gtfo-related-questions

[neon gust]

glass counts as los

specially lab tiles with glass

[past mesa]

Welll

no

LOL

[hardy grotto]

thats different

[civic wave]

huh party started when i left

[past mesa]

This is definitely

Not correct

Btw

[neon gust]

I know

im spreading missinformation

[past mesa]

wtf

omg

[prime musk]

ok unironically
is there a bug
where a scout tendril is invisible until touched

[neon gust]

gatcho ass

[past mesa]

No? But you can cull scout feelers

[sturdy glen]

they can get culled from your vision yea ^

fov bug!!

[past mesa]

Fov dependent bugs are really good

The game was meant to be played on 20 fov

[prime musk]

ok maybe im just blind but im going over my clip frame by frame and im not seeing it even adjusting up brightness

[sturdy glen]

too generous

try 10

[past mesa]

Mb I forgot that the lower bound could be broken by using the setting folder

[errant dome]

can u actually do 1 fov? or does the game just break

[past mesa]

Send the vid to chill

IT is so funny

[civic wave]

can i please get the vid too?

[prime musk]

fine

[sturdy glen]

thats fucked

[prime musk]

yes, yes it is

[craggy pier]

Editing in files, probably

Im p sure the game would be fine

Not your camera though

[errant dome]

i see

[topaz anvil]

Who needs to see

Sleepers are blind and they get around just fine

[errant dome]

true, making the game more fair by not seeing

[topaz anvil]

Your About Me reminds me of mili

[errant dome]

it is from mili

[topaz anvil]

That's crazy

[errant dome]

i like that song alot

even tho i barely know anythin about limbus company lul

[topaz anvil]

Unfortunately it's 1am and I've just finished my 9hr shift so i cannot remember which song it was

Between two worlds?

[errant dome]

lament, in hell we live

[topaz anvil]

Ah yes

Banger as usual

[errant dome]

very much so

[topaz anvil]

Damn sticker name kinda hostile

[errant dome]

i see that xD

[sleek drift]

Any advice for r1c2 zone 100 alarm? Our team gets overrun after like 2 rounds of scans…

[fathom ice]

cfoam ladder smh

[sleek drift]

How many turrets should we bring

[fathom ice]

one

[sleek drift]

We’re bringing erm 3 turrets and a scanner rn

Oops

[fathom ice]

just bring mines cfoam sentry

[sleek drift]

K

[ocean spindle]

if ur opening both alarms at the sides doors, dont, u only need one
a sniper or a burst sentry should work... fine, tbh its hard to sentry that alarm cuz two sides but u can find spots around

use everything u have, it is the ending so

foam the doors put down all ur mines and heal up to the brim

[sleek drift]

R there still decoders in zone 100

[ocean spindle]

and then guns- any 30 dmg is great for chargers so chokemod, hel rifle, shotgun, high cal...

[fathom ice]

100 is extract

[ocean spindle]

no, only in 99 and 98

but by that point

u should have one or two left

so u only need to open one side

[sleek drift]

Ye we only open 1 side

[ocean spindle]

the rest is just killing the waves as soon as possible and dont rush the scans if they are full of enemies

chargers are 7x more dangerous than strikers in proximity

so its better to go back, kill and then go for the scan

[sleek drift]

They’re kinda tanky

[fathom ice]

my man is calculating

[sleek drift]

Since we can’t tap in the head

[ocean spindle]

thats why 30 dmg guns r so nice for them, they oneshot

otherwise stuff like hel autopistol or hel shottie should do fine altho most of ur work is gonna come from ur special

[sleek drift]

Think we’re gonna bring more h cals and stuff

[ocean spindle]

not much from ur main

[fathom ice]

isn't it just

5

guns

[ocean spindle]

it feels like 30

[ocean spindle]

u can bring other 30 dmg things not just high cal

[fathom ice]

no like there are 5 guns above 30 dmg

[sleek drift]

Yeah we enjoy h cals more since ease of use and stuff

[ocean spindle]

scattergun sniper high cal chokemod pump shottie hel rifle burst cannon

and probs some im forgetting

[ocean spindle]

alright just be careful with the slow reload and low range

[fathom ice]

forgor bc and chokemod

[ocean spindle]

cuz more than 6 or 7 meters it wont oneshot

[fathom ice]

smh

[ocean spindle]

and thats a pain

[sleek drift]

I might try out burst cannon again

It feels good but it’s so hard to use imo

[fathom ice]

play hel rifle

[ocean spindle]

tbh bc is not that fine on chargers, its 22 dmg per bullet with a 3 burst so
its very good on smalls and bigs not chargers

[fathom ice]

literally best answer to chargers

[ocean spindle]

i mean its fine but underwhelming

u need 2 bullets of the burst so

[sleek drift]

Oh

[sleek drift]

Aight

Should I take like sawed off for main for the close range burst

[ocean spindle]

it works its pretty good, just play it safe and dont go too much for the oneshots at hyper close proximity

[sleek drift]

Aight

Dmr seems to fall off a bit against chargers since no headshots

[fathom ice]

hel revo / sawed off / hel shotty works

[ocean spindle]

its fine, consistent 4 shots

3 per mag for a main is already good

specially with that consistency and range

most other mains fall way harder

most autos, double tap, rifle, pistol...

[sleek drift]

Oh yeah istg carb was just tickling them

[ocean spindle]

how much dmg was carbine? i forgors

[sleek drift]

Not enough 😭

[ocean spindle]

uhh 9.52 so would need three bursts and then a touch

its fine for its reload and firerate

[fathom ice]

carbine is like 3 kills per mag

[ocean spindle]

it does reload at the speed of light

should be ok

[fathom ice]

eats ammo

[sleek drift]

Think we just need to take foam

[ocean spindle]

rlly those 4 r the mains for chargers, dmr, carbine, sawed off, hel shottie

[fathom ice]

erm

[ocean spindle]

chargers do that in general

[fathom ice]

hel revo..

