gtfo-related-questions

[urban oriole]

as in thats where the fun in duo comes

[halcyon current]

Never duo'd tbh

I am atm in GTFO limbo while thr group plays catch up

[urban oriole]

lol

omw to summon chaos

[sleek drift]

Is shooting better just hitting crit spots

Cuz I can do that pretty consistently

I’ve played a lot of fps b4 so my aim is acceptable

[urban oriole]

its very situation specific

i always switch between spraying and aiming carefully

ideally you let the enemies come to your crosshair, thats the best aim strategy in any game

[prime musk]

if you're hitting your shots "shooting better" mostly means target priority and (this is something i learned the hard way playing solo/duo) to keep up
hitting all the shots is irrelevant if you aren't shooting enough to begin with. letting enemies stack is really really bad in solos

in 4p everyone can kinda chill with the shooting but with a quarter of the firepower you don't get away with it, at all

[sleek drift]

Ah

[soft crater]

[upbeat epoch]

Hey, i heard that the hel gun and hel rifle used to not give out its full pierce. Is this still a thing?

same thing with the hel auto not piercing

[fathom ice]

hel rifle pierces 5 instead of 6 iirc

and hel gun is 4

[fathom ice]

sentry or pistol?

[upbeat epoch]

the sentry

[fathom ice]

they both pierce normally

[upbeat epoch]

what does "iirc" mean?

[tardy ingot]

hel rifle doesnt get its full pierce (6 enemies hit) for why exactly ask tru0067
hel auto sentry didnt pierce for a while in R8 due to it not being done correctly, but does so know and even has a bug where it gets back dmg (smth no other sentry does). Its still an ultra niche sentry tho

[minor fractal]

Piercing has a global cap of 5 limbs pierced.

So, weapons with high enemies pierced can hit easily hit trajectories that penetrate through 5 limbs before hitting all of the allowed enemies.

So, HEL Rifle can pierce 6 enemies, but it necessarily can't hit more than 5 since each enemy hit counts as hitting a limb, and it will sometimes only be able to hit 3 or 4 enemies because multiple limbs are in the path per enemy.

[upbeat epoch]

ah alright

thanks for the info!

[fathom ice]

tq team for correcting me 😔

[minor fractal]

Isn't really a problem on HEL Shotgun or HEL Revo, because it is very hard to hit 5 different limbs on 1 enemy, so you'll basically always hit the second enemy.

np.

[fallen kite]

If you want specific targets to prioritise.

Crawling strikers are fast as shit, anything thats licking you ( stagger it if you know you can ) , shooters, and hybrids right before they start their barrage

[trim sorrel]

my squad's having some trouble with r2d1, sheer number of enemy encounters plus lots of fog is a lot to handle - anyone remember how they got through that one?

the r2c2 (?) alarm malfunction one was a hassle but we've been stuck on this one for longer

[tardy ingot]

what are your tools (and guns) and where are you failing usually?

also what order are you trying to get the cells in?

[trim sorrel]

our last try we were running 3x sentry (2 shotgun 1 sniper) and a biotracker, with an assortment of different guns - we get around halfway with 2/5 cells in in the main room and the extra cell for the locked zone but we're usually pretty low on resources and infected so we tend to get taken out by the next large wave (whether from an alarm or screwing up stealth)

quite possible we just have to be better and conserve ammo/health but it seems quite difficult to keep infection down

[tardy ingot]

definetly take a mine deployer (drop a sentry for it)

and do not take shotgun sentries

[trim sorrel]

oh, interesting

[tardy ingot]

(they miss a lot but even when they hit they dont do much and they eat through tool) take a burst sentry instead. Unless you are exclusively trying to have the sentry to deal with bigger enemies (chargers and giants) it will basically always be best. For those sniper is good then tho (obviously keep your bio always)

the mine deployer will make the blood doors a lot easier

you dont have to give it tool refill realistically as you only need to use mines when absolutely worth it

so the 2 sentries will get it all

[trim sorrel]

actually great point on the blood doors

[woeful flicker]

ohhhh

[tardy ingot]

also which "locked door" do you mean?

[woeful flicker]

yeah that does make sense

[trim sorrel]

door to 614 or something that needs a cell to open

[tardy ingot]

oh the ressource zone

[woeful flicker]

yeah

it had a cell in it

[tardy ingot]

yea its good to go in there as the return on ressources (and the return cell) makes it a good deal

but only do so after having done the alarm for the cell

realistic path is to do the alarm first (either 613 or 611 iirc, its rng between them)

then do the 2 blood doors once youve gotten the ressource room cell plugged in

after that you only need 1 more from the key

[trim sorrel]

ok ok

seems like we could do a lot better pathing wise certainly

[vagrant nacelle]

Heres a thing I've actually done the maths on how long, based on one of the dauda audio log, it takes one striker to break a hole in a blood door

And recommendation dont It almost drove me insane

[trim sorrel]

lol

[tardy ingot]

some general tips for the level

1. dont be scared to shoot a scout and then melee (or if necessary shoot) the room. Stealth if you can but pulling scout + room is worse

2. dont stealth IN fog, if theres enemies in fog, kill as much as you can then pull them with a gun shot (or let an enemy scream)

3. use fog repellers well
   with the right use youll have 0% infection until you go into the blood doors

[trim sorrel]

noted noted

[woeful flicker]

this is very helpful, thank you

[native sun]

@trim sorrel Eva's tips are all excellent. I personally recommend a slightly different route (this one gets you access to the disinfect station, which isn't necessary by any means, but does make things more lenient in terms of taking infection)
#gtfo-related-questions message

[woeful flicker]

thanks!

[tardy ingot]

disinfection station is definetly a decent trade off for the slightly harder alarm that you do in that path

[native sun]

I think my main reason from shying away from recommending immediately going for the next alarm is that I think some teams may be struggling for resources at that point. It is a much easier alarm if you do it at that point but especially if the stealth has gone wrong up until then I could easily see teams running out.

The 608 alarm is much more difficult, but the route means you get the resource zone just beforehand, so you should be going in with full everything.

[tardy ingot]

hmm
I def see the argument

My concern would be that if someone is out of res by that point through stealth (3 zones with solid ressources) then theyd probably not get through the blood door (for key) and actual alarm scan zone with enough res

[rapid oracle]

hey, does anyone know the spawn cooldown on mothers/pmothers?

was looking it up and couldn't find anything on the wiki or online

[native sun]

I'll have a dig for it

[native sun]

For mothers, between 10 and 40 seconds, depending on how many enemies she spawned with her last birth. Assuming she gets a full birth off it'll be 40 seconds.
(Note: measured from when she starts birthing, so really around 30 seconds from once you've finished dealing with the birth)

For pMother, same deal, but between 8 and 28 seconds.

[rapid oracle]

thanks, was asking because my squad was about to face a pmother, we just cleared r5d1 secondary 😅

[native sun]

Also updated the wiki with it, so if anyone else asks https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Enemy_Attacks#Birth

[native sun]

Good luck prisoner o7

[sleek drift]

Any1 got advice for r2d2? Me and the team somehow first try d1 and we’re probably gonna tackle d2 tmrw

[flat oar]

better wake up scout than repeat reactor wave and dont afraid to pull the room

[fleet tusk]

guys is there a map/mod where I can practice weapon/melee?

[flat oar]

You can practice your weapon with cconsole

[fleet tusk]

ummm how to do it?

[flat oar]

Just install using thunderstore or r2modman you can find more info in #hc-modded

[fleet tusk]

alright thanks for the info there

[safe cradle]

If you dont want to use the console, R2E1 has a scout basically in front of you at the start.

