gtfo-related-questions

[ocean spindle]

plaace is big

[tardy ingot]

Eh they rarely are tbf

[ocean spindle]

never with triple sentry gaming

🔥

[glad sun]

True

Which is why all must be broken

[ocean spindle]

class IV surge? power through

[supple gust]

[[Bishop#🐟 🎣 🐟 ]]

[azure narwhal]

how does one break open doors

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Bishop#🐟_🎣_🐟

[azure narwhal]

do they still have a hitbox

[glad sun]

Smack the ceiling

[ocean spindle]

the doors do have a hinge they go into

omg keyboard

[glad sun]

Yes

[ocean spindle]

pls

or aa hole

[azure narwhal]

ooh okay, i thought it just dissa🍐d

[ocean spindle]

thats sec doors

[glad sun]

It's funny

I learned this because I was just swinging running through and I hit an open door

I then proceeded to break the next 4 open doors

[azure narwhal]

but if it gets broken while being open, does it still show the model of a broken door with the sides like still being there but ripped in the middle if you know what i mean

[glad sun]

Yes

[azure narwhal]

that transition gotta look weird af

[ocean spindle]

yes it just appears

[glad sun]

It just appears

[glad sun]

It changes states instantly and is quite goofy

[azure narwhal]

i can only imagine

how does sound work from guns? (also do different types of guns and sentries have different "loudness"?)
like is the sound coming from where I am or where the bullet lands? and how far does it wake up? is it always just the room the sound is in or does it go across rooms?

[ocean spindle]

the sound comes from ur gun, not where it lands; it spreads 50 meteers from ur position and for every door/room divider it decreases 20 meters

[glad sun]

Pretty sure all guns have the same noise level

[azure narwhal]

aah okay, so if i snipe from 31 meters through a door right next to an enemy he wont notice?

[tardy ingot]

#guides-and-reviews message

[ocean spindle]

well the enemy that recieves the sniper probably

but otherwise the other no

[ocean spindle]

yes

[azure narwhal]

also yesterday i found out that cream mines have more cream in them then nades,, i used them once and after the wave there were like 4 cream blobs and me and my friend thought its really weak (also we used it like a normal mine on a door, which is probably really stupid,, how should you use it better? i would asume on like corridors/halls like into the direction they are coming from?)

[glad sun]

Thanks the "speeding up levels" guide btw, I hope it'll help drag timers from going into the two hour mark on many missions :]

[azure narwhal]

biggest time consumption for me is just not playing aggressive enough,, im just going slow and never wake up a room on purpose which i def should do more

[glad sun]

Into corridors, its solid into blood doors, you can use it on doors, you can shoot it to remotely foam a door

Mini boss enemies too

[azure narwhal]

thas crazy

makes sense tho cuz it has more cream than the nade

[glad sun]

C-foam nade will foam a mother in one hit, pretty sure the mine will foam a tank (?)

[ocean spindle]

mine will foam any enemy it touches

but its rare

[azure narwhal]

yours will cream any enemy it touches?

[glad sun]

Certain levels are abundant with them (relatively)

[azure narwhal]

yees i was playing one last weekend and there were cream nades and mines all over the place, my friend, i, bishop and hacker all had mines/nades and there were still a few left

[tardy ingot]

Foam
C-foam

[azure narwhal]

cream

[ocean spindle]

cream

[tardy ingot]

C-foam tripmines can freeze any foamable entity

This is rly useful for fighting tanks sometimes

[tardy ingot]

No

[azure narwhal]

cream

[tardy ingot]

Not being able to read doesnt excuse using the wrong term

At least

Say c*m

[azure narwhal]

can i cream my friends

[tardy ingot]

[azure narwhal]

😮 thats too vulgar

[tardy ingot]

.

[civic wave]

i love sex education

[azure narwhal]

education

[civic wave]

i have a unique opportunity here to make up another slang word for said excretion, pawn it off as some northern british subculture, and no-one will know any better

[ocean spindle]

we finally have a product... Cream!

the word broken no longer exists

[azure narwhal]

are my friend not a "fomable entity" irl?

fomable

cream is easier to write

such a hard time writing foam

very difficult task

[tardy ingot]

or for you

Nein

[azure narwhal]

they arent? 😢

[brazen halo]

to unlock r7e1 must i do every mission on the r7 rundown?

[errant dome]

yes

[grizzled patrol]

Play with people who already have it unlocked

[brazen halo]

nah im gonna grind it out

[shy tangle]

In R2E1, does fog turbine not spawn all the time in both shadow zones?

[grizzled patrol]

Sometimes. Very rare, but Sometimes it doesnt spawn

[shy tangle]

Dang, just happened right now, but good to know

[azure stone]

Question, for melee is the angle you aim for the back matter? Like if I am at a 60 degree and I hit them will it be a 1.75x multiplier instead of a 2x if I was directly behind them?

[frail heart]

Yes the angle does matter

[ocean spindle]

yes the angle matters

u do less damage as u go to the sides

which is why if the dmg is exact with the back dmg multi u need to not go to the sides much

[azure stone]

Thats actually wild

[ocean spindle]

is a lil more forgiving that it seems tho its not 2 degrees and ur out

[azure stone]

I thought I just had to be behind the 180 degree threshold

[civic wave]

"The expression used to determine the Back Multiplier depends only on the angle (θ) between two vectors:

the vector from the player's camera position to the location the hit connected on the enemy, and
the current direction the enemy is facing."

[[Back Multiplier]]

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.wiki.gg/wiki/Back_Multiplier

[azure stone]

So does where you hit the head matter too (Besides front and back) like the top or the center?

[ocean spindle]

the head no just the back multi

hitting the head is more straightfoward it just a yes or no

[azure stone]

Okay just wanted to double check, I need every advantage I can get in this game lmao

[ocean spindle]

so real

[azure stone]

What is the name of the op shotgun that alt f4's my enemies from my game?

Isnt it the scattergun?

[prime musk]

it is

[azure stone]

thx

[shy tangle]

Is it worth it to ping for medipack in the first error zone in R2E1?

[frail heart]

no

just check boxes along the way

youll spend more ammo doing that then just checking boxes

[shy tangle]

Makes sense

We just got past the first surge door in that part, but died shortly after. It'll keep getting easier the more familiar I am with it

[native sun]

What's the loadout? (Tools in particular)

[shy tangle]

Bio + Hel Auto Sentry

[native sun]

Oh this is duo, based, GL

[shy tangle]

This is actually my first time in r2e1. We started as kinda a "let's see how far we get" joke and haven't seen that wall yet

[native sun]

The wall is mostly the error section, getting past the first surge is a very good sign though

[shy tangle]

(Minus literally every alarm that we've died to multiple times)

[native sun]

2nd surge is nasty, but most others shouldn't be too bad

[shy tangle]

Fog alarm (3rd surge) was actually even nastier before we switched from mines to sentry

[native sun]

Checks out, HEL auto kinda solo carries that alarm

[shy tangle]

It feels very good progressing through it. Every time we get to error we're just a little bit healthier and stocked on ammo than last attempt

This last PB was actually the first time we were maxed on everything before pulling it

[steep ivy]

quick question about boosters, online i saw sources saying that your boosters don't apply to allies (in my case ai bots) so what would be the purpose of having two tool orientated boosts on the same booster

[frail heart]

elaborate

[steep ivy]

i have a booster that increases sentry cpu speed aswell as tracker cpu speed, if i use a sentry would the tracker cpu speed (that an ally carries) just be wasted?

