gtfo-related-questions

[minor fractal]

Sub-20 felt about the same as sub-11 for R3D1, ngl.

[tardy ingot]

welp lets make all times 50 minutes for all runs then?

[tardy ingot]

eeeeeeh

[minor fractal]

Which was the goal of advocating for sub-20

[sturdy glen]

soy has no understanding of speedrunning

[tardy ingot]

Sub 11 R3D1 feels more like sub 17 or so

[sturdy glen]

(which is completely fine)

[minor fractal]

You didn't do any half-teams, so you wouldn't know, if I'm being honest.

[civic wave]

that's not what i'm arguing

[tardy ingot]

"didnt do half teams"
mhm

[frail heart]

what

i did?

[tardy ingot]

also half teams BY DEFAULT arent supposed to get this role

[sturdy glen]

the times that ended up being set were still agreed upon by soy, and ended up in a very productive comp, more so than r3d1

[tardy ingot]

COPIUM coming in hard

[frail heart]

i agree

[tardy ingot]

yea the point

[minor fractal]

That wasn't the case for R3D1, lol

[tardy ingot]

is

[frail heart]

the comp was fun

[tardy ingot]

that R5E1 comp was fun as hell

but the times couldve been better

[minor fractal]

And the problem is still

[tardy ingot]

it feels like its taken as a personal attack when we say the times couldve been better

which is hilarious

[civic wave]

if the comp only lasted 1 week instead of 2, would that change your sentiment towards the time boundaries?

[sturdy glen]

eva this is why no one argues with you

[minor fractal]

If they aren't supposed to get the role, then the role isn't fun to go for, it's a one-and-done.

[frail heart]

maybe a bit

[sturdy glen]

you INSTANTLY start saying shit like this

[fathom ice]

team

[sturdy glen]

goodbye

[fathom ice]

let's all agree

that 2 weeks was too much

[tardy ingot]

its insane that when I do it once its an immediate

no one wants to talk with you
people do shit to me -> ah no worries, they are just like that we love em

[frail heart]

why does everything have to turn to shit in here lmao

[minor fractal]

If you are supposed to get the role, then sub-25 is removed, and there's no accessible option if you're not playing w/ people from the main speed teams.

[frail heart]

its so easy to have a normal convo

[civic wave]

uncontrolled masculine urges or something idk i got no idea

[prime musk]

weekly gtfo chat drama, it's sunday and there hasn't been any all week

[frail heart]

like just breathe a bit

[tardy ingot]

huh?

id assume we have an accessable but semi challenging time and a challenging time

(and if wanted a free time like sub 50)

[sturdy glen]

frosty there is nothing happening rn

[minor fractal]

Removing sub-20 is even worse, lmfao

[frail heart]

having a nice, civil conversation feels so nice

idk why everyone doesnt want to do it

[tardy ingot]

sub 25 (or 23, 22 whatever you want) and then like sub 18/17/16 (whatever would be decided) simply makes the challenge fit more

this is obviously something I only know retroactively now. So its not a "omg you are stupid for giving these times as options" but a "this wouldve fit better"

[minor fractal]

The entire original idea was that both times should be available to non-established speedrunners, with a harder and easier time.

That was why 20 and 25 were recommended

[frail heart]

I dont think it was that?

Soy 100% said otherwise

[minor fractal]

Link it

[frail heart]

uhh lemme find

[minor fractal]

We had a specific idea for the times we recommended

If Soy didn't understand that, then he didn't understand what we were recommending

And I also just don't agree with Soy that this is a good idea.

Having an elitist-only time is a bad idea, and doesn't make for a good comp

If you can get sub-17, you compete for record instead of playing for comp titles.

[little pilot]

with future knowledge i would have also picked 18/25/50, it did feel a little bit underwhelming to only go for sub 20

[tardy ingot]

sub 16 is likely the only time that rly fits your "elitist" only time
and even for that id argue wed see more of a push for it if the time is set (but it would definetly be the high end)

sub 18 already has a ton of people get those times

[frail heart]

#gtfo-chat message i think convos like this gave me the idea thats what soy wanted

if i misinterpreted then soy can say and thats my bad

[minor fractal]

The only fast time w/out split was w/ Sky and IZack iirc.

[tardy ingot]

but why without split

[minor fractal]

Vast majority of times were 19s, and a lot of high 19s

[ocean lance]

idk having a speedrunner only time kind of sucks, I know some teams just wouldn't go for it and would stop playing the comp after sub 25 and thsts it

[tardy ingot]

split genuienly isnt that bad (its honestly the most fun)

[minor fractal]

Then you needed to argue that beforehand

[frail heart]

we had a 17:21 with hafumi, there was a 17:02

i think there was a few

[minor fractal]

Because we had already decided that split sucks to play from running the level prior.

[tardy ingot]

theres also unposted times

[minor fractal]

I don't believe there are any unposted PBs

[tardy ingot]

as frosty said
we didnt run the level before hand so first hand knowledge wasnt there

[minor fractal]

And so your opinion on this doesn't really matter.

[frail heart]

maybe soy couldve just added a thing like "WR will gets special recognition" or some shit

[tardy ingot]

there are a few

[frail heart]

and that would actually be a good thing

[prime musk]

there is a 16,22 that was never uploaded, chill me sky duck

[civic wave]

yeah, and if the time was difficult to achieve there'd be more exclusion, not just from people achieving the role but also socially as the experienced runners decline to play with more (larger amount of) inexperienced people, in which case you completely gimp the community component of what happened which imo is what made this so fun

[frail heart]

instead f changing times

[sturdy glen]

1616, 1622, 1643, 1654, 1655, 1700, 1702, 1805, 1823, 1837, 1855, 1858, 1859

[little pilot]

nah

[sturdy glen]

theres more than that

[ocean lance]

^

[minor fractal]

I do just disagree w/ Soy

[frail heart]

yeah makes sense

[tardy ingot]

... the fuck?

[minor fractal]

I don't think there needs to be a harder role, the R3D1 time requirement was probably not good.

[tardy ingot]

ray

[frail heart]

i think we also had a run that was quite low but we didnt post

[tardy ingot]

have you not read what ive said before?

[little pilot]

that would be bad frosty cause it no longer becomes a "challenge" but rather a competition and then some of the fun will be taken away

[sturdy glen]

those are times that exclude runs we did separately with the actual team

those are all mid comp runs with fills

[frail heart]

there is fun in competition

when its civil

and not tooxic

r6c1 felt fun

people were competing with each others times

until it was 3 teams left

and we all said gg good games

[tardy ingot]

challenge > competition yea

challenge also makes withholding times a thing that wont happen

[frail heart]

competitions can be fun

[frail heart]

my point with not toxic

[civic wave]

gg this level fucking blows because of the rng?

[frail heart]

maybe because we pushed it to its limit

hmm

[tardy ingot]

this is at least a decent argument

Imo the harder role SHOULD be a challenge to get. Something to push for
and the lower (in this case middle) should be smth accessable but still challenging where people come together and whoever plays plays

but I can definetly see this side of thinking

[frail heart]

it will happen in every level

[minor fractal]

R6C1 wouldn't have been as bad if not for containing multiple minutes of waiting

[frail heart]

yeah

but what can you do

[minor fractal]

Horrible fucking level

[frail heart]

its over

[hardy grotto]

it wont happen in every level actually

[frail heart]

i mean

at some point

but probably not realistically

[hardy grotto]

nope

[tardy ingot]

I gave em so many other levels

[hardy grotto]

not on my watch

[frail heart]

holy shit watch out guys

[minor fractal]

I just want you to understand, Chill probably isn't streaming attempts of anything if the times are 17mins and 25mins.

[upper ginkgo]

are you some sorta over... watch...