[tardy ingot]

starting the first alarm in r6b1 is honestly more chill

Permanent waves in decent lighting

[safe cradle]

Yeah I meant for scouts specifically since when people are to train on meleeing enemies, it's usually scouts

[neon plaza]

that one D2 mission has like 4 charger scouts at the very beginning :)

[fleet tusk]

ah alright thanks for the information there

[ocean spindle]

uh rinse and repeat
and time to practice ur aim and enemy patterns

[fathom ice]

pray

[flat oar]

no need to pray if we use grenade launcher

[fathom ice]

(c)lockout 2

[prime musk]

hel rifle

[fading oriole]

Weird question but has anyone ever had an issue where typing underscore ( _ ) in the terminal doesn't work for me, I have to use my laptop keyboard not the external keyboard I use to game with.

[neon plaza]

have you tried typing 2 ( _ )?

[digital mural]

Are You sure You don't need to type like Shift + (_)?

[hard nexus]

Tbh defend on bridge the whole thing and find codes quick

[fading oriole]

Okay so found out the issue it had nothing to do with what I thought I did, it was cat related. Pretty sure my cat must have walked on my keyboard at some point and disabled the key via razer synapse

[digital mural]

eat the cat

[vagrant nacelle]

What

[digital mural]

easy solution

[fading oriole]

My issue was the key itself was disabled

[vagrant nacelle]

Not the kat

[fading oriole]

Kit kat is safe and will not be eaten

[sleek drift]

should we take 2 mgs for d2 since its c1 part 2

[urban oriole]

if you ask anyone here if you should take machine guns, you'll always get a no xd

[sleek drift]

i dunno if our squad can use stuff like the hel gun/rifle super well and get full value

[errant dome]

its not quite c1 part 2, d2 is a diff in that u get alot and i mean alot more awake enemies, also way more big guys especially

[sleek drift]

we can take burst cannon and whatnot

big guys haven't been super problematic for us

[errant dome]

well here is the thing with those guns, u dont have 2 get max pen, being able to consistently hit 2 targets is already way more value than most guns

[prime musk]

^

bring hel rifles and sawed off/hel revo and you'll be fine

sniper is viable if the player can hit hybrids

[sleek drift]

idk if we can even hit collats consistently

[errant dome]

in fact, getting more than 3 most of the time is not practical, 3 is the sweet spot usually, but if ur not confident with aim 2 is more than fine already

[sleek drift]

we haven't really touched hel weapons except revo tbh

[errant dome]

where are u defending exactly might i ask?

[sleek drift]

havent tried d2 yet, just drafting a plan lol

[tardy ingot]

Then this is a good level to learn doing so

[errant dome]

well missing 1 or 2 shots happens to everyone is not a big deal

[sleek drift]

sir yes sir

[tardy ingot]

regarding mgs

Taking 1 as a comfort and decent close/mid range wave clear option is fine

[sleek drift]

oki

[tardy ingot]

other than that

Burst cannon/hel rifle are the easy winners to take (more hel rifles than burst cannons)

and well the typical reactor loadout of 3 sentry + bio

[sleek drift]

2 burst 1 sniper i assume?

[prime musk]

the more 1 tap weapons you bring the more sniper sentries you want

[errant dome]

also bc is very good for this lvl yea, especially if u feel like ur struggling with big guys

[sleek drift]

1 tap weapons like sniper bc etc?

[prime musk]

weapons that oneshot smalls

[sleek drift]

ah

[tardy ingot]

eeh

[sleek drift]

so like sawed off

[tardy ingot]

i honestly disagree

[prime musk]

mainly talking sawed off / hel rifle / high cal etc

[tardy ingot]

burst sentry will mostly be there to cover enemies close

[sleek drift]

there should be plently of resources yea

[tardy ingot]

you either

1. arent good at shooting and need sentries to cover (burst >> sniper)

2. are decent and let some through (burst >> sniper)

3. are ry good and have basically no leaks (burst >> sniper)

sniper sentry becomes better vs bigger enemies (as in you struggle with the giants or later rundown chargers)

[sleek drift]

ic

i think we'll take 2 sniper 1 burst then

[prime musk]

why would you prefer burst is you have no leaks

[sleek drift]

i trust in my squad and i's aim

[tardy ingot]

Btw this is also why you shouldnt be too worried about collats making or breaking hel weapons

Hel rifle with no collat = 9 kills/refill

veruta at perfect efficiency may be 20. but even getting just the bodyshot efficiency (13/refill) is honestly harder than getting any pen on hel rifle

[errant dome]

sniper sentries always shoot giant heads first right, or they at least try to

[tardy ingot]

better for alarms
Doesnt potentially instagib you

Doesnt shoot randomly when you kill the enemy anyway

[tardy ingot]

Unless you struggle with giants id just go 2-3 burst

[sleek drift]

Oh aight, yeah giants are not bad

[prime musk]

better for alarms is the big sell here tbh

[tardy ingot]

burst sentrys have synergy with each other basically

Other sentries dont rly

[prime musk]

the other points are kinda null to me because they're just skill issue but yeah

[tardy ingot]

yea

but tbh

If you can mostly solo/duo hold reactor waves the level is a cakewalk with or without sentries

[prime musk]

i don't think r2d2 is solo holdable in 4p tbh just because half the wave immediately runs behind you and doesn't line up for pen

[tardy ingot]

To explain this

Burst sentrys dont rly steal their own kills
They swap target mid burst if smth dies

Sniper sentries often shoot the same thing if placed even remotely together. So you have to space them a bit, which just isnt worth it for their value hs smalls over burst sentries imo

[tardy ingot]

wave splitting go brr

[prime musk]

later waves you hold several directions so that isn't a problem though

[tardy ingot]

what angles are you placing sniper sentries at where their value isnt dependent on giant type enemy kills

bridge to spawn -> yes
But thats also main hold spot anyhow

bridge to reactor is awkward af for sniper sentry

[prime musk]

their kill/refill is worse for smalls than burst sentries but they kill pretty fast tbh

[tardy ingot]

sniper sentry is probably better for reactor hold

But who actually does that

(In general lobbies)

[prime musk]

fair

[tardy ingot]

also if its split waves sniper sentrys do depend on bio

sniper sentry starts shining hard on like r4d1 and so on tho obviously

[prime musk]

sniper sentry kills 1 small per 2.6s

without bio

[tardy ingot]

gotta add the sentry part 💀

[prime musk]

i think the number is accurate either way tbh

[errant dome]

LOL

poor sniper

[tardy ingot]

Isnt it 2.8?

[prime musk]

wiki numbers give me 2.6

[sleek drift]

How do u do that, seems like a useful skill to learn

[tardy ingot]

no like
Its bad

enemies splitting up vs being in a line

[tardy ingot]

Weird it says 2.8 for me?

[sleek drift]

But like less enemies in an area?? Ig hel rifle can bank off of them lining up more?

[tardy ingot]

also gotta remember sniper sentry has to start up/lock on

And then re lock on for every shot

[prime musk]

detection speed is not fire rate

sniper sentry targeting is funny

[tardy ingot]

you dont get less

They are just fanned out

[prime musk]

as long as a target remain it it's target area

[sleek drift]

Oh ic

[tardy ingot]

sniper sentry sucks so hard if it doesnt get to shoot the first shot

[prime musk]

it keeps firing at the fire rate

[tardy ingot]

Yes

[sleek drift]

Ok so triple burst sentry is what I’m hearing

[prime musk]

triple burst and take burst cannon/hel rifle

[tardy ingot]

Have you seen sniper sentry not shoot after 10 sevonds

[prime musk]

i have and it's kinda funny

[sleek drift]

2 hel rifle + bc + scatter?

