gtfo-related-questions

[grizzled widget]

"old" rundowns as in old gameplay designs from when the game was first coming out and the early years, would be r1-r4 (maybe r5)

by "old" as in, that have been in the game for the longest period of time, that'd be r7, as the ALT:// rundowns are remade/rereleased versions of the originals, that were removed over time because of FOMO

[pallid hearth]

Gotcha! Thank you 🙏

[grizzled widget]

but as d4rk said, the "DONT PLAY OLD RUNDOWNS" rule means OGr1-r6, which were removed from the game and not added back

their story and such is still canon, but not playable.

[pallid hearth]

awesome thanks!

[frail heart]

anything in game rn you are free to play

[tardy ingot]

categorizing them is actually pretty interesting imo

theres r1 which is rly unique
then r2 and r3
r4 becomes very different from them
then r5 adds a few more things
same for R6
R7 and R8 are very similar to R6

biggest jumps are probably R1 to R2
R3 to R4
R5 to R6

[grizzled widget]

didn't r2 introduce hack locks, originally?

or was it padlocks?

i don't think ogr1 had both

[tardy ingot]

og r1 didnt have padlocks

[grizzled widget]

i know r2 introduced fog and digsite

[frail heart]

r1 only had hack locks

[tardy ingot]

heavy carry items
uplinks

R2 introduced A TON of objectives and mechanics

R1 was super unique due to mechanics being borked

[frail heart]

shotgun sentry being broken

[tardy ingot]

R3 to R4 is massive due to optionals and precision multi

[frail heart]

placing it through dooors

[grizzled widget]

ogr1 played pretty much entirely different to how gtfo plays today

[tardy ingot]

R5 to R6 is a visual revamp and such

[grizzled widget]

you can still do that

not for sec doors anymore

but normal doors you can

god, placing turrets through sec doors... that is OLD

i had completely forgotten about that

[grizzled widget]

lighting engine RIP

[tardy ingot]

R4 to R5 is what?
mine fix, boosters

r2 to r3 really is the one where they didnt do much no 💀

mom and pmom?

[grizzled widget]

boosters, stamina, dodging obliteration,

[frail heart]

i dont think so?

i just tested it

[tardy ingot]

stam is R6

same for dodge

[grizzled widget]

didn't it also introduce sniper melee bug?

[sturdy glen]

adding bosses was probably hard

[tardy ingot]

also R6

sniper melee was in the middle of OG R6

after the fucked orientation bug

boosters in r5 were so insane ngl

terminal speed was funny

[frail heart]

what were they smoking

[grizzled widget]

you just put the sentry in the door, on the metal grating, then close the door ontop of it

the turret will fire through

[frail heart]

oh

[grizzled widget]

sleepers will wake, but their ai is disabled until you open the zone again to load it

[frail heart]

yeah i mean

thats not really placing it through the door

[grizzled widget]

nah, not like OGr1 sec door bug

[frail heart]

but yeah i was talking about placing through security doors

[grizzled widget]

security doors are the big blues.

not since r1 as far as i know

too thick

[slender zenith]

its quite frosty in here

[grizzled widget]

all we need is a frosttty

or a frosy

[crystal pilot]

hel rifle vs hel gun what are the main differences?

[grizzled widget]

hel-gun is like a DMR of sorts.

hel-rifle is like a sniper or precision rifle of sorts.

[tardy ingot]

dmg, mag size, charge up (and for hel rifle cooldown), range

dmg -> hel rifle one shots anything that isnt a giant anywhere and can kill scouts to the head
Hel gun needs headshots on smaller enemies for a 1 shot and 2 shots chargers

hel gun can shoot faster (actually spamable) as hel rifle has a cooldown between shots

hel rifle basically never has range issues, hel gun CAN run into them vs chargers

both are insanely op
both are very much useable vs basically everything

hel rifle is easier to learn tho as you dont ever headshot outside of scouts. Hel gun is better/has a higher skill ceiling into smalls

Hel rifle is basically high cal/choke mod with better range AND Pen

hel gun is basically the revolver (special) with better dmg AND Pen

[prime musk]

*hel gun is like revo

[tardy ingot]

ah thx zed

typed hel rifle too much and autopiloted

[prime musk]

sidenote hel guns main upside really is just the uptime

[crystal pilot]

does the story not become important until r6?

[grizzled widget]

debatable.

what rundown are you on?

[crystal pilot]

we skipped to 6 lmao

[tardy ingot]

why

[grizzled widget]

r1 is mostly just getting access to r2.
r2 is mostly just getting the neonate for use in r3.

r3 is proccessing the data stored on the nonate

[crystal pilot]

when does shaeffer appear?

[grizzled widget]

r4 is nothing important at all, just busywork

r5 in its entirety is making r5e1 possible

then r6 starts requiring more than a sentence.

[grizzled widget]

first? i think in r4 or r5

[tardy ingot]

tbf r5 also has massive backstory logs

[grizzled widget]

when he broke free of his quad

[tardy ingot]

no?

[grizzled widget]

yeah, but they aren't really related to what you are doing in the gameplay

[grizzled widget]

no to which

[tardy ingot]

to my own statement
its a "doesnt it"

[grizzled widget]

yes, it did.

[frail heart]

r4 right

cause he talks about snatcher

[grizzled widget]

snatchers were introduced in r7

[hardy grotto]

i hear you brother

[grizzled widget]

lemme look at the logs rq

i'll get back to you

[hardy grotto]

he talks about snatcher in the og r4e1 log yes

[frail heart]

yeah but didnt he talk about it in an r4 log

[hardy grotto]

idk if its in alt

he talks a bunch in earlier alt rundowns right

[minor fractal]

Skipping to 6 is not a bad idea ngl

[hardy grotto]

also *pouncer

[crystal pilot]

is the hel rifle better than the high cal pistol in everything?

[tardy ingot]

Im not saying it isnt
I wanted to know why

cuz it can be done for bad and good reasons

[tardy ingot]

no

but its noticeably better in basically anything that matters

cuz pen

and range

[crystal pilot]

is it better at killing giants?

[tardy ingot]

it shoots faster, is easier to handle short range and gets marginally more ammo if you dont use pen

[tardy ingot]

same dmg
no pen
slight range issues

it kills 1 faster
but pen

[grizzled widget]

so ogr4d2 has the first real log (more than a sentence) talking about how he is alone after his suqad got wiped out. "they have to go deeper. go deeper. i'll be waiting"

ah.

Brother, brother I hear you! I hear you opening doors, I hear the screams of the Snatchers as they attack you! I hear the gunfire echoing through the darkness. I know you're working for them, but… but I have a better plan for us, if we- if we work for each other, you help me, I help you, we help each other, right? (distant monster groaning, Schaeffer breathing, and running away, monster follows in chase) That is ogr4. lemme listen to the audio log rq

[hardy grotto]

its og r4e1

for those who want to know

[grizzled widget]

that is not the snatcher's audio. not even remotely.

i can't post the audio log in this channel, but

it was probably meant to be a link to the original snatcher

that was cut

also can't post a picture in this channel, but i'd like to

[minor fractal]

This was the R4E1 log, the R4D2 log is different than this.

