#gtfo-related-questions

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soft crater
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:(

ocean spindle
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are shadows actually faster in solo?

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just heard that and i dont think it makes sense

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but it is gtfo

soft crater
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No?

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Besides only having 1 person to chase

ocean spindle
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i mean

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oh u mean like- nevermind

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i thought u meant sumn different but the answer is no

digital mural
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They are always slow af

plain snow
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shadow giants are omega fast in the other hand

soft crater
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That's crazy. I wonder why that possibly is

digital mural
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Crouching shadow giants prisonerefficiency

soft crater
plain snow
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they run at bbc speed

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and they are invis

ocean spindle
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my beloved

soft crater
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Though

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Iirc

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Shadow giants used to be faster

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Back when we had inf stamina

plain snow
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make mothers birth double as well

ocean spindle
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yes in og r2 they were funny

digital mural
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BBC mom when

plain snow
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BBM

soft crater
plain snow
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revert scatter to have pen like back then

soft crater
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Better yet. Revert sniper nerf

plain snow
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oh yea

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that's better you right

silent delta
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Like the ones that are bent over are faster than the ones standing up straight?

ocean spindle
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well yes but goes for every enemy

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that have different pposes

silent delta
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Really?

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For stuff like biters and shooters I thought it was just cosmetic

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I mean a cosmetic change that has different effects sure but I didn't realize they were actually coded differently

ocean spindle
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crab shooters, faster
striker shadows, faster
crouching shadow giants, faster
those r all i can think of rn ngl

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charger scouts faster but thats a given

silent delta
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I know shadow giants are wack

ocean spindle
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idk if strikers have diff speeds tho

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never checked

silent delta
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Are crab shooters actually faster?

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News to me

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This game is so silly

ocean spindle
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yeah chimken ones r slow

soft crater
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Chair can outrun baby strikers

tepid cloud
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will mods have much effect on others or just me so client sided?

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the only mods i installed were ping anything and a weapon overhaul which just adds a bunch of new weapons

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i personally wanna have more weapons to play with so dont know if the comunity is ok with it

upper ginkgo
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it's kinda up to your lobby

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ping anything isn't client sided (cause your teammates can see what you ping)

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modded weapons also aren't client sided

tepid cloud
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yea i see htat the bots haev teh weapons too

upper ginkgo
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some people are chill with it, some aren't, it's better to ask if you play with mods in public lobbies

tepid cloud
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which is most likely not i presume since everyone really plays vanilla

upper ginkgo
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a fair amount of people run qol mods, the people who run "game-changing" mods are pretty rare

tepid cloud
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which is like mine which adds a ton of new guns

green bronze
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resources stack is clearly qol

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also r5b2 would have been so good if it hadnt esxited

celest shard
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what is the window between hitting a charger scout and it becoming invulnerable

digital mural
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Instantly unless stagger

tepid cloud
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is it possible to have client sided weapons? i saw someone have 2 diffent versions of guns

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one was the malatack AR but the drum mag was replaced by a regular mag adn the stock was a little different, and the other was the koning sniper with a bigger mag altered stock and trigger

digital mural
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Ah

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Those are just gun "skins"

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You can change the how the gun looks

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Thats pretty much it

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It doesnt affect anything

frail heart
tepid cloud
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yea

frail heart
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Technically mods like that aren’t allowed in this server

tepid cloud
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im just getting really bored looking at teh same weapons

frail heart
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Honestly, modded weapons usually make the game easier, which can ruin your experience of the game

tepid cloud
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i generally just want better looking weapon which feel alot nicer

frail heart
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WHAT

digital mural
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The gun stats and shit stays the same

tepid cloud
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looking at that now but seems its not on thuunderstore so nexus it is

frail heart
digital mural
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yourself

frail heart
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Weapon balancing mods aren’t really bad

digital mural
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In the game files

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Not download a mod

frail heart
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Shit that’s meant to be used in FE2 where you fight a double headed kraken chicken that births tanks should be used there

digital mural
frail heart
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Hmm?

green bronze
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123

mental kiln
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lore log no play audio that count achievement?

frail heart
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Yeah

wet bear
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Does shadow giants take same amount of space for spawncap as normal giants or they're halved like normal shadows?

frail heart
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Also I was hyperbolising

frail heart
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I have

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They're both ass imo

neon gust
errant dome
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can close range aggro still trigger between zones?

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i.e smthing wakes up right in front of a zone seperating door (thats open ofc) and there is smthing right behind it

flat oar
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it can.

wet bear
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Just use grenade launcher so enemy see it explosion and then chainaggro full room

errant dome
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xd

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i see

fallen kite
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experimental

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i think 5-1 and 5-2 are actual levels

frail heart
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would have to play them

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i just dont really enjoy heavily modded rundowns

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because a lot of the time they dont really focus on level design

neon gust
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Sector 21, heat

wet bear
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1-1 to 5-2 is actual levels 1-3 and etc up to 5-5 is bonuses

green bronze
wet bear
neon gust
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I hope.im.not forgetting my medicine i swear it was 21

green bronze
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also why people would hate FE in general

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gun n run rundown

strange jolt
green bronze
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silly as fuck

frail heart
wet bear
hardy grotto
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It was 11

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Kinda forgot that rundown existed tbh

green bronze
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lf1m r8e2

strange jolt
uneven gulchBOT
errant dome
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lmao

green bronze
errant dome
green bronze
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idk