[prime musk]

no scatter tbh

[sleek drift]

And whatever mains we feel like running

[tardy ingot]

You can take a sniper sentry

Its good to have since youll not place 3 sentries for most of it anyhow

[prime musk]

i'd rather see sniper

[tardy ingot]

Zeds gone

reduced to splatter

[sleek drift]

So swap sentries out after every wave

[prime musk]

you're talking to the guy trying to solo r2d2 carrying sniper

[errant dome]

if u take scatter ur more likely to shoot the person with scatter lmao

[prime musk]

im a lost cause

[sleek drift]

Is a hel autopistol good btw

[tardy ingot]

eeeh

more like just refill them and put third down if you feel pressured

(Pick up if necessary to move obviously)

[sleek drift]

Yeah I figured, prob just like another bc or something idk

[sleek drift]

Aight

[tardy ingot]

generally - decent/good (depending on word meaning for the person) gun

More utility focused. Not that great on r2d2

[sleek drift]

The stalling is super nice tho

[tardy ingot]

BC + hel rifles (high cal and veruta are fine aswell, just dont stack mgs lol) work well enough vs giants

2 burst cannons is overstacking imo

[tardy ingot]

Not worth on reactor

[errant dome]

in general? imo prolly most underrateds weapon in the game, it is somewhat outshined by hel shotgun but overall still pretty good, for this lvl in particular its not THAT useful because its better to have more killing power

[tardy ingot]

have you seen what kinda stupid shit i do challenge wise?

I getcha

[sleek drift]

Ok so tldr more gun = better in d2

[tardy ingot]

i remember the fuckng sniper + melee r3d1

Funny times

[prime musk]

i don't think it's outshined by hel shotgun
it's much nicer vs single target stuff so i think it is much more comfy with niche specials

[tardy ingot]

its more utility, far less kill power

[prime musk]

fair enough everyone playing the game goes insane eventually

[fathom ice]

👁️ 👁️

[tardy ingot]

how far have you cleared again?

dont wanna spoil

[prime musk]

i have spoiled myself

[fathom ice]

wait are u not done with the game what

[prime musk]

but i have some of r5 left, some of r6 and most or r7 and entire r8

[fathom ice]

WHAT

[tardy ingot]

kk

[fathom ice]

every day i'm further from god

[errant dome]

its more niche than hel shotgun is prolly more accurate statement, a good amount of situations where hel auto pistol would be gud hel shotgun does better

[tardy ingot]

meleeing kraken 💀

made me hate and appreciate spear even more

[prime musk]

why is this surprising

[errant dome]

i like and use autopistil more mostly cause i like fast reload

[fathom ice]

u have like 900 hours

and good solos

[prime musk]

yeah but

[fathom ice]

so

therefore

[sleek drift]

is triple hel rifle too much

[tardy ingot]

I mean

[prime musk]

2/3rds of playtime is solo/duo stuff

[tardy ingot]

i finished the game at around 2.9k?

[errant dome]

im suprised u havent touched r8 at all

[fathom ice]

eva game wasn't out at that point

[sleek drift]

gaming god

[fathom ice]

stop capping

[tardy ingot]

breh

[fathom ice]

:3

[errant dome]

what do u have on r5 left

[errant dome]

dis guy

[tardy ingot]

i still have the first r8e2 clear

gamer

[fathom ice]

i lost it somewhere

god bless Sen

[soft crater]

[errant dome]

i cleared the game with i think 432 hours?

[prime musk]

c2 c3 d2 e1

[errant dome]

smthin like that

[fathom ice]

yea me like 350 or smth

[fathom ice]

no d1 poggers

[errant dome]

no d1 at least nice

[prime musk]

im like on the verge of clearing c2 pe solo

[tardy ingot]

honestly i wish we had gotten my ideal r8e2

[prime musk]

but it is so annoying to grind

[soft crater]

Me clearing the game at like 2k

[errant dome]

what would that be

[fathom ice]

is it surge long kite time

[prime musk]

no reactor sucks

like everything else is fine

[fathom ice]

can u solo ov even consistently

[errant dome]

wave 4 is prolly omega tight on time no?

[prime musk]

yes

[fathom ice]

with what

[prime musk]

giant capping

[fathom ice]

that's

[soft crater]

The only gtfo stream on twitch is in Russian

[fathom ice]

lame

[fathom ice]

am I streaming chat

[errant dome]

actually question, if u repeat wave 4, does mom also spawn again

[soft crater]

I think Wesley is there?

[prime musk]

wave 4 doesn't spawn mom

[fathom ice]

giant cap is just sad ngl

[prime musk]

wave 4 does suck

it's the worst part of reactor by far

mom is better

tank is better

[fathom ice]

i've almost done r7d2 w giant cap so

[prime musk]

wave 4 is awful

[errant dome]

ah was it 6 then?

[fathom ice]

wave 6 spawns mom

[errant dome]

i just remember w4 being a pain in da ass

[prime musk]

wave 4 is chargers + hybrids

way too many

[fathom ice]

with what are u wave clearing even

[prime musk]

sawed off hel rifle

[fathom ice]

????

and this guy says tank and mom better

smh

[errant dome]

ya hybrids would always destroy me when me and my static were trying to get our first clear

my aim was even more ass then xd

[prime musk]

you have not tried to solo wave 4 of r5c2 reactor, clearly

[fathom ice]

because

why

[errant dome]

i mean u have a c-foam grenade for mom no?

[soft crater]

Sky. I'm cringing from him eating a ammopack but not reloading.

[fathom ice]

yea gl navigating in wave 6

[fathom ice]

my boy

[errant dome]

touche

[fathom ice]

cuz i assume he has no bio so no idea where mom is

it's just rough

[prime musk]

i have been switching between sniper sentry and mine deployer

mine deployer is more comfy

[sleek drift]

what a goat

[civic wave]

not really bleat

[fathom ice]

god damn

[civic wave]

pubs can carry everything, i could make new acc and clear game in 240 hours probs

[soft crater]

[tardy ingot]

Overload added: overload cuts timers to ~1 hour total (with overload giving just enough time to beat overload) this means youll get nightmare error for many teams on extract

Overload is a thunderdome with nightmare scouts in waves, moms, tanks, potato and snatchers.

Term for code 3 is in back, but room has no scouts and instead another boss like enemy added

Shadow class 6 spawns loads of shadow giants

Kraken fight has snatchers spawn (and work) from the fake close sec door

Ending alarm has more enemy diversity (flyers/bbcs and enemies spawn closer and from the „room“ behind)

[tardy ingot]

🧀

[fathom ice]

that's F tier eva

[errant dome]

i beat the game with my static, tho i did do pubs of lvls ive cleared before in those 432 hours with some more experienced players who taught me alot about how da game works, so take from that what u will shrug

[fathom ice]

or very high E tier ngl

[tardy ingot]

Nuggies with his ~25 hour clear (any% on a fresh account was so funny ngl)

[tardy ingot]

the tier is based on the base level

Overload and thus pe woulde been optional

[fathom ice]

oh

what if u have to do PE

just like sec in e2

[tardy ingot]

thats exactly what isnt what wouldve been wanted

since overload makes the time you get per term smaller

[fathom ice]

:(

[tardy ingot]

and at that point you just have an actual F tier if the PE is forced

sadly some of these things dont work (snatchers bug out in the tile, so do flyers at the end etc)

[errant dome]

so overload would be at beggining like just a terminal command? as for the code 3 thing, do u mean like a brand new boss enemy or smthin like a tank or megamom?

