very dangerous witth their melee

but with theeir normal attack

well the back of thee head for dmg

[steep ivy]

so hug hybrids got it

[ocean spindle]

with care dont eat damage either

:b

[steep ivy]

avoid death, now that's something i never thought of

[minor fractal]

Super depends, usually you want back head as an opener

as that's the most damage you can do in a single hit

[steep ivy]

so head and then other limbs for stagger?

[minor fractal]

Yeah

[ocean spindle]

yeeh

shure

[minor fractal]

You play for back damage, limb breaks keep the giant from reacting

[steep ivy]

alright i'm slowly getting it, will get better with practice

[steep ivy]

for some reason today had no luck, within 4.5 hours furthest i got was making it into the fog room but dying cos stupid scout/enemy spawn and got overrun

[safe cradle]

what map are you doing again?

[steep ivy]

R2E1

[safe cradle]

ah, good luck

[oak lake]

I j got to r2e1

[steep ivy]

3rd or 4th attempt died because couldn't find generator to put cell in to access zone 605

[oak lake]

beat d2 rn w 2 guys from lfg

[grizzled patrol]

With 3 Bots? Playing easy Mode i see

[steep ivy]

you right, if i really want a challenge i should do it solo

and only melee

no tool

[grizzled patrol]

Solo is still fine. Playing with 3 randos is the real deal

Especially when at least 1 is a beginner

[steep ivy]

so long as i can communicate to them i would prefer them to ai

[grizzled patrol]

They will listen. Surely

[keen path]

3 randoms no mics no headphones only ingame communication wheel

have fun

[steep ivy]

"pick up your deployables" experiecne

[grizzled patrol]

No

[ionic crypt]

Trying to see if I can't get a friend to play the game with me, but I'd have to get it for them if so. Would anyone randomly know if the game has ever been in a Humble Choice at some point? 😬

[grizzled patrol]

Tf is a Humble choice

[civic wave]

humble bundle maybe?

[ionic crypt]

HumbleBundle, but subscription-thingy, you pay like $10 a month and get some 10-12 games. Kinda like a mystery box

[civic wave]

not sure it has, but it's often on a large discount nowadays

[patent mulch]

It’s got to around 60% discouts up to now I think

[inner inlet]

Bro just steal the source code and have your friend compile it🤯

[burnt inlet]

I bought it at 12 usd so yanno it’s not that bad

[steep ivy]

yeah i was able to get it for 25ish on sale

[grizzled patrol]

Ahoy matey!

[ionic crypt]

Ah, so being a broke ass student it'd probs be better to hold out till the next sale then

[steep ivy]

or become an e-kitten (if over age)

[civic wave]

ya, definitely

[inner inlet]

No not piracy, thats for babys, steal the source code of gtfo and compile it

[patent mulch]

They happen every 2 months or so? I forgot

[ionic crypt]

Why steal when you can just recreate it :D

[grizzled patrol]

GTFO 2 would be crazy

[steep ivy]

why steal the declaration of indepance when you can just steal it

[inner inlet]

Becaus we are thiefs, not unemployed

[ionic crypt]

Oh

[patent mulch]

next one i'd say is in around 10 days actually

[ionic crypt]

But yeah, I can see on isthereanydeal that it goes on sale quite often for quite a bit. I'll just try to remember and see if I can't pack it in between my exams. Thanks^^<33

[patent mulch]

These damned farm merge valley addicts

[inner inlet]

Istg if i see fmv one more time im gona hack gtfo and make every mission r1c1😡

[wheat gate]

bots can actually be pretty good at stealthing giants if you can figure out how to position them

bcos pretty much anything bots do can't wake enemies (including moving/shooting)

[inner inlet]

Bot are realy good at r1c1 too btw🎣

[wheat gate]

its just really annoying trying to get them into melee range of a giant

[safe cradle]

Single giants sure

Two giants super close to each other, eh

Most cases I'd rather bonk 1 then shoot both

If it's me and bots

[wheat gate]

i got pretty good at getting bots to stealth kill giants in r5c1 lol

as long as your first hit doesnt wake, bots wont wake things

[tardy ingot]

bots cant wake things

its more likely theyll just die

[ocean spindle]

what does "first hit doesnt wake" mean even

if u hit something it wakes up

im not getting something ksmdkm

[wheat gate]

u wont wake the second giant is what i mean

[ocean spindle]

ohhhh

no yeah bots just never do that

bots dont wake things up in general ever

[wheat gate]

yea lol they can just get slapped, but if they're close enough the melee kill is very reliable i find
its just incredibly cringe trying to get the bots to stand close enough

they never go where u want them

[tardy ingot]

well

if you dont count the funny version of it yes

[wheat gate]

its not funny bro

i was not having fun

[tardy ingot]

its a pretty damn good level

[wheat gate]

thank god i wont have to enter the log room again

[grizzled patrol]

ever since R8 not anymore

[inner inlet]

The tutorial had a unique tole set?

[ocean lance]

not the tole set

[grizzled patrol]

tbh all of the rooms are unique, only the spaghetty ceiling room and the extract get reused

[grizzled patrol]

you have to pay a set of tolls

[ocean lance]

damn I leave for a day and gtfo is already p2w

[wheat gate]

yep every door takes a toll to open unless u break them

if u break too many the collector will come after u

[split rock]

whats some good beginner loadouts? Been quite liking PDW + Hel Rifle + C-Foam + Knife

my mates usually bring a Sniper Turret, HEL Auto Turret and a Bio Tracker and we feel like Tool-wise these work for us however weapon-wise we arent really sure of what to go and only I really have a set gun loadout

[burnt inlet]

this tbh

[burnt inlet]

"just use the three OP ass weapons" 🤓 👆

[ocean spindle]

weapon wise for now u can just experiment, try out all the guns, see wat u like and what u dont, and then if u need u can start going for more meta weapons but first have fun with it ksmdkm

on tools i could say the same, but if u want like tips, foam without mines is quite underwhelming, although for practically all of r1 (excepting A1) 3 sentries is about thee best

once u get into r2 and beyond mines + foam combo is very very useful depending on the mission

omg my internet >:[

[split rock]

are all the sentries okay?

