gtfo-related-questions

[fathom ice]

why eva and frosty have logs in their names

[frail heart]

cause of my huge log

[digital mural]

Because they use logs

[past mesa]

We aren’t gonna answer your question you legit stopped a speed run to take a photo of a box with 3 yellow syringes

[digital mural]

Pic or didnt happen

[frail heart]

[fathom ice]

LMAO

there was no other way trust

[past mesa]

I didn’t even realize it was you

I thought Beth was flaming the other sky

[tardy ingot]

in our hearts it was the other sky

[fathom ice]

i mean

[past mesa]

I am just sad the photo hasn’t founds it way to media

[fathom ice]

a box with 3 syringes is like a present for Christmas

[fathom ice]

it's in my steam

somewhere

[digital mural]

Drug addict?

[fathom ice]

ig

[past mesa]

I think it is more like a drug enjoyer

[frail heart]

recreational user

[tardy drift]

are syringes worth?

[past mesa]

like I am a gambling enthusiast

[tardy ingot]

depends

[fathom ice]

nah idk today session wasn't it

[tardy ingot]

the health syringe can work like a med with a payoff

[past mesa]

They are better than holding nothing

[civic wave]

IN

[tardy drift]

well yea obv i mean over like any other consumable

[digital mural]

You never know when you need to destroy a Giant in a second

[tardy ingot]

the iix... its nice to have sometimes (c-scouts, sometimes for giants)

[tardy ingot]

more niche than glowsticks but can actually have a use

[fathom ice]

drugs are good conclusion

[digital mural]

No way Eva just called niche the best item in the game

[tardy ingot]

yea?
but like you can do secondary after overload

[past mesa]

My face when fog repellers are better glow sticks than glow sticks

[outer nova]

So how does the bio affect the sniper

[tardy ingot]

cuz the bulkhead key you get in the 2nd main zone is only for secondary

[outer nova]

Sent

[digital mural]

Shoots faster

[tardy ingot]

shoots/targets faster and uses 0.7x amount of ammo per shot

[past mesa]

^^ very strong

[tardy ingot]

hey hey, they are worse in like... 1 out of 1000 situations

[past mesa]

Like when

Oh when you need 12 glow sticks

[tardy ingot]

when you have limited foggies and want them for fog later but still gotta do stuff in the dark

[frail heart]

new years party

[tardy ingot]

and holding in some dark allyways with no bio for longer? i guess

oh and for sick screenshots

glowsticks > foggies

[tardy drift]

ez s-teir consumable

[tardy ingot]

unironically the only real advantage glowsticks have is that they do their effect faster

[past mesa]

Lock melters are the best consumable

[tardy ingot]

^

[frail heart]

no

[tardy ingot]

YES

[past mesa]

People don’t understand how good lock melters are

[frail heart]

mine is instant lock melter

[tardy ingot]

frosty when he mines the hacklock locker

[outer nova]

So does it shot faster like the shotgun sentry

[past mesa]

Yup but it doesn’t shoot fast enough the waste it’s bullets

[tardy ingot]

i litteraly answered that

it targets faster and shoots new targets faster + uses less ammo

[past mesa]

shotgun sentry legit shoots to fast

[tardy ingot]

and as jish said it doesnt get the issue of shooting too fast (unless you are stupid and use sentry cpu boosters capped, but like lol)

[tardy drift]

shotty turret blows its load faster than Napoleon

[past mesa]

Guys we just need shorty sentry to shoot a little faster

Then it will be a good tool

Just a little faster

[tardy ingot]

give it unlimited ammo

[tardy drift]

surely

[tardy ingot]

make it like bio

[past mesa]

If it had infinite ammo it would be useful

[tardy ingot]

yes

[fathom ice]

it would still miss everything

immovable object vs unstoppable force

[tardy drift]

who would win, -accuracy or unmissable hitbox

[digital mural]

Foam sentry

[outer nova]

I'm just trying to clarify my understanding of how the bio affects the sentrys

But I understand now

[tardy ingot]

1. they target an enemy faster
2. they shoot the next shot after the first faster
3. they use less ammo per shot

sniper sentry becomes rly good with it in the right scenario
shotgun sentry becomes even more shit with it

[outer nova]

Hmm, okay okay

[low radish]

Mine sentry

[tardy drift]

thats what im sayin

imagine placing it down

and you just hear mines going off constantly

[crystal blaze]

ICBM sentry

Nothing in Garganta survives

It’s Truman approved

[silent plaza]

does the amount of foam I throw on an enemy change the amount of time it is stunned for?

I am trying to kill scouts with foam but sometimes they wake up and I don't get why

[halcyon mango]

each blob has a value. Enemies can absorb up to a certain threshold. Once it reaches the threshold, they get goo'd for a set amount of time.

I believe it should be constant amount of time

[digital mural]

You can keep shooting it to keep it frozen

Also make sure to NOT hit a foam blob if You keep foaming it because it wont count to freeze the enemy

[halcyon mango]

otherwise, even if you only use the minimal foam to freeze it, you should have enough time to 1 shot it regardless if this is a normal scout.

how are you trying to kill it?

[silent plaza]

I am trying to complete r8a2 and foaming the scouts in the secondary

I have to melee them

[tardy drift]

nightmare scouts I assume? If your whole team is stabbing you shouldn’t need to refoam but idk if you can kill it fast enough by yourself

If I’m not mistaken it’s like 4 charged hits with a hammer each tumour to kill

[tardy ingot]

you dont necessarily have to kill them
if you have a team you can pretty easily kill them together

if not... just let them wake up then run past
the strikers are unironically easier to deal with than the nightmares

[craggy pier]

Does the sledge deal the most damage against enemies>

[civic wave]

that would be the scattergun...

yes a fully charged hammer has the highest base damage (before multipliers) of any melee weapon, but in certain situations (hitting the occiput of a sleeping enemy) spear or knife may do more damage, but it doesn't make a considerable difference to any breakpoints

[craggy pier]

Oh sorry i should have mentioned that i was talking about melee weapons.
With Melee only boosters can you kill any scount variant by hitting it at the back of the body in general?

[civic wave]

should be able to get most of them (outside of one), yeah

would need about +6% for regular scouts and +51% for charger scouts

[past mesa]

There isn’t enough melee damage for at least one scout

[gilded hawk]

I wasplaying a couple days ago and someone i was in matchmaking with was able to kill an enemy using the sniper rifle without alerting any others nearby by somehow cancelling the animation I think? does anyone know how to do this or has seen this done before?