[grizzled widget]

This is… my name is Schaeffer. That's- (laughing) That's all I know. (stuttering) I don't remember. (grunting) Focus… Yeah, I know. Yes I know! It's okay. They can't hear me down here. FUCK THEM! (laughing) FUCK THE WARDEN! (laughing) (clearing throat) Call me Schaeffer. I don't know who you are, or if it will ever be heard. I don't know. I'm not going back up. They'll be looking for me, the warden. I must- maybe they think I'm dead! What if they've come for me? What if I'm giving myself away here? What if I- Listen… I was in a group, there were four of us. They're all gone. But I think there are others. Maybe you, if you're hearing this. Maybe, you came after us! Or, before. Or, I don't know. I don't know! But there are signs. I've seen signs. There are others here, I know it. There's blood, fresh blood. The air, it smells different. Something ALIVE was here. Maybe they can help me! Yeah, that's it! But how do I trust them? They… have… to… prove themselves! Yes, yes! They have to go deeper. They have to get me… something… yes… YES! They have to get me something. Not here though. They have to go deeper. Go Deeper. I'll be waiting.

^r4d2

regardless, schaeffer's escape as a whole is a plot hole.

[hardy grotto]

THIS ISNT LORE CHANNEL

[grizzled widget]

we know from ogr6 extended that he trapped himself in KDS-DEEP, and that is why it is under lockdown in r5...

[civic wave]

OMG SCHAEFFER DISCREPANCY

FROSTYY BINGO

[grizzled widget]

geez you guys are so mean

[minor fractal]

This is the R4D2 log.

[grizzled widget]

(that is what i said)

you said the r4d2 log that we were talking about before was different

to support your statement, i put it in chat

[minor fractal]

ok

[frail heart]

wild

[long nimbus]

So, Uh, how possible do yall think R4D2 is with bots?

Cause, if anyone has advice on how to clear a class 7 cluster scan that spawns chargers, I'd appreciate it.

[frail heart]

win

id say thats a pretty difficult level

if you are doing PE

[long nimbus]

PE doesnt add much more challenge, since the overload only comes into play at the end and i can just 100% infection resist myself

for the secondary

its just the back to back charger cluster scans.

[minor fractal]

Permafoam

[long nimbus]

How? i have to stand in the scans

[minor fractal]

Class 7 is small room, no?

You can foam from scans

If you touch any scan in the scan set, it tells bots to do scans also

You can just run towards scans, then run back

[long nimbus]

well, they prioritize scans, but still have the 10 meter leash range

[frail heart]

the room is so small though

[minor fractal]

You can easily get in range of scans and then run to door periodically

You don't have to be constantly on the door to permafoam

Also, what are bot loadouts?

[long nimbus]

hel revo+revo. currently insanely good at clearing strikers/shooters, ass against chargers

[minor fractal]

Uh, revo is fucking awful on bots

Give them all BC

[long nimbus]

burst cannon?

[minor fractal]

Yes.

[upper ginkgo]

bots can burst cancel

[long nimbus]

THEY WHAT

SEE THIS IS WHY I ASK QUESTIONS

[tiny wyvern]

use burst rifle as well

For them that is

[minor fractal]

HEL Revo is probably better

[sick mauve]

at least if they shoot you with hel revo they might still damage an enemy

[tiny wyvern]

Yeah true

[prime musk]

if you give them burst cannon giving them hel revo gives strong synergy into chargers.

[sick mauve]

if you give a bot burst cannon, do you want they to down you with a burst cannon

[minor fractal]

Ngl, if you get FF'd by bots you probably did something wrong

It seems incredibly rare.

[tiny wyvern]

BC already limits their firing time

[long nimbus]

i've found you basically have to jump in front of them to get them to shoot you

[minor fractal]

Getting FF'd by bots is stepping into my HEL Gun line energy tbh

[tiny wyvern]

It's not like you're giving them hel auto + Machine gun

That might get you some strays at the end of the day

[tiny wyvern]

reminds me of the time one sniper sentry a pub placed downed three people and almost ended a run

fun times

[long nimbus]

sounds to me like you needed more sniper sentries.

[timber sage]

Wait guys, how do I pick a character?! I think me and two others are all playing as the same looking guy.

[frail heart]

You dont

You can change cosmetics and stuff after you unlock them by completing missions

But there are 4 people you can "play" as, and it depends on what slot you are in the lobby

1. Woods
2. Hackett
3. Dauda
4. Bishop

[grizzled widget]

*the one outlier being the evaluation, where you play as yourself

(the evaluation character is Tau-Class, but the only Tau on our quad is Dauda, and he's black...)

(that's how we know)

[lucid sonnet]

Could someone explain to me what I'm missing with Hel Gun and why people like it? It seems largely outclassed from what I can tell. Hel Rifle is better for pen shots, chargers, and all bigs. Hel Gun certainly has better ammo and uptime economy against smalls if you're going for headshots, but at that point revolver is better. In the scenario where you'd want it for both smalls and chargers, HAR is probably much more consistent for the better TTK (not to mention no charge-up).

[hard nexus]

revolver is not better

nuff said

[sturdy glen]

hel rifle and hel gun are sidegrades

hel gun is better for smalls but smalls are the most prevalent enemy in the game

[lucid sonnet]

Revolver has better TTK and total kills on smalls when landing headshots, as it has a better rate of fire & more ammo per pack

[sturdy glen]

pen is op as fuck

revo loses purely off that

but hel gun still has ups other than that over it

[upper ginkgo]

revo also doesn't two shot chargers :(

[lucid sonnet]

But if you're going for pen then hel rifle wins out while also being better against the aformentioned enemy types

30 damage weapon has crazy breakpoints

[sturdy glen]

hel rifle uptime is pretty bad and most ppl are terrible at playing pen well enough for it to be better than hel gun

15 damage is the best breakpoint in the game and hel gun has it

[lucid sonnet]

5 rounds and one shots, vs 7 rounds and two shots, if going for pen, so the uptime is just better on hel rifle rifle cause it actually kills?

[hard nexus]

total kills on 10 smalls coming at you at rapid speed? yea right

[lucid sonnet]

9 sorry*

[sturdy glen]

the reload on hel gun is very good

you rarely cant get it off

[lucid sonnet]

if you're getting overrun then combat shotgun wins out easy

[hard nexus]

combat shotgun is fun too

but sometimes its not enough

/rather have pen

[flat oar]

Revolver is fun

[sturdy glen]

revo is significantly worse than hel gun as well

unfortunately

[lucid sonnet]

Thing I don't get is that the hel gun lineup shots won't actually kill on the first shot, on hel rifle it will.

[sturdy glen]

you have 3 teammates

[lucid sonnet]

and if it takes 2 body shots to kill then hel rifle is more effecient

[sturdy glen]

you also typically take finisher loadouts to accompany hel gun

like hel revo

hel rifle is purely selfish in a team setting

(which isnt a bad thing, but its not an upside)

[lucid sonnet]

Yeah teamshooting is where this certainly changes

I can see that

[prime musk]

revos biggest advantage over hel gun is uptime
it loses on everything else
and hel gun never has uptime issues, it's like the like 2nd best uptime after revo

this matters a little in solo and not at all anywhere else

[sturdy glen]

and in solo you get fucked by the revo flashlight

[prime musk]

kinda mitigated by having sawed off which has good flashlight but yeah

[lucid sonnet]

Well not everything, revolver gets more ammo, so better for headshotting

[fervent falcon]

Hi!
I'm a returning player and was wondering if there's any video or things I need to know coming back into gtfo? Last I played was a year and a half ago but I started playing since release.
Its crazy how many melee options and guns there are now lol!