[ocean spindle]

uhh no
sentries vary a lot, like hel auto as its description states is a stagger sentry mostly, without damage but stopping power- which for most levels its not as needed

sniper- well it works for very big enemies and long range rooms, but u probs havent seen a lot of those as r1 doesnt have many

burst seems 'not special' but u can guess its about the all rounder

[grizzled patrol]

shotgun sentry is the best

[ocean spindle]

as always blockin malefic keeps being the best newie option ksmdkm

[split rock]

lmao

[burnt inlet]

nah but fr burst sentry is kinda like the hammer of sentries

jack of all trades

[split rock]

whats good weapons for giants? as the one we on rn seems to have like loads of giants that love to pair up together so we cant find a way to melee them

[burnt inlet]

hel rifle for u specifically

[ocean spindle]

ur hel rifle is gaming

butt u should also learn to melee them ksdmm

[split rock]

we can usually melee them as a 4 just not when they like to be so close to each other haha

no clue if we doing the melee properly or not but its been working

[ocean spindle]

if it workin it workin

u can practice, check for patterns etc etc and if u struggle search up stuff

that's a thing i guess too if at any point u feel extremely stuck or confused of something, no shame on searching on the wiki or asking

cuz this game is very unhelpful sometimes kdmskd

[split rock]

so far I usually just take headshot with knife while the other 3 slap it from behind

also im not sure if its just cuz we in R1 so far but should we be going out of our way to scrounge up more resources by doing all the locked doors or just focusing more on the objective?

as so far it seems like our most frequent deaths are from over-exploring

[placid sky]

it depends honestly

like r1d1 wants u to go side zones for example to grab resources

but it's not necessary if you've played well

[ocean spindle]

pro gaming tip u can use the terminal to figure out that too

not gonna say how but u can

teehee

[burnt inlet]

slight command knowledge moment

[tardy ingot]

going into areas for no reason is generally not the best play
as slendi said, use the terminal and figure out if you need to go there.
then if you are low on res, check if its worthwhile to go there (tradeoff of time/res spent/potential alarm)

@split rock overall
regarding weapons, you can check this discord channel a bunch #guides-and-reviews message

Theres loads of spoiler free guides aswell (for stealth, how to play faster, how to use terminals, how to avoid getting hit etc)

[split rock]

been using the terminal a lot but we usually exploring for artifacts and i dont think they show on terminal

im usually the only one using the terminal as others cant be bothered using it and just have me tell them the info and ping stuff haha

[civic wave]

another soul succumbs to the hunt for boosters

[tardy ingot]

yeaa.. artifacts/boosters arent rly part of the intended game experience (as in they arent considered for the design or balance of levels, weapons, enemies etc)

similarly to consumables they dont show up in terms

[grizzled patrol]

surely not knowing the terminal wont bite you in the ass

[tardy ingot]

get them to at least become used to handling one. It will be VERY VERY helpful later down the line

(especially considering how simple they are)

[split rock]

honestly my fav part of the terminals is the logs haha, my mates go crazy when I get them to wait while im reading them all

[grizzled patrol]

i hate peeps who HAVE to read it before completing the full team scan

[split rock]

i usually wait until we finish the area then read them but they just wanna go off and kill stuff haha

[ocean spindle]

reading lore my beloved

:3

[burnt inlet]

yessir

[split rock]

oh yea also

melee weapons

[tardy ingot]

Hammer

[safe cradle]

hammer

[split rock]

is it just a range thing?

[tardy ingot]

sometimes knife if fancy

[split rock]

or is there like armoured enemies where ya want a blunt weapon?

[safe cradle]

you're eventually gonna have to pick hammer so just get used to hammer

[tardy ingot]

theres multiple different stats and thus breakpoints or advantages/disadvantages

[split rock]

as my go to is usually knife

[ocean lance]

that'd be sick

[tardy ingot]

knife is small clear focused niche

[ocean lance]

if blunt weapons was a thing

[tardy ingot]

hammer does that decently well too and everything else

[ocean lance]

gtfo but it's rpg

[tardy ingot]

gtfo single player horror game ala dead space

easy plug for that mechanic lakana

would go hard

[split rock]

unlike my mates who come from shooters I come from mmorpgs and jrpgs etc. so whenever I see melee weapons seperated like this, my 1st thought is blunt is gonna be better for armour enemies and sharps for less armoured haha

[tardy ingot]

in an obscure way that isnt even rly wrong

tho obviously not how it actually works

knife has a ton of multipliers (precision aka headcrits, sleeping, back multi)

[ocean lance]

based mmorpg

used to play ffxiv

[split rock]

ffxiv is my main game

[ocean lance]

peak

i stopped years ago at end of endwalker

didn't play dt

[split rock]

been playing it coming up to 6yrs now

[ocean lance]

wasn't really interested

[split rock]

so far my understanding is knife is better for if ya have to take down the small enemies quietly and theres like 2 together ya can usually kill them both

spear for range

hammer for giants

i dont really see why ya would ever go bat

[tardy ingot]

hammer for everything*

[grizzled patrol]

Bat is for Giants, spear is for collecting dust

[tardy ingot]

bat has stagger (which makes recovering mistakes easier but is pretty meh) and environmental multi (which means it breaks locks with a tap and breaks doors just as fast tapping as charging... lol)

spear range (and precision multi) sadly doesnt rly matter in most cases

[little pilot]

spear: never
hammer: most of the time
knife: smalls black hole
bat: break lock black hole

[tardy ingot]

spear: for funny boss melee kills*

[split rock]

i tried hammer and just didnt like how slow it felt, same with spear, bat felt meh, only knife felt like I could use it for clearing stealthly when there is multiple around (cant trust my mates not to somehow mess up their melee)

[tardy ingot]

you gotta pre charge hammer when moving around

[grizzled patrol]

Hammer can 1 Tap with light melee If you Strike at the Back of the head

[tardy ingot]

this is honestly such a big mistake beginners do (aka moving, usually even crouching, up to an enemy and THEN charging instead of charging and then moving to insta kill)

[tardy ingot]

only for shooters, for strikers you need min charge)

[grizzled patrol]

[little pilot]

classic malefic missinfo

gotta love it

[tardy ingot]

hammer just does soo much, since the game is kinda designed around how it works

[tardy ingot]

genuinely, check the guides and reviews channel out if you are interested/have questions
(tho we are typically down to answer them here aswell, just ignore malefic and kind)

[split rock]

i think i just enjoy knife for being able to move around and kill multiple quickly which with hammer felt like I couldnt

[tardy ingot]

hammer can be quite nimble and fast when killing smalls, but takes more knowledge in breakpoints

knife is just, charge -> stab x repeat

[grizzled patrol]

#gtfo-media message

[split rock]

wait thats why ya called malefic

i should have instantly noticed ya pfp was malefic world but the trash can around it hid it haha

[grizzled patrol]

i fucking love MW

the archetype is trash tho

perfect combo yk

[split rock]

yea it hasnt been good in a while

[grizzled patrol]

*never

lmao

rank 10 spam was kinda fun on new support release

[split rock]

nah malefic was good like 12yrs ago

it could make a pretty decent stun deck

[grizzled patrol]

it was just Necrovalley with Malefic stardust protecting it

i mean the archetype as a whole, by themselves they were ok depending on the deck (2 of the cards to be exact)

[split rock]

how does the small ones actually work?

like sometimes ya melee one and nobody else wakes up even tho they stood right next to them, yet sometimes we melee one and another halfway across the room wakes up for no apparent reason

even when they werent even pulsing when we melee'ed

[minor fractal]

Start of the glow animation counts as glowing

So if you didn't sync, a glow can start w/ basically no visual warning and can long range

[near spear]

Hello guys! We were playing gtfo and trying to finish R6CX for the whole week! But every time we teleporting to zone_0 to do 3 terminals UPLINK_CONNECT we cannot go further the second terminal. No matter how many ammo or health we have we always just can't take so many incoming mobs at all. Is there any tips to survive in zone_0?