[minor fractal]

You can't pick people up and teach them the route if it's sub-17 or sub-18

[hardy grotto]

i got CHILLS

[frail heart]

i think this is a good argument

[minor fractal]

and sub-25 is so free that every run is a one-and-done

[frail heart]

the accessability just goes down

[minor fractal]

But I don't think you're understanding, this was the entire reasoning behind 20 and 25

[frail heart]

yeah i see that

i understand now

[tardy ingot]

so sub 18 and sub 22

[minor fractal]

and why in recommending a time split, I wanted the second time to be easier rather than harder

[tardy ingot]

or whatever times work out well

[frail heart]

but yeah, idk maybe like i said just a "mention" of the wr or smth

but again i guess that

does the same thing

hmm

[minor fractal]

I think the record speaks for itself, is the thing

[frail heart]

yeah i mean i guess it just doesnt work for something like this

[minor fractal]

Same for running split in general

If we were happening to run w/ people that could play split

we would just play split

[tardy ingot]

sub 20 and 25 are way more towards a casual side

which, mind you, the event was still rly fun and sub 20 is a decent time barrier by itself (tho made sub 25 kinda obsolete for a lot of teams)

[minor fractal]

Comp isn't necessary to motivate anyone towards that

[frail heart]

i think the lower time being just a self imposed thing was fine

[little pilot]

yea i honestly dont care about record not getting/getting mentioned, this entire discussion is mostly about GOOD runs but not INSANE runs

[frail heart]

we would've done it anyway

[tardy ingot]

for me the barrier for sub 20 was
"do the people die or not"

[little pilot]

yea it did feel like that

had a run split, sub 19 despite having so many deaths

[hoary mason]

wtf even happened

[frail heart]

@minor fractal #gtfo-chat message this was the message i was looking for btw

[minor fractal]

Yeah, I think that's unhinged

[frail heart]

makes sense lmao

[little pilot]

7 deaths, including a 3 down at some point i think in hub zone

[tardy ingot]

I mean thats more speedrun challenge focus

[frail heart]

honestly i think the problem is more just people rely on tour guiding to do these things

but what can you do

[little pilot]

like that run felt... schizo to be in the best time bracket

[frail heart]

its fun so idrc

[tardy ingot]

consider that a speedrun community typically wants times

• that push the time down
• get people into fast strats
• get people to try the run in general

[civic wave]

I'm eating food sorry i can't argue right now

[hoary mason]

?

[civic wave]

i hate you all please burn in the fires of r8e2

[frail heart]

theres no arguing rn lmao

[civic wave]

because i'm eating

[frail heart]

also i think we got something good out of this anyway

[minor fractal]

I think if you wanted to force more coordination, sub-18 w/ sub-22 would have been just alright

[frail heart]

some of the funniest fucking clips from chills streams

[minor fractal]

But I think the only reason for this is because there weren't very many independent teams this time compared to R3D1

[little pilot]

i mean we knew that was a thing

[ocean lance]

r3d1 had more teams than this one?

[minor fractal]

The point of 25 was still for independent teams to be able to get a time.

[little pilot]

just didnt know how to properly set a time for it

[little pilot]

yes

[frail heart]

there were more independent times this time i think?

[hoary mason]

not in terms of teams completed, but in terms of teams running the level during comp

[tardy ingot]

R3D1 had less indepent teams no?

[ocean lance]

thsts what I thought

[hoary mason]

no

[ocean lance]

I think there were more teams on r3d1 for lesser time

once they saw tour guides/the grind they just stopped

[frail heart]

i think there were like 6 distinct teams this time

at least

[ocean lance]

no teams without a speedrunner got the sub 11no?

everyone got tour guided

[frail heart]

yeah

[ocean lance]

which is very stupid

[tardy ingot]

how

[frail heart]

this time there were teams that didnt get tour guided

[tardy ingot]

its litteraly a speedrun challenge

[frail heart]

like the korean guys

[tardy ingot]

also id say that 1 run had "just" tru with it

[minor fractal]

R3D1 had Tactics/Andocas, Hange/Rose team, Steve Hanson team, Zed team, Chad/Blue/Fuster/Tru,

[ocean lance]

yeah Koreans, chaes team and me zed sky and star team

[fathom ice]

the korean guys are gigachads

[frail heart]

true

[minor fractal]

The point of the sub-25 to begin w/ was that those teams need a reasonable time to run for

[fathom ice]

that one guy

[minor fractal]

But I think most of those teams vanished

[fathom ice]

who plays choke

no matter what

[ocean lance]

he's a god

[frail heart]

actual chad

unfort they didnt use it in their run

[ocean lance]

zed you had a team for sub 11? @prime musk

[fathom ice]

rip

he was

playing with me

and beth

and hani

[ocean lance]

oh

[frail heart]

so prettty much tour guided

[ocean lance]

that's not a team

thsts a tour guide chat wtf

[fathom ice]

it is a tour guide

[prime musk]

i grinded for 13 hours with 3 pubs who knew each other

[civic wave]

are you gonna tell me i got tour guided

[prime musk]

we were very very close

[ocean lance]

LOL

[prime musk]

got 2 11:20 times

[frail heart]

if i look there was like 1 team tgat wasnbt tour guided

for r3d1

[ocean lance]

unlucky

[tardy ingot]

sry
pub guided*

[minor fractal]

If you don't have a time for independent teams, you incentivize tour guiding even more.

[tardy ingot]

./s

[minor fractal]

There probably should have been a sub-13 time

[frail heart]

yeah

[ocean lance]

yeah idk sub 11 was rough without tour guide

another reason why I didn't play it

[little pilot]

sub 13 time middle would have made sense a lot yeah

[tardy ingot]

I dont disagree
the 16 min time was set by soy on our clear ray

I wouldve 100% set a 13 min and 15 or higher min time if I had the chance for 3 times

the argument for R5E1 times being likely better if changed a bit

is the same for R3D1 times likely being better with a 3rd time that fits

both are correct

(imo)

[frail heart]

should've been sub 15 and THATS IT

[minor fractal]

BASED!?!?

[ocean lance]

he's so right

[little pilot]

nah should have had lower time set at 10:00 cause theoretical best splits are 9:54

[civic wave]

nobody cares about the amalgam of your logs

[tardy ingot]

If I had to draw a comparision, then id say R5E1 comp times translated to R3D1 wouldve been smth like

sub 30 (lol)
sub 16
sub 13 (or smth like that)

[frail heart]

id say sub 12 prob

[tardy ingot]

tho for R3D1 sub 30 obviously would be troll

[frail heart]

you play charger safe

[tardy ingot]

honestly

fuck

we shouldve gotten sub 50 role running full lvl frosty

[civic wave]

it's not an argument because there's nothing to contend, it's the plain truth, and my opinion is sub20 is plenty challenging on it's own for r5e1 because of the amount of volatile sections there are to play through
but i have nothing else to say so whatever

[frail heart]

TRUE

[frail heart]

its still an argument...