[sleek drift]

We reserve the medpacks for waves that’s the strat r

[fathom ice]

instead of dmr

[ocean spindle]

i forgot it existed ngl

[fathom ice]

dwdw

[ocean spindle]

pretty much, if ur ok on stealth u dont need to heal for that

[sleek drift]

6 shots is like 3 guys a clip r

For hel revo

[ocean spindle]

hel revos a 4 shot like dmr but with pierce

8 dmg

[sleek drift]

Yea in stealth it’s just sometimes one of us gets backhanded by a giant or something and goes down

[ocean spindle]

healing for 40 will still take u down so, if u wanna play it safe chain stagger instead of all hittin at the same time
and if u see its not getting staggered stand back and shoot instead

from what i remember the level has enough ammo that only if u wake up every scout ever u struggle

and it also has quite some tool

[sleek drift]

We do fine on resources tbh

If we wake up a room I opt melee

I just get to a corner and smack the guys that come around

[ocean spindle]

yeah corners in this game are not the play unless u need to hide from giants :b

[sleek drift]

ig not a corner

like a wall

or a doorway

[ocean spindle]

ah yeah that works

right click for staggerin smalls my beloved

[sleek drift]

yep

i spam the crap outta it if i wake up a guy on accident

anyways, ty for the help, me n my team are gonna try c2 again tmrw

[ocean spindle]

gooood luck!

[sleek drift]

we're gonna need it lol

[rotund linden]

does this mod work

LobbyExpansion
Play GTFO with more players.

By Cactus

[livid stone]

Probably

[frail heart]

yeah

[strange rover]

how hard are the other d tier missions in r6 compared to r6d1?

[frail heart]

harder

d3 is very fun

[plain snow]

slighly or way harder

[hard nexus]

d3 and d4 can be tedious

rest are easy

[strange rover]

hm okay

[frail heart]

d3 is very fun

d4 is the hardest one out of them all

[strange rover]

gonna try to clear this and then the other story rundowns (r7 and r8)

[strange rover]

ok thx

[plain snow]

d4 would be even more tedius without the checkpoint and if you're not prepared

[hard nexus]

Tbh d4 wipe points are the start and the end

No in-between from what I've seen

D2 secondary can be tedious with a team of complete randoms

Main is very easy

[safe cradle]

I'd say R6D2 is the next easiest out of the them

if we consider PE only I'd say D3>D2=D4>D1 in order from hardest to easiest.

[hard nexus]

Is d3 harder than d4

It's just longer I think

I'd say d4 is the fun one and d3 is boring ass but I may be biased from playing the latter way more back in the day

[safe cradle]

A fuckton harder

I'll never understand why people consider D4 hard

Even in OG there were ways to standardize the ending, like foam the staircase, they stay foamed, enough time to run and earn distance.

[hard nexus]

Because first surge and the last alarm

[sturdy glen]

what is hard on d3

[hard nexus]

This

[sturdy glen]

its literally 1 code

the entire rest of the level is piss easy

[safe cradle]

Definitively had a lot of pugs waking up the tank barracks and a lot of shit go wrong during reactor

It's way more mechanically complex than D4, D4 is just a weird start then everything else is something you've already done before

[sturdy glen]

so is d3?

reactor is incredibly generic

[safe cradle]

What's hard about D4? The tank you fight doesn't have anything attached to it, is just a tank and a blood door. The T scan isn't really an issue unless you fucked up hard somewhere along the line and have low res.

[sturdy glen]

the error portion can be unique but its intended to just be sit 2 ppl at spawn and camp the error

that t scan can be pretty nasty

can fuck up the surge

[safe cradle]

I'd disagree with reactor being generic and there's plenty of groups that fail the split because last blood door has a tank

[sturdy glen]

ending is hard if you dontk now the foam

[sturdy glen]

so 1 code

like I said

and then the first 4 are about as generic as it gets

[safe cradle]

That and the barracks sneaking, the "error" of shadows, the whole point to either doing Overload or Main first...

It's way more mechanics than what D4 has IMHO

[sturdy glen]

but were assuming the players know all the strats for d4?

why dont they know the strats for d3

[safe cradle]

Even assuming they know the strats for D3 and D4, D3's are more complex both in theory and execution...

[sturdy glen]

splitting up is complex?

[safe cradle]

Is it done a lot in the game?

[sturdy glen]

I would argue yes

[safe cradle]

Nah

[sturdy glen]

treat it this way

[safe cradle]

It's the you that plays mostly with premades that thinks that

[sturdy glen]

2 ppl on your team decided to go clear rooms for 15 minutes while you

low and behold

also clear rooms for 15 minutes

there room just spawns awake and is only like 3 enemies

and then holy shit you have to stealth through a room with 2 tanks!!

stealth is so hard

it may be splitting up but its not r4e1 splitting up

its half your team is bored out of their minds cuz theyre just meleeing an error

[safe cradle]

Oh I dont know what to tell you

Get a pool of pugs and you'll see more failed R6D3 lobbies than R6D4

[sturdy glen]

pubs are not a part of the games difficulty lol

[safe cradle]

They are

As much as I always hate having this argument

[sturdy glen]

youre just arguing for the wrong thing

dont argue level difficulty if that is your argument

[safe cradle]

Dont you think that premades give you a bit of an eskewed view of how hard some maps are?

[sturdy glen]

no I think it gives me a much more unbiased view of it

[safe cradle]

If more people fail D3 than D4

[sturdy glen]

I am taking the challenges at face value

[safe cradle]

D3 is harder?

[sturdy glen]

the t scan on r6d4 is objectively harder than every alarm on r6d3

the last code of r6d3 is fairly nasty, but so is the ending of r6d4

and if we want funny rooms to wake up and wipe to

just take the mom zone

[safe cradle]

R6D4's ending is way more standardizable to a somewhat decent degree of success

[sturdy glen]

and in that case, the mom zone is objectively less scary than the tank barracks

so r6d3 wins out

etc

[safe cradle]

D4 also has more confortable checkpoints

But let me guess checkpoints do not matter?

[sturdy glen]

they dont

for the most part

[safe cradle]

🤣

[sturdy glen]

personally I accept the argument of memorizing spawns as affecting difficulty

because that can heavily effect some levels

[safe cradle]

I think D3 just has a lot more shit going on than D4

Even in how you do sectors

[sturdy glen]

and I think most of that shit is just small

and does not add up to much

[hard nexus]

Fellow matchmake presser who presses it way less than I do, d4 infinitely harder in matchmake

[safe cradle]

Infinitively harder than D3 PE?