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we may or may not be full rn

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one friend is joining

errant dome
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kk

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if u still need 1 more u can ping and i can join

green bronze
still talon
lone mortar
wet bear
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How much of spawncap do shadow giants eat?

tiny wyvern
wet bear
finite stream
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i need advice on r2d2

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i cant get past wave 8 my resources just get sapped from the bots

digital mural
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best advice: dont run bots

errant dome
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what tools and guns are u using?

digital mural
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they will pick up resources
they prioritize meds and then ammo

errant dome
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also ya r2d2 with bots is very hard xd

finite stream
digital mural
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i really dont recommend sniper

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you can get better use by running hel rifle/helgun/burst cannon

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you can use them for big enemies and smaller

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sniper is just bad overall

errant dome
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van auken being carbine or smg?

neon gust
digital mural
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its carbine

neon gust
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to be a GTFO modder you have to have an ego the size of a country

finite stream
neon gust
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just look at everyone

digital mural
neon gust
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^

digital mural
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a lot of them have the same manu names

neon gust
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MANUFACTURER ALERT alert

digital mural
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we have like 3 drekkers
10 bucklands
etc etc

errant dome
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ya lul

finite stream
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thank you for letting me know i didnt even notice

finite stream
digital mural
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never give them precision or high damage weapons

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they work better with stuff like assault rifle/machine gun

errant dome
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Well as said earlier, best advice is to try with actual players, its not impossible to do r2d2 with bots but its one of the harder levels to do

finite stream
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thank you guys

errant dome
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goodluck o7

wet bear
neon gust
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because sure game dev its just making levels for pre stablish game right?

digital mural
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yes

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it is

wet bear
neon gust
wet bear
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You can have heavy smg in special slot

neon gust
ocean spindle
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i remember seeing a test a long time ago bout a dmg indicator r1c1 run and it saying the biggest dmg was made by HAR
maybe it should b done again

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to see which mg is better or if it is still HAR

minor fractal
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For bots?

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Because otherwise, it's just the player that is actually shooting enemies.

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regardless of loadout

ocean spindle
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forbots

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bottie bots

strange rover
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whats the best mission for the achievment where you do an A-tier level without using weapons?

ocean spindle
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it is not hard in any mission

errant dome
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i think r7a1 or r6a1

ocean spindle
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so if u havent gotten to r6 and wanna avoid spoils or whatev

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u can just run r1a1

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and foam every door ever

errant dome
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unless ur trying to do it solo is not rlly that hard ya

ocean spindle
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it does let u use tools

strange rover
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what tools would you recommend?

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going in as 2 players

ocean spindle
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uhh probs just foam and mines
and melee the enemies that come at the extract

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and foam the ground n shit

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just to make it even easier

errant dome
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if u find foam grenades even better

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actually speaking of acheivments, regarding the bio acheivment, how does that work when it comes to scouts?

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u have to trigger them to get it? or only have to worry about it if u trip one

ocean spindle
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u have to ping em but not activate them

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if u activate one u have to ping the enemies they summon

errant dome
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i see i see

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one of the random acheivments ive been 2 lazy 2 do lul

ocean spindle
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its tbh pretty tiring so

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i dont blame u

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it costed me a lot of attwempts on r2b1 and then i just did r1b1 n got it

errant dome
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pretty much why i didnt bother, and will likely continue to not bother

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if i get all logs maybe ill think about it for the 100% steam acheivments

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also why r2b1 btw?

ocean spindle
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cuz it had very few sleeping enemies to ping and also no extract alarmç

errant dome
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oh true i forgot about no extraction alarm

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fair

strange rover
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okay thx guys trying r6a1 now

ocean spindle
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good luuuck

errant dome
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o7

silent delta
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I thought r8a1 was considered to be the easiest

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Cuz you can just foam+mine anything you can't melee

ocean spindle
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thats true i forgor

strange rover
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so yea this is not really possible with only 2 people, probably gonna try as a full squad at some point 🥲

fallen kite
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guys

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i just used scattergun for first time

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properly

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in R4E1

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this gun cannot be real

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wrong chat kurwa

finite oracle
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in r5e1 is it possible to along deactivating the error alarm and also deactivate a zone alarm scan aswell if you initiate it?

sturdy glen
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yes

errant dome
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is that intended btw? im guessing prolly no

upper ginkgo
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prob not

errant dome
fallen kite
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its just how the games coded unfortunately, the 'DEACTIVATE_ALARMS' command isn't linked to an individual alarm so you can use it to deactivate any and all alarms

errant dome
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i see

fallen kite
past mesa
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Check the spelling it is call deactivate alarmS

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has the s

fallen kite
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is it just the case they didnt epxect you to have multiple alarms active at once

fallen kite
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alongside the error

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or uplinks

past mesa
fallen kite
past mesa
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R7d1

fallen kite
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wasnt that the one level they talked abt in the dev QnA

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where they were like "No we didnt mean for it to do that"

past mesa
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Yeah how it is intended

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I think they said

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It was intended

fallen kite
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damn alr

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fair enough

regal inlet
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I haven't played gtfo for long, I've already forgor, enemies with tumors get maximum tumor damage or damage can exceed tumors' hp?

i recall there were two updates, one made sniper go nuts against tumor enemies, the other tried to fix it, how it is now?