[civic wave]

keep your lips for your girlfriend

[tardy ingot]

its an argument FOR having the times in a certain way

Sub 20 is obviously challenging. Its R5E1 and you are trying to go fast

But its noticeably not that challenging with all the times that got gotten on it

[civic wave]

are all the times gotten on it a function of the time being easy, the comp running for half a month, or both? And if its both, how much did each factor contribute?

because there's more considerations than just "time too high, easy to get a run"

[frail heart]

lemme pull out my spreadsheet 🤓 ☝️

[tardy ingot]

let me plug these things into my "gtfo comp difficulty formula" (gcdf for short)

./s aside

Sub 20 is clearly not the high time barrier for a speedrun challenge on R5E1

Sub 20 is more catered towards good players in the community trying this out and wanting to push for a decent time

[civic wave]

my assertion is that it's a combination of both, sub20 is a fine barrier for ramshackle teams on a shorter time frame but for a longer competition you can end up wirh a few too many times

[hardy grotto]

i think sub 20 was honestly perfect

[ocean lance]

^

[tardy ingot]

rather than a speedrun community decent time

[hoary mason]

you can also do sub25 role by doing the class 5 scan, running back to start zone to disable the error and surge alarm

[civic wave]

yeah sub 20 felt good

[tardy ingot]

which, considering its called a "Speedrun challenge/competition", it should be obviously why the point arises

the question would be what the intent is

[ocean lance]

guys

[hardy grotto]

i dont think it should ever be balanced around us

[ocean lance]

the comp is not for you speedrunners

its to get people

to play the gae

[tardy ingot]

"get people to try out something fun"
or to get people to try out smth fun AND push for good times

[civic wave]

yeah

[ocean lance]

and start speedrunning/play more

[tardy ingot]

you cant rly argue that sub 18 wouldve been balanced around us

im not blaming anyone for not having sub 18 in mind beforehand. But in retrospect sub 20 was clearly a bit too high for the "lowest" time if it should push people even a little bit

[ocean lance]

sub 20 is already a good time for people that are not used to speedrunning

[civic wave]

by all means you're allowed to have your champion bracket benchmark, but that needn't be imposed everywhere because it'll only be a consideration for experienced teams wirh plenty of experience already

[frail heart]

gae

[ocean lance]

guys normal gamers would not grind for sub 18

[hardy grotto]

sub 20 was already pushing people tbh

[ocean lance]

you're delusional if you think sub 20 wasn't pushing normal gamers already

ngl

[civic wave]

and again, if the comp didn't last as long people wouldn't have been able to push as much

[little pilot]

If that was the point then fucking pick a level that people are gonna try out. Not just the same 30 vets who already spend 10 hours on the game per week.

[ocean lance]

???

[tardy ingot]

3 unique teams got sub 18
(and a whole load of other players)

and this was without people having an incentive to grind for it

[hardy grotto]

LOL

[ocean lance]

there were people

that tried

no?

what other level was there to try

[minor fractal]

^

[tardy ingot]

the fuck you mean

[minor fractal]

If you wanted to actually try, you don't need comp for that

[frail heart]

r1a1 guys

[minor fractal]

You get the title

[frail heart]

it was right there

[tardy ingot]

ok can we ban frosty

[minor fractal]

and then you just play to PB because the level is fun

[tardy ingot]

im for it

[civic wave]

idk what to make of this anymore

[ocean lance]

with chill you mean?

[tardy ingot]

with and without

[civic wave]

i'm just gonna do the dishes and check out the tesco express

[ocean lance]

or unique teams with no speeds

idk guys

sub 20 was great, people played

we all had fun

[frail heart]

Shall we move on guys

Kiss eachother and move on

[ocean lance]

im watching shadsplays play gtfo im already moved on

it's a 60 year old grandpa

[frail heart]

anyways guys new tierlist in the works

[hoary mason]

The entire game is rng fiesta worse than the lowest rated casino in world. Most levels by game processes design are unfun to run and the speedrunning of them is even worse cause of how lucky you have to get and most likely the most grinded records will stay at their number 1 spot because no one will be willing to grind for 100 for perfect 1 seed.

The comps on other hand have breathing head room for the best time in case INEXPERIENCED people come and INVEST THEIR TIME TO GET IT.

Comps are more skill based
Game speedruns are more luck based

Change my mind

[frail heart]

first part, no, second part, yeah

[hoary mason]

Then go get r1a1 wr

[ocean lance]

idk guys

i got a flyer double hit

get on my level

[frail heart]

HOLY

[tardy ingot]

why should inexperienced people go for the best time btw?

isnt the reason FOR multiple roles that they have a time to go for?

[hoary mason]

Cause it's competition for more broader audience?

[tardy ingot]

thats why we had 3 roles

aka 3 times

[ocean lance]

i dont want the fuckin chicken jockey role

i want the shiny role

[tardy ingot]

so its about want

then why have 3 times

[ocean lance]

team

its not like we had 3times

we pretty much had 2 times

was 50 mins really a time

[tardy ingot]

tbf sub 50 was a bit of a meme

sub 50 idea was for anyone to just be able to cell skip and get a role

but people who participate are generally in the skill bracket where they already did cell skip or could

[hardy grotto]

theres just no point to really removing those times tho?

[frail heart]

PLEASE

[hoary mason]

Which is your subjective want cause you look at those times fully like a speedrunner. For other peeps who weren't aware of it and got the team together and pulled off that feat it might become best day for them just because they get feeling of accomplishment and etc.

I don't see the reason to drop the 20min mark because of that.

Unforch not many teams ran it

And y'know

[tardy ingot]

ye i agree

but also like, why should the best time be accessable for inexperienced players (read -> "easily" accessible)

[hardy grotto]

who are the inexperienced players youre referring to here

[hoary mason]

Uhh, not like 20min is easily accessible by inexperienced teams tho?

[ocean lance]

me im pub

[hardy grotto]

just so i get an idea of what kinda level of player we're on abt when we say inexperienced

someone new to speedrunning?

[tardy ingot]

maid was refering to inexperienced players

id assume its people like lakana, hafumi etc

[hoary mason]

???

[hardy grotto]

theres a lot of people i would put in the category of new to speedrunning

[tardy ingot]

Also I think sub 18 is still very reachable

Im not necessaril advocating for sub 16

cuz thats just gonna be a 2-3 team grind

[little pilot]

sub 18 is very reachable for any team of vets

[minor fractal]

I think you need to run it w/ non-dedicated teams first

We ran test runs for sub-20 before picking it

[hardy grotto]

and then we circle back to it just trying to be accessible to us, which is silly

[tardy ingot]

tbf my first run was with a non dedicated team

[hardy grotto]

there's teams with runs that were slower than sub 18

[ocean lance]

^

[tardy ingot]

and we died on a 19 min pace first try

[hardy grotto]

why are we just fucking them over here

whats the point

[tardy ingot]

beth

that isnt rly a point against the time being there tho?
the reason for multiple times is that people who cant get the best time still have smth to run for

no?

[ocean lance]

this is so confusing to me

[tardy ingot]

Hence I think sub 18 is somewhere close to the sweetspot of not only accessible to us, but also others. While not being as casually doable (could also be 18:30 or whatever)

this is also CLEARLY in retrospect and im not shitting on the times or time decisions for the comp

[ocean lance]

guys

[hoary mason]

I'm just generalizing talk but I don't have any specific team in mind for that.
Eva I think you have drastically different expectations for what should be the lowest time for competitions because of professional deformation(y'know you being a speedrunner and almost for half a year grinding nonstop gtfo%)

[ocean lance]

sub 20 is not casually doable for non speedrunners

what are you yapping about

?

[hoary mason]

Yes

That's the point I want to get across from the start

[burnt inlet]

Eva I do think that sub 20 wasn’t a bad choice tbh, the standards shouldn’t be for the good professional teams but instead the great average team

[hoary mason]

It's still rewarding enough time and its a time that respects your want of putting in effort to grind it out

[worthy sandal]

sub 20 is already like 2 actual speedrunner carry 2 ppl without that much experience, lower then that i think this comp is going to be a tour guide, 3 speedrunner carry one ppl, then the role will be already washed

[burnt inlet]

But I also have shit takes so who knows

[hoary mason]

18 on the other hand not so much

[tardy ingot]

I do agree that I have a different perspective

But this isnt rly a big negative. A speedrun competition/challenge can easily have times for

• speedrunners
• people wanting to try fast strats (not speedrunners)
• people testing the waters

[ocean lance]

team

why do we want

a time for speedrunners

[hoary mason]

Nah I don't agree with that

I dont

[tardy ingot]

the time for the 2 big speedteams wouldve beem sub 16

if not lower

just saying

[worthy sandal]

we all know there's like 10ish really speedrunner in this server

[hoary mason]

Y'know what's the competition for those times is called?