[sturdy glen]

1 bullet is basically nothing vs a gun with pen

[lucid sonnet]

15.68 vs 18.37 that's more than 1 bullet

(I'm referring to per pack as that's generally the best metric for ammo economy)

[sturdy glen]

bro I literally got lied to yesterday wtf

either way still doesnt matter

the pen is very significant

[frail heart]

not if pen is involved

[lucid sonnet]

If you're headshotting I'm pretty sure you aren't hitting pen shots, maybe I'm wrong but I think it's accurate to say as such

[prime musk]

(skill issue)

hitting headshots ans getting pen is not uncommon or particularly hard

[lucid sonnet]

If you believe that to be the case then yes that would be very effective

[sturdy glen]

go play the guns ngl

we havent even hit super hard on the revo vs hel gun breakpoints

[lucid sonnet]

The only point I bring up revolver is because this is in relation to small enemies, if you consider any other enemy type (excluding flyers) hel rifle is just better

[prime musk]

i often find myself choosing between revo and hel gun when soloing, and revo is really only relevant where there won't be a lot of bigs or good lines

[sturdy glen]

in practice it is easier for players to get higher value out of hel gun than hel rifle

that is pretty much it

[prime musk]

i think it's the opposite way around tbh but maybe it's just that im ass at hel gun

[lucid sonnet]

Yeah to me it feels almost always the other way around but I see the points you're making

team shooting and lineups aren't things you can rely on unlike a 30 damage shot that just kills everything in its path

[sturdy glen]

on the majority of the game hel gun just gets free value over hel rifle by it being striker spam

[prime musk]

you kinda gotta be hitting headshot+pen for hel gun to get that value

with hel rifle hitting just pen it's as good as hel gun hitting just pen

[lucid sonnet]

In the case you're "striker spamming" then hel rifle just wins, it kills in one shot, hel gun in 2, and it doesn't have double the ammo.

[prime musk]

?? you headshot with hel gun

hel gun wins every day

[lucid sonnet]

Well yes if you're headshotting

[sturdy glen]

hel gun gets the choice

the reload is very big

[lucid sonnet]

I find the reload doesn't matter when every shot you fire just kills the enemies but in the case you don't care about your special dealing with chargers and giants then fair enough

[sturdy glen]

hel gun is not bad for chargers and giants...

[lucid sonnet]

Certainly not bad but not comparable at that point.

[sturdy glen]

hel rifle is THE charger gun

nobody is going to argue in that case

but as far as vanilla goes chargers are not used particularly often

same goes for nightmares

tho nightmares have argument for hel gun more than chargers

[lucid sonnet]

Fair point

[prime musk]

i think hel gun is just better than hel rifle into nightmares ngl

[sturdy glen]

giants hel rifle is no longer objectively better but the argument is easy to make

idk why im the one arguing for hel gun here

someone else take over im a hel rifle main

[frail heart]

wheres beth

[sturdy glen]

asleep

[lucid sonnet]

It's all g dude, I'm not wanting to win or lose an argument I'm just gathering info cause my group is pretty much all hel rifle users and no one values hel gun

[prime musk]

based

[sturdy glen]

if youre good with rifle the diff doesnt rly matter

unless its a super fucked solo hold thats not chargers

[lucid sonnet]

lol

[sturdy glen]

but those dont exist in vanilla

so who cares

[prime musk]

hel rifle r4e1 solo hold >> hel gun r4e1 solo hold this is a hill i will die on i will now go to bed

[upper ginkgo]

don't think i've ever seen the r4e1 solo hold with hel rifle

has anyone bothered

seen revo, hel gun, combat shotty, pr, short rifle, sniper

[sturdy glen]

ive never even tried solo hold I rly should

[frail heart]

didnt ray use it?

[prime musk]

i run it in my runs with ray

[lucid sonnet]

Is this during the reactor closing the large door and holding back to have all the enemies go up the ramp?

[sturdy glen]

no

the actual solo hold not the baby vers

like in a duo run

[prime musk]

chill have you considered running hel rifle instead of bc in r4e1 speeds

on paper it seems really nice for error section at least

[sturdy glen]

no

[prime musk]

no to what part

[sturdy glen]

we havent considered it

honestly not a bad shout

[prime musk]

idea is that having pen for 2nd alarm for ammo efficiency while still having good ranged giant kill

you don't need a lot of pen for it to outeffi bc into giants

[sturdy glen]

yeah and typically the giants show up in pairs

or with other enemies

[prime musk]

it's worse into ending bossfight and into shadow zone probably but for code hunt it is time neutral i'd think

[native sun]

Bruh I have literally suggested it before

[sturdy glen]

when??

[native sun]

@lucid sonnet You shoot 2 HEL gun bullets faster than 1 HEL Rifle bullet. The 2 vs 1 bullet thing is not really as big as a factor as I think you think it is.

[prime musk]

oh yeah and with swag 3 shot into bbcs it's equal in ammo for error

[native sun]

Ages ago. We thought it'd suck too much against hybrids though so we discounted it.

This was very early in the triple sentry theorycrafting phase

[prime musk]

where are these hybrids
the like 4 hybrids you fight at start where 2 or 3 get nuked by scatter anyways

[lucid sonnet]

Is there a way to buffer shots? 0.2 vs 0.24 (0.12 x 2) doesn't sound faster to me.

[native sun]

zed, if I, as a person who has actually run the level in the 4 man speed environment, were to tell you, a person who has only run the level in a 2 man speed environment, that the hybrids are actually very important would you believe me

Or should I explain all the ways in which the 4 man is different

[prime musk]

i would believe you

i trust that it is a problem

[sturdy glen]

the hybrids mattered enough for me to want to swap to sniper

[prime musk]

i just don't get how it could be a problem

[sturdy glen]

the opposite way of hel rifle

[native sun]

HEL Gun: 0.2 charge + 0.1 shot delay = 0.3 between shots
HEL Rifle: 0.12 charge + 0.75 cooldown = 0.87 between shots

HEL Gun also has a decently faster reload, but crucially that reload speed is also hitting a critical threshold. HEL Gun's cancelled reload is less than 1.5s, which is a Striker's tongue cooldown. Meaning you can reload in between a stagger. This means you can fire a shot, or shove, or stagger with your main, and then reload your HEL Gun in time to deal with the enemy - something you cannot do with HEL Rifle.

(The difference in their reload cancels is 1.43s vs 2.16s)

[native sun]

We routinely deal with 2+ Hybrids at range on the first scan. HEL Rifle starts with 15 bullets. Assuming you 4 shot each Hybrid you now have 7 bullets. This weapon is also the weapon we need to deal with Giants or Hybrids on 2nd scan. Let's assume 1 hybrid and 1 giant. You do not have the ammo to kill both. And this isn't even getting to the 3rd scan, where we will also routinely deal with 2+ giants/big shooters at range.

[prime musk]

ok assume burst cannon

you start with 10 bursts

that's 5 big kills

3 hybrids 2 giants

it's not any better at not running out of ammo here

still runs out during 2nd scan

[native sun]

And burst cannon ammo feels terrible for the start of this level

It is better on ammo than HEL Rifle and is already barely doing enough.

