gtfo-related-questions

[worn crow]

https://youtu.be/_8O14E_dRvY?t=89

[safe cradle]

A small note is that I think it also counts distance from entry point to closest door without accounting for obstacles (I mean basically air distance instead of path), I'll be sincere, I never tested it, but it justifies why they go downstairs on the left for R1B1 second alarm instead of sharp right.

Also justifies OG R6C1 pathing on alarm for giants zone since they preferred going upstairs to the sharp left instead of just going for big door on the left

I NEVER tested any of this but I think it MIGHT be why they choose those doors

Of course as already said by others if they come (or spawn) close to door X they decide to smash it no matter what.

[soft crater]

-# "Small note"

[broken gale]

any tips for soloing r2b1, I get overwhelmed at the fifth scan every time

[soft crater]

Solo with bots or true solo?

[broken gale]

true solo

[soft crater]

Really close all potential doors if you're running mines to start.

Otherwise sentry

[broken gale]

im going with mines

[soft crater]

Closing doors without mines really just bunches enemies making akin to a blood door but not

[broken gale]

i mine every door. problem is just when the door and mines are spent the enemies can just run through freely and i have to deal with them which i dont have to firepower for

[soft crater]

And well the room is relatively big and has structures you can maneuver around. Aside from being able to shoot well

[sturdy glen]

what guns are you running

[broken gale]

DMR and normal shotgun

[sturdy glen]

is that working for you

[broken gale]

i've tried alot of options and this one works best

maybe I need to just keep trying.

[soft crater]

Given it's after the mines are gone

Yeah. It's really all up to gunplay and scan rng. +positioning movement.

DMR is nice for shooter one taps/striker 2 taps

Making wrong moves will often times make you have enemies run at you from unfavorable directions

Or enemies front and back

(Personally I may end up soloing myself. My connection in gtfo has been absolute shit) and yes I've done the stuff in #1281414730090811503

[broken gale]

I've seen that for other people, the hordes only come from one side in r2b1, is that anything to do with the state of the doors or is it just RNG

[upper ginkgo]

isn't sentry the better tool to run for r2b1 anyway

i think it's a lot easier to deal with cause running mines just means dealing with more full waves

[ocean spindle]

blood door tho

[upper ginkgo]

the alarm is harder than all the blood doors

[silent delta]

r2b1 is fuckin short and tiny

mines just make it require less effort

and its not like the third turret is that much more necessary

theres many doors you can mine for the class 7

[upper ginkgo]

ummm we're talking about solo'ing r2b1

[prime musk]

turret easier unless you do the class 3 and get a billion mines and out everywhere on all the doors and in the room

[silent delta]

oh solo?

nvm

yeah turret

[silent delta]

hel revo/sawed off/hel shotty/carbine are also good main picks
hel rifle/high cal/combat shotty also good for speicaol

i cant spell but yk what i mean

[digital mural]

speicaol

[silent delta]

im speicaol

[digital mural]

You prove that every day

[silent delta]

ur so mean to me 💔

[soft crater]

Imo. Hel rifle would depend on the expedition. In which I wouldn't take it for R2B1

[livid stone]

L

[silent delta]

i think its fine

like, at worse, if you get absolutely 0 pierce, its basically just a stat swapped high cal

[tardy ingot]

iirc r2b1 solo speed record is with hel rifle

[soft crater]

:P imo

tho I won't lie

If I solo. I would prefer weapon selections from rundown specifics

(though I don't remember if OG R3 did have Hel rifle or not)

[civic wave]

it did

[soft crater]

:P

welp

[noble sierra]

<@&408548765599793173>

[hardy grotto]

it did

[timid compass]

Thank you for the heads up

[surreal path]

Hey, I was curious if, seeing as the game isn't getting updated that often anymore, is it possible that there will be an offline patch at some point in the future, before the end of the game's lifecycle?

[soft crater]

not likely

[silent delta]

I hope there will be

All I want is sniper buff 😔

[soft crater]

There was a mod to play offline but iirc that is deprecated now

[digital mural]

If there is You probably Will have to start from 0

[surreal path]

I mean, I have basically nothing right now, so I'm fine with that. Having that as even a separate progress thing, though not ideal, would be alright if that's how it would have to work. From what I understand, there are AI bots now, though they're not as competent as needed. An upgrade to that would be nice.

[digital mural]

Better bots cough cough

[surreal path]

I just hate that so many interesting game worlds will be inaccessible one day.

[digital mural]

Even then some levels are impossible

[digital mural]

There still a couple years until they pull the plug and even then
You probably Will already forget about the game

Just play it while You can

Every online service Will die one day

Every single one including discord

[surreal path]

I rarely buy anything that requires internet now because I don't want to get attached. The "play it while you can" thing rarely works for me.

I've gone back a lot and replayed all my old PS2 games, and 360, and PC, etc. I'd like to be able to do that with the current generation of games, so online requirement is 99% of the time a automatic no-buy for me. Granted, there are exceptions. I did buy this game after all.

It would just be nice if they eventually make it playable offline, even if it's only in a limited state.

[digital mural]

Have You played this game at all?

[surreal path]

A bit with a friend. Granted, we got to a point where it was nearly impossible because of enemy placement.

[digital mural]

?

Impossible?

Some enemy placement can fuck You up but never make it impossible

[surreal path]

We had to sneak around enemies and had not nearly enough ammo, and the placement meant we'd have to agro at least one to avoid another, which would agro all of them, so it became a bit of an RNG thing, hoping that each checkpoint reload might give us new spawns, but no such luck.

It would have required waaaay too much luck.

[digital mural]

Low res i see
Did You used terminals?

[surreal path]

I don't know that that refers to here. He's played the game a lot more than me.

[digital mural]

Also what level was it

[surreal path]

One of the early ones.

[digital mural]

You can use terminals to look for resources

You can list resources/objects in each zone

And ping them to know where they are

[surreal path]

Oh, yeah, we had basically found all the things, backtracking even, but no ammo. All of them were mines or something random, which have their uses, but it would have still been too much trial and error to try and get them to go the right way etc., so we got bored.

[digital mural]

Welcome to GTFO

This game is 90% trial and error

[surreal path]

Yeah, that part of it is what I was hoping wouldn't be part of the game. I was a bit disappointed to find out that a lot of runs were a waste of time due to failure out of my control.

[tiny wyvern]

wut dis
wut goin on

[digital mural]

There isnt much failure out of your control tho

[soft crater]

[tiny wyvern]

I mean... if you attribute lack of knowledge to being out of your control

[digital mural]

I have played hundreds of hours and all of my wipes are due to Bad decision making

[tiny wyvern]

Then you're correct I guess

Yea pablo's right about that

[digital mural]

Learning how and when to use Resources is really important

When to melee

[tiny wyvern]

Most of the time if you lose you're doing smth stupid or didn't know something can happen

[digital mural]

When to agro

How to use tools

[tiny wyvern]

If you want we can show you around

And see if there's something wrong with how you do things

[digital mural]

Also situations out of control in early levels dont exist

[surreal path]

I mean more like what I meant above. Enemy placement necessitates engaging rather than stealth, RNG saying no ammo spawns, and it being down to individual pathing of enemies or if the turret or other devices killed enough things to make it doable with what ammo we had left.

[digital mural]

Resources amount spawns are always the same

You can do fast stealth

[tiny wyvern]

Oh you're just doing stealth wrong
Even when they turn red you're still in stealth

With people you do sync hits

So that close aggro doesn't kill you

[digital mural]

Also loadout are very very important

[soft crater]

Resource amounts are fixed. But they won't always spawn the same.