[tardy ingot]

have you read the name of the competition/challenge?

[hardy grotto]

theres literally just 2 speedrunning teams

[hoary mason]

SRC Leaderboard

[burnt inlet]

Maybe there should’ve been a like ”top role” for the top 1-3 teams

[ocean lance]

^

[worthy sandal]

theres no point for a role with those ppl when they r already known they r good at it

[tardy ingot]

depends on how active you want them to be
if you want them to be full team runners or not
etc

[ocean lance]

literally

we already know you guys are good

[sturdy glen]

guys can I get a special role for getting like 40 sub 20s

pls

[tardy ingot]

the point of having a role thats for speedrunners

is that people can push for it and get it

[ocean lance]

LOL

[tardy ingot]

shouldve asked soy like beth did before

[little pilot]

nope, we use times since that if u use top 1-3 we already basically knew prior to the competition which are gonna be those teams

[tardy ingot]

you couldve gotten the role for WEEKS

[hoary mason]

#gtfo-related-questions message

[worthy sandal]

man, sub 20 is already like semi tour guide, lower than that then the role is pointless, 3 experience ppl tour guiding

[burnt inlet]

Fair enough tbh

[tardy ingot]

"Speedrunning-competition/challenge"

[hoary mason]

and that's where your professional deformation comes in

[ocean lance]

the comp is to make the game feel more alive

[hoary mason]

[worthy sandal]

for me the title is more like encouraging ppl who havent speedrun before

[ocean lance]

that's the point

[worthy sandal]

not the comp for only speedrunner

[little pilot]

also team keep this in mind: if the role was sub 18, there would have been more people attempting to get sub 18 rather than just stopping at sub 20

[ocean lance]

^

[tardy ingot]

Can we stop insinuating that I ONLY want the sub 18 time?

[tardy ingot]

that is

[ocean lance]

you frosty tgb and

[tardy ingot]

litteraly still possible

[sturdy glen]

I think the exact same ppl already did go for sub 18

[tardy ingot]

because

its not just sub 18

[sturdy glen]

considering the groups I ran with

[tardy ingot]

exact same ppl?

[sturdy glen]

a lot of ppl stuck around

wanted to try split separately

did exactly that

I dont think anything more couldve been gotten out of this comp

[ocean lance]

chill got mad money from subs

comp was just chill's trust fund

[tardy ingot]

if we just count people who have gotten sub 18s

Chill
Jish
Ray
Tru
Beth
Tgb
Kenny
Me
Frosty
Hafumi
Zack
Sky
Maid
Hani
papiz
cassiopiea
kr_gya
sidline

[hoary mason]

I never got to try splits

[frail heart]

fax

[worthy sandal]

he's rich

[tardy ingot]

and thats without people who pushed for it cuz sub 20 was the lowest role

[sturdy glen]

im americas richest college student now u right

[ocean lance]

time to unsub

this guy's too rich

[frail heart]

still in debt tho

L

[hoary mason]

lmao

[tardy ingot]

you have only an insane debt vs crippling debt?

[frail heart]

@sturdy glen yeast infection

[sturdy glen]

big flyer is the best enemy in this game

[fathom ice]

no

big flyer scout is

[frail heart]

sorry man hes just a flyer with a yeast infection

[ocean lance]

^

[worthy sandal]

i want big flyer mom

[hoary mason]

flyer birther is

[fathom ice]

ur?

[hoary mason]

lmao

[civic wave]

i could've pushed more and gotten a much better time but didn't see a point to, with sitting my written exam during the comp and decompressing from that afterwards

[past mesa]

Guys speedrun comp to get banned from gtfo main

[worthy sandal]

u cant even shoot the fcking tumor cause its in the sky

[frail heart]

im getting wr

[hoary mason]

I got my sub18 in around 1 hour, tho I was running with Chill Beth and Hani

[ocean lance]

cheater

[worthy sandal]

at least we're having fun kek

[ocean lance]

everyone knows tour guides dont count

[past mesa]

Cheater

[frail heart]

im gonna use illegal strats

[uneven kiln]

Chill Dude
chilldude4216
ChillDude7777
Tgb03

[burnt inlet]

Im thinking about running R5E1 cs rn icl

[frail heart]

mf chilldude4216

[ocean lance]

what about r1d1 duo

[frail heart]

what about r1a1 trio glitched

[past mesa]

Guys r1d1 competition sub 6 is the ideal time for top role

[sturdy glen]

I wish I hadnt not recorded a bunch of runs

[tardy ingot]

also just going back to this

(if anyone reads my messages they should know this)
I litteraly included that being a big part of the comp/challenge and there being a time for it being a big part

[burnt inlet]

im down thing is i dont wanna do callouts cuz my family is eepy

[sturdy glen]

wouldv ebeen nice to actually keep track of all the times

[frail heart]

you have vods tho

[sturdy glen]

yeah but thats annoying to look through

same for logs

[past mesa]

Idk this competion seemed to go very well

[frail heart]

you should just be able to input all logs into tgb splitter and get all the times you had

[ocean lance]

when is the chill dude r5e1 comp funny moments video

[past mesa]

Seemed like a bunch of people played and most people had fun

[frail heart]

unless you wanna know what the teams were

[tardy ingot]

this
wasnt
the POINT HOLY JISH

[sturdy glen]

I didnt clip enough

[hoary mason]

I mean if team is experienced enough they can play without any coms whatsoever, esp with level like r1d1

[frail heart]

chat was lacking

[little pilot]

the logger can give u all the level completion times, but not the players who you did it with

[hoary mason]

this wasn't "your point"

[tardy ingot]

wait
it shows up in tgbs logger 👀

[sturdy glen]

and thats the problem :)

[past mesa]

The point is the pink role isn’t exclusive enough or?

[tardy ingot]

ok you didnt read my messages

[ocean lance]

time to watch all the r5e1 chill stream and clip everything

[burnt inlet]

fair enough, anyone down for R5E1 speedrun or R1D1?

[tardy ingot]

I litteraly said the comp was great multiple times and that the talk about times wasnt about that

[sturdy glen]

the vods are gone by now I think

[tardy ingot]

thanks maid

[sturdy glen]

at least half of them

[ocean lance]

wtf

are they=?

sad.

[worthy sandal]

can we have chill's crash out moment montage?

[frail heart]

no they last for like months

[sturdy glen]

think it only saves 2 weeks back

[tardy ingot]

also pinging you for that chill

[frail heart]

at least a month

[ocean lance]

i'll download them

[frail heart]

weirdo

[ocean lance]

i'd download you

[past mesa]

I think you guys should type longer messages in essay form

[worthy sandal]

the giant lick chill and no one stagger is the funniest one so far

[past mesa]

Is you want me to read them

[frail heart]

nvm it is 2 weeks i think

[hoary mason]

2 months

[frail heart]

wnfort

[sturdy glen]

yeah its only 2 weeks

[ocean lance]

[hoary mason]

whuh?