[frail heart]

yes

Boosters only apply to you and your weapons/tools

[steep ivy]

alright cheers

[burnt inlet]

I think both of those are sentry specific, not sure though

[frail heart]

no tracker cpu speed is for the bio tracker

[steep ivy]

i assumed tracker speed was cooldown on biotracker tagging

[frail heart]

yes it is

[burnt inlet]

Ohhhh rite mb

[spark wolf]

i think the purpose is that you have a choice

[burnt inlet]

You also have a choice in picking a diff booster

[spark wolf]

[burnt inlet]

Anyways ima stop the booster hate

[edgy aurora]

It indeed appears a bit silly in a way, cause you can't dual wield a sentry and a biotracker.

and I simply accept the fact that yes, it is silly and would just use one of the tools that is mentioned in the boosters.

[steep ivy]

yeah, had tier 2 that gave over 20% cpu and sentry speed, but game deciding that my ai aren't gonna stand in first bio-scan of R2D1

[spark wolf]

does R1C2 extraction have wave

also what, 3 room spawn for z90 ?

[safe cradle]

no

it's 100% silent extraction

[safe cradle]

never noticed... I wonder why the alarm for z90 has chargers but the one for z89 is normal.

[spark wolf]

thats 99 and 98

90 is the tiny side zone with some pd and the special ceiling

[native sun]

https://thunderstore.io/c/gtfo/p/tru0067/SpawnAnalysis/ if you want to know the exact chances for it

[spark wolf]

also these charger alarms legit just spawn like 25 chargers

[runic roost]

Luckily with that room hell rifle brrt

[azure narwhal]

what are some qol mods that are vanilla compatible?

[safe cradle]

well, a lot of actual qol mods are

[fathom ice]

archive

prob

[safe cradle]

gluefix (also fixes spitteraudio)

shooterbugfix

bioscan red dot fix

accurate crosshair

damage counter

mushroom kick plug mod

[azure narwhal]

wait but if that changes behaviour of an enemy or something how can that be compatible with another player thats running vanilla?

[safe cradle]

I think all those are host side

and it doesn't change behaviour

shooterbugfix exists because the game doesn't cull items that fall through the floor

which, at a certain point, breaks collision

[azure narwhal]

ive never had anything fall through the floor, does that happen commonly?

[safe cradle]

magazines do

you just never noticed

[azure narwhal]

ooh

[safe cradle]

I really suggest using at least gluefix

since it got rid of spitteraudiobug at least for me

[azure narwhal]

what is that nug

bug**

[safe cradle]

levels that have multiple costant noise sources (generators, spitters, whatever)

have a chance of glitching the audio not getting recycled and it causes a memoryleak

so audio starts cutting off for players

eventually, pressing TAB crashes the game

[azure narwhal]

mmm okay

[safe cradle]

R2D1 is a very easy place, in my experience, to get it

[azure narwhal]

not easy to get to tho D:

[safe cradle]

It's a nice level

I've 20 something clears on it

R2D1: Statistics

[azure narwhal]

are you talking about damageindicator or damagenumbers, or something else

[safe cradle]

ehhhh let me check

damageindicator

tells you the damage everyone's doing (reports numbers and player color)

[azure narwhal]

yeah thats cool

[safe cradle]

counts sentry as player damage (but not mines I think)

[azure narwhal]

and what are the "small red dots"? one time i had a small red dot appear on my screen after opening a sec. door, is that it?

[safe cradle]

let me fetch the explanation by randomuserhi

#1255623780706029588 message

[fathom ice]

sentry does

mines doesn't

[fathom ice]

bio bug !

install bioscan fix

if u care

if u don't it's fine

[azure narwhal]

cant hurt to install i guess

[civic wave]

damage indicator only works if.youre hosting the lobby- or if you're client host needs rhe mod too

[fathom ice]

^

did u get a run ytd btw goat

[safe cradle]

To be honest I'm under the impression most fixes need host to have it?

[fathom ice]

i feel bad cuz i didn't get anyone sub 20 ytd

it's so jukt

[civic wave]

19:11

[fathom ice]

na

[fathom ice]

W

i swear i probably just throw all my lobbies

[safe cradle]

I mean host will crash even if I've gluefix

[azure narwhal]

ill just host for my friends in the future

[fathom ice]

without realising

[azure narwhal]

or theyll download aswell

[fathom ice]

hani kept saying i'm too aggressive in charger room 😔

[civic wave]

i definitely could've played cleaner but whatever

it was pretty fine bar mom kill/charger zone

[fathom ice]

i was just playing B]

instead of playing doors

kek

[civic wave]

game is so much better when more players in the lobby can take initiative

[fathom ice]

i know !!!!!!

[frail heart]

having an actual good bio player will change ur life

[azure narwhal]

hackett ❤️

[edgy aurora]

like Hackett

[azure narwhal]

is there a mod that shows the objective while you're in the terminal so you dont have to leave to terminal to read which number a keycard was? this is rarely really a problem because most of the time its just 1 thing and you can just read it before you enter the terminals interface but sometimes theres multiple +++ im a goldfish

[edgy aurora]

i dont think there is but i could be wrong

[safe cradle]

it's called LIST KEY

or am I misunderstanding what you're asking?

[azure narwhal]

no, you're completely right, a mod wouldve just been more comfortable by 5% and faster by 5%

[ocean lance]

I mean we had one but snatcher kind of decided to say no

[fathom ice]

ig

[edgy aurora]

@azure narwhal the tricky part is when you have to do terminal uplink IDs while having an alarm wave coming and all the 8 and 0 look exactly the same in small font on top left

[fathom ice]

i jsut felt checked out entire session

[ocean lance]

you and zed did feel already checked out when I joined ngl

[azure narwhal]

the mod could make the font better aswell

[ocean lance]

zed especially lmao

[fathom ice]

it was pretty cooked

[ocean lance]

turns out playing at around 2am to 5am isn't a good idea

[fathom ice]

ye

[civic wave]

I've been checked our for thr past 2.5 months...

[tardy ingot]

Bio player pls die for ping

@azure narwhal did you install a mod that ignores stam?

[azure narwhal]

the ones i specifically downloaded were:
BepInExPack_GTFO
gluefix
shooterbugfix
damageindicator
bioscannerfix
accuratecrosshair
mushroomkickplug
accuracytracker
damageanalyzer
SentryAmmoPercentageScreen
preciseUI

those downloaded automatically (i dont remember which got downloaded from what mod):
Clonesoft_Json
The_Archive_UNSTABLE_TEST_ONLY
Hikaria_Core

i dont think any of those should affect stamina?

also hikaria_core's description is just "whats this" like wth kinda description is that

[errant dome]

can confirm

cause i also was checked out, then my ISP decided enuf is enuf apparently

[ocean lance]

maybe precise ui is messing something around

not sure what it does but it seems to be the only thing I don't recognise

[azure narwhal]

when i disabled it and restartet its still there

[safe cradle]

who needs precise ui exactly

[azure narwhal]

lookin through the options now

[safe cradle]

99.01% and not 99.02% hp!

