gtfo-related-questions

[fathom ice]

verify integrity files

[void bear]

already did. no problems

[fathom ice]

reinstall ig

[tardy ingot]

might be desync issues @fathom ice

which can even happen if you are in the same city

since this game is peer to peer it depends on your connection to each other (host to you matters most)

[void bear]

what would be the solution for that?

[tardy ingot]

uuuh
different internet provider/better internet :^)

uuh jokes aside

[fathom ice]

had a thingy with steam cloud tweaking

[tardy ingot]

ive had rly bad desync issues sometimes with my old team (school friends) one day and then none the other. But we could usually still join

id check if its not some other issues for you

but a quick check for whether its desync is just trying to host a lobby/joining completely different people

[tardy ingot]

hm?

[fathom ice]

it's like

when u try launching on tuesday maintenance

and u do launch while steam is dead

and u try playing after when it's on it breaks

[digital mural]

#1049599987878723635

There a couple threads that can solve your problem

Or You can make yours

[void bear]

thanks guys, i will try this out.
was to blind to see the technical-support channel xD

[digital mural]

https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/1299084188124839977

This one

[tiny wyvern]

Give me a moment and I'll take a look, my finger's bleeding

[digital mural]

eat the finger

[fathom ice]

yes !!

[tiny wyvern]

Usually resetting router helps
Could be antivirus or smth else but router's easiest to deal with

[flat oar]

"never bite the one that finger you" tony lc sign

[digital mural]

🤨 🤨 🤨 🤨

[void bear]

its something with the Router, it works over my Mobil-Phone Hotspot

[tiny wyvern]

Yeah hirnu's advice is always nice

[void bear]

thanks again.
gonna search for the problem, when i find motivation :D

[tiny wyvern]

If you need help with that just make your own thread

I'll try to help with that

If i can't I'll ping someone who probably can

[void bear]

super cool, thank you!!

[amber girder]

Guys, if I get detected by a scout, how much time do I have to neutralize him?

[tiny wyvern]

Define detected

You mean the tentacles?

Or when he crouches down?

[amber girder]

yeah

[tiny wyvern]

About a second

[amber girder]

Ohhhh, okie

[tiny wyvern]

Have to hit him quick on the head else he crouches down and becoes invulnerable

[amber girder]

thanks very much

[amber girder]

taking notes

[tiny wyvern]

Depends on how far you've gone

Chronologically with the least hassle is R2E1 first room

I remember there being a better option for r7 or r5 I don't remember

[civic wave]

R1A1 has 2 scouts past 1 alarm but there can be other enemies in the same room

[civic wave]

R7B1, you do both alarms, pick up key without alerting scouts, and then do checkpoint scan

so you have 2 scouts available when you reset from checkpoint

[tardy ingot]

3 actually (checkpoint zone and both alarm zone ones)

[vague bridge]

dauda just told me to hijack a semitruck and slam it into the big ben

what do?

[deep dune]

You know what to do

[crystal blaze]

YOUR MAJESTY, A SECOND BUS HAS JUST HIT BIG BEN

[cedar sky]

Anyone knowing abt the bug where the bots do not enter sec scans? Had this a couple times now, dont really know how to fix this

[civic wave]

host presses escape key, locks the player slot to remove bot from the lobby, then re-add the bot back when scan is done (or whenever the best time is)

[peak delta]

whats the minimum +%main dmg booster needed to one-shot-headshot w dmr?

[flat oar]

any % mute booster is enough

[peak delta]

oh wow

whats the minimum you can get from a muted booster?

for main damage

[flat oar]

without booster head shoot leave striker less than 1 health

[civic wave]

5% i think

but eh whatever booster not needed

[peak delta]

ohh

ok thanks

what about for hel revolver?

[civic wave]

hel revo needs 13 or 14

[peak delta]

damn

[halcyon coyote]

Comply

[amber girder]

Guys, which rundown is recommended to play first? I thought about R8, maybe y'all can recommend smth.

[ocean spindle]

R1 and R6
R1 is the simplest rundown, easiest top to bottom
R6 is one of the 'easier' rundowns, with a more easy A1 but the difficulty curve goes up higher

R8 is pretty much the worst rundown to start with along with R5

they both ramp up a lot in difficulty and r8 has a LOT of story that u sort of need to understand

[amber girder]

hell yeah

[digital mural]

The difficulty goes up quite a lot

And i mean a lot

Without prior experience you Will 100% get stuck really early

[amber girder]

too bad that subtitles goes way too fast, they aren't syncing up with audio

[ocean spindle]

yeah

sad

[digital mural]

So i recommend starting with R1 or R6

[amber girder]

okay, thanks guys!

[ocean spindle]

u can either go by jumping rundowns or u can go in order and then if u get stuck, jump ahead

good luck on ur gtfoing

[amber girder]

thanks

[crystal blaze]

No mention of R4?

Cringe as fuck

Literally the most annoying rundown with the secondaries and overloads

[ocean spindle]

r4 is not the worst its annoying but not the worst

plus only annoying if u sorta kno what ur doing and whats happening

[crystal blaze]

I mean, banging your head against a wall during C3 or E1 is certainly more than annoying

And there’s no thunderdome objective, thus bad

I love the thunderdome objective

[ocean spindle]

ah yes r5 and r8 the rundowns u dont bash ur head

against nothing

[digital mural]

R4 be like:
Have 3 surges
Have 1 alarm after the surges
Have another surge
Res? What is that?
Have 1 mom in extract

I love R4

[flat oar]

you forget error alarm

[hard nexus]

no u

r4 best

[amber girder]

Any tactics against big guy in solo?

[urban oriole]

when they are alone, you can just backshoot them for easy murder

if you want to melee, hit the limbs from the back for hard stagger

if you are afraid of getting hit by the 40 damage melee, try to bait the attack and jump in when the animation is done

[tiny wyvern]

that or use spear and stay out of range
(Don't tell anyone I said that)

[urban oriole]

use knife

[amber girder]

i think I'll use a knife for swag and bonuses

💥

[urban oriole]

scaler will be proud

[crystal blaze]

Use the biotracker as your melee

It’s so broken

Literally one shots tanks

Trust

[urban oriole]

hug the tanks

they will one shot you

trust

[amber girder]

ping ping ping
death sounds

[hard nexus]

sawed off

[tiny wyvern]

Mines

The ultimate 'kill yourself if you can't manipulate pulsing well' option

[grizzled patrol]

getting head on first hit is overrated. Always a reliable weakspot if it turns into a helicopter

[wet bear]

Let it fly if it becomes helicopter, it will rescue you from complex

[amber girder]

truly a gtfo grom complex

[crystal blaze]

ICBM weapon in GTFO when?