[minor fractal]

Consider doing bottom, top, middle

Middle can break pathing, and if you do it second you get a big build up of enemies that hit at once

[wild flare]

isnt top-middle-bottom better?

[near spear]

I dont fully understand, there will be less mobs? Most of a times we get killed on a way to aecond terminal even cant start connect

[minor fractal]

That might just be a skill issue. Hard to say what's going on w/out video or a replay.

It's a lot of enemies, but it is standard kill while moving

don't get stuck in one place, etc.

[near spear]

We use c-foam, biotrecker, two hel sentries and two techman arbalist machine guns and two drekker del snipers, is this loadout good?

[minor fractal]

You might want triple burst instead

especially if you aren't placing for back damage

I assume you mean PR?

[grizzled patrol]

drekker sniper? choke scattergun?

[near spear]

Burst turret better then hel turret?

[near spear]

What is pr?

[minor fractal]

Precision Rifle

[near spear]

Yes we use drekker del p1 sniper rifle

[ocean spindle]

dont use manufacturer names, theres like 2 3 drekkers i believe

[near spear]

And two techman arbalist V

[ocean spindle]

the mgs are the only exception cuz theres 2 of them

[minor fractal]

Arbalist is not great, and you probably only need one PR

[near spear]

It is bad? We assumed that it is good to kill flying enemies

[near spear]

Then if not arbalist?

[minor fractal]

Combat Shotgun, Revo, or HEL Gun

PR is fine for big flyer kill

[near spear]

Revo you mean mastaba r66?

[minor fractal]

Everyone uses the common names, generally.

[near spear]

Sorry I play on other language I dont know common names(

[minor fractal]

Ah

Yes, it's mastaba

[grizzled patrol]

more so about typing out the entire name

[minor fractal]

but for regular flyer, Omneco EXP1, Shelling Arid 5, TR22 Hanaway, and Bataldo 3RB are generally better flyer answers

[placid sky]

what about slug

[minor fractal]

Slug is pretty good flyer kill

Better wave clear is Omneco EXP1, Buckland AF6, Mastaba R66

[near spear]

Ok I think we will try it. But what about sentries?

[minor fractal]

Are you aware of HEL Auto back damage, and do you ever use it?

[near spear]

Back damage? You mean that it can damage multiple enemies at one time?

[minor fractal]

No, HEL Auto specifically has a bug where it receives the flanking bonus as a sentry.

which gives it unusually good killing power

Consider just using 3x burst sentry (Mechatronic SGB3), it's impossible to go wrong with it and burst sentry is very strong.

[near spear]

Is it really burst sentry better then hel?

[minor fractal]

Standard use of HEL Auto is very bad.

It's not a good sentry from front

It's good in specific places where you have tool to burn and just need a sentry that will full clear an encounter for you.

So very strong in speeds, R2E1, and to some extent in solo.

I'd run it in R4C3 tbh

It is also good as a special answer in the rare case that Sniper Sentry has no good placement options

Which is R4C3 specifically

[wheat gate]

its very good for certain alarms where u care more about stagger than killing
but it can also kill pretty well if u place it right

its very hard to place right tho

[minor fractal]

Godlander, you think BC is bad on bots.

[wheat gate]

i thought it was not as versatile as just running machine gun

[minor fractal]

Having a stagger sentry is almost never worthwhile

[wheat gate]

iirc hel auto is the only sentry with back multiplier now

i remember seeing a hel auto shred a group of chargers on a weird slope where they like to hang around

[minor fractal]

Yeah, but it's not a stagger sentry

If you place it for back, it's a kill sentry

it solos waves

If you place it forward-facing as a stagger sentry, or if it didn't have back damage in general, it does less for more tool, which makes it just bad compared to burst (and Sniper in most cases)

[wheat gate]

i still think forward facing can b useful for like surges or solo holds
but yea ofc ur right burst is just better 90+% of the time. its too hard to use hel auto correctly

[minor fractal]

It's entirely a myth that stagger is "good" on surges for purposes of stalling.

[wheat gate]

huh

[minor fractal]

You buy more time if you kill an enemy, which sends them back to wherever they spawn

[wheat gate]

i remember having some success basically just moving the sentry the entire time for team scans

basically sacrifice tool slot instead of carrying hel auto pistol, and get to use a better primary

[minor fractal]

You can just not use sentries on surges, tho

[wheat gate]

foam def better if thers a good spot for it

[civic wave]

i feel that this is pretty redundant, having 2 guns and 3 teammates stagger shouldn't be awful to come by

[ocean spindle]

helautopiss is a great primary

regardless of the sentrry

piss :3

my beloved

[wheat gate]

i find it hard to use lol
i think if u can keep hitting heads its got actually good ammo efficiency per kill too, but thats too hard for me

[tardy ingot]

@minor fractal ?

tgb is also saying they are borked

as in r5e1 has you open doors that dont instantly lead to time gain

its basically false splits

[minor fractal]

I'm not sure how true that is, we always open class III after alarm.

[sturdy glen]

I see the problem

[tardy ingot]

one time you dont -> split is gone

[sturdy glen]

how 2 fix

[minor fractal]

Idk if any of the example logs are in reverse order, is the thing

[tardy ingot]

any log with different strats

etc

reverse order?

[minor fractal]

they're all hot logs

[tardy ingot]

it doesnt check which door

it just checks any door

[minor fractal]

Ik

I'm saying I don't think class III has ever been left closed in the logs

[sturdy glen]

doesnt matter

[tardy ingot]

(also tgb uses your logs too, but merges the splits where doors can lead to issues)

[little pilot]

it is possible to bork all hot logs because of cell movement

[tardy ingot]

like you go from 2nd sec door to error door (ignoring alarm time open for example)

[little pilot]

you gotta merge like almost all splits from the error portion even if the class 3 door was open insta

[sturdy glen]

I can find more logs with good runs if you want

[little pilot]

send them to me and ill check them out rn

[civic wave]

mfw the technology has issues to deal with for calculating splits and doing it by hand would bypass the issue (should stuff be available)

humanity wins again

[sturdy glen]

yeye, one sec

[minor fractal]

If you wanted minimal splits, I think it'd be...

Error -> Charger open

Charger open -> giant alarm open

[little pilot]

even with that u can fuck it up, in our case frosty didnt insta open door so scout gets closer

but during that we already started cell path

[minor fractal]

But that's time loss

Straight up

[little pilot]

no it isnt

cause cell doesnt stop

[minor fractal]

It's not an illegitimate split, it's just time loss.