[flat oar]

Its called silent shot. done by quick swap weapon after shooting as a client

[gilded hawk]

What is the time window? i have been trying to pull it off for a couple hours now yet i have made no progress it feels\

[flat oar]

Cant do it as a host

[gilded hawk]

ooooh got it

[flat oar]

its kinda cheating

[gilded hawk]

i figured as much

it seemed too broken to be intentional

[flat oar]

but sometime its done by accident

[lone mortar]

if its not fixed its a game mechanic

[grizzled patrol]

When you want to pull the room but you silent shoot instead

[flat oar]

i guess doorbug is not cheating then lol

[grizzled patrol]

Devs tried to fix it. But the Doors are too fucked to be fixed

[flat oar]

modder 😏

[lone mortar]

yes

its not lol

its cheese

no one really knew what door bug was until ppl made a fuss about in lfgs

[grizzled patrol]

Modded fix is Just a band aid. All it does is Just opening the Doors after they Break lmao. It works, but it makes all Doors Open on the Map and straight Up doesnt Work half of the time

[flat oar]

does it worth install?

[grizzled patrol]

Up to you :shrug: been a while since i have Seen a doorcheeser

[minor fractal]

I prefer kick plug

Unsolicited doorbug, not the host?

Goodbye

[flat oar]

i'll still keep it then if it dont cause other issues

[grizzled patrol]

Tbh Most of the time it is the Host himself that used it (at least in my expirience)

[flat oar]

auto kick 300+ ping player. before im gonna break the game

[lone mortar]

wat about me asshole

you always have no doorcheese mod fuck head

[wild flare]

This mod exist?

[lone mortar]

yes

[wild flare]

Cool, anti-cheese mods

[grizzled patrol]

I am going to doorcheese your Ass

[grizzled patrol]

There is also a anti silent shooting Mod, but it works only If Host Has it

[mental bay]

Can a chargerscout be killed with a hammer?

like, can we sneak up behind it and full charge hit it in the back

or do we have to cfoam it?

[flat oar]

either 2 person hit at the same time or orange syringe without c-foam

[mental bay]

does that also apply with spears?

[flat oar]

if spear 2 person must hit the back

but if hammer can 1 back 1 front

[mental bay]

ok ok

[flat oar]

orange syringe hammer can front melee but spear still need back multi

[mental bay]

Oh alr, thanks👍

[flat oar]

host hit the last is easier than hit first

[ocean lance]

so you're saying spear is really good

[grizzled patrol]

Only If you Take tren

[ocean lance]

what if I'm only on test

[grizzled patrol]

It will Work, but you will get fully infected #gtfo-media message

[ocean lance]

a price worth paying for to not being able to fully sprint whilst charging

[grizzled patrol]

I responded to the wrong Message

I hate mobile discord

[grizzled patrol]

.

[ocean lance]

Mobile discord is based idk what you're on about

I can watch twitch streams and be on discord whilst at work

This is peak

[grizzled patrol]

Yeah yeah. Put some Subway Surfers gameplay on it aswell while you are at it

[ocean lance]

Wait you're a genius

I'll just put tiktok brainrot and ig reels on my PC aswell

[grizzled patrol]

Bro is Not Just cooked. He is well done

[ocean lance]

Can't wait to get home and do the same there

[errant dome]

orange?

[grizzled patrol]

Love me some Green syringes

[ocean lance]

wait so the syringes I see on the streets that are red, they give me health?!

[flat oar]

misinfo its yellow

[ocean lance]

actually you're colorblind

it's green

[grizzled patrol]

The blue ones give you a Speed boost, i can say that for Sure

[flat oar]

🏳️‍🌈

[lone mortar]

the pink one

the pink one.....

[tiny wyvern]

Lets you have fun in four dimensions

[grizzled patrol]

Those Matterwave Crunchy xen crystals must Hit really hard

[lone mortar]

You dont pplay half life

How do u know what xen crystals are

[grizzled patrol]

I remember watching the playthroughs and speedruns Like 15 years ago when i still didnt have a pc

[prime musk]

is there any way to manually edit the clears for each expedition? i accidentally cleared while doing testing with cconsole (don't ask me how it's so stupid) and want my numbers to reflect "real" clears

[native sun]

As far as I know, no, clears are stored on 10C servers and they rather understandably don't allow edits on it

[frail heart]

Could do a clear then just don’t extract

[fervent wagon]

what is the most ass weapon in the main weapon category, except the burst pistol (I liked it)

[little pilot]

assault rifle

[fathom ice]

hell yeah

[fervent wagon]

ight assault rifle time

wait what gun of the main category has the most amount of ammo

[flat oar]

stop using sawed-off

[fathom ice]

u are clearly not playing with me

[flat oar]

true

[ocean spindle]

i believe hel autopistol

but thats not a bad option at all- its its pretty good

also this is just in raw numbers i am not sure about ammo refill

[fervent wagon]

fair enough

[tardy ingot]

ammo as in most amount of bullets (worthless game stat tbh)

or ammo as in most efficient gun possible (kills/refill)

[fathom ice]

should be hel shotty if i'd had to guess

[tardy ingot]

unless you get into some weird bullshit theoretical no

like, double backdmg occi pen shot

[fathom ice]

counting occi is just dumb ngl

[tardy ingot]

even just front 1 shots arent typically counted for it

[fervent wagon]

the amount of bulets, yes

I got the van auken smg

[prime musk]

good idea ty

[tardy ingot]

Just smg
The manufacturer names are not used aside for the veruta and arbalist machinegun to differentiate

[tardy ingot]

Thats hel auto pistol yes

But why do you want „the most ammo“?

[fervent wagon]

so I just spray and hit nothing

actually

just spray at big guys

because they have the most amount of health and hitbox

[fathom ice]

how much AR clips u need to kill a giant

[native sun]

2

[fathom ice]

LMAO

[tardy ingot]

uuuh
wouldnt you want smth that actually kill them then?

[native sun]

(I think they're playing bad weapon for fun kind of challenge)

[tardy ingot]

[tiny wyvern]

Usually specials do a better job with economy to actually kill things

Regardless of good or bad

I mean I use machine pis

I should know

[fathom ice]

it's not that bad honestly

[tiny wyvern]

No, unless you also brought a machine gun with it

That or a choke mod
Or that one time I did it with a short rifle

[fervent wagon]

my dumb brain thinks more bullets = more damage to deal to a bigger taarget

[tiny wyvern]

Nah

This game likes positioning and weakpoints more

[grizzled patrol]

Its fine If you have aimbot

[tiny wyvern]

That or you just use it to clean things up

[fervent wagon]

that's why I wrote dumb brain.

[grizzled patrol]

Hel PP is better at this imho

[tiny wyvern]

Eh depends on what you're trying to clean up

[grizzled patrol]

What If i want to Clean Up a massive vomit stain?

[tiny wyvern]

Use a mop

Or a bucket

[grizzled patrol]

After playing with mg

[tiny wyvern]

Also @fervent wagon were you using burst pis for fun?

Just want to know

[fervent wagon]

check media and you'll have your answer

[tiny wyvern]

...That's the thing, I don't know if you did it for the funnies or you all actually tried to use it properly

Probably for fun, but for R2B1 it's not that bad

[fervent wagon]

actually tried to use

[ocean spindle]

choke mod sounds fine a machinepiss

not much different from a high cal except for the obvious

[tiny wyvern]

I've always wanted to ask, but is the reason why the threat level voiceline only happens for Overload doors bcs they changed all the names

Was there voicelines for old main and secondary objective bulk doors?

