gtfo-related-questions

[burnt inlet]

Discord moment

Anyways ima do a slendo

🫡

[faint crystal]

is anyone aware of a bug where the compass heading will not show up?

[past mesa]

intended game feature if you take to much damage it gets broken

and you lose it

[faint crystal]

it was at the start of the level

[past mesa]

You took damage in the drop

Elevator moves pretty fast

Quite unfortunate

[frail heart]

didnt have your seatbelt on unfort

[faint crystal]

i see

[keen ridge]

Hello I have no internet at all for next week and no wifi option on my computer is there a way to play gtfo offline? (When I launch the game it is stuck on loading screen)

[heavy quarry]

no

[keen ridge]

OK thx

[grizzled patrol]

there was one mod that allowed you to play offline, but in current state it is broken

[keen ridge]

Thx for your answer, Yes I tried the mod I think I will have to wait

[burnt inlet]

Im not sure about this, but if GTFO doesn’t require constant internet could load into a level via hotspot then turn hotspot off

[tiny wyvern]

playfab is... well, once you don't have it fun things happen

[burnt inlet]

Lol mb

Also go to sleep or sum

Put ur phone away

[keen ridge]

Thx but my computer don't have wifi that's why I am stuck

[burnt inlet]

Dunno if it would work either way so

[grizzled patrol]

Uh...use your Phone via USB tethering

If you have straight Up 0 Internet Access, then RIP

[keen ridge]

I didn't know it was possible lol

Thx

[burnt inlet]

Would it even work?

What I said before *

[tiny wyvern]

This game works off of hotspot afaik

If playfab only checks once, it should work
If not then well then might need to reset every mission or smth along those lines

[wet bear]

You actively connected with playfab, your boosters, your progression, your vanity

[safe cradle]

Yes but be careful with USB Tethering to a mobile line since those usually have limited avaiable bandwidth you can use

But I think Win 10 allows you to have data monitoring on if it detects it's a hotspot

[burnt inlet]

That’s not what I meant lol

I meant if it’s loaded into a level it doesn’t require network anymore

[safe cradle]

GTFO doesn't SEND much data to external servers, he could play "solo with bots"

[safe cradle]

It kinda does

[burnt inlet]

I’ve done tethering before (though wireless is higher speed for iPhone 12)

[burnt inlet]

Fair enough

[safe cradle]

Like, I sometimes get sent back to Main Menu because Steam completely died

When it's only a portion of it dying you get "bots not joining" and "there's no lobby ID"

[burnt inlet]

Huh

I mean I don’t have that issue for now

[safe cradle]

You'd also need to be online to register the clear

Unless you have that mod which makes progress local

[burnt inlet]

Fair enough

[burnt inlet]

Wasn’t that one broken?

[safe cradle]

Is it? I never used it

[burnt inlet]

^

[wet bear]

You talk about 2 different mods

[burnt inlet]

Aight

[wet bear]

One is for offline play other that sleepo mentioned is for saving your progress locally

The first one is broken second is working fine

[burnt inlet]

Aight

[safe cradle]

I mean there IS a way to play GTFO Offline

and I dont need to mention it

[burnt inlet]

lol

[safe cradle]

Which I assume works

[burnt inlet]

But it doesn’t progress I think

[safe cradle]

I think it does

[burnt inlet]

Like save swapping might work

[safe cradle]

It probably uses an orbit

[burnt inlet]

I dunno

[ocean spindle]

omg like jupiter

[safe cradle]

Like old cracks to that meme anti-piracy stuff Ubisoft used aeons ago with AC2

[burnt inlet]

I remember when games had funi anti piracy measures

[wet bear]

Honestly you don't want to loose connection to servers anytime in gtfo because you can be kicked, your lobby can die, you can die, the game won't work properly, the game won't record your doings, the game won't.....

It's a long list of things that can happen

You can even lose boosters while midgame if you launch some other games on steam

[ocean spindle]

i can die :[

dies

[burnt inlet]

Wow

[burnt inlet]

I will revive you

Necromancy

[safe cradle]

Think about the bugs Cyberpayday will have

[wet bear]

I mentioned earlier in modded that we will need all mod fixes from gtfo and even more for DoW

Still buying that if it's not skyrocketing the price

[ocean spindle]

i imagine its gonna be- cuz its gonna come out as early access too- as gtfo was in r1

[safe cradle]

I dont know

[ocean spindle]

[wet bear]

Then waiting for public alpha network test

[burnt inlet]

Its alive

[safe cradle]

Recently I've been feeling weird about those kind of games, where I feel like I've kinda been there already

A long time ago some mods were called Total Conversions

Perhaps it's because everything nowadays is Unity, UE4, UE5 or whatnot

But it really feels all... the same with a different paint.

[ocean spindle]

total conversions doesnt refer to when u take a game and mof it until it is just fully another game?

[burnt inlet]

Most UE5 games I’ve seen suck

[safe cradle]

I liked GTFO because I struggled to think about a game kinda LIKE it.

[safe cradle]

yes

[ocean spindle]

but total chaos came out in 2020 or so and it has a steam release soon

:3

[safe cradle]

which is my point

[ocean spindle]

i think ur drownin in nostalgia a bit

[safe cradle]

The opposite? I feel like everything is the same?

[ocean spindle]

me when everythin i play as a kid is completely new and now nothing is like so anymore

thats thats sort of what its givin me vibes of

[wet bear]

Get smaller

[ocean spindle]

u gotta rlly dig in in the indie world

[safe cradle]

that's not really just "nostalgia"

if there's 10 different flavours of tomato, well, the first one is going to feel fresh

the others will feel "kinda the same"

[ocean spindle]

a🪑

[safe cradle]

It's more indicative of a repetitiviness

[ocean spindle]

i feel like they both can be combined

cuz u didnt know everything was also the same when u played ur first racing game

and then u realize its the 7th series of need for speed

and that theres been countless copies of it

[safe cradle]

yes but if NEW ones are made that are just another countless copy

it IS an issue

[ocean spindle]

it always happens in this industry, its happened with generic titles

i mean the racing game thing is an example

during 2010-s it was all racing games

if u rlly want different u should like really not look into AAAs cuz obv its not gonna give u much

they follow trends

like concord

i have 2 3 games in my wishlist rn that i have no fuckin idea what they are but look nice

[safe cradle]

yeah nah I dont fully buy this... there were SO many new genres before...

RTS games disappeared

4x are stagnant because Paradox prefers pumping out dlc after dlc

Where's my modern Black and White?

[ocean spindle]

rts isnt real time strat? didnt another... age of empires came out like not so long ago? or one of those series?