[digital mural]

Nvm we have Eva in chat

[soft crater]

Sometimes 2x 2 use ammopacks

Or a 4 use ammo pack

[digital mural]

One use medpack

[surreal path]

This is what I assumed. In a whole section of the map we cleared, there were, like, a dozen foam walls etc., but no ammo.

[digital mural]

One use ammo are the best

[digital mural]

You dont have to kill everything

[tiny wyvern]

And sometimes you shouldn't

[digital mural]

You look at your objective and head there
Dont waste resources on extra areas unless You really need it

Either a key or actual resources

[tardy ingot]

There is basically no situation where the games forces you to not be able to clear

The exceptions are some of the harder levels if you play high risk and dont see a curveball coming.

Also for this game
While stealth is a part of it, the goal is generally to kill so you can move freely unless you rly wont have to interact with the enemies anymore

[tiny wyvern]

Not all optionals are actually benefitial

[digital mural]

Hey Eva

[tardy ingot]

Using a terminal can tell you if an area has ressources

And with the exception of a few levels you can actually fully shoot up most levels. Even if it isnt adviced since its gonna be more challenging

[fallen kite]

So real, save yourself the bother and have some fun running around killing things

[digital mural]

The Game always gives You what You need

[fallen kite]

bonk bonk bonk bonk

[digital mural]

ALWAYS

[fallen kite]

crouch red light green light so boring

[tardy ingot]

Its less about this and moreso that theres only a few super rare not stealthable enemy positions. But those you usually just get to shoot

[fallen kite]

🙄 god this eva guy

[tardy ingot]

if you feel like stealth is impossible
Theres guides for how stealth works in this game
(Lol)

[surreal path]

I'm aware, but there were times when stealth wasn't possible. We actually killed very few things. Mainly spent ammo on the hold out sections. We got to a point where the stationary enemies were blocking paths and the roaming ones forced movement, so it was either stand still and have one of the roaming ones walk into you, or move and risk alerting the stationary ones. I mean, there was probably some way to clear it, but it came down to luck and repetition, which we ended up getting bored of, unfortunately.

[tardy ingot]

You didnt play r6d3 with me

[fallen kite]

the lobby

was

full

[digital mural]

Kill the scout

[soft crater]

[digital mural]

Shoot him

If You can't stealth him

[surreal path]

No ammo.

[tiny wyvern]

Hmm
That sounds weird

[digital mural]

Literally no ammo? You did something wrong then

[soft crater]

Shoulda 5manned it

[digital mural]

Really wrong

[fallen kite]

cba

[tiny wyvern]

Do you guys charge your melees?

[surreal path]

Or at least not enough to kill without agroing it.

[civic wave]

i don't enjoy saying this, but there is a player comprehension issue going on in here somewhere, but that's also par for the course for newer players

[tardy ingot]

I hope this doesnt sound mean

But your group didnt understand the game yet. Most of those things are very simple in how you can deal with them

[tiny wyvern]

(I've seen people that don't know
they can charge their melees
So I ask now)

[fallen kite]

instance 1000 of gtfo chatter saying skill issue but not saying skill issue

[tiny wyvern]

(this is what I get for playing lfg-beginners)

[digital mural]

Nickle

Havent see You in a while man

[civic wave]

@fallen kite you're bad at the game you should duo r4e1 to train up

[fallen kite]

hello

[digital mural]

Hows school little boy

[tardy ingot]

learning those things can be tough in gtfo as its not a game that holds a players hand (like at all)

But its also the fun part (imo)

[fallen kite]

thank you for your advice

unfortunately

i dont have a duo

[digital mural]

Everyone enjoyed getting our ass kicked the first 200-300 hours

[tiny wyvern]

Do you want us to show you how to do stuff
@surreal path

[fallen kite]

uh

[tiny wyvern]

Or do you have something you want to know

[fallen kite]

ezpz

[tardy ingot]

I mean… ye

we dont wanna flame someone who rly seems to want to enjoy it but obviously struggled a lot on smth they can beat

[digital mural]

Trial and error

Gtfo has a lot of it

Some situations might see impossible but they arent

[tardy ingot]

Unironically
The stealth guide would already help them a fuck ton

[surreal path]

I have to head out. I was actually supposed to leave to pick up a friend a little while ago. Maybe another time though. Thanks!

[fallen kite]

Eva's stealth guide is very comprehensive

yes

i agree

[tardy ingot]

i still gotta finish the alarm guide

[digital mural]

Just kill everything

Thats the guide

[tiny wyvern]

Ye
But nothing beats playing with people

[soft crater]

Imean unless you watch/read guides. It's really a random pub experienced or vet that's willing to teach/guide newbies

[tardy ingot]

im like… script done and got 80% of the footage

[tardy ingot]

They seemed like a static

Statics depend on the players ability to experiment and observe

[soft crater]

Ye

[fallen kite]

I don't really agree with level guides

but guides on mechanics like

alarms/stealth, etc

are really good

[civic wave]

and input from external stimulus, if that's a factor

[tardy ingot]

Yes
But also, if it comes to just teaching, playing with people is a bit uuh

Ive seen vets here teach beginners wrong things

[digital mural]

They are fine to base a strat on them
But then some people want to follow it 100%

[soft crater]

the one guy who tried to get the group to follow through scalers r2e1 guide video

[civic wave]

beth delivered so much information from the community to our static while we were newer

[fallen kite]

I understand that, yeah

[tardy ingot]

Oh obviously

Was just meant in a pure static learning situation tho

[tiny wyvern]

Pub teaching another pub that there's no line of sight

[fallen kite]

i think level guides are a good last resort if banging ur head on teh wall isnt working

but

asking questions about specific alarms and shit in gtfo chat I think is a lot better

[civic wave]

ya, that's why i specified "if that's a factor"

[tardy ingot]

Those are for if you are stonewalled

[tiny wyvern]

I remember people telling me to bring mines to a reactor mission

i think it was R1C1

[digital mural]

Foam to R1C1

[fallen kite]

good clarification

mines to a normal reactor is usually good

[digital mural]

R2D2 mines only

[soft crater]

The only use for mines would be to set high ones for giants but eh

[fallen kite]

side zones

[civic wave]

global spawn push to manipulate spawns onto certain mined doors

gigabrain

[tiny wyvern]

Oh pub giant mines
Can't imagine what would happen

[digital mural]

Someone should have guns for big guys anyways

[tardy ingot]

|| r1c1 - no
R2D2 - no
R3A3 - no
R4B1 - yes
R4D1 - no
R4E1 - yes
R5B1 - no
R5C2 - yes
R5D2 - yes
R6D1 - no
R6D3 - doesnt rly matter tbh
R7E1 - no
R8E2 - yes ||

[fallen kite]

okay big guy

calm down

[digital mural]

Ok

[soft crater]

Reactor mines only

No sentry

[tardy ingot]

Anyone who knows me, knows that i do this shit

[digital mural]

R7E1 mines time

[soft crater]

[tardy ingot]

[tiny wyvern]

Before stammina existed did speedruns just run through everything

Or are they still like the way they are now

[digital mural]

They just ran

Easy game

[tardy ingot]

Implying we dont do that now ?

the only difference for how you „run“ is that melee is used less while running (same for jumping) and that you sometimes stam manage

oh well and enemies in combat state didnt matter

[tiny wyvern]