[fathom ice]

megatank

[tardy ingot]

smth like tank or potato or sleeping snatcher added to the room

[fathom ice]

with gigaballs

[errant dome]

immunity to scattergun specifically :p

[tardy ingot]

and yes

basically in the unused room on the right at spawn

[fathom ice]

fr

[tardy ingot]

like r5c2 ovl

[errant dome]

i see i see, would be interesting thats for sure

tho that 1h in overload oof

u would need 2 go like basically max speed

[fathom ice]

average pub is 1:20

smh

[errant dome]

smthin like that

[tardy ingot]

its time wise designed to give people less time for kraken specifically and thus force nightmare error to spawn on extract aswell

which, with the added bigger enemy diversity makes that a lot more challenging to deal with vs a cake walk with frame issues

[tardy ingot]

well an R8E2PE would be the pinnacle of gtfo

but well

Spiff would be on it til 2027

[fathom ice]

yeah

[errant dome]

i get the extractpart but if ur still fighting the kraken and the nightmare surge starts u would just be fucked i think lmao, idk if u can rlly brute force ur way out without running out of resources

[tardy ingot]

thats.. the point

its an E tier PE

if you are out of time at kraken you lose

[errant dome]

whats wr glicthless again

[fathom ice]

41

41:44 or smth

btw eva go verify that 41 min run

[errant dome]

tho thats doing reactor and 2nd class 6 at the same time right?

u might just have 2 do that in PE lmao

[fathom ice]

wave 1 first class 6

wave 2 shadows

wave 3 kraken

[tardy ingot]

Theres like 11 runs ahead of it

Well 10 cuz im not doing progress on the any% until weekend lol

[tardy ingot]

No lol

for PE youd just have to get to the ending scan before time runs out

[fathom ice]

how far are u in any%?

[tardy ingot]

like

R2

lol

[fathom ice]

evaAAAA

[tardy ingot]

im the only one checking it out and it needs me to sit on it for hours

[fathom ice]

i'd just verify it saying i watched kek

[tardy ingot]

i need to verify all the milliseconds

and add them up

need to check for desync moments

potential glitches

etc

booster scrolls

[fathom ice]

can't u check them before drop

[errant dome]

well can u do that without doing the class 6 + reactor at the same time, isnt that like a massive time save? especially factoring in like reactor w3 code will prolly take at least 1 full extra min with termi being at the back, idk maybe im underestimating how much time u have, i feel like 1h is rlly not alot xd

[tardy ingot]

yes
if done there

and thats still going through 83 drops

[tardy ingot]

Yes you can lol

[errant dome]

crazy

[tardy ingot]

veterans can pretty easily get to around 1 hour times if they want to

[fathom ice]

yea sub 1 hour is not that hard

[errant dome]

well that i know xd, but i thought the whole reactor+class6 at the same time was needed for that

[fathom ice]

naw

[errant dome]

i see

[fathom ice]

both class 6 cut about 6-7 mins or so

[tardy ingot]

youd just need to play fast

but like
Obviously its rly hard

[fathom ice]

but that's the point

so

[errant dome]

very easy 2 fk up

[fathom ice]

yep

[tardy ingot]

i still wanna revisit e2 for a 22 min time ngl

[fathom ice]

eva what about glitchless

:3

[fading oriole]

So I woke up in hydrostasis pod right? Plummeting into a dark hole... Who knows what's down here. Everything runs around like it's trying to recreate kamasutra positions.

And then I bumped into a scout for the first time... It's feelers touched me and it rang the dinner bell, I died shortly after

But hey I found a cool looking mold of jelloh

[prime musk]

what mods are allowed while speedrunning

[fathom ice]

they are not allowed

[tardy ingot]

I tend to avoid running E tiers for personal reasons

I get a very foul taste in my mouth whenever I think of the shit that was done

[fathom ice]

ew

[tardy ingot]

theres only mods allowed for the modded category board

But i couldnt tell you which, as thats the only board where im not active (tho tbf, theres like 1 run every 5 months on there)

[prime musk]

i was thinking of someone (read: not me idk how to) writing a speedrunning mod that just disables boosters etc

[fathom ice]

u can like

not use

boosters

idk

[tardy ingot]

they are banned yea

[fathom ice]

like all u need is vanilla and boosterless pmuch

[tardy ingot]

Theres 2 1/2 ways we can check for boosters

and having a mod means entry barrier for new players is higher

[fathom ice]

everything else is depending on category

[tardy ingot]

So unless necessary mods wont be in vanilla speeds

[civic wave]

oops i forgot to booster scroll

[tardy ingot]

you solo anyway

[fathom ice]

exactly

[tardy ingot]

[civic wave]

i am not single, how dare you

[prime musk]

fair enough

[tardy ingot]

but like

• drop screen showing no boosters into starting
• booster scroll (or multiple povs)
• logs (not 100% secure in case of early drop bug/fast equip)

are used to verify

[tardy ingot]

[soft crater]

Watching streams and seeing bots actually save them from meleeing giants is funny.

[sleek drift]

Not even the glow stick power????

😭

[hasty crane]

does anyone know about a video or post that explains enemy spawn mechanics in gtfo
i have tried looking around on youtube and have not found anything

[sleek drift]

Iirc they have to spawn like 2 rooms away from you? But I don’t think that’s like set in stone since I’ve had guys spawn on me before

[tardy ingot]

basic rules, more advanced or in super detail?

[hasty crane]

i know some basic stuff about spawns when preparing for bioscans, but I get confused when preparing for the exceptions
like reactor tests and constant alarms

[tardy ingot]

basic rules are explained in basically every scaler level guide, his alarm guide (and most probably his beginner guide) aswell as my "how to get started" guide

The more advanced stuff (reactor/uplink etc) is somewhat in scalers alarm guide. But not elsewhere rly (wiki maybe?). I am working on one

the details youd have to ask for among vets

[soft crater]

Reactors / uplinks I presume.

Ye

[hasty crane]

that and knowing which/ how many rooms I have to clear adjacent to a bioscan room so sleeping enemies don't wake up

I'll definitely check out the alarm guide

[fallen kite]

reactor spawn mechanics 💀

[tardy ingot]

theres always exceptions (unique cases) like say an error having set spawns (cant spawn anywhere but 1 specific room)

But in general error alarms work the same as normal alarms

reactor cant spawn in the reactor room under normal rules. Tru has made a detailed writeup on it, but the basic idea is that if a reactor wave isnt forced to spawn from 1 direction, then players push spawns out into every direction, depending on how far away the furthest person is away from the reactor itself.

[fallen kite]

( I hate this shit )

[tardy ingot]

just 1

enemies only scream in your room or 1 room away

the only other way for them to wake up is by a door breaking if they are super close to it

[hasty crane]

I see
i thought they spawned 2 rooms away

[fallen kite]

nono they spawn 2 rooms away

[soft crater]

I love r6b2 sec iirc. Where they spawn 1 room at that one uplink

[tardy ingot]

.

[hasty crane]

I understand

ty for the clarification

[fallen kite]

mfw I watch the bbc appear in the other room

[tardy ingot]

thats just uplink rules (only spawn in your zone)

exception being r8b3 and r7c3 (aswell as double uplinks)

[vagrant nacelle]

Hah the acronyms we use are weird

[tardy ingot]

hm?