[halcyon current]

It's not that RTS games don't get made it's that most of them are unironically worse then CoH 2 mechanically

[safe cradle]

jeez right CoH3

[halcyon current]

And CoH2 is old and kinda meh

[safe cradle]

I forgot it for a reason

[ocean spindle]

i barely know it but frostpunk 2 isnt like in the line?

[halcyon current]

CoH3 sucked, DoW3 sucked, Iron Harvest sucks

[safe cradle]

CoH got worse with every iteration IMHO

[halcyon current]

The only modern RTS I personally enjoy rn is WARNO

[ocean spindle]

2024 release date- humm

maybe theee thing why there isnt so many anymore is cuz they were also a bit of a trend?

i wasnt very much on it but i can think of a time where everyone had age of empires

even my dad and he barely fuckin games

[halcyon current]

They're just not in era rn

It's like mobas and mmos

[ocean spindle]

thats what i mean

same as racing games

[halcyon current]

You're in the hero shooter era rn

[ocean spindle]

there are but very few cuz they had their moment and not anymore

[halcyon current]

Hero shooters and BR games/Extract Shooters

[ocean spindle]

so it comes back to my point, if everythign feels "samey" one is looking only at a focused point in gaming

maybe only AAA gaming or big game awards events

and u gotta zoom out and start looking for what u actually want

[halcyon current]

Tbf I do think AAA modern gaming is overall very samey

Everything that's single-player is "an open world experience with branching dialogue and rpg elements" now

[ocean spindle]

i mean its just every industry following the trend thats just movies books etc etc everything follows along, rn theres a few trends that have exploded

but thats what i mean, ur looking only at AAAs- what do u find

[halcyon current]

Yeah, like when Half Life killed the Boomer shooter

[ocean spindle]

trend

so its gonna feel samey

[halcyon current]

Then everything became a half life clone for a bit

(Without getting why half life works but I digress)

[ocean spindle]

at the end i feel like depending on what ur lookin from u might even just have to get ur scope out of modern games and look back

theres plenty great indie shit from way back when thats still perfectly playable

me completing need for speed most wanted for the first time

me playing the binding of isaac again

[halcyon current]

Tbh for me personally a lot of what I enjoy is dead gaming wise

[ocean spindle]

hell, im about to buy N++ and its been out for almost 10 years

[halcyon current]

I unironically want an old barebones cod again and going back and playing those IS NOT advisable

[ocean spindle]

i mean if ur nostalgia or ur enjoyment goes there well thats ur issue lol

if it makes u think its agreat game

i can admit nfs mw is kinda bad

[halcyon current]

Which one

OG was good

New one is very meh

Best NfS was Carbon, tbh

[safe cradle]

hot take

I think it was VERY VERY GOOD

[ocean spindle]

idk i never got much into nfs apart frommm underground and mw

underground was such a banger

but its been like 10 years since i played it

[halcyon current]

I think Heat is the best new one

[ocean spindle]

i wanted to try it but eventually, my racing game era is ded

anyways everyone should now play N++

and rejoice in how gaming is alive

[halcyon current]

It doesn't have to be your best tbf, I just found the car customization in it to be the best

And I liked the uhh

[safe cradle]

Nikki

[halcyon current]

Like how races were set up with destroysble terrain and short cuts

And yeah

We all liked Nikki lmao

[wild flare]

i SO wanted Crash team racing released on PC

i spend my whole childhood in this game on ps1

[safe cradle]

Me too but I dont think it'd hit the same on the internet

[ocean spindle]

i am excited for patapon to come to the switch

god bless patapon 2

finally the, remake era blessed me

[wild flare]

lazy ass era

[ocean spindle]

oh dont make me start repeating myself i was joking

:c

[halcyon current]

I wish they'd remake games better on average

[grizzled patrol]

now that i think about it, isnt the creator making a reimagining of it or something?

[halcyon current]

The SH2 remake isn't as good as OG SH2 but it's still pretty good, unlike fucking RE3R

[grizzled patrol]

was called Ratatan iirc

[ocean spindle]

not the creator but some dev is making ratatan

i dont think any1 from the og team is involved?

but its looking so FRESH

its looking so fucking good

THATS WHAT I MEAAAAN

LOOK FOR WHAT U WANNA PLAY

STOP LOOKING AT GAMEAWARDS FOR INDIES GRAHHH

[safe cradle]

Well the problem with remakes is that you either redo MOST stuff from zero in terms of models, engine, whatnot, like the RE remakes or you just put a new coat on paint on something

[ocean spindle]

[jk]

[but do look somewhere else pls]

[safe cradle]

I get that most labels who own the rights are avert to the risk of creating a ton of new assets for a remake of a game that may not sell well, if at all

[halcyon current]

What fucks with me is RE2R, RE4R, and even the kinda unnassociated Re1 remake that happened before all of the new ones are all really good

It's specifically RE3R that's bad in the RE remakes

[ocean spindle]

me when halo combat evolved

[dies]

[safe cradle]

Then there's the "REMASTERS"

which are a whole can of worms

[halcyon current]

Then there's Sabre's Battlefront 2 lmfao

[ocean spindle]

i hate gettin into the terminology imma call it what i want

[safe cradle]

remastering games that got out like 2 years ago

[ocean spindle]

this redux

[grizzled patrol]

just looked up, Hiroyuki Kotani, the game designer of patapon is involved

[ocean spindle]

OMG WINNIN

🎉

[halcyon current]

The Metro Redux games are unironically worth it ngl, at least 2033 and LL

[ocean spindle]

TE QUIERO MUCHO PATAPON

[halcyon current]

Ik they came out pretty shortly after metro but damn they legit made those games better

Do I replay Metro?

[ocean spindle]

how bout u get into a metro to touch some grass somehwere

B]

[safe cradle]

I'll never get why people liked Metro series THAT much

I played them all, I got them all, they're nice

[halcyon current]

Good, weapons felt good.

[safe cradle]

It's just... eh.

[halcyon current]

Like the overall story tbh, like the themes and atmosphere a lot

I do think 2033 is the best one tho

Like by a mile

LL doesn't have that depressing, lonely atmosphere I like so much

I mean what was even competing with Metro in 2010?

Bioshock 2?

[ocean spindle]

uh the bidning of isaac

no that was 2011

dammit

[halcyon current]

I'm gonna be real with you

Binding almost convinced me I hated roguelikes

Until I played RoR lmao

[ocean spindle]

me when im incredibly unbased:

me when im basedn't:

[knotty relic]

Bruh how do you compare Binding of Isaac to Metro?

[ocean spindle]

i didnt? i never played metro? i was making a joke cuz tboi went out in 2011?

also cuz tboi is based

[knotty relic]

I like the story a lot in Last Light. The whole take over the Metro from the shadows has always appealed to me in stuff. Exodus was kind of a let down though. Promised way more than what they delivered.