Also, the Guardian Angel achievement should’ve absolutely been called, “What the dog doin’?”

[clever verge]

for matchmaking in beginners is there any rules like only below 20h played or something?

[digital mural]

No

You mean ingame mm or LFG?

Because it doesnt matter
Beginners are just..... Beginners

You can join other lobbies that arent in beginners

[hard nexus]

no its a meme

everyone plays there

everyone posts there

[digital mural]

real

I love watching E2, R5D1, R4E1 lobbies in LFG beginners

[clever verge]

kk ty ty

[fathom ice]

erm guys can u help me clear r8e2 i have 15 hours 🤓

[fallen kite]

ofc skyt

i can help you solo it

[fathom ice]

huge

[ocean lance]

just use sentry

[fathom ice]

even bigger

ngl i think 3 sniper sentries is the way trust

[digital mural]

Scatter sentry when

[young tundra]

My guy, solo knife is the way to beat R8E2

[urban oriole]

shotgun sentry but good

[tiny wyvern]

mises 99% of the time, but will oneshot a city block when it hits

[urban oriole]

soulsniper

[mental bay]

So I’m in the middle of an uplink alarm and my terminal is glitched

Every time I type/delete something it just resets what I type

How do I fix that…

Nvm I fixed it

[soft crater]

4 bios ngl

[lone mortar]

You give terrible advice so ill listen

[timid grove]

did they change the cfoam glob to door ratio from 9 to 10?

[fathom ice]

it's still 9

[silent delta]

you wont get the visual effect with 9 unless you stack them all on top of each other

[timid grove]

ah ok

Where dose the heavy assault rifle shine again?

[prime musk]

nowhere

[tardy ingot]

you dont need to do all on one

3x3 is way easier to setup and doesnt get eaten through the door as easily

[timid grove]

No no no if the auto pistol has a place so must this

[digital mural]

Nowhere sadly

[timid grove]

Alright show me the numbers

[digital mural]

@tardy ingot has a good video about weapons

Watch it

[fallen kite]

HAR is just bad.

[digital mural]

Pretty much

[fallen kite]

Unless you’re perfectly hitting all your shots, it’s just bad.

[hardy grotto]

even then it’s just bad

[digital mural]

Low ammo
Insane recoil
Meh dmg for a special

[hardy grotto]

Why waste skill like that on the worst special in the game

[digital mural]

Short rifle?

[hardy grotto]

short rifle is better

[digital mural]

Damnnnn

SR finally getting some love

[native sun]

But consider the client double headshot, a very real and applicable facet of the weapon the Heavy Assault Rifle

[hardy grotto]

So true

hey maybe it’s consistent for you

You’re on like 300 ping at all times

[digital mural]

Ah yes
Because thats totally a thing the devs intended for you to do

[fallen kite]

Fine for most of the game ( watched heart felt solo hold R4E1 sec with it, so if it can feasibly hold that it is a gun that exists ) but bad compared to anything else

[native sun]

Ye, all I have to do is wait for the enemy attack animation so it is a feasible shot

Waiting for the enemy attack animation will not have any unforseen negative effects on 300 ping

[hardy grotto]

Surely

[hardy grotto]

You can probs hold that with literally any loadout tbh

[fallen kite]

-12

[fallen kite]

Sure but it shows the gun isnt like actual bottom feeder unusable F tier, since it was his gun of choice for the duo clear

Its playable

[hardy grotto]

his guns of choice were never optional anyway ngl

Optimal*

[fallen kite]

Thats very true

[native sun]

heart-felt is very very good with HAR, but it is also true that with that loudout for that hold HAR is really just being used as middling eco in controlled moments and Sawed Off kinda just carries whenever it gets scary

[minor fractal]

Usable guns can earn the F-tier, tbh

The only gun that I think deserves a special tier for being really bad is AR

[fallen kite]

forgot it exists

[native sun]

Tom solo held R4E1 reactor with Arbalist

[hardy grotto]

was that run meant to be a speedrun

[minor fractal]

AR is just especially underwhelming, even next to other very bad guns which are each better than it by some margin

[hardy grotto]

Idr

[fallen kite]

I agree yeah

[ocean lance]

no don't say that har is playable

pubs literally throw their runs by playing har because that player chugs ammo

it's not cool

[digital mural]

I use HAR for R7E1

[minor fractal]

I still think this is why SR carries, btw

[ocean lance]

it can literally cripple a team alone it's not even funny

[minor fractal]

Even if your pub is bad and shoots too much, SR is designed to prevent them from spending ammo.

[ocean lance]

yeah i've never had a SR player that wastes ammo

they either don't use it or the player using it has a lot of hours and is just having fun

[fallen kite]

Its playable 😴

[ocean lance]

you're playable

[digital mural]

Hot

Just Kiss already

[fallen kite]

I’m gonna overcook your pasta so bad it comes rubber

[minor fractal]

If you are good enough to abuse the RoF, you are just de-facto making the run easier for the team by being good at the game in general.

[ocean lance]

dude

stfu

i lovemy pasta

[fallen kite]

Thats what I thought

Luigi

[ocean lance]

alright go fuck yourself

jk

ily

[fallen kite]

Almost had me there

[hardy grotto]

Ray I do really wanna try cell skip duo with SR sometime

and see how it compares

[ocean lance]

get tru to do e2 duo again i want to see it :(

[minor fractal]

It'd be funny

[fallen kite]

2nd class 6 is 👎 this level duo is a scam

[ocean lance]

so it's a skill issue

and you're just bad

jk

again

[hardy grotto]

u mean hani right

[ocean lance]

i meant hani yeah sory

[hardy grotto]

last time me and tru did a reactor it didn’t go well

[ocean lance]

you speedrunners are all cute and samey

[fallen kite]

No dude the nightmares spawn on the door like a jehovah witness its not a skill issue when the nightmare wave scream happens at the same time they enter the room

On the bad scan

😔😔😔

[ocean lance]

well

okay fair

w/e i've become a solo player

i don't duo anymore

long kite forever

[fallen kite]

Ok loser

[ocean lance]

get on my level

[fallen kite]

OMG I SPENT 6 HOURS LONG KITING FOR THIS CLEAR GUYS

[ocean lance]

LMAOO

me when r4d2 pe solo

[fallen kite]

RUNNING IN BIG CIRCLES

HOW COOL HOW SKILL

[ocean lance]

hello giant cap?