hardy grotto
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single shots of damage cannot exceed max tumor hp yes

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You’re just no longer punished as host for sniping a tumor that’s already been damaged

regal inlet
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so host and client cannot kill tank with few shots from sniper?

silent delta
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No now you can do the exact same thing with scattergun

hardy grotto
regal inlet
silent delta
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Yep

regal inlet
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okay, thx

minor fractal
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You can spread your damage across the tumors to get a two-shot

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But it is incredibly precise.

minor fractal
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Client does not have this problem, you pick the two biggest blobs and shoot them, which does all of your damage and kills.

hardy grotto
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i would say u cant

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not easily

regal inlet
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but overall host now don't lose damage over client whatsoever, is it right?

hardy grotto
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on single shot weapons yeah

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scattergun will always work differently cause its a ton of pellets that register before the tumor breaks for client

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whereas if ur host tumor just breaks instantly

regal inlet
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well, i think i got it, thx for answers

hardy grotto
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👍

swift reef
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r8a2 extreme password? password website is not working

soft crater
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the password should've reset just today

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might be funky and still be the previous one for whatever reason

swift reef
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already tried it

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still doesn't work

soft crater
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rip. not sure then.

tiny wyvern
swift reef
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nvm I was stupid and misread the O as a 0

strange rover
flat oar
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No

wet bear
strange rover
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ah okay makes sense

fathom ice
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how speedrunners check logs for objective items

tardy ingot
tardy ingot
fathom ice
fathom ice
tardy ingot
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I tagged in speedrunning chat

fathom ice
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ty man life saver

frail heart
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STFU is a speedrunning server lmao

soft crater
twin terrace
frail heart
civic wave
civic wave
frail heart
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Holy shit lmao

frail heart
civic wave
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that doesn't count

frail heart
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Uhuh

civic wave
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who's even in STFU nowadays

fathom ice
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i'm not familiar with servers sorry 😭

tardy ingot
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mostly anyone whos been in it before d4rkevThink

frail heart
civic wave
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yeah well i can't remember who was in it before because i've been gone from it for about uh

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8 months?

tardy ingot
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so its where youll find speed info

fathom ice
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ty eva

frail heart
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No key maps tho L

digital mural
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ewwwww speedrunners

tardy ingot
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lol

civic wave
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on the speedrun info server

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not the speedrun server

tardy ingot
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no

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on the actual server

civic wave
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or in the speedrun steam guides

tardy ingot
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you all just never bother checking anything

civic wave
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where

tardy ingot
hardy grotto
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Just never be the person handling keys so you never have to know where they are

sturdy glen
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or just dont speedrun

hardy grotto
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Even better

tardy ingot
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just dont have a pc

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spend your money on warhammer 40k figures

civic wave
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i'm happier when not speedrunning

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much better for the tendons

frail heart
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I have no choice

civic wave
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you do

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choose your health over speedrunning a game nobody cares about

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i should've won the speedrunning competition and sold my place for £800 to get hormones tbh

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best speedrunning outcome

frail heart
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Should’ve

wet bear
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Just don't speedrun so you don't need to bother about key maps

frail heart
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I’ve spent too long making keymaps to not use them

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I’m looking at you r4b1

simple fable
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Is there a consistent way of herding the spawns through one of the three doors in the side room in R2E1, second surge alarm?

We're inconsistent and a lot of it is RNG dependant (bot keeps dying if it goes on for too long)

past mesa
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2nd

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There is no consistent way to funnel them through the doors

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But you can rng it

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Just choose one

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Then let close everything else

simple fable
upper ginkgo
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you can just remove dauda and trio the scan tbh

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i don't think the extra bot provides much fire power anyway

prime musk
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why is hel gun so good
like i can't ammobalance when i have hel gun because i can't stop shooting it

ocean spindle
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its for pro gamers

prime musk
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/if i start shooting main i just output so much less damage it's like, getting overrun

simple fable
ocean spindle
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dauda the silly

past mesa
green bronze
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helo

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hello Jish

past mesa
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Hello

fallen kite
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you'll find a happy medium

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bc hel revo is as good for damage output if you shoot it fast

green bronze
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i miss og r4 revolver SkadiDaijoubu

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no recoil

silent delta
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man idk if i have a skill issue or something but i hate the hel gun lmao

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i feel like i never do anything with it

errant dome
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i like the sound it makes

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but i suck with it tbh xD

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so i rarely use it

silent delta
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real

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i feel like since it one shots smalls on headshots i have to go for those

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but im shit at hitting them anyway, and hel guns chargeup+recoil makes it worse so i miss half my shots

errant dome
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ya ive never been good with weapons that have alot of recoil

tiny wyvern
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Just use hel pp or machine pis

silent delta
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machine piss is funny

tiny wyvern
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If you sniff someone's back

silent delta
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also those are in two different slots ya dumb fuck

tiny wyvern
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You do real damage

errant dome
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machine pistol is prolly my least fav weapon in da game

silent delta
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i mean in its optimal range it puts in work

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its optimal range being melee range

errant dome
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xd

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if u full auto with that shit from anything beyond meelee range it misses so much

green bronze
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why games dead

flat oar
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cuz it no gacha

tiny wyvern
prime musk
green bronze
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i love fucking around in r7d2 with the hel gun

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i think i dealt like 4000 damage in just 5 minutes into the level

wet bear
green bronze
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modded broke you TrappedStare

errant dome
fierce walrus
frail heart
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pdw is just utility

hardy grotto
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its a better pdw except its still an auto so it sucks

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lol

tardy ingot
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Its less that it being an auto is what means it sucks

And more that basically all autos suck

digital mural
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Thats why Hel shotgun is bad

hardy grotto
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i guess ive never seen a situation where like

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autos are ACTUALLY balanced

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theyre always the worst guns in the modded rundowns ive played as well

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i think semi autos are just really good in the hands of ppl that can aim

tardy ingot
hardy grotto
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old patch?