[little pilot]

if cell doesnt stop it is a legitimate split

[minor fractal]

Oh, for split specifically

[little pilot]

cell is the timegate from class 3 door open all the way to giant alarm

[tardy ingot]

I wish we just had gotten a good cell man

instant mid 14 min run

worst cell is crazy rng

[little pilot]

for run as well, as long as cell does not stop in hub or charger zone it doesnt matter how slow the 2 clearing hub zone are

[civic wave]

such is the experience of speedrunning

if the rng was better then the run would've been faster - but that's not the run you rolled so go next

[lone mortar]

Its been a while, how do you play E2 again?

Im tryna do it with some friends again

[digital mural]

Scattergun = easy game

[lone mortar]

Im not that brain dead

[rapid warren]

short rifle

op

[wheat gate]

idk i like my hel rifle for those nightmares

[grizzled patrol]

sniper rifle 1 taps to the body without the tumor

just sayin

[digital mural]

Yeaaaaaah

I'm not so sure about that one

Jk

[rapid warren]

hear me out

give the sniper a 30 round fast firing clip buff

lowk needed buff

[ocean spindle]

shure gimme a job at 10c ill make it happen

[steep ivy]

you first need goats blood and a newborn to sacrifice

[rapid warren]

oh yea i rember doing that

my team performed an exorcism first tho

[steep ivy]

oh damn, going the risky route

[civic wave]

if you're coming for my blood you better bring a trained phlebotomist with you

[steep ivy]

imma pretend like i know what that word means

[civic wave]

phlebotomist is someone who's trained to draw blood

[ocean spindle]

i draw blood
mostly on digital tho drawin liquids with a pencil is hard

[civic wave]

idk if drawing blood with a pencil is hard

dependent on how hard you can stab yourself

[steep ivy]

could someone help me look over some of my gameplay from yesterday and tell me what i was doing wrong?

other than simple stuff like missing shots/not hitting weakpoints etc

[ocean spindle]

hacks into ur pc

[ocean spindle]

it doesnt stick to it very well

[steep ivy]

i was gonna stream it dw

[minor fractal]

Post

[steep ivy]

i have a full twitch vod with multiple attempts

[steep ivy]

#gtfo-media message

[prime musk]

are you looking for macro or micro advice

[steep ivy]

any

however, it's mainly the hybrids during 2nd scan that's annoying me

[ocean spindle]

wash ur dishes right after eating pasta, the sauce sticks in just a few minutes and it gets hard to clean

[steep ivy]

i at least make sure to rinse/soak dishes that'll be a pain later

[ocean spindle]

good

[prime musk]

i really mean this in the nicest way possible

but i think the main issue is that you're not shooting good

i obv haven't watched even close to all of it but seeing first surge was tragic

[steep ivy]

what exactly is needing work? locking onto targets? weakpoints?

[prime musk]

your target prio is off badly, you should play for stagger on the horde and prioritise those in the process of attacking you

[steep ivy]

explains why i take a lot of damage

[prime musk]

you should also just up your fov

[steep ivy]

having fov zoomed too far out makes me feel unwell which is why i have it low

[digital mural]

I saw some seconds of melee combat and spear is holding you back a bit

[keen path]

FOV doesnt matter some speedrunners play at low FOV

[prime musk]

objectively wrong

[minor fractal]

No, lmao

First of all

[prime musk]

seeing more and hearing more is just invaluable

[steep ivy]

alright, i'll try hammer time

[minor fractal]

I don't know if any speedrunners play at default FoV

But even if you play at a moderate FoV, there are very clear downsides to doing so

[frail heart]

quad does?

if not close

[digital mural]

Quad is a special case

[frail heart]

and he lost the speedrunning comp

[digital mural]

Licker slander

😔

[steep ivy]

i'll try slowly adjusting fov see if it helps

[digital mural]

90 fov is the sweet spot for a lot of people

[frail heart]

i used 90 for a while then went to 100

[minor fractal]

Max FoV gives you shoot res, for example

Where-as 90, you can't really shoot res

[digital mural]

Yeah but 120 can mess with some people

Like me

[frail heart]

its all preference

but i think under 90 it start to "impede" gameplay

[digital mural]

I will never know why GTFO has extremely low fov by default

[keen path]

this is how u get advice here

[digital mural]

[minor fractal]

You make very real sacrifices if you play non-max

It's just whether you care about them or not

[patent mulch]

I just looked at the first 2 times you did the first alarm and I’m pretty sure it is possible to basically skip the ladder by jumping down then catching it halfway down and then jumping back off the ladder

[minor fractal]

No or very scuffed shoot rez, less visual information, I think audio culling might be better on higher FoV also

[digital mural]

Reviving while shooting

[wheat gate]

the only upside to low fov is that a bigger portion of ur screen is lit up by flashlight lol

[upper ginkgo]

framerate on low fov is better :)

[frail heart]

Maybe get a gpu better than an rtx 660

[oak lake]

i play 4k 80-100 fps with 100 fov on max settings

any more fov and it messes w my aim but the shoot rez is very real and the only downside i feel on lower than 120

[lone mortar]

Thanks, remind me to also bring the baptismal audience so theyd get blessed to

[steep ivy]

"alexa set an alarm named "bring witness"

hammer can 1-hit scouts right?

[prime musk]

to head yes

[steep ivy]

alrighty, hammer practice time

what's a good mission to practice scouts? and how can you tell what your ping is in game?

[prime musk]

get one of the practice mods

[steep ivy]

i don't even know how

[steep ivy]

is it possible to kill giants with hammer without them screaming? i'm either too aggressive and die or not aggressive enough and they scream

[minor fractal]

Modlist has ping.

Good scout levels are R8C1, R7D1 Overload, there's an R7B1 checkpoint you can set up w/ some effort (you ignore 3 scouts to reach a checkpoint and then backtrack for them), R4B3 has a decent number of scouts in Secondary, R5B1/R2C1/R2E1 have scouts that are easy to reach nearby.

[minor fractal]

Yes, you have to undercharge w/ back damage to get limb breaks

[steep ivy]

roughly how much charge?

[minor fractal]

~70% iirc

[steep ivy]

alrighty them

[minor fractal]

might be higher, I go by muscle memory

But you mostly just swing when the stagger animation is about to end

[steep ivy]

can you avoid knocking enemies into walls?

[steep ivy]

this single bit of info helped a lot thanks

[prime musk]

they stagger in the direction you hit them in

but some stagger animations (shadow giants and chargers/big chargers) are very fucked

[steep ivy]

makes sense

can shadow giants be crouched down? or is that something else

[prime musk]

yes

shadow giants have 3 variants given by their stance when sleeping

[steep ivy]

also, is it normal for a single hit to do 40%?