[azure narwhal]

iunno i assumed maybe it shows something interesting,, the main reason was for seeing the stamina in % which i thought was cool

[safe cradle]

damageanalyzer shows enemy hp

so I wouldn't say it's QoL

I know (since I also use) that gluefix,damageindicator,accurate,kickplug don't cause issues and I doubt shooterbug,bioscanner or accuracy tracker do, tbh...

I also never had to download any dependancy for the mods I have aside for bepinex but that's core from what I understood

[ocean lance]

it's most likely precise ui

[azure narwhal]

it should be accuracy tracker because i think thats whats infront of the other overlay,, but i dont know how to move them apart

the setting are in chinese

[safe cradle]

The Archive has A LOT of stuff tbh

[fathom ice]

archive has all of ur qol

pmuch

[azure narwhal]

yee tbh the accuracy tracker is really useless

i thought it would be fun to see how much you and your teammates hit but its really not that exciting

[frail heart]

damage indicator better

then you can farm damage

[tardy ingot]

But thats just picking scatter

[civic wave]

i love playing boss kill

[frail heart]

na its funny doing more damage than the scatter pub

[civic wave]

boss kill + clearing most stealth is same damage as wave clear on r5d1

[azure narwhal]

if i use the scatter gun on a charger will it still only give me 30 damage in the mod or the whole damage that it wouldve done if the charger had infinite HP?

[tardy ingot]

scattergun gets more dmg per refill than revolver at 100%

[frail heart]

only 30

[civic wave]

yeah,because a revolver at 100% gets no ammo per refill...

[azure narwhal]

okay makes sense

[civic wave]

(yes i know what you mean)

[tardy ingot]

[sour bronze]

Hi guys. It's been over a year since i played this game last. Has there been any patches / bugfixes?

I remember having issues with desync, graphical bugs and bugged enemy spawns all the time. Kinda stopped playing cus of it.

has any of this been adressed?

[edgy aurora]

nope, they are all still there. Welcome back, friend

[sour bronze]

hi :)

[sour bronze]

well that dissapointing

[digital mural]

desync is mostly caused by bad internet connection

So it's not like they can just fix it

[sour bronze]

ah ok. my wifi was a bit janky back then. might explain it

[digital mural]

Also what kind of graphical bugs did you encounter?

[sour bronze]

Huge black expanding spot in the middle of my screen during an error alarm. Ended the run

happened a few times

[digital mural]

Lol

Gotta love liquid but

[tardy ingot]

Desync: connection issue, but yes if you have bad connection with some its not unusual. (As someone who regularly plays with australians, its not the worst tho ngl)

Graphical bugs? The only ones I can think off are liqid/void bug and void/door bug (one makes you blind“ish“ and the other unloads a room for a bit if crossing weird)

Bugged enemy spawns?

[sour bronze]

enemies spawning inside walls during alarms causing stamina to drain, but since they're inside the wall we couldnt kill then

[tardy ingot]

Liquid bug is so wack

I have 3.4k hours and Ive had it about <10 times
I know 6 of them were in the span of 1 week and havent happened since rly

[sour bronze]

i have ~400h and had it about 8 times. half of those were during error alarms😭

[tardy ingot]

Can happen but is honestly quite rare (and doesnt rly matter).
Tho there is typically ways to kill them (just an extra hassle)

I dont think ive had an enemy spawn in a wall for months

[sour bronze]

ah ok

[sour bronze]

how would i kill them

i wanna know just in case it happens again

[runic roost]

Australian desync is a different game

[tardy ingot]

Depending on where/which enemy

If they have anything peek out, kill them there

If fully stuck in a wall you can quite often have a mine semi clip into a wall and have it explode (dmging the enemy inside too)

[digital mural]

Imagine living upside down AND with bad internet

Such a horrible life

[runic roost]

Imagine creating wifi and having the worst of it

[sour bronze]

oh i didnt think of using a mine. good idea, thx :)

[tardy ingot]

ngl the only times we rly suffer from it is when we have checkpoint desync for speedruns or the rare door not opening at first

But like, we spam runs and if we werent speeding it wouldnt matter

[fathom ice]

r8b3 fliers be like

[sour bronze]

yeah my biggest issue was desync, but if you're saying thats only due to poor internet then it should be fine now. thx for the help

[runic roost]

Ah yes the 4min delay to open doors

[ocean lance]

tbh desync from people thst are far away isn't because they're far away it's because their Internet is bad

[runic roost]

Justified pee break

[runic roost]

Yuppppp

Stable but far internet is more than manageable

[ocean lance]

really is

[runic roost]

But when you see a room of headless sleepers

[ocean lance]

I'm sure frosty doesn't desync much, the only issue he runs in is most likely ping

which he just got used to

[runic roost]

We merely adopted the desync

He was born in it

Moulded by it

[tardy ingot]

Its poor connection between players (most typically host and client, but can be client and client)

[tardy ingot]

„Much“ is not rly precise

Hes desynced a good bit when he was streaming our runs

but usually its tgb internet being cooked

or kenny running a vpn LOL

[runic roost]

Truuu sometimes clients really do screw with it abit

[ocean lance]

well so it wasn't his fault no?

[tardy ingot]

?

[sour bronze]

Another topic. What good QoL mods do you recommend? I always played vanilla but ive seen people use a lot of mods.

[runic roost]

Cconsole

[sour bronze]

I dont want to have mods that actually make the game easier

[fathom ice]

archive

accurate crosshair

killindicator fix

[runic roost]

Rainbow scouts

[fathom ice]

damage indicator

packs helper

[tardy ingot]

If you rly wanna use mods its like 90% just fixes for bugs

The only real qol stuff thats viewed favourably is accuratecrosshair (also kinda a fix if you changed fov) and damage indicator

[fathom ice]

pierce bug fix !!!!!

by tru0067

[runic roost]

Screw qol chuck and drum on that high cal

un drums your veruta

[tardy ingot]

but ngl you dont rly need qol mods

they can be a decent addition tho

[fathom ice]

ngl

[sour bronze]

ok thx

[fathom ice]

i'm fine with vanilla

for the exception of accurate crosshair

[tardy ingot]

the biggest ones are the ones that fix levels from bugging out (spitter audio bug being a big one to be fixed)

[fathom ice]

it just helps a lot

[ocean lance]

my only qol mod I need is low graphics

[tardy ingot]

Also unnecessary but def 1 that would be better for vanilla

[fathom ice]

nah like

it's more like

[runic roost]

Bros fighting minecraft spiders

[fathom ice]

u play it for 1000 hours

and then u run vanilla for speeds

and it's just so cooked switching

[ocean lance]

very true

[tardy ingot]

Also have you guys seen that dow (in recent footage) uses the same circle crosshair as gtfo

💀

[fathom ice]

it was gtfo 2 all along

[tardy ingot]

its gonna be cooked with fov AGAIN

[runic roost]

40 fov default this time

Screen rumble on bullets

[ocean lance]

dow proving once again it's going to be bad

[runic roost]

Fuck it make you getting hit move your aim to the ceiling

[frail heart]

yeah thats why i dont use those types of mods in my vanilla profile

i speed so much itll just be shit

[ocean lance]

best feature of gtfo for sure

[fathom ice]

yeah

it feels so nice

when ur sawed off circle is so small

and vanilla is just 💀

[ocean lance]

you don't like your scattergun circle to be your whole screen?