[hard nexus]

Yea

[safe cradle]

bha

[sturdy glen]

ive pubbed both of them before at least a couple times but it was with a duo so that kinda solves all issues I imagine youre fixating on

[hard nexus]

D3 is impossible maybe because its reactor and therefore desync alt f4

[sturdy glen]

I agree that d3 has 1 singular moment where you need at least 1 other person to know what is going on

[safe cradle]

Well that's a different issue

[sturdy glen]

which is the last code hunt

but I just dont think that is very much

and I dont think anything else youve mentioned has almost any value

errors are just not complex

youre fucking tour guiding your pubs anyways so objective order is meaningless

[safe cradle]

I mean, let's say you need to explain 3 people how to do D4

[sturdy glen]

wake the tank barracks?

[safe cradle]

Then same thing but D3 PE

[sturdy glen]

it would be very easy

and it was very easy

"melee the error"

[safe cradle]

Which of the two session of explaining would take longer and have more details?

[sturdy glen]

"shoot the reactor waves"

if they die its because they suck at shooting/meleeing not cuz theyre pubs

bro I pubbed fucking d3

with sleepyboi

like

??

[hard nexus]

D3 is longer explanation purely because d4 explanation is "good luck you better shoot"

[sturdy glen]

he did 5% damage in the fucking lobby and it was a piss easy clear

[safe cradle]

You can pub both

[sturdy glen]

and he woke tank room 3 times cuz he didnt know what was going on

[safe cradle]

That's not really the point

[sturdy glen]

and tbh

[safe cradle]

I guess you and the other 2 picked up A LOT of the slack

[sturdy glen]

idk how I even classify waking tank room in terms of difficulty

[hard nexus]

D3 would be easier time

D4 u have to pray we survive surge and ending

[sturdy glen]

ngl I think 1 person downing on d4 in quite a few parts

[safe cradle]

Jeez, to pray

[sturdy glen]

is a lot worse than anywhere besides last code on d3

[hard nexus]

One???

[safe cradle]

Listen, if you say that they're about the same level I can disagree but understand, but you saying it's "infinitively harder" it's just nonsense to me @hard nexus

[hard nexus]

Just matchmake some more

You will see

[sturdy glen]

I think d4 is definitively harder than d3

but the diff is still not that much

[safe cradle]

yeah I was referring to Manbarondenna with that

[sturdy glen]

if you asked me to put it very simply, I would not be confident in my own ability to clear sections of d4 as opposed to the entirety of d3

and that is where I value difficulty

[hard nexus]

Oh ye nah d4 is easy all in all its just 2 major points of failure for randoms

D3 infinitely more salvageable

[sturdy glen]

I value mechanics among the player, especially since this is a discussion where tour guiding is an assumption

not how dumb my teammates are

[safe cradle]

And I think D3 PE's mechanics and strategies are harder to grasp than D4's

[sturdy glen]

mechanics as in player ability

[safe cradle]

Neither are rocket science, of course.

[sturdy glen]

what is traditionally referred to as mechanical difficulty

[safe cradle]

No as in WHAT the team needs to do to have the best chances of success

[sturdy glen]

no I MEAN in terms of player ability

that is what I value

and that is what I think is a much much better way to evaluate objective level difficulty

if I assume my teammates are dumb as a sack of rocks then ig e2 is not a clearable level because they walk into every respawned room the instant its back

[safe cradle]

I dont think I understand, but let me try to: Do you believe you've more chances of carrying 3 players in D3 than in D4, correct?

[sturdy glen]

bro

the point is that THAT IS A TERRIBLE METHOD OF JUDGING LEVEL DIFFICULTY

[safe cradle]

Bha

[sturdy glen]

let me think for a sec tho cuz I do want to answer that anyways

lowkey

I think d4 because of the checkpoints yea

if I was pubbing id be scared for first surge and ending

first surge wipe is an easy reset, pubs dont lose motivation

ending is close to a checkpoint and its the end of the level, pubs dont lose motivation

[tardy ingot]

i feel like checkpoints are a wipe anyhow

[sturdy glen]

d3 you wipe on last code

which means you redo the entire reactor

[sturdy glen]

you dont realize that this is a stupid argument

that I am indulging

[tardy ingot]

only if 3 of them wipe on tank with ctrip

[sturdy glen]

reread the whole thing eva

[tardy ingot]

oh ive seen a bit

[sturdy glen]

trust

[safe cradle]

🤣 how generous of you

[tardy ingot]

Imo d3 is easier than d4 once you understand the mission fully

But d3 is probably closer when you are mostly blind in both

[safe cradle]

Let me reiterate

"I mean, let's say you need to explain 3 people how to do D4, Then same thing but D3 PE, Which of the two session of explaining would take longer and have more details?"

Than somehow try to work fucking around

With D4 being more complex than D3

Because

I really cant

[sturdy glen]

nobody has said that

so I see the confusion

[tardy ingot]

That is not a good metric

a level can be easier but longer

[safe cradle]

There aren't a lot of levels that ask you to do what D3 does

[sturdy glen]

eva youve pubbed d3 a decent bit right

[safe cradle]

If that cant be a metric of how hard a level is I dont know then

[tardy ingot]

ya

[sturdy glen]

how do you dumb down the entire level to your pubs

is it smth along the lines of

"shoot the enemies that are trying to kill you with the 600 ammo packs on the level"

?

[hard nexus]

i dont think its good argument because d4 is just "good luck mate"

[safe cradle]

Did D4 steal your lunch?

[tardy ingot]

i think the only thing i say much about are the 2 errors and „kill tank“

[sturdy glen]

based

kil tank is good

I should steal that one

[tardy ingot]

man

ive had an arc

Where 6/7 pub lobbies died to tank as 3 man

needing me to clutch a 3 down vs tank and waves

[hard nexus]

bro i was doing d2 secondary recently and i forgot about the fact that the tank will spawn behind me

kekw

that was really fun surprise

[sturdy glen]

ngl I always forget that its an auto open

[tardy ingot]

Fun but god was it funny that it happened 6 times in 2 weeks

[safe cradle]

For you or the tank?