[ocean lance]

alright this piqued my intrested

interest*

picture this

it's you and someone else that are decent at the game

and two new players doing r2e1

we just cleared second surge and we've only killed the 2 scouts in the fog that's all

one of the two decent players is holding turbine

the other is holding bio

you have 2 paths

you go upstairs and pull the room

then go down and loot

or you loot whilst melee'ing in the fog

which is faster/what do you do?

[halcyon current]

I just pull the room tbh

I always just pull the room given the choice tho tbh

Especially in fog

[ocean lance]

i know right?

the other guy's argument is that if we're gonna ping things after we pull

it's not faster/why are we not melee'ing whilst looting

like what

[halcyon current]

They're new lmao

New players hate pulling rooms

[ocean lance]

oh no

this guy im arguing with is not new

he had to brag he had his account in here from 2019 lol

[topaz anvil]

Why would you pull with new players tho, they are just gonna go down immediately xddd

[ocean lance]

no like pull on top of ladder

how tf are you gonna die there

[halcyon current]

Ain't no helping some people

[topaz anvil]

is this a challenge 😎

[ocean lance]

it just got me upset cause i know my nerdy sweat ass has pubbed this shit level more than he has

lmao

so i know what im talking about

[topaz anvil]

how about: 2 of you stay up and pull while the other 2 go into the fog and melee

[ocean lance]

you're high quad go sleep

[topaz anvil]

it's 7pm :(

[halcyon current]

I'm ngl I just hate when people wanna slow crawl around whole ass levels

I legit will go guns blazing through every gtfo level given the choice

They provide you enough ammo ime

[ocean lance]

that's the issue he didnt want to go slow

[topaz anvil]

gotta go chill at times

[ocean lance]

he thought melee'ing and looting at the same time was faster

im just not sure who was correct so idk i just came and asked

[sudden nexus]

just set off the scouts

its the fastest

[topaz anvil]

well there's no correct answer. if a strategy works then who cares

[sudden nexus]

trust

[halcyon current]

Until you gotta hit a lock ig

[topaz anvil]

lock melter gang?

[halcyon current]

God willing you have melters

[halcyon current]

I underrated these things so heavily when I was new

But they're legit maybe my favorite thing to find

[topaz anvil]

I remember all the hate they got

now all the hate is on glowsticks bc we no longer have the epic green glowies

[ocean lance]

idk

just another person to avoid whilst pubbing ig

[halcyon current]

Yeah

I have one of those

[sudden nexus]

we should do gtfo gambling sometime

[ocean lance]

LOL

id love

to

[halcyon current]

This is literally just pubbing tbh

[topaz anvil]

mm*

[halcyon current]

Maybe get carried, maybe have to carry

[past mesa]

I love gambling

[sudden nexus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1110370737891577867/1191514009669750894/1150249187326312508.gif

embed fail 😭 😭 😭 😭

this is worse than setting off a scout

[ocean lance]

truly awful

how could you ever do this to yourself

[safe cradle]

faster no idea

I'd A LOT rather pull and fight NOT in the damn fog

melee or not

[civic path]

I've got a question - for the class 9 alarm in R8D2 to clear the infection are there any ways to make it easier. We've been getting run over every time we've gone for it and we don't want to do the lower class alarm

The snatchers blow through any stall we have with sea foam and the tank/snatcher + a billion nightmares always overwhelm

[minor fractal]

This is the hardest encounter in vanilla.

Strongly consider class 7 instead

The alternative is to play significantly better than you are now.

It's not unusual to leave the second door, the one connected directly to your room, open

You can have your wave clear go there after tank gets in to clear out the current wave, and foam+mine the door while your boss kill deals w/ tank

[civic path]

Well that's fun - were not super new but all of us have less than 200 hours would class 7 really be worth it you think?

[minor fractal]

What are the team's loadouts?

[civic path]

We run one of each tool bio/sea foam/mine/burst sentry

And I run scattergun/carbine we have a hel gun/carbine player another with hel auto pistol/machine gun VII and another with sawed off/revo

That was meant to respond to the most recent but I understand what you mean for that rooms setup

[minor fractal]

Switch carbines for Sawed-off

Carbine is not very good for this type of content

Sawed-Off is just one of the best NM weapons

[civic path]

3 sawed offs you think?

[minor fractal]

Yes.

[civic path]

Would the scattergun stay or swap to something different as well

[minor fractal]

Scattergun is the best special in the game, so I'd not switch

Ideally you play it as client

but that's for bosses specifically

It's still very strong as host

[civic path]

Gotcha double shotty I like it and what's the adv for host to play scatter again is it that one silent shot trick?

[minor fractal]

Client can dump the entire shell into a single tumor for full damage

If host breaks a tumor, it loses its hitbox for the remaining pellets

Host has a minor advantage in that head breaks allow pellets to pass through, which gives you better wave clear on Scatter

But since Scatter is primarily boss kill, client has the bigger advantage

Other than that, MG and Revo are very bad for nightmares, you may want HEL specials, BC, CS, Shotgun, or HCP instead.

(or another Scatter)

[civic path]

Okay so if I understand it right scatter on client allows more damage to get through on bosses?

[minor fractal]

Yes, it makes it much easier to get high value shots

Where host would need to break most of the tumors, client is only required to interact with 2-3 that are easy to hit (depending on the boss enemy)

Tank is a 3-shot to Scattergun

assuming you miss no damage

[civic path]

Okay so swap out MG/Revo for some more hel specials or ones listed would most of us be running shottys at this point

[past mesa]

What level Ray

[minor fractal]

R8D2 class 9

[civic path]

This is didn't know okay so 2 scatters could do some good damage

[past mesa]

Ah yeah

[civic path]

I'm struggling

[past mesa]

Class 9 is very very tricky

[minor fractal]

Sniper is also a niche pick on this level for a much later section, but it's not very flexible

[past mesa]

If your just trying to clear

Class 7 is probs better

[civic path]

Would we basically have to swap out all our weapons to focus just this class 9?

[minor fractal]

You should

[past mesa]

Probs the class 9 is the hardest thing probs in the game

[minor fractal]

The guns I'm mentioning are just better than a lot of other guns in general

And E2 will continue to have nightmare spam

[civic path]

I'm heavily considering just doing 7 but we're stuck in that wanna do it to do it mentality

Yea E2 is what we're currently all scared of rn

[minor fractal]

E2 you can abuse permafoam a lot more

But it is still just hard

HEL Gun has to carry waves

(and Sawed-off)

[civic path]

Permafoam?