[runic roost]

Fuck you takes half the screen

[fathom ice]

тщ

[runic roost]

your target is now yes

[fathom ice]

no

[sour bronze]

also does the scattergun still 1 shot giants? I dont remember if it was rebalanced.

[fathom ice]

yes

[tardy ingot]

Aim punch*

(And theres a clip where it looks like someone does get aim punched 💀 )

[runic roost]

Wild, this is gonna be payday 4

[sour bronze]

embed fail :(

[tardy ingot]

It was buffed lol

[fathom ice]

epic embed fail

[ocean lance]

aim punch arguably the worst mechanic in the game

[tardy ingot]

nah

[sour bronze]

WAHT

I swear it was op already

[tardy ingot]

without aimpunch getting hit would be far less punishing

[tardy ingot]

Shocker its the best gun in the game

[ocean lance]

well it's for me cause I come from arena shooters

[fathom ice]

aim punch sucks

but it's fair

[ocean lance]

where aim punch isn't a thing

[runic roost]

Me when Im about to scatter a group and a shooter decides otherwise

[tardy ingot]

Ya

The one time its bs is when you are looking down and it TURNS YOU AROUND

[ocean lance]

aim punch is fair but I hate it when placing down sentries

and it just fucks you over

[fathom ice]

yeahhh

nm shooters are also

jukt

[tardy ingot]

Sentrys placements fucked in speedrun at least one of every few runs due to it

[fathom ice]

homing 💀

[ocean lance]

so stupid

[fathom ice]

oh yea for sure

[runic roost]

The bane of scatter is truly shooters

[ocean lance]

anywho who's running today

I'm about to go to work and be home evening

[runic roost]

Running from yo mom

[fathom ice]

not sure if running today

we'll see

[ocean lance]

got me good

[uneven kiln]

@tardy ingot Can I ask about your tierlist again why R8C1 PE is classified as flawed but interesting

[fathom ice]

cuz idea is interesting but realisation is cooked

[frail heart]

a lot of the mechanics were interesting and could have been really good but werent executed well

[uneven kiln]

you can get specific with spoilers, I gave it a shot last night and felt somewhat mixed about it, but I can't tell quite why. I was wanting input from anyone who has more experience with it. I don't think it's terrible perse either

[fathom ice]

unironically

they should've made spawns from elevator

[frail heart]

the fog mechanic was not executed well

[fathom ice]

and it's already better

[frail heart]

na i think the spawns are fine

[frail heart]

and secondary actually does nothing

[topaz anvil]

R8c1 the one with cycling fog?

[fathom ice]

yes

[frail heart]

its a lot of the "what could have been"

[runic roost]

Becauseeee “We are diverting majority of our resources to DOW”

So 🖕 :D

[native sun]

BetterTerminalInfo (it's even clientside) (more applicable when playing modded rundowns, vanilla generally does a much better job of making terminal commands clear)

[frail heart]

yeah not really the level designers fault tho

[tardy ingot]

Disagree
Spawns being multi sided is what can make it interesting at times

[fathom ice]

ure just getting cooked tho

[sour bronze]

I know theres yellow and green glowsticks. But i swear i remember seeing red ones too ages ago. Am I insane?

If not, it mightve been a mod

[civic wave]

Red glowsticks were around in og r4 extension

[sour bronze]

yeah thats around the correct time

ok so im not insane

[tardy ingot]

Fog mechanic is a bit borked in useage but idea was nice

Secondary itself is extremely off from the rest of the level. And the shadow error it starts for overload just doesnt matter
Wouldve been cooler if it made fog infectious or anything else

Main is ok (rarely done tho)
For Overload the side zones couldve been more distinct with what you have to deal with.
Then also make it so it always goes through all 3 side zones (likely starting with center as first).

[topaz anvil]

It's meant to be hard no?

[fathom ice]

i mean

ig

but then u have d1 and e1

erm n erm

[topaz anvil]

Just look at r7e1

That big zone scan only has enemies from one side

Super easy

[fathom ice]

i mean if u shoot it it's still a bit scary

[topaz anvil]

Not really because you don't have to worry about being flanked

[fathom ice]

but what if pablo

[topaz anvil]

The only thing behind you is pabby and you have teammates (most of the time (if they aren't pigs))

[uneven kiln]

gotcha, this makes a lot of sense. Maybe if the fog cycling were in a faster paced level it would be better instead

[sour bronze]

well i just played a round to get the hang of the game again in r6a1. All the bots decided to go stand on a box and are unable to leave

[runic roost]

Play solo more fun

[sour bronze]

and they're dancing

[sour bronze]

nah im playing with friends later. i just wanted to get into a quick game to see if i remember how to play

[runic roost]

Oh def I meant solo is more fun than micro managing bots imo 😩

[sour bronze]

oh yeah probably. i just leave the bots to do their own thing and just play the level

[burnt inlet]

Just reload the level prolly, or you just run and hope they fix themselves

[runic roost]

They do teleport(I think)

[burnt inlet]

(Also iirc R6A1 isn’t that hard so you could solo it prolly)

[burnt inlet]

Noclip

[sour bronze]

nah i just kicked the bots and finished the level

[runic roost]

Definitely so when you play with friends you can feel dominance

[burnt inlet]

Yep

[civic wave]

I did og r6a1 the other day, funny hearing schaffer be confused

instead of plain crazy

[burnt inlet]

Crazy?

I was crazy once

[runic roost]

Shut

[inner inlet]

They locked me in a room

[burnt inlet]

A rubber room

[inner inlet]

A rubber room with rats

[topaz anvil]

Hey, do you remember me? What? How could they remember me?.... You are part of a machine, a legion of workers....... Legion...... I, I have to go

[safe cradle]

A few notes (regarding my "codefetching solo" attempts in R4E1), if anyone wants to give me constructive criticism, thanks: The damn blood door is sometimes a breeze, sometimes enough, sometimes I need to go back to the only normal door in that zone (which didnt wake up any moms but in that instance no mom were super-close to the sec door, not sure it matters anyway).

HEL Rifle helps a lot but then it means having to guesswork where the head is for shadowscouts, I managed to but it was perhaps just a stroke of luck, and PR means I can just open and bang.). Sawn off is really borked: I held off 8 chargers and a BBC just by carefully staggering them with it while running in circles in reactor room, and it's basically a ticket to keep staggering big shits without getting hit.

Can I ALWAYS open blood door+retreat to the single room in the back, close+mine, to make that shit easier without waking up anything?

All that I'm doing for last code fetch is just pull room by shooting scout and line shit up abusing the loooong catwalk, so far I've been lucky because the scouts were in separate rooms, otherwise?