[silent delta]

i long kite that means its skill

sorry, i dont make the rules

i just follow them

😎

[fallen kite]

compared to actually playing the level

Its a joke

To long kite for a solo clear

[ocean lance]

^é

any long kite solo is not a solo

[silent delta]

it should be a last resort not the default strategy

[ocean lance]

fight me

[silent delta]

especially since i am so god damn bad at it lmao

[hardy grotto]

becoming a solo player might be the worst timeline for any gtfo player

[silent delta]

do r2e1 solo without it

[fathom ice]

go long is ur last resort ngl

[digital mural]

omg dreadnaughty

[silent delta]

i was helping some of my irls clear r2e1 and they all three went down on the first surge during the error and i had to kite all the way back to baby room to save it

[silent delta]

hi pable

[ocean lance]

becoming a solo player is part of my journey to uninstall gtfo

[fallen kite]

The default strat for R5C2 ovl is giant cap and kite

[ocean lance]

then i'll truly be free

[fathom ice]

u can shoot it

jade did it

[silent delta]

the end goal of playing any game is to not have to play the game anymore 💯

[ocean lance]

shoot my ass

[silent delta]

i need to make a mod that plays gtfo for me

[fallen kite]

u can but nobody really does

[ocean lance]

rn

[digital mural]

theres one already

[fallen kite]

The clear screen is the same

[fathom ice]

no one solos that level

[fallen kite]

Why would anybody gaf

[silent delta]

GTFAuto

[digital mural]

its called Better bots (with aimbot)

[fathom ice]

who cares

[ocean lance]

nickle does

[silent delta]

beat r1a1 by long kiting

[hardy grotto]

I just think duo is way more interesting tbh

[fallen kite]

your osu rank

[ocean lance]

LMAO

[ocean lance]

it is

[fallen kite]

The more time you spent long kiting on gtfo

[silent delta]

DAMN

[fallen kite]

The less time you spend grinding pp

[ocean lance]

nickle you can't even stream 300

[fathom ice]

true

[ocean lance]

stfu

[fallen kite]

I can burst 300 its good enough

[silent delta]

things heating up in the osu community

[ocean lance]

why do you even go to the gym

if you have no stamina

losr

loser*

[digital mural]

losr

[silent delta]

losr

[fallen kite]

Yeah let me just do 100 reps of finger curls

[fathom ice]

when e2 duo

[fallen kite]

With the 1kg dumbell

[ocean lance]

LMAO

[ocean lance]

bruh me and nickle haven't even finished r4e1 duo wtf

[silent delta]

i think we call that "masturbation"

[fallen kite]

Mental diff

[fathom ice]

r4e1 is literally free

[ocean lance]

yeah i mean

[fallen kite]

I dont wanna play that shit anymore

[ocean lance]

skill issue i guess low mental

tbf i'm same fuck that level duo i cba

[fathom ice]

hardest part is beginning prolly

[ocean lance]

hardest part is that we tried it too much when we sucked

[silent delta]

hardest part is teammate who insists on running veruta

[fallen kite]

Sky when he clears literally anything:

[ocean lance]

LOL

[fathom ice]

i mean

[silent delta]

solo no glitches right now

🔫

[fathom ice]

ig

[sturdy glen]

nah beginning is not the hardest part of that level

[ocean lance]

aren't you trying to do bc e2

[hardy grotto]

it is for you chill

[fathom ice]

not really

[hardy grotto]

Cause you remember how much you hate the level

[sturdy glen]

that is true

[ocean lance]

lmao

[fathom ice]

i mean code 6 is a bit spicy

[sturdy glen]

but thats also only the speed

[ocean lance]

you're spicy

[hardy grotto]

As someone who has done that level duo probably more times than anyone else I think it’s pretty free guys idk idk

I think ur all just p*bs

[ocean lance]

that's it

you're going to hl

hell

[fathom ice]

i'm a pub

[ocean lance]

don't say it like that

[fallen kite]

You’ve spent more time in R4E1 than i’ve spent in GTFO tbh

[hardy grotto]

Unfortunately yeah

[ocean lance]

^

hard truth

like very hard truth

[fallen kite]

I still havent hit 1k

[ocean lance]

i've seen last run you guys did

sad not one cycle

[hardy grotto]

we’ll get it

[ocean lance]

i can't believe you didn't hear club

i heard it tbh

[hardy grotto]

I didn’t

And people spelling out the word doesn’t help

[ocean lance]

okay no i heard it the second time

[hardy grotto]

LOL

[ocean lance]

i lied

LOL

fair

[fallen kite]

Do you guys not type it in chat or is that

Too slow

[ocean lance]

it was like

a 2 second window

didn't have time to look

[hardy grotto]

It’s way too slow yeah

If it was close term that works

But it was far

[timid grove]

I ask one question and now we're 200 messages later

[digital mural]

TLDR: HAR is bad

[fathom ice]

HAR is bad

[fallen kite]

HAR sucks

[fathom ice]

lmao

[ocean lance]

HAR is awesome

that's it

[digital mural]

Lakana

no

[ocean lance]

i'm starting to spread misinfo i'm sick of this shit

[fallen kite]

he was paid to say this

by Calle

[digital mural]

if Calle says it then its true

🙏

[timid grove]

How are there guns that haven't been tweaked to match up with others like the HAR after being in the game for so long

[fathom ice]

ask devs

[digital mural]

Because devs don't know shit about game balancing

[timid grove]

All they gotta do is change 1 or 2 numbers

[digital mural]

"lets nerf a good gun and make it horrible
And yeah lets make the strongest gun in the game even stronger"

This gun is bad? Make it worse

[timid grove]

Also how long ago was the last balance change?

[digital mural]

Like a year ago

[timid grove]

Was there a scattergun buff in it?

[fathom ice]

yeah

[timid grove]

So has nothing changed since I've been gone

[fathom ice]

game is done

so no

[timid grove]

Alright welp let's hope den of wolves has some better gun balanceing

[minor fractal]

Game balance is non-obvious

and if you go by pickrate, the autos appear to be really good

[prime musk]

pick rate has a lot more to do with naming than feel i think
"sniper" and "machine gun" are guns everyone recognises
on the contrary, none of the top 4 specials name's are really recognisable except maybe scattergun

[timid grove]

what autos

[minor fractal]

Auto-fire non-shotguns

All of them

[timid grove]

autopistol?

HAR?

[minor fractal]

What are you asking?

and/or taking issue w/

[timid grove]

you said ALL full autos not shotguns

i wanna know who other than me are picking these

are we talkin just the machine guns or is it everything but those 2

[digital mural]

every auto except Helpp, Hel shotgun, precision rifle, combat shotgun, machineguns are absolute trash

[minor fractal]

Average player

is really bad

Do you pub often?

[timid grove]

tf is pub

[digital mural]

Public lobbies

LFGs basically

[minor fractal]

But I've had people take MGs into R8 B-side levels

Like, as late as possible into the game

in levels that are extremely punishing for off-meta weapons.