[past mesa]

C foam a door

Over and over

To avoid ever fighting

[civic path]

Ooooo okay yea I gotcha

Thought I was missing some deeper tech to the game

[minor fractal]

For MG and Revo, for example

MG is just a bad gun

Revo is decent for strikers exclusively, which isn't most encounters in harder content

[civic path]

Alright we can swap those out then ez pz

[minor fractal]

Carbine is similar, but it's at least kind of decent.

It's more that Mains don't have that much diversity

and Carbine's main appeal is beaing braindead

[civic path]

I've always liked it for it's capacity

[minor fractal]

But if you want to be braindead, play sawed-off

It's very much more OP

[civic path]

But yea I understand lmfao

Braindead is the way to go

[tardy ingot]

Honestly as much as Id like it to be good for that part

Realistically its not worth unless you rly struggle with the „reach“

Scatter is just too stupidly broken

[civic path]

Thank you very much for the advice @minor fractal @past mesa were making another another stab at it tn most likely doin the C7 and running those weapons

I'm assuming the sniper is more for people who know the run better

[tardy ingot]

👍

Class 7 is worlds easier and rly just needs you to use the few fog repellers youll get when necessary

(R8D2 as a whole has some tricks you can abuse once you know how the level rly works. But psssh spoilers)

[burnt inlet]

Average speedrunner moment

[tardy ingot]

Ngl no
Sniper is heavily outclassed by scatter for the level (which rly isnt unusual, scatter is stupid broken and sniper niche on a good day)

[civic path]

That's fair I've never actually run the sniper either I've always been about the Unga bunga style shotty than anything

Got my one stack just trying to beat R8 so it's rare I can get them on just wanting to not waste their time as much as possible to get it done

[soft crater]

what if Host scatter. assuming the client shotgun interaction didn't exist

[fathom ice]

scatter is still better

[tardy ingot]

Sniper has very tiny niches and usually they just dont matter enough (as you are on r8d2 id hope you beat the rest of the game)

Stuff like kraken in r6d1, hybrids in cases like r2d2 (if players struggle) aswell as big flyers in say r6cx is where it can show up. But if you can get into range with scatter its just a no diff

[tardy ingot]

Scatter on host is legit better for non boss clear

[soft crater]

same energy as when I see IFO with it in extract

[tardy ingot]

And sniper sucks vs mom

[minor fractal]

It's more that if your players are all very cracked, you can do more with less

[soft crater]

makes sense

[tardy ingot]

so its rly just tank that gets even remotely swayed

[minor fractal]

and in those instances, taking a single kind of bad gun to optimize something very specific isn't so bad'

[fathom ice]

host scatter is still better vs tank

rather than sniper

sniper is just not a good boss kill...

[minor fractal]

Like, Sniper makes it into R5E1 and R8E2 speeds because Scatter and HEL Rifle are doing so much already

[tardy ingot]

if sniper had 3 shots vs host scatter you could at least try and argue safety and simplicity for the kill to be a massive gain

[fathom ice]

well it doesn't

[tardy ingot]

Fuck the sniper nerfs man

[fathom ice]

ikr

[minor fractal]

You wouldn't take Sniper for the 9 at all, it's for a somewhat specific later section

[ocean spindle]

feelssniperman

[tardy ingot]

Also sky

[fathom ice]

yea

[soft crater]

sniper nerf is like when they nerfed highcal

[tardy ingot]

I saw you going into r8c2 over and over

[fathom ice]

i died

[soft crater]

it should be reverted pls

[fathom ice]

like 3 times

[tardy ingot]

[fathom ice]

:(

[civic wave]

those zones are slightly fucked

no mines?

[tardy ingot]

They wanted to change it for that

[fathom ice]

i had it after like 2 tries

but i got double scout pull and giant around the corner

it was

fucked

[tardy ingot]

I remember it being the goat for class 9 for 1 patch
I REMEMBER

[civic wave]

tap tank twice and it loses 80% health lol

[tardy ingot]

cross room anti tank nuke

nearly 4 shot

2 mag and a lil sneeze

[civic wave]

oh wait i'm thinking of mom damage numbers aren't i

[tardy ingot]

Yea

[fathom ice]

tank is around 70

[tardy ingot]

Mom was 40% per shot

[fathom ice]

wait

[tardy ingot]

wat

[fathom ice]

ure talking about 'back then'

mb

i genuinely cannot read i thought it's a scatter talk not sniper

[tardy ingot]

rn sniper does 150 dmg to tank. 60% in 4 shots

[fathom ice]

yeah

[tardy ingot]

it did 240 back then

and 400 to mom

which is crazy

[fathom ice]

💀

[tardy ingot]

Considering scatter does more to both

But sniper 3 shotting mom was „bad“

[fathom ice]

sounds like uncapped tumor damage

[tardy ingot]

scatter in the corner

[tardy ingot]

Yes

[fathom ice]

yee

how was the hip fire

[minor fractal]

For VR balancing, I remember it being bad because we wanted Scatter to be much much weaker

[tardy ingot]

Honestly was a good change as it only impacted stuff like iix melee, sniper, booster stuff and spear on mom

[minor fractal]

Weaker than it was even pre-buff

And the Sniper rework made it viable, but in a way that it and Scattergun shouldn't exist to begin w/

But obv they fixed it w/out bothering to nerf Scatter

so...

[tardy ingot]

honestly boss kill being on scattergun level is clearly not good for the game

but you either gotta omega kill scatter precision dmg or remove it

[minor fractal]

Oh, and it was in a way where it would be hard to nerf via modded

[minor fractal]

Tumor multi

It feels pretty fair as-is in VR

[past mesa]

Boss muilt does fix this

[tardy ingot]

I feel like its typical prec multi doesnt rly matter aside from bosses

Remember that it doesnt rly impact its kill on anything since it cant go lower than base dmg

[past mesa]

But tumour are 5x or 3x

[minor fractal]

It matters for hybrids, shooters, strikers for shotguns specifically, and then there's some untapped balance space for having high prec weapons that aren't extremely good on bosses.

[tardy ingot]

it rly doesnt impact its hybrid kill no?

Even at say (insane overboard) 0.1x prec

scatter would still 1 shot on a pure headshot

[minor fractal]

It's same for pure bodyshot

[tardy ingot]

yea….?

what I mean is that you dont need boss multi to have scatter no longer shit on bosses, while also not killing its other clear much

[minor fractal]

Sure

But you also don't have to omega nerf precision for that

There are other options besides removing it

[tardy ingot]

I do feel the higher prec multi guns tho

But ngl they are already cappedby tumor health in a certain way

i dont see why youd make a boss multi then tho? :0

its obviously „better“ since you add an extra angle

[minor fractal]

Lets you give Scatter a lower body damage.