Is it worth taking HEL Rifle? Sawn off + PR feels super comfy but HEL Rifle makes it so that I've a lot of error margin when I pull rooms or the blood door.

Would PDW+HEL Rifle make it easier and still allow me to juggle beegs?

Do people actually pull BBC room alone? I managed to but used like 4-5 mines and a fuckton of ammo. Would've felt way easier with at least 1 more helping me.

[inner inlet]

I ant reading all that😭 🙏

[safe cradle]

😄 Thanks in advance for anyone that bothers reading all that and answering I guess.

[civic wave]

yes, if you're in 514B you'll never wake up moms

alternatively, in real world runs, you may mine the blood door adequately and pull it in the middle of reactor wave - you'll have scream CD so 515A won't wake up from the blood door, whatever lives afterwards you can melee through and then stealth the room

[civic wave]

you rarely ever get 2 scouts in one room, but in that instance you may simply try to melee one and then shoot the other

for the loadout, PR is a bit sucky but ultimately it shouldn't matter, you can do it either way so unfortunately i don't have much input to offer

oh and also if you're using the door in 514B to fight blood door and closing and mining it, you may only kill about 3 sleepers with the mine, they trickle quite hard

[upper ginkgo]

people also partial pull charger room if you aren't doing that

and usually do it during reactor sequence so they're on scream cd too

[safe cradle]

Thanks, both of you, I didnt think that I could use scream cd in a real scenario since I'm cconsoling most of it.

[frail heart]

is this a full solo?

[safe cradle]

No, the plan is just to "get better" at code fetching solo R4E1

What are you asking exactly?

Yeah I'm testing this without bots

and that's the idea

[frail heart]

i thought you were doing true solo r4e1

[safe cradle]

nah

[topaz anvil]

How much gravy do you gulp per hour

[hasty crane]

if a tank runs through a mine does it take damage?
like on a door
or only if the mine is behind the tank

[prime musk]

it takes damage if the mine hits a tumour first

[sage pulsar]

what do I try next without walking into a difficulty spike

*solo

**I finished those levels

[fathom ice]

damn it's been a year

[topaz anvil]

Since what, r8?

Wish we could turn back time

[tardy ingot]

R3A1, eh
Kill the 2 hybrids then its somewhat chill
R7A1 is legit just a walking sim

[azure stone]

Question when using the list command does it also list things like cfoam nades and mines along with the resource packs?

[digital mural]

no

consumables dont get listed

[azure stone]

Is there a special command for them?

[civic wave]

mo

[digital mural]

no

[civic wave]

no

[azure stone]

kay thx

[topaz anvil]

no :3

[azure stone]

Wait what about long range flashlights are those consumables?

[digital mural]

yes

[azure stone]

So they dont get listed?

[digital mural]

nope, they dont

[azure stone]

Another question if I throw a glowstick and hit a dude will it wake up?

[delicate oyster]

no

[azure stone]

Wait seriously?

[civic wave]

consumables don't have collision hitboxes

[azure stone]

I wil use this information very well with my friends by trolling them now 🙃

[ocean spindle]

me throwing my melee at an enemy accidentally

[azure stone]

Can you one shot charger feelers in the back with the hammers?

[jagged shore]

no

two people with hammers hitting in very close succession can kill them, but no one person can melee them without a yellow syringe

[azure stone]

does the scatter gun 1 shot them?

[jagged shore]

yeah

easily

[azure stone]

thx

[hasty crane]

can c foam trip mines do player damage?

like friendly fire

[ocean spindle]

nopi

[patent mulch]

cant c-foam myself 😔

[grizzled patrol]

@digital mural are people calling you a minor because you bust Like s C foam Tripmine?

[digital mural]

🤨 🤨 🤨 🤨

[frail heart]

what the fuck are you on cunt

[mild blaze]

does a sledge one shot a scout to the head or does it have to be back of its head

[patent mulch]

Just head

[frail heart]

only bat and knife have to be back of head

[digital mural]

bad

[frail heart]

SHUT UP

[digital mural]

Make me baby girl

[frail heart]

Erm what the scallop

[digital mural]

Why is your name Gravy Gulper now

[frail heart]

soy changed it

bc i said i like kfc gravy a lot

[digital mural]

Do you tho?

[frail heart]

yes

i dip everything in it

[digital mural]

even Deez?

[frail heart]

like that one ad they put out that ppeople were going crazy over for no reason and saying that kfc meat is actually human flesh and they've known it for ages

[frail heart]

yes

[digital mural]

[digital mural]

What

[frail heart]

tiktok people

[digital mural]

Ah

[frail heart]

fucking weirdos

[digital mural]

It doesn't surprise me anymore

[frail heart]

yep lmao

[grizzled patrol]

Fent

[frail heart]

i can tell

[ocean spindle]

why are u surprised

in here we used to say those types of things all the time kdmsm

[umbral echo]

guys how do i control idiot friends from aggroing every enemy on the map?

[digital mural]

Kill them

[umbral echo]

any way to non lethally "pacify" them?

[edgy aurora]

give constructive criticisms and be kind, gentle with cute words

[digital mural]

Kidnap them

[umbral echo]

he doesnt understand words

[edgy aurora]

im so sorry for you

[digital mural]

Cwan ywou pwease nwot wake up scwouts
👉 👈

Tell them that

[spark wolf]

walk up to them right as they enter a terminal

[safe cradle]

R4A2, me, then 3 guys that never did it, get to the end, extraction scan, one guy goes down trying to place a tripmine, scattergun guy kills the 3rd player (for fun), then scatters me too at scan being like 80%. He goes down seconds after.

[burnt inlet]

the reason i didnt actually kill eva

[hollow pollen]

that's an interesting question

[safe cradle]

I know

got an answer?

[hollow pollen]

dodge

[safe cradle]

Charger?

or Viper?

[hollow pollen]

[rocky torrent]

what a fucking waste of time that was

[safe cradle]

ah you remember? xD

[rocky torrent]

yeah

I was the guy that got scattergunned 💀

twice

[safe cradle]

I can do an R4A2 and invite you at the end if you want

so you get the completion

Personally I didnt care that he shot me and we lost

but since you and the other guy needed the clear

that was very bad of him

[rocky torrent]

it lets you join mid round?