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coward

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shouldve kept bullpup meta

tardy ingot
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it was the same patch where zander had revo in main slot
but buffed (faster reload, more ammo)

hardy grotto
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revo in main slot honestly is so fun

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using it in legacy was great

civic wave
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sometimes when i'm using pdw i kill 2-3 strikers in a mag and go "maybe this gun isn't so bad" and then i remember that i'd kill twice as many with hel revo

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  • more ammo + more range etc etc etc
soft crater
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Y hevy smg not speshal

prime musk
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is it worth it to play for headshots on hybrids with hel gun

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or should i just spam

grizzled patrol
prime musk
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makes sense

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kinda difficult to see what i can pen through a hybird but it makes sense

upper ginkgo
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i usually pop 2-3 shots to head / body just to prevent barrage so i can clean up smalls first

sturdy glen
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Just imagine the enemy

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They move predictably, it's not too bad to figure out where they'd be

prime musk
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just blindly firing usually works to get pen anyways

sturdy glen
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Sadly

fathom ice
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game doesn't launch with mods

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any thoughts

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it says 'waiting for system assets to initiate' and that's it

grizzled patrol
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mods in the wrong folder?

fathom ice
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tried doing diff profiles same shit

stiff hearth
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why r2d2 solo players prefers to spawncap giants in the last waves?

civic wave
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welll, really just those few messages from Chill

twin terrace
hardy grotto
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She still kited it lol

sturdy glen
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Tldr you can't full shoot it therefore who cares

silent delta
minor fractal
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The fastest strat for it doesn't clear in time consistently.

silent delta
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just highroll

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gamblers never lose 💯

sturdy glen
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true

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highroll the like

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3 different hybrid waves all spawning from the direction your sniper sentry is placed

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and then hoping the sentry actually shoots them

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and then still probably be overcapped on the massive amount of strikers spawning at the end

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let me put it this way

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wave 10 spawns roughly 50% more enemies than the previous 8 (1-8) waves

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its actually insane

past mesa
prime musk
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how big are the charger waves on r1c2 class 4 alarm

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genuinely feels like it's 30 or something

frail heart
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normal

prime musk
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yeah but like how many are there other than "like 30"

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i kill like 12 and then need to reload hel rifle and then get pushed so hard

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(im soloing)

civic wave
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i might have my vid of it somewhere on my hard drive, mostly just getting damage in and kiting backwards/kiting around

sage pulsar
prime musk
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sawed off

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im maybe spending 4-5 seconds to get those kills in with hel rifle

sage pulsar
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Are they coming from really far away

prime musk
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kinda not really

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you have decent sightlines but when you retreat they're broken

sage pulsar
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As in

What distance do they travel before they enter your room

prime musk
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oh

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kinda far

sage pulsar
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Yeah thats the issue

prime musk
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depends what spawnpoint (there are 2)

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one is kinda far and the other one isn't

sage pulsar
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Do the spawns converge

prime musk
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no

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different doors to alarm room

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high cal might be more fluid and and play better with the room and have slightly better uptime but my kills/time is inevitably worse with it because no pen

sage pulsar
prime musk
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as in auto sentry?

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i could try

silent delta
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Just ladderfoam 🙃

sage pulsar
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before I take a huge dump in technical support channel,

does not updating nvidia drivers cause gtfo to shit itself

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( given I've been playing for a few months just fine by now )

sage pulsar
civic wave
safe cradle
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Or around that

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Perhaps even before that

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It's hard to tell. Assuming people aren't having issue with 1060s and IIRC those don't get driver update since a long time, I dont think it does anything as along as it isn't like 10 years ago drivers or whatnot.

soft crater
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I remember when quite a few ppl complained about high Cals range and then got hit with the 25 dmg.

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At least we got 30 dmg back

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25 dmg high cal was weird.

keen path
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GTFO is more likely to crash because of cpu

digital mural
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With GTFO
Everything is possible

fallen kite
soft crater
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High cal was becoming the go to weapon prior kinda

fallen kite
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25 dmg high cal sounds like the worst special weapon ever

soft crater
soft crater
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Or swap shot shooters if you didn't hit head

fallen kite
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lmfao

soft crater
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Idk. And then AR never got touched

fallen kite
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as in never buffed or nerfed

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like was it in a good state

soft crater
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I believe it got changes in older patches

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But nothing significant to my knowledge

lunar rain
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It felt weird to use

minor fractal
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It was kind of an anti-striker weapon.

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But like, if you're competent you just play Revo

fallen kite
fallen kite
minor fractal
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Tbh, I think a 20 damage HCP (basically current slug) could be neat if you gave it 15 per refill and a 7-mag.

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But current HCP seems pretty balanced as-is.

fallen kite
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Anymore

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To me

minor fractal
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Depends on what you think of HCP as being.