I mean now stuff slows you down

[tardy ingot]

You still go max speed unless regening stam would be faster

[civic wave]

oh, soft collision

yeah you used to be able to slide through enemies but that doesn't change an awful lot tbh

[red flax]

Is there a difference between blackhopping and bunnyhopping? Never seen the term blackhop before so it's odd to see it here

[jagged shore]

bunnyhopping was something that's been patched out for a while, in the olden days it was sprint-jumping around to move around faster while only making as much noise as walking during stealth, and to my knowledge it was very common, so when it was eventually patched and another trick involving speedy jumps came around they didn't want to use the same name as something that used to exist, so they started calling it blackhopping instead. i'm not sure if there are more specifics to the name blackhop though

blackhopping itself is essentially jumping the first frame* you hit the ground, which makes you jump again without resetting your velocity
so if you sprint, jump, and blackhop, you'll maintain sprint speed in the direction you were moving every time you blackhop again. you can maintain the speed in the air while reloading (if you sprint -> crouchslide -> reload -> jump -> blackhop), while carrying heavy items (usually done with the little dodge mechanic i believe, but doesn't need to be?), or just to maintain speed when stamina goes down over long distances

[green bronze]

yeah i love golden days

[soft crater]

pretty much

:/ it'll be missed

[green bronze]

i love having audio bug after just one run

[soft crater]

oh you're playing with the OG Roblox GTFO creator

[safe cradle]

run number doesn't matter

I used to have audio bug at R2D1 (first run of the game booting) like nearly all the times

always started at around 40-50min mark (I used to do a lot of runs of R2D1 with bots)

I'm also unsure about the merely spitters thing because I once had audiobug in R4B1 like 10mins after opening spitter zone, and I did reactor before opening that.

I really think a spitter has a chance of spitting and fucking up the audio and from then on it's just a timer until the game crashes (if you press tab)

Since I used gluefix I never had that bug again

Then again I rarely play anymore

[green bronze]

I mean in early access

you are more likely to have audio bug

[proven igloo]

i bought the game and i liked it

where can i fully learn what R1-E2 (for example) means

or terminal commands

is there a video you can suggest

[tardy ingot]

R = Rundown
The number is just for rundown 1 to 8

A rundown is basically a campaign

E (or in general regards, A to E) is the tier of a level/expedition.
From A - easiest to E - hardest
The number is again, just the number of said level in its tier for a rundown

for terminal commands
Theres the easy intro in this

#guides-and-reviews message

Or the more extensive version here

https://youtu.be/Ih_g15-t2Ao?si=Wjle-dU6Ya16SFAg

[finite oracle]

can 4 spears with syringe one shot a sleeping tank

[ocean spindle]

nah

tumors hp is 150

[sick stream]

Was r7 updated in any way since it came out?

[ocean spindle]

uh mostly just some fixes with some levels

but only that

[sick stream]

Aaand, copying this from the gtfo-chat channel...
In which rundown did the view model inertia and animations get to the state they're in now?

[civic wave]

Only major thing that comes to mind is r7d1 overload (used to be that you got a bulkhead key, could use that to progress main, and start overload at the end, nowadays there is no 2nd bulkhead key but the bulkhead door opens upon completion of overload)

[ocean spindle]

animations generally took a long time and came on different points, most reloads were set by r7, charging and character ones mostly from r1 and others from r6 i think

and enemies since they were introduced, all of em

[proven igloo]

Thanks dude

[sick stream]

right... noted

and the inertia? looking at some material on r1/r2 i see the passive handling of the weapons is pretty different from what it is now

[ocean spindle]

uhh r6 maybe?

lemme check

yes r6

r6 generally introduced a lot of those animations

then r7 did some extras like some gun reloads, terminal animations, and some others i probs don't remember

[spark wolf]

you are not ready for the more specifics

its all kanekis fault

[safe cradle]

AFAIK blackhopping isn't possible more than a bunch of times without a macro

So I guess that if I see someone doing it I assume they're using a macro

[frail heart]

its possible

just hard

ive had like 4-5 bhop chains

[tiny wyvern]

That's cause you're good at the game

And most of us aren't that good

[past mesa]

But 4-5 isn’t infinite amount and you having one cases of 4-5 doesn’t mean you get it consistently

[frail heart]

ive had multiple, but at what point does it not become possible? its just hitting the right frame right

also lower fps makes it easier?

[past mesa]

It isn’t a point it is just a consistency issue

If you could do them consistently it would be good but unfortunately unless your inhuman consistently getting blacks hop chains above 7 doesn’t happen

[frail heart]

Yeah, doesnt mean its not possible

[past mesa]

Your right r1a1 could be beaten in 30 seconds if a bit flips

Due to a neutron

[frail heart]

Its like doing super grinding in mario kart wii is not possible because its like a ridiculous amount of inputs per second

I could get lucky

Doesnt mean its gonna happen

Its not impossible for me to win the 100mil lottery

doesnt mean its gonna happen

1 in 14mil or whatever

[past mesa]

Just get a neutrino to interact with your computer then any input is possible

[frail heart]

Ong

Bit flipping speed tech

[sturdy glen]

speedrunning sucks

[past mesa]

So brave

[frail heart]

get r4e1 wr

[sturdy glen]

already did

[frail heart]

again

[past mesa]

No thanks I will live vicariously through Beth

[sturdy glen]

when will ppl run a better level

like r5e1

[past mesa]

Any%

…

[sturdy glen]

I would actually be so excited to see another r5-r7-r8 run with the new strats

but mfs only run r4

[past mesa]

I would love to see an optimized Brazil skip

[hardy grotto]

I’m just not interested in cell skip speeds

[sturdy glen]

I just want to see other player's takes on them and optimizations that we didnt think of

[hardy grotto]

The problem is chill

nobody speedruns

so finding people for those levels

Like a whole new team to come up with new ideas

Isn’t gonna happen

at best you can kidnap 2 other people and then it’s still half of a team that already has the record

[safe cradle]

why do you think that's the case? (just curious)

[hardy grotto]

small game

think about how many new players show up and don’t even get far into the game

Then think about how many people actually full clear the game and how many people actually stick around to play the game for fun

and how many of those people are going to want to do speedruns of the game

[little pilot]

that's why i join r1a1 lobbies and teach them how to speedrun immediately

[tardy ingot]

niche game
speedrunning is another niche on top

we actually had a lot more runners a while ago, but people start doing other things (game is also finished so some left)
plus some toxicity aimed at speedrunning lol

[frail heart]

i now know why people put no speedrunners in their posts

its all tgb

[safe cradle]

I think Gerz is right

[tardy ingot]

yea theres gonna be so few that stick around

[safe cradle]

But I'd also say that there's a couple more reasons...

[frail heart]

Elaborate

[tardy ingot]

which i litteraly gave above lol

speedrunning is grindy

a lot of people dont like grinding

[safe cradle]

It's a team game so you need a team and so even if someone sticks enough it's hard to form a group of 4, you kinda want statics for speedrunning, or pseudo ones where you have like 5-6 players cycling slots

[frail heart]

eh

for harder speedrun id say so

but like my first time running with kenny and mac was r6c1

[safe cradle]

There's also the fact that by now noone would bother? You'd find a lot of difficulty getting a record into a game like this that has been out for years and with it being what it is I guess.

[frail heart]

Not really

Theres multiple teams speedrunning atm

[safe cradle]

I mean everytime I see a WR post on media

it's like, what, the same 20-30 names TOPS?