Tumor multi kind of matters on PR

[tardy ingot]

I think lowering scatter base too much starts making it unreliable against giants

[minor fractal]

Because you can give it a high chunk of damage on giants, and 3-tap on hybrid

w/out making it giga-busted on boss kill

[tardy ingot]

Which is like… what its actually supposed to do

its boss clearis way overboard
And it has waveclear it shouldnt have

[minor fractal]

The point is to make it less braindead

and it feels fine, 128 Scatter has always been fair

[tardy ingot]

idk whether id call it fair

but less braindead yea

I also honestly think ~153 dmg is likely better if you lower boss dmg

[minor fractal]

Thing is, it makes sense to keep it a flexible gun

It's closest to its current role, and roughly maintains its current play pattern.

And to maintain that, you want to give it reasonable drawbacks on everything w/out gimping its ability to do anything else

The VR Scatter feels very reasonable

[native sun]

128 is so much better. Need to aim for headshot or flank Hybrids. Actually have to flank Big Shooters. Need to get closer to Giants. Every match-up against big enemies becomes more interesting.

Instead of "I put the barrel inside the big shooter and press left click"

[fathom ice]

ngl I do all this on based scatter

just cuz it's more consistent

[ocean spindle]

i like the 128 damage scatter idea

i understand its supposed to be just a delete button but on a game that wants to be so hard it feels wrong just making it so easy to use without an actual drawback- cuz even the range with the damage increases

128 makes it at least a little bit harder to use on hybrids and might force u to actually think about ur shot as u would with a sniper

waiting for an animation or so to hit the head

[wispy pike]

whats the best load out for new players

[digital mural]

carbine is really easy to use

and shotguns

for melee use hammer/knife

there isnt a "best" loadout

[sudden nexus]

burst pistol / scattergun

[soft crater]

a pub I played with earlier.
was telling me that they've been told Carbine is ass.

[digital mural]

Classic pub

Kind of people that say spear is S tier

[soft crater]

my reaction was just
"probably the same people who review GTFO poorly because it takes 2 mags to kill a single enemy"

ngl these kinds of people would be humbled real fast if they had the accuracy tracker mod

[digital mural]

<@&408548765599793173>

[sturdy dew]

sad balls lol

[sudden nexus]

stawp it i want free money :ccccccc

[sturdy dew]

get a job

[soft crater]

:(

[ocean spindle]

i will live in solaces wall :3

[sudden nexus]

gambling >>>

[wispy pike]

do you have to do tutorial to play?

[digital mural]

No

Tutorial is recommended tho

[wispy pike]

i have a lobby of 3 and i cant initiate

[digital mural]

Are the players ready?

[wispy pike]

i hold it down and it fills up and doe nothing. yes

[digital mural]

#1049599987878723635

[wispy pike]

you cant intitiate unless they are ready

[digital mural]

That sounds like a connection issue if you can't start the lobby

Make a thread in tech support

And send the player logs

#bug-reporting

[frail heart]

Remake the lobby

[wispy pike]

i did

[frail heart]

Restart games

[digital mural]

If someone is using a VPN turn it off

[wispy pike]

im going to refund it

[frail heart]

Brother

Try some solutions

[digital mural]

[frail heart]

You’re gonna play no games with that mindset

[digital mural]

I just want to say
100% of times the problem comes from the user and not the game

[frail heart]

Yep

Mfs when they realise that if it was the game that was the issue then there would be no players

[wispy pike]

a game thats been out for over 4 years thats still charging 50 bucks should have these issues

shouldnt

[digital mural]

Its not the game tho

[wispy pike]

but it is

i can link up with them in every other game

[tiny wyvern]

If you're still here, try using mobile hotspot and see if it works

[digital mural]

GTFO is a game that doesnt use "traditional" game severs

If you have anything that interferes with your connection in any way it can cause trouble

Like not being able to start a lobby

The game is not broken

[tiny wyvern]

Just try doing it using hotspot and see if it works
If it's just the good old problem of 'Waiting for Master', it'll wokr

...Sometimes I wonder why I still bother trying to troubleshoot for someone who's not even here anymore

[digital mural]

I still remember the September incident

[frail heart]

Can assure you it isn’t the game

[wispy pike]

i can connect to randoms in japan but not my friends down the street. sorry guys not interested

[frail heart]

You actually can’t read

This game doesn’t have servers

It’s peer to peer

Like MANY other games

But I’m sure those games are just as bad as well aren’t they

[digital mural]

Its either the host or someone in your team running a program or something similar

Sometimes is really weird stuff like settings in your motherboard

[tiny wyvern]

I mean he's probably not going to continue playing even if I try to walk him through the fix
And since he doesn't wanna just let him go

I don't mind at this point

[frail heart]

Yeah

But he’s complaining about the game when it’s his issue lmao

[digital mural]

Which motherboards had his issue?

[frail heart]

Some critical thinking doesn’t hurt

[digital mural]

I forgor

[tiny wyvern]

The AMD Ryzen thing
But he's still new, it shouldn't be affecting him yet

The closest level is R2B4

[frail heart]

Yeah

This is solely a connection issue from one of the players

Also someone smells like ASS on this train

[digital mural]

fog repellers go

[frail heart]

It smells like “I’ve sat at my desk and ate chips all day”

[tiny wyvern]

Actually if it's connecting with someone down the street it might be a vpn issue

[digital mural]

Average GTFO player

[frail heart]

I think this discord mod looking nose picking guy next to me might be the culprit

[frail heart]

Too hard for them

Too much work

Me play marvel rivals

[digital mural]

Is MR that good?

[frail heart]

Idk never played it

Apparently it’s decent

[tiny wyvern]

It's fine afaik

[frail heart]

Though I play like one game

[digital mural]

Decent = better than OW2

[frail heart]

A lot of games don’t interest me that much

[tiny wyvern]

It won't get OW1 peak numbers yet
But it's going fine

[frail heart]

I did buy RDR2 a few days ago

Might play that soon

BRO the guy next to me has greasy ass hair

I think this might be a discord mod

[digital mural]

Hey i also have greasy hair
But thats mostly like a problem with my head or something

[frail heart]

Water and soap helps

[digital mural]

Trust me bro

I have tried

[tiny wyvern]

Should I take the time to refine the whole like connection issue thing
seeing as I have the time
(And I'm slightly bummed out by the fact we lost a guy)

[digital mural]

It's already good as it is

But if you have something to add/change go ahead

Maybe going into full detail of every single issue that had different cause would be helpful (in a single thread instead of linking old threads)

But its a lot of stuff that can fuck up with GTFO P2P

[grizzled patrol]

Doesnt that Happen If you wash your head too often? You Strip the oils by washing what prompts the skins to produce even more oil or something

[grizzled patrol]

.