[safe cradle]

yeah

[rocky torrent]

oh that's pretty cool

I mean I'll probably just run it again myself

[azure narwhal]

waaaat i didnt know that

[inner inlet]

False info🎣

[azure narwhal]

damnn

i thought bleepo was a pro gamer

[spark wolf]

wtf is sniper sentry

i placed it directly facing a dude in 5 different spots and its not shooting him

is the tracking just getting stuck on the terrain or something

even placing this thing in long hallway it shoots one of the 10 enemies

did they reallym ake it useless without bio

[mortal tide]

yes

[spark wolf]

also any tips for R1D1 2nd alarm solo

[prime musk]

my understanding is that if there is an enemy in the target area for 2.8s, it will start shooting enemies at 23.08rpm
it targests the enemy closest to it in the target area, and switching targets doesn't care about the 2.8s. however, even a single frame of no enemy in target area resets the 2.8s so it kinda sucks

[ocean lance]

go long

[spark wolf]

the target range seems so tiny, the visual green thing will literally scan right through it but its not detecting him

[prime musk]

burst sentry for sure
play hel gun/rifle/revo for ammo efficiency, and try to manage waves using bridge when given the option - the ammo is kinda tight, but you have enough to kill parts of wave on bridge and then do scans if you feel like you're overrun

[spark wolf]

do you not open a extra zone then

[prime musk]

nop

not worth

[spark wolf]

4 use tool kinda sad

[prime musk]

it's very weird, with some placements it shreds alarm/reactor waves even without bio

and sometimes it does nothing

[spark wolf]

but 7-8 ammo is alright

[prime musk]

iirc when i did r1d1 solo with burst sentry

i had sentry left over from class 4

[ocean lance]

wait if you open side zone you have a lot more ammo no? with sentry shouldn't it be easy-ish?

[spark wolf]

its 7-8 ammo already in that zone

[ocean lance]

oh wtf

[spark wolf]

4/4 or 5/3 split

[prime musk]

enemies spawn closer and from multiple directions, it is kinda really bad

[spark wolf]

i mean 5/2

sorry

[ocean lance]

it's just a burst sentry angle into shooting better imo

[spark wolf]

yah i can survive it but trying to do it more clean

sometimes its just a wave of 5 giants

sometimes theres hybrids

[ocean lance]

yeah iirc that alarm is ass with its bigs

[prime musk]

hybrids??

[spark wolf]

sometimes there shooters hiding in the fog below

yah it has hybrid chance

[ocean lance]

ye

[prime musk]

ngl i have never seen hybrids there

[spark wolf]

[ocean lance]

I have an obscene amount of d1 clears

the amoubnt of times I've seen hybrids is pretty high ngl

[spark wolf]

wasnt like that in original

cuz hybrids didnt even exist yet

[ocean lance]

better times

[spark wolf]

also the heat thing for waves was bugged so you'd get a giant or 2 in the first wave and then there would never be a giant again

but now it keeps spawning more giants

no fog repellers in side zones?

there is def enough time between the waves with how long they take so fighting is kinda fine its just you dont see anything if you're down below

[prime musk]

for sure

the big issue is shooters below

no

it's 2 on wave 4 6 and 8

(might be 3 on wave 8 idr)

naw it's chill, especially on wave 8

they all spawn at the end with the giants so hel rifle/gun just clears

[azure narwhal]

which weapon was the one with the blue thermal vision i forgorr,, and is it main or special?

[low radish]

PDW main

[prime musk]

pdw, main weapon

[azure narwhal]

thansk

[keen seal]

precision rifle trust

[errant dome]

i wish pr had 15 dmg

[keen seal]

nuh uh

[errant dome]

would actually make it runnable vs chargers

[errant dome]

but why :(

[azure narwhal]

i wish spear was throwable and exploded on impact

[keen seal]

idk ask the devs

[errant dome]

@ 10 chambers

smh

[ocean lance]

I wish I was good at the game

[keen seal]

me too

[errant dome]

me 3

[ocean lance]

but no fuck you 10chambers

[azure narwhal]

me when i beat D levels as a duo

[ocean lance]

can barely do C tiers duo I wish...

[azure narwhal]

i still cant beat R1C1 3 people 1 bot

[ocean lance]

das a hard one

[azure narwhal]

i despise that level

[ocean lance]

only captain america can save you there

[azure narwhal]

already got that message, but havent played since i got the tips

[spark wolf]

R1C1 sit all the way at back of bridge and shoot with hel gun, shoot very low so it hits crawlers too

do not actually aim

[prime musk]

^^

shoot the line when enemies get to it

[azure narwhal]

what if my good looking friends distract me

[spark wolf]

if you are multiplayer, try to stack up on top of eachother so they still line up

[azure narwhal]

on top????

how

[spark wolf]

i mean just sit close to each other

[azure narwhal]

yay cuddling

[ocean lance]

so basically you penetrate your friends and the enemies

so you get extra value

[spark wolf]

hell yeah

[ocean lance]

teamkills + enemy kills

[azure narwhal]

is this also a viable strat irl

[azure narwhal]

oh youre talking about kills

yeah yeah sure good strat

[ocean lance]

yeah it's not bad

[azure narwhal]

with less idiots on the team im more likely to win

actually makes sense

im gonna mine myself

[spark wolf]

and dont be afraid to use the resources nearby

the timer gets longer towards the end

so grab far away resources at the end

[azure narwhal]

ye we always run between rounds to get stuff

[spark wolf]

when you get enough time to do so

[azure narwhal]

most of the time i have to leave before the round (to go to terminal) is completely over tho and then my friends lose alot of HP cuz they suck (just like me)

[tardy ingot]

Why?

you dont have to leave early at all

[azure narwhal]

enemies not fully cleared yet

[tardy ingot]

Just leave once wave is dead is fine

[spark wolf]

the timer can be kinda close tbh if ur not going for quick kills

and for quick kill u defend in a shittier spot

so ye

[tardy ingot]

The wave timer maybe
The input timer is an extra 45 sec

[azure narwhal]

once i was like 1 second too late to terminal and if we already cant beat 8 waves how we gonna do 9

[prime musk]

in solo you leave when wave timer is over or a few seconds later, sometimes wave isn't dead

[tardy ingot]

Just leave when the wave is over
You get 45 seconds to run (which takes 30 tops)

[spark wolf]

if you're defending at back of bridge, which is best defense for sure, the timer can be kinda close

[prime musk]

^

[azure narwhal]

were like right next to the yellow truck

[spark wolf]

but ppl often defend at the hole and then its like insta kill on the waves

which is harder but it gives so much more time

[azure narwhal]

whats "the hole"

[spark wolf]

the hole is a bit more towards spawn then the truck

its literally a hole in the wall that leads to the room with the bridge/truck

[tardy ingot]

its the hole in the wall

[azure narwhal]

oooh the one in the wall

for some reason i was thinking in the ground

[azure narwhal]

so we shouldnt do it if we suck

[spark wolf]

it works so well cuz 2 room spawn and the tiny section between hole and sec door is a room

so room 2 is at the sec door

very close spawns so very quick kills allowing next wave to spawn very quickly too

[azure narwhal]

doesnt that mean that more waves will spawn total consuming a bunch of resources?

or is it always a fixed amount

[spark wolf]

no cuz reactor is set amount of waves

[azure narwhal]

aah okay

thought it just spawns as long as the timer is ticking

[spark wolf]

its designed so it'll usually end up around that but not quite and it can get dragged out a bunch due to spawn cap holding back waves

[azure narwhal]

yeah thats probably why i nearly always have to leave them before everything is dead

[spark wolf]

yeh maybe

make sure u bringing all sentry or sentries + 1 bio

the other tools are not really helpful here

[tardy ingot]

and sentries burst realistically (having 2 down for most of the waves, 3rd when pressured)