[tardy ingot]

record hunting isnt necessarily the main goal when you start out

and most speedruns are of finished games

[frail heart]

With this game thats pretty good lmao

[safe cradle]

I mean most are always the same

[tardy ingot]

theres so far less than about 1 1/2 years ago

[frail heart]

yeah ik

[tardy ingot]

alt r1 to alt r3 was very active

[frail heart]

People also speedrun in the background and dont post

[tardy ingot]

we had like 30+ active runners

like actually active

if you highball its like 10 rn

[frail heart]

theres literally a whole russian group and chinese(?) group

[safe cradle]

With some exceptions (WR of R7A1 for example) most are the same names?

[frail heart]

theres more than 10

[tardy ingot]

russian group (savi n co) are based

its mostly savi thats active for them

the others dont run that much and def not alone

[frail heart]

what is most?

how many people

[safe cradle]

I already gave you a rough number I pulled out of nowhere

There's also the fact that there's a lot of... spread out? stuff

[tardy ingot]

spread out?

[frail heart]

20-30 isnt bad lmao

[safe cradle]

Like

R2

darkeva is in all maps 1st place team but 2

it's mostly the same names

it's ok

[tardy ingot]

im by far the most active runner

[safe cradle]

the game is old by now, niche and all that

[frail heart]

they ran a bunch of levels at one point as well

[tardy ingot]

since og r7

[frail heart]

just to get times

people just dont wanna run those levels

[safe cradle]

it's just hard because you need a team too

[frail heart]

like r6c1 getting a better time than their record wasnt hard

[frail heart]

just gotta ask

[tardy ingot]

thats just beth and my og point

gtfo being a niche coop game

[safe cradle]

so you either get in a group play well and hope they pick you back up

[tardy ingot]

plus solo speeds exist

and have been pretty competetive for some maps

[safe cradle]

or get other 3 people that are interested and "grind" (like darkeva put it)

[tardy ingot]

speedrunning will always be grinding

if you get an insane run quickly thats some rng blessing

[spark wolf]

the color orange was named after the fruit oranges

[finite oracle]

is there a way to prevent c foam grenades not to go through targets because it happens quite often for me when i throw it at enemies,

[ocean spindle]

throw it at the floor in front of the enemy if it is like a scout or something
if it's more of a mom there's not a lot u can do, restart the game every couple games to prevent memory leak

and try to aim mid mass

[civic wave]

don't full chuck it

cfoam nades don't have collision, you needn't full charge for close by enemies

if you do, the nade passes through them

[finite oracle]

why is that a thing

thats stupid

[civic wave]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ocean spindle]

oh i didn't know that

i guess some way that it messes with the collision when it comes out of ur hand or something idk

[digital mural]

I learnt that the hard way in R7C3

Truly an experience

[ocean spindle]

c:

[tiny wyvern]

It's just god's way of telling you to sync kill cscouts

[prime musk]

what about wave 10 in rd2d males it unshootable solo?
why can't you just do the same thing you do for code 7 to get code 9 and 10 in, stopping waves and spending a few minutes killing off the rest of wave 10?

[sturdy glen]

its just too many enemies

you have 30 seconds to input code

you literally cant kill enough enemies, even holding in reactor, to fully clear wave before that time runs out

so you basically have to either giant kite or hold a few rooms away from reactor and just kite in to plug code

9 spawns a slightly more reasonable amount of enemies, you can plug that one with no funny business its just hard

I am fairly confident 10 is not possible to full clear by yourself no matter how crazy you play

[frail heart]

Hel rifle clears

[craggy pier]

how do you cope with the fact that you just spend 90-120 minutes on an expedition and failed the mission. Me and my mates just do one expedition and if it has crossed the 1 hour mark, we just call it quits and gtfo of the game

[sturdy glen]

complaining

rushing the parts weve done already

[frail heart]

Go fast

[silent delta]

This game is a significant time and effort investment, not a lot of ways around that

[upper ginkgo]

yeah the game doesn't respect your time for like... the first 300 hrs

[craggy pier]

Bruh

[tardy ingot]

Well first
Hopefully you still had fun on the wipe

Then you think about how you now should realistically should know mostly everything about this mission so doing it next time for a clear will be a lot faster and easier

[scarlet grotto]

It depends on what rundown and mission it was. I started yesterday and the first mission aka admin took us 1h25 minutes to finish, because we learned how to make calls, clean rooms the efficient way and do damage control if someone woke up one of the monster. We later did it again with mire knowledge and did it under 50 minutes

[tardy ingot]

If you are completely new playtime is very warped yea

R1A1 for example is realistically cleared in under 10 minutes if anyone wanted to

[scarlet grotto]

I checked some guides or late expedition like R7 or R8 with experienced players and how they clean rooms is mindblowing for a new players

[tardy ingot]

its smth you can learn over time which lowers the average clear time by a lot

Well that and shooting some rooms, looting effectively and planning going by quickly

[scarlet grotto]

Like using the lamp to synch alk the mobs, or other technics are nice to see.

Since i'm the bio scanner guy, i need to do better calls of who is where and the room layouts, but i'm not in a hurry ^^

[safe cradle]

eh dont overcommunicate, it's a common mistake I've seen a lot of newbies with bio do

"2 on the left 1 on the sharp right" is enough, no need to call degrees or tell the position of every single enemy

unless for ||shadows|| I guess

Remember, if all 4 of you start charging melee at the same time, you can kill 4 enemies before they even scream

that's a lot in terms of enemy distribution of some R1 maps

Point is, you dont NEED to kill an enemy without waking another one up especially for small rooms with few enemies

[hard nexus]

X left y right is what I do although me eyesight is bad so sometimes in reality what I say may be incremented by 1 or 2

[sturdy glen]

guys

the only stealth comm you need is "anyone wanna fuck up this [insert large enemy] with me"

[frail heart]

we all know bio players just go in solo and dont communicate with their team

[frail heart]

TRUE

[hard nexus]

This door. Lots of monsters here.

[green bronze]

hey I did the r4e1 reactor 1 defend 3 grab codes

it was funny that they trusted

(we wiped 6/6)

[hard nexus]

Tfw code grabbers wipe

[green bronze]

uh no

I was the first to die trying to put in last code

[hard nexus]

And the downstairs room stops rendering so u don't see there is a BBC

[green bronze]

scout screamed and wave spawned on me

[frail heart]

L

[green bronze]

oh wait

I almost finished reactor with like 20 uses of ammo left

most pubs lobby I played with would just use them all

I guess I shoot more efficient 🤑🤑🤑

[civic wave]

Wow who would've guessed it, if you only have 1 person shooting wave there's much less overshooting

[scarlet grotto]

I mostely do the following:

• is the room clean or not
• numbers of mobs, how packed and the position
• sometimes if asked by my friends i help them with finding the mobs if we dont have glowsticks or its a tricky room
  And the usual ping of the scouts

[safe cradle]

If I know who I'm playing with knows what to do that's what I do

my context was about newbies

[frail heart]

Na I do it with noobs

Then blame them when we wipe

[safe cradle]

I'd tell a story

a real one

but I won't because the protagonist is very probably reading me right now

[sturdy glen]

we need more drama

spill it

server boring af these days

[safe cradle]

Reasonable enough I guess, with time you'll give less info until it's barebones stuff, dont worry about it.

