gtfo-related-questions

[prime musk]

even when i get 2 smalls i feel like it's worse than other options for small clearing
how realisitc is it to consistently hit 3 smalls

[tardy ingot]

3 is tough unless swarmed
2 means you get more small kills than high cal

and considering how much better BC is vs bosses thats pretty good

its definetly not a plug and play wave clear gun tho

[prime musk]

hmm maybe i underestimate it

for bigs it's clearly broken but i don't see its strength as small clear

more kills than high cal is nice but not a super high bar to clear

[tardy ingot]

eh the bar is pretty solid at 10/refill

only a few guns reliably get more than that on most players

[grizzled patrol]

If you are Host or Client with dead Body fix, you can funnel them through a narrow space and Just bläst them without brushing

But at that Point Just use Hel gun

[prime musk]

oh you meant per refill
i thought you meant in kills/time on smalls

[tardy ingot]

oh yea no lol

burst cannon definetly isnt the greatest for that

thats what i meant with it isnt plug n play

[minor fractal]

Not really true, even as host there is a delay before bodies lose collision.

DeadBodyFix provides an unfair advantage, and removes ragdoll collision entirely.

[safe cradle]

Does that mod works as I think it does? Basically you kill 1 thing and it technically stops existing even if you see it, so you can hit shit behind the body?

Because yeah that's very much an unfair advantage

[minor fractal]

Yeah.

I was a fan of it when I thought that's how host worked

but host doesn't actually get that advantage, either.

It's a pretty huge difference, as well.

[safe cradle]

There's a lot of mods that are basically small cheats, it's so laughable

[hardy grotto]

It’s kinda insane

With the burst cannon change I think you notice it a lot more on host

Think I had a striker eat my entire burst

[past mesa]

The thing is burst has okay to good small clear

While being one of the best or only long range big answers worth running

[carmine crescent]

Does anyone know how the alarm works in the r5b3 secondary? The wiki is incorrect on it.

[civic wave]

how it works in what way, and what's wrong on the wiki?

[carmine crescent]

So the side doors open releasing a bunch of guys including a tank. According to the wiki, it also has an alarm that spawns only one tank at time. The actual alarm spawns tanks after a period of time, I was wonder what that time frame was.

[tired aurora]

first tank spawns around 2 minutes after putting the command into the terminal

so every 2 minutes you get a tank spawn

[carmine crescent]

Alright thank you

[tiny wyvern]

So what's wrong exactly?

[ocean spindle]

it seems correct

release bunch of enemies start a one tank alarm

oh

i'm reading wrong i need to check the wiki

ok it seems like it's worded a lil weird but it's correct

[carmine crescent]

Ok I figured it meant that it wouldn’t spawn another tank until we killed the one that was there

[past mesa]

yeah

[mossy dome]

it doesn't count the one that you start with behind the blood door though

[topaz anvil]

still would've loved launch BC

[hasty terrace]

Does anyone have the weekly code for R8A2? 😄

[civic wave]

Uh there's either aurirex's or andocas' website, I don't have the links rn

[hasty terrace]

I was able to find Andocas' website, thanks!

https://andocas.com/gtfo/r8a2/

[craggy pier]

what is overload objective?

[civic wave]

varies from level to level, but in its purest form, it's just another objective added to a level that could be anything, really

no different from secondary

[craggy pier]

thanks =3

[icy cave]

You could call it a tertiary objective. There is only one exception to this so I think it holds up

[olive robin]

I'm doing some damage falloff math right

To determine how far guns can snipe a scout to the head

From my formula
3×160((100−96)÷(100−60) = 48
I have determined konig one shots scouts from at most, 96m a way to the head (not counting occiput)

Is my math right or no

(for reference, it one shots from 98 meters with occiput)

Using that same type of formula adjusted for hel rifle, I got 54m for one shotting a scout

[ocean spindle]

using the formula on the wiki- i might've gotten something wrong most probably- but it throws 94m

100 - [48 / 40 (2.0045x3+2)] (100-60)

and it throws 94.01~

[arctic marten]

I think for sniper the max distance is 93

if 94 it only deals 36 damage to the scout

[ocean spindle]

maybe i'm wrong yeah

it's so hard to- check tbh

maths were never my forte

ok maybe it's 92.01

cuz i think the +2 in that equation is for another situation

so it's 92 meters

[arctic marten]

idk where you got that +2 from

but 93 seems to do 7.00175 bullet damage

[civic wave]

lol i cant remember how integrals or differentials work how am i supposed to read this stupid language

