#gtfo-related-questions
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are shadows actually faster in solo?
just heard that and i dont think it makes sense
but it is gtfo
i mean
oh u mean like- nevermind
i thought u meant sumn different but the answer is no
That's crazy. I wonder why that possibly is
Crouching shadow giants 

my beloved
make mothers birth double as well
yes in og r2 they were funny
BBC mom when
BBM
Nah have 2 mom's be perfectly lined together like R5D1 Secondary
Better yet. Revert sniper nerf
I heard something somewhere about how some shadows are faster than others
Like the ones that are bent over are faster than the ones standing up straight?
Really?
For stuff like biters and shooters I thought it was just cosmetic
I mean a cosmetic change that has different effects sure but I didn't realize they were actually coded differently
crab shooters, faster
striker shadows, faster
crouching shadow giants, faster
those r all i can think of rn ngl
charger scouts faster but thats a given
I know shadow giants are wack
yeah chimken ones r slow
Chair can outrun baby strikers
will mods have much effect on others or just me so client sided?
the only mods i installed were ping anything and a weapon overhaul which just adds a bunch of new weapons
i personally wanna have more weapons to play with so dont know if the comunity is ok with it
it's kinda up to your lobby
ping anything isn't client sided (cause your teammates can see what you ping)
modded weapons also aren't client sided
yea i see htat the bots haev teh weapons too
some people are chill with it, some aren't, it's better to ask if you play with mods in public lobbies
which is most likely not i presume since everyone really plays vanilla
a fair amount of people run qol mods, the people who run "game-changing" mods are pretty rare
which is like mine which adds a ton of new guns
resources stack is clearly qol
also r5b2 would have been so good if it hadnt esxited
what is the window between hitting a charger scout and it becoming invulnerable
Instantly unless stagger
is it possible to have client sided weapons? i saw someone have 2 diffent versions of guns
one was the malatack AR but the drum mag was replaced by a regular mag adn the stock was a little different, and the other was the koning sniper with a bigger mag altered stock and trigger
Ah
Those are just gun "skins"
You can change the how the gun looks
Thats pretty much it
It doesnt affect anything
You also take the risk of people reporting you
yea
Technically mods like that aren’t allowed in this server
im just getting really bored looking at teh same weapons
Honestly, modded weapons usually make the game easier, which can ruin your experience of the game
...............
i generally just want better looking weapon which feel alot nicer
WHAT
You can just change how the weapon looks if You want
The gun stats and shit stays the same
looking at that now but seems its not on thuunderstore so nexus it is
I mean modded modded weapons
Im pretty sure You have to do it
yourself
Weapon balancing mods aren’t really bad
Shit that’s meant to be used in FE2 where you fight a double headed kraken chicken that births tanks should be used there
Sniper 3 bullets?
Hmm?
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lore log no play audio that count achievement?
Yeah
There's no such thing stop saying things related to inferno (although even there's no 2 head chicken but mothers can birth tanks and tank dwarfs)and tie them to FE2
Does shadow giants take same amount of space for spawncap as normal giants or they're halved like normal shadows?
Bro ive seen shit in FE2 that no human could think of
Also I was hyperbolising
Play Inferno
FE first release was a trip
can close range aggro still trigger between zones?
i.e smthing wakes up right in front of a zone seperating door (thats open ofc) and there is smthing right behind it
it can.
Just use grenade launcher so enemy see it explosion and then chainaggro full room
FE2 only has a few serious levels the rest are kinda
experimental
i think 5-1 and 5-2 are actual levels
would have to play them
i just dont really enjoy heavily modded rundowns
because a lot of the time they dont really focus on level design
Sector 21, heat
1-1 to 5-2 is actual levels 1-3 and etc up to 5-5 is bonuses
damn bruh you must have this elden ring build and level 150 in this level
21? Wasn't it 11 I don't remember 21
1k hours in glaggleland 2
silly as fuck
this is why we're divorced
Zaero rundowns have funny layouts plus something like main inside secondary
I have some bad news for you
It was 11
Kinda forgot that rundown existed tbh
lf1m r8e2
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lmao
lf pippen
are u hostin?
real
How much of spawncap do shadow giants eat?