[sudden nexus]

ok but are you bummed we lost someone like that

[sudden nexus]

to much soap can make your hair greasy as your scalp will produce even more oil to compensate for what its loosing

so not washing to much and using conditioner can really help

[paper summit]

Has anyone here played Cs2?

[hardy grotto]

how is this gtfo related

[prime musk]

cell skip 2

[sturdy glen]

CELL SKIP?

cell skip mention

[fathom ice]

👀

[edgy aurora]

very gtfo related question btw

[frail heart]

Hey has anyone here played sex and the furry t1tty 3 and is it any good? Thanks

[granite bough]

ik sex with hitler is decent if u want smth

[edgy aurora]

ok now we are talking

[sturdy glen]

?

[fathom ice]

??

[frail heart]

You guys obviously havent played the first 2

[ocean lance]

what?

[topaz anvil]

3rd one didn't quite have the impact of the first 2 imo but still solid gameplay. 6/10

[grizzled patrol]

No, but i have Played gex with Hi**er. Truly a Peak 10/10 game

[topaz anvil]

Did you learn a lot

[finite oracle]

can mothers climb ladders

[fathom ice]

yes

[soft crater]

But sky can mega mom climb.

[fathom ice]

all enemies can

well except fliers

[soft crater]

So you're telling me

The Kraken can climb

😱

I gotta test mega mom climbing someday to see how goofy it looks

[topaz anvil]

i swear I've seen it in gifs

oh megamom not pmom

[frail heart]

it looks very goofy

[grizzled patrol]

Erm aksually, He will get Stuck in the collisions and wont move

[grizzled patrol]

Climbing crawling Giants is Just as cursed

[topaz anvil]

damn I would climb so many crawling giants

[lethal marten]

A friend of mine cant joint our lobby and when he makes a lobby and we join him, it is buggy (no names/invisible characters) until he leaves, then its normal. I cant find any related issues here (or i just suck at searching). Is it a Windows 11 issue? Game reinstall, Router Restart and Steam Cache Clear was already tried.

[digital mural]

#1049599987878723635

First thread

Connection issues

If your friend has a VPN, turn it off

[lethal marten]

yeah the router stuff was already tried and he doesnt use a vpn, i guess i have to make a thread then. Hoped there was a different solution already known or something

[safe cradle]

Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines was a masterpiece of videogame writing.

[lethal marten]

I fully Agree, thats why i play it every 2 months or so

[frail heart]

It would be an issue with your friend

Idk what tho

Make a thread and get him to send his log file

[lethal marten]

already did

or well not a thread, just wrote it in the "waiting for master" post/thread

[frail heart]

Make an actual post in the tech support

No one looks in that poost

Also to get your log file, go to "C:\Users\YOURNAME\AppData\LocalLow\10 Chambers Collective\GTFO"

[lethal marten]

so made a thread

[frail heart]

Get your friend to do this, and grab the file from one of those sessions

And an error log if there is one

[lethal marten]

i used his logs and all, there was no error log

[frail heart]

?

Send the log file in the thread

should have a name like "GTFO.2025.03.30.13.50.11_Frosty_CLIENT.txt"

[lethal marten]

i put them in a zip

[frail heart]

if someone wants to open that they can

its just easier to send the log file tho

[lethal marten]

yeah, but the bug report post stated to zip the txt files

[soft crater]

How you know my directory D:

[serene laurel]

what is the recommended loadout for the R2C2? with the error alarm. Just did two runs and both were fairly well organized except we just run out of ammo in the end after all the waves. I was using the heavy smg and high caliber pistol

[frail heart]

sawed off combat shotgun is good

and take knife

you can melee most waves

[tardy ingot]

mines and bio 100%
then you can either run 2 sentries or cfoam and a sentry (depends on what you prefer to use for the first alarms setup)

guns, have 1 guy at least with strong giant kill (scattergun or burst cannon) to deal with giants
the smalls aside from the actual alarms and blood doors you can usually just melee (either hammer or knife)

[upper ginkgo]

there's a resource zone past the class ii(?) alarm

otherwise there's a 4 ammo somewhere in z114 (fog zone)

[topaz wharf]

Hello everyone I am new to the GTFO discord and I was wondering what loadout is good for someone who has a little bit of experience?

[tiny wyvern]

Eh most loadouts are built around a level more than specific weapons
but for beginners carbine, sawed off on main and hel rifle, combat shotty on special are usually fine

[topaz wharf]

Thanks

I am also wondering if anyone wants to do R1C2 with me

[tiny wyvern]

You can lfg for people down in the lfg chats

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[topaz wharf]

thanks

[tiny wyvern]

If you host your own lobby for something early at this hour there should still be people around

We follow NA/EU times, so rn it's a little bit awkward

[topaz wharf]

yeah

thats fair

[finite oracle]

is sniper viable in r4e1 as a code getter and for the last section?

[errant dome]

its viable but its objectively worse than something like scatter

[tiny wyvern]

Do you even want to wake/clear the rooms?

[errant dome]

yes

[tiny wyvern]

ye I suppose outside of the 4 moms everything else can be safely cleared

[errant dome]

the only rooms worth even considering stealthing is 4 moms and maybe area B of blood door zone

[tiny wyvern]

scatter/combat or smth like those should be better though unless the sightlines are just uber long

besides you'll need something for error tank anyways
Sniper won't be really helping on that front

[errant dome]

sniper is a funny weapon, it gains value if ur speeding, not so much in an avg play of r4e1

only particular use i can think of in a normal run is w6 hybrids

that said tho u can still make it work, its not rlly a horrible weapon, just scatter is so giga broken

[tardy ingot]

This is just as much only the case for a fraction of the levels as it is good in vanilla

Sniper is definetly sub par tho unless you rly wanna deal with hybrids or ||Kraken||

[finite oracle]

i mean i was thinking of rooms like the last reactor code where i can safely snipe scouts from afar and maybe the last room, putting some shots in the ||pmom|| during the apex door opening animation since scatter cant really do any of those things

[tiny wyvern]

Wouldn't Hel rifle or PR theoretically be better than sniper

Ok, maybe not PR, cause it sucks horribly against giants

[finite oracle]

do penetrating weapons penetrate through tumors?

say can i damage 2 tumors at once on the same enemy

[errant dome]

Again, its viable, but scatter is just better. u can shoot a scout from a safe distance shore, but what about dealing with the rest of the room? scatter is far superior in that aspect, Sure you can put shots on pmom while door is opening, but you have 10 billion ways 2 deal with her (c-trip, sentry aggro, wait for scream, etc) and all of them scatter will far exceed any dmg you do thro door with sniper.