[prime musk]

do you just not get any ammo between start and cell plug

[sturdy glen]

I think it is mildly ok bc the hybrids and giants on second alarm can get added to the line most of the time

and PR is now shooting hybrids

[native sun]

YES

[sturdy glen]

bc hel rifle takes over wave clear

but idk if its just straight better

I think its likely not

[native sun]

We do not stop to find ammo. We get the ammo that is on path. We are not adopting strats that require finding ammo on path because that'd be absolute gigatrash to run.

[prime musk]

that's fair

[native sun]

Compare to old HEL Rifle + BC + 2 Scatter. Ammo felt bad there, but now we're replacing BC with... PR....

[sturdy glen]

we were not playing that the same way

I dont think its comparable

idk I dont think its worth swapping but I think it would work like sniper does

[native sun]

It would probably be okay, but I don't think it as consistent and I don't want to make the start worse

[sturdy glen]

just in adiff way

yea

[native sun]

I think more relevant is that we lose your ability to solo kill a mom

And killing mom strats are Cool

[prime musk]

is the triple sentry pr really better than double sentry double bio with pen weapon instead

[sturdy glen]

im ngl tru, im never solo killing a mom

id be better off dumping sawed off into her while shes foamed

[native sun]

u should tho

Hammer -> 4 sawed off = stagger and BC finish from there is free

[native sun]

We think it would be comparable

[sturdy glen]

reload sawed off

still a kill

[prime musk]

8 sawed off + hammer does not kill mom

[sturdy glen]

it does

its just tight

also reload a second time

[native sun]

You can't miss anything iirc

[prime musk]

oh it does

[native sun]

And you'd run into tumor problems no?

[prime musk]

just barely

me when i approximate 22*8+20 and it isn't 200 but the .5 prec damage actually matters

[sturdy glen]

sawed off breaks tumrs in 2 shots you will never have problems

as client

[native sun]

Ye

[sturdy glen]

is BC dps even that much more than sawed off with reloads

[prime musk]

each sawed off reload is same prec dmg as 2 bursts

[native sun]

You kill in 2 bursts is the big thing

[frosty goblet]

how does the cfoam launcher work? my friend was running it one time and he tried using it on a big sleeper but it just didn't work for some reason

is it worth using?

[native sun]

Big guys take a lot of foam to freeze

You mostly don't want to use it for stealth

[native sun]

It is worth using because you can use it to reinforce doors

And then you can reapply it as the door takes damage

Scary alarm? Someone sits by the door keeping it foamed while everyone else does scans.

And then the wave stacked behind the door all die to a single mine.

[frosty goblet]

i see

ty

[paper summit]

Does R8E2 have Secondary or Overload? Also does R8D2 have an Overload?

[native sun]

They both have just secondary

[paper summit]

Alright, thanks.

[sudden nexus]

r8e2 sec is forced to due technical limitations afaik

[paper summit]

Alright, thanks. I was asking because I wanted to finish a PE mission last.

[sharp fern]

is it normal bot behavior when at extraction they suddenly stop shooting completely, even though they have each more than 50% on every gun? I just lost expedition in the end because waves of giants were marching towards me and bots just stood still, coldblooded, watching me die

[burnt inlet]

not for me, only problem i have is that they dont stand in the warden scan but ive noticed that the bots are wonky and sometimes just dont shoot, kicking them and adding them back usually fixes the wonkiness

[sharp fern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZkpu8a4k30&ab_channel=LaD1sh

Here's a video of it. Does it maybe have to do with the fact that i used "on me" command?

[flat oar]

if sleepers come too close bots gonna melee instead of shooting. idk about not shooting at the end tho

[nova quest]

Hey is there a way to kill the spaghetti dudes without triggering the horde because I just did my first rundown r1a1 with bots and I missed my knife heavy stab which resulted in my entire squad immediately dying as for some reason no med packs spawned up until that point, just 5 long range flashlights and I just barely survived 3 giants at the first alarm door. Also did I make a mistake by taking the high cal pistol and full auto shotgun?

[flat oar]

Knife need to stab "back of the head" to kill it

[tardy ingot]

Knife needs back of the head to kill

Also med (or resources in general) spawns arent random. You wouldve simply missed it

All melees can kill scouts (check here for how they work if you want #guides-and-reviews message )

And no, high cal and hel shotty are both strong.
Hel shotgun might be a bit weird to use for a beginner tho

High cal is one of the best choices for a beginner. It one shots smalls anywhere, kills giants with 4 to the body (dont aim for head) and can kill a scout with a headshot

Oh and a good thing to know

Scouts only spawn ~12 enemies

if you trigger one, dont panic

Kill the room its in and then play together to shoot the rest incoming

[nova quest]

So if I just high cal the scout in the head I'll just have to clear the room without extras?

[tardy ingot]

Yes

But learning to melee scouts is a vital and commonly necessary skill

[halcyon current]

^

You should definitely overwatch the scout when your new friends are learning tho tbh

[nova quest]

Thanks guys

[cobalt drift]

Newbie here, just downloaded the game how long does it usually take to matchmake in a game and what time is the recommended time to play inorder to get matchmake quickly?

[ocean spindle]

i would uh not recommend ingame matchmaking

[tiny wyvern]

we follow NA/EU peaks

[ocean spindle]

i would recommend u just use the LFG channels

[tiny wyvern]

Slendo's right, LFG is a better experience, but if you really want to know newbies should matchmake for As and Bs and usually takes 10 to 15 or so if you're on a weekday

You most likely will not get a mission you want to play

And there's a high chance you'll find people who don't speak the same language as you

[ocean spindle]

funny mm just choosing the mission for u

[cobalt drift]

What does LFG stand for ?

[tiny wyvern]

Looking for group

[wild flare]

Seems like bug

[ocean spindle]

looking for group

[tiny wyvern]

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[cobalt drift]

I see

[tiny wyvern]

Unless you're somewhat experienced and don't mind doing random missions IGMM (In Game Matchmaking) will be hell for you

So we usually recommend LFG

[ocean spindle]

igmm kdmskd

don't play ign ur gonna get a 7!!!

[tiny wyvern]

If you're on the asian side of things MM should be quick cause most asians use mm cause there's no discord for them

[cobalt drift]

Hmm

[flat oar]

there's some but not all

[cobalt drift]

I've played like 2 igmm and there were some questionable experience

[ocean spindle]

it tends to be so

[tiny wyvern]

Did you at least pick the As and Bs mission filter

[ocean spindle]

my first igmm were one hackers two normal people

[topaz anvil]

I remember back when igmm was good (I'm delusional)

[ocean spindle]

me when u got the bot igmm

[tiny wyvern]

When you get normal people it isn't so bad

[cobalt drift]

Yea

Which is harder BTW is it A or E?

[topaz anvil]

E

[ocean spindle]

W

dammit

E

fucking autocorrection

[topaz anvil]

hey its not nice to say ew :(

[ocean spindle]

:[ sorries

[cobalt drift]

I can relate my keyboard tends to rolf on me sometime

[ocean spindle]

i no like being on phone

[turbid horizon]

actually it was ewe

[ocean spindle]

it sucks butt

[ocean spindle]

actually it was [STACK_OVERLOAD]

[cobalt drift]

Are there mods for gtfo, I haven't checked nexus yet

[digital mural]

Ah yes
The game will surely have the hardest level as the first ones available

[digital mural]

Not nexus

[turbid horizon]

thunderstore

[digital mural]

Check Thunderstore

[turbid horizon]

Or R2 modman

[digital mural]

#hc-modded

[turbid horizon]

but yeah there are a couple

lol

[topaz anvil]

I love nexus mods

[ocean spindle]

for the record on the discord it's usually only quality of life mods
that's the ones allowed

on this discord i mean

[turbid horizon]

for here specifically

[digital mural]

Theres modded rundowns, bug fixes, qol shit and cheats

[ocean spindle]

yes that

[hardy grotto]

I love looking for cyberpunk mods on nexus mods

[burnt inlet]

Ventilation_override.exe

[cobalt drift]

Ye I only use it for mhw and rise so I'm not quite verse yet in other mod sites

[topaz anvil]

MH mods

[cobalt drift]

Ahh classic mods i see

[turbid horizon]

honestly been considering installing a mod to raise monster HP in wilds ngl

[ocean spindle]

mhw matter have wokector

[burnt inlet]

Where does the chatter mod go into this list? QoL?