[frail heart]

Automatically save broadcasts for up to 7 days (14 days for Affiliates, 60 days for Partners, Turbo and Prime users)

[ocean lance]

how is chill not a partnered gtfo channel

[frail heart]

surely chill is a prime user

[frail heart]

^

[sturdy glen]

nop

[ocean lance]

surely

[sturdy glen]

I also just checked the vods directly

only second week is there

[fathom ice]

we need to merge

[ocean lance]

man

[fathom ice]

4 runs

with chill

where he does 4 different roles

[ocean lance]

omg

he's so right

[worthy sandal]

i wish the first week is kept cause 2nd week is erm

[sturdy glen]

COULD WIN WITH 3 CLONES

[fathom ice]

FR

[sturdy glen]

LET SGO

[frail heart]

i would still have recordings of when i played in the first week

[ocean lance]

chill did you at some point play every role?

[hoary mason]

#gtfo-media message

[frail heart]

are you prime user?

[sturdy glen]

theres 2 roles

well

2 roles within a run

[worthy sandal]

1 is tourist one is tourguiding

[sturdy glen]

unless you mean tools

[ocean lance]

i meant tools yeah

[sturdy glen]

I dont think I played bio a single time

ngl

[ocean lance]

damn

[worthy sandal]

any pingers?

[sturdy glen]

any pingers?

[ocean lance]

any pingerS?

[tardy ingot]

chill is not a pinger

[sturdy glen]

I wouldve been flooded in chat if I played bio

[ocean lance]

lmaoo

[sturdy glen]

instant crash out

[past mesa]

@tardy ingot

[ocean lance]

we missed out ngl

[hoary mason]

I don't think prime has those perks

[past mesa]

any pingers

[frail heart]

@burnt inlet Pmom is a M1LF, so you date for the plot. Also megamom you ghost bc of uh reasons i wont say here because people will get offended

[sturdy glen]

I should just do a random r5e1 stream where I lock bio the whole time

[frail heart]

@hoary mason

[sturdy glen]

and dont ping

[ocean lance]

megamom is fat

that's why

[sturdy glen]

"sorry guys"

[frail heart]

pinger stream

[ocean lance]

can we get more cell skip streams

[past mesa]

Your not a bio player

[burnt inlet]

damn ok, the other mom?

[past mesa]

It is so much worse

When you are the bio player

[hoary mason]

fair

[ocean lance]

with chill just playing bio all the time

[sturdy glen]

will defo stream actul runs when we do them

[worthy sandal]

if theres one unpinged enemy, do a pushup

[sturdy glen]

I think 2 weeks of lfging was enough

[ocean lance]

LOL

[sturdy glen]

I do want to lfg any of the e tiers tho tbh

[ocean lance]

he got sick of us

[sturdy glen]

besides mayber r4e1

itll be like

r2e1, r5e1, r5e1, r7e1, r8e2

40% chance for r5e1 instead of 20 for r4e1

[burnt inlet]

R2E1 lfg rn?

[ocean lance]

unscripted pub streams are great ngl

beth's pub streams were my fave

[sturdy glen]

I mean lfg speedrun

[tardy ingot]

add a 0,01% chance for R8E1

[sturdy glen]

like the e2s

[ocean lance]

oh lfg speedrun

[tardy ingot]

just for the lulz

[ocean lance]

fair

[sturdy glen]

the e2s went very well

[frail heart]

normal mom?

[burnt inlet]

yea why so high?

[ocean lance]

she's thicc

[frail heart]

Shes just like a good woman who would be a good mother, is funny, caring, good looking

[burnt inlet]

interesting

[frail heart]

We thought about this

WHY CANT I SAY M1LF

WTF

anyway

if pmom is a m1lf

[burnt inlet]

tbh i think most of the scouts can be very freaky

[ocean lance]

oh wow

ou cant say m1lf thats true

[frail heart]

the tier list is like if you saw them on tinder and/or like went on a date

[hoary mason]

Feels like a word that might've gotten banned thank's to tgbs efforts

[burnt inlet]

interesting

[frail heart]

We put thought into this

Every spot has reasonings

[burnt inlet]

"we" the voices are taking over again

[frail heart]

My gf helped

[burnt inlet]

oh

[frail heart]

it was actually her idea

[burnt inlet]

lmao

do u have the link for it? wanna do one myself and see how bad it would be lmao

[frail heart]

just search "gtfo enemies"

and we changed the tiers

[tropic root]

@burnt inlet big schlong is in the name

[burnt inlet]

ik thats why i asked lmao

idek which mom is which lmao

i can like not even decypher which enemy is which

[hardy grotto]

check the map

[frail heart]

^

[burnt inlet]

what map😭

[sturdy glen]

im going to batman rn

[fathom ice]

look at the map

[fathom ice]

w comms

[burnt inlet]

what map

[frail heart]

the map

[hardy grotto]

there's a medpack here

[sturdy glen]

fuck guys I threw I looted the pub spot box and now the enemies are pathing to me

[hardy grotto]

dude in a zombie apocalypse id go to batman

and when im overrun id fall back to shredder

[frail heart]

w strat

[burnt inlet]

@rapid warren do a tier list

cant judge if u havent done it

[rapid warren]

on what

[burnt inlet]

you just pregnant man reacted it

dumbass

[rapid warren]

🐠

[native sun]

cc: @hushed pagoda
The game uses a unity method to check what gets hit. This generates a nice list of everything that was in the hitbox, but the order of the list is undefined behaviour according to Unity.
(It uses OverlapCapsuleNonAlloc if you're interested) (One can make an educated guess about how the list actually gets populated, but there isn't any guarantees and no code to look into - unity is closed source)

When the game is deciding which part of the enemy gets hit it just uses whatever is first in the list. So, what gets hit is just up to whatever algorithm unity decided to use for populating the list, which we don't know.

So whether mine explosion hits tumor or hits armor is just shrouded knowledge. There are setups that make it more consistent but it's hard to ever come up with a guaranteed setup.

[native sun]

@frail heart @tardy ingot (Frosty you seem to have come around on this point later so mostly directed at Eva)
Do you earnestly think that the event has the same level of success and interest if the lowest goal time is substantially lower? If it is only aimed at established speedrunning teams?

For me most of the success I observed from the event was seeing a lot of players newer to speedrunning get invested and even begin to LFG in the speedrun channel. This actually rolled over into interest in other runs (as seen from subsequent interest in R8E2).

Do you think there is that same success and interest if those players newer to speedrunning are aiming for the second-best time instead?

Personally I think it is quite clear and obvious that people will be less motivated and interested if the goal time either represents a soul-crushing grind (if choosing to aim for a substantially lower time) or a second-best trophy (if choosing to aim at the second-best time if the substantially lower time has now been pushed out of the realm of reasonabe achievability)

[livid prairie]

Starting yesterday, I have been unable to see scan lines during security scans regardless of me being the host or a client. I run some client mods (accurate crosshair, etc. nothing crazy or balance affecting), but I haven’t updated any of them in the past two months. Has anyone else ever had this problem? If so, how do I fix it? This happens to me regardless of if I have mods active or not. I have verified my files and reinstalled the game as well attempting to fix this.

[civic wave]

there's a post in #1049599987878723635 mentioning AMD drivers as the culprit - i also use an AMD GPU and started having the same happen to me this week

[undone raven]

Is there any way to actually speedrun w/o a group of friends?? I tried to pub speedruns and that never works out, people joining with no clue what they are doing.

[fathom ice]

play solo speeds

[civic wave]

ask people specifically, probably

or go to the speedrun server or something (not that it'll vastly change the chances)

[mild blaze]

so uh what the fuck is the deal with R2D1 cause holy fog. just tried a run though with my friends and we got through the second class 5 before a little guy went off in the fog and set off a scout, we had zero ammo after the first 2 alarms. anyone got any tips on how to attempt this level? and like tool loadouts, anything at all i appreciate

im probably about to watch a vid on that level cause its crazy

[tiny wyvern]

Don't open doors until you clear a wave

And understand that you only have fog reps not a fog turbine

So for certain sections that only get cleared up at about 4 cells you will need them to live

[mild blaze]

oh yeah are the cells like inside the fog or smth?