[finite oracle]

ok

[tardy ingot]

Getting 2 sniper shots on pmom (626 dmg) and then reloading for 2 more = 1252 dmg

Scattergun running up to pmom with 2 shots: 1134 dmg

After the reload scatter basically is done with pmoms 2500 hp. And you would be running scatter which generally just does better for mostly everything (also tank there lol)

Sniper for scouts is massive unnecessary overkill

[tardy ingot]

No

[tardy ingot]

You could also just run sawed off PR and not have any issues

PR in general is a decent pick for basically all stages of R4E1 (mainly as a supportive option to make some threats easier)

[finite oracle]

ok

[topaz anvil]

Ew damage numbers

[tiny wyvern]

Yeah but it's mostly sawed off being absolutely goated

[frail heart]

not on the same enemy but on different enemies

slight misinfo detected 🤓 ☝️

[tardy ingot]

Read the message below that

lol

[frail heart]

oh

i dont read

but yeah i didnt know you could pen 2 moms or something until like late last year lol

[tardy ingot]

at least thats not as bad as tgb not knowing until a year ago that even when crouching, moving around an asleep enemy in a ~2 meter radius still will transition then through the next detection phase

[errant dome]

u can also pen other players :3

i know this because of uh

experiences

[tardy ingot]

Good times when I killed someone through the r6d2 tank with hel revo

[tiny wyvern]

Like hel rifle it needs lineups for pen
Don't worry too much about not getting it

It's a fair weapon that does decent stagger and excels at large crowds
(When there's a crowd you don't need lineups)

Also has 8 shots, decent reserves

Most of the time you can rely on it for small clear and limb breaks on spam

[errant dome]

One of the most ammo efficient weapons in the game WITHOUT any pen, one of the best scout killing weapons (Including c-scouts). Respectable boss dmg (not the highest but pretty solid), really good at dealing with all giant types. Can one shot chargers and nightmares at long range

[tiny wyvern]

that's hel rifle?

He's asking for hel rev

Not hel rifle

[errant dome]

oh hel revo, i read hel rifle in your response and thought it was about that

[tiny wyvern]

@vague trail Would you want more comparisons, or is that enough for you to understand?

And wel hel rev even without pen has pretty good economy

So dw too much about not getting it
You're still getting your money's worth of damage half the time

[ocean spindle]

"easy break limbs" is just another way to say it has good damage
hel revo just has that, very good damage and pen, along with a cool reload cancel

[tiny wyvern]

ye what slendo said

Most of the hel weapons have more than enough damage even without pen

[ocean spindle]

plus without focusing on pen, it's aaa 2 shot on smalls, headshot bodyshot

[tiny wyvern]

To be good weapons

They are incredibly goated

[frail heart]

eh long range is meh on it

[tiny wyvern]

...Then again, long range in this game is sorta weird as well

[frail heart]

its reload cancel is just very good, has good ammo and damage on smalls. also the pen is just a really good bonus

if you can reload cancel with it then its very very good

[tiny wyvern]

It's falloff is from 10 to 80m
So beyond 80 it's pretty meh

otherwise you're doing similar numbers to dmr

[flat oar]

how tf can we use that at 80 anyway

[tiny wyvern]

Squid games for one

But most of the time poking at really annoying flyers

[frail heart]

How are you reload cancelling?

[tiny wyvern]

That's fine

[flat oar]

use melee shove is faster

[tiny wyvern]

Really?

Doesn't it take longer to switch back?

...Probably not now that I think about it

[frail heart]

You want to shove

You are able to switch back instantly

[flat oar]

gun1 > melee > gun1 is faster than gun1 > gun2 > gun1

but obviously gun1 > gun2 is faster than gun1 > melee > gun2

[grizzled patrol]

Imagine running guns that can be reload cancelled at the First place

Bullpup my beloved

[ocean lance]

picture this you're a sleeper and you just saw your friend get bonked to death by a prisoner

my gtfo related question is

What do you do?

[hardy grotto]

the obvious thing

wake up and go to tongue them

if the prisoner's name is hanimoon you can aggro from 200% further

[ocean lance]

with a 99.99, repeating of course, chance of long range aggro

[burnt inlet]

Id wake up and scream

[grizzled patrol]

Keep sleeping even more peacefully ( No more endless waves of brainrot TikToks)

[burnt inlet]

is there a way to "force" bots to use lock melters on smth?

also why the fuck does r3c1 room 14A have so many fucking sleepers lol

[safe cradle]

If it is the res room, it's its gimmick

[burnt inlet]

i dont have the resources for this lol

[safe cradle]

Not really, you can try slowly moving in and out and hope they get close to the box or locker

[burnt inlet]

nvm 4 use ammo

[burnt inlet]

bruh

[ocean spindle]

if it the funny key room, i'd recommend pullin if u have mines :]

[burnt inlet]

Yea it is lol

Funni

[twilit moon]

how do i create a vc room

[tiny wyvern]

https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/1176227735501275247

[low radish]

What are good weapons for Solo hold of R4E1 reactor

That could also help in case someone would wake up the mothers again

[frail heart]

Sawed off and Hel rifle/Hel gun

also just dont wake up moms

[tiny wyvern]

can you even come back from a four mom wakeup

[frail heart]

yeah

if ur team is competent

but just dont wake them up

[low radish]

My friend 1 v 4'd them without scatter so I trust him

Wish I clipped it

[low radish]

Yup

We did once, c-foam nade and good spawns saved us

We usually just try to kill them, that was the closest we ever got to winning

[low radish]

I heard sawed off can hold them off by itself

Is it true?

[frail heart]

eh

[frail heart]

just sneak past them

[low radish]

Okay

[spark wolf]

get to the cheese spot

[low radish]

@neat glen psst

[low radish]

No

[spark wolf]

grab a kiting medi

[low radish]

Ah yes let me kite those 4 mothers

[spark wolf]

yehh

[neat glen]

I legit don't know the kiting spot for the mothers😂

[low radish]

New strategy

[frail heart]

clustersuster did it

[low radish]

I'm not talking about kiting I'm talking about not killing mothers

This means I have to keep defending

Time to practice

[low radish]

...I need to learn

[tiny wyvern]

How tf do you even kite moms
Don't they just spawn more babies each time an los check succeeds?

and don't babies cap at like 100 or smth

[neat glen]

If they're in a good spot I'll kill them one by one like last time

[low radish]

They only spawn if they have line of sight

[frail heart]

you arent kiting the moms you are kiting babies

and kiting more babies is easier than less

[low radish]

You could

[low radish]

Don't babies just lick you as you run

[frail heart]

get better movement

[low radish]

Wouldn't you die after some time unless you have medi

[low radish]

?

[topaz anvil]

foam the floor

[frail heart]

also more babies makes the enemies lag

so you want the moms to birth as much as possible

[spark wolf]

its just the straights that are dangerous

[low radish]

Oh!