[soft crater]

Me dying inside when the pub wants to push out and wave spawns ontop of terminal

[neon plaza]

they're helping you kill the wave faster by bringing the spawn closer

time is money

[fallen kite]

which'll make the waves spawn more often

🙄

[neon plaza]

delicious

[soft crater]

If only uplink ended so waves stopped

[neon plaza]

someone's not bringing +200% terminal speed

🙄

[soft crater]

Sorry I didn't pick technician. I was playing gas breather

[fallen kite]

stop trolling

trail blazer is always teh correct pick

[soft crater]

1. Miss me with that infection.
2. Tool power
3. Global fog reps

[fallen kite]

okay but

I can long kite the matriarch

surge alarm

🙄

what can you do huh

breathe in spicy air

??

[soft crater]

Me: looks at soul nuker

[fallen kite]

on a side note

i'm playing R3B1 solo and this first alarm is genuinely awful dude

the enemies spawn up my asscrack

[soft crater]

I forgor what r3b1 is like.

I only know r3d1

[fallen kite]

it has

2 uplinks

i think they're either 3 or 4 codes

[tardy ingot]

most forgettable level for the general community in r3

[fallen kite]

yes

it has nothing noteable

idk why it's a level

[tardy ingot]

im just plagued with knowing it

[fallen kite]

every other lvl in R3 has SOMETHING cool in it

maybe not A2, but A2 is unique and fun

[tardy ingot]

A2 is in a way also unique

[fallen kite]

yeah, no alarm doors

[tardy ingot]

R3A2 is also a legit 4 way split if you want

[fallen kite]

👍

[tardy ingot]

R3C1 honestly is so shit

its such a long
"do this to do this to do this" just to get a charger error thats the 1 part people remember

[fallen kite]

yeah it's got something cool

and it's got that one zone with like

[tardy ingot]

shitty ass lvl

[fallen kite]

a bajillion sleepers

but it is a horribly designed level- the rng is crazy

[soft crater]

I see many ppl just crumble at error

[tardy ingot]

legit one of my least fav speedruns

[soft crater]

They just like. They either rush in and die or stand around not knowing what they need to do after opening

Is r3c1 the next time you see error door after R2E1?

[fallen kite]

TYES

[prime musk]

what cell does player 4 get

there are only 3 blood doors with cells no?

[soft crater]

That's another thing. A lot of ppl I see don't know what errors are when they reach r3c1

[tardy ingot]

starting zone

while clearing the giants and leaking blood door enemies

[prime musk]

oh yeah because teamscan on all the doors and stuff

so no time to carry starting cell

[tardy ingot]

well "door"

theres 1 teamscan

and sadly that team scan (and kinda the gen cluster one) stop the level from being doable in 1 min

[prime musk]

can't wait for alt alt r3a2 that adds a checkpoint scan on every blood door

[tardy ingot]

alt alt r3a2 exists

with no teamscans

[prime musk]

and it's sub 1?

[tardy ingot]

sadly no

extract is too long

its like 1 1/2

its crazy

[prime musk]

ah right the extract fucking sucks

[tardy ingot]

that the extract takes just over half of an r1a1

[fathom ice]

L

[prime musk]

the issue of every game

when you get good enough

most of the time is spent not playing

(in this case standing one extract)

[neon plaza]

have u thought abt starting to play again?

that'd solve the issue I think

if you played the game instead of not playing

unless u wanted to spend ur time not playing

[sturdy glen]

run e tiers

its fun

(I am not payed to say this I swear)

[fathom ice]

r5e1 moment

[soft crater]

E2 when we finished scan and forgot about pmom

[fathom ice]

i knew about it

thought we'd kill it fast ngl

[soft crater]

I'm ngl. I was just getting baby swarmed along with 2 nightmares midst trying to fight tank

[prime musk]

at what point in the opening animation of a security door does the room count as open

when it's just a tiny gap you can shoot enemies inside without waking from sound (long/proximity aggro still applies)

but when it's open it's (duh) open

somewhere inbetween it stops being closed and it isn't when the animation finishes

[civic wave]

i'm pretty sure it is about when the animation finishes, but i have no forbidden datablock knowledge

gunshots appear to have a very slight duration

so you could shoot outside of aggro range and then walk into aggro range and the gunshot will trigger enemies

[minor fractal]

^ You can do this while jumping through doors, as well.

If you shoot, and then jump in while door is opening, the sound comes with you and wakes the room, even if you're very early in the animation.

[tardy ingot]

moving into a room does that yea
(funnily enough you can do the same when you get the void (door) bug

(allowing you to silent shoot in your actual room vs the loaded room )

[plucky hedge]

will there be new weapons eventually?

[digital mural]

the game development is finished

no more new content

[plucky hedge]

o

[native sun]

Uplink spawns change vs regular alarms is just that it restricts to the same zone as the uplink, ye?

Does it apply to corrupted uplinks?

R6D2 secondary and R5C3 don't (but they are just one area in those zones). R7C3 doesn't (but do those uplinks even have enemies or are those just the warden protocol enemies?).

[tardy ingot]

since theres not rly a situation thats "the norm" id say they dont (R5C3, R6D2, R8C1)

for normal uplink it just restricts to the zone with 2 exceptions

[native sun]

If you fully spawnblock an uplink zone do you get spawned on

Or does it force it out of the zone

[tardy ingot]

yes they spawn on you (example r6b2)

[native sun]

If you partially spawnblock (so there are 1 room spawns) does it prefer 1 room spawns

[tardy ingot]

yea

[native sun]

Epic

[tardy ingot]

tho

probably not if you leave a 2 room distance

like a broken daisy chain

i think it basically just works like r2e1 like that

where if you have someone in term room and 1 in spawn it wont spawn inbetween but on each other

[native sun]

Ye

[tardy ingot]

but yea you can spawn black to 1 room away if the zone size allows it

[native sun]

Ty

https://gtfo.fandom.com/wiki/Enemy_Spawning thanks you

[tardy ingot]

i will probably re-use parts of that for (when I do) the full alarm/spawn rule/setup video

[native sun]

What're the one room distance alarms?

[tardy ingot]

like all of them?

[fathom ice]

👁️👁️

[silk radish]

R6d2 secondary flyer alarm

[tardy ingot]

thats in room spawns due to how flyers have set spawns kinda

Flyers behave uniquely like that (see r6d1, r6d2sec, r8b4 etc)
R6D4 proves it borks them otherwise (they spawn in the ground)

[silk radish]

Yeah, was pulling that from the datablocks, guess that doesn't really fit

R8b2 travelling alarm is another candidate for 1 room away

Class 12 (r8d2)

[fathom ice]

chat we need to explain room dividers to ppl

[tardy ingot]

im making a full list with certain things

[silk radish]

Gotcha

[prime musk]

that's not entirely true, they also spawn inside walls

[tardy ingot]

even the ceiling kek

[native sun]

Aren't people always complaining about some alarm in R7B1

[prime musk]

the first one has funny 3 room away spawn but all the other alarms behave as normal

[past mesa]

Yeah

One room alarm

Randomly

[tardy ingot]

if we exclude uplinks then these are ones i can think off rn off the top of my hat

i might also add stuff in () if its not due to spawn rule but due to environment (aka you can potentially manipulate it into 2 room spawns or its only 1 possible room)

(R1B1 class 2 alarm)
(R2E1 1st surge)
(R3B2 1st alarm)
(R4C2 ((if blood door not pulled) 1st alarm)
(R5C1 1st class S)
R6D1? (Technically unique room)
R7B1 2nd alarm
(R7C2 first alarm)
R7C2 full room alarm
R8B2 big tp room alarm scans (unsure)
(R8B4 1st alarm)
R8D2 if class 12
R8D2 dual scan (some enemy groups)

I dont remember if r8c2 has 2 room or 1 room spawns on mri scan

Im excluding locked spawns like r6d3 (errors) or r7e1 full room chargers tho

@native sun

[tardy ingot]

?

you are thinking of r7b2?