[tiny wyvern]

You'll have to ping them to know most of the time

They can spawn anywhere

Also R2D1 without good knowledge and skill will see you fail miserably

Even with clear paths bad RNG spawns for cell will get you cause some rooms just use up too much ammo if you have to shoot

And you won't have enough for extract

(Most of the time you do, but panic usually means that you'll save ammo packs of some sort and then you won't have enough ammo)

(Cause the person holding it died

[ocean spindle]

r2d1 is about the point r2 starts getting crazy (in here its bad but d2 gets real bad)
so also think about doing r3

cuz alaso the A tiers of r3 are basically tutorials for r2d1, d2 and e1

[tiny wyvern]

sorta kinda

You can keep going if you want

[ocean spindle]

yeah it depends on what u wanna do

[digital mural]

Professor Scaler has a guide

Check it out

[tiny wyvern]

ye I think he knows about that

(his videos are also like top search I believe if you look up guides)

[digital mural]

Yep

He is kinda the only one that made actual level guides anyways

[ocean spindle]

hey the wiki guides :c

[mild blaze]

okay thank you guys very much im gonna go relay this info to my friends

[digital mural]

God bless Scaler

[ocean spindle]

i actually dont kno if theres a wiki guide for r2d1 ksmdkm

[tiny wyvern]

sort of kind of I believe

[ocean spindle]

hold on

[[R2D1]]

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/R2D1

[ocean spindle]

IT DOES WEEE

[digital mural]

Jesus Christ

I don't remember the map being that big

[ocean spindle]

acttually im gonna edit it slightly

[tiny wyvern]

It is real big if you go everywhere

[digital mural]

You only really need to explore like 70% of it?

I believe

[mild blaze]

its so open should we take mines? cause there are the knocking doors (like where they spawn in behind the door and come through)

[digital mural]

Even to this day there's some zones I haven't even touch in that level

[tiny wyvern]

Always one of each on that level

You'll have doors you need to cfoam mine

[digital mural]

Yes, take mines

Also you can pull rooms with them

[tiny wyvern]

SOME rooms

[digital mural]

You see a scout in a bad position? Shoot it, mine the door, close door and wait for the enemies

some ye

[tiny wyvern]

There are rooms where if you pull your hopes and dreams go down the drain

[ocean spindle]

plus blood doors

mines r great for thosee

[tiny wyvern]

Cfoam also really good if you're going disinfect route

Instead of Four Doors

[digital mural]

Eeeeh I wouldn't really take foam tbh

2 sentries 1 mine

should be good

[tiny wyvern]

Yeah that too

Mostly depends on whether you go for dis

[mild blaze]

yeah we normally run that, we have a bot on scanner cause our 4th friend didnt like the game

[digital mural]

Use the bot to get cells.

[mild blaze]

HE CAN DO THAT?

[tiny wyvern]

Oh yeah they don't take infection

[digital mural]

If you are in the same room as the cell, tell the bot to pick up the objective item

[tiny wyvern]

You can tell them to do that for Q commands

[digital mural]

They will go for the cell and bring it to you

[mild blaze]

i had no idea he could get obj

[digital mural]

No infection, perfect stealth, Easy

[ocean spindle]

only when ur in the same room as the cell*

[tiny wyvern]

'Pick up the objective item'
'Yes!'

[prime musk]

Q -> 2 -> Carrry the objective item

[ocean spindle]

it doesnt sshow up if ur not in the same room

[digital mural]

immediately runs to the fog

[ocean spindle]

crouches slowly

[prime musk]

if it doesn't show up, the bot isn't in the same room as the cell

[tiny wyvern]

Through giants no less

[mild blaze]

holy shit this is revolutionary

[tiny wyvern]

If you can't do it with bots btw (especially r2d2) lfg for one more if you can

[digital mural]

Now if you ever get a 4th, you can kick that person and abuse the bot

[prime musk]

(this works for players too, and allows you to quickly check if rooms contain it if you haven't pinged it)

[digital mural]

Then invite him back

[ocean spindle]

u can also make them follow a different player

[tiny wyvern]

(watch me forget about this conversation and try to help them, get kicked and be just omega confused)

[digital mural]

Oh wait you can't kick in vanilla

I forgor

[mild blaze]

yeah i know those commands, ive never really looked at the other bot commands for them cause i dont use them often, we just stared using the bot when infections came in cause i knew he didnt get infected

and we just wanted a second turret

[digital mural]

You can tell them to follow players, pick up obj items, use tools

And that's it

[tiny wyvern]

oh right

bots also waste dis early

So do be careful with that

[ocean spindle]

trues

[digital mural]

trues

[ocean spindle]

sometimes not disinfecting immediately can be useful

[tiny wyvern]

tru0067es?

[mild blaze]

yeah i tend to hold them for med packs

or if were still healthy

[digital mural]

Is that a Tru reference?!?!?!?

[digital mural]

They like to waste med packs

You are at 70% HP? Worry not they will heal you

It can fuck you up very quickly

[ocean spindle]

it doesnt matter much if ur infected

they know to not heal if infected

[mild blaze]

yeah it does annoy me what they prio sometimes

[tiny wyvern]

Oh right for R2D1 you might need to use weapons that can kill scouts

And expect to snipe sometimes

[digital mural]

Hel rifle

[ocean spindle]

nah nah, throw the spear

[mild blaze]

yeah i use the high calliber pistol, but i might take sniper instead

[digital mural]

Hel rifle cough cough

[ocean spindle]

i think highcal might be better for this?

it has range still

moreso if u hit the occi

[digital mural]

High cal is indeed better than sniper for this

[tiny wyvern]

High cal's better on R2D1 cause giant density isn't that high

[digital mural]

And also an all rounder

With sniper you do one thing or nothing

Not worth it

[ocean spindle]

how bout i round u into a basketball and throw u to the pit

[digital mural]

That sounds hot

Go for it

[ocean spindle]

??????

[tiny wyvern]

And unless you hate hybrids on blood doors (or pound doors or smth, idk what other people call it) hel rifle is better

high cal is nice tho
Good CC

[digital mural]

People call it shit doors too

[tiny wyvern]

wut

[mild blaze]

hybrids?

[tiny wyvern]

Spiky shooters with melee attacks

[mild blaze]

oh them

[tiny wyvern]

[[Hybrid]]

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Hybrid

[mild blaze]

i call them strikers

so what part of the body is the occiput

[tiny wyvern]

oh strikers are the normal dudes

Back of the head

We call it occi

[mild blaze]

okay

[digital mural]

Strikers are the small normal enemies

Hybrids are the ones that shoot a barrage of projectiles

And are tall

That btw any amount of damage while they are charging their attack will stagger them

[mild blaze]

yeah we killed a few of those

so like even little tags do enough to stagger?

[digital mural]

While they are charging their shooting attack yes

[mild blaze]

oh only charging not during?

[tiny wyvern]

during needs a bit more damage

(R2D2 moment)

[digital mural]

Well, usually if they are already shooting at you, you kinda need to take cover

They can mess you up FAST

[tiny wyvern]

Unless you're desynced to hell/shooter bugged

You don't want to eat the bullets

[ocean spindle]

only when the attack is going
during thee animation to attack, they caan be staggered if u deal the damage necessary, but during the attack, any amount of damaage will cancel it (but it still shoot a few projectiles probabaly)

[mild blaze]

okay sick

[tiny wyvern]

that's probably enough overloading on info for now

[ocean spindle]

yeh

[tiny wyvern]

If you need more ask and we should be here

If you need some more onboarding one of us can probably take you through a mission for a spell

But otherwise, good luck

[digital mural]

Chat, throw the secret hidden obscure tech at them.