[turbid horizon]

They just fucking explode

[ocean spindle]

whats chatter mod

[topaz anvil]

Cheating

[digital mural]

Annoying

[digital mural]

More voice lines

[burnt inlet]

Its smth along the lines of chatter🤷‍♂️

[ocean spindle]

is it the one that gives like 70 more dialogues that's qol

[cobalt drift]

It's not considered cheating if yall are having fun

Besides the monsters

[turbid horizon]

i love chatter reborn

[burnt inlet]

Yep, and puts the lore dialogue in too

[digital mural]

Ping everything >

[turbid horizon]

ee

ew

[digital mural]

[turbid horizon]

:3

[burnt inlet]

[ocean spindle]

fuck ping everything rahhh!!!!

[flat oar]

fumo best mod

[burnt inlet]

Fried_chicken.exe best mod 🐟

[ocean spindle]

u make it so easy to fish react u

[turbid horizon]

idk i prefer BSOD

pretty good mod

[burnt inlet]

🤯

[turbid horizon]

10/10, would bluescreen again

[burnt inlet]

😭🙏

[ocean spindle]

i like occlusion

[digital mural]

Dakstar can't run GTFO modded anymore

[ocean spindle]

occlusion W

[digital mural]

[turbid horizon]

Aactually i can

Was playing FE3 last night

[ocean spindle]

Wwhat

[turbid horizon]

After i spent an hour troubleshooting for my friend

[ocean spindle]

Ooh Mmy Ggod

:O

[digital mural]

No way
Your laptop doesnt Game end itself?

[turbid horizon]

Because thunderstore doesn’t allow for file paths longer than 260 characters

and their filepath was 268

[burnt inlet]

Thunderstore moment

[turbid horizon]

yeah lmao

that shit was so annoying

[flat oar]

does r2 have this issue?

[turbid horizon]

No

Ofc not

[flat oar]

wow

[burnt inlet]

Also what’s their path like? A billion folders?

[turbid horizon]

no

It was like, slightly longer,

Because my user folder was 5 characters

And theirs was like 15

and that put them over

we fixed it by manually installing and labeling the FE3 folder to FE3 instead of the really long name it had

[burnt inlet]

Or just skip thunderstore altogether

[turbid horizon]

yeah but we wanted to play that night

And they didn’t want to install r2modman at the time

we fixed it

[burnt inlet]

Fair enough

I do manual download cuz I’m only running the chatter mod

[errant dome]

i think u mean fat finger

as dumb as autocorrect can be sometimes i dont think it will tranform an e to a w :p

[ocean spindle]

no

i wrote e

it it doesn't like me

sometimes it does it when i write a

[burnt inlet]

If you type w a lot (instead of win) it thinks e should be w

[turbid horizon]

Yeah

[errant dome]

wack, ive never seen that

the more u know i suppose

[burnt inlet]

… all autocorrects collect what you usually type and use it to guess what u mean

Why it’s harder for it to correctly guess when you get a new phone

[ocean spindle]

idk

phone hates me

skill issue

for me

[digital mural]

Make it love you

[errant dome]

ive never seen it correct a letter before shrug

as in single letter by itself

[ocean spindle]

no i hate it back

i want a nothing phone

:[

[burnt inlet]

U can sometimes become I (if new phone) iirc

[burnt inlet]

Get fair phone instead

[strong vapor]

To anyone running an RX 9700XT or a RX 570: how does GTFO run for you? Thinking about upgrading from the latter to the former.

This game has ran fantastically so far on my outdated setup, sucks to hear there's some sort of memory leak or similar

[burnt inlet]

i think you mean 9070 xt?

[strong vapor]

Yep!

I love AMD marketing I love AMD marketing I love AMD marketing I love AMD marketing I love AMD marketing I love AMD marketing

[burnt inlet]

will be more than enough for gtfo

[crystal pilot]

wasn't the koning one of the best special weapons some years ago?

[digital mural]

Yes

Its now really mid

[crystal pilot]

what did they change?

[digital mural]

2 bullet mag instead of 3

And the reload is slow af

Is still a good pick in some situations

[tardy ingot]

slower firerate aswell

[grizzled widget]

the only one i really know of is r7d1

[tardy ingot]

and worse recoil

[grizzled widget]

because big level and big foliage

[tardy ingot]

Garden tiles generally have issues

But it only rly adds up if you reload the level A BUNCH

[digital mural]

Gardens kills my computer

[strong vapor]

Oh, apologies, thought I was on #pc-build-help-and-tech-talk . Shoot.

Was confused when I saw Eagle asking about weapons lmao

[burnt inlet]

its fine

[grizzled widget]

they buffed it a lot in r6

(ogr6)

then nerfed it repeatedly over the years

i think it only has two shots now?

it is just horrible

[tardy ingot]

yes

og r6 sniper having 6 per refill was crazy funny tho ngl

considering it got 1 less than choke mod did

[digital mural]

I still cant understand the bullpup nerf as well

[tardy ingot]

P-p-p

you know the word

[digital mural]

[crystal pilot]

how many shots does the pistol take to kill a stryker?

1 headshot and how many bodyshots

[grizzled widget]

3

1 head, 2 body

been the same since the very beginning

[crystal pilot]

does the crit spot dissapear on their head when it explodes? or can you shoot the hole where the head was and it still counts?

[tardy ingot]

can be 2 if you do a funny
But 3 is the general nr yes

[grizzled widget]

complicated answer...

yes but no

it depends if you are host

[tardy ingot]

Its gone if it explodes

[digital mural]

No head?

[grizzled widget]

like, you can 1-burst with the burst rifle if you are client

[crystal pilot]

wtf

[tardy ingot]

if it explodes -> its gone tho

[crystal pilot]

how is damage dependent on who hosts

[digital mural]

Spaghetti code

[grizzled widget]

its a bug, i know, but its true

[tardy ingot]

Clients can (through lag) hit things like the head of an enemy multiple times before its gone

[grizzled widget]

for host it works correctly, the head pops, and the rest of the burst misses

for guns with stagger you should be hitting different limbs though

like head, then arm, then leg, etc

[tardy ingot]

The weirder thing is that host has a fucked up shotgun interaction on this

[grizzled widget]

each limb has a stagger "health" iirc

[crystal pilot]

should you target the center of mass after exploding the head or should you target limbs for maybe getting a stagger?( on strikers and shooters)

[tardy ingot]

if you hit all pellets into the head and it explodes

Then you do less dmg than head and body

Because the shotgun as host only has the necessary pellets do dmg. Everyting over that flies passt

[tardy ingot]

Body
If head is gone (only happens to strikers) they are low hp anyway

[grizzled widget]

depends on the gun really

but for damage, just pump chest

[crystal pilot]

i never noticed there are no shooters without a head

[grizzled widget]

pistol can't do shit damage wise against giants, but you can stun them alright if you aim at limbs

giving the rest of your time team to kill it

[grizzled widget]

they don't have melee. their only attack is from their head/bone shard attack.