[hard nexus]

for me and the noob who was defending me

[tardy ingot]

also yea you rly just shoot absolutely everything (but respawn room, i avoid that in full pubs until after reactor usually)

[hard nexus]

actually there is a lot of r6d2 going on in matchmaking this month

[sturdy glen]

its a good level

[hard nexus]

really fun level tbh

[sturdy glen]

big fan

[safe cradle]

D2 is fun, yes

Since it gives you options and isn't boring

[hard nexus]

like you can do charger alarm in fog

or not

[sturdy glen]

not*

never do that shit ✊

[native sun]

smh discussing level difficulty without using the 4 difficulty axis

[hard nexus]

i did both

[native sun]

#gtfo-chat message

[tardy ingot]

secondary is such a mood killer ngl

[native sun]

No wonder this argument is farcical

[sturdy glen]

secondary is so close to good

[hard nexus]

secondary is not good?

[sturdy glen]

its just a little bit too filler on a level that does not need it whatsoever

[tardy ingot]

secondary is just

Not rly fun to shoot
foaming is snooze

[hard nexus]

i like dual uplink idk

[tardy ingot]

Everything that isnt the uplink is fun tbh

dual uplink is somewhat fun generally imo

but that one is boring
The tank is fun showing up
The flyer alarm is too

[safe cradle]

Secondary should have a longer uplink and remove the alarm for the sec door with the password

And have the uplink also spawn fliers

[hard nexus]

didnt it use to do that

[safe cradle]

The uplink only spawns chargers, right?

[hard nexus]

right now yes

[safe cradle]

The sec door on the right has a cluster alarm with fliers

[hard nexus]

in og i recall otherwise but might be wrong

[hard nexus]

yeah

[tardy ingot]

Yes
but wasnt intended

[hard nexus]

• double damage

[tardy ingot]

it was removed in og aswell

[hard nexus]

peak

[tardy ingot]

i think at that point they were already removed

as double dmg flyers was extension first pat h

[hard nexus]

i think not

could be wrong

because clearing d2 secondary double damage is what i did it was really something

also also

waking 5 charger scouts is actually a strat

after doing the alarm in full fog

[hard nexus]

i think all uplinks should be buffed to more than 5 codes for sure for sure

r4c1 sec in matchmaking is really fun

especially if someone wipes

[tardy ingot]

Yes
Go into zone
Hel gun/rifle goes brr

[hard nexus]

actually i attempted stealth

touched the feeler

[sturdy glen]

beat them up

until you fuck up

[hard nexus]

all screamed

[sturdy glen]

the charger scout strat tm

chargin!!

[hard nexus]

but holy the stairs chokepoint makes it piss easy even all 5 waves

[tardy ingot]

its honestly the duo strat if you just wanna get the lvl done

oh no we have to shoot 2 waves of chargers?? IN A LINE??

[hard nexus]

tbh majority of levels ive noticed

[tardy ingot]

you can shoot ?

[hard nexus]

if your lobby has cerebral capacity to shoot enemies u can just wake everything

[sturdy glen]

yup

[hard nexus]

we did it in r6cx

[sturdy glen]

even more so, being good at shooting makes everything easy when you do that too

[hard nexus]

quickest clear of my life

[urban oriole]

hel rifle heaven ( album )

[sturdy glen]

if this game was advertised as shooter

it would be a vastly different world

maybe we'd have an actual playerbase

[urban oriole]

do we want cod sweats

[sturdy glen]

listen

you see the ppl we get anyways

it cant get worse

at least the cod sweats would have fun

[hard nexus]

better cod sweats than chinese players knifing nightmare scouts

[urban oriole]

hmm

[hard nexus]

then among the panic activating class 12

[native sun]

You can remove the casual racism pretty please

[hard nexus]

you choose to interpret it so

[sturdy glen]

im assuming thats a matchmaking joke

[hard nexus]

im just referring to what happens in matchmaking

[native sun]

So say matchmaking players

[hard nexus]

yeah unfortunately language and thus comms barrier persists in matchmaking

[hard nexus]

my bad chief

actually with language barrier matchmake players its 50/50

either they are new to the game or gtfo gods

had a guy try to explain the game doesnt let him put his sentry down in french

[urban oriole]

i think its to be expected that most players are either people who bought game at 50%, or OGs and veterans who played since a long time

[hard nexus]

also

some vets set their cosmetics to the starter ones to disguise as noobs for some reason

especially prevalent during sales

[sturdy glen]

they mightve just made a new modded profile

[hard nexus]

ah true ive had that happen

[hearty ore]

Where can I drop a invite link? Need 2 more players. Sorry if it is the wrong channel tho

[patent mulch]

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[sleek drift]

any advice for r1d1? our team just finished c2 last night.

[swift flame]

Just make sure you have a bio user and you'll be fine

[tiny wyvern]

Have you done the reactor shutdown yet?

Or are you struggling on your way there?

[sleek drift]

we died on the class 5 alarm on our first try since it was our first mixed scan thing, haven't tried since but we're prob gonna go tn

[tiny wyvern]

Did you open the side zones early?

Unless you fumble really, REALLY hard and need the ammo, common consensus is you always leave the side zones for the alarm scans closed until you're done with the alarm

That way they only come from one way

And you don't die

[sleek drift]

nope

we were just surprised that the team scan was running away from us lol

[tiny wyvern]

Well then what tools are you bringing

[tiny wyvern]

Well it'll get worse

Much worse

[sleek drift]

tracker +3 sentries(2 burst 1 sniper)

[sleek drift]

yeah it was our first mixed scan lol

[tiny wyvern]

That's not a mixed scan

[sleek drift]

no?

[tiny wyvern]

A mixed scan is one with different types of scans mashed into one

Marked with M

[sleek drift]

ah

[tiny wyvern]

In the alarm text

[sleek drift]

icic

i called it a mixxed scan cuz after the team scan it turned into the reg scan

[tiny wyvern]

For instance, a mixed scan can have team scans, clusters and even some of the weird ones you'll encounter later

[sleek drift]

s scans?

[tiny wyvern]

Sustains yes

There's more

You'll meet them eventually

[sleek drift]

k

so is our loadout ok?