[low radish]

Frenchman new strategy dropped

[frail heart]

IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH BEING STRAIGHT

[civic wave]

so talk me through this, what was the benefit to reactor hold after you kill moms in duo

[civic wave]

it's basic

[low radish]

We don't hold we treat it as an error

I hold only when they don't die

Or are still alive

[frail heart]

if being gay was the majority would it be basic?

[neat glen]

Yeah, we just go together

[civic wave]

yes

[frail heart]

fair

[civic wave]

but thankfully being lesbian will always be in style 😎

[frail heart]

what about bi

[low radish]

Im stylish no way

[spark wolf]

[frail heart]

thats better surely

[low radish]

What about the rest

[frail heart]

fuck em

only my sexuality matters

[low radish]

D:

[hollow frost]

no not really

[frail heart]

CALM DOWN GUYS IT WAS A JOKE

[low radish]

How did this go from R4E1 reactor hold to sexuality

[topaz anvil]

too linear imo

[hollow frost]

R4E1 has a hold on me sexually

👍

[frail heart]

because r4e1 is very sexually enticing

[low radish]

I love this discord

I love this server

[spark wolf]

yanking my peanuts

[hollow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-clowntoclown-conversation-telepathy-clowns-gif-25167584

[frail heart]

jorblin my penurts

[low radish]

Also about the blood door in R4E1 Sec, where can I shoot in that room without waking up the moms

[spark wolf]

nice gif

https://tenor.com/view/anime-gif-1742373052751281532

[frail heart]

if ur out of the fog you are super safe

[hollow frost]

oh speaking of shoot

no matter who shoots, including bots, does the room not wake up?

[frail heart]

for what?

[spark wolf]

just go to the other room in that zone and then let the enemies go to the person defending

not ur problem fr

[low radish]

Oh, no idea what this means

[frail heart]

☝️

[low radish]

I'M THE ONE DEFENDING 😭

FRENCHMAN NO

Don't look at this conversation

[hollow frost]

because i was playing with bots, and i fucked up my knife but the botshot with a combat shotgun but the others were still asleep????

[frail heart]

If your current position is not located in the infectious fog, then shooting has a 0% chance of waking up any mothers

[tiny wyvern]

Only bot shooting is silent
Every other source of shooting is loud

[hollow frost]

fr???

[tiny wyvern]

Ye

[low radish]

Okay thank you, this makes it easier to understand

[tiny wyvern]

They busted af

[hollow frost]

wadaheyl

[civic wave]

instructions unclear, shot on stairs and run wiped

[frail heart]

bots cant wait up anything

rip

[hollow frost]

terms and conditions do not apply??

[spark wolf]

you need to be 25m away

[civic wave]

lemme load up my PC and cconsole and take a screenshot

[frail heart]

30m*

fucking nerd

gottem

[civic wave]

or maybe i have it in an old speedrun chat

[spark wolf]

20m

[low radish]

I once had someone shoot in a reactor room next to the door with moms

[frail heart]

1m

[low radish]

It was great

[hollow frost]

dongus

[low radish]

0.1cm

[hollow frost]

mingus

[spark wolf]

isnt it 50 20 5

[frail heart]

na its 50, 30, 10

[civic wave]

It's -20 per divider

[spark wolf]

ok

[hollow frost]

we love numbers

what even is 50, 30, 10

[little pilot]

50 30 10 lmao

[low radish]

What are we talking about

[hollow frost]

same

[frail heart]

this is why no 4:05

[spark wolf]

ok

[hollow frost]

???? now the numbers have timestamps????

how

[little pilot]

when u shoot the distance at which u wake up enemies that are 0/1/2 rooms away

[low radish]

OH

[little pilot]

numbers are timestamps - change my mind

[tiny wyvern]

50m for the same room
30m for one room away
10m for two rooms away
If you shoot with x m of an enemy in those conditions, the enemy wakes up

[hollow frost]

your mind has been changed

[spark wolf]

if there's an open path to that enemy

[frail heart]

actually its 0m for every room

silent shoot

[spark wolf]

even if the open path goes outside of the range

[hollow frost]

wait what?? so if i'm 10 m away from an enemy and i shoot, guys 2 rooms away wake up????

is that what that means??????

[little pilot]

i had some funny clips of abusing these mechanics where i can wake up an enemy where sound would have to travel like 400m and then a clip where an enemy 11m away straight line doesnt even wake up

[low radish]

Just silent shoot everything

[ocean spindle]

if u shoot a guy from 2 rooms away within a 10 meter range, others won't notice

the enemy will wake up as normal tho

but for example u can shoot a scout between rooms and the room could be sleeping still

[little pilot]

all enemies exactly 2 rooms away from u will wake up when u shoot if they are within 10m of u

[ocean spindle]

using 2 rooms is hard but using one room [a reduction of 20 meters] is more feasible most times

[hollow frost]

but how can they be 2 rooms away if they're within 10m of me????

[ocean spindle]

some tiles allow it

depends on the room layout

[little pilot]

there are certain zones that do allow it

[tiny wyvern]

funny cells have that option

[hollow frost]

wtf

the rest of my brainhurts

[tiny wyvern]

this game is funny

[low radish]

Wait this hurts my brain

[tiny wyvern]

if you think this is bad you should see the precision damage calc

[ocean spindle]

it's niche knowledge

kinda

u can apply it sometimes but depends on how much of a hardcore gaming u are

or just do it by accident

[low radish]

I saw that

[tiny wyvern]

(did you write that if you did i'm sorry)

[low radish]

I work with math a lot so math doesn't scare me

Logic does

[hollow frost]

but that's math

innit

[spark wolf]

dont say innit

[tardy ingot]

A common place where this can happen is r6ax 2nd alarm

thin wall going along a big room with giants right where you will be shooting often

If giants spawned close to the wall and werent cleared, shooting will wake them even tho they are 2 rooms away

[little pilot]

i was about to send computational complexity math

[hollow frost]

wha why not

[spark wolf]

banable offence

[low radish]

I mean like the waking up enemies when shooting x meters away thing

[tiny wyvern]

(I wonder whether or not DOW will have back damage)

[hollow frost]

wha

[tardy ingot]

Also @frail heart there is a silent shot that wakes up a different room than you are physically in

[low radish]

I have to see it

[spark wolf]

so what if its imaginary numbers

[ocean spindle]

only bishop is allowed

cuz he british

[low radish]

I lose

[tiny wyvern]

How would complex numbers even fit in a video game

[ocean spindle]

would be surprised

[spark wolf]

complex mentioned

[hollow frost]

it'd be complicated

[ocean spindle]

i think stamina calculations are very complex

[low radish]

If you have a PHD you'd find a way