[tardy ingot]

Pistol can spam dps out quite quickly

[crystal pilot]

so low damage weapon=target limbs

[tiny wyvern]

Pistols prefer back, then limbs, then body

[tardy ingot]

and also soft stagger easily through that

[tardy ingot]

Not rly

honestly for smalls you aim for head and body

[grizzled widget]

not really low damage... there is a stagger multiplier in the code

[crystal pilot]

the problem is 9 times out of 10 they're facing you so back is almost never an option

[grizzled widget]

certain weapons have more, certain weapons have less

[tiny wyvern]

Yes

[grizzled widget]

you kind of just have to know

[tardy ingot]

On giants (outside of sniper and precision rifle) you aim for body. Getting limb/head break IF you need a stagger to stop an attack

[tiny wyvern]

But with pistol you really want to capatilize on the back when you have the chance

[tardy ingot]

Not rly?

Its the same as other guns

…

[grizzled widget]

okay, so the pistol has a 1.5x stagger multi

[tiny wyvern]

depends on what you're fighting I suppose

[sick mauve]

*but with pistol you go and pick a better gun

[tardy ingot]

@crystal pilot in normal combat you can often shoot to stagger a giant tho and then run around to get a quick kill from behind

[grizzled widget]

so it is quite high

compared to an assault rifle, which only has a 1x

you can use the wiki to look at the numbers

[tardy ingot]

AR just sucks in general tho

pistol is pretty balanced

[grizzled widget]

i'm trying to explain stagger damage

[crystal pilot]

pistol is good

[grizzled widget]

basically, each limb has a certain "health"

when you shoot that limb, you damage the limb, and the enemy for the same ammount (correct me if wrong)

the stagger mutli multiplies the damage done to that limb

but not the enemy as a whole

[tardy ingot]

This is incorrect*

the rest was correct

stagger multi works for the soft stagger

limb breaking is hard stagger

soft stagger works off of a „stagger hp“ each enemy has

Its basically just an hp bar that lowers with dmg. Stagger multis simply multiply the dmg by that for the stagger hp bar

limbs have their own unique hp bar aswell tho kinda (as frostty said tho, if you dmg them you dmg the enemy too for the same amount)

When you get a limbs hp to 0 it breaks and you hard stagger the enemy

[sick mauve]

the beta pistol vs the chad autopistol, autopistol:

• also staggers
• pens
• is automatic
• faster rof
• better ammo bigger clip size
• came from hell (name powercreep)

i rest my case

[tardy ingot]

better ammo is uuuh

[grizzled widget]

machinepistol is the true chad move

it technically has the highest dps in the game, correct?

a very, TECHNICALLY technically

[tardy ingot]

well

Sawed off

[sturdy glen]

not even close

[sick mauve]

short rifle if you can click fast enough?

[tardy ingot]

Chill this looks like you are saying sawed off isnt even close

[sturdy glen]

I mean

[tardy ingot]

smh washed

[sturdy glen]

that is true too

main was not specified

[tardy ingot]

well

It was clearly insinuated

[grizzled widget]

i know the machinepistol is technically the best at something

regardless though, i've loved using it since ogr2

[tiny wyvern]

machinepistol is good at mopping

[sturdy glen]

its highest rof I think

[tiny wyvern]

I use it as a mop

[grizzled widget]

even if it isn't the most meta pick

[tardy ingot]

it was highest theoretical* ammo efficiency ignoring pen iirc

[grizzled widget]

hel-weapons ruined that competition

[tiny wyvern]

And sawed off

Is just goated

I just like having 50 bullets in a mag and not having half my screen blocked by a gun

[sick mauve]

ooc, can the sawed off normally kill charger scouts?

[hoary mason]

you can certantly try spaming it into it's back

[grizzled widget]

i remember using choke mod for that in ogr6

it was quite good

[sick mauve]

i gave sawed off like idk 0.13 more damage in quix and apparently that’s enough to back shot them

[civic wave]

sawed off deals 30.1 damage iirc

[sturdy glen]

sawed off can kill

[grizzled widget]

it will keel

[crystal pilot]

hel autopistol? it doesn't kill anything

it's a nerfgun

it's only use is staggering which is good in it's own right

[minor fractal]

This would be true if it weren't a pen gun

[sick mauve]

it’s okay to be wrong

[minor fractal]

It just de-facto can kill shit because of pen.

[carmine grotto]

Outside burst pistol short rifle, what other bad loadouts would you recommend for some artificial difficulty?

[tardy ingot]

ARs/bullpups and snipers

Shotgun sentrys

[grizzled widget]

double shotgun r6d1 or no balls.

[crystal pilot]

is rifle good?

[tardy ingot]

Decent

[grizzled widget]

kind of.

[sick mauve]

no

[grizzled widget]

it is alright.

[carmine grotto]

If your cps is high, good

[crystal pilot]

it has less zoom thatn the dmr?

[crystal pilot]

what is cps?

[grizzled widget]

it also does less damage, but has more ammo

[carmine grotto]

Clicks per sec

[grizzled widget]

its a spam shooter

hybrid pistol and dmr

bastard child

[tardy ingot]

Its rly just a higher ranged pistol with some minor down and upsides

[crystal pilot]

how many shots to kill?

strikers

[tardy ingot]

dmr is very different

[grizzled widget]

not quite a longsword, not quite a shortsword

[tardy ingot]

Same as pistol

it rly only changes if you only bodyshot enemies

[carmine grotto]

With or without reactor skip?

[tardy ingot]

cuz it has the 5 dmg breakpoints

And pistol doesnt

[grizzled widget]

either. good luck with falloff

[crystal pilot]

is the pistol better?

[tardy ingot]

Choke mods unironically make it kinda chill

[grizzled widget]

yeah

[minor fractal]

Probably, yeah.

[tardy ingot]

They are pretty equal

pistol is better now slightly due to actually having a fast reload

[carmine grotto]

Will update if we end up doing it lol

[tardy ingot]

they fucked rifle reload cancel

[crystal pilot]

what about carbine?

what does it make it be so good?

[tardy ingot]

good ttk

fast reload

Decent range

Good mag size

[grizzled widget]

it is the go-to speedrunner weapon

for the above reasons

[tiny wyvern]

Recoil's not too bad as well

[crystal pilot]

it's one burst to the head and one to the body on a striker?

[tardy ingot]

not rly
its a semi common pick at best

[tiny wyvern]

For beginners anyways

[tardy ingot]

since sawed off exists

[tardy ingot]

generally yes

[sturdy glen]

its just a comfort weapon for a lot of speedrunners

rather than a correct pick

[crystal pilot]

sawed off is rly ez

[tardy ingot]

its the spammiest high range and close range pick for levels

[grizzled widget]

if you want a simple all-rounder loadout to use as a beginner, run burst-rifle + s870 or combat shotgun

[crystal pilot]

which weapons benefit the most from hip firing?

probably hel shotgun?