[spark wolf]

for the harder waves u can put multiple sentry

yeh

[azure narwhal]

i think we gonna put the 3rd (maybe it was 2nd AND 3rd?) on waves 4,6 and 8 like the bot recommended (i think)

[azure narwhal]

we just placed everything down and ran out on wave 6-7

[spark wolf]

[azure narwhal]

gaming

[ocean spindle]

LIKE THE BOT RECOMMENDED KMSDKMS

i forgot we have that

im so used to pablo doing it

[azure narwhal]

is pablo some sort of R1C1 coach

[prime musk]

@digital mural

[tardy ingot]

I mean realistically you have enough ammo for way more than 8 waves

[ocean spindle]

useed to be but now the copypaste might take that job

i mean the bot

[azure narwhal]

hold my beer

my biggest problem with r1c1 is the 10km walk you have to do before starting to play the game

so restarting is gigaannoying cicle

[tardy ingot]

Fully shoot every room (its rly only 5 rooms with enemies)

it will take you 2 min

[azure narwhal]

trueeeee we always stealthed because we didnt wanna "waste" ammo

[digital mural]

Captain America: puts foot on chair "So you are having trouble with R1C1"

a reactor is ultimately 3 parts,
1 Wave Defense
2 gathering resources in between
3 getting the code into the terminal in time
If you already know how R1C1's reactor works, then its just the first two things you need, and they can go hand in hand

the most popular place to defend for many reasons is the bridge tile. the hole in the wall at the south end is a great choke point where you can get angles and focus your sentries, the bridge itself is a perfect funnel if/as you fall back, and its only about a 30 second run to the reactor terminal.

when you start looting after the shooting, you have quite a lot of resources around you to spend as the code person runs out and runs back. and on longer warm up times for the later codes, you have enough time to run forward and loot in previous areas.

when giants spawn having someone with a good weapon for bigs like hel rifle is useful (especially for hybrids) as well as saving tool by only having 2 sentries down for most waves, saving it for later waves or the waves with Hybrids (4, 6, 8).

this is definitely a 3 sentry + 1 bio tracker level, and when you learn all sentries are not created equal.
Burst is the best all-arounder.
Sniper sentry thrives with bio tracking and the long sight lines on this level.
shot gun sentry is in the game
Autosentry is in the game.

if you have a bot, they are a boss with the biotracker so give them that, and if you have three bots god go with you.

[safe cradle]

The game does let you join midgame

no idea why @inner inlet said otherwise

I gifted some R2D1 and R4B1 runs sometimes

Cringe? Perhaps.

Still, someone joined.

[burnt inlet]

Nah u da goat

[topaz anvil]

Pls use server command

[digital mural]

Shut the fuck up

[umbral echo]

can someone teach me how the level system works because i just dont understand it

[prime musk]

the letter denotes the difficulty

A is easiest E is hardest

[umbral echo]

so what would be the intended progression be just fully doing a rundown alphabetically?

[civic wave]

you've got rundowns - each rundown is a set of levels
within each rundown there'll be individual levels, roughly ordered from A (easier) to E (harder)
each level will retain the same objective and same overall layout on every run, but RNG will be different (encompassing enemy spawns, resource locations, consumable spawns, etc)

[civic wave]

whatever you want it to be, most people try to do it in order (all of R1 in order, then all of R2 in order, etc etc) but there's nothing specifically intended

stuff's just there for you to play it

[umbral echo]

i see

[civic wave]

you could go to a later rundown (rundown 6) and play levels that are a bit more interesting before going back to the early rundowns which are a bit bare

[burnt inlet]

@umbral echo a lot of people jump around after R2D2, I haven’t done R2D2 yet I’ve done everything from R8A1 to R6C1

[umbral echo]

i want to play the game again but im too mentally exhausted after playing for only 3 hours straight

[burnt inlet]

I usually keep it to around one to three matches per session

Depends on length of level

Yep

I could barely do 1 match of R2D1 when I was grinding it lol

Also play with friends

R2C2 and R4A2(?) (||the one with the overload error alarm||)

[fathom ice]

team u play a level

[burnt inlet]

I could do for hours

[fathom ice]

if ure hard stuck

u do other level

[umbral echo]

we suck so we were just doing the first two misisons on r1

[fathom ice]

end of story

[burnt inlet]

Yea this tbh

[burnt inlet]

If you’ve completed them you can move on, R1C1 can be a bit uhhhh unforgiving to newbies tho

[undone raven]

how to get carry for r5e1 cs 😔

[fathom ice]

#gtfo-speed-running

[burnt inlet]

Post in speedrun looking for it

I mean that they’re fun

[undone raven]

thx gang

[burnt inlet]

It’s the uhhhhh|| secondary with HSU and main was two objective items||

[umbral echo]

also is there anyway to just reload a level without going through a loading screen?

[burnt inlet]

Oh na I could run those for days

[burnt inlet]

Only thru checkpoints but that’s later on

But no you need to load the game and RNG in🙃

But also you can skip the first cutscene via holding down a button

[umbral echo]

no i mean like just restart it, because when ever someone does something stupid in the first 5 minutes we have to sit through another loading screen

[burnt inlet]

Just not the dropping part

[burnt inlet]

Unless you both die you don’t need to go back honestly

[umbral echo]

the west has fallen

[hard nexus]

2d1 is chill tho, now 5 hours of r2d2

is peak

2d2 is good

so 5c2

idk i like the reactor level 3 hum

very soothing

[knotty locust]

can someone tell me the additional argument for the terminals

[ocean spindle]

wdym, the filters to list?

[knotty locust]

loop etc

i havent played in a long time but im pretty sure you could loop a ping

[ocean spindle]

oh yes, PING X -T

[wild flare]

works only if you stay on terminal tho

[knotty locust]

thx

[tardy ingot]

Its also really not that good ngl

just repeatedly doing „up arrow“ „enter“ repeats it too

but the ping actually stays

[grizzled patrol]

Its great when you want to Go AFK for a Moment but Keep pinging the Cell

Dont advise tho, since it can get very annoying

[burnt inlet]

ping cell_420 -t

[hard nexus]

go pick it up then

[uneven kiln]

This is sort of a high level question: Why is it that on some runs I've seen on Twitch/YT a striker can basically fully scream but the room just won't wake up and melee stealth is retained?