[tiny wyvern]

R8D2 for instance

I imagine that level isn't very good for off-meta

Mainly due to the ending

[orchid solstice]

the ending honestly was not as bad as doing the class 9

[neat thorn]

Any tips on doing R2A1 with bots? I have two hel sentries and a burst on the bots and I've tried 8 or 9 times but nothin works

[urban oriole]

what do you struggle at? also hel sentries do very little damage for their ammo cost

or ig tool

[prime musk]

one of each tool, burst sentry. before every alarm have every door mined and cfoamed

place burst sentry reasonably and it should go fine

[neat thorn]

I'm struggling to remember whether it's R2A1 or R3A1 but the main objective was to just get to the exit, but I can't make ot past the first security 7 alarm

[prime musk]

that's r2b1

[tiny wyvern]

lol

[neat thorn]

Ah I see, but yes that one

I can easily get to the security door, but can never survive it

[tiny wyvern]

Are you taking too long to get to the scans?

Since you're playing with two bots, if you just focus on shooting bots won't do scans for you

[prime musk]

running out of ammo/tool in sentries or getting overwhelmed

?

[tiny wyvern]

They'll just shoot alongside, wasting ammo and often resources as you get hit below 80% health

[neat thorn]

Ah I see

I'm usually able to get 5 or 6 of the scans done before I get completely overrun and killed

[tiny wyvern]

Did you mine/foam doors?

or open too many zones?

[neat thorn]

I used foam

[tiny wyvern]

You're not supposed to open all the blood doors

[neat thorn]

I leave one of them closed

[prime musk]

honestly since it's r2b1 dropping the bio for 2 turrets + mine + cfoam might be worth

[neat thorn]

I go grab the keyboard and immediately go back

Keycard*

[tiny wyvern]

Ok then everything should be aight
Sentries on ladder or on the blood door depending on side

Cfoam mine central door/ side doors as you would like

And just use decent crowd clear weaponry to go through it

Usually it works out

[prime musk]

^ that but one sentry towards central door

[tiny wyvern]

ye

If you're running out of resources early or need more to be safe do optional

It gives enough to consider using it

[neat thorn]

Which weapons would you guys recommend? I usually run the bullpup and revolver for big guys

[prime musk]

sawed off shotgun + revolver is a very solid combo

[tiny wyvern]

is rev even considered giant clear

[prime musk]

no

revo is like the least giant cleary special

[tiny wyvern]

Bullpup just has good ergonomics and less than ideal statistics

Sawed off is busted for giant clear and small clear if you understand fall off ranges

For instance, in this game, giant clear are usually specials, but on main slot sawed off can technically giant clear
Specials like burst cannon, scatter, normal shotgun are what's usually giant clear

Sniper too, but that thing has economy issues unless you know when to offload and with good aim

MGs are bad statistically but it can work for earlier levels

Just try not to give up and if things get too rough lfg

For others to help you
Usually they know what they're doing

Usually

[heady ridge]

Shellings are perfect don't let anyone tell you otherwise

[tiny wyvern]

You mean high cal or burst pistol/pistol?

[heady ridge]

Yes

[tiny wyvern]

I mean I use them frequently and they're nice

You'll need to learn falloff though, else you do have weird things happen

[neat thorn]

Which weapons are just bad for primarys?

Like for beginners

[heady ridge]

Hel revolver

[tiny wyvern]

Slug shotgun

Hel rev is fine enough

You don't ALWAYS need the pen

[heady ridge]

I wouldn't give it to a beginners

[prime musk]

carbine

[tiny wyvern]

Carbine's fine

[orchid solstice]

dmr?

[tiny wyvern]

As long as you don't spam it at range

DMR is a support rifle

[heady ridge]

Double tap?

[tiny wyvern]

Double arguably does better

You usually can just have a beginner use it on R1C1 and they'll do pretty well

Assault rifle sucks though
Don't use it

If you have to use burst rifle

[heady ridge]

Rifle?

[neat thorn]

I figured that one out the hard way

[tiny wyvern]

Aside from that most weapons in this game (Even the autos) can work
Just need to learn it a little

[orchid solstice]

burst rifle also has the same flashlight as hel rifle/sniper so why would you ever trade that for being auto

[tiny wyvern]

I used to run slug/choke as a meme

It worked cause I melted giants
And crowds melted me

[heady ridge]

I run double shelling despite people recommending not

[tiny wyvern]

Do people really think it's THAT bad?

[orchid solstice]

I don't hical feels like 🤢

[heady ridge]

No just outclassed

[tiny wyvern]

I mean hel weapons, sawed off and scatter is just insane

To the point it'd outclass EVERYTHING

[orchid solstice]

it's honestly wild seeing sawed off go from what was the worst weapon to literally one of the best in slot options

[tiny wyvern]

It still breaks the laws of physics

[heady ridge]

For shelling pistol you got to double tap the head so most would rather only have to hit once to the head

[neat thorn]

I never chose it because it seemed more of a joke weapon

[tiny wyvern]

Oh it's nice

You four-shot a giant up close

[orchid solstice]

or 2 if you go for backshots

[tiny wyvern]

You one shot almost every single sleeper in the game

[neat thorn]

Ayo?

[tiny wyvern]

The only thing it's bad at is squid games

[heady ridge]

The whole back is a weak spot

[tiny wyvern]

Back multi is x2

Right I forgot you were new so I should probably explain this

Hitting things from the back gives a x2 damage bonus except for bosses

But it scales with the angle

So you have to be physically behind the enemy at a 90 degree angle (I.e. directly behind him) to do x2

The calculations for this is cancer but wiki has more

is it on [[back multiplier]]

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Back_multiplier?action=edit&redlink=1

[tiny wyvern]

God damn it its [[Back Multiplier]]

[gray rapids]

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Back_Multiplier

[tiny wyvern]

I love capitalization

[heady ridge]

Also the back of the skull does even more than a normal headshot

[tiny wyvern]

yeah we call that the occi

hope this help
(most likely you won't remember half of this)

[heady ridge]

Try killing a giant in a melee fight

[neat thorn]

I tried, i was the one who ended up getting backshots

[tardy ingot]

??

pistol and high cal are both completely fine lol

Nobody would rly recommend against it unless they are plebs who think „oh pistol = bad for lots of killing“

its a decent and a good gun

(Burst pistil on the other hand…)

Also stop saying double shelling wtf

[tiny wyvern]

The age old 'you can five burst a charger' burst pistol

[urban oriole]

i have yet to see burst pistol be worse than the other pistol

[tiny wyvern]

Depends on what you're shooting at I guess

If you're shooting at a tank pistol does better

(Can't imagine why I'd know that)

[urban oriole]

thats the neat part, i wont

i'd use a special for that

instead i like careful headshots on smol sleepers for stagger

[tiny wyvern]

Unless you decided to bring sniper

And emptied the entire thing into a giant cause you missed the head

(Don't know how that happened... definitely bcs I can't aim...)