[tiny wyvern]

Sniper sentry is weird

[sleek drift]

ik we rly need scanner cuz of the ||ghosts||

[tiny wyvern]

Cause there's not enough long sightlines

[sleek drift]

works fine against the big guys

[tiny wyvern]

Oh well yeah I suppose that works

[sleek drift]

we always have someone on big guy duty

since they seem to be getting more and more common

[tiny wyvern]

Eh you usually get good enough eventually to not worry so much about it
It's more of a common notion to have someone prepare for bigs

Oh right one last piece of advice before I go back to doing my lab report

[sleek drift]

🫡

[tiny wyvern]

The side zones actually lose you ammo if you go loud
So be careful

[sleek drift]

our stealth game is improving

is it worth going for ammo and resources and whatnot?

[upper ginkgo]

it's pretty worth for a comfy clear

if you're dying on the class v then the extra meds is nice

[tardy ingot]

its completely fine considerng the amount of giants on r1d1 alarms

[tardy ingot]

you want the biotracker for every level anyway

[tardy ingot]

???

[upper ginkgo]

hybrid spotted in r1d1 !!!

[sleek drift]

violence is the answer

[upper ginkgo]

i yearn for a day where we get chickens as a wave enemy

[tiny wyvern]

I'm sorry grain sizes are all my head can think about for now

[sleek drift]

i like running through their projectiles it makes me feel badass as hell

[upper ginkgo]

used to be cooler with the old shooter tracers 😔

[tardy ingot]

why grain sizes?

[sleek drift]

i think hes writing a lab report

[tardy ingot]

well yea thats why im asking
considering i study smth where grain sizes arent an uncommon topic xD

[digital mural]

rocks

[tiny wyvern]

Oh for some reason I have to write a lab report about ceramic sintering
The lab of which is just GTAs tell us what they did rather than us doing it ourselves

I feel like I was scammed

[digital mural]

make your own lab :3

[past mesa]

You will clear it very quickly

It isn’t as bad as c2 or c1 tbh

You don’t need side zones

Try to do two alarms before doing one

Then do the early one for like a 5 use ammo then you should be fine

There is logs in each of the 3 side rooms if your going for the achievement

[sleek drift]

That sounds pretty cool actually

It might just be me tho lol

[languid glacier]

does anyone know when snatcher spawns are in r5e1?

[hardy grotto]

theres one on blood door for giant error and one when you look at the warden door for the last alarm in the level

like go up to the warden door

[languid glacier]

tysm

[frozen estuary]

Is there a way to delete bugged "ghost" enemies through CConsole?

(i.e., enemies that are immortal and just stay still in one place)

[prime musk]

?? enemies can bug out so that they're immortal?
do you mean enemies that get stuck out of bounds

[fathom ice]

psure they doesn't count as actual enemies so ure not stam capped or anything

i think they don't even exist tbh

[frozen estuary]

That's not the point

I can't test bcs they trigger mines :d

[fathom ice]

team it's a reset

[frozen estuary]

I don't wanna reset every time they bug out

That's such a massive time waste

How am I gonna WR my GTFO testing speedrun? 🙂

I have like 11 enemies stuck like that

I'd like to also know if I can repair doors

[fathom ice]

are u playing l4d or smth

[finite oracle]

can penetrating weapons penetrate through say tanks/armored flyers

to the enemies behind them

[prime musk]

are there any cfoam tripmines in r5c2

[frozen estuary]

Yep

Fuck, I can't post images

https://imgur.com/a/n05dgpU

[plain snow]

Yea

The amount of tks

I’ve gotten like that

[prime musk]

ty

[silent delta]

Live somewhere with better ping

[past mesa]

There is a mod

To get rid of ghost enemies

there is a way to get “rid” of them with Unity explorer

[past mesa]

It isn’t a ping issue. If you kil them right as they spawn you can ghost enemies even on host

Think it has to do with the clean up logic not being set or something

[past mesa]

Ye

[sleek drift]

how hard is r2e1 compared to the rest of rundown 2?

[prime musk]

significantly harder

[sleek drift]

i heard theres lots of like enchanced alarms yea?

[prime musk]

it introduces surge alarms (which require better coordination) but that isn't the most difficult part really

(not sure how spoiler sensitive to be)

[sleek drift]

what does cluster alarm mean?

[prime musk]

cluster alarm means it features cluster scans

set of scans consisting of 8 small yellow ones

[sleek drift]

ah

for the surge alarms is it better to stall out the enemies/run from them than to actually kill them?

[prime musk]

if the tile allows for it

the further away enemy spawns are the better it is to kill them

[sleek drift]

cuz itll take em longer to run back ya

[past mesa]

Well

No and yes

[sleek drift]

depends on the room ig

[past mesa]

Killing enemies actually is one of the most effective ways to stall them

[tardy ingot]

either way R2E1 is massively more difficult than anything else in R1-R3

[sleek drift]

it'll do good to prep us for later rundowns yea?

[tardy ingot]

not... rly?

r2e1 is like top 5 in difficulty

[prime musk]

other way around actually

[sleek drift]

might be better to just skip then?

[past mesa]

It isn’t the worst idea to grind on it

But if in your first day or two you don’t make it half way

You should skip it

[sleek drift]

halfway is like past 2 surges?

[tardy ingot]

no

[past mesa]

3

lol

[prime musk]

halfway is getting to error

[tardy ingot]

in difficulty

not in time spent

[minor fractal]

Imo, get to "the ending," and once you've died there once or twice you should consider moving on and coming back later.

[sleek drift]

oh lord

[tardy ingot]

id say @sleek drift try a few times to see it

and then if you realize "ok this is hard" go to R3

[sleek drift]

yeah we've just finished r1 gonna start the r2 grind 2day

i dont think a-d should be too bad?

[tardy ingot]

a-b def not

[past mesa]

How was r1c1

[minor fractal]

It is actually really good practice to get to the "last section" so that you can get used to the high difficulty, but when it spikes it will very likely be a brick wall where-as other rundowns have a lot of easier content to play instead.

[sleek drift]

easy

[tardy ingot]

C depends (mostly c2)
D you will see
D1 and D2 in R2 are considerably harder than R1D1

[past mesa]

Well you got this probs

[sleek drift]

after we sorted out our team comp it was free

[prime musk]

~~this sounds like someone took sniper ~~

[minor fractal]

If you didn't get hardstuck R1C1, you are ahead of a lot of the new player struggles already.