[prime musk]

giant melee deals 40% yes

it can also hit twice (one hitbox on each of its hands)

[steep ivy]

that's horrifying

[errant dome]

shadow giants do be scary

[steep ivy]

real especially when at 20% (and not having actual person on bio-tracker

[prime musk]

learn 10m rule

and then play burst cannon

if you wanna feel really safe in shadow zone

[steep ivy]

safety? OSHA? what's that?

can scattergun not 1 shot big shooters?

[errant dome]

what graphics do you play with?

[steep ivy]

low fog everything else max

[minor fractal]

It can, it's just annoying

Easier on hybrids or w/ back

[errant dome]

i think u need all pellets to hit upfront

[prime musk]

you don\t

[steep ivy]

was so confused when 2 big shooters in a row surivived but died to a single carbine bullet each

[prime musk]

they have 140 hp

you can miss 3 pellets point blank i believe

[minor fractal]

150

[errant dome]

i thought it was 150

[minor fractal]

You can miss 0 pellets

[errant dome]

ya

[sturdy glen]

new hp just dropped

[errant dome]

xd

[sturdy glen]

chickens nerfed

(they need it)

[prime musk]

wait which fucking enemy is it that has 140

[sturdy glen]

none

[steep ivy]

so that's what people mean by chicken

[prime musk]

have i hallucinated a 140hp big

[errant dome]

(yes)

[prime musk]

wtf man

[minor fractal]

4 p sure

[prime musk]

might be 4, i just differentiate between shooterstance, kneeling over, and not those

[tardy ingot]

4?

Crouching (hybrid)
Standing (giant)
„leaning“ (chicken)

Which am I forgetting

[minor fractal]

Standing chicken

[ripe hamlet]

I thought you didn’t need back damage

If you keep abusing limb break (15 hp) you don’t need the back damage as long as you do ~75% charge

[frail heart]

“Without them screaming”

[steep ivy]

this gonna send me to looney bin

[native sun]

(Getting hit multiple times is completely unrelated to the two hitboxes. You can get hit once every 0.5 seconds (regardless of which hitbox you're hit by))

[native sun]

10 meter rule mentioned so here is that: https://youtu.be/iGiC9xU-a3E?si=ET7j9OzaOOqDc2Ce

Re: FoV @keen path @steep ivy
https://youtu.be/yvvJoVMlxM4?si=MLDYvG8pVyZYaqLB

[native sun]

It's 89% for front limb break
64% for back limb break (but you have time to charger to about 75% during a stagger)
(For hammer)

[steep ivy]

will slowly work on increasing fov

[native sun]

High FoV is Very Strong but also enjoy the game however you want and avoid high FoV if it makes game unpleasant

[steep ivy]

only makes me sick cos not used to it

[runic roost]

Bros about to play through magnifying glasses

[steep ivy]

wouldn't it be inverse magnifying glasses?

[runic roost]

On high fov yeah, but with default its basically that

I feel like 100 is easy to get used to, anything higher throws me abit off

[steep ivy]

keep in mind, 200ish hours on like 80

[runic roost]

Lawd

80’s still good

But I bet increasing that is gonna make the flashlight look like it downgraded from duracell to energizer batteries from your pov

[steep ivy]

that's why doing it slowly

[runic roost]

Just raw dog it and max it out for a few levels

[steep ivy]

currently doing R2E1 so not right now

[runic roost]

LOL

[steep ivy]

with 3 new born children (bots)

[runic roost]

rest in pieces

[steep ivy]

i have already, many many many many times

[runic roost]

Why bots tho, just cuz?

[steep ivy]

every i've level beaten so far (except R2D2 all my homies hate R2D2) has been with bots, why stop now

[runic roost]

@burnt inlet found your soulmate

[steep ivy]

i'm not a lamp though

[runic roost]

Oh wrong guy

There we go

Love r2d2

Hate r6bx

[burnt inlet]

R2D2 isn’t bad tbh lmao but R2D1 I hate

All my homies hate R2D1

[steep ivy]

i just hate it cos bots

[burnt inlet]

That’s the neat part

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[burnt inlet]

@uneven kiln, two dudes and I got a really comfy run and it’s quite fun once you know how to play it

[keen path]

Please dont tag me. I literally said that to rouse up people here

[frail heart]

Cope

[proud socket]

I wish end of round stats were a thing so that you can see who killed most sleepers, dealt most damage, dealt friendly fire damage etc.

[frail heart]

mods

use replay

and be host

you get a shit tonne of stats

[proud socket]

👍 ty

Will it disable steam achievements if I install it?

[noble sierra]

No

[ocean spindle]

what to de r8d2 terminals truly do?
i've heard they either stop enemy spawns when asking for the lights on 41, or that they can even affect stuff way farther ahead like the dual scan?

so which one is it

[burnt inlet]

Neither 🥸

[topaz anvil]

at the very least they do reduce how many spawns happen per wave in the power recovery section

[ocean spindle]

i think one of them prevents a tank from spawnin but idk if it's a collaborative thing or one specific terminal

[frail heart]

yeah the storage zone or whatever does that

[steep ivy]

my main question is, despite my screaming "what the fuck do i do?" "what am i doing wrong?" why the fuck do i keep coming back and not want to play anything else

[violet laurel]

game's gud

[uneven kiln]

@frail heart R3D1 Error Timings? 🙏

[ocean spindle]

oke so each one does do a diff thing

[ocean spindle]

it be it based

[patent mulch]

well in the thing you posted in media 30 mins ago enemies were coming from the tower, probably being error enemies that spawned in a bit earlier and decided that was the quickest path. having those enemies gone would help a lot in centralising the direction enemies come from (unless im misremembering and surge enemies actually path through there even if you are at the bottom)

[frail heart]

im sppeeding

can do after

[steep ivy]

that was only the surge enemies, i was in that room for a couple minutes struggling to find that cell

is there two doors to that room before scan?

[patent mulch]

no only the 1 direction they can come from

if you can get the doors over there closed without bots being stupid it can delay the surge quite well for a lil bit

[steep ivy]

it's hard for me to even test that shit out

over the past 3 days (today being the 3rd) i've been attempting it for i would say total of 10 (minimum) hours, and only made it to error 3 times

[patent mulch]

im not a bot player so idk how good it would be but have you checked out the hel autopistol to see if it can help not having enemies inside of you during the surges

[steep ivy]

they only shoot a few shots at a time

[patent mulch]

yeah but what if on you instead, full auto isn't real good with it but quick taps to stagger on different enemies is the good way to play it, dont know if loss of sawed off is worth though because of bots being bad

[steep ivy]

i have thought about it, especially because with the sawed-off that just kills them which means they'll spawn in again immediately and say i need to move to a diff scan they might attack from a diff angle compared to the rest

[patent mulch]

it can probably help stack enemies up too for scatter bomb if i were to guess

[steep ivy]

scatter bomb?