[prime musk]

oh i am you're right

[tardy ingot]

I complained so fucking much during r7

[native sun]

R8D2 is just because there's no room for 2 rooms away, no?

[prime musk]

r7b1 i think alarm in big room to get case has 1 room away spawns?

[tardy ingot]

No
Class 12 is set to 1 room

[past mesa]

a lot in the list are

[tardy ingot]

if you reduce to class 4 (its acc just a different alarm obv) its 2 rooms

[tardy ingot]

Yea and they have ()

[past mesa]

Kk

[tardy ingot]

class 12 being 1 room is partially what makes it a challenge

[fathom ice]

and i was wondering why are they knocking on the other door smh

[past mesa]

You also have the spawn from elevator events to get less than one room spawns

Or the silly set spawn locations

[tardy ingot]

But yea theres like 4 normal non room locked alarms with actual 1 room spawns

and then theres r6d1

and well indont know about mri in r8c2

[past mesa]

MRI I think has set spawn points

[tardy ingot]

probably

[past mesa]

Or it feels that way

[tardy ingot]

i dont know

[past mesa]

Shadow giants can prove that they have at least 2

[tardy ingot]

i sadly didnt pay attention on c2

not my favourite level since the first part is so ?

i know the level
Just not the spawn positions during testin time

But yea hope that helped tru

I dont remember exactly what waves for the r8d2 dual scan were 1 room spawns and which 2 room (flyers obviously same one)

but i think @marble mist (sry for ping man) might know

[past mesa]

Is r7c2 room scan one distance

Isn’t it

[tardy ingot]

yes

Its in the list

[past mesa]

Ah

[tardy ingot]

oh you mean first one?

[past mesa]

No worries I was thinking about set spawn points

[tardy ingot]

i forgot about that one actually (tho it would be in brackets)

[past mesa]

You could included that

[tardy ingot]

i skipped it since i had the full room alarm on my mind from sec 1

i will edit it in

[past mesa]

A lot of the dimensions spawns are “one room”

in the most pragmatic sense that they break down one door

[native sun]

Apparently there are some 4, 5 and even 10 room distance things

Unclear if used

[tardy ingot]

o.O

[fathom ice]

😳

[native sun]

Unlucky, it was bait

The 10 room distance things are set spawns anyway

[tardy ingot]

R7E1 brazil skip with 14 room spawn

[vagrant nacelle]

What

[tardy ingot]

if you dont know about brazil skip

Theres videos that explain it

if you are confused about 14 rooms, thats the spawn distance you can technically get in the run (tho prob even further in theory if you wanted)

could go to like 16?

[sturdy glen]

and those enemies dont get stuck

chargers are just built different

[native sun]

Can from elevator spawns spawn on top of players (e.g. if the players are 2 rooms away)?

[fathom ice]

like 17 if u go into shadows

yes i just constructed a map in my head

[sturdy glen]

actually why DONT the chargers get stuck during brazil skip

ive never thought about this before

[tardy ingot]

isnt shadows just 5 rooms deep
2 for first, 3 for 2nd

which would add 2 on top of the 3 i used for extract direction)

[fathom ice]

they are built different

[fathom ice]

extract is 3 no?

[tardy ingot]

if players are in spawn, yes

[tardy ingot]

Yes

[fathom ice]

chargers 2 and extract 1

and shadows are 2 and 3

[tardy ingot]

yes

and 14 + 2

[native sun]

But not if you go two rooms away, ye, it'll just use the players closest to elevator

[fathom ice]

I'm tripping

[native sun]

ooo if you're 5 rooms from each other can they spawn in between

[tardy ingot]

No sky nvm

im tired

i misscounted 1 room

Its 15/17

[digital mural]

misinformation

smh

[tardy ingot]

Yup

[tardy ingot]

i only know that this can happen in modded with elevator spawns

never encountered in vanilla

[fathom ice]

chargers - room before room scan - room scan - A next zone - B next zone - respawn1 A - respawn1 (iidr if it's B or C) - respawn2 A - respawn2 B - respawn2 C - next zone hallway - reactor hallway - reactor - shadows A - shadows B - fog A - fog B - fog C

i need mental help

[tardy ingot]

it is 15 (17 for shadows)

[fathom ice]

yes

it's crazy how u get some maps straight up memorized

[native sun]

I think this is modded shenanigans

[tardy ingot]

ive got most maps fully memorized

lol

[tardy ingot]

might be

[native sun]

R8B4 uses from elevator, and duos have a solo hold with no spawns in between

[tardy ingot]

i sadly dont encounter the scenario in vanilla as often

[tardy ingot]

R8B4 broke and had it happen after checkpoint tho

Which is fixed by now iirc

but just for context

[vagrant nacelle]

Which one is b4 again by the way

[fathom ice]

Insurrection

[tardy ingot]

fog lowering the minigame + datasphere end carry

i could describe more

but

💀

[fathom ice]

don't

yes

[tardy ingot]

but ye sky

i can visualize like ~95% of all rooms in the game

photographic memory coupled with 3000 hours of being an idiot

[vagrant nacelle]

Okay yep that hellhole of a mission never played it my og squad left in like r5 or something like that

[fathom ice]

I memorize map usually after 7-8 clears so

[digital mural]

R8B4 pre-nerf was really funny

[vagrant nacelle]

And now my new squad are stuck in r3

Alt

[fathom ice]

r4e r7d2 e2 r3d1 r6c3 is all i have rn 🥺

[digital mural]

you will definitely have fun in R6C3 PE

the good kind of fun

[vagrant nacelle]

And now I'm stuck never beaten the game past r5d1 and probably never will

[fathom ice]

it is fun ye

like 14 clears rn or smth

[jagged shore]

2.5 people in my group can kinda do this too
one of them doesn't remember every level i think but a good chunk of them
sometimes we'll be talking about certain rooms in a mod and refer to a specific level to help paint what room we're looking at, and the last one is just like "look at these guys, knowing every level"

[fathom ice]

this is based

[jagged shore]

like saw a random room in a mod recently that i knew from another mod, and had to think for a while about where it was in vanilla
and the other guy was like "oh is it the room from x level in a different mod?"

[fathom ice]

usually u just see a tile which is either iconic or exclusive to a level

[jagged shore]

(room was the r4a2 secondary big scan room)

[tardy ingot]

Levels i dont fully know are:

r1b2 (2nd last room in most northern key zone i know generally but not exact 3d layout)
R1D1 side zones
R2D1 disinfect key zone
R4B3 optional uplink zone (cell/key i dont remember which)
R4C2 zone 15 (tho i know the layout now)
R4D2 turbine zone
R5B4 side zones (all 4)
R5D1 west side zones (i only know both east ones)
R6C3 (cell zones)

[supple gust]

R1D1 side zones, the most useless zones to ever exist

[tardy ingot]

^

ive went into them once

when we were testing achievements

lol

flying into that

never opened the doors normally

[supple gust]

I really don't know why the devs bothered with them. At least put a key in them or something

[tardy ingot]

thats tedious af

DELETE

[supple gust]

or remove all resources from the previous zone so players are forced to go into them if they want resources

[jagged shore]

shocking information as this may be to both of you, there are players who exist who find that they still need the resources in those rooms. insane, i know, but they exist.

[supple gust]

yeah, bad players

[jagged shore]

yes

what's your point?