[tardy ingot]

disagree tbh

just cuz someone is fine with r1c1 doesnt mean theyll handle other normal levels well

R1C1 isnt a real wall, its just different and people stonewall themselves

[past mesa]

Na r2 a-d should be fine

[prime musk]

r1c1 is a "can you shoot mildly competently" check

[tardy ingot]

A-C1 for sure
C2 depends
D1/D2 will see

[minor fractal]

Yeah, but there are a lot of ways to get stuck on R1C1, and those ways are all big deals for the rest of the game.

If you can't dodge enemy attacks and generally avoid damage, you will struggle with everything in the game.

[tardy ingot]

i agree with that ray

but passing it (after sorting slight stuff out) doesnt make the C2-D2 part actually fine for those parties usually

[tardy ingot]

yes?
but people clear r1c1 without knowing how to do that

[past mesa]

There is a few ways you could realistically pass r1c1 but having any of those skills or a mix of a bunch of them is good enough

For a lot of the game

[tardy ingot]

its good to have

but wont mean r2c2-d2 are going to be fine

its the same reason people who can have no struggle on r1c2/d1 can struggle on r1c1

[minor fractal]

I think that's frequently not the case, and when it is the case chances are you've had to show some mastery of other parts of the game, like tool setup or resource management or good weapon choice, all of which give you an edge everywhere else.

[tardy ingot]

i think you guys are heavily overestimating how easily r1c1 can be brute forced

without any of that

[past mesa]

Anyways shooting is the most important skill in the game anyways

[tardy ingot]

i litteraly just saw it 20 min ago

[tardy ingot]

that i can agree with

[past mesa]

R1c1 is a shooting test

And in gtfo the waves only ever get so hard

There is an upper limit

[tardy ingot]

but
c2 - makes people panick
d1 - people dont get comfortable pulling rooms and struggle with the order of the level
d2 - codes and way harder (dual side) spawns

r1c1 lets them hard prep and is very calm from the start

[past mesa]

But the answer is always

Shoot better and you probs would clear

Like c2 people get caught up just not shooting?

[tardy ingot]

ill let the beginners who are stuck on any of those levels

[past mesa]

D1 people get caught up not shooting and solo stealthing fog

[tardy ingot]

know

its obviously true that if you play better youll win

but holy

do you hear yourself

[past mesa]

Yeah I do but we are literally talking about how

[tardy ingot]

aka not comfortable pulling rooms

[sleek drift]

erm it was burst cannon

[past mesa]

The shooting level r1c1 gives good skills for the rest of the levels

[tardy ingot]

yes

but it also doesnt rly matter

[sleek drift]

d1 was kinda free, we thought reactor shutdown was gonna be brutal but it was just scans

[minor fractal]

It's also pacing. People really struggle to make progress and move on to the next thing when under constant pressure.

[sleek drift]

we second tried d1 after we got folded our first attempt since we were just goofing around

[minor fractal]

Increasing my credence that R2 will go well.

[past mesa]

Not surprised

[tardy ingot]

it honestly just depends on your defintion on fine

cuz clearing r1c1 in a few tries rly does not make someone able to 1-2 try c2-d2

[past mesa]

I mean they won’t get hard walled

[tardy ingot]

they might still do so

[past mesa]

Everything will take a few attempts but it will be fine

[tardy ingot]

i still dont agree

ive seen people 2nd try r1c1 and get hard walled on c2, d1 and d2

(at the same time)

or rather, after another

[tardy ingot]

based

[soft crater]

[sleek drift]

the high cal friendly fire was real 😔

[tardy ingot]

[soft crater]

Me knowing damn well I can't shoot well enough to carry.

[past mesa]

You don’t have to shoot well enough to carry

[sleek drift]

why is high cal so good at teamkilling

😔

[tardy ingot]

eh its not like its burst cannon, scatter or choke

[soft crater]

(Combat shotgun carried me in my r1a1 solo while i was missing all my dmr shots x-x )

[past mesa]

Based

[sleek drift]

combat shotgun is amazing bruh

[past mesa]

just take sawd off

[sleek drift]

it has so much

stuffs

[past mesa]

Brain off solace

Be gamer

[prime musk]

if they like combat shotgun r2c2 will be fine

[soft crater]

I was trying to stick to weapons og r1 had available when I did that solo

Based but yeh

[tardy ingot]

man

no

[sleek drift]

i like all the shotties

except for slug that thing is abysmal

[tardy ingot]

its a good gun for that level sure

but it mostly depends on 1. using the right tool and 2. not panicking 24/7

[sleek drift]

best thing abt slug is its sights

[soft crater]

Bbcs coming out of nowhere will still scare me :c

[sleek drift]

are those invis

[tardy ingot]

no

dont mind it

[sleek drift]

k

our scanner guy dcd in the middle of our d1 run but we just booked it after the reactor shutdown was finished

it was kinda scary since we didn't know where the enemies were since no scan lol

[tardy ingot]

flashlights go brr

[tiny wyvern]

Lfg R2E1?
wut dis

[sleek drift]

we were sorta panicking so we just booked it to extraction

then we just shot into the dark lol

[past mesa]

Gaming

You gonna redo r1d1 for your teammate that dropped the level

[sleek drift]

our full squad wasnt even on

we took a bot

[past mesa]

No redo then

[sleek drift]

we don't really mind a redo

[past mesa]

You should try to beat your time

[tiny wyvern]

R1D1 redos after first clear isn't that bad
It's just not screwing up scouts

[past mesa]

Try to get a sub 45

[tardy ingot]

sub 30

[past mesa]

They got 1:09

Baby steps

[tardy ingot]

2nd try, not having it fully done with one person dced

if they want they can prob get easy sub 40, so sub 30 is a doable goal

[sleek drift]

we cleared out like 2 side sections

we had too many resources anyways

[tardy ingot]

yep

when you clear the 3rd alarm

[tiny wyvern]

Clearing one is usually enough right

[sleek drift]

cuz we thought the shutdown was gonna be r1c1 part 2

[tardy ingot]

the zone after it has enough ressources for the ending

@tiny wyvern you dont need any generally

[tiny wyvern]

I mean for first clears

And pub safety

[tardy ingot]

first clears, yea
pub safety. eh i dont think it matters

[tiny wyvern]

yeah I suppose

[past mesa]