[grizzled widget]

not many. mostly only shotguns and smgs

ammo is important

[carmine grotto]

Depends on if you know where the spread pattern will hit on hip fire. I've found good success with carbines being consistent

[crystal pilot]

but sometimes the sights zoom a lot and you can't aim properly

[tardy ingot]

benefit?

[grizzled widget]

benefit is none

its just can you use it hip-firing

or are you wasting ammo

[digital mural]

Isnt the point of aiming zooming in videogames?

[crystal pilot]

basically

[digital mural]

To shoot better

[sturdy glen]

not all the time

like in this game its not

[tiny wyvern]

You can basically use slug shotgun hip fire

[grizzled widget]

tell that to flamethrowers

[crystal pilot]

yes

[digital mural]

Why would you aim with a flamethrower

[tiny wyvern]

And pretend it's an extended melee weapon

[sturdy glen]

also zoom isnt always a full benefit

[grizzled widget]

THATS WHAT I AM SAYING

[sturdy glen]

recoil pattern can make more zoom bad

like in gtfo I would consider ads on shotguns to be a detriment

[tardy ingot]

shotguns dont shoot worse between ads and hipfire

pdw and some other guns have a slightly easier time to control recoil in hipfire

[sturdy glen]

bc you get no more accuracy and now recoil actually affects your aim

[grizzled widget]

shotguns and flamers are your hip-fire weapons in games, and gtfo only has shotguns

[crystal pilot]

this is crucial to know

aiming is worse in every aspect then for shotguns

[grizzled widget]

if you know what you are doing, you can manage with SMGs, but you'd still be better off aiming

[digital mural]

Even for slug?

[crystal pilot]

idkn about slug

[digital mural]

Slug hipfire sounds miserable

[grizzled widget]

slug shotguns irl have crazy range.

you don't use slug rounds like buckshot

[digital mural]

More than 8m = no damage

Videogame logic

[burnt inlet]

theyd just be too op

chat why is there 50 giants in fog in r3a2?

[glad sun]

Because

:]

[burnt inlet]

also when i dropped into r3a2 got flashbacks into r2d1, and not the good kind 😭

[glad sun]

Haven't touched it yet, maybe that's what's next

Sounds like a fun time

[crystal pilot]

does mine placement being head height on strikers make a difference?

[prime musk]

no

[grizzled widget]

i don't know..

but i know you can place it so it only triggers on chickens and giants

[prime musk]

the mine deployer does have a 1x precision multiplier

[grizzled widget]

that's its main use outside of doors

[prime musk]

but it only really matters on bigs or bosses, since all smalls die to one mine anyways

[crystal pilot]

chickens? you mean shooters?

[grizzled widget]

no

[crystal pilot]

dafuc

chickens

[grizzled widget]

pretty much all of the enemies (barring exceptions) don't have official names

[prime musk]

big shooters

[grizzled widget]

instead having community names

"chickens" are the community name for giant shooters

[crystal pilot]

🐔

[grizzled widget]

like giants are called giants, or franks

[errant dome]

if you mean does mine hitting a striker on a head make a diff? no, if you mean does mine position matter when mining a door? yes, but the diffrence is usually not very big

[grizzled widget]

is it general good advice to give to say never place the mine on the side of the door with the button?

[errant dome]

i would say ya, i cant think of a situation where you would want 2 do that, but maybe some niche one exists, but overall you usually place it on the other side of the button

[prime musk]

it is useful to avoid potential deaths to the mine

since the hitbox doesn't extend behind the mine

but does extend outwards to the other direction, beyond the door

[errant dome]

is it? cause you can easily accidentally open the door if you try to place it on the button side and end up fucking urself :p

[prime musk]

i mean yeah

you gotta not fuck it up

if you have the prep time it is just free safety for team though

[errant dome]

realistically there should be no reason you are close 2 a mined door if its about 2 be destroyed shrug

and if its an emergency mine cause u woke up a room i'd rather do not button side and be safe

so all things considered i dont rlly see any benefit to button side

[prime musk]

scan position, or it can be a blood door that you're playing scatter on and want to rush the hybrids

it is very minor i agree but it is a technical advantage

[errant dome]

blood door is different since it doesnt even have a "button", scan position i disagree, there is practically no scan position where you are forced into a mine's radius, u can be in scan while still being well out of reach

[prime musk]

maybe

[sturdy glen]

just do normal mines

[errant dome]

thats what im sayin

[sturdy glen]

if you wanna be quirky

learn sprint mine

and do that to satisfy your adhd

[errant dome]

how do you do that btw

[sturdy glen]

easiest way is sprinting into the wall while placing it

[prime musk]

about sprint mine
do you lose stam while sprinting if you're sprinting into the wall

or is it tied to actually moving

[sturdy glen]

you do lose stam ye

[prime musk]

F

[errant dome]

i see

[sturdy glen]

on ping its pretty easy to just time sprinting immediately after the mine is placed

[grizzled widget]

does heart-attack do anything?

[sturdy glen]

bc the mine place is delayed based on your ping

[grizzled widget]

other than turn your health yellow and give you a heart-attack irl?

[errant dome]

it just indicates you are on high stam

[grizzled widget]

i feel like it should deal a ton of damage

[errant dome]

which means you cant sprint

if it did then the already meager population of this game would dwindle significantly more xd

most players have no idea how 2 manage stamina

[sturdy glen]

your move speed is reduced*

[errant dome]

right

[grizzled widget]

well i mean for the entirety of ogr6 i was under the assumption that it DID do damage, like 40%

[errant dome]

i keep mixing them up

[grizzled widget]

it has ALL of the indicators...

except actual damage

[errant dome]

well im not 2 sure on OG r6 since i didnt play back then, but i dont think it did dmg there either, at the very least if it did im confident it was not 40%

[hardy grotto]

it’s never done damage

[grizzled widget]

that's what i'm saying. i know that now,

but there is no way when 10cc were designing it they didn't plan for it to do no damage

[tardy ingot]

it massively slows down your movement speed and weapon charge speed

[hardy grotto]

from what I heard from BHs that was never a thing

[errant dome]

i mean i think the intention was just 2 prevent long kiting

[hardy grotto]

Never planned to be

[tardy ingot]

imagine if it did an hp drain
but you also speed up above normal speed @hardy grotto 💀

[hardy grotto]

Stam used to be more oppressive

would’ve gone hard

[prime musk]

idk stam should probably be removed im not sure it adds anything to the game

[tardy ingot]

it certainly does

[sturdy glen]

stam is fine

[tardy ingot]

not always positive

but the negatives are marginal

[sturdy glen]

stam only sucks because of other bugs in the game

[prime musk]

ig it prevents funny circlekiting with melee

[grizzled widget]

stam promotes a less mobile, more rigid plastyle

[tardy ingot]

without stam pub lobbies were all filled with random "we need to long kite" people zed

[grizzled widget]

holding out, rather than running away

[tardy ingot]

we need to melee all rooms

people MELEED r4e1 reactor

[prime musk]

that's kinda funny

[grizzled widget]

ik, i heard about that

[errant dome]

i hate how true this is 💀

[grizzled widget]

fucking crazy

[civic wave]

yeah because there's not enough ammo to shoot it all :)

[tardy ingot]

ngl it unironiaclly still allows tons of mobility but stops full sprint brainless run playstyles

[hardy grotto]

The melee was fun tbh

[tardy ingot]

yea
but a different game for sure

[grizzled widget]

unless you run knife?