I don't think it's tied to global scream timer

[little pilot]

screams can be cancelled if the enemy is staggered at the correct time

[civic wave]

there is also a funny hidden rule

[fathom ice]

they call it a pro gamer move

or

[civic wave]

only the first scream can wake room

[fathom ice]

if enemy already screamed

yeah

[civic wave]

so if you get an enemy to scream

lead it into another room with sleeping enemies

and it screams again

lmao nothting happens

what a loser

thanks for scream cd

[uneven kiln]

wow ok that's a really funny hidden rule

[fathom ice]

free scream cd

kek

[civic wave]

it was theorycrafted to be a way to giant kite r4e1 to solo it without using an external program to limit fps

but then hani just did it without enemy capping/kiting because he's that good lmao

[ocean spindle]

me waking up a bbc to let it scream and then laugh as he cannot wake the room anymore until he -40% hps me

[uneven kiln]

So, let me pose an adjacent scenario: what might be the reason a scream wouldn't wake a room, and you know it completed, and it was able to tongue afterwards?

is it a visible stagger to cancel a scream?

because I've definitely killed screaming sleepers, but can't openly recall just staggering one

and it seems like that scream does need to fully play before it will actually wake

[spark wolf]

screams are also targeted

and if the target is a bot then the scream won't wake anything

[civic wave]

that too

[uneven kiln]

wow, we need to add that to @wild flare's list from yesterday

[spark wolf]

the sound still fully plays even if its cancelled

[wild flare]

too specific, i think, to add

you cannot manipulate this

[uneven kiln]

it explains quite a bit of incidents I've seen with solo players running around with bots though

it'd be worth mentioning that you can't manip it but that it can happen

[wild flare]

ok, i will add this on list

sometimes it seems so outrageous, when enemy do full scream animation, but nothing woke up xd

[uneven kiln]

another superpower that bots have that just randomly procs

[wild flare]

i will also add cheese tactic to list, that you can kick and re-add bot 2 times, and they will restore their ammo/tool to default numbers

[uneven kiln]

classic bot cheese, yep

[wild flare]

also revivng them this way

sheesh, list becoming bigger then i thought

[uneven kiln]

bots have a lot of hidden superpowers even I wasn't aware of

[safe cradle]

they can open locks without making noise

only way for them to wake something up and make it actually awake is shooting a mine

otherwise if you give them an hel gun and they shoot an enemy you woke up

and the bullet hits the enemy behind it, that enemy will be in a frozen state

as in, awake, but doesn't react to anything nor will attack you

saw it like twice during all the time I played with bots

there's even a recording on this somewhere in GTFO Media (not by me)

[wild flare]

i never saw this through 550h+ playing with bots, not like i often gave them pen weapon tho

[safe cradle]

It's super rare because it requires a lot of conditions to proc

I had it happen in R3C1 res zone first room

which has a crazy density

I assume another way would be to give them a weapon with enough pellets and have it partially hit an enemy

[wild flare]

hel shotgun

[safe cradle]

I think you can test this mechanic with that mod that allows bots to attack sleeping enemies?

zombified initiative or something

[wild flare]

this always sounds so op

[safe cradle]

I never tried it so I've no idea if it allows that

[wild flare]

me neither xd

[wild flare]

realistically you almost never ever utilize this

[safe cradle]

yes

[wild flare]

i mean you could control it, if you make enemies glow with flashlight

[safe cradle]

No, if they're super close to the lock

I'm pretty sure they wake up istantly?

[wild flare]

no

i had mother or giant standing next to lock, made enemy glow, then bot came to lock and broke it

[safe cradle]

yes

because bot broke it

you breaking it would have woken them up?

[wild flare]

for sure

[safe cradle]

AH

I misunderstood what you wrote

[wild flare]

there was like 1-2 meters distance 😂

[uneven kiln]

bots are always coded to use sledgehammer no matter what weapon you give them too right

[safe cradle]

yeah well controlling it not really

USUALLY me standing close to a lock makes them EVENTUALLY break it

[safe cradle]

I dont know if it's sledge I know it's all the same no matter what

[wild flare]

you should actually keep some distance from lock, so bot could came and break it

same for lock melters

you can notice that, when bot in middle of breaking lock / using lock melter animation and you come close to that lock, bot stops doing it

[ocean spindle]

r8c1 has cscouts right

[wild flare]

according to Kenny list no

[ocean spindle]

D:

my mind betrayed me theen

[errant dome]

no c-scout

[polar path]

So if there is a room with multiple scouts and I alert one: 1. that will chain into all the other scouts also triggering? 2. How does multiple scout waves work with the enemy count limit? Does the "excess" just go away (never spawn)? Are the waves done in series one after another as count becomes available? Does it ignore the count and spawn a massive wave?

[ocean spindle]

if u alrt one and the other is in the saame room yes, it counts as an enemy scream
the waves will fill up the cap until u make some room by killing then more will come in, altho i believe 2 scout waves will fill up the cap

[errant dome]

1- Yes, 2- They will be put on queue, once you kill enough enemies the queued up scout waves will spawned

[ocean spindle]

i think an (average) scout wave is 12 enemies

and the cap is for 25

i mean-

there kmsdkm

25 enemies

[errant dome]

xd

[ocean spindle]

oopsi

[polar path]

Thanks very much both of you. 🙂

[misty kernel]

what does cfoam booster does?

[digital mural]

Makes you use less tool ammo

[ocean spindle]

lowers thw amount of % used per blob or something so like that, so its better to use always full chargers when using foam boosters

[low radish]

Makes the full charge use less % of c-foam launcher

[burnt inlet]

Hate to say it but I have to do it

[low radish]

You know i unironically love this

more stickers please

Am i really now known as the veruta player

Around here

[ocean spindle]

does sec on r8c1 affect ov only or main too

[fathom ice]

wdym

[ocean spindle]

sec makes it so ov has shadows on the timed sequence

[fathom ice]

oh

[ocean spindle]

idk if it does anything for the uplinks on main

[fathom ice]

didn't know mb

[knotty relic]

This is why speed runners and true solo players long kite, right? Because during alarms or scout fail at least if enemy cap is met then they know where all the current enemies are and won’t have any more spawn in weird spots while they run around (if they were to kill them)?

[ocean spindle]

yeah that's sort of the idea most times also staying alive and coming back to revive other players if need be

like if the wave is way too strong

or it's an endless alarm

[knotty relic]

Speeds and true solo are crazy man. You have to play sooooo different.

[prime musk]

true solo is different

but speeds is just a mindset of "fuck it we ball" until speed specific strats are introduced

[fathom ice]

u don't long in speeds

unless !!

[prime musk]

you go long in speeds when team decides they want the +1

[fathom ice]

^

[frozen estuary]

solo e sr

[knotty relic]

Don’t you long in 4 man so that others can extract safely though?

Maybe I misunderstand the term “long kite”.

[fathom ice]

na

[prime musk]

sometimes, depends on level

but it is very rare

[fathom ice]

you only long if there's a tank and it's long extract

[prime musk]

there are like no runs where you do it, it's only if extract doesn't scale and you have no res

[fathom ice]

and ur team for whatever reason doesn't want u to kill it

[knotty relic]

Ah

No res means wut?

[prime musk]

no resources

[frozen estuary]

"long kite" means you make the enemies follow you and you run far away. maybe go behind a couple doors so that you can then circle back and close some doors behind you to win time

[frail heart]

you dont long kite in speeds ever

[frozen estuary]

if you can't kill all the enemies

[frozen estuary]

solo speeds on certain missions

but for generic 4-team yeah

[frail heart]

also a lot of people stay away from that in true solo anyway bc clearing a level without long kiting is cooler

[frail heart]

yeah but solo speeds are a lot different

[frozen estuary]

fair

[frail heart]

and like i cant even think of a solo speed that does it

[frozen estuary]

e missions

[frail heart]

no one has done those

[frozen estuary]

although idk if it's considered a speedrun

[frozen estuary]

?

[frail heart]

no one has done solo speeds of e tiers

[prime musk]

^