Clearing zero is fine and you can wake up all scouts

But clearing one should be enough

[sleek drift]

tbh the zone b4 the reactor had hella resources

[past mesa]

Yeah

[sleek drift]

we were pigging the fuck out bruh

[tiny wyvern]

Yeah it's for the shadows

[sleek drift]

honestly shadows weren't too bad for us

[tiny wyvern]

They usually aren't

Just bcs you can't see smth doesn't mean they don't die

[tardy ingot]

dey be slow

[tiny wyvern]

Imagine if we had shadow chargers

[past mesa]

Shadows are my enemy

[sleek drift]

i would uninstall

[past mesa]

Random shadow in enemy waves fuck me up man

Just minus 12 every time

[sleek drift]

cant wait for big shadows

[past mesa]

Big shadow tongue stance

[sleek drift]

thank god theyre slower

[past mesa]

LOL

[sleek drift]

if they were as fast as a normal guy i would cry

[past mesa]

You gonna love tongue stance

Big shadows

[sleek drift]

☹️

[tiny wyvern]

I think they tongue faster right

[sleek drift]

what

[past mesa]

Depending on how the enemy stands suffer

They tongue slowly or fast

[sleek drift]

wtf

[tardy ingot]

honestly the stagger regarding stance is way stupider

[past mesa]

Yup

That is funny to

[past mesa]

It happens with strikers to

Crawlers are fastest? Then running the crouching I think I forgot tho so that might be miss information

[sleek drift]

oh wtf

[past mesa]

Yeah they all have the same cooldown but the wind up animation is way faster on some strikers than others

[sleek drift]

ughh

wahtever we'll shoot them

[past mesa]

based response

[sleek drift]

its the only thing we have confidence in

[past mesa]

It is often the best response to every issue in the game

[sleek drift]

its a great response till the bullets run out

[past mesa]

shhh

But also shooting solves that issue to

Lol

[tiny wyvern]

Is there anything you shouldn't really shoot at when alerted?

I mean spitters I guess

[past mesa]

well tbh everything should be killed unless you need it alive

[sleek drift]

immortal

[past mesa]

I have a few clips for you

LOL

Jishes mind control school

[tiny wyvern]

did you look it up

man

I really shouldn't have said anything...

[sleek drift]

i browse wikis when im bored

[past mesa]

It isnt you shooter

they already knew

[tiny wyvern]

@digital mural used to be called pablo's wife

[sleek drift]

why tf did yall name him pablo

[past mesa]

Naming scheme that just stuck around

[sleek drift]

ic

[past mesa]

Just like some people call giants frank

[sleek drift]

ganked by frank 😔

[past mesa]

[tiny wyvern]

There's a lot of spoilers on the wiki

So do be careful
Knowing what they are often does not help you kill them much

[sleek drift]

yeah, well I'm to type of player who likes to know how and by what they're gonna get fucked up by lol

[upper ginkgo]

when the wiki player hard carries the lobby

[sleek drift]

i dont hard carry 😔

i just know what im about to waste 2 hours on

[past mesa]

it isn’t a waste

As long as you have decent company

[sleek drift]

we usually get like 1.5 hours in and die brutally in extraction

[past mesa]

Unfortunate

[tiny wyvern]

That happens on pubs sometimes

[past mesa]

Suffer I think for r2 a and b tiers you should try to clear each level under. 30 mins

Speeding up the gameplay matters now that you are starting to get the basics. It will help you greatly for the challenges down the road

Especially speeding up blind gameplay

[tiny wyvern]

2C1 would be a reason

[prime musk]

getting faster also just makes the entire gameplay experience better because every attempt doesn't tale forever

[soft crater]

me when pubs don't want to term ids on r2c2

[prime musk]

the pubs just have all the spawns memorised

clearly

[soft crater]

The constant error typically puts them into a panicked state

[prime musk]

indeed

isn't r2c2 first level with error that isn't extraction

[soft crater]

Yes

[prime musk]

mm

[soft crater]

It was a hardstuck level back in og for newbies coming in

[prime musk]

it might still be

[soft crater]

Not surprised.

You dont get the name drop of error until r2e1 anyhow

[prime musk]

yes

r2e1 should have more scouts during error it would be funny

[soft crater]

Most pubs don't even get past the first or second surge anyhow.

[prime musk]

im thinking r2e1 but the zone that right now has the one scout in error
has 4 scouts and no other sleepers

[sleek drift]

do hel weapons have falloff when penning multiple enemies or do they only start to have falloff on enemies that exceed it's falloff range?

[ocean spindle]

just with range, nothin with the pen

[prime musk]

does r5c2s reactor not have global spawn pushing?

im watching some solos and it really doesn't seem like it does

[sleek drift]

oh sick

[tardy ingot]

it did during og

[prime musk]

i need to play og some time

[prime musk]

bump

[tardy ingot]

it does?

[prime musk]

https://youtu.be/1orQgYizk-g?si=gF80Oy9J8ibtSna6&t=4000

it really doesn't look like it but ig ill have to try myself

[tardy ingot]

@native sun you have an idea?
cuz it seems like they are spawning in reactor for that one clip start

[prime musk]

even after the very first wave, it to me looks like they're spawning in reactor or at most 1 room away from reactor, which still wouldn't line up with global pushing

[past mesa]

I think you might not fully understand global spawn push. Solo behaviour will always seem normal.

It is the idea that if you had two players.

[prime musk]

solo behaviour does not always seem normal

you're just wrong here

[past mesa]

I am

[prime musk]

global spawn pushing is still the case even in solo

[past mesa]

It could also be how waves sown here

are we sure it isn’t pushed

[prime musk]

i mean if it is they teleported across half the map in 5 seconds

[sturdy glen]

jish they are correct

[past mesa]

Because in the speed run we get global spawn push

they are

I know I am stupid

The entire time ?

[sturdy glen]

lemme check the wave settings

[past mesa]

.

sorry just assume player diff and didn’t think about it

There might be two behaviours still that are player dependent. It could also be the forced direction distance

From spawn fixes the issue in solo?

[prime musk]

like there is a minimum amount of rooms from spawn wave has to spawn?

[sturdy glen]

most of the waves used dont appear to use any special wave settings

[minor fractal]

It would still be in elevator zone

[sturdy glen]

do reactors inherently apply some spawn rules to the waves attached to them or

[past mesa]

We don’t fully know

[sturdy glen]

wait nvm

[past mesa]

I guess?