[mild blaze]

thank you thank you

[tiny wyvern]

Oh right um don't bhop
it does nothing

[sudden nexus]

if you touch a retracting scout tentacle right before it disappears you can get it to go red but not wake the scout

[mild blaze]

yeah i know that one thanks tho, i might be an idiot but i did solo r1b1 with pistols so im not completely dense (just mostly to things past r2)

[mild blaze]

so i was watching the scaler video, and he was saying alternate r2d1, i noticed there are alt and overload but in game it says 0/0 for me, what exactly are those levels?

[grizzled patrol]

Looking at the Ceiling extends the biotracker range

[mild blaze]

these are what im talking about i might just be stupid tho

oh i cant upload an image

[digital mural]

Those are secondary objectives

You don't see them until rundown 4

The number means how many times you completed each objective

1st number is main
2nd number is secondary
3rd number is Overload
4th number is Prisioner Efficiency (all objectives in the same run)

[molten pawn]

I can't find any group to do R2B2

I'm a noob

[mild blaze]

im down if you want to

[molten pawn]

ok

how do I like

host it

[mild blaze]

uh idk

[molten pawn]

I mean I could add you on steam and js do that

wait nvm

I copy lobby ID

109775242913011640

[mild blaze]

do u want a full group i think i know how to host it

[molten pawn]

sure

but everytime I matchmaked

it was mad laggy

I never tried the discord server host though

[mild blaze]

i havent tried either lol

[molten pawn]

I think we need to make a call for it

[mild blaze]

its in the https://discord.gg/Q97Wdyrf chat

[topaz anvil]

This is NOT a vc invite

If you want to link channels you should use the # and their name, e.g. #lfg-beginners

[mild blaze]

i was showing the channel i put the vc one there sorry

ah okay thanks

[digital mural]

Wdym

It is a VC invite

[topaz anvil]

Ur a vc invite

[tardy ingot]

Others have said the same, but I am unable to see how a time lower than 20 is „soul crushing“.
I (not directed at you here) am not a fan of people saying that I only see sub 18 as fine because of me being a Speedrunner or elitist even.

Sub 20 got achieved by a lot of people without a big push. And while less people wouldve gotten a sub 18, it likely wouldve been more than we already had because of it being the goal. (I know some people stopped because they reached sub 20)

THIS is where I can agree that my perspective is different. But it doesnt come from experience or smth.
I personally just prefer a hurdle that cant just immediatly be reached, over smth thats easier.
Sub 20 was a good barrier for some in that way, but sub 18 wouldve been great in that aspect for others.

I dont doubt that the challenge couldve had slightly less turnout towards the end if it was smth like sub 23 and sub 18. But a Speedrunning Challenge can easily be focused on multiple groups of people.
With times being incentives for, starting out, going for fast runs, going for top times.
Sub 20 clearly aims more towards the middle one.

The question kinda boils down to, is it necessary for everyone to reach the lowest time barrier? Imo the sweetspot should be where it forces newer teams trying it out to rly work for it while still being feasible. But this is obviously subjective.

[tardy ingot]

Pub speedruns… rarely work

Best case you just ask people you know and try to forc… I mean get them to try it with you. Or ask people interested in the speedrunning community and go from there.
(Or solo runs as stated)

[south moth]

Idk getting sub 20 with a group of more inexperienced runners like myself is really hard

It only became an "immediately reached hurdle" when people were playing with experienced speedrunners

[hardy grotto]

i just think your expectations of this event are way different to anyone else's tbh

you might not be a fan of people attributing your takes to you being an elitist or a speedrunner

but realistically, that is why you have these takes

even if you do not want to admit that yourself

gonna be completely honest here and you can take this however you want to, but it very much seems like you are upset that the role is not special enough

the event went well, the times were fine, people worked for it even when being tour guided

some people literally didnt get sub 20 while being tour guided so it was clearly a challenge enough for people

to say it is "free" is pretty tonedeaf, not gonna lie

[steep ivy]

in r6 are the "x" missions same difficult tier are their associated letter tier? no idea if this makes sense

[safe cradle]

yeah

You could say that R6D1 is way easier than R6CX but whatever

[steep ivy]

i'm just happy i was able to get through r6b2 whilst doing secondary with 1.5 hours

[little pilot]

x missions tend to be 1 tier higher in difficulty design wise. R6AX is a B tier difficulty, R6BX is C tier, R6CX is D tier

In OG R6 these missions had BX, CX, DX as names, but they changed it in alt to AX, BX, CX so there are only 4 levels in the D tier and the rundown screen looks better

[steep ivy]

yeah it does look pretty damn good having nice looking rows

[native sun]

Why should one of the incentives be "going for top times". This clearly only targets teams who already speedrun, who, by definition, do not need extra incentive. Adding a goal time just for those teams doesn't achieve anything for those teams (they were pushing for good times already), so it only serves to very clearly make everyone else feel worse about the event.

[slender zenith]

Q51

[tardy ingot]

Why NOT?
Wdym do not need „extra incentive“ Also please answer how sub 18 is unachievable or soul crushing

People act like im saying we should only get sub 16 times as a battier

[native sun]

I just said why not...?

[native sun]

Sub 18 would have overwhelmingly been a goal time just for speedrun teams and teams with multiple members of speedrun teams.

[civic wave]

^

[native sun]

There'd be like, 1 team that doesn't fit that description, maybe

[tardy ingot]

I could agree with this if it was for the fact that Im not saying „remove all lower roles, fuck everyone who doesnt get sub 16“

I appearantly have higher expectations of other players than they appearantly have of themselves and as Ive litteraly stated I prefer a harder to reach hurdle for the lowest time.
I can understand people not wanting to push themselves as much, but at that point its clearly subjective again for what time fits what.

But what appearantly people cant understand is that this hurdle for myself wouldve been sub 16. Which fucking OBVIOUSLY stops the majority from realistically reaching it.

[civic wave]

running less is also nice, i've had my slice of the pie and have nothing to prove as to whether i could get a better time

[tardy ingot]

Sub 18 got done by 3 full teams and the players who got „taken through it“ would all very likely have gotten it imo (expect maybe 1 but name calling is cringe)

It also didnt get pushed for as much due to it not being another hurdle

[civic wave]

so instead i get to spend extra time sleeping, talking to my girlfriend, going out on a day trip with friends, whatever

even if it's meant to be a challenging time to achieve, its fine to make it a touch more forgiving because it gives people more time to enjoy their lives outside of gaming

[tardy ingot]

I mean a competition is for people who wanna participate
Not for those who dont (anymore)

[civic wave]

there is a difference between participation and grind

really i'd want to be getting back to bed instead of participating in this argument, didn't sleep very well

[tardy ingot]

Question is rly:

is the speedrunning challenge supposed to be:

• introduce gtfo players to some speedruns (why the hate against easier levels then. And I dont mean rng gamba A tiers or smth)

• a speedrun community based challenge that also gived an incentive to try speedrunning out

[native sun]

Re: soul-crushing
Believe it or not, most people would not like grinding for 8+ hours in order to get their lil role.

[hoary mason]

in context of soys challenges - 1st

[tardy ingot]

I feel that
Woke up at 4 and started with a headache after

[hoary mason]

I would feel like

[tardy ingot]

Then answer the question for 1st point

I dont mind that at all

[civic wave]

fell asleep 3.30 woke 5-5.5hrs later with brain being hyper

[topaz anvil]

Damn this be the most civilised discussion i ever seen

[tardy ingot]

OOF
hope you get dome rest 😔

[civic wave]

me too, enjoy yourselves here, i'm betting on tru

[tardy ingot]

Ok LOL @civic wave that was supposed to say „some“

But dome fits too

[native sun]

Because most experienced players of this game find easier levels overwhelming boring...