I think it's the same as normal giants

i need advice on r2d2
i cant get past wave 8 my resources just get sapped from the bots
best advice: dont run bots
what tools and guns are u using?
they will pick up resources
they prioritize meds and then ammo
also ya r2d2 with bots is very hard xd
ive tried 3 snipe sentries with bishop bio track and ive tried burst sentries with bio. i give bots the van auken and malatak i use van auken and koning for hybrids and giants
i really dont recommend sniper
you can get better use by running hel rifle/helgun/burst cannon
you can use them for big enemies and smaller
sniper is just bad overall
van auken being carbine or smg?
egomaniac rundown developers
its carbine
to be a GTFO modder you have to have an ego the size of a country
carbine my apologies for not being specific i didnt know there was 2 of them im pretty new
just look at everyone
dont use the manufacturer names
^
a lot of them have the same manu names
MANUFACTURER ALERT 
we have like 3 drekkers
10 bucklands
etc etc
ya lul
thank you for letting me know i didnt even notice
also this
should i give the bots these weapons too?
no
never give them precision or high damage weapons
they work better with stuff like assault rifle/machine gun
Well as said earlier, best advice is to try with actual players, its not impossible to do r2d2 with bots but its one of the harder levels to do
thank you guys
goodluck o7
Nah you only need the will to join the dark side
yeah lemme make a rundown with the DEVELOPERS TOOLS not stfu about my rundown and complain how im better than the developers
because sure game dev its just making levels for pre stablish game right?
You just didn't joined the dark side
You can have heavy smg in special slot

i remember seeing a test a long time ago bout a dmg indicator r1c1 run and it saying the biggest dmg was made by HAR
maybe it should b done again
to see which mg is better or if it is still HAR
For bots?
Because otherwise, it's just the player that is actually shooting enemies.
regardless of loadout
whats the best mission for the achievment where you do an A-tier level without using weapons?
probs r6a1, since its the easiest A tier but any rlly
it is not hard in any mission
i think r7a1 or r6a1
so if u havent gotten to r6 and wanna avoid spoils or whatev
u can just run r1a1
and foam every door ever
R7A1
unless ur trying to do it solo is not rlly that hard ya
it does let u use tools
uhh probs just foam and mines
and melee the enemies that come at the extract
and foam the ground n shit
just to make it even easier
if u find foam grenades even better
actually speaking of acheivments, regarding the bio acheivment, how does that work when it comes to scouts?
u have to trigger them to get it? or only have to worry about it if u trip one
u have to ping em but not activate them
if u activate one u have to ping the enemies they summon
its tbh pretty tiring so
i dont blame u
it costed me a lot of attwempts on r2b1 and then i just did r1b1 n got it
pretty much why i didnt bother, and will likely continue to not bother
if i get all logs maybe ill think about it for the 100% steam acheivments
also why r2b1 btw?
cuz it had very few sleeping enemies to ping and also no extract alarmç
okay thx guys trying r6a1 now
good luuuck
o7
I thought r8a1 was considered to be the easiest
Cuz you can just foam+mine anything you can't melee
thats true i forgor
so yea this is not really possible with only 2 people, probably gonna try as a full squad at some point 🥲
guys
i just used scattergun for first time
properly
in R4E1
this gun cannot be real
wrong chat kurwa
in r5e1 is it possible to along deactivating the error alarm and also deactivate a zone alarm scan aswell if you initiate it?
yes
is that intended btw? im guessing prolly no
prob not
close enuf xd
not intended
its just how the games coded unfortunately, the 'DEACTIVATE_ALARMS' command isn't linked to an individual alarm so you can use it to deactivate any and all alarms
i see
It is intended
Kurwa
is it just the case they didnt epxect you to have multiple alarms active at once
yeah but its obviously not intended for you to pull door alarms and turn those off via the command
alongside the error
or uplinks
See that is where I think your wrong
wheres it intended
R7d1
wasnt that the one level they talked abt in the dev QnA
where they were like "No we didnt mean for it to do that"
I haven't played gtfo for long, I've already forgor, enemies with tumors get maximum tumor damage or damage can exceed tumors' hp?
i recall there were two updates, one made sniper go nuts against tumor enemies, the other tried to fix it, how it is now?
single shots of damage cannot exceed max tumor hp yes
You’re just no longer punished as host for sniping a tumor that’s already been damaged
so host and client cannot kill tank with few shots from sniper?
No now you can do the exact same thing with scattergun
nope that got fixed
this means host now can with scattergun two shot mom?
Yep
okay, thx
"Exact same thing" is a stretch.
You can spread your damage across the tumors to get a two-shot
But it is incredibly precise.
Client does not have this problem, you pick the two biggest blobs and shoot them, which does all of your damage and kills.
but overall host now don't lose damage over client whatsoever, is it right?
on single shot weapons yeah
scattergun will always work differently cause its a ton of pellets that register before the tumor breaks for client
whereas if ur host tumor just breaks instantly
well, i think i got it, thx for answers
👍
r8a2 extreme password? password website is not working
try the previous password
the password should've reset just today
might be funky and still be the previous one for whatever reason
rip. not sure then.