[grizzled patrol]

no offense, but i would put volume to 50% or mute if someone did that

[scarlet grotto]

Ence why i play only with friends and not with randoms

[safe cradle]

A lot of it is also knowing the room layout beforehand tbh

[green bronze]

nah Markiplier said we need military tactics for this game

[prime musk]

im actually going to cconsole checkpoint right before wave 9 start because i like it surely can't be that hard compared to plugging code 7 (<- clueless)
i had enemies in reactor when i plugged code 7 when i cleared with giant kiting 9 and 10

[safe cradle]

that's the weird looking half-asian guy with gigantic shoulders, right?

[sturdy glen]

I cconsoled it for like 2 hours because I was annoyed

I thought it was possible and ppl just kited it cuz its easier

[safe cradle]

I have more than one but let's say someone stabbed (knife) a BBC thinking it was a normal charger, laughed histerically and quit both the lobby and the vc

[prime musk]

did you just die when trying to plug code

[sturdy glen]

no

I wanted to not kite it

at all

not a single time was it ever full clear

(code 10 specifically)

code 9 is doable

as mentioned earlier

[green bronze]

omg you are talking about ColourCutClarity

[green bronze]

yeah

[sturdy glen]

there are 2 options for less kitey options

either hold in B of code 4 zone and do a small reroute to get out and plug (theres a few clears that did this)

or just hold in reactor until the end and kite off one of the top bridges to get code in and run away

but its just cooked, and it annoyed me

its not clean

[prime musk]

have people successfully done clears with these

[sturdy glen]

ye

I think all the non giant kite ones are holding in B of code 4 zone

that is just accepting youre not killing everything because the spawn push makes it impossible even if you try

[prime musk]

yes, that's were i found the most success doing code 7 and 9/10 is same deal kinda

[prime musk]

yes this was my idea

[sturdy glen]

you can just do that

it is up to you and your standards for soloing

[prime musk]

ok so tldr it's "possible" if you accept that you're never finishing wave 9/10 on time

[sturdy glen]

I cconsoled around because I got to wave 10 and was unaware just how bad the wave spawns are

[neon gust]

Banned his ass

[sturdy glen]

ye

exactly

unfortunately

[neon gust]

Why are you so hot dude

[prime musk]

i might (eventually) go back to rd2d2 and try to solo it without giant kiting for wave 9/10 then

[sturdy glen]

its not worth it tbh

its still just kiting

[prime musk]

it's not comparable degrees of kiting

[sturdy glen]

it isnt, but still, all that effort for it to still not be the real deal?

like if its just not possible I wouldnt feel bad lol

atp do whatever you want

[green bronze]

omg rat

will look up r34 rn

[prime musk]

i think we have different standards for what is considered the real deal

as long as you aren't selectively keeping certain enemies alive or going long i think it counts fully

[civic wave]

holding the wave is cool though i feel it's pretty common to have a scuffed run at final reactor hold that necessitates you to run away (or maybe i just suck at code 6 on r4e1 and r3a3)

[sturdy glen]

it is just standards yea

its solo so who gives a fuck anyways

[prime musk]

code 6 on r3a3 sucks

[sturdy glen]

"whos more elitist"

im mainly just annoyed its not possible to full shoot it

theres a lot of things that arent full shootable in solo but I did not expect fuckin

wave 10 of r2d2 to be on that list

I didnt even think the wave was different lol

[prime musk]

once again proving set spawns for reactor waves to be a terrible game design

[sturdy glen]

so true

reactor spawns fucking suck

[prime musk]

there are like 10 things that could be done to make it work and just none of the things were done

[green bronze]

they are just making shooting reactor different from shooting alarm

[prime musk]

sure and in the process make it suck

a very simple fix for reactors is to just like double the spawncap in reactor missions

[green bronze]

Im not sure if they could have made it better idk

[green bronze]

oh yeah that's very true

[sturdy glen]

they needed to implement global spawn push in a more player friendly way

enemies getting stuck is also just a bug

so that doesnt help

[prime musk]

i think global spawn push just shouldn't be a thing

and also having better enemy pathing when they're far away would solve so much and has nothing to do with reactors specifically

[green bronze]

yeah

imagine if reactors were harder than doing alarms

[prime musk]

i mean they are just not for the reasons they should be

[green bronze]

ok how enemies will be spawning in dow

on the ceiling?

[grizzled patrol]

Ceiling sentries?

[green bronze]

wtf

actually i have no idea how DoW will be

apart from shooting enemies

[green bronze]

btw do you have r5 early access installed

i really need to do r5c2 again

[grizzled patrol]

Yeah but i am about to leave home

[grizzled patrol]

Ngl Cyberpunk Genre Has so much potential

[green bronze]

true

Cyberpunk 2077 is really good

[grizzled patrol]

Even If i will Not stay in DoW, i still want to Check it out

[green bronze]

i hope we have shit like smart gun in DoW

[grizzled patrol]

From what we have Seen so far the Robots Look Like Mini smashers lmao

[green bronze]

i havent seen it

from the trailer?

[grizzled patrol]

Arg teasers

Like 3D Models of enemies etc

[green bronze]

oh thats cool

i have a feeling that we wont be overshooting in DoW like payday

[grizzled patrol]

From what we have Seen the vault Doors are going to be gearshaped Like in Fallout

I Could Imagine Alarms being Like in the OG GTFO trailer

[green bronze]

yeah i think burning torch was much expected to be in DoW

or something like that

[spiral orbit]

A high caliber pistol can kill a charger scout to the back?

[prime musk]

if no damage falloff yes

you need to be close to the scout

[spiral orbit]

Aight good to know thanks

[harsh bay]

Guys, how do I get my friends to play GTFO with me! I actually love this game and I find it so fun but everytime I try and get my friends to play it, they don’t want to because “the sessions are too long” or “game is hard”. I really want to play but they sometimes just want to play something else, you guys got any tips for encouraging friends to play?

[prime musk]

my friends were unsure but were convinced after playing for a bit and now they enjoy it
if they have already tried it and don't like it it might be over but gl

[soft crater]

Just make sure your friends know. This game is not L4D

[craggy pier]

You just need to find friends who have the dawg in them. With games like these, you either love it or refund it.

[craggy pier]

It can be with hacks but that just defeats the purpose

How many hours will the average person take to finish this game in a 4 man squad?

[hard nexus]

Define average person

But yeah in my experience you rather make new friends with ppl who play gtfo and then later introduce them to other games. Other way around worked for me only once, and even then only 1 guy out of three from 1 group of people is keen to play gtfo again.

[tardy ingot]

You can fully shoot up most missions already in vanilla, so i dont think it would need cheats

Also for your question. It depends, but usually we say this game has at least 200-300 hours of content

[craggy pier]

Most of my mates come from siege and ghost recon/division and on top of that like souls borne games, so they like tactical hardcore games. The only issue is finding time to play it since we're all in our late twenties

[hard nexus]

I know zero people who even tried siege in their life

[craggy pier]

Thank you, it should hold me till dow releases

[craggy pier]

These people I play with are siege fiends but they gave it up after it became cod advanced warfare

Siege dangles from tdm to gadget clearing, the early days were the best minus the spawn camping

Gtfo offers more intensity unlike the other games

I wish it were a bit more flashy, like balanced flashy and not as hardcore lol, maybe an easy mode for people with work

[hard nexus]

I had to clutch one true king two days ago when my last day played was may 31

Got foot stomp attacked 3 times in a row

[hard nexus]

You mean in same genre?