[tardy ingot]

even knife cant do it for long periods of time

due to sprint

[hardy grotto]

I always wanted to see if I could solo melee the first 3-4 waves

[sturdy glen]

you can knife spawn cap of strikers before running out of stam

[hardy grotto]

but I doubt I’ll ever get around to it

[prime musk]

idk stam just feels bad

[tardy ingot]

when do you feel stam in vanilla gameplay as a noticeable detriment

[errant dome]

mostly when an enemy gets stuck

[hardy grotto]

the melee was more fun before stam

[errant dome]

but thats not cause of stam itself

[sturdy glen]

_ _

[hardy grotto]

But we also had occi one tap

[errant dome]

yea i agree

[grizzled widget]

that's more the fault of levels being randomly generated terrain pieces, though

[tardy ingot]

ngl if this was back it would be fine

[sturdy glen]

its not

[prime musk]

melee is just not fun when you're forced to walk and do nothing for like 10 seconds after meleeing 3 strikers

(with hammer)

if i have 5 strikers i need to run through and melee stam just runs out and im forced to do nothing

[tardy ingot]

how the hell do you melee

[sturdy glen]

working in stam resets mid combat is interesting idk

my only problem is how much stam it takes to kill a giant

[tardy ingot]

thats kinda the point tho
imagine if everyone could freely melee 5 strikers

thats 20 god damn strikers

[grizzled widget]

to be entirely fair, sprinting with a sledgehammer and cracking heads is insane, and probably impossible were we not KSOs

[hardy grotto]

Nah I think meleeing in og was way more fun

[tardy ingot]

this is annoying (in solo) yea

[prime musk]

sure it might not be balanced but it's fun

[errant dome]

i mean its not that hard 2 stop enemies from getting stuck ngl, all you need 2 is to teleport them to a valid location if they dont move for a certain amount of time (like lets say 20 seconds). Its an easy fix but welp, not in vanilla unfortunately

[civic wave]

the movement felt a lot more fluid and momentum bug went hard

[sturdy glen]

idk if you want to melee all the strikers just take knife

[prime musk]

i enjoy running and meleeing and the game just says "you have had too much fun now you gotta stop"

[hardy grotto]

Closest you can get to that these days is knife yeah

[tardy ingot]

it had some issues with clunkyness on charging but due to no stam you had more freedom

[hardy grotto]

Which isn’t really fun

[civic wave]

it's like a mini game wirh quick time events

[hardy grotto]

Ye

[sturdy glen]

the r6 melee qol is very good

[civic wave]

you momentum bug snd need to correct your course of action

[sturdy glen]

input buffering is a great feature

[hardy grotto]

I think there was a pretty big skill ceiling for melee outside of just circle kiting tbh

[grizzled widget]

question: I know you guys don't follow the lore too much and are more interested in the gameplay, how much do y'all know about the story?

[tardy ingot]

definetly
but its also 100% understandable that the devs didnt want gtfo to be a melee combat focused game

[hardy grotto]

A reasonable amount

[grizzled widget]

its a genuine question

[hardy grotto]

I think they were too harsh on it tho is all

[tardy ingot]

general story, around 8-9/10
deep story, 6-7/10 but certainly with noticeable gaps

[hardy grotto]

But I mean the 2 melee weapons kinda make sense

[tardy ingot]

that was likely as during that time specifically the community and the devs had a ... strained relationship

[errant dome]

mostly the r8 stuff since i actually listened 2 the voicelines for those, beyond that not much tbh. I know a lil bit about the "collectors" and what the warden is but not much in terms of details

[grizzled widget]

--because i remember evensofarin as back in ogr6, there was a big gap between the people who gave a shit about the lore, and those that didn't.

[grizzled widget]

there is the GTFO Lore For Dummies in the pins of #gtfo-lore if you are interested, sometime.

i think part of the problem is how scattered and messy it is

that, and a good chunk just being entirely removed.

it's not a good way to get people to care about your game's story

if they have to spend a week trying to piece it all together

[hardy grotto]

Idk I think comparing OG cell skip to ALT cell skip is a pretty good example of what I mean

[civic wave]

the story is secondary to the gameplay for this game, and always will be

[hardy grotto]

melee does just feel worse

[sturdy glen]

I like the part where schaeffer finds himself, pulls out his pipe, and then the voiceline cuts off cuz I woke a single striker up

[civic wave]

i don't think the majority of people are that into finding logs and story elements

[grizzled widget]

for the original 1-5 i'd agree, but the devs shifted hard in r6-r8

we wen't from not have much lore beyond our characters, to massive amounts of both pre-apocalypse stuff, and even ongoing stuff

like you can explain the story of each 1-5 rundown in a single sentence

[grizzled widget]

and i know, a lot of people didn't like that shift to focusing more on the story.

[tardy ingot]

I think how the lore is done in R6-R8 is still secondary to gameplay
but its integrated a lot better (the awfully long lore scans in og r6 aside) and makes for a more compelling experience

[grizzled widget]

because the devs removed the played-over-gameplay audio logs in alt://r6

[grizzled widget]

and i don't blame them. not only are they hidden in expeditions, but none of them are in order

[errant dome]

ya im not rlly a big fan of the "hunt for the story". Tho i think its more cause very few people do it in an enjoyable way (at least for me), i'd prolly be more fine with it if it was scattered peices that all came together nicely, but alot of it is VERY all over the place and that more or less made me not rlly that interested in the story

[grizzled widget]

and some not even dated

[turbid horizon]

i miss the lore scans, just wish they’d been normal speed scans

[grizzled widget]

so if you manage to collect all the logs, you still gotta try and string it together

[tardy ingot]

ya

[grizzled widget]

combined with removed stuff and ARG logs...

i don't blame people.

[hardy grotto]

ok

[crystal pilot]

why?

[frail heart]

it literally doesnt matter

[grizzled patrol]

1. you can open it accidentally
2. Its annoying when looking at thew button resets the placement timer

if you are good enough it doesnt matter indeed

[frail heart]

also you just place it when the door is closing

because theres no interact

technically its also faster in speeds on big doors if ur the one closing it

but it doesnt matter

[grizzled patrol]

tbh it is really room dependant on what side you place it, in some rooms mine on the wrong side can easily teamkill

[frail heart]

its such a small thing

its actually better to place it on a specific side sometimes

but yeah again theres no reason to say not to

if people dont like placing it on the side with the panel then they just wont

woah crazy

[grizzled patrol]

be the freak, place it on the frame on the top of the door

[frail heart]

the better mine

[grizzled patrol]

(fuck labs and datacentre)

[sudden nexus]

in the r3d1 wr do people shoot the first blood door mines to explode then early?

[frail heart]

on small doors at least

[frail heart]

yeah

or you can deep mine

so it explodes before the blood door opens

[prime musk]

well in current wr ray forgets to mine no

[sudden nexus]

what's the point?

[frail heart]

so people can run through quicker

and not blow up

[sudden nexus]

... saving like a fraction of a second?

[frail heart]

yes

this is speedrunning

[prime musk]

nah it's 1-2 seconds timesave

[frail heart]

but its not a fraction

[turbid horizon]

even if it were a fraction they’d still do it

[prime musk]

yeah he does

[frail heart]

if the enemies are late to blowing up you just lose a couple seconds

and there is literally no downside to it

[sudden nexus]

when do you shoot it?

[frail heart]

as soon as the door is open

this is why deep mine is good