Did you progress too far into main
nvm I was stupid and misread the O as a 0
wait so you can deactivate any alarm in any level by simply putting this command in a terminal?
No
No, only specific levels contain this command
ah okay makes sense
how speedrunners check logs for objective items
Theres a few guides for that on the speedrunning server
stfu?
No the official speedrunning server
any linkers
god bless u eva
I tagged in speedrunning chat
ty man life saver
STFU is a speedrunning server lmao

not a good one
Suck my ding dong
lmao as if that server is good for anything
38:37
I was laughing that sky said STFU in response to speedrunning server
Holy shit lmao
36:00*
that doesn't count
Uhuh
who's even in STFU nowadays
i'm not familiar with servers sorry 😭
mostly anyone whos been in it before 
A lot of people
yeah well i can't remember who was in it before because i've been gone from it for about uh
8 months?
welp
official speedrunning server for gtfo is linked on this server multiple times and has basically all the info we know off in one way or another
so its where youll find speed info
ty eva
No key maps tho L
ewwwww speedrunners
or in the speedrun steam guides
you all just never bother checking anything
where
yes?
a way more easily maneuverable way to find it
Just never be the person handling keys so you never have to know where they are
or just dont speedrun
Even better
I have no choice
you do
choose your health over speedrunning a game nobody cares about
i should've won the speedrunning competition and sold my place for £800 to get hormones tbh
best speedrunning outcome
Should’ve
Just don't speedrun so you don't need to bother about key maps
Is there a consistent way of herding the spawns through one of the three doors in the side room in R2E1, second surge alarm?
We're inconsistent and a lot of it is RNG dependant (bot keeps dying if it goes on for too long)
Which alarm
2nd
There is no consistent way to funnel them through the doors
But you can rng it
Just choose one
Then let close everything else
Not going to ask questions about the later stages of the level because those ones we just have to practice, but this one just feels random as hell due to the bot and the scan locations.
No I mean, we want to C-foam one door. Just so we can do a few scans before Dauda dies.
you can just remove dauda and trio the scan tbh
i don't think the extra bot provides much fire power anyway
why is hel gun so good
like i can't ammobalance when i have hel gun because i can't stop shooting it
its for pro gamers
/if i start shooting main i just output so much less damage it's like, getting overrun
But Dauda friend
dauda the silly
He is throwing your runs
Hello
if you run hel revo with it
you'll find a happy medium
bc hel revo is as good for damage output if you shoot it fast
man idk if i have a skill issue or something but i hate the hel gun lmao
i feel like i never do anything with it
real
i feel like since it one shots smalls on headshots i have to go for those
but im shit at hitting them anyway, and hel guns chargeup+recoil makes it worse so i miss half my shots
ya ive never been good with weapons that have alot of recoil
Just use hel pp or machine pis
machine piss is funny
If you sniff someone's back
also those are in two different slots ya dumb fuck
You do real damage
machine pistol is prolly my least fav weapon in da game
xd
if u full auto with that shit from anything beyond meelee range it misses so much
why games dead
cuz it no gacha
It can work
Not very well, but you can convince yourself it's working
most of the time you go for pen first headshot second
i love fucking around in r7d2 with the hel gun
i think i dealt like 4000 damage in just 5 minutes into the level
Imagine if you would have grenade launcher
modded broke you 
i would rather convince myself pdw is good
just use Hsmg
its easier to believe its a good gun since its basically a better PDW
pdw is just utility
Its less that it being an auto is what means it sucks
And more that basically all autos suck
idk honestly
i guess ive never seen a situation where like
autos are ACTUALLY balanced
theyre always the worst guns in the modded rundowns ive played as well
i think semi autos are just really good in the hands of ppl that can aim
id argue this is cuz people are scared of over buffing (or think they are fine lol)
then there was zanders bullpup for an old patch
pen, 1,2 sec reload, 3+ dmg, 50 mag
it was the same patch where zander had revo in main slot
but buffed (faster reload, more ammo)
sometimes when i'm using pdw i kill 2-3 strikers in a mag and go "maybe this gun isn't so bad" and then i remember that i'd kill twice as many with hel revo
- more ammo + more range etc etc etc
Are you pening? Dont bother with headshots. Hybrid alone? Go for the head
makes sense
kinda difficult to see what i can pen through a hybird but it makes sense
i usually pop 2-3 shots to head / body just to prevent barrage so i can clean up smalls first
Just imagine the enemy
They move predictably, it's not too bad to figure out where they'd be
just blindly firing usually works to get pen anyways
Sadly
game doesn't launch with mods
any thoughts
it says 'waiting for system assets to initiate' and that's it
mods in the wrong folder?
i dunno just doesn't launch from thunderstore
tried doing diff profiles same shit
why r2d2 solo players prefers to spawncap giants in the last waves?