[civic wave]

dunno why it was changed ¯_(ツ)_/¯

at minimum it used to happen for extreme bulkhead doors too

and the voice line would repeat

i think it did have voice lines for high bulkhead too

[ocean spindle]

i like the voices but tbh i prefer them being said once cuz seems weird they repeat like forever

but id like if they made the noise at least once

[tardy ingot]

yes

it repeating over and over made it feel even more "deserted"

added nicely to the atmosphere in return for (if you dont care) annoying sound effects

[soft crater]

Bring back High/Extreme

[fervent wagon]

does the drekker precision rifle 1 shot scouts?

[upper ginkgo]

ya

[fervent wagon]

ty

[tiny wyvern]

Only to head though, no back angle if I remember correctrly

[ocean spindle]

yeah but no one aims for the back anyway

[soft crater]

but I will so I can shoot it from farther away

[ocean spindle]

thats the back pf the head u goof

[soft crater]

Imean. I figured they meant it didn't need back of head. To oneshot.

But that's at reasonable ranges

[crystal blaze]

I think they didn’t bother to record BIOCOM voice lines for secondary or main, but because overload remained the same between the original and ALT:// run downs, they reused it

Also, it would sound a little off if the BIOCOM voice kept repeating “threat level MAIN”

[low radish]

do mothers babies count towwards the spawwn cap

[crystal blaze]

Yes

[ocean spindle]

do they

[crystal blaze]

That’s how you do R4E1 solo, no? You cap it out with mother babies and get no reactor waves?

[ocean spindle]

i think mothers have their own spawn cap

where if u kite babies of their own yes they cannot spawn more

but if its normal enemies they just get added

thats how u can get crazy shit like r7e1 things

[civic wave]

babies do contribute to regular spawncap

[ocean spindle]

damn nevermind

[flat oar]

it cap other to spawn. but mother can spawn even spawn reach cap right?

[civic wave]

however mothers will ignore this spawn cap and spawn babies up to their own cap

[low radish]

yep

and i wwasn't sure if they contribute to the ovveral one

wwait howw many babies can a p-mother spawn

40?

[crystal blaze]

I think it’s about 30

Could be 40, I’m just spouting hearsay at this point

[crystal blaze]

So essentially, if I’m understanding this correct, if you needed 1 more enemy for spawn cap, then any baby that’s birthed will cap out the enemies

But the mom will continue spawning until it also reaches the baby cap as well

[viscid zinc]

Is cap shared between all the mothers?

[crystal blaze]

So you cap out babies and regular enemies

[low radish]

yes

[fathom ice]

pmom is 30 mom is 20

iirc

[prime musk]

no that's per birth no? total is bigger i think?

[fathom ice]

that's one birth

or what are we talking about

[crystal blaze]

That’s what the question was, how many per birth

[fathom ice]

total is times 2

i think

so 60 and 40 per mom

[prime musk]

i thought total number of babies mom can spawn was the discussion but i may have misunderstood

[flat oar]

ye mom 20 p-mom 30 just test

[fathom ice]

let's say more than one

can't be wrong

[civic wave]

each mother has her own baby cap

[civic wave]

pretty much

[viscid zinc]

What exactly Tracker CPU speed effects does? Is it for biotracker or for bioscans?

[fathom ice]

ur bio recharges faster

or it tracks faster

i can't remember

[viscid zinc]

Good enough, thanks

[mortal tide]

your bio pings have lower cooldown

[low radish]

yes it recharges faster

[crystal blaze]

Tracker CPU means that the biotracker with track faster and recharge faster

[safe cradle]

I think it's only a reduction on CD, so it recharges faster

Considering how fast the track is already, I doubt it'd be easy to notice the faster tracking

[tardy ingot]

it rly just impacts shadows

[mental bay]

Any level recommendations for Low Tech achievement. Complete a c tier without using tool stuff

[ocean spindle]

r1c2 is pretty simple, only one worrying alarm

the rest is just good shooting good stealth

plus big amount of nades and mines on the level

[digital mural]

R1C1

:)

[mental bay]

Alr thanks

What about for Close Quaters? The d tier shotgun only

[past mesa]

Any level

Shot guns are kinda overpowered in the game

Might as well do r1d1 at the same time

for the no break door achievement

[mental bay]

Oooo

Okay thanks

[low radish]

R4C2

[upbeat epoch]

How long do scouts stagger for?

[low radish]

they don't get staggered, that wwould wwake em up

do you mean the scream

[neon gust]

stagger animation its the same as the shooter if you manage to get a stagger off

[low radish]

Oh wwait you mean after they wwake up

my bad

[neon gust]

if you stagger a scout you should definetly try to shoot his head instantly

before the scream

or obviously have a friend finish him off right after

[digital mural]

You can stagger them

They wont scream until after the animation finishes

[errant dome]

after getting alerted a scout will take between 0.25-0.5 seconds (randomized) before becoming invul, main exception is touching tentacles which take around ~1 second to retract so 1.25-1.5 seconds for that

[neon gust]

can a brother get a amen

[upbeat epoch]

Do scouts need to fully retract their tendrils to scream?

[errant dome]

yes, for most scout varients (with 1 exception) it takes 1 second for them to retract, then the randomized delay before they go invul (Unless you do some action that triggers them before the 1 second passes like shooting in which case they'll go to the randomized delay)

[tiny wyvern]

Reminder that ping does have an effect, so do be careful even when rushing
Also the shouldler

Can't forget the shoulder

[upbeat epoch]

Oh ok thanks

[low radish]

WWAIT REALLY

[upbeat epoch]

So like if a scout were to have it tendrils out and you shoot it will go straight into the randomized delay?

[digital mural]

Yes

[low radish]

howw did i not knoww that

[digital mural]

Because it doesnt happen often

I only have seen it twice personally

[errant dome]

assuming the shot doesnt kill it yea

[low radish]

me nevver

[dawn jackal]

How do I get the acheivement dots and dashes

[ocean spindle]

complete r1d1

the thing is at the last corridor before the last zone

and its automatic

just many people dont hear it when it happens

[stiff hearth]

be silent and listen just after the cool looking door

[safe cradle]

I meant the action of tracking, not the CD, but yes, even the CD just impacts shadows and that's kinda it

I also think you dont need much to be able to permatrack shadows, right? I know they stay pinged for like 7-9 seconds or something like that.

[silent plaza]

Is there anyway to get this color pallete? https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gtfo_gamepedia_en/images/9/95/Lugubrious.png/revision/latest?cb=20220206213606

I know it was from rundown 6, but is there really no way of getting it nowdays? not even with mods or something?

[digital mural]

Cosmetic mods

There is a mod that unlocks all cosmetics

[topaz anvil]

Lugubrious my beloved

[silent plaza]

any way to unlock just that one?