[craggy pier]

I would say tactical genre

Or let's say

Anti-"cod" genre

[hard nexus]

But fps

[craggy pier]

I do know man,maybe a game that needs 6 brain cells to play instead of 0.5

[tardy ingot]

Tbf even if you should somehow beat it faster (most i know that did were either carried partially or rly good (while learning everything from vets))
Then you can still do challenge runs (solo/duo, speedruns, limitations or simply replay stuff. Or even go into modded)

[scarlet grotto]

Heresy, a game where you need a brain 🔥

[craggy pier]

Is there a video on yt that is catered around teaching speed runners? I might learn a trick or two

[prime musk]

there is no way a group of 4 new players even with guidance 100% the game in 300 hours

(100% as in all expeditions with all optionals)

[tardy ingot]

Oh its happened

Its rare as hell tho

basically need 2-4 commited players and 3-4 decently good players

They need to get taught a ton and learn it but then most missions are gonna be chill anyhow

[craggy pier]

Heresy is calling yourself death guard and having a pfp of minotaurs who were tainted with chaos lol

[prime musk]

i can see it happen but it doesn't feel like reasonable standard

[tardy ingot]

Weeell
Theres guides for speedrun glitches (and like 1 for terminal techs like terminal skip and terminal storage) aswell as guides on how to use logs

[prime musk]

im probably the opposite being 700 hours deep without touching r7/8 and having half of the missions from r4-6 untouched

[craggy pier]

Nice

[tardy ingot]

thats why its a minimum

but 300 isnt that bad with a commited team ngl

[prime musk]

mayhaps

[craggy pier]

Which reminds me, it would have been cooler to have a game like gtfo set in 30k universe, more gritty more grimdark, probably with the lamenters because they get their shit kicked in plus there is a great setting in death wing

[hard nexus]

Death wing

Hearth Stone reference

[scarlet grotto]

A man of culture i see, rare to see that these days

[craggy pier]

Space Hulk deathwing

[scarlet grotto]

Hats off to you mister

[tardy ingot]

anything where its gritty and dark is just nice

[craggy pier]

And absolutely no hope like the polar opposite of a Disney movie and the child of polish and Russian literature that even polish and Russians hate.

[soft crater]

Modded* but that's outside of newbies trying to play Vanilla gtfo

Even then most ppl going into that side of gtfo are likely experienced to a degree already

[craggy pier]

I just absolutely adore the lore of gtfo, I had dreams/nightmares of it and I still do, they're interesting lol

[craggy pier]

How many hours would you call as experienced?

[soft crater]

Hours is a bad metric

Let's just say. I've seen some 250 hour players be good. And some 2k hours be in over their heads on how good they actual are.

Typically 250 hours have done their research/talked with vets

[tardy ingot]

It also depends on how you define experienced

[upper ginkgo]

must have duo'd r4e1

[soft crater]

Have as many clears as Voxy on R3D1

[upper ginkgo]

anyway who claims to be experienced but hasn't beaten r4e1 duo is a poser

[soft crater]

I'm still a new player haven't played my first game after 2k hours

Trust

[upper ginkgo]

did homie really just react to himself

[soft crater]

Yes

I might be on gtfo more now that I seemingly fixed my network issue though.

[hardy grotto]

experience is like

Must have cleared r2e1 crib

no ladder foam

[upper ginkgo]

that's a shitty metric

[soft crater]

R2E1 seems roughly there. It is the biggest hurdle early on if they're going chronologically

[hardy grotto]

You’re a shitty metric

[upper ginkgo]

wrong I use the imperial system idiot

[hardy grotto]

no experience is probably something else

I just can’t be bothered to come up with a serious answer

And my answer is probably skewed towards something like

MUST HAVE 1000 HOURS, CLEARED ENTIRE GAME THRICE

KNOWS 50% OF TECH

[tardy ingot]

i presume not being carried is also a necessity right?

[hardy grotto]

of course

[tardy ingot]

but well again it comes down to how you define experienced

even if its a joke, r4e1 duo should be far above it obviously

[hard nexus]

So cell will never be experienced

Nor fog turbine

Until cell skip

[past mesa]

Lfg need one gladiator

Mg player required

[soft crater]

Unfortunately There's likely some exorbitant number of ppl who likely have been carried.

[upper ginkgo]

being experienced means you're good enough to not give me trust issues

[tardy ingot]

oh for sure
but tbh you can be experienced and get carried still

[past mesa]

True!

[soft crater]

I trust Voxy to cover their right flank when they have PR

[upper ginkgo]

nah it's over when I have to reload

can we make a shitty litmus test

[prime musk]

i think experienced is when 4 players of your skill level could reasonably clear any level in the game without problems

(without cheese)

[past mesa]

The 3 clones conjecture

[prime musk]

i originally formulated myself as "you and 3 copies if you" but realised it sounded a bit silly

[tardy ingot]

technically theres a difference aswell

a player can be exceptional at everything knowledge based but have pretty sub par aim

that way theyll never have an issue in teams

but 4 of them are gonna struggle when shooting becomes a higher priority

in opposite someone whos a cracked shot could have litteral beginner to intermediate knowledge and struggle more than necessary

[upper ginkgo]

who would you rather have

all aim no brain

[errant dome]

u should add a (assuming the team listens) :p

[upper ginkgo]

all brain no aim

[tardy ingot]

if they can follow orders ill do well with someone who has aim but no brain as im knowledgable enough

[prime musk]

i feel like being experienced implies being to an extent well rounded in skill

[tardy ingot]

if they cant... then it depends on the level lol, but in most cases then probably the knowledgable guy

[tardy ingot]

experience doesnt specify skilled

[upper ginkgo]

lmao the all aim no brain guy just becomes another burst sentry

[tardy ingot]

and even if it did, knowledge is a big part of "skill" in this game. Being exceptional at one thing can balance out weaknesses

[tardy ingot]

you just tell them to take hel revo and hel gun/rifle and they clear whatever is not a boss

[prime musk]

if you don't have any skill are you really experienced

[tardy ingot]

we are talking about shooting skill only (aim)

not skill at all

they could have good movement and melee skills still

[upper ginkgo]

the amount of people in p*bs who tell me "hi im new, but im really good at shooting"

[tardy ingot]

if you rly have a brainless player (like no knowledge, cant follow orders) then you just got a pub with aim

which is carryable with the right calls

if they would follow orders

but if they cant its just a kek moment

[upper ginkgo]

when the burst sentry gains sentience

[tardy ingot]

in a way it also implies that they are rng on whether they even pick guns that work with their aim

since thats part of knowledge too

[upper ginkgo]

well tbh people with good aim tend to gravitate towards the semi autos anyway

knowledge only matters to a certain extent

past that it's alright

[silent delta]

Shit aim isn't a problem

[upper ginkgo]

although you could argue the same thing with gun skill

[silent delta]

Just run shotguns

🙃

[upper ginkgo]

you haven't met the people who spam 3 sawed off shots to kill a single striker

"why is ammo so scarce"

spams bodyshots at dmg fall off

[silent delta]

Ideal scattergun range

Tbh I just tell those people to run choke mod because at least then they'll kill things at that range

[civic wave]

r7d1 speedrun flashbacks

[past mesa]

Are they tho

[upper ginkgo]

idk they die before i get to see them kill anything

[lone mortar]

valorant players when you remove the hero shooter type beat off them

[topaz anvil]

the really good players are the fortnite ones 😎

[whole summit]

Howdy, me and a friend have been throwing ourselves at R2D1 for a while now. We have gotten practiced enough to get all 5 power cells (our route is taking the cell in the hub room to the loot room, then the 2 screamer doors, then the 2 in the north area. However we always get overwhelmed after getting to the final extraction. Any tips?