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welll, really just those few messages from Chill
jade did it without giant cap so it’s possible
She still kited it lol
Tldr you can't full shoot it therefore who cares
not with that attitude
It's RNG.
The fastest strat for it doesn't clear in time consistently.
true
highroll the like
3 different hybrid waves all spawning from the direction your sniper sentry is placed
and then hoping the sentry actually shoots them
and then still probably be overcapped on the massive amount of strikers spawning at the end
let me put it this way
wave 10 spawns roughly 50% more enemies than the previous 8 (1-8) waves
its actually insane
If only the game was deterministic
how big are the charger waves on r1c2 class 4 alarm
genuinely feels like it's 30 or something
normal
yeah but like how many are there other than "like 30"
i kill like 12 and then need to reload hel rifle and then get pushed so hard
(im soloing)
i might have my vid of it somewhere on my hard drive, mostly just getting damage in and kiting backwards/kiting around
What primary do you use?
How long did you take to kill 12?
Are they coming from really far away
As in
What distance do they travel before they enter your room
Yeah thats the issue
Do the spawns converge
no
different doors to alarm room
high cal might be more fluid and and play better with the room and have slightly better uptime but my kills/time is inevitably worse with it because no pen
Maybe using hel auto to get those hel rifle reloads would be worth
Just ladderfoam 🙃
before I take a huge dump in technical support channel,
does not updating nvidia drivers cause gtfo to shit itself
( given I've been playing for a few months just fine by now )
no the pistol 🙃
you either use hi cal, shotgun, or hel rifle, i ended up doing mine with high cal
I dont think it should, provided that you're using a driver version that came out after R8 release.
Or around that
Perhaps even before that
It's hard to tell. Assuming people aren't having issue with 1060s and IIRC those don't get driver update since a long time, I dont think it does anything as along as it isn't like 10 years ago drivers or whatnot.
I remember when quite a few ppl complained about high Cals range and then got hit with the 25 dmg.
At least we got 30 dmg back

25 dmg high cal was weird.
unless Unity Engine has a requirement for the drivers needing to be updated, no. this is applicable for every game
GTFO is more likely to crash because of cpu
With GTFO
Everything is possible
ew wtf
At the time. We didn't have all weapons in the roster so yeah
High cal was becoming the go to weapon prior kinda
25 dmg high cal sounds like the worst special weapon ever
Having to double tap or swap shot chargers
Or swap shot shooters if you didn't hit head
lmfao
Idk. And then AR never got touched
sounds a little like hel gun
as in never buffed or nerfed
like was it in a good state
It felt weird to use
It did get 13.5 per refill, but yeah it was very wacky.
It was kind of an anti-striker weapon.
But like, if you're competent you just play Revo
Yeah exactly
Crazy good refill though
Tbh, I think a 20 damage HCP (basically current slug) could be neat if you gave it 15 per refill and a 7-mag.
But current HCP seems pretty balanced as-is.
Maybe but that just doesnt feel like HCP
Anymore
To me
Depends on what you think of HCP as being.
But now that slug is in the game, it'd make more sense to buff that instead.
I like it as a waveclear option for mixed waves of enemies, one shots all the small enemies
i just dont remember if the duo happened with 25 damage or 30
Also sick for clearing rooms
They appear to run choke in lots of places.
i.e. R2E1
which one was that?
in a 21 minute run theyve got 2 high cals
1 choke and 1 sniper
i suppose the choke is just for faster big killing tbh
i just remember arguments abt it and i think they would talk about swapping to hel revo to finish chargers
I thought 25 damage was better ngl
It gives you what you want from 15 damage revo but also a one shot on strikers at ok range
For a bit less ammo
Like no one is taking high cal for chargers and shooters rn anyways
And no one takes revo
So fuck it what was wrong
tbh that was r7 and we didnt have hel rifle or hel gun so back then i imagine people liked it into chargers
but i do kinda agree with just swapping to hel revo
even penning 2 chargers with 1 shot you can just 1 tap both with high cal
nowadays it'd be interesting i guess
Idk I've always thought choke was overhated
Slow reload + low clip size is painful but it still kills shit
yea, there sure is a short supply of weapons that kill shit
Idk how to quantify it better
Also it's definitely outclassed but I don't think that necessitates it being bad
wasnt it like 11.smth?