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But now that slug is in the game, it'd make more sense to buff that instead.

hardy grotto
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didnt TC like 25 dmg high cal

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specifically, i think they preferred it to choke

fallen kite
hardy grotto
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i just dont remember if the duo happened with 25 damage or 30

minor fractal
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i.e. R2E1

hardy grotto
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which one was that?

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in a 21 minute run theyve got 2 high cals

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1 choke and 1 sniper

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i suppose the choke is just for faster big killing tbh

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i just remember arguments abt it and i think they would talk about swapping to hel revo to finish chargers

sturdy glen
#

I thought 25 damage was better ngl

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It gives you what you want from 15 damage revo but also a one shot on strikers at ok range

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For a bit less ammo

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Like no one is taking high cal for chargers and shooters rn anyways

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And no one takes revo

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So fuck it what was wrong

hardy grotto
#

tbh that was r7 and we didnt have hel rifle or hel gun so back then i imagine people liked it into chargers

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but i do kinda agree with just swapping to hel revo

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even penning 2 chargers with 1 shot you can just 1 tap both with high cal

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nowadays it'd be interesting i guess

silent delta
#

Idk I've always thought choke was overhated

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Slow reload + low clip size is painful but it still kills shit

hardy grotto
#

yea, there sure is a short supply of weapons that kill shit

silent delta
#

Idk how to quantify it better

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Also it's definitely outclassed but I don't think that necessitates it being bad

tardy ingot
minor fractal
#

The 11.smth is also what it is rn.

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Or, no, it's 10 rn.

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It could go back to 11.smth and be fine, tbh.

past mesa
#

25 damage high cal was fine

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the main issue that I had with that version and now

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Is that they buffed ammo Econ while moving it to 25

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Then kept the buff ammo Econ after raising the damage

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Like it doesn’t matter high cal can have it no issue it is just insane that they don’t think about that it literally killed chok mod(good) in alt r1-2

minor fractal
#

Choke mod was bound to die anyway.

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I already predicted a very long time ago, that I thought choke mod might actually be a really bad gun.

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And now that it doesn't have an exclusive niche in very specific content, it is actually very bad.

ocean spindle
#

it's not very bad, it's outnumbered but saying "very bad" sounds like too much

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like very bad, hel fun 0.3 short rifle the arbalist

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"just mediocre" feels like suits choke mod better

soft crater
#

The last time I took chokemod.

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I thought to myself.

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Why didn't I just bring high cal.

tardy ingot
ocean spindle
hardy grotto
#

except slendi's opinion is already disregarded for calling 0.3 hel gun bad lmfao

soft crater
sturdy glen
#

I mean ngl

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if we look at what hel gun hel rifle and scatter can all do

#

yea I think most specials are very bad

minor fractal
#

And even the 2nd Special tier is very limiting in comparison.

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And I do like the T2 specials, but they're still clearly weaker.

tardy ingot
minor fractal
#

But choke is still bad in a balanced metagame.

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Sniper, HCP, BC, and even a nerfed Scatter would probably all be better.

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Choke has really bad uptime, and is very weak among similar versatile options.

ocean spindle
ocean spindle
past mesa
#

Is a okay reload

tardy ingot
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"even nerfed scatter"
moot point, unless you nerf scatter perfectly to balanced status (which I do agree that choke is below the balanced line) cuz youd have no clue how it would be nerfed

sniper - disagree, unless you also buff it (or nerf all the other options down, at which point choke becomes better also anyway in context)
HCP is a clear agree tho IF hel rifle and co would be nerfed

the point wasnt that choke is balanced
the point wasnt that choke in a perfectly balanced meta game (so a lot changed, but choke unchanged? lol) would be good
the point was that comparing choke to hel rifle to call it bad is kinda moot when you call hel rifle broken at the same time

imo, choke is subpar. Its on the edge to bad, but not quite. If you compare it to (my) a rough balanced baseline
its certainly bad compared to the top tiers, but those are busted anyway

civic wave
#

is this the courtesy gun argument of the week?

safe cradle
#

Yes

tardy ingot
#

eh i just see a lot of hyperboles and basing stuff on the top tier guns (which i thought were clearly implied to be too good) recently

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and wanted to point it out

safe cradle
#

Featuring: D4RKEVA, Rayalot, Slendo, Jish, Chill Dude and Gerz

tardy ingot
#

its not rly a gun argument

safe cradle
#

Grab a ticket and popcorns here 🍿

tardy ingot
#

also

civic wave
tardy ingot
#

im goat now

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i ate curry twice today

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with massive naan

civic wave
#

Lucky

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All I've had is some pasta from the store and a frozen pizza with a little bit of added salad

safe cradle
#

I cooked my own Fettucce

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garlic, oil, oregano, tomato, anchovy

civic wave
#

sounds tasty

safe cradle
#

it was

minor fractal
safe cradle
#

It's near season to pick olives

minor fractal
#

My point is that there is a very large power difference between the weapons that are even best and second best, and choke is very low down among all of those.

ocean spindle
tardy ingot
#

which imo has to be a strict hyperbole

minor fractal
#

No.

minor fractal
#

The MGs are very bad.

tardy ingot
#

very bad means what to you

minor fractal
#

Choke is very bad.

tardy ingot
#

very bad to me means you are gonna massively struggle to clear anything

minor fractal
#

You should find any way to avoid taking these weapons that you can.

tardy ingot
#

which obviously they arent

ocean spindle
#

short rifle ranks in there or

minor fractal
#

That's not true of any weapon.

tardy ingot
#

to me it feels like you put very bad as "mild inconvenience"

minor fractal
#

If you are a mediocre player on bad weapons...