I still have missions to complete and don't want to get everything at once

[past mesa]

no

[digital mural]

if it says R6 and not ALT R6 then no

you cant

[silent plaza]

rip

ty anyway

[stark mason]

what are some good weapons for a beginner

[ocean spindle]

carbines easy to use, sawed off too, any shotguns and stuff usually are afable
really most guns that dont need too many headshots unless u wanna practice getting enemy patters and stuff

[digital mural]

, carbine, machine guns, shotguns,

[ocean spindle]

would just recommend staying a little away from the sniper and thats about it and then u can experiment

and on melee u can start with spear but only as u learn, then id recommend switching to another option

spear hinders u quite a bit in the long run

[stark mason]

imma be honest, for melee i got used to knife

and am really sad, when i see the giant looking guy

[digital mural]

You might have q but or trouble with Big guys

But good melee anyways

[ocean spindle]

if ur with a team u can always do it together

if ur playing with bots id say yes probs change to another

[digital mural]

Hammer

:3

[ocean spindle]

bat works with bots too tbh

and it might be better for bigs with bots?

[stark mason]

ye im trynna learn the game kinda solo, and after i get the hang of the controlls, gunplay and everything, ill get into more missions

[digital mural]

Don't play solo

Play with bots

[stark mason]

oh yea i can do that

soo for melee hammer and for ranged carbine/shotguns?

[ocean spindle]

works

just take into account some missions require different things

but thats very solid

[stark mason]

will do, thanks for the help, big time

[ocean spindle]

alright if u need help with anything else u can always ask here!

[stark mason]

👍 ❤️

also sorry for dumb question, but is the game playable throughout with just bots?

cuz ive heard that it gets hard

[ocean spindle]

its possible for most easy missions and ok-ish for middle missions
but it does get very hard deeper and some missions are impossible

[digital mural]

You Will need at least another human soul for some late missions

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[stark mason]

ty for the help 🙂

[silent plaza]

does using mods from thunderstore reset your progress?

I've heard it's a different savefile. If so, is there a way to use mods on my main one?

[digital mural]

No

[ocean spindle]

i believe very few mods can not affect the progression but questions for #hc-modded

idk

[digital mural]

Mods dont affect progression

The progression You already had

You can progress normally with certain QoL mods or other questionable ones

[ocean spindle]

damn

[silent plaza]

Ty!

[native sun]

Re: birth cap
https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Enemy_Attacks#Birth
@low radish @crystal blaze @ocean spindle @civic wave @flat oar @viscid zinc @fathom ice @prime musk

[ocean spindle]

thank u

[native sun]

Important thing for the discussion: <27 babies alive means they can birth, mom spawns 20, so her max is 47, pmom spawns 30, so her max is 57

[trail girder]

what the...

[ocean spindle]

:3

dont worry

[trail girder]

right.

[civic wave]

pinged :(

[trail girder]

slightly worrying about what the hell is going on in this server

[ocean spindle]

teehee

[civic wave]

you scoundrel

[ocean spindle]

:3

[trail girder]

oh okay its about an enemy in game

god I was terrified

[viscid zinc]

Lack of global spawncap for babies seems like an oversight due to game fucking dying if there's more than 100 enemies

But its not that common luckily

[native sun]

There's like, 1 level where it happens, and in that situation where it does happen, 95% of players are already all dead

You have to be an experienced player specifically going out of your way to make it happen

[viscid zinc]

In my case sleeping mothers woke up for no visible reasons so im still sad about it

[modest monolith]

sleeping enemies waking up could be due to latency

when someone make a noise or something

[mental bay]

Does anyone want to help me get the Work Together Achievement??? I dont have 4 to play with 💀

Actually nvm

I think i can get 4 tomorrow.

[past mesa]

Two levels r7e1 as well

[hasty crane]

does the circle scan in r8b4 move faster with multiple people in it?

[hard nexus]

no

u could have up to two defenders if u wanted to

[prime musk]

i mean tbf if the baby cap was global it wouldn't be ggs when moms up in r4e1, dunno about how it would be in r7e1

[hasty crane]

thank you

[tardy ingot]

it doesnt "move" faster but it finishes considerably faster

[past mesa]

It is how you clutch up

If you fail code 4

[prime musk]

by spawncapping babies?

[past mesa]

100%

[mental bay]

Level recommendations for the biotracker achievement???

Complete expedition having marked every enemy on a bio tracker?

[minor fractal]

R2B1

Alternatively, R1B1

R1B1 is easier, but R2B1 is shorter

[mental bay]

Would it be a good idea to use bots?

I would just have them bring biotracker

[minor fractal]

Bots is fine, but it's more fun in multiplayer

[mental bay]

None of my friends want to play gtfo 😔

[minor fractal]

4 bio is most consistent, but you can get away w/ 1 bot bio 1 player bio

LFG

Just makes sure bots and tools don't get to kill anything before you can tag it.

[knotty relic]

4 bio?

Like 4 players all using bio?

[ocean spindle]

yeh

[knotty relic]

Why is that useful lol

[topaz anvil]

For the achievement

[knotty relic]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I'm brain dead. My bad.

I just needed to look up like 3 messages to actually see the context of the conversation.

[topaz anvil]

Gtfo does that to you

[tiny wyvern]

A lot of fandoms these days can't read

Don't worry

[mental bay]

How much mines does it take to kill the tank in r4c1??

Is it 8?

[tiny wyvern]

Theoretically 7, but you have to hit tumors else it doesn't kill

Better off shooting tbh

[ocean spindle]

unkess its r4c3 then it is kinda ez B]

[knotty relic]

In R4C1 the tank is asleep so it’s a lot easier to just have all 4 people look at different tumors and shoot.

If you have double Scatter Gun you will literally delete that poor bastard.

[ocean spindle]

double scattergun? r4c1?

[soft crater]

hm.

[knotty relic]

Bro don’t even. There’s not that many Chargers.

[frail heart]

what

[jagged shore]

got a question, team
take r2c1 as an example for this
if you opened up all the uplink zones
then started all 3 uplinks at the same time and finished only one of them
would you be able to do the rest of the uplinks in peace? I assume so because finishing uplink cancels waves yeah?
team scans would be annoying but otherwise this is something you could do right?

[native sun]

You can't start an uplink while another one is in progress is the only problem

You can use that to cancel other alarms in the level though

[grizzled patrol]

Now that i think about it

Since Uplinks can cancel Out alarms that Spawn certain ammount of enemies once

Could you theoretically alarmskip a blood door?

[prime musk]

this is just wrong
as long as you run the command and get the team scan on the ground you can activate as many as you have access to by finishing the scans, after which you cancel all of them when finishing the first one

standard solo strat in r6b2 sec is to start one uplink and do all codes but not input the last one, and then start the second uplink to cancel both

[jagged shore]

i don't believe blood doors use survival waves so i doubt it

[native sun]

Well there ya go, should work then

I imagine the HUD gets borked for actually doing both at once, but if you do all the way up until the last code that doesn't matter

[prime musk]

what happens is that the latest uplink activated takes priority in the hud, so you have to make sure you write down the code of the first uplink before activating more

[tardy ingot]

I know that double uplinks dont let you start the 2nd one before finishing the first

Weird that they didnt implement that for normal ones if thats true?