[patent mulch]

idk left click

[steep ivy]

oh thought it was some hidden tech where you turn it into an explosive

[patent mulch]

pew death ray

[sudden nexus]

have you tried hel shotgun?

good for group stagger

[patent mulch]

why cant we have grenades 😔

[sudden nexus]

can combine with scatter for good multikills

[patent mulch]

i forgot hel shotgun exist cause i dont like to play it lol

[steep ivy]

at this point i'm willing to try anything

[patent mulch]

i dont have the hel shotgun feelies in me

[steep ivy]

i'm just wanting to see a different level but my brain is determined to beat this one

[sudden nexus]

it's def better as client but still viable as host

[digital mural]

Bp

[steep ivy]

i'll just get a bot to be host

[steep ivy]

next on the list

[patent mulch]

that's probably also a factor for me not like hel shotty because when i play im almost always host lol

assault rifle + short rifle for the win

[sudden nexus]

ar + har

[patent mulch]

freddy fazbear?!

[sudden nexus]

going for the assult chargers

[sudden nexus]

[steep ivy]

28% health should be enough to true solo class 3 surge right?

[sudden nexus]

kite ♡♡♡♡

[digital mural]

Yeah

Just don't get hit

[sudden nexus]

also are you talking about the first class 3

[steep ivy]

yeah been trying to learn how

[steep ivy]

ye

[sudden nexus]

how are you at 28% 💀

[steep ivy]

skill issue

[sudden nexus]

ong

gl tho

[patent mulch]

when the solo run just devolves into long kiting for 80% of the mission

[sudden nexus]

real

[steep ivy]

i smacked a shooter, thought it was dead went to kill another it scream entire room woke up went into other room to deal with scout, missed the head, exit to lobby

[sudden nexus]

always confirm

[steep ivy]

honestly i

i'm probs just needing a break

[sudden nexus]

so are you now doing true solo for first alarm and then bots after that?

[steep ivy]

yeah

save their health for invis and saves resources

[digital mural]

Peak GTFO gameplay

[sudden nexus]

alr

[steep ivy]

however, i am learning to just shoot giants instead of being stubborn and trying to save all resources i can thus taking unnecessary hits cos bots stagger them and make it so my hits

[burnt inlet]

does foam mines trigger on shadows?

[steep ivy]

i would assume so

[grizzled patrol]

Why Not

[patent mulch]

if normal mines work on em i wouldn't see why not

[burnt inlet]

ait

[steep ivy]

with higher FoV does that make intimidation affect larger areas?

[ocean lance]

no mines can't see the shadows unless they're pinged

so careful

[ocean spindle]

fish

[burnt inlet]

they could in fact see shadows when they werent pinged

[low radish]

shadows just dematerialize when not pinged

[ocean spindle]

i dematerialize when im not being patted

[low radish]

COME ON I JUST SAID ONE THING 😭

[low radish]

🥹

I still love machine gun

[low radish]

Nothing will change it

[little pilot]

dymus spotted

mg sticker dropped

[burnt inlet]

MG bad

[tardy ingot]

killing > staggering for surges

[ocean lance]

dw guys my 3000 qol mods will make machinegun good

[low radish]

time to change my identity

to avoid the sticker

[ocean spindle]

veruta my beloved

[low radish]

agreed

Veruta my love

[ocean spindle]

very fun fun

:3

[low radish]

I love blasting the wave

it's so fun

[burnt inlet]

MG propaganda spotted, drop the sticker

[ocean spindle]

the weak "chose meta right now!!!!!" vs the chad "i just wanna have fun"

[burnt inlet]

it isnt fun when ur unloadig 50 bullets into one enemy 🙃

[low radish]

I'm here for the fun after all

[ocean spindle]

how r u playing veruta even

[low radish]

actually you don't even need that many unless it's a tank or mother

[ocean spindle]

and if it's a mother u focus baby

not like the mother itself

[burnt inlet]

idk i just made up sum

idk why its bad

i just know that it is

[low radish]

yep

[ocean spindle]

sheep D:<

cute opinión did a vet give it to u

[burnt inlet]

cuh says that as if i aint the sheepest of them all

[ocean spindle]

damn

gonna teach u that sleepers are cute

[low radish]

they are cute

[ocean spindle]

and u will agree ⚡ ⚡

[low radish]

duh

[burnt inlet]

refeer to my tier list about that

and my copy pasta

[low radish]

You know i always wondered

how do sleepers kiss

[burnt inlet]

thats the neat part

they dont

[low radish]

like how would it even look like

I have to draw my artistic vision /j

[burnt inlet]

i guess scouts could kiss strikers

[ocean spindle]

strikers kiss french style only clearly

[low radish]

i imagine they do it with tongues

[burnt inlet]

shooters just shoot their loads at each other

[grizzled patrol]

Chat wtf

what kind of a "Gtfo-related-question" was that

[low radish]

yes

It was very important

You don't understand

[civic wave]

yeah, killing buys more time but sometimes staggering is nicer if there's a huge wave because then you get to conserve your hp

really it's just about conserving your resources

[grizzled patrol]

no

[ocean lance]

no

hybrids have 150

giants are 120

[wheat gate]

i think hybrids also have less of a dmg multiplier on head? unsure but it feels like it

[tardy ingot]

higher

2x instead of 1,5x

[ocean lance]

it's actually opposite yeah

hybrids take more

[tardy ingot]

you can, but you cant head break until they die

[tulip halo]

how do you reload faster, iv seen others do it but my reload time is much slower, is it a booster?

[tardy ingot]

you cancel a lot of reload animations once the number has actually updated (not all guns, but a lot)

you do this by just switching off when the number has updated

the typcal way to use this is to

1. swap to your other gun and shoot with it
2. shove -> swap back to the gun you just reloaded (quickest way to get back)

[wheat gate]

some guns u barely gain half a second
some guns it can cut the reload time to half or even less

[tulip halo]

seems abit complicated just to reload your gun half a second faster, the lengths gtfo players go

[wheat gate]

depends on the gun

[tulip halo]

what gun would it work well with then, just so i could practice it

[wheat gate]

i think something like hel revolver u can cut the time in half

guns like carbine already reloads so fast u dont really need to cancel

[tulip halo]

ty, hopefully i dont get caught reloading in the middle of a hoard now

[wheat gate]

u can see both full reload time and cancel time here
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Reload

gee the veruta can cut off 2.25 seconds by canceling lol, that is so much time

[ocean lance]

a second faster is so much time

considering how much you reload throughout a level

[tardy ingot]

half a second can be a lot of time when fighting
and some guns have you gain 1 or even 1,5-2 seconds which is just a crazy uptime difference

[ripe hamlet]

half a second is how you avoid getting licked

[tardy ingot]

hel revolver and shotgun are the best examples

but theres lots of others

[sudden nexus]

with how dangerous large groups are spending even just half a second less downtime can be huge

[digital mural]

Well, that half a second can make a huge difference in death or life situations

[little pilot]

FANDOM SPOTTED, rights removed

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Reload real wiki for reference

[sudden nexus]

[[Reload]]?