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Choke and MGs will just hold you back

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they will hold you back a lot, even.

tardy ingot
civic wave
#

very bad = you're limiting your output compared to taking an actual gun imo

tardy ingot
minor fractal
#

The MGs and choke are not just mildly inconvenient, they do not perform well, even in content that favors them.

tardy ingot
#

burst cannon is very bad since you are limiting your output over scatter

ocean spindle
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i guess it's a way to describe it but it seems like if in a tier list C D and B barely existed

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and u just put weapons that aren't in A directly into F

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which like sure it's a way to see it

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but also i don't agree

tardy ingot
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thx slendo

minor fractal
#

You are only interpreting me as being hyperbolic because you assume that I do not literally consider these weapons to be weak.

civic wave
#

Shotgun still has benefit over hel gun
BC over scatter as well

are they as strong as each other? No, but playing pedantic isn't going to do anything for the discussion at large

minor fractal
#

But I do, genuinely, consider them to be weak.

tardy ingot
#

with how ray is talking about a lot of these guns recently it seems like

S - hel rifle and co
A - shotgun and co
F - everything else

safe cradle
#

Just a note

tardy ingot
#

which is such a bad take to read

safe cradle
#

Tier lists are infamous in most games for bringing the bad idea of overfocusing on it for newbie

ocean spindle
minor fractal
#

Do you disagree that Shotgun and HCP at least are fairly strong weapons that are not overtuned in the slightest?

safe cradle
#

People are going to just see "Hel Rifle is in S let's take 4 of them"

minor fractal
#

Because choke and MGs are much much weaker.

minor fractal
ocean spindle
minor fractal
#

It will carry you.

tardy ingot
tardy ingot
minor fractal
#

No, not a line.

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They are genuinely 5 steps.

tardy ingot
#

people on r1c1 can legit carry a group if they shoot hel rifle even remotely well

minor fractal
#

Compared to Revo, HAR, or PR that are all weak, but much more functional weapons.

tardy ingot
#

5 steps would mean smth like

6 shot, 2.5 sec reload choke mod would still not be it

safe cradle
tardy ingot
#

again

S
A
F

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thats how your list looks rn

safe cradle
#

It beats them making shit choices but they should have some balanced diet

minor fractal
#

I literally have a tier list where that is not the case, lmfao.

tardy ingot
#

i know

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but theres a difference between how you rank and describe them there

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and how you recently have been talking (thats why i implied hyperbole)

past mesa
minor fractal
#

Don't get me wrong, I don't think I'd ever pick the T3 weapons outside of for fun, but you are overrating MGs and choke if you think they are not clearly below T3.

minor fractal
tardy ingot
minor fractal
#

A lot of the power differences are going to be fairly subtle.

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Like, 25 damage sawed-off was very weak.

#

and 30 damage sawed-off is very strong.

tardy ingot
#

kinda

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but also

minor fractal
#

It is not a huge change that dramatically shifts the strength of a weapon.

tardy ingot
#

4 mag
faster reload
more range

minor fractal
#

No, I mean what I say.

tardy ingot
#

and legit 3 mag sawed off is not as busted as 4 mag

minor fractal
#

The 30 damage change is all sawed-off needed to be OP.

civic wave
#

is the hyperbole because Ray is using hyperbole, or is it that you perceive there to be more hyperbole than is currently being used? both are possibilities and things ive dealt with before

minor fractal
#

I have played 3-mag

tardy ingot
#

its a noticeable difference already (tho i still considered it rly good, while a lot of you guys said it wasnt at the time lol)

minor fractal
#

it is almost as strong.

civic wave
minor fractal
#

The change not being noticed doesn't mean it wasn't significant.

tardy ingot
minor fractal
#

I say choke is bad, because it was still bad in metas where it was a reasonable choice.

tardy ingot
#

also consider ray

if 3 -> 4 isnt significant

how is choke 4 -> 6 suddenly "too much"

overall sawed off going from 3 (with less range) to 4 (with more range) shouldnt be a much more insane change than choke mod from 4 -> 6 (lets say 5 maybe even) and a ~0.3-0.4 better reload aswell)

minor fractal
#

Your kill speed on everything + huge downtime made it very lackluster even when it was the correct choice for R7E1 speeds.

tardy ingot
minor fractal
ocean spindle
#

while sawed off dethroned nothing practically

minor fractal
#

Before 30 damage, it's probably a T4 weapon.

ocean spindle
#

but still was a buff that was like significant

tardy ingot
minor fractal
#

With 30 damage, it's easily T2

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if not T1

tardy ingot
#

people underestimated the gun for a while

i was advocating for it, but people slept on it

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it cant really "dethrone" stuff tho as theres nothing quite similar

ocean spindle
#

i mean yeah but still like it was still very good and it obv like did a lot but still it's- not two more bullets like how chokemod would be

past mesa
#

Trying to convince people to run 3-4 copies of hel shotty

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now it is 2 copies of sawd off and one hel shotty

minor fractal
#

Growing up is realizing HEL Revo and BC are the weakest T1 weapons.