But tbh
Not surprising

[prime musk]

wdym "double uplinks" the ones with log files sent to other terminals?

[tardy ingot]

yes

[wild flare]

Just wanted to say this too, learned it hard way, after loading from checkpoint on r7c3

[grand mulch]

Is there a way to have offline session (mods or something) so I could noclip around or something similar?

Or is there a way to enable dev console to use

[ocean spindle]

u can just host a level and block the slots to have no players or bots

[digital mural]

You can noclip in a normal bot lobby

You can't get banned or anything

[grand mulch]

How do you noclip?

[digital mural]

CC console mod

[grand mulch]

Okay thanks

Is there any cvar list that could enable me to disable render culling so the whole map renders at once?

So I can export the whole level

[digital mural]

#hc-modded

Thats modded territory
Youll most likely get better answer there

Lots of GTFO tech wizzards over there

[grand mulch]

Thanks I'll take a look there

[minor fractal]

It doesn't use the wave system to spawn enemies

[mental bay]

For rundown 8 are some of the levels hidden???

On the wiki it says that there is an A2 level but i dont see it on the rundown

[digital mural]

You need to complete R8E1 to unlock the 2nd half

Each half tells the story from the other team pov

[mental bay]

ohhhh lore reasons

[mental bay]

Is there like a summarized version of the lore that I can read??

I kinda havent been paying too much attention to it :p.

[safe cradle]

Somewhere in the gtfo-lore channel

[safe cradle]

Neither did I and I'm sure we're far from being the only 2

[mental bay]

alright

[safe cradle]

I only know something like ||Spaceship crashes with parasite+virus combo that got out when Evil Corporation number 4215213 digged too deep like the Dwarves in LoTR. Then everyone dead but weird alien interdimensional engine can send you to other realities (even good ones, like one were Belgium doesn't exist and only their beer does).||

Or something like that.

[mental bay]

The multiverse is real 😮

[safe cradle]

I'll never believe this other realities thing tbh

No matter how many egghead scientists try to tell me there's endless universes and whatnot

[grizzled patrol]

||bald man piping the other version of himself before getting drowned in a liquid||

[mental bay]

noted 🫡

what if the warden is santa😱

[safe cradle]

Warden can be anagrammed to We R Dan

[mental bay]

Dan 😱

[digital mural]

Nope

[safe cradle]

Dan is shorthard for Daniel, like Daniel Fortesque

[digital mural]

Full lore there isnt

And the YouTube videos dont cover most of the subplots

[safe cradle]

Daniel Fortesque is a skeleton, therefore...

[mental bay]

Skeleton...

like...

Sans undertale!!!!!!!😱

[digital mural]

@mental bay You can watch scalers lore video

And if You have any questions ask here

[mental bay]

Ooooo alr thanks

[minor fractal]

Fine-tuning, tho

[wanton flint]

Do the different melee weapons have different stats or are they same

Like is every sledge hammer the same

[digital mural]

They are just skins

[wanton flint]

Oki doki

[wanton flint]

What does artifact heat mean

Like the %

[grizzled widget]

For dummies doc???

[digital mural]

It doesnt cover everything

[digital mural]

`
Artifact Heat is a mechanic present on the Rundown UI. The number will dictate how valuable each artifact is within a given level.

At 100% heat, each artifact will contribute towards 0.15 Booster progress, or 15%. As heat decreases, so will its progress towards a Booster. Artifact heat will never reach below 20% (at this heat level, artifacts will increase the Booster progress by 0.03).

Artifact heat will decrease by 1% for every artifact collected in the current expedition regardless of type. Artifact heat will increase by 1% for all other expeditions every 3 artifacts collected. Artifacts will only be counted as collected when you complete a level, fail a level, or retire to lobby. Exiting the game or returning to the desktop will not grant you any artifact progression.
`

[grizzled widget]

About as close as you can reasonably get. It just doesn't have *accurate stuff for during gameplay

for everything that happens before the game starts and background detail like what the virus, parasite, warden, and stuff are, it still does an incredible job

[wanton flint]

Artifacts are those colourful shapes right

[grizzled widget]

yes

[wanton flint]

Awesome sauce

[grizzled widget]

technically speaking they are collector (alien) artifacts that the warden rewards us with boosters for if we collect them for it.

[digital mural]

We call them Candy

[wanton flint]

Also why are some of the level icons orange and some of them white

[digital mural]

Orange are lore focused levels

[wanton flint]

Ah

[digital mural]

White are just levels

I recommend doing R6, R7 and R8 in order

Since the lore picks up from there

[wanton flint]

I see

[grizzled widget]

started in r6... realistically, r5e1 should have been tagged orange, no?

(alt, at least)

given how important DEEP is

[digital mural]

Maybe
But R5E1 as it is, it's pretty vague for people that arent really into the lore

Or havent read logs

[grizzled widget]

the problem with that is ALT://r6 has no relation to R7.

[tardy ingot]

it started in R6 since full release

[crystal blaze]

Imagine having R5E1 being a story mission

I would crash out

[tardy ingot]

also yea alt r6 is so lore scarce compared to og r6 (in how its shown)

[grizzled widget]

because devs removed all of the original worldline rundowns barring r7

[tardy ingot]

@crystal blaze you mean like R8E2

[grizzled widget]

so story is vastly different

[crystal blaze]

:(

[digital mural]

Listen
E2 is peak

[tardy ingot]

E2 IS peak

[digital mural]

:)

[crystal blaze]

E2 has no infection

It is peak

[tardy ingot]

goated level
goated diversity
goated glitches

[digital mural]

almost every single enemy is in E2

So its just better

[crystal blaze]

Me when chargers only spawn at the ending extraction alarm

:((((

[tardy ingot]

like 2 chargers
CRAZY

[digital mural]

Really hard

Should have been removed

[grizzled widget]

i think... the biggest problem is players post alt://r1 have no fucking clue what r7 is about... the transition from alt://r6 is so jarring.

[digital mural]

I'm going to be honest
I don't remember seeing chargers in E2 extract

[grizzled widget]

even worse if people dont bother reading into the story

[tardy ingot]

agree
imo alt r6 shouldve kept og r6 lore at least...

[digital mural]

This is new for me

[grizzled widget]

you go from decisively deciding to side with the warden in r6d1 to a full out war and the introduction to CRAZY SCHAEFFER

[tardy ingot]

R7 into R8 works
R6 into R8 works

R6 into R7... uuuh
not with alt r6

[digital mural]

But hey
The dialogue ruined the pace of the game
So it got removed :)

[grizzled widget]

then from that, to r8 and back to "normal" alt://schaeffer, because the second half of r8 is hidden...

its bad again

[tardy ingot]

nah
NAH
that was due to SUPER LONG scans

[digital mural]

Omg
I need to wait
Dead game

[tardy ingot]

honestly
hot take

R7 being hidden until after you beat the first half of R8 wouldve been interesting

[crystal blaze]

This is why they need to bring back the OG rundowns

[tardy ingot]

bad logic for the actual game

[crystal blaze]

Please

[grizzled widget]

i don't buy the excuse tbh... could have just let it play as and after the door opens...