[fallen kite]

duo w bots or without

[whole summit]

with bots

[hard nexus]

What exactly gets you on extract?

If you already visit loot room I think u should be aight?

Maybe you could try rocking hel auto sentry and just save it for extract

Cuz the level itself isn't that bad

[twin terrace]

shooting your guns helps i think

[whole summit]

We run out of ammo and tool

[hard nexus]

What guns?

[whole summit]

we have been running 2x burst, bot on bioscanner, and 1x hel sentry

[hard nexus]

Try not using hel sentry until extract maybe

[whole summit]

i forget what main my friend uses but i know he uses choke shotgun for screamer doors and bigs

[hard nexus]

You could swap something for mines and open both blood doors at once

• mine doors for the alarm upstairs

[whole summit]

i use carbine and malatack

[hard nexus]

The heavy malatack?

[whole summit]

bots are carbine and veruta

yeah

[topaz anvil]

whats on extract

[hard nexus]

Gen cluster scans and then extract

With fog rising iirc but could be wrong

[whole summit]

yeah fog rises during scans

[topaz anvil]

you got repellers?

[hard nexus]

Unlikely

[whole summit]

we try to save a few for extraction

[topaz anvil]

and what about actual extract enemies

[hard nexus]

Just sleepers

[whole summit]

one of us just wanders in the fog and eats the max infection to get the cells

[topaz anvil]

Pretty sure the fog moves when you plug in cells too

[hard nexus]

There is a station anyway

[topaz anvil]

or am I thinking of a different level

[hard nexus]

When plugged it goes down yes

[whole summit]

we'll try mines next time

maybe thatll let us save enough ammo to not run out later

[hard nexus]

Mines are not for extraction but to save a bunch of ammo with strats

Yeye

[whole summit]

our best run we got to 50% on extraction scan and then got overwhelmed

[hard nexus]

Classic

[whole summit]

also is it true that the number of people in the extraction scan doesnt change the speed?

[hard nexus]

I've been there done that but on r2d2 😭

[topaz anvil]

only for item objective extractions

[whole summit]

zamn 😔

is r2d2 signifcantly worse?

[hard nexus]

Yes

[topaz anvil]

I think its a funny reactor xd

[hard nexus]

It's a very good level

[whole summit]

fuck

[hard nexus]

Though

[topaz anvil]

9 code?

[hard nexus]

10

[whole summit]

what the fuck

[topaz anvil]

10 codes

much more exciting than R1C1 tho dw

[whole summit]

my original goal was to do all rundowns A-D then go back for the E missions

[hard nexus]

Le funny 5 min to find code but there is alarm, a key for which is on the other end of map

[whole summit]

sounds delightful

[hard nexus]

Yea

[topaz anvil]

still perfectly achievable 😎

[whole summit]

achievable != best idea

Would it be better to do them in a different order?

[topaz anvil]

you can do anything you want :D

[whole summit]

._.

[hard nexus]

If you get stuck on d2 won't blame you to try other stuff

[topaz anvil]

you miss some inter-rundown explanations by skipping rundowns but its nothing massive

[hard nexus]

R3a3 might give you a clue on finding codes on time

[whole summit]

one last question

i was looking at my boosters. What does Med efficiency +45% do? Do i heal (20 * 1.45)% health when I use a medpack, when a medpack is used on me?

[topaz anvil]

yes you heal by that amount

but YOU have to be the one to use it

if someone else uses it on you, you dont get the benefit

[whole summit]

so only when I heal myself?

[topaz anvil]

you can heal others too :D

just not the other way around

[whole summit]

ah ok

And what does Supply efficiency apply to?

Tool/ammo packs?

[topaz anvil]

Med, Ammo, Tool

maybe not med actually

just ammo and tool

[whole summit]

k

[tardy ingot]

If its an object extract theres no difference

If it isnt theres a change. But it depends on the scan for how severe that change is pretty much

[silent delta]

is the scan speed ramping only there for up to 4 people?

or can you use the mod to have 8 people in a scan and mega speed it up

[ocean spindle]

as scans ramp up extremely slow once ur past 2 people i doubt it matters

[silent delta]

yeah its logarithmic

[ocean spindle]

cuz one people slow, two fast, and the rest is like barely a change

[silent delta]

which means we just need like 10^6 players

ez game

fill em all up with bots

[ocean spindle]

u can just say a million u kno

[silent delta]

sorry

[ocean spindle]

don't have to do 10^6

[silent delta]

engineering brain damage

one megaplayer

1 MpL

[topaz anvil]

I want 1 megaplayer in my lobby

[upper ginkgo]

best I can do is provide 1 microplayer

[frail heart]

You would provide micro

[simple fable]

After 4 hours of R2D2, I am wishing to go back to the fogs of R2D1.

On a positive note, should get it done tomorrow!

[neon gust]

4 hours total or 4 hours on a single match?

[worn crow]

How could you survive 4 hours in a single match lol

[green bronze]

idk you should try it out

[worn crow]

Sounds boring

[green bronze]

I survived 6 hours in r5a1 pub

[neon gust]

You talking like there isnt mothafuckas playing a level for 14 hours and shit

[green bronze]

wow is that me

[worn crow]

A reactor will typically kill you as there's no downtime

[green bronze]

oh wait that's true

[ocean spindle]

it's d2 cmon

u couldn't go for more than an hour and a half on d2 even if u tried

[digital mural]

Slendi
People in this server do some really weird stuff pretty often

[ocean spindle]

it's r2d2

u literally cannot take more than a certain time

[half cape]

why is it always raining in the anim when you load into a game

[ocean spindle]

unless u just go afk for 3 hours before activating it

[ocean spindle]

uh cuz water

:3

[digital mural]

Just gameplay purposes

So it looks "cool" and spooky

[ocean spindle]

ermmm that's not gameplay

that's ambience

[digital mural]

Yeah that

[half cape]

alr lol thought it might have smth to do with cryostasis

[ocean spindle]

hydrostasis

[digital mural]

Hydrostasis

Different things

[half cape]

whats the diff

[ocean spindle]

hydro is with water

cryo is with ice

hsu work based off puttin u in funny chemicals

[half cape]

ah figured

now it makes sense

[simple fable]

total, had a few retries, but we figured it out, reached the 16 min rest timer then died stupidly

[silent delta]

sure you can

kite literally forever

[silent delta]

BLASPHEMY

reactor = good, fog = bad

[prime musk]

who wants to math out how long you can long kite in r2d2 before game kills itself

[silent delta]

depends on the pc id imagine

the game has some sort of memory leak problem, doesnt it/

and it would depend on how perfectly you can kite, if your spent clips fall through the floor that makes things worse

[prime musk]

true, the theoretically optimal run doesn't reload a single time because then you get mags falling through

[silent delta]

just get like 2tb of ram

never crash

[simple fable]

silly question, but how do you kite if you slow down?