past mesa
safe cradle
#

Oh you were being sarcastic nevermind my bad

sturdy glen
#

Ngl
Is sawed off vs hel shotty the same as hel rifle vs hel gun

tardy ingot
#

BC kinda has the issue choke started having

just far less extreme and with way more power

tardy ingot
tardy ingot
#

as in
they are "more" different

ocean spindle
#

hel gun i don't think it's comparable to hel shottie even in this context-

past mesa
#

hel shotty is better

tardy ingot
#

its hel gun vs hel rifle

compared to

hel shotgun and sawed off

sturdy glen
#

Respectively yea

civic wave
past mesa
#

Brazil skip…

#

Make you remember

#

Brazil skip no foam…..

ocean spindle
#

is hel revo the weakest t1 just out of purely being a main?

past mesa
#

Ray could we do it

ocean spindle
#

or like which ones the better main

minor fractal
ocean spindle
#

sawed off...

#

mhhh

past mesa
#

Yeah

civic wave
#

sawed off is like scatter

past mesa
#

sawed off is nutty

civic wave
#

i fucking hate how disgustingly strong it is

#

and for how easily it plays too

tardy ingot
ocean spindle
#

i feel like- still pen tho, hel revo may play harder but- maybe it's just me

#

i still feel like it wins

#

and i feel like hel shottie depends

tardy ingot
#

you can kinda compare it to scatter in the special slot

that things stats makes some things look like a main compared to it

past mesa
#

Hel rev is good but

ocean spindle
past mesa
#

If you need to kill anything big

ocean spindle
#

ur so based

minor fractal
#

Pump shotgun as a Main is an unhinged prospect.

#

and it's sawed-off

past mesa
#

^

#

Shotgun in main

sturdy glen
#

Ngl it's better

past mesa
#

Xd

sturdy glen
#

The fire rate is very good

minor fractal
#

It you compare sawed-off to pump directly, it has actual trade-offs instead of being weaker.

tardy ingot
#

if you gave sawed off the 8 mag it would be so comical ngl

overshadows shotgun so much

sturdy glen
#

I deadass don't think it needs anything to be better rn

minor fractal
#

Client HEL Shotgun is the same compared to CS, tbh.

tardy ingot
minor fractal
#

Like, you lose range and raw damage, but you get pen, which is honestly worth it.

#

6 mag is the sweet spot

safe cradle
#

The imaginary 5 shells are the friends we made along the way

minor fractal
#

it solves all of the problems

#

It's two shells per barrel, makes some sense.

sturdy glen
#

Just load 3 shells per barrel

#

Fuck

#

Mobile diffed

safe cradle
#

9 shells sawed off

tardy ingot
safe cradle
#

It's literally just a minicatapult for shells

#

They dont even blow up they just gets ejected fast

safe cradle
soft crater
#

Albeit I had hel revo but still rough

#

Another pub using a lot of ammo but nothing is dying.

simple fable
#

that other guy was overtly optimistic by saying that we'll get it done under 15-20 tries

tiny wyvern
#

For over a month

#

Then he promptly disappeared

languid glacier
#

im trying to set fog to be extra thick through cconsole, does anybody know how?

tiny wyvern
#

Maybe ask that in you know

#

Modded?

simple fable
digital mural
#

bots cant pick up items mid combat

#

they will just drop it

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and sometimes the cells are in a spot where bots cant pick them up

tiny wyvern
#

Just find someone to run r2e1 with instead of bots
if you keep failing

sudden scroll
simple fable
digital mural
sudden scroll
#

game can be the hardest thing in existence , thats fine . Just too long levels for people who work full time and can only get the group together once a week to play

simple fable
tardy ingot
ocean spindle
#

tbh the only rng i can see is scan position and if u cant rlly work around that i might just actually skip it to keep training

#

maybe some enemy sleeping rng but seems very banal

tiny wyvern
#

Nothing sucks more than getting to extract and the scan not showing up

prime musk
#

if you can reliably get to the difficult section but it takes 2 hours something is off
for r2e1 if you know what you're doing in the rest of the level (before error, assuming no resource room) it should be like 45 min at leisurely pace

silent delta
#

you need the faster/more dynamic human skills during the error

simple fable
digital mural
#

Skip then

#

Rundown 3 time

silent delta
#

^

civic wave
digital mural
#

Rundown 3 is nice

prime musk
simple fable
native sun
#

I can't believe there was a whole ass choke mod dicussion and a whole ass sawed off discussion and no one asked the amazing question which is:
Would you rather have sawed off or choke as your main weapon?

hard nexus
#

Ain't no way u bought gtfo while having a job

ocean spindle
#

idk

native sun
past mesa
#

Because of reload

#

easy

#

As that

sturdy glen
#

instead of the boss dying it staggers

past mesa
#

600 burst in main is funny but besides certain funny bossy moments it isn’t worth

sturdy glen
#

boohooo

past mesa
#

What is the mom entries her double BC phase

#

If I don’t kill her

#

Right now

sturdy glen
#

this is where the fps limiter comes in

past mesa
#

Oh

sturdy glen
#

and the boosters for the infectious fog next phase

#

dw I come prepared

past mesa
#

Good point

sturdy glen
#

I might bring cconsole too

past mesa
#

But he will steal them in phase 4?