[tardy ingot]

but lore following wouldve been more interesting

[grizzled widget]

more than enough time before the next audio plays

it would never interfere

[digital mural]

We see what happens in R8
The audio cuts off when someone kills an enemy

How
Do
You
Mess
Up
That badly

[grizzled widget]

the funniest thing is the DEFAULT SETTINGS in wwise wouldnt cause that issue

i have no fucking clue how they managed that

[topaz anvil]

not a hot take imo

[grizzled widget]

hell having any kind of transition would have been interesting

any knowledge at all of the differeing worldlines

[digital mural]

real

[grizzled widget]

even a little text blurb

but nooooo.... they gotta be secretive

the lore's gotta be hidden

there is no wonder only a small minority bother with the story of this game.

[topaz anvil]

the fomo has already struck. anyone who started playing in Alt has missed the bus

[grizzled widget]

and the worst part is, it honestly ISNT THAT BAD

they just refuse to tell it to you

you gotta spend a dozen hours digging through unorganized logs

and invent a time machine for the email logs...

[digital mural]

and then boom
PLOT HOLE

Fun

[grizzled widget]

know the santonian website exists...

so many little f*cking things

[topaz anvil]

reminds me of the logs in Visitor D1, but even those were time-stamped

Man I forgor about the website 💀

[wanton flint]

So which melee weapon is best :3c ?

[digital mural]

Hammer

[topaz anvil]

shit was fire back in the day

[grizzled widget]

https://santonianindustries.com/ so did the devs.

[wanton flint]

Is that a fact

[grizzled widget]

It hasn't been updated since r7

[digital mural]

Spear sucks
Bat is for stagger
Knife for fast kills
Hammer is an all rounder

[digital mural]

Yes

Hammer is just the best at everything

[wanton flint]

Hammer is the most versatile

[digital mural]

Basically yeah

Can kill smalls and bigs without much trouble

[wanton flint]

Stagger like stunning enemies?

[digital mural]

Yeah

[wanton flint]

I see

[grizzled widget]

TLDR: don't complain about the story. It has its problems... but it honestly is pretty interesting if you dig into it. Complain about the fact you have to dig into it and how it's parts were implemented

[tardy ingot]

#guides-and-reviews message

well most vets (and people who understand the game) will likely agree

[soft crater]

Matter of fact. Back then. We Only had Hammer.

No knife. No Spear. No bat. Just hammers

[ocean spindle]

if e2 is the hardest level, is it the most difficult sec too

or is there a worse one

[fathom ice]

r8d2 sec class 9 is hardest encounter in the game

[ocean spindle]

its the hardest encounter but u can do the VII

[fathom ice]

idk e2 reactor is free

[carmine grotto]

Doing the 7 has its own set of issues though. Most will go for the 9 to feel they got a "full" completion

[tardy ingot]

Such a bullshit take ngl

i know its meant in a meme way

but bruh

[digital mural]

E2 reactor is free

Idk about that

[tardy ingot]

9 is more interesting and fun
but god is it not the easiest way to clear the level ye

[digital mural]

The reactor is probably the worst part of the level

everything else is meh

[carmine grotto]

Easy way is not the gtfo way. Gotta be the most roundabout bullshit way

[tardy ingot]

depends
i vary between random ass stupid challenge and optimized way that makes the level a meme

[ocean spindle]

that just sounds like excuses a newie would give me to try and do the IX when the rest of the group wants to do the VII kdmskd

[tardy ingot]

its like a metronome

[topaz anvil]

You do 7 and deal with the downsides but win, or you reset 20 times for 9

[ocean spindle]

eva tho i wanna know ur take what's the hardest sec

is it e2 or is it another level

specifically a sec

[digital mural]

Reset 20 times is better

[tardy ingot]

if you with a good team - do 9 since fun and brain off run
If you wanna win - class 7 and use foggies well

[topaz anvil]

R8b4 change my mind

[ocean spindle]

prenerf i wouldve said yes maybs

maybs

i also did it like terribly

[carmine grotto]

Now it's kinda just move through fog quick if you know where to go

[ocean spindle]

so id have to play it again

[carmine grotto]

Or go to the fog-be-gone terminal at the start

[tardy ingot]

Depends on how you define this I guess

Gotta consider that some secondaries impact the level more than they do something directly

See r6c2. The secondary part of the scan is chill, the hybrids are the challenge. But the hybrids depend on how it works with the main

[digital mural]

It doesnt matter if you did it wrong or horrible
Getting the clear is what matters

[tardy ingot]

This is (was) a good example for that

[ocean spindle]

what if i doorbugged [jk]

[tardy ingot]

nerfed, no longer tho

[digital mural]

Slendo
I'm going to use the table on you

[ocean spindle]

:[

but yes i guess i mean sec interwiden with main cuz theres rlly no other way to judge some

like r4b2s

interweeved

interplayed?

i hate words

[carmine grotto]

Should be rule 14. Doorbugging for a clear is a no-go

[digital mural]

Speak in signs then

[topaz anvil]

Yo actually r6c2 secondary

Shit was fucked up back in the day

[ocean spindle]

ah yes in the days of the- for a while- even stronger scattergun

and broken sniper

[tardy ingot]

4 hybrid waves for first patch

[ocean spindle]

oh damn

nevermind

i did not know that at all

[digital mural]

4? That sounds fun

[tardy ingot]

scalers first clear might have it

i dont remember

[upper ginkgo]

was still pretty clearable with og scattergun

[tardy ingot]

yea

But harder

[topaz anvil]

It was not

[tardy ingot]

Noticeably so

[digital mural]

But 3 shot sniper 👉 👈

[ocean spindle]

so it was both incredibly easy cuz scattergun pen 180 dmg and then like, modern-times-hard cuz sniper was 3 and sec got nerfed to 3?