At first, and then it got buffed.
The 11.smth is also what it is rn.
Or, no, it's 10 rn.
It could go back to 11.smth and be fine, tbh.
25 damage high cal was fine
the main issue that I had with that version and now
Is that they buffed ammo Econ while moving it to 25
Then kept the buff ammo Econ after raising the damage
Like it doesn’t matter high cal can have it no issue it is just insane that they don’t think about that it literally killed chok mod(good) in alt r1-2
Choke mod was bound to die anyway.
I already predicted a very long time ago, that I thought choke mod might actually be a really bad gun.
And now that it doesn't have an exclusive niche in very specific content, it is actually very bad.
it's not very bad, it's outnumbered but saying "very bad" sounds like too much
like very bad, hel fun 0.3 short rifle the arbalist
"just mediocre" feels like suits choke mod better

The last time I took chokemod.
I thought to myself.
Why didn't I just bring high cal.
ray has been throwing out hyperboles like that more and more
cuz ur weak
except slendi's opinion is already disregarded for calling 0.3 hel gun bad lmfao
I mean ngl
if we look at what hel gun hel rifle and scatter can all do
yea I think most specials are very bad
You are at a significant disadvantage if you pick anything outside of the top two tiers, especially in Special.
And even the 2nd Special tier is very limiting in comparison.
And I do like the T2 specials, but they're still clearly weaker.
(this also answers rays point)
if you base everything on the top tiers then yes
but by that standard scatter also isnt broken/busted
i prefer to look at what id consider balanced in the game and then comparing to that
But choke is still bad in a balanced metagame.
Sniper, HCP, BC, and even a nerfed Scatter would probably all be better.
Choke has really bad uptime, and is very weak among similar versatile options.
that's not the issue of the chokemod
oh cmon this wasnt the unpopular opinion kdmksd
All choke is missing
Is a okay reload
"even nerfed scatter"
moot point, unless you nerf scatter perfectly to balanced status (which I do agree that choke is below the balanced line) cuz youd have no clue how it would be nerfed
sniper - disagree, unless you also buff it (or nerf all the other options down, at which point choke becomes better also anyway in context)
HCP is a clear agree tho IF hel rifle and co would be nerfed
the point wasnt that choke is balanced
the point wasnt that choke in a perfectly balanced meta game (so a lot changed, but choke unchanged? lol) would be good
the point was that comparing choke to hel rifle to call it bad is kinda moot when you call hel rifle broken at the same time
imo, choke is subpar. Its on the edge to bad, but not quite. If you compare it to (my) a rough balanced baseline
its certainly bad compared to the top tiers, but those are busted anyway
is this the courtesy gun argument of the week?
Yes
eh i just see a lot of hyperboles and basing stuff on the top tier guns (which i thought were clearly implied to be too good) recently
and wanted to point it out
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its not rly a gun argument
Grab a ticket and popcorns here 🍿
this is true.
fun to play with combat and pump shotty but they're clearly weaker and more limited than other guns
Lucky
All I've had is some pasta from the store and a frozen pizza with a little bit of added salad
sounds tasty
it was
My point isn't that choke is bad because T1 weapons are very OP.
It's near season to pick olives
My point is that there is a very large power difference between the weapons that are even best and second best, and choke is very low down among all of those.
weeee i'm part of it
i based that part off of what chill said
for you it was mostly aimed at the "very bad"
which imo has to be a strict hyperbole
No.
i clearly agree with this tho
The MGs are very bad.
very bad means what to you
Choke is very bad.
very bad to me means you are gonna massively struggle to clear anything
You should find any way to avoid taking these weapons that you can.
which obviously they arent
short rifle ranks in there or
That's not true of any weapon.
to me it feels like you put very bad as "mild inconvenience"
If you are a mediocre player on bad weapons...
Choke and MGs will just hold you back
they will hold you back a lot, even.
im not looking at the best players here
very bad = you're limiting your output compared to taking an actual gun imo
your limiting your output with shotgun over hel gun
shotgun is a very bad gun
The MGs and choke are not just mildly inconvenient, they do not perform well, even in content that favors them.
burst cannon is very bad since you are limiting your output over scatter
i guess it's a way to describe it but it seems like if in a tier list C D and B barely existed
and u just put weapons that aren't in A directly into F
which like sure it's a way to see it
but also i don't agree
thx slendo
You are only interpreting me as being hyperbolic because you assume that I do not literally consider these weapons to be weak.