[tardy ingot]

No
Pistol just performs better usually lol

[tardy ingot]

Imagine

Pistol staggers on any shot

[grizzled patrol]

Imagine running Hel PP

[urban oriole]

careful shots with nice damage on the head*
is this better
not like it changes my point that the differenece between the 2 pistols with this use is unnoticable or tiny

[ocean spindle]

i always saw burst piss as just literally pistol 2

and by all the times i used it my perspective hasn't changed

burst piss only spams slower

[urban oriole]

it is an alternative option; a sidegrwde

[tardy ingot]

harder to get value out of

[grizzled patrol]

Ngl would be cooler If it was a akimbo

[tardy ingot]

Worse ttk

its a downgrade

its like saying AR is a side grade to burst rifle

[ocean spindle]

that's really- not?

[tardy ingot]

hm?

thats the point

ar is a downgrade lol

[ocean spindle]

it's comparing like bullpup vs ar more like

[tardy ingot]

no

[ocean spindle]

not just incredibly slept on gun vs straight up garbage

[tardy ingot]

pistol is actually decent

Burst pistol isnt

Burst rifle is actually decent
AR isnt

tho AR is worse than burst pistol ngl

[ocean spindle]

burst pistol gets a lot of flame when there's like still 2 3 worst autos- but i never thought it did that badly
i think its just slower

than pistol

[urban oriole]

here is the thing
pistols were never excelling at anything, so you'd use them on easier levels where you wouldnt get much use out of the "better" option when compared to the other

[ocean spindle]

i mean that sort of goes for every gun that isn't top 5

[tardy ingot]

Its slower
Thats the point

Your kill speed is awful

[tardy ingot]

Pistol was a top 2 main in r5

[ocean spindle]

that was a long time ago

[tardy ingot]

Yea cuz after hel revo came back

And hel revo isnt rly „balanced“

Also comparing burst pistol vs autos

Pistol vs autos is a slander of pistol

Not for burst pistol tho

[urban oriole]

as if i have high kill speed to begin with, i never did in my experience

[tardy ingot]

O.o?

[ocean spindle]

autos vs X is a slander against every gun that is not another auto

[tardy ingot]

pistol shoots way, way faster and kills cleanly in 3 shots

[tardy ingot]

not rly tbh

hel auto pistol obviously exists

smg/heavy smg (and if we count utility, pdw. Hell even machine pistol (if in range) are pretty much a minimal upgrade over smth like burst pistol

[urban oriole]

i still stand by my point of "this is worse than that" mf they're both pistols i couldnt care less

[ocean spindle]

oh i meant more so the worse autos but ngl i forgot hel piss existed for a second

fair

[tardy ingot]

slug shotgun and sawed off are both shotguns, couldnt care less

??

rifle and pistol are more similar than pistol and burst pistol

people gotta overlook what a gun looks like sometimes ngl

Its like beginners thinking prec rifle and hel rifle are snipers

[urban oriole]

okay i am talking about the 2 pistols here, whether one is better than the other

r u happy

not talking about any other gun

[tardy ingot]

and 1 is definetly better than the other

that was kinda the point

[urban oriole]

still why would i bother choosing which one is better over preference because at this point you sound like i have to take the better option

[tardy ingot]

.

you can use whatever you like, whatever you prefer

[frail heart]

im making a mod that gets rid of burst pistol

[urban oriole]

i mean i like slug shotgun, no one would care about my opinions

[tardy ingot]

beginners love bullpup and they can gladly play it

But when they call it better than X insane weapon its just wrong

tho tbf, i do recommend them to try other guns. Since this game does become harder/easier depending on loadout

[grizzled patrol]

Imho its more about how the gun feels. Normal pistol feels good, but burst pistol feels terrible. Already Limited range gets gutted because of burst Offset. If you feel Like punishing yourself, Go ahead

[tardy ingot]

having slower firerate (tho only minimally) on top of a 0.2 sec burst delay is ROUGH

[urban oriole]

i wanted to say that i dont shoot the pistols a lot for the fire rate to be a problem i run into often

thats reall it, bc otherwise i understand why it feels bad to use

[grizzled patrol]

Imho the best way to fix burst pistol is to make it a burst 3

And make it more accurate

[safe cradle]

Once I was also thinking about how to make it better and realized I'd just make it like Carbine

[grizzled patrol]

Isnt the entire reason why burst Mode irl even exists is to fire multiple precise shots before recoil Kicks in?

[urban oriole]

or turn it into graviton lance from destiny

2 burst that recoils on the 2nd shot to have 2 fully acurate shots

or just reduce the recoil pmao

[grizzled sandal]

nah, that was the idea behind some very specific guns

[soft crater]

3 shot burst pistol would be a weird slower carbine.

[grizzled sandal]

generally it's to limit ammo usage i think

[soft crater]

4 shot Carbine 9.52 vs *3 shot burst pistol 9.6

Accuracy/control/ammo conservation

Then again semi exists

[grizzled sandal]

3 burst pistol would be a huge troll

cuz it's like 0.15 damage off one-bursting a striker with 2 head 1 body

might be worth on client, but why not take burst rifle then

[tiny wyvern]

If you make burst pistol 3 burst it now becomes sad against chargers

As you wil ALWAYS waste two bullets of a burst to kill one

Then again for everything else, it improves much better

I just hoped the burst happens quicker

[grizzled sandal]

give it 7 burst and burst cancel

much balance, very fixed

[grizzled patrol]

Just make it burst all 28 shots. Turn it into a buckshot pistol

[grizzled sandal]

blunderbisstol

[digital mural]

bust pustol

[safe cradle]

Not to nitpick, but I think sometimes people go way too far with this logic

Since usually (not referring to you in particular) people test weapons in a vacuum of solo against an enemy

but realistically the charger in your example is gonna get hit by someone else at least once

even a turret would suffice

[tiny wyvern]

Yeah I understand

I mean I use machine pis

[safe cradle]

I mean I get the idea for stuff like Burst Cannon or supposedly heavy hitters, they're supposed to want to onetap stuff or go close

But for a main that has a decent mag and decent RoF I think it's okay to have damage that isn't divided perfectly for an enemy hp

[heady ridge]

I am calling it double shelling even more now lol

[tiny wyvern]

I mean that's just going to confuse people about which pistol you're talking about

[heady ridge]

: )

[digital mural]

Just like the drekker

[flat oar]

malatack

[ocean spindle]

treffen

[grizzled patrol]

Golok

[odd pasture]

tumorback

maybe even spikers

preferably feelers

[hard nexus]

???

i tried burst pistol it felt fine

nothing memorable

[minor fractal]

Burst pistol needs higher RoF and a 1+2 breakpoint

and it's fine

[frail heart]

i hate it

[grizzled patrol]

Now Tell me that short rifle stagger Potential is amazing

[past mesa]

Short Rilfe stagger is perfect

[frail heart]

the bbc in my face says otherwise

[hardy grotto]

better start clicking fast

[past mesa]

I freeze up the second I see BBC

[hardy grotto]

makes sense

[frail heart]

average

[past mesa]

Guys the adds about the singles in my area are gone

This is so sad

[hardy grotto]

I guess they all found someone

Good for them

[crystal blaze]

Too much BBC in your face, the singles were jealous

[timid grove]

what command turns out the lights?