[topaz anvil]

The coordination always fell apart right as you arrived into the foggy rooms with the dataspbere

[ocean spindle]

cell

or cargo

[topaz anvil]

Large item

[ocean spindle]

thing

[topaz anvil]

Doesn't matter what it is, it was heavy and made you walk

[tardy ingot]

also regarding the secondary question

its an R8 level for sure and pretty easily E2

If you want to class 9 is probably harder. But idk if by that much
Class 7 is fine and good for the level and class 5 is a meme but ass for the level

R8B4sec, considering main. Would probably be the contender for r8e2sec pre nerf

R4 has like
E1, C2 and maybe D1 (lol)
D2 is just simple and fog rising, c3 is fog gone and simple. C1 is easy. Rest is chill too

R5 has not that many standout secondarys. B3? C2? lol. D1 obviously for how mindnumbing it is

R6 is legit just C2 and D2

R7 is a meme on secondary difficulty. Might actually be fucking B3

[ocean spindle]

iii i kinda also put up there r4e1 sec along e2
i mean i never tried it that much, but it always seem more hard in insidious ways rather than 5 tanks 2 moms

insidious as in splittin up n shit

ksmdkm

[carmine grotto]

7b3 is the hardest secondary imo for r7. The rest are on par with the mains in difficulty

[ocean spindle]

i mean cuz its about the only sec that its more on a straightforward objective
c3 is light off, c2 is cool but also an introduction

so it cannot be that challenging

[tardy ingot]

R4E1 reactor can be duo held by 2 decent players or 1 good/great player. Code search is pretty nice tho, but you CAN shoot up everything easily bar mom zone, so biggest skill check is not triggering scouts, having leaks, stealthing past moms and knowing how to pull and kill blood door

[ocean spindle]

i was dumb i guess we got to waveeee 5?

and then we died holding cuz of course i was holding

hel shotti mg babyyy

it was probs before r6 ngl ksmdkm

[tardy ingot]

B2…
B3 (some challenge but eh)
C2… (wow a mom blood door)
C3… wow stealth vs shadow giants (sometimes)

[ocean spindle]

wait it mightve been...chokemod?
fuck

ah what did i do it with

[upper ginkgo]

hel shotty / choke mod is kinda insane

[digital mural]

Based

[tardy ingot]

ovl in R7 on the other hand phew
B3 is good, C2 is good, C3 is good. D1 (since no longer bugged) isnt bad

[ocean spindle]

i dont remmeber if it was mg but i know i defo had hel shottie

cuz i was regretting it and wishing i had revo

cuz i was bad

skill issuing

[carmine grotto]

D1 isn't that bad because it breaks 90% of the time

[ocean spindle]

r7c2 MY BELOVEEED

UNDERRATED C2 AAAAA

i mean

[tardy ingot]

It does only if you checkpoint

[ocean spindle]

UNDERRATE C TIER AAA

[carmine grotto]

I've had it break without checkpoint, they just stopped spawning after killing 2nd mom

[tardy ingot]

C2 is a great level hampered by cell walks becoming numb over time and stacked rooms

[tardy ingot]

how long did you take?

[ocean spindle]

snatchers have a limit

[tardy ingot]

cuz theres a limited amount

[ocean spindle]

of an hour 30 or so

its a string of events, not an error

[ocean spindle]

at least they try to make it funnier than every other cell walk back in any gen cluster

[tardy ingot]

This is also why it breaks upon checkpoint

[ocean spindle]

funni

[tardy ingot]

I like 1st gen
I like 2nd gen
3rd is ??? Why boring

I think ovl shouldnt have been a boring osip thing but like an hsu so everyone would need to go inside

[ocean spindle]

3 cell was fog right

[tardy ingot]

just fog yes

its where people usually do the ovl in

[ocean spindle]

yeah, i did cuz teehee
ive heard its easier on second cell

i never believe it lol

cuz that error just seems weird

[carmine grotto]

I'm weary of c2 because of the sec breaking for no apparent reason. Was most likely something we did but was annoying

[topaz anvil]

Damn I can't remember what r7c2 is called

[upper ginkgo]

sublimation...

[topaz anvil]

I'm not a true fan if i forgor that

[ocean spindle]

r7d2 name goo!

[upper ginkgo]

i actually don't know

[topaz anvil]

Mother

[ocean spindle]

it Awol :3

[ocean spindle]

thats d1

[topaz anvil]

Damn

Evidently i rate r7 lowly

[ocean spindle]

:[

[digital mural]

Hallowed Quad bad

[tardy ingot]

No way

[ocean spindle]

r7 feels like a sort of under-appreciated rundown, it has a lot of cool levels, it just aged badly cuz of how the game came to be

[carmine grotto]

Doesn't know the level they have 100+ clears on

[ocean spindle]

like r7d2 with hel guns, or r7a1 with being easy

[tardy ingot]

r7 has good first time experience with niche and new fun ideas

But

[topaz anvil]

D1 ruined the experience with snatcher spam bug

[tardy ingot]

Most levels in r7 have 1 or 2 issues for replayability

[upper ginkgo]

r7 c-tiers are pretty solid

b-tiers bleghhh

[ocean spindle]

b1 is like the epitome of a fine b1

[upper ginkgo]

d-tier is pretty decent

[ocean spindle]

not a great b1 just a fine b1

[tardy ingot]

A1 - terminal???
B1 - cell AND collection case, but mild
B2 - wtf is this secondary booooring
B3 - secondary, waiting sim
C1 - ceeeeeeell walk
C2 - ceeeeeeeelll walk
C3 - yay stealth sim
D1 - snatchers breaking in the past
E1 - i love babysitting 💀

[digital mural]

C2 is one of the few levels i think use fog well :b

[ocean spindle]

collection case my beloved

[digital mural]

Maybe the only one that actually uses it well

[tardy ingot]

R6C2 also uses fog extremely well ngl

[tiny wyvern]

Pablo is certainly an experience

[ocean spindle]

d1 is

[tardy ingot]

its one of my fav examples of good design with infectious fog

[ocean spindle]

breaking in the past

i think its the only r7 level that aged wonderfully

[topaz anvil]

All boring levels in gtfo can be fixed by adding a single alarm Giant Generator

[tardy ingot]

R7D2

[ocean spindle]

like it is actually, really fuckin fun

[ocean spindle]

hel

[tardy ingot]

still fun

[ocean spindle]

sadly kinda, killed it a bit, its still fuck tons of fun

[tardy ingot]

shooting sim stays fun

[ocean spindle]

but it didnt aged good

[digital mural]

error with 10 giants

Problem fixed

[ocean spindle]

it still being one of the best doesnt mean it cant age badly kmsdkm

it was just so made for the guns of r7

[tardy ingot]

Honestly boss kill memes on r7d2 more than hel

[upper ginkgo]

crazy argument

[tardy ingot]

considering og r7 had sniper and choke

[topaz anvil]

Basically what i said except they explode and have no arms

[tardy ingot]

vs scatter and bc

[ocean spindle]

that too

not real boss kill on r7

both kinda just splushed it

its still awesome but id argue only d1 aged better

[upper ginkgo]

og r7 also had op sniper sentry

so like r7d2 wave hold was already trivial

[tardy ingot]

it handled a lot of things ye

you often ran like 2 of them lol

on levels

[ocean spindle]

only level for foam was like... a1 b1, b2

uhh

thats about it

ah e1

[topaz anvil]

Genuinely would be interested to see how r7d2 fans play Redemption C1

[ocean spindle]

still with horribly aged levels i think r7 is still better than a lot of people give it credit for

[upper ginkgo]

who's shitting on r7

[ocean spindle]

t this was the whole convo about

also maybe not shittin

[topaz anvil]

R7 gets a B-

[ocean spindle]

but underapreciating

[upper ginkgo]

b- is fair

[ocean spindle]

GOOD ENOUGH

compared to the C that r4 gets for me, tons better

maybe C-

[topaz anvil]

R4 can have a D imo

[ocean spindle]

american gradin is stupid

its a 4 thats it

4/10

[topaz anvil]

Yes

[ocean spindle]

r7 is aaa 6/10

r6 is a 8/10 and r8 is a 9.5/10

just cuz e tiers should be harder

[topaz anvil]

R1 is 11/10

[ocean spindle]

r1 suprisingly would be a 5/10 for me cuz for how basic it is i kinda enjoy it

its the beginnin, its the easiest

d1 goes hard with the ending

good enough

above r4

[topaz anvil]

R4 can have a 20/10 for the igmm introduction

[ocean spindle]

the huh

[topaz anvil]

Mm

[ocean spindle]

oh

chistoso

[digital mural]

Payaso

Comediante

El risitas

[topaz anvil]

[digital mural]

?