sturdy glen
#

just in case

past mesa
#

The boosters I means

sturdy glen
#

oh no he gets infection resist

#

im so screwed

past mesa
#

||But then during the bonus phase I can’t use the infection shooters to start the secret phase||

#

I have perfect boosters installed so he will be immune

sturdy glen
#

BRO

#

dont spoil how to get the true ending for me

#

what the fuck

past mesa
#

Oh shit

#

Mb I thought we were in spoilers

sturdy glen
#

my favorite part of gtfo

#

that time when henrikson said "SHAA" and flew in to stab schaeffer in the head

#

so we can fight the virus inside of him

past mesa
#

Cant believe that fight ended with us getting to smooch henrikson on the lips like castle crushers

#

but we had to fight first

#

Literally wild

#

Great devs

sturdy glen
#

henrikson would be our sister in this hypothetical

#

idk if I agree with the kissing part

#

but ig I Didnt get the true ending so it doesnt matter anyways

#

perma stuck phase 2,..,

past mesa
#

Good fan service

past mesa
sturdy glen
#

do you think alt henrikson would be made of void

#

thoughts

past mesa
#

Well he might be because he was immune to Schaffer’s sliver tongue

#

But I don’t think there is any evidence of it

#

Otherwise

sturdy glen
#

guess we'll never know...

#

maybe when henriksonsong comes out

past mesa
#

If only someone else beat the boss fight

#

Can’t find it on YouTube tho

#

Weird that you have to checkpoint on every level 2 twice unlock it

#

No wonder I found it

sturdy glen
#

me and my boosters would never have figured it out unfortunately, so ig the spoilers are fine

#

fuck I missed the opportunity to call it henriksong

past mesa
#

Unfortunate get better at improv

#

Also don’t bully me

sturdy glen
#

😭

fallow fox
#

Jaedmodo and white_99 spamming homophobic slurs in our lobby

fallow fox
#

join and listen for yourself?

green bronze
#

they left the vc

fallow fox
#

they keep leaving and joining

green bronze
#

yeah just send a screenshot or a video to @tropic acorn

#

they will take care of it

fallow fox
winged mango
ocean spindle
fallow fox
#

can a mod please come to #747!!

green bronze
#

Jademodo

#

tingle

#

i know that guy irl

#

if you give me like $20 i will take care of him for you

native sun
wet bear
#

Witch hunt time 🕯️

soft crater
#

Got auto modded but basically got called a slur as I joined a VC with white_99 in it

#

Last night*

#

Was interesting

topaz anvil
#

Very interesting

past mesa
#

(I doxxed the two players work address in media)

tiny wyvern
fierce walrus
past mesa
#

Don’t make me do it to you

fierce walrus
#

a real doxxer also doxes the person who reported it all

digital mural
#

Ill pay you

fierce walrus
past mesa
#

Yeah

fierce walrus
#

well then

#

dont balls

frail heart
fierce walrus
digital mural
fierce walrus
frail heart
#

Erm, wrong city 🤓☝️

past mesa
digital mural
#

Damn

#

Auto modded

frail heart
fierce walrus
past mesa
digital mural
#

Hey Frosty

frail heart
#

He DM’d me a pic of my face as if the vid wasn’t public

green bronze
#

the butterboy and white_799 convo was wild

frail heart
past mesa
frail heart
#

He also said I was a red head and ugly

green bronze
#

they were talking to each other by using google translate

past mesa
#

You can let it out

green bronze
#

and i think someone accidentally type the Fword in russian in gg translate

past mesa
frail heart
green bronze
#

watta sigma

frail heart
#

She would kill me

green bronze
#

damn

frail heart
#

And I like my girlfriend 🤷‍♂️

green bronze
#

can you ask her to kill me first

fierce walrus
frail heart
past mesa
#

Dye her eyes the opposite colour

fierce walrus
past mesa
#

So the light. Becomes canceled out

#

And she sees no difference

frail heart
#

Hmmmm

#

True

green bronze
#

what did you learn in school jish

frail heart
#

After being called ranga pubes a hundred times you get used to it

past mesa
#

I learn that Econ students

#

Happily throw away 10000 of dollars

green bronze
#

rip

#

whats your next move

#

vocational school?

past mesa
#

I think my next move is

frail heart
#

Break it down

past mesa
#

Finding a really tall bridge

green bronze
#

dont tell me i should be studying

past mesa
#

Maybe above water

green bronze
#

you should do r4e1 with me

green bronze
past mesa
#

more than 150 feet

past mesa
green bronze
#

you can ask Voxy to do it with you

#

hes fond of doing it

#

dont die jish

#

we will have a gtfo vancouver players meetup soon

past mesa
#

5 people

#

Or less

green bronze
#

yeah 5

#

idk what will we even do

soft crater
#

such sadness.

#

Everyone I've met irl that has played gtfo are newbies

past mesa
frail heart
#

in germany

safe cradle
#

I imagine that's how it went

frail heart
#

uhhh it was more me laughing at how much taller eva was than hafumi

safe cradle
#

I guess someone said "This is Sturmmachinegewehr, it's the machine you sturm with as a gewehr."

safe cradle
frail heart
#

Uhhh maybe im like average

safe cradle
#

What's average in the land down under?

frail heart
#

a little above average

safe cradle
#

175cm?

frail heart
#

average male height is 175.6cm or 5'9"

safe cradle
#

yup