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Reload

[wheat gate]

woah

[digital mural]

Fandom 🤮

[wheat gate]

SEO momen

[tulip halo]

i figured that out the hard way, i went from 100 to 0 to many times to count by just reloading during an alarm, bots dont do shit to cover you

[digital mural]

Bots are decent-ish

They just need the right guns

[tulip halo]

which guns?

[digital mural]

Burst rifle/burst cannon usually

[patent mulch]

that moment when the bot tries to shoot the shotgun from across the room:

[tulip halo]

burst cannon? the ammo on that is hella low and they can easily waste it, wouldent something with a larger ammo cap be better

[digital mural]

That's the thing, they don't waste it

[little pilot]

they burst cancel perfectly

[tardy ingot]

burst cannon has a lot of ammo

[little pilot]

that's why they are good with BC

[tardy ingot]

especially since they (as tgb just said) typically shoot 1 bullet per enemy

[tulip halo]

oh, good to know

gonna try it out

[low radish]

that one extra second you can get from a reload cancel can be a lot

especially in bad situations

[little pilot]

i kinda just wanna drop a "especially on MG"

[low radish]

Yeah

Especially on it

[little pilot]

since it is literally 2.25sec

fucking\

[low radish]

It is a lot, very helpfull

[low radish]

I knew this would appear

it follows me everywhere i go

[little pilot]

i had to set it up

[low radish]

It will be my nightmare i swear

[little pilot]

cant have it feel undeserved

[low radish]

I appreciate the setup you do just for that sticker

At this point i have a feeling i am only known for being that one MG duo player lol

[little pilot]

ngl i forgot who u even duod it with

i just know u as the MG Menace

MGM

[low radish]

I duo with Flying_Frenchman

trying to duo the whole game

doing great so far actually

[low radish]

good

This is what i want to be known for lol

[tulip halo]

how far through are you?

[low radish]

50/83

R6C1 is next

[wheat gate]

i finished it recently, i cant imagine duoing r5c1
solo defending a 10 code uplink sounds terrible

[low radish]

my friend cannot play for now he is busy

[little pilot]

i should add a thing that tracks which guns u used to the logger somehow so we can see 80% MG use rate

[low radish]

Yeah i used MG everywhere except R6 because we wanna do it with randomizer for lols

Even in R4E1 i used MG lol

[low radish]

wasn't bad

[little pilot]

bro actually has 80% use rate on mg holy shit

actually deserved

moment

[low radish]

Yeah I went everywhere with it

I think i only didn't use it in R5E1 because we changed roles

I was the sniper and frenchman wanted to take MG

[low radish]

Yeah, everywhere except R5E1 and R6 so far

i did get it in R6C1

[little pilot]

of fuckin course

the MG curse strikes again

[low radish]

I remember being forced to take scatter and hel rifle by the randomizer

they felt so weird to someone who plays MG 24/7

[little pilot]

is that because u actually get kills?

[tulip halo]

lmao

[low radish]

No, because i suck at aiming

Unless i have revolver in my hands

then i just click heads for some reason

I love revolver

but sadly it's in the same slot as veruta

[little pilot]

i swear

how can u play revo

but not hel rifle

like i cant play revo for the life of me

but i can play hel rifle hel gun

[tulip halo]

your used to delay probably

[low radish]

the charge up before each shot makes it weird

I was doing that Class S in BX right

I had hel gun and i swear i missed half of the hsots

I cannot get used to the charge up

it's not that bad with Burst cannon but hel gun and hel rifle are just weird for me

[low radish]

I love hip fire

I just hip fire it accurately

[wheat gate]

hel rifle can hip fire just fine tho?

[little pilot]

hel gun charge up does take time to get used to it, but hel rifle should feel ok no? still takes a few rounds to get used to

[ripe hamlet]

me vibing with hel gun until its time to shoot those damn flyers

[little pilot]

not advised

[wheat gate]

i remember it being fairly accurate hip hm

[low radish]

I just still can't get used to it

I only had it once in my hands really

or twice

I never touch hel weapons

Unless revo or shotgun

[wheat gate]

yea i cant use the hel gun, chargeup makes me miss all my shots
hel rifle my beloved tho: #gtfo-media message

[little pilot]

i quickscope to get the accuracy

but just hipfiring multiple shots directly will miss

[low radish]

do you know what gun has good hipfire

It's fun to hipfire MG

[little pilot]

i swear next time i see u in #gtfo-media i am dropping this

[low radish]

😔

[ocean lance]

when does it become "mg is fun" to "i dont play hel weapons cause they're better than mg"

[little pilot]

i mean with perfect accuracy

in theory

u could

[low radish]

I am aware that they're better. I do know MG is not the best gun, I'm just having way more fun with MG than any other special weapon

[little pilot]

do the funny

[ocean lance]

i think it's cause you haven't given hel weapons oto much of a chance cause of your stubborness

imo every player, almost every player

was an mg player once

[low radish]

I have a feeling like the copypasta was made specifically against me, sometimes

[ocean lance]

but after trying helgun/helrifle mg just feels like slander to your teammates

[wheat gate]

yea but then i can say with perfect accuracy and positioning in theory hel auto pistol is insane
(it will never happen)

[ocean lance]

and to yourself ngl

[low radish]

I did play hel gun and i agree i am very stubborn. But since i only play with one guy that doesn't mind MG why change it while i'm having more fun with it?

[ocean lance]

im just saying

[low radish]

I understand you

[ocean lance]

that you're the mg player

cause you're stubborn

[rare solstice]

alo 👋 I'm trying to put the password in for R8A2 but it's not working?

[ocean lance]

that's it

you want to prove a point to others, that's all there is to it

[little pilot]

https://andocas.com/gtfo/r8a2/

[low radish]

It's not a lie

I'm not going to hide it

[little pilot]

changes weekly

[wheat gate]

i think hel gun is understsandable, i also cant hit shots with it bcos of the chargeup
but doesnt mg also have a chargeup?

[rare solstice]

do I need to type in the dash as well?

[tulip halo]

do you just have these sites hotkey'd?