[topaz anvil]

Visitor looking mad cute rn

[ocean spindle]

fish reacted

[topaz anvil]

You can class 4 hostile biomass me

Spawn those mutants 😔

[jagged shore]

i agree, but i have to wonder what gives people this mindset for d2 but not have it for r1c1
i haven't replayed either enough to pin it down myself
just enemy variety?

[upper ginkgo]

that and also because there's not much dead time between waves

[hardy grotto]

R1c1 is like

4 people staring at a wave of enemies and one person having to go back to plug a code every so often

r7d2 is 2 people staring at a wave of enemies while 2 people go and do other stuff in a zone behind them

it just gives people more to do

[minor fractal]

R1C1 is also very easy

Like, turrets almost full kill

[hardy grotto]

R7d2 is also pretty easy tbh

[minor fractal]

and then players have to fight each other to get any entertainment from shooting

[hardy grotto]

it just has a ton of rss

[jagged shore]

right, i agree that's what makes it a better level in general
but most people seem to like the shooting sim role in r7d2 but still find r1c1 boring

[minor fractal]

Yeah, but it's actually spawning giants and bosses

And sentries don't clear all

[hardy grotto]

Enemy variety and less downtime probs then

and you don’t spend the entire thing shooting on the same tile

That might be another factor

[minor fractal]

Difficulty is also very scaleable

If you want to shoot more

you open more doors

[sturdy glen]

there are also loads of ways to make r7d2 funner ^ yea

[hardy grotto]

don’t stand on the bridge

[sturdy glen]

typically hack locks are never opened, consumables arent abused unless someone wants to solo pmom

sentry not always used

r1c1 still isnt enough enemies even if you do that

its basically just fighting an alarm wave without scans

[hardy grotto]

Wait but I should like it then

I love not having to sit on scans

[sturdy glen]

for 30 minutes straight*

actually no youd still like it you like samdown

[hardy grotto]

so real

nah there’s not enough tanks

[sturdy glen]

true actually

[upper ginkgo]

playing samdown but you're forced to run boss kill

[hardy grotto]

I might actually crash out

on f1

After fighting the 400th tank

That might be the breaking point for me

[upper ginkgo]

it's ok

it's gonna be my time to run boss kill

[hardy grotto]

no

You’re the waveclear bitch

Shoot those smalls

[sturdy glen]

I needa upload a video of an average r7d2 clear

the community needs this resource I think

[hardy grotto]

What even is an average r7d2 anymore

[ocean spindle]

4 hel rifles

no

3 hel rifles

one scattergun

[sturdy glen]

full kill 2 1 1 split probably

with punishment waves for ending

[hardy grotto]

Is that average

[sturdy glen]

I mean its what we do everytime we play it

[hardy grotto]

Idk I played it with Jack a bunch and eventually it hit a point where we just wanted fast clears

So all zones was like annoying

[sturdy glen]

ig I shoulld edit that

its less kill all and more kill all bosses

[hardy grotto]

I think all zones is fairly average tho

[sturdy glen]

open all, get as far as you get before someoen finds pw term on each side

then open all again and hunt down all the bosses

[wanton flint]

why are the pips on my bio scanner red and tiny

[tiny wyvern]

Bug

[wanton flint]

ah

[tiny wyvern]

https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/1255623780706029588

Here

[wanton flint]

insects

[onyx pagoda]

So like, I wanna get back into the game again I haven't played in a long time. As well as I never really knew professionally how to play so uh... quick rundown or tips-

[tiny wyvern]

There's stamina now

And... that's it?

Most of the old advice is still valid

Sniper is nerfed to hell

And hel weapons are still op

[waxen echo]

I still don't know what hell weapons do I know they hurt real bad

[prime musk]

they pierce

[mortal tide]

yeh they can hit multiple enemies
hel revo and hel shotty can pierce 2 enemies
hel gun 4
hel rifle 6

[prime musk]

(hel rifle is limited to 5 because game is well programmed)

[civic wave]

i guess hel rifle can technically only hit 5 despite having a value of 6 because there's a coded limit on the number of pierces

[mortal tide]

Well there is a mod to fix it but on the stat sheet it says it can hit 6 and I will stick to that

[prime musk]

"my source is wrong and provably so but i will stick to agreeing with my source"

[sturdy glen]

I think thats called being based

quite literally

[civic wave]

bring back sniper sentry 5 pierce

where's the first version of the helauto pen fix mod

imagine the chaos that could've been

[knotty relic]

My Favorite

[frail heart]

sticking with ur guns i like it

[mortal tide]

Hey, it's supposed to have 6 pierce
And it is a fixable issue
So objectively
It does have 6 pen, even it it is unreliable

[frail heart]

100% unreliable

[mortal tide]

It doesn't really matter but yeah
(I still run the fix mod, someday waiting for the 6 collateral)

[grizzled patrol]

Ngl i do believe that Base Game it doesnt even Matter. In modded tho If you crank Up the enemy spawns and give insane pen it would Sound very fun

[mortal tide]

Yeah no, the only time you would ever hit a 6 pen would be maybe on a surge alarm

[prime musk]

be me
fail 2 r5b1 solos in a row due to failing a hel rifle reload cancel on wave 7
incredible, fuck hel rifle im going back to bc
bc reload makes it so much comfier in every way

[silent delta]

doesnt it suck way more against chargers

[prime musk]

it does but i clear more consistently with it

the advantage is that it's infinitely better against big chargers and hybrids

i have like 2 clears with hel rifle and 5 with bc in practice (and 1 with bc in an actual run that died in secondary because i rolled 0 fog reps and 0 tripmines because of course i did)

[silent delta]

i think u mean bbcs

is it that much better against hybrids?

the problem i have is the hybrids stay at the back and i charge up my bc and hten 20 billion chargers jump in front of the hybrid

GET DOWN MR PRESIDENT

at least hel rifle still hits the hybrid then

[prime musk]

yes, when you're being hit by 6 within 15 seconds it is

[silent delta]

just get the 6 to come at you in a straight line 5head