[ocean spindle]

light_testing.exe i think

[timid grove]

it dosent work

[civic wave]

Did you put START at the start

its like making someone cook dinner, you gotta give them the command/task as well as their name

[timid grove]

now it worked

[fathom ore]

if you are in an overdrive area/mission and started it can you invite a friend who disconected back?

[crystal blaze]

Yes

[rapid warren]

how do u identify room dividers

like rn, im just playing a rundown multiple times to figure it out

and memorizing that

🥴

[past mesa]

Look at the walls

Is the room called The same letter everywhere

if it is call A and B

Then

There exists a room divider

[rapid warren]

nah like in r1b1 yk

at spawn

where u get dropped vs the forward room has a divider

like ik doors are gonna be room dividers

[past mesa]

But it works the same

[ocean spindle]

uhh starting rooms are always a divider

[rapid warren]

hmm what about r1d1

[ocean spindle]

where u spawn will always be a divider i believe

[rapid warren]

like after the first blue door

[past mesa]

Looks at the walls

One room will be A

One room will be B

You can also check on the map

[ocean spindle]

first zone is three rooms divided, second zone is two rooms divided

u can sort of tell by they way the connect eachother

[past mesa]

it will tell you the letter of the room as well on the map

[ocean spindle]

like for example r1d1 bridge is the same from r1c1

[rapid warren]

oh

[past mesa]

There is zero chance

[rapid warren]

yea i was doing that, but sometimes i feel like they arent obvious

LOL

so yea i just went around memorizing

[past mesa]

LOOK at THE WALL

And the map

[ocean spindle]

usually its by arcs or yeah the wall

[rapid warren]

im not talking about the rooms itself

[ocean spindle]

we get it

yes wall

wall

ok

[rapid warren]

ik the walls

[past mesa]

But they are the room dividers

You can determine from that

wtf

Slendo told you to memorize it

[rapid warren]

lmao chill y u so piped

[ocean spindle]

i mean not memorize u can sort of tell by how rooms are

[past mesa]

I am just gonna off myself ngl

[ocean spindle]

listen ik walls but u can also just maybe infere its a divider and tHEN u can verify it by looking at wall

otherwise u wont even notice

as like 99% people do

[rapid warren]

yea like the bridge room in r1c1

[tardy ingot]

@past mesa pls dont get an aneurism

[hard nexus]

idk, short rifle feels bad

but burst pistol doesnt. you are tweaking

u know whose stagger is amazing

combat shotgun

[trim sorrel]

I’ve been contemplating changing my loadout— does anyone here like the hel rifle? It looks pretty cool but I’m struggling to see why I would use it over other special weapons

[digital mural]

Hel rifle is one of the best specials

High damage and pen

And basically everyone likes it

It can be used to kill smalls, bigs and bosses

It's an all in one

[trim sorrel]

It’s moreso trying to figure out why the high damage is worthwhile when dealing with small enemies

[digital mural]

If you want to deal with smalls use a shotgun

[trim sorrel]

And my squad has a dedicated scattergun fan that cleans up giants for us pretty reliably

[digital mural]

Well
Hel rifle can one shot smalls, so if You managed to hit multiple with one shot its pretty good

Same with big ones

[trim sorrel]

But of course, I’m still in the second rundown so maybe enemies that show up later make hel rifle more valuable

Noted, noted

[digital mural]

To get the best value out of any hel weapon you need to constantly look for pen

Then youll be able to hold entire waves by yourself

[trim sorrel]

Makes sense

Would you say the hel rifle is better than the hel gun? Or is it a situation/preference thing

[digital mural]

more of a situation thing

Hel gun is good but it falls a bit compared to hel rifle against big enemies/bosses

[trim sorrel]

So if I don’t find myself having to contend with too many of those (aforementioned scattergun enjoyer) I should stick with the hel gun unless a level has a much higher amount of big enemies than I’m used to

[ocean spindle]

well, 30 dmg guns are mosre so just general use, both bigs and smalls

that including the hel rifle

[digital mural]

Yup

[ocean spindle]

but tbh hel gun and hel rifle are two very top choices so

[trim sorrel]

I guess it is some nice assurance that you don’t need a headshot to kill like with hel gun or my current fav (revolver)

[ocean spindle]

its just sorta depends on ur taste as both handle with both big and smalls pretty nicely

[trim sorrel]

It’s going to be hard to dethrone revolver just because I’ve become so used to it lol

Ok, sounds good

[digital mural]

Try a shotgun

Youll love them

[trim sorrel]

On primary, to use alongside a hel secondary?

I’ve done some time on hel shotgun primary and it wasn’t totally my thing (despite being good) but I haven’t tried the slug or sawedoff yet

[ocean spindle]

sawed offs pretty nice

slug is slightly more eh

well not- slightly but

still

omg my interrnet died :D

[trim sorrel]

Do you ever have ammo problems when using just low fire-rate high firepower weapons like sawed off and hel rifle? That’s my only worry, that it’d be harder to ration ammo effectively

[ocean spindle]

if ur not having issues now, u probs wont have issues with any weapon really unless like sniper and scattergun

[trim sorrel]

Sounds good

[ocean spindle]

u can always give it a shot and jst see if u like it in general, if not u can always go by rotating to try out new guns and see what u stick to :3

always nice to try out everything and see what u end up likin

even if its not the very top of the list

[trim sorrel]

True true

Is there some kind of list that people reference for weapon stats/pros&cons/preferences etc? Or just an expression

Because seeing something like that could be nice

Oh wow wait hel rifle pierces five enemies that’s crazier than I thought

I figured it was like 2 tops

[ocean spindle]

uhh d4rkeva has a couple videos on his channel talking about weapons and specials- just be a little wary cuz they might have spoils about some enemies
apart from that u could probs search up tierlists on #gtfo-media and get a lot of povs

[ocean spindle]

funny gun goes :3

[trim sorrel]

Awesome ty

[hard nexus]

because its cracked

[trim sorrel]

I’d read that part before— I was looking for a hel rifle enthusiast to elaborate on why they think it’s cracked because it wasn’t immediately obvious to me

And they did! (Thank you)

[minor fractal]

Low fire-rate weapons like the sawed-off

[ocean spindle]

damn i completely blanked that out

[sinful gale]

Out of all melee weapons, which one would be best for nailing bigger/tougher enemies in GTFO? (Only ran through all of R1 and R2A1, finding the sledgehammer to be my favorite for this)

[prime musk]

sledgehammer is the best without doubt. it has the best breakpoints.