[little pilot]

yes

[low radish]

yeah but not before each individual shot

that's the difference for me

[little pilot]

bookmarked in the browser

[wheat gate]

theres a guy u can always just ping
his name is the password lol

[ocean lance]

hel gun is just braindead in casual play

you can just spam that it and you'll kill

[wheat gate]

i cant, the chargeup makes me miss shots
im much better with hel rifle

[ocean lance]

whenever i duo with new players and they pla hel gun i always hear them take 3 seconds between each shot

and first thing i tell them is to just spam

[low radish]

on another note I AM willing to change my loadout while playing with others for example in pubs. I do have other loadouts i take sometimes

So i can be flexible if others want it

[ocean lance]

actually based

[low radish]

I don't want to be a liability to anyone

[wheat gate]

i can hit heads with hel revolver tho, with a muted dmg booster its almost a hel gun, one tap headshot on smalls

[ocean lance]

at least you're not the pistol sniper player on r4c3

[low radish]

But since my duo doesn't mind me taking anything i just take the gun i like the most

[ocean lance]

that will throw cause he won't switch since he's been using this loadout for the entire gtfo

[low radish]

Otherwise i can play a lot of different guns

[ocean lance]

and he "completed levels" aka got carried

[tulip halo]

noted

[low radish]

Yeah, I am not really like that

I am willing to change my loadout if others want me to take something else

[ocean lance]

yeah thats pretty broken

[low radish]

but I DO prefer to stick to mg

because it's the weapon i have the most fun with

[ocean lance]

i most likely wouldnt tell you to switch off mg anytime

[low radish]

and because i am stubborn

[ocean lance]

apart from r8 B side

[wheat gate]

i basically only use hel revolver + scatter/hel rifle
i guess sometimes i go sawd off + combat shotty for fun

[low radish]

yeah I know Mg is bad against nightmares

I don't intend to take it there

I think burst cannon would do better

[ocean lance]

yeah mg is fine in any level apart from nightmares

it's just painful even for the mg player

[low radish]

I enjoyed MG in R2E1 a lot

[wheat gate]

hel rifle happens to b insane against nightmares

[ocean lance]

my first clears on most levels were mg clears

[low radish]

honestly i'm a masochist so if it's harder it's even better for me lol

[ocean lance]

eh

[low radish]

probably a reason why i also stick with MG

[low radish]

I used to take revolver mostly

Sawed off/revo used to be my most popular loadout

[wheat gate]

like the secondary revolver not main?

interesting

[low radish]

then i changed it for veruta

[tardy ingot]

its fine for them too

its not like mg actually throws for them

its just massively outvalued by genuinely busted stuff and stuff that actually is build for nightmare combat

[tulip halo]

any tips for r2d2, im hard suffering and changing the bots guns did not make much of a difference

[low radish]

I mean sort of? It just really falls off compared to other guns

[tardy ingot]

dont run r2d2 with 3 bots if you can avoid it

[ocean lance]

yeah it just feels harder to play with bad guns thats all

[little pilot]

the only real issue with nightmares is u dont stagger and the way they are used in game is very spammy aka full nightmare waves

[tardy ingot]

its just how mg actually feels vs enemies

[low radish]

R8E2 Class VI

I am not taking MG on that duo

no way it can actually survive that

[little pilot]

ok but like duo e2 is a different experience

[tulip halo]

iv been doing the game with bots only so far 🥀

[little pilot]

there u need hel rifle

[low radish]

wait really

[little pilot]

but 4 man e2 u def can take MG

[tardy ingot]

yea...
Its technically (mostly) possible. But its not pleaseant

[little pilot]

(we played sniper unironically and it was still fine)

[low radish]

yeah i am talking more in Duo expirience

[tardy ingot]

R2D2 is still on the more tame side

[tulip halo]

ik i would hit a wall, but i didnt think it would be at R2

[low radish]

I only play duo, forgot how it is to full team actually

[tardy ingot]

R2E1 is way worse ngl

[wheat gate]

getting to r2d2 solo as a new player is pretty impressive

[low radish]

yeah

[tardy ingot]

should start duo speedruns

[low radish]

the spike in difficulty is crazy

[low radish]

Frenchman doesn't like speedruns

He doesn't want to do them

[tulip halo]

iv heard nightmares of E levels, i am not looking forward to it

[tardy ingot]

L (its cuz of the mods isnt it)

[low radish]

Not really, also he did turn them off

[low radish]

be preapared for a wild ride

[wheat gate]

r2e1 is where i decided ok maybe i dont care that much about finishing every rundown in order lol
cos id be stuck there for weeks

[little pilot]

mods are crutches (unless archive cause that is the 1 mod i will agree with)

[low radish]

I myself only use archive and some fixes

[little pilot]

-# maybe make BBCs invincible and only melee is also allowed

[low radish]

Turn every enemy into a BBC mod

[tardy ingot]

tgb when he has a thousand hours modless

[low radish]

Tgb heaven

[tulip halo]

i did that at r2d2, got stuck on it then moved on and cleared R3, suffered with R4 secondaries then decided to go back to r2d2. iv hit a wall in everything

[low radish]

but on a different note i'd be up to try duo speedrun someday

[tulip halo]

i finally caved n joined the server to ask for tips

[low radish]

But i am more of a player interested in high difficulty runs rather than speedruns

[wheat gate]

i dont think it would be fun for me to solo r2d2 lol
i would very much like a team for that

[low radish]

I still wanna try samdown

[tardy ingot]

speedruns make some things harder and others easier

[ocean lance]

samdown is really fun

definetly give it a go

[low radish]

what? you don't want to kite the waves?

[tardy ingot]

theres a certain speed where doing smth is legit easier because you just fight less enemies overall

[low radish]

yeah we already did but I was a little bit too weak

[ocean lance]

duo samdown is just not a thing

[low radish]

I felt like a liability so i wanna beat vanilla GTFO first

[ocean lance]

trio if you're korean

[low radish]

no no it was a full team

[ocean lance]

ah fair

[low radish]

I am aware it's not possible duo

I just felt like i wasn't ready for it yet

so i wanna try to duo vanilla before we go back to it

[ocean lance]

samdown is definetly something you try at a higher skill level

[inner inlet]

What is samdown?

[ocean lance]

it does skill prog you quite fast

[low radish]

Yeah it's a mod for vets

[low radish]

Yeah might be that, i heard it does make you learn

I just want to have a better skill ceeling before i come back

[ocean lance]

yeah i actually had to learn how to play bosskill

[low radish]

I did see myself improve during the duo actually

[wheat gate]

hm so if i get carried in samdown will i be better in vanilla

[tulip halo]

whats bosskill?

[tardy ingot]

boss killing guns

[little pilot]

vanilla bosskill: run at boss, aim (optional) left click twice

[low radish]

yep

Scatter and stuff

[tardy ingot]

well

scatter

the rest is honest boss kill

[tulip halo]

ngl i was expecting a much more niche strat not just "kill big thing with big gun"

[low radish]

But i definietly want to give samdown some more tries hopefully

it sounds really fun

[wheat gate]

the only time where i felt like scatter was not useful was on super mom
all her bubbles r too far away from u lol

[low radish]

I heard project eternal is hard too

[little pilot]

scatter is boss invalidation, rest of the guns u actually have to maybe aim to kill bosses

[tardy ingot]

its the best gun for her

by far

[low radish]

i wonder what is the hardest one

[tardy ingot]

@wheat gate

[ocean lance]

samdown

[low radish]

scatter fits everywhere