[supple gust]

That the rooms are uneccessary

YOu have enough resources already

[jagged shore]

you do, sure
a good chunk of players do not
so i ask again
what is your point?
that you don't need them?

[supple gust]

What's my point? are you not reading the convo?

Scroll up

[jagged shore]

your point is they're the most useless zones to exist. i would argue the terminal command room in r7a1 is cause it accomplishes basically nothing but confusing people

[tardy ingot]

tbf

removing the side zones would make it actually more deserving of a d tier without making it actually harder in its peak. But raising the base line

[tardy ingot]

True
This one is still such a ???

[jagged shore]

some people at least get actual usage of the r1d1 side rooms
just cause you don't doesn't mean that they're completely useless
because, shocking as it may be, people aren't that efficient with their ammo by the sixth level in the game

[supple gust]

There are better ways to implement them though. They're massive zones. You don't need two of them if they both serve the same purpose. Also being a D tier, it only serves to deflate the levels difficulty as a D tier. R1C1 had plenty of ammo mangement. If you're on R1D1, you really shouldn't need the extra ammo.

[jagged shore]

ah yes, r1c1, famous for having a tight amount of ammo

i think the argument that the zones could be implemented better is kinda fair

[supple gust]

Being so big just extends the level time. They could have just done the R3C1 method of having 1 zone dedicated to being a resource room but with the drawback of being packed with enemies

[jagged shore]

but i think the side zones existing as a choice for players to have a better chance at getting a clear when they're still improving is good

[supple gust]

Oh yes, I think that's fine and I agree, but its the way they're implemented in the level that's bad

[jagged shore]

rundown 1 is easy, that's part of its whole thing
i do think r1d1 is a bit easier than it should be, but i don't think completely eliminating the extra stores of ammo is the way to go to make it harder because then it'd be a stupidly insane hurdle of managing ammo well, or just getting supply efficiency and having no issues which happens already on other levels

[tardy ingot]

eeh?

i think saying stupidly hard

is going overboard

[jagged shore]

to the people that need to go to the side rooms to get ammo, i'd say it would be

[tardy ingot]

Many beginners, when they clear, do it without the side zones

[jagged shore]

i've seen plenty of streams of people playing the game that end the first alarm with like 0/0

[tardy ingot]

theres many that still go into them. But we can safely say that not all of those needed the ressources for the clear

[tardy ingot]

yea but if you play like that

Then maaaaybe the level should punish

[supple gust]

I feel like implementing a cell/key in the R1D1 side zones would at least give it more purpose. Or even a very easy error alarm that turns off when they progress to the next zone.

Right now it's just boring perma stealth for every side zone

[tardy ingot]

i get being too low before 3rd alarm and wanting to make sure

but thats only rarely what happens

[supple gust]

The original level was BORING. 10cc could have at least spiced up the side zones in the remake

[tardy ingot]

more often than not they just die to the alarm or pull scouts and die (or then run out)

and yes
If people absolutely run out of ammo due to stealth issues they will run out in side zones aswell often

[jagged shore]

i think the problem with that is that then it gets even closer to r5d1 main
at least r5d1 has a bit more of an identity from r1d1 cause of it

[tardy ingot]

R3C1 did it a lot better
You get good stuff, but theres a threat so you feel pressured

(As a beginner)

[supple gust]

If you run out of ammo due to stealth then players have fucked up too many times and deserve to wipe. With R1D1's side rooms, now there's less punishment and less room to grow as a player until R2's later levels

[tardy ingot]

i generally agree

especially since some wake ups are still allowed

but i do think the leniency is there for a good reason

[jagged shore]

i don't think that's a bad thing tbh
cause i see it more as, they can get more invested in the game by getting further earlier on

[tardy ingot]

Heck, adding smth like a 3 use to the 3rd zone wouldve been a better situation than having the side zones

[marble mist]

Not reading everything but the travelling scan is for the general strikers which are 1 away, the nightmares and hybrids are set spawns on a timer that are 2 away, and flyers are on big centre scan that spawn on you

[fleet tusk]

do you guys have weapon recommendations/weapon to avoid?
I usually run Bullpup/AR with 3 burst shoot one

[digital mural]

all weapons are good :)

[silent delta]

Do u want the brutally honest answer

[fleet tusk]

yeah sure

[silent delta]

Bullpup and ar are sadly, arguably some of the worst in slot 💀

[jagged shore]

i think both bullpup and AR are usually pretty high on the "avoid" list
but
use whatever you genuinely enjoy, cause getting better at the game will make most everything just kinda work out

[silent delta]

Burst cannon is good tho

[silent delta]

this

If you want us to tell you what guns are better we can't but don't let being ""optimal"" stop you from having fun

[fleet tusk]

hmmm alright thanks for the info guys might giving other weapon try later

[silent delta]

Honestly

Don't use burst pistol/short rifle and you're good

[digital mural]

bullpup, short rifle, slug shotgun, AR, burst rifle, burst pistol

maybe sniper

[silent delta]

might possibly put ar on that list too but most of the other guns will at least do something

[jagged shore]

common choices for best guns are usually:
hel revo, hel shotgun, sawed off, carbine
those are the usual suspects for good guns i think?

(at least for mains)

[silent delta]

I'm glad someone else agreed with me that burst rifle is dog

I see everyone putting it like on par with DMR and I'm like what

[silent delta]

Dmr, dtr, auto pp

[digital mural]

par with DMR?

💀

[silent delta]

I've seen a couple tier lists with it up there

And I'm like huh

I swear I do worse with it than stock ar

[digital mural]

maybe it was good like 2 years ago

not anymore

[silent delta]

Rayalot put it in b tier on his post balance tier list

Not saying he's necessarily wrong, I've long since learned there are people who know far more about this game than I do

But putting burst rifle in the same tier as dmr and dtr feels weird

[past mesa]

@minor fractal ngl I think they might be right

^^

[past mesa]

I think BR was a weak B if I remember or a strong C

[silent delta]

iirc it was bottom of b ye

but still

i like hsmg more

[soft crater]

Burst rifle isn't the worst weapon but it fairs decently

[silent delta]

*fares

[soft crater]

*dreadnought

[silent delta]

idk i feel like i pull the trigger and shit just doesn't die

possibly a skill issue

[silent delta]

dreadnaught is a perfectly valid albeit less common iteration

[soft crater]

I only know goobnaught

🤨

[silent delta]

then people started calling me goob in game and i didnt respond to it

[soft crater]

aight goob

[silent delta]

i will shit your pants

[soft crater]

[native sun]

You gotta hit the client triple headshot

[silent delta]

ur so right

i just need a better gaming chair

[native sun]

Another common win for client

Host stocks in shambles

[hoary haven]

does anyone per chance, got a spreadsheet with all the logs for the achievement?

[silent delta]

https://andocas.com/gtfo/log-tracker/

[hoary haven]

thank you

[sleek drift]

Ok we tried r2d2 with 2 players and a bot, we got abt halfway and then died when getting the 6th code… I think I’m taking sledgehammer next time so I can contribute to stealthing giants

Is it worth shooting through the side zones btw? Since we were a little short on time

[winter lily]

will there be rundown 9??

[flat oar]

Pull room to save time is better than repeat reactor waves

[silent delta]

depends on how confident you are at fast stealthing

[sleek drift]

It confident when there’s a bunch of big guys

[silent delta]

if your bio gives good callouts, the room isnt too crowded, you have a couple competent hammers, you can walk stealth fairly comfortably

but theres more than enough ammo in that level to support shooting rooms

oh and also no scouts

dont shoot the room with 5 scouts

[sleek drift]

1-2 we can deal with fine but if there’s like 3-5 in proximity we can’t take them all fast

[sleek drift]

Yeah I figured

[silent delta]

then just have your giant killer go wild and make sure your bio is on top of things

[sleek drift]

That’s like 60 enemies if they all pop?