Shotgun still has benefit over hel gun
BC over scatter as well
are they as strong as each other? No, but playing pedantic isn't going to do anything for the discussion at large
But I do, genuinely, consider them to be weak.
with how ray is talking about a lot of these guns recently it seems like
S - hel rifle and co
A - shotgun and co
F - everything else
Just a note
which is such a bad take to read
Tier lists are infamous in most games for bringing the bad idea of overfocusing on it for newbie
not that they want weak more so that there's more words inbetween
Do you disagree that Shotgun and HCP at least are fairly strong weapons that are not overtuned in the slightest?
People are going to just see "Hel Rifle is in S let's take 4 of them"
Because choke and MGs are much much weaker.
You unironically should.
i mean yea but that's a different thing i just used the tierlist example cuz is easy
It will carry you.
id say as a whole id consider them a tiny tad bit over my prefered line, but a lot closer to it than many other guns
choke and mgs (arbalist way moreso than veruta and choke) are clearly a line below it
but a line, not 5 steps
this is true tho
people on r1c1 can legit carry a group if they shoot hel rifle even remotely well
Compared to Revo, HAR, or PR that are all weak, but much more functional weapons.
5 steps would mean smth like
6 shot, 2.5 sec reload choke mod would still not be it
I wouldn't advise a team of 4 newbies to all take the SAME loadout
It beats them making shit choices but they should have some balanced diet
I literally have a tier list where that is not the case, lmfao.
i know
but theres a difference between how you rank and describe them there
and how you recently have been talking (thats why i implied hyperbole)
Tbh the difference between some of the a tiers and the low tiers sometimes feels
Like this
Don't get me wrong, I don't think I'd ever pick the T3 weapons outside of for fun, but you are overrating MGs and choke if you think they are not clearly below T3.
This isn't the right way to think about it.
i think B tiers is quite rough yea
A lot of the power differences are going to be fairly subtle.
Like, 25 damage sawed-off was very weak.
and 30 damage sawed-off is very strong.
It is not a huge change that dramatically shifts the strength of a weapon.
4 mag
faster reload
more range
No, I mean what I say.
and legit 3 mag sawed off is not as busted as 4 mag
The 30 damage change is all sawed-off needed to be OP.
is the hyperbole because Ray is using hyperbole, or is it that you perceive there to be more hyperbole than is currently being used? both are possibilities and things ive dealt with before
I have played 3-mag
its a noticeable difference already (tho i still considered it rly good, while a lot of you guys said it wasnt at the time lol)
it is almost as strong.
sometimes people need time to make objective evaluation on things
The change not being noticed doesn't mean it wasn't significant.
it kinda depends on what people see some of these terms as
"very bad" and "shit" to me are very strong expressions in serious discussions
if it was just ray advising someone against using choke or mgs, thats different. Gotta bring along how bad they are compared to meta (if people asked for that)
I say choke is bad, because it was still bad in metas where it was a reasonable choice.
also consider ray
if 3 -> 4 isnt significant
how is choke 4 -> 6 suddenly "too much"
overall sawed off going from 3 (with less range) to 4 (with more range) shouldnt be a much more insane change than choke mod from 4 -> 6 (lets say 5 maybe even) and a ~0.3-0.4 better reload aswell)
Your kill speed on everything + huge downtime made it very lackluster even when it was the correct choice for R7E1 speeds.
what metas are that?
R7 until alt R2 it was fine due to the level being a lot lower
then ALT R3 attacked and everything changed
I'm not saying 3->4 isn't significant, I'm saying that the largest change for sawed-off was 30 damage.
that- i think it depends more on the weapon than just straight up the number itself, cuz 6 chokemod would just straight up dethrone all the 30 dmg weapons except like hel rifle
while sawed off dethroned nothing practically
Before 30 damage, it's probably a T4 weapon.
but still was a buff that was like significant
well thats clearly agreeable yes
sub 30 dmg with less range, mag and reload was atrocious
30 dmg sawed off was already pushing borderline T1 (as ray just said)
people underestimated the gun for a while
i was advocating for it, but people slept on it
it cant really "dethrone" stuff tho as theres nothing quite similar
i mean yeah but still like it was still very good and it obv like did a lot but still it's- not two more bullets like how chokemod would be
We were on the hel shotty train
Trying to convince people to run 3-4 copies of hel shotty
now it is 2 copies of sawd off and one hel shotty
Growing up is realizing HEL Revo and BC are the weakest T1 weapons.
Growing up is realizing that I need to make sure I have a pen player for the entity of gtfo%
Isn't it a bit bizzarre? "the weakest of the strongest tier"?