[green bronze]

make use of doors

and don't bunny hop like a bunny

ig

[prime musk]

there are lots of videos to reference, but generally for giants you can just duck behind cover and bait attacks for a while to reset stamina

[green bronze]

oh wait I think he's asking about kiting regulars

[prime musk]

maybe but he replied to talking about kiting in r2d2 which surely is giants

[ocean spindle]

for kiting smalls u just try to take shortcuts and regain stamina were possible, or use doors to alter their pathing

but in d2 probs just like going in the reactor doing a couple funny turns and then running all the way to the other side of the map and back and forth but

why

[prime musk]

for kiting smalls you just kinda have to take shortcuts and use doors, corner where you can walk while dodging are also great

[soft crater]

shortcuts that make the wave path the long way is funny

[silent delta]

for kiting smalls you kill them and wait for giants to spawn

[grizzled patrol]

Start Walking in circles. If you have enough distances between you and the strikers you can Side step their licks

(its depends on the Ping tho, with Bad Ping it is less reliable)

[misty kernel]

what guns can 1 shot scouts again? AND the black version scouts?

[digital mural]

High cal, Hel rifle, shotgun, sawed off, scattergun

[errant dome]

From the back: high cal, hel rifle, sniper, hel gun (technically need 2 shots but the fire rate is fast enough that u can kill them before they alert), sawed off shotgun, choke mode shotgun, shotgun

From the front: burst cannon, scatter gun

[digital mural]

Did You had ready to send?

[errant dome]

i was writing in notepad lul

then just copy pasted

[lone mortar]

the black one

[errant dome]

i think thats all guns but lmk if i missed one

[lone mortar]

[errant dome]

note that this is for charger scouts specifically, for normal scouts most guns can kill them with a shot to the back of the head

[ocean spindle]

also take into account, for the 30 dmg weapons [high cal choke shotgun etc etc etc] u wanna be straight on the back

as little angle as possible

otherwise u could just not have sufficient dmg

[errant dome]

me when charger scouts lives with 0.1 hp

actually im not even sure if its possible for them to live with that much hp, i forgot how the equation works

[ocean spindle]

it's just back damage goes down gradually with the angle so maybe

[errant dome]

i think it only starts from a specific angle, they give a lil leeway

but anyways, u should make sure to position right behind them regardless

playing it safe

[digital mural]

This is why scattergun is the best gun

[green bronze]

@digital mural

[digital mural]

What the fuck do You want

[green bronze]

your soul

[digital mural]

Fuck u

[misty kernel]

ppls use scattergun? isnt it absolute crap? based on how low ammunition is

[digital mural]

It's one of the best guns

In the whole game

[misty kernel]

yet has like 2-3 ammo right

waste of ammo pack

[digital mural]

Bro

You can kill bosses in a second

And Big ones instantly

[errant dome]

that 2 ammo has more value than a 100% sniper

[digital mural]

Also 11 total ammo in the reserves

Its basically a nuke

[misty kernel]

i see

[misty kernel]

hows burst cannon gonna kill, its not one shot right wouldnt it wake up\

does trying to find squad or players through game works or nah

[digital mural]

It works but its not recommended

You get sent in random levels with random people

Often hackers

[errant dome]

it doesnt wake up instantly (which is also why 2 shots from hel gun can kill it before it awakes) there is a small delay (i think around 1 sec ish?) more than enough for all 3 bullets from the burst cannon to hit

[digital mural]

Also doesnt the first bullet kinda staggers the scout

[misty kernel]

hackers? how? elaborate what they do as in bad for me or good for me

[green bronze]

:(

[misty kernel]

weapons/bullets can stagger???

[digital mural]

They can spawn enemies, mess with the game, ruin the run being immortal

[digital mural]

Yes

Every gun has a stagger damage

[errant dome]

i think thats precisely why there is a small delay before it actually triggers

[misty kernel]

what points should i focus on with the big ones? after the head gets blown that is

[digital mural]

Limbs

Arms or legs

[misty kernel]

got it

high cal, hel rifle, sniper, hel gun can kill charger scouts from one shot in the back?

or what weapons can kill them instantly

having a hard time with them

[tardy ingot]

? Its more

[misty kernel]

especially when they spawn in a room 3-4x

[errant dome]

c-foam is the answer if there are multiple

[digital mural]

It's like 15 isnt it

[digital mural]

Cfoam :3

[errant dome]

4 blobs from a c-foam launcher or a cfoam grenade will stun them for long enough that u can melee them (they cant trigger while c-foamed)

[tardy ingot]

An advice for this

Dont look at amount of bullets. Look at kills/refill (consider other metrics past this too tho pls)

Scatter 1 shots anything non boss/snatcher
2 shots snatcher and mom and is a massive nuke on anything else big

It can also kill multiple smalls at once. Heck, killing 2 per shot is more efficient than most guns are

[digital mural]

Keep it mind if the foam blob hits an already big foam blob the blob won't count to freeze the scout

Pretty funny

I LOVE this game

[errant dome]

that has screwed me over a few times xd

[tardy ingot]

Dont shoot a giants head unless you are running sniper (or precision rifle)

But then again, do not run sniper. Its pretty bad

[green bronze]

true...

it could compete with scattergun if its 6 bullets per refill ig

peak gun balance

[misty kernel]

prec rifle can also kill giants with headshots like sniper?

[green bronze]

nah

it was born for regulars

[misty kernel]

what gun do u suggest me to run with many giant enemies (basically all rundowns and levels lmao)

[tardy ingot]

No, but it actually does noticeably more dmg than a bodyshot contrary to all other guns

[misty kernel]

what do u guys mostly use melee? i main spear easy for me to kill scouts since my noob new (i also suck) relies on me as scout killer
but i also wanna use knife so i can kill 2-3 little guys in 2-3 sec
hard to do it with spear cuz of cooldown

[tardy ingot]

And 3 per mag
And less shot delay
And less recoil
And and and

[tardy ingot]

Hel rifle/scattergun or burst cannon

3 of the top 4 guns

Scattergun being the best but also more close ranged

If you want more detail theres videos about this on youtube

[tardy ingot]

Hammer
Rarely knife
Super super super rarely bat
If i do troll challenges spear

[misty kernel]

why hammer?

isnt it same dmg as spear

[tardy ingot]

Best melee

[misty kernel]

spear has more range too

[tardy ingot]

more

spear cant sprint
Its 17,5 base dmg are a horrible breakpoint

also lower tap dmg and stagger

[past mesa]

It has more or same damage as spear without any of the down sides.

Range isn’t really a factor99% of the time

[misty kernel]

spear 45-50% charge can kill little guys right what about hammer?

[past mesa]

It depends where you hit them but 20-30 back of head

[tardy ingot]

basically same…

[past mesa]

Shoots light tap to back of head.

[tardy ingot]

just you move faster

and you simply full charge to body for a clean kill

dont need headshots for strikers

[past mesa]

If you are never sprinting on hammer and using it as an option then spear is probs okay

[tardy ingot]

okay yea

but you are also skipping on one of the strongest things in this game. Movement

[misty kernel]

theres 2 hel
|which is for headshot against scout?

[past mesa]

Hel Rilfe does it at all angles hel gun does it only to back of head

[misty kernel]

ty

[tardy ingot]

Hel rifle is what youd recommend in general

Its easier to use

as it kills anything non giant/scout with a bodyshot + massive pen and range

[misty kernel]

i see

[tardy ingot]

hel gun is more skill intensive to use

[misty kernel]

rundown easiest to hardest?

[digital mural]

R1 > R3 > R2 > R6 >R7 > R4/R5 >R8

[tardy ingot]

Easiest
R1
R3
R2/R6
R7
R4
R8/R5

[misty kernel]

ty for info

cant u choose ur rundowns when ur matchmaking in game?

automatically sending me to r8 or r5