[knotty relic]

I think spear technically has more precision damage, right? It's kinda not worth though. Just too slow and its hit box is tiny.

Right?

[prime musk]

if you're talking vs mom/tank spear is better i guess but it's not ever useful except for memes

[prime musk]

yeah but it doesn't matter because no breakpoints change except for the worse (except against bosses)

[knotty relic]

Oh gotcha

[sinful gale]

Yeah I felt spear wasn't being as powerful for me. Especially after watching a speedrunner go brrrr with a sledge.

[errant dome]

its not slower than hammer, hitbox isnt really an issue either, biggest detriment for big enemies is low base dmg making it not really hit any meaningful thresholds that hammer doesnt

[knotty relic]

Charge up isn't slower on spear?

[errant dome]

both are 1.8s

[grizzled patrol]

That precision damage Matters only If you Gang Up with another sledge Player, since spear Deals 80 and sledge can Finish Off with 40

[errant dome]

78.75

[prime musk]

^

[errant dome]

left with 1 hp xd

[prime musk]

3rd hit still needed

[sinful gale]

Huh alright

[errant dome]

if it was actually 80 it would help a decent amount

[tardy ingot]

Spear has easier breakpoints on hybrids/chickens

but thats it rly

[grizzled patrol]

Oh right, for some reason i misremembered that it Deals Like 27 damage

Although it Could be modded

[errant dome]

probably

[prime musk]

is there any tile that can have doors towards 5 or more different rooms

nvm first room r4c3 has doors towards 4 rooms + spawn

[floral acorn]

inherently all full tiles are max 4 way. there are a few geos that have a bunch of weakdoors and maybe a border plug, counting up to 5 or more.. but not many.

[prime musk]

presumably no tile has 5 security doors in it

[floral acorn]

full customgeos can only go north south east west ye, inherent structure of levelgen

geos with areas can interlink a bunch of ways

and any weakdoor "portal" can turn into a secdoor if one makes it so

[prime musk]

i see ty

[floral acorn]

one can ofc have a zone that spans multiple tiles with nogate plugs between them and from those tiles, spawn secdoors multiple ways, technically it's one open space with maaany secdoors accessible .. r1b2 was it? the shooter level?

[grizzled patrol]

Never thought about it, but do the Ceiling Doors in R8A1 even Count as Doors?

[floral acorn]

i believe they're just static props, not actual lg_securitydoors

[grizzled patrol]

Bummer

[floral acorn]

seconded, would be cool if they could be somehow messed with.. aaaalltho, opening one of those doors would just reveal Void behind..

a custom expedition where players split and the other half flips upside down and does stuff on the ceiling, that would be damn awesome

[grizzled patrol]

Would be cool as a Spawn area for flyers

[floral acorn]

u could throw a cf gren directly up and it would land on the floor the other team .. jeez that would rule

[grizzled patrol]

Maybe Like blood Doors for flyers

[tardy ingot]

ayo everyone
you got some funny questions (trivia) that the devs would need to answer?

examples would be: "Which enemy has the nickname "pablo"" or "which sentry does the community think is the worst"

[urban oriole]

"can your computers run the game at a good framerate"

[grizzled patrol]

"What does C in C-foam stand for"

[digital mural]

Which environment is the worst optimized?

🙏

Im actually curious to see what they think

[tiny wyvern]

Would lore questions be acceptable?

[civic wave]

which animal was banned from the gtfo discord the most times? (Badger)

[minor fractal]

I want a dev balance tier list, that would be so funny to see

[civic wave]

i think that's a very funny question

[tardy ingot]

wasnt actually badger

[civic wave]

no way

how is it not

[daring narwhal]

Which apparels do the devs / the players use the most ?

[tardy ingot]

how would I even know that

its me asking them questions quizshow like

they get points if they answer correctly

[tardy ingot]

agree
but devs also dont rly play enough (and not the context for this rly)

[daring narwhal]

Oh. Fair point.

[tardy ingot]

badger is in the 30-40s

the highest is in the multiple hundreds

[civic wave]

with an animal name?

[tardy ingot]

oh i didnt see that part

but thats weirdly specific anyway

[civic wave]

shame

[daring narwhal]

How many masks with the main characters' name in it does the game have ?

[frail heart]

goat you could take the title

[civic wave]

i don't think i'll ever be banned tbh

[frail heart]

ive been timed out thats abou tit

[safe cradle]

Which sleeper is more likely to kill you if you put it in a defense, highly lethal situation where force is authorized, and won't even get to court?

[civic wave]

i have been told to drop whatever/stop talking but never timed out

[frail heart]

i was being a stubborn idiot towards beth

i now realise i was stupid

[civic wave]

banger sentence

wrong homophone

wait no

it is pronounced differently

is it really a homophone

[frail heart]

now im stupid

[civic wave]

so am i

[safe cradle]

now kiss

[civic wave]

i'll consider it if he sub 9s r8a1

[safe cradle]

9 seconds?

damn that's fast

[frail heart]

sorry im taken 🙏

[civic wave]

so am i?

yeah whatever dude i have a girlfriend too you're not special

[safe cradle]

hi taken

I'm Sleepo, how are you?

[frail heart]

horrible

[safe cradle]

that's not nice to hear

[tardy ingot]

yes

[shy hull]

What are scouts? (Friends)

[past mesa]

What causes shooter projectiles to not hit the player

Eva actually a good one

Is match the e tier speedrun times to the level

[frail heart]

wait so true

[past mesa]

What sentry has back damage

How many mines do the first 3 tool packs give

what level can get you the most achievements at once upon completion(some pe d tier with shotguns with a class 5 no door breaks with a pmom or tank or mom) and a giant

R7d2????

but it doesn’t have the class alarm

[frail heart]

4

oh

[past mesa]

Na

The order

[frail heart]

oh

[past mesa]

1 2 1

[frail heart]

1 2 1

[past mesa]

Thermals help you to see but what object do they remove from your vision

[frail heart]

women

[past mesa]

Which slots in the lobby can see the snatcher box every drop

[minor fractal]

What level has the most enemy types used?