[sleek drift]

Do enemies come through the doors we open to get to other zones when we defend a reactor wave btw

[silent delta]

enemies spawn 2 rooms away

usually

if you open a new location thats two rooms from where you're holding, then yes

[sleek drift]

Shoot we’re gonna have to redo our defense then

[silent delta]

if its like 6 rooms deep, then no

[silent delta]

it gets funky cuz they like to spawn 2 rooms away but i dont think the reactor room itself counts as one of those rooms

iirc

someone correct me if im wrong

[sleek drift]

Is there a spot for later waves we can hold out in and not have to defend against enemies from 3 sides

[silent delta]

there is a "meta" spot

would you like to know what it is

[sleek drift]

Sure

It’s not gonna break the level tho r

[silent delta]

i know most people like to figure things out for themselves so i like to double check

eh

it does make holding significantly easier

[sleek drift]

Don’t tell me

[silent delta]

but most of the difficulty comes from spawn mechanics being fucky anyway so whos to say

[sleek drift]

I’ll figure it out and if we get stuck I’ll ask for it

[silent delta]

good call

uk where to find me

[sleek drift]

Double hel rifle machine gun and sniper is fine for specials ye

[silent delta]

mmmm

i mean

[sleek drift]

Mains we take like whatever

[silent delta]

if you were to pick a level to run sniper on

[sleek drift]

Carbine usually

[silent delta]

r2d2 is not a bad one

hel rifle is good, the veruta mg is fine enough

mains are less important yeah

carbine goog

[sleek drift]

I’ve been asking my team to use bc but they all think it’s kinda weird

I don’t blame em it’s hard to use

[silent delta]

it is

but its so much better

its ok

if your sniper can consistently hid headshots, and prioritizes hybrids, then it should be fine enough

[native sun]

Reactors are very different

[sleek drift]

Yeah our sniper’s aim is really good

[sleek drift]

I’m preparing for the essay

[silent delta]

i thought i recalled that the rules are (usually) the same but the reactor room itsewlf doesnt count for the 2 room rule

usually

i know some reactors like r4e1 have special rules

[silent delta]

then it should service you well enough

you know what they say

we need sniper for scouts

[sleek drift]

We’re actually getting good at meleeing them

[native sun]

There's two options:

• Spawn {[number of rooms the farthest player from the reactor is] + 2} rooms away from the reactor, in any direction
• Spawn in the elevator zone

[sleek drift]

Unless d2’s time pressure makes that unviable?

[silent delta]

so is r4e1 just elevator

[native sun]

For R2D2, the first group of enemies in each wave will typically use the latter (and so always spawn towards the player's spawn (across the bridge), while every other group of enemies in the wave will use the former

[silent delta]

not if you have good speed stealthers

[native sun]

Correct

[silent delta]

and a bio who can accurately tell when its safe to go for a scout kill

[sleek drift]

Speed stealth is a wip

[silent delta]

it always is

keep at it you'll get there

swapping to hammer is a good idea

[past mesa]

Speed stealth doesn’t exist

Just shoot the rooms

Trust

[sleek drift]

Yeah I was on knife since I enjoy tearing through the little guys

There’s a lot of big guys to we’re def gonna swap to hammer

[silent delta]

if you have two or three competent hammers you can get away with running a knife

[silent delta]

not a bad idea honestly

[past mesa]

Just learn the solo knife pattern

You got this

[sleek drift]

We always run a bot since we’re missing a player on our stack

[sleek drift]

Im working on it 😭

[silent delta]

you want a fourth?

[native sun]

I think there's a bit of a false dichotomy with "stealthing rooms" vs pulling them and shooting.

For fast clearing rooms you generally just want to walk at the enemies "stealth" killing them, until the room wakes up, at which point you either start running while meleeing them (if there aren't many) or shoot them until there are few enough to go back to running and meleeing.

[sleek drift]

We’ll see

[silent delta]

yeah like that strat with knifing a giant to death in like six seconds

[sleek drift]

I’m coercing more of my friends into getting gtfo so we shouldn’t have a man down

[silent delta]

thats the spirit

[past mesa]

If a striker screams in a room and no sleeper is there to wake up did he really scream

[silent delta]

threaten them with death and dismemberment until they play the funny hammer game

oh hey speaking of enemies screaming

[sleek drift]

Also one of our members is on vacation (like a weakling) so we r 2 players down currently

[native sun]

Yes. Provable because now the second scream won't work.

[silent delta]

can r8 spoilers->||nightmare shooters|| still not wake up rooms

[silent delta]

solo it with 3 bots

ez

[past mesa]

They can

[native sun]

They can, but ^

Only the first scream an enemy does can wake anything

[past mesa]

You just had one of two issues

[silent delta]

cuz i remember they couldnt when r8 dropped right

like they would scream

[sleek drift]

I’ll get there one day

[silent delta]

but the room wouldnt actually wake up

[past mesa]

Hmmm

I think testing

Might have to happen true

[native sun]

You probably misrecognized one of the many screamy sounds they make for them 'using their scream ability'

[silent delta]

quite possibly

[sleek drift]

I am proud to announce that our squad has officially overcome our spear addiction

[silent delta]

i have a vague memory of scaler saying something about that but it was forever ago so who knows

maybe i made it up

[silent delta]

ahh, they grow up so fast

so proud of you

[sleek drift]

We now only run knife hammer and bat so we can make police jokes

We mainly run bat so we can do police role play tbh

[native sun]

No hunting the mamoth spear jokes 😭

[sleek drift]

Unfortunately

The spartan jokes will be missed

[silent delta]

fuck off automod

i prefer bat for "this is a really scary b*tt plug" jokes

[sleek drift]

I can’t stop myself from screaming ‘sir stop resisting’ when I’m using bat

[silent delta]

lmao fair

YEAH

YEAH

BULLY HIM

[sleek drift]

I can’t take the game seriously when I’m using bad

[silent delta]

BEAT HIM UP

TAKE HIS LUNCH MONEY

[sleek drift]

It’s so funny since smalls can’t do anything

[silent delta]

try running four bats and beating up a giant

[sleek drift]

That’s going on the a mission bucket list

We do a a mission every once in a while so we can have some fun and we’re always surprised by how easy it is compared to the current level we’re doing

[minor fractal]

I already move DMR up in new list, and the new naming convention redefines what "B" actually means.

Which is weapons that are niche or mid.

The S-tier Mains are just really far ahead of everything, and there's a gap even between the Main shotguns and HEL Revo that is hard to represent.

Nvm, I know the fix.

The weak semis and bursts get moved to bad

Every auto in excessively bad

[past mesa]

Oh no

Hel rev to a

Oh no

The allegations

[minor fractal]

Every goes down

[past mesa]

Won’t be beaten with things one

[minor fractal]

There is no excuse for playing anything worse than HEL Revo

[sturdy glen]

ray is reaching my tier list

[minor fractal]

I think slug does get shunted to bottom of bad or top of excessively bad, though.

Pistol and BR are just better

probably

maybe slug really is better...

What if beep was right?

[past mesa]

@beep look Ray agrees with you

Huh

Oh….

[minor fractal]

🕯️ Jish, you have to let go.

[past mesa]

@mountain man can you believe this

Huh….

[past mesa]

But but but but

Will I see them in Dow

[minor fractal]

Nobody knows for sure what will await them.

Await the in the den