Oh you were being sarcastic nevermind my bad
Ngl
Is sawed off vs hel shotty the same as hel rifle vs hel gun
BC kinda has the issue choke started having
just far less extreme and with way more power
eh i think they still have arguably different strengths while dealing with things
probably
as in
they are "more" different
hel gun i don't think it's comparable to hel shottie even in this context-
hel shotty is better
its hel gun vs hel rifle
compared to
hel shotgun and sawed off
Respectively yea
it's sad, very sad, still the ones i have most fun playing at least
is hel revo the weakest t1 just out of purely being a main?
Ray could we do it
or like which ones the better main
Sawed-off and HEL Shotgun are stronger.
Yeah
sawed off is like scatter
sawed off is nutty
it basically does the job a main does at its peak
the other 2 are specials, having some "unlike main" downsides in exchange for massively inflated power
i feel like- still pen tho, hel revo may play harder but- maybe it's just me
i still feel like it wins
and i feel like hel shottie depends
No your just wrong
you can kinda compare it to scatter in the special slot
that things stats makes some things look like a main compared to it
Hel rev is good but
this is how u win arguments
If you need to kill anything big
ur so based
Ngl it's better
Xd
The fire rate is very good
It you compare sawed-off to pump directly, it has actual trade-offs instead of being weaker.
if you gave sawed off the 8 mag it would be so comical ngl
overshadows shotgun so much
I deadass don't think it needs anything to be better rn
Client HEL Shotgun is the same compared to CS, tbh.
well it wasnt about it being better or not
but imagine 8 shot sawed off 
Still has 3 barrels?
Like, you lose range and raw damage, but you get pen, which is honestly worth it.
6 mag is the sweet spot
The imaginary 5 shells are the friends we made along the way
9 shells sawed off
no its 2 now
It's literally just a minicatapult for shells
They dont even blow up they just gets ejected fast
In a universe where Maddox survived...
I had to hold waves myself with a small capacity + long reload weapon
Albeit I had hel revo but still rough
Another pub using a lot of ammo but nothing is dying.

well, remember when we spoke about R2E1? It's kicking our ass.
that other guy was overtly optimistic by saying that we'll get it done under 15-20 tries
I remember when I first joined we had a guy that celebrated after he cleared R2E1 for the first time
For over a month
Then he promptly disappeared
im trying to set fog to be extra thick through cconsole, does anybody know how?
There's a skill component we're missing, as in we're not solo speedrun gods of the game, but we're decent at shooting.
The bot we're running with gets confused with taking items and dropping them in the fog. I think we need to fail a few more times to get better organised about the rooms and the layout as 3 people.
3rd and 4th surge alarm keep fucking us in the ass.
bots cant pick up items mid combat
they will just drop it
and sometimes the cells are in a spot where bots cant pick them up
Just find someone to run r2e1 with instead of bots
if you keep failing

Gl
Or skip and hf
retrying a level 100 times is fine , but having to play through a 1-2 hour section you know you have no issue with just to get got by the final thing is just too rough. I dont mind repeating a level over and over and over , but when you work full time it's rough to spend a 6 hour session making 3 attempts on a level and still not succeeding per week.
Nah man, it sure as hell doesn't feel nice but then again, I recognise that we have to git gud+some rng.
It is what it is, game was made to be hard, we decided to play it.
the GTFO experience in a nutshell
game can be the hardest thing in existence , thats fine . Just too long levels for people who work full time and can only get the group together once a week to play
I think there's a checkpoint mod if you don't mind not getting steam achievements?
Didn't look into it but it might be a viable option
tbh if you are struggling so much with a part on a mission that a checkpoint mod seems to be the only way (and reaching said part takes you like 2 hours) then just skip the mission
Cuz thered certainly be stuff to improve on (like reaching it faster or safely 1-2trying it next time)
tbh the only rng i can see is scan position and if u cant rlly work around that i might just actually skip it to keep training
maybe some enemy sleeping rng but seems very banal
To add onto that checkpoint mods are liable to bug out your game even more than usual
Nothing sucks more than getting to extract and the scan not showing up
if you can reliably get to the difficult section but it takes 2 hours something is off
for r2e1 if you know what you're doing in the rest of the level (before error, assuming no resource room) it should be like 45 min at leisurely pace
grab a random instead of the bot
you need the faster/more dynamic human skills during the error
I would, but my friends are pretty adamant on keeping it only with the three of us so, uhm, hard stuff.
Only solution is to get better or to move on
^
it's all a matter of player comfort, really
Rundown 3 is nice
in general sure but on a specific level if you get to a section 20 times you should be pretty fast at it if you're not doing anything scuffed imo
Ye, that is true, practise is good.