That's a good trivia

[prime musk]

is it isn't it just r8e2

[past mesa]

R7d2

Could also be close

But it is r8e2

[frail heart]

hardest level with no bbcs smh

[ocean spindle]

R5D1 plus alarm door plus easy no door breaks on main teehee

plus snatcher, mom, tank, pmom,

uhh shotguns only

giant, scouts

[molten cipher]

Recommendations for load outs for r2e1?

[frail heart]

hel shotty combat shotty

[tiny wyvern]

One of each tool if you're absolutely new

[tiny wyvern]

Wouldn't scatter be better if you're using hel shotty

[frail heart]

eh

[tiny wyvern]

Well if you suck against shadows bring something with thermals

There's a lot of fog so shotguns/ close range stuff is preferred

That's about it for loadaouts

[safe cradle]

One HEL Autopistol really helps making the surges easier, provided who has it knows that maximizing the stagger is the correct way of using it.

Otherwise I'd say HEL Shotty, CS, HEL Rifle, HEL Gun in the hands of someone good at aiming, stuff like that works very well.

I'd say PDW offers a decent option but after the first phase it doesn't do much.

Really the main fault point of R2E1 is just the surge after the error.

BC probably offers enough firepower and range to deal with hybrids, if you REALLY hate HEL Rifle. But HEL Rifle is overall much better.

Tool-wise I'd say 2 sentries 1 bio 1 mine unless you want to ladder foam (you shouldn't, it's way too cheesy).

To be fair you could perhaps just give 0 shits about the blood doors and just do 3 sentries 1 bio and leave doors open.

[molten cipher]

any tips for shadow stealth? First time my group is dealing with shadow giants in this bigger quantity

just mainly the shadow chonkers thats the problem

[flat oar]

flashlight the ground. so you can control the distance of flashlight alert. use both eyes and ears. for shadow giants you can have someone use autopp stagger them while others go for melee

[wild flare]

You can also pick pdw or precision rifle with thermal scopes

[signal flume]

What's the error alarm on r6c2? The wiki says 3 hybrids every 90 seconds but I timed it and its more like 45 seconds

[tardy ingot]

it definetly is not 90 seconds thats for sure

[signal flume]

Ok good, we thought our perception of time was horrendous at first lmao

[wild flare]

Wiki is not 100% correct

[fathom ice]

ngl it feels like 30

[wild flare]

Also i am warning you before hand, timers for error on r6c3 is wrong too

[signal flume]

lmao yeah already found that one out

We like to check it once we've had some good attempts, and some of them have been very detailed, others not so much

[tiny wyvern]

I don't think anyone's going to go back and correct them anytime soon

[safe cradle]

IIRC it's something like 3 hybrids every 60 seconds or something along those lines

[wild flare]

Video guides usually give more actual info about timers

[safe cradle]

Divide 2 defend 2 "rush" ahead, dont get too far from each other and just have forward group shooting Scouts and clearing rooms.

If you try to stealthly do those rooms you'll be fucked

[wild flare]

This hybrid error on r6c2 was very annoying for me ngl

[signal flume]

Sadly hacket and dauda are not the most reliable teamates...

We got it done though, just ran a scattergun after we learnt about the alarm

[wild flare]

Duo with bots >>> solo with bots

You can order 1 bot to follow you and other bot follow another player

[signal flume]

That level solo with bots would have been so ass man, you'd just have to get infected at the end

I mean we did anyway, but thats besides the point

[wild flare]

Not even close to other lvls, if you want to solo it with bots like me

R6c3 >>>>> r6c2

[signal flume]

Makes sense, but with 2 people it's not bad

Tanks solo seem awful

[wild flare]

For sure

[next socket]

Does knife + IIX one shot charger scout in the back?

Or does it have to be hammer/spear?

[tardy ingot]

with iix to the back bat also works

Knife doesnt

5,5 x 1,7 x 2 x 3

[prime musk]

worth mentioning that with iix syringe and a full charge, the hammer does not require hitting the back

[tardy ingot]

hammer just takes basically all the dubs

[hearty kestrel]

What if i have a big knife?

[chrome topaz]

any general tips for preparing for alarms whilst having an error alarm active?
(im in R4A2, just did my first attempt at prisoner efficieny, just wondering if there's any overall tips for scenarios like that)

[frail heart]

dont focus on setup being perfect, just place sentries down and pull alarm

[tardy ingot]

^ r4a2 specifically

they generally will be super easy to funnel for the first

And for the second its just 1 entrance

Plop down 2-3 burst sentries and you can basically go nap

R4A2 error also spawn rly fast (15 seconds time inbetween waves), so theres gonna be errors where you get more leeway to clear and setup

[digital mural]

My overall strat for errors + alarm
Is to wait for the next wave to spawn, deal with wave, set up quickly and then pull the alarm

If You have doors close them and mine/foam them

[safe cradle]

With 3 bots? Just shoot the scouts, pull the rooms and remember the path. Remember to query HSU as soon as you can, and you can bring a cell from Main to the entrance of Extreme so you dont have to ping it inside.

[chrome topaz]

Yeah, i pinged it before going into the secondary, but forgot to bring the cell on my first try

[safe cradle]

Bringing the cell helps if you have 3 bots because they dont pick shit up since there's an error alarm going.

Granted you can just memorize cell spawn points but whatever.

[hard nexus]

r4a2 specifically doesnt matter, just send it

[scenic nova]

what's a HEL weapon?

[silent delta]

The weapons that are all labeled HEL. It means their bullets penetrate

Hel rifle pierces 6, hel gun pierces 4, all the others pierce 2

[scenic nova]

i see, good for suppressing fire right?

[fallen kite]

or for just killing the whole wave

[errant dome]

also note that despite hel rifle having a pen of "6" the max it can actually pen is 5

not that it really matters anyways since 6 enemies lining up almost never happens

[halcyon current]

They're based off ETC tech iirc, so there's a fun fact about em ig

[ocean lance]

idk 3 enemies and 3 teammates happens pretty often

[errant dome]

smh

not that i deny it tho xd

[scenic nova]

any general tips for soloing missions? going into my second attempt at r1a1 as i write this

[halcyon current]

What loadout are you running?

[tiny wyvern]

The most general tip is don't, unless you know the game reasonably well

[civic wave]

hm what is there

[halcyon current]

Ehhh, I think A levels aren't generally that awful to solo tbh if they wanna try

[civic wave]

feel free to take your time and go find all the resources

[halcyon current]

I did most solo

[tiny wyvern]

(wait are they bot soloing or full soloing)

[civic wave]

r1a1 is a bit brutal, the class 4 is quite difficult

[tiny wyvern]

(if it's a bot solo it's fine