[sturdy glen]

I forgot how reactors work for a sec

one moment

[prime musk]

i love that this game has so easy to understand and consistent mechanics

[sturdy glen]

im confused

wait

I might understand?

[past mesa]

We should test that we can reproduce the behaviour?

First

Maybe

[minor fractal]

What is the spawn type on first wave?

in wave 3

[sturdy glen]

wave 3 has different settings than all the other waves

[fathom ice]

erm chat i'm stupid what's global spawn push

[past mesa]

LOL

[sturdy glen]

and those settings have override set to true

but idk if that overrides reactor settings

[past mesa]

LOL

[sturdy glen]

not sure which has precedence

[past mesa]

Easy to test

[past mesa]

Reactors work funny

[prime musk]

it's why holding not in reactor sucks and causes wave to drag on forever

[past mesa]

Wait so wave 3 doesn’t have spawn push

[sturdy glen]

and the wave 3 waves are also specifically made for r5c2

really weird

[past mesa]

cool

[minor fractal]

????????

[fathom ice]

my honest reaction

[past mesa]

sorry zero just wave 3 doesn’t have spawn push. So reactor global down push minus r5c2

[frozen estuary]

No way through CConsole I presume?

[past mesa]

Wave 3

[frozen estuary]

Only restart the level

[past mesa]

You could checkpoint

[frozen estuary]

Oh

That's a good point

[sturdy glen]

(assuming you can override reactor wave settings with regular wave settings)

[past mesa]

Why can’t I say

Off

Your self

In the chat

[frozen estuary]

Automod

It's kinda stupid

Can you just CP anywhere?

[prime musk]

is it actually just wave 3 that would be very unfortunate it should be all the waves (in same solo i linked already it looks like wave 4 and 5 has same non pushed spaws but it's less clear)

[frozen estuary]

Like, it doesn't use the level's CP?

[sturdy glen]

wave 3 uses 257,258,259
every other wave uses 7,9,22,23,30,40

[prime musk]

what these numbers mean i do not know but ill trust the funny words magic man

[sturdy glen]

257,258,259 are specifically labeled for r5c2, the other waves are just generic reactor waves

thats so fucking weird

[sturdy glen]

its wave setting numbers, they define what spawns at what time

[prime musk]

by "generic" do you mean that they appear in other reactor expeditions

[sturdy glen]

ye

[prime musk]

i see

so unless the spawn mechanics (in general) are special in r5c2 reactor it should only be wave 3 that's scuffed

[native sun]

Looks like Chill's already found the answer, but ye, just looks like that wave has enemies set to regular from-elevator

[prime musk]

as stated that doesn't line up with behaviour in linked solo for wave 4 and 5 (which also seem to not be spawnpushed imo) but oh well thanks

[native sun]

Likely same thing, those waves don't use the reactor spawning settings

[prime musk]

chill said the other waves are normal and it's just wave 3 if i don't misread but whatever the case

[minor fractal]

4 appears spawn pushed

[native sun]

Would have to check every single wave

Does this mean wave 3 doesn't use Striker_Fast

This is so sad

[prime musk]

enemies virtually spawn on top of him?

doesn't seem very pushed to me

[sturdy glen]

not necessarily

[frozen estuary]

Oh, tru, since you're here maybe you have a better answer. Through CConsole is there a way to:

• repair doors
• delete bugged "ghost" enemies (immortal stationary)

I got suggested using checkpoints for the latter

[native sun]

But in the direction away from reactor(?)

[frozen estuary]

Ig I can use it for both

[prime musk]

ah yeah that's fair

it is direction away from reactor

[frozen estuary]

But maybe there's a better way?

[native sun]

1. Unity explorer
2. Unity explorer

[frozen estuary]

Damn

[prime musk]

though still, not having stragglers at end of wave while holding that far away seems whack to me

[frozen estuary]

Fair enough

[sturdy glen]

or just checkpoint before testing smth

[native sun]

Probably a mix of chargers get there fast and they just kill fast

[prime musk]

mayhaps

chargers are speedy

[native sun]

Just checked map, that hold spot is 4 rooms away

[prime musk]

therefore(?)

[native sun]

Entrance is 5 away

So they're not pushed as far as would seem

I actually don't remember what happens when you've pushed spawns so far that they actually don't have a valid place

[prime musk]

they spawn on top of you

at least they do that in r4d1

(in direction of final code)

[fathom ice]

sweet chargers

give u a lil smooch

[prime musk]

ok can confirm it's only wave 3

wave 4 and 5 abide by global spawnpushing as expected

[frozen estuary]

How many mines to kill a tank again?

[digital mural]

8

But i highly dont recommend it

[frozen estuary]

It's fine

I'm doing it in a way where it's guaranteed to work

[digital mural]

Good luck

I would place one or two extra mines just in case

[frozen estuary]

I'm spawn camping

[hardy grotto]

Oh you poor thing

your worlds gonna be crushed when it doesn’t work one time

[frozen estuary]

I mean, it's just 1 tank so it doesn't matter that much

I just wanna see if it's possible to make a consistent setup

The tank always spawns in the same spot

So in theory it should work

[past mesa]

7

[frozen estuary]

Anyone knows if you can alias timescale command to be increased/decreased by some increment?

I.e., I press + and the timescale value is increased by 0.1

Actually, I have an idea of how to set it up

[past mesa]

what are you trying to do freind

[frozen estuary]

Testing

[past mesa]

what

[frozen estuary]

🙂

[past mesa]

: )

[frozen estuary]

Stuff

R7E1 reactor

[past mesa]

ah solo

stuff good luck

[frozen estuary]

Not rly

Just testing how it goes for now

Trying to see how much value I can get out of mines

I can clear the first 2 waves solo easy

Now I wanna see if I can do more on 3rd wave

[fathom ice]

introducing code 4 no cfoam or spawnblock

it's just dumb

if u wanna kill tank u might be able to premine it in some weird ass way

but like

why bother smh

[frozen estuary]

Cuz funni

[fathom ice]

surely he's not gonna randomly mine tank in pubs

surely

[frozen estuary]

You might as well say "why bother even soloing the first 2 waves if you can just shoot"