I can't believe there was a whole ass choke mod dicussion and a whole ass sawed off discussion and no one asked the amazing question which is:
Would you rather have sawed off or choke as your main weapon?
Ain't no way u bought gtfo while having a job
i mean
4 vs 4 mag 30 vs 30 dmg and 70 vs 5 meters of range
idk
Are you implying you'd take choke?
Sawd off
Because of reload
easy
As that
instead of the boss dying it staggers
600 burst in main is funny but besides certain funny bossy moments it isn’t worth
boohooo
But chill
What is the mom entries her double BC phase
If I don’t kill her
Right now
this is where the fps limiter comes in
Oh
Good point
I might bring cconsole too
But he will steal them in phase 4?
just in case
The boosters I means
||But then during the bonus phase I can’t use the infection shooters to start the secret phase||
I have perfect boosters installed so he will be immune
my favorite part of gtfo
that time when henrikson said "SHAA" and flew in to stab schaeffer in the head
so we can fight the virus inside of him
Cant believe that fight ended with us getting to smooch henrikson on the lips like castle crushers
but we had to fight first
Literally wild
Great devs
henrikson would be our sister in this hypothetical
idk if I agree with the kissing part
but ig I Didnt get the true ending so it doesnt matter anyways
perma stuck phase 2,..,
Good fan service
Well not their fault they added the bloodline lore after r8 was already added on their tumbler
Well he might be because he was immune to Schaffer’s sliver tongue
But I don’t think there is any evidence of it
Otherwise
If only someone else beat the boss fight
Can’t find it on YouTube tho
Weird that you have to checkpoint on every level 2 twice unlock it
No wonder I found it
me and my boosters would never have figured it out unfortunately, so ig the spoilers are fine
fuck I missed the opportunity to call it henriksong
😭
Jaedmodo and white_99 spamming homophobic slurs in our lobby
evidence?
join and listen for yourself?
they left the vc
they keep leaving and joining
okay thank you!
@tropic acorn they will take care of it report WHITE_919
maybe
can a mod please come to #747!!
Jademodo
tingle
i know that guy irl
if you give me like $20 i will take care of him for you
Just seeing this, thanks for the heads up, yeah, generally best to send a DM to @uneven gulch (not ModMail, that's just a random person) or ping @ Moderators if it is an emergency.
(Try to avoid calling people out here in text channels, we don't want to see witch-hunting)
Witch hunt time 🕯️
Got auto modded but basically got called a slur as I joined a VC with white_99 in it
Last night*
Was interesting
Very interesting
I love witch hunting tho
(I doxxed the two players work address in media)
...wut
only 2?
Don’t make me do it to you
a real doxxer also doxes the person who reported it all
im torn between "no balls" and "dont"
Yeah
Do it no one lives in Australia anyway
ah yes
middle of the fucking desert, 23 sydney
Im coming for you
you what now
Erm, wrong city 🤓☝️
Didn’t a gtfo pub call you pimple ridden?
Yeah
wtf even is that insult?
Hard hit to the ego
Hey Frosty
He DM’d me a pic of my face as if the vid wasn’t public
the butterboy and white_799 convo was wild
Eh
You don’t have to be strong here
He also said I was a red head and ugly
they were talking to each other by using google translate
You can let it out
and i think someone accidentally type the Fword in russian in gg translate
Best type of shit talk
I broke down. I couldn’t take it anymore. The hate was too much, and he pushed me over the edge. I don’t think I can keep going with this hair colour
Dye it!
watta sigma
damn
And I like my girlfriend 🤷♂️
can you ask her to kill me first
dye her
Racist
Dye her eyes the opposite colour
***always ***
what did you learn in school jish
After being called ranga pubes a hundred times you get used to it
I think my next move is
Break it down
Finding a really tall bridge
dont tell me i should be studying
Maybe above water
you should do r4e1 with me
oh
more than 150 feet
I think the bridge would be faster
you can ask Voxy to do it with you
hes fond of doing it
dont die jish
we will have a gtfo vancouver players meetup soon
My friend group of players who have less than 50 hours in gtfo
should've pulled up to the gtfo wings meetup
in germany
"Dis is Panzerschreck." shoots at a tank sleeping in R6D3 "It Shreks Panzers."
I imagine that's how it went
uhhh it was more me laughing at how much taller eva was than hafumi
I guess someone said "This is Sturmmachinegewehr, it's the machine you sturm with as a gewehr."
Aren't Australians super tall too?
Uhhh maybe im like average
What's average in the land down under?
a little above average
175cm?
average male height is 175.6cm or 5'9"
yup