[little pilot]

from my POV: I highly doubt lowering the best time from 20 to 18 and 25 to like 23-24 or even keeping it the same would have any impact on the number of people who join to do any r5e1 speed. However it would impact positively is the number of people who attempt to go for sub 18. Which is overall either a clean run or a few mistakes on split strat. Which from what I saw any team that went for sub 20 probably could have achieved.

[civic wave]

it's not just the amount of people playing, it's how long they play to reach the goal, which is altered when you make it unreasonable for them to achieve

sub20 was a boon for playtime, airtime, participation, etc

[tardy ingot]

Ah yes the easy speedrun levels of:

R2D1, R4B2, R5C2, R5D2, R6C2, R6D1, R6D2, R8C2, R8D2 and the likes

[civic wave]

is seedindexeroverlay used for r2d1? can't remember

[native sun]

You asked about the hate on easier levels and then list a bunch of harder levels...?

[ocean lance]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

[tardy ingot]

Sub 20 was catered more towards the „get people to try stuff out“

Which is absolutely fair if thats the intent. But people have called out missions for being ass or „too easy“. Wanting harder stuff. Which just doesnt mix well imo

[ocean lance]

thank you goat

[topaz anvil]

[civic wave]

sometimes i feel i am too detached from being man to understand any of this, difference in experiences ig

[tardy ingot]

Ive listed these levels before. Just repeating what was said for some

Ive never advocated for A tiers in speeds aside from R8A2sec which I forgot but also isnt rly an A tier

[civic wave]

you lot have fun, bye

[tardy ingot]

Nop

[hoary mason]

I think it's not surprising that teams which had 2 extremely competent ppl at least got past 20 min mark easily, considering that 20 min mark was made in mind to involve other people who were not running this game before.

[little pilot]

About play time: for a skilled speedrunner already, you, me eva etc, sub 18 is literally run for 2 hours and just get a run through. For lower skill i feel like that just becomes a question of skill progression rather than just pure time commitment. Especially since r5e1 is pretty low on the rng side

[tardy ingot]

Only rng you play for in r2d1 is cell zone spawn for alarm. (Which is log checkable if its the right zone)

[steep ivy]

what's the difference between bat and knife?

[civic wave]

ya memory serves correct, though it still has the maps on it iirc

[native sun]

If you're asking why, out of a long list of hard levels, R5E1 was pushed for very hard and others were "hated on" it is because R5E1 is a very fun speed, so the people who have played it wanted that one.

[tardy ingot]

Charge speed, stagger, lots of multipliers for dmg (on knife)

Knife is small clear king

[hoary mason]

bat destroys locks in single hit without charge

[tardy ingot]

Bat breaks locks and doors with taps

[civic wave]

it's not about skill prog it's about motivation to even fuxking play

i don't know if something is getting lost in translation but people new to speedrunning are not going to enjoy banging their head against a wall for 10 hours trying to luck into a better time

[tardy ingot]

Which… I was fine with? And personally also rly enjoyed R5E1

People were litteraly arguing that anything not E tier is boring cuz its too easy tho and saying they wouldnt do it

[civic wave]

a lot of people will not put the effort in to reflect on their gameplay and improve

few people in this game have a grinder mindset

[calm pulsar]

Knife is a little faster and more kill based, while bat has a high stagger value

[ocean lance]

bat can one tap lockers

[steep ivy]

we got that bash head against wall until it works mindset 💯

[calm pulsar]

This too

[little pilot]

My issue with this argument is the assumption is no one is even gonna attempt to go for the lower time. In r3d1 this was clearly wrong since people did attempt sub 11 even after seeing they were in the 12-13 area with their best splits.

[tardy ingot]

This makes me think of a mod where bat deletes lockers from the game. That would be fucking scary

[little pilot]

And someone willing to go for sub 25 is probably willing to at least try out sub 18

[tardy ingot]

Miss the smashlock -> locker gone

[steep ivy]

other than simply shooting, how can you easily kill giants? i've had me and 3 ai bots all get wiped from a single giant and it kinda annoying

[tardy ingot]

Bots F
(Get a good occi (back of head) hit in

[civic wave]

yes, this is the point. while not explicit from that one chat message and implicit from prior messages, the point is that there'd be much less activity like RAJ and chae streams

[hoary mason]

Scatter
But really it's not just simply shooting, you need to go for limb breaks to stagger the giant each time limb breaks

[steep ivy]

is there are point to attack specific limbs?

[errant dome]

and many people came out of that feeling pissed of/annoyed btw, how many of them do you think wouldve tried again if it was also a hard time in r5e1?

[steep ivy]

good to know, i've been mostly just aiming head and then stabbing chest over and over again

[hoary mason]

Limb breaks
it staggers giant
staggered enemy does nothing
rinse repeat

[steep ivy]

do you need to wait for the stagger to finish before you can stagger again?

[tardy ingot]

Sub 11 r3d1 also translates moreso to a sub 17 r5e1 or lower ngl

[little pilot]

I did not hear any complaints? Most people wanted to do other speedruns after since it was cool to play fast.

[tardy ingot]

^

[civic wave]

people often do not talk about their dejection.

[tardy ingot]

Oh beth you changed your discord name

[errant dome]

^

[hardy grotto]

its been a long time coming

[ocean lance]

who's this beth

[calm pulsar]

No

[steep ivy]

[calm pulsar]

Look at it like a timer/grace period. Breaking a limb resets the timer

[steep ivy]

alright, good to know just gotta work at hitting them from behind

[hardy grotto]

and yeah i got the vibe people were kinda not enjoying sub 11

[hoary mason]

I feel like this arguing about r5e1 comp time became pointless since yesterdays points that were said by me and multiple others are just being regurgitated again and again.

[hardy grotto]

zed said a team he ran with was pretty mentally boomed

[ocean lance]

i ran sub 11 one or two days and stopped cause it was ass

[hoary mason]

Eva and Tgb have drastically different expectations what's this "speedrunning comp" was supposed to be compared to everybody else. That's it

[civic wave]

i think it goes further than simply expectations, but that's a whole nother argument to contend

[frail heart]

BRO how is this shit still going

[hardy grotto]

aussie time zone

then eu time zone

[ocean lance]

we will never stop

[hoary mason]

Yeah, both of them having professional(or speedrunner) deformation

[little pilot]

my want with these comps: get people to try speedrun strats, sub 18 makes vets who are good enough at the game play faster and not just get a decentish run. Sub 20 is ok for this but it leaves so much leeway for strats

[civic wave]

my insinuation is that i'm starting to feel like either there's an improper grasp of the points people are making and the sentiments they hold and communicate, or a lack of understanding of human behaviour

[steep ivy]

is there any damage reduction on the second target for if your spear hits two targets with one attack?

[civic wave]

yes, the point is that you have leeway for strats, take the level whichever way you like, take a 1 min breather somewhere

[little pilot]

no

[tiny wyvern]

the hell is going on?

[steep ivy]

yes

[hoary mason]

Which is the point of 20 min time, for non-experienced teams running it to have a chance because of that leeway and to not discourage them/invalidate their time investment into this effort.

[tardy ingot]

I had the expectation since it was stated to be for the rly good players (and by soy to have a ry tough time barrier)

Ive said that an approach to get people interested with more lenient times definetly works but that it appearantly wasnt what people wanted with statements about anything not E tier being not good

[burnt inlet]

This discussion has been going on since like last night istg

[errant dome]

wasnt the whole point is that there IS leeway for strats?

[civic wave]

ah whatever fuck this i'm done (i say for the third time)

[frail heart]

Chill and others said soy shouldn’t force split

But soy also wanted a quite hard time to get