[arctic marten]

~7*2.0025*3 = 42.06 which is enough to kill

[ocean spindle]

i used a random equation in the wiki

but the +2 is for another thing

[native sun]

Also @olive robin @ocean spindle the spreadsheet itself
CC @arctic marten (I know you have your own ss but if you want to yoink the falloff formula feel free)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_YpsPCclnYXiLGaSlCp4efNewkwHUG-RukGpJKdQEnI/edit?usp=sharing

[native sun]

Yeah it's for two extra bodyshots since it's for the 1+2 pistol striker kill

Probably worth including a simpler example

I might add high cal body shot or something

[olive robin]

According to this the scattergun always occiputs a scout??

How

[native sun]

If all pellet hit, yes it would

Just hit all the pellets :)

[olive robin]

Ah yes

Stand at max distance

And land all 32 pellets

[native sun]

You also have to roll the like (1/100)^31 that all the pellets are near the center

[olive robin]

The answer is a mod to make all pellets fire in a straight line to reflect the 1/∞ chance of such a thing happening

Since instead of restarting the run anytime the pellets don't fire in a perfectly straight line

You can use the mod to simulate this perfect run

So genius. I astound even myself

[native sun]

10^62 is way less than 52! though, you'd get 1000 perfect scattergun shots for every time you shuffle a deck of cards in exact order

[olive robin]

It's doable then...

I'll get back to you when I've done my "all my shotgun spreads were perfectly aligned" speedrun

[pulsar narwhal]

best main weapon to use?

[ocean spindle]

hel revo is usually the no brainer- good quick fast just need to hit headshots well

[halcyon current]

Hel Revo Hel Shotgun

[ocean spindle]

but there's some other good ones

sawed off is really good, hel shotties incredible for waves of enemies, dmr is good for longer ranges

heavy smg/smg are the best autos- along with autopistol cause the stagger on it it's 10/10

uhh what else- carbine is really easy to use and very nice

[pulsar narwhal]

no shotgun i need like good range,

[ocean spindle]

all the other semis like pistol rifle burst rifle are solid and work well

[pulsar narwhal]

yea I used the DMR before

[ocean spindle]

for range probs most semis, dmr hel revo rifle pistol burst rifle etc etc

[pulsar narwhal]

whats the revolvers ammo ? high low?

[ocean spindle]

usually mains are balanced with their ammo as long as u shoot well
hel revo has good ammo if u hit headshots but insane value if u also use the penetration on it

cause it's a hel- it can hit multiple enemies

or well i think it's 2 but

already worth

[past mesa]

Good range is just a weight holding you back

[digital mural]

sawed off
hel shotgun
hel revo

hel pistol is also decent

carbine

[ocean spindle]

smh i did it faster than u

[digital mural]

ok stolen hot sauce guy

[ocean spindle]

ur right let's all ditch those guns and only play sawed off slug and 80% of autos

[ocean spindle]

THEY GIVE SAUCE TO ME WHAT DO I DO

[pulsar narwhal]

already tried hel shotgun idk if im using it incorrectly but im better with headshots than close range

[digital mural]

drink it

:3

[ocean spindle]

i mean for single individuals hel shottie is pretty eh
most of its value it's using it with crowds

i said this many times before but: stagger keeps them in place, hel goes through enemies, wide cone hirs many enemies at once, the damage is a 2 3 shot

so u can just basically control a huge amount of enemies with just one mag

[ocean spindle]

:[

[pulsar narwhal]

talking about hel shotugn?

[ocean spindle]

yeah

that's the value of hel shottie

[pulsar narwhal]

yes but I tried already and its like I don't do any damage unless im like I___I this close to the enemy

[digital mural]

its a shotgun

[ocean spindle]

yeah it's pretty close range- but again the damage is about 15
so with 3 shots u should kill an enemy even from a fair distance

[pulsar narwhal]

ill try both again see which one i like more

[ocean spindle]

so take that with the 14 mag, the hel, the stagger, the wide cone

it is amazing for enemies that clump up

and if u walk towards an enemy and just shoot it point blank in the head it's ok for individuals

but yeah something like sawed off it's more for single enemies unless it's an specific situation

hel shottie is just made for crowds

[pulsar narwhal]

then with hel shotgun what should I pair it with special weapons, so far im using the koning sniper

[ocean spindle]

well hel shottie is a decently long reload but if u got teammates to cover u up u could just pretty much play anything

[pulsar narwhal]

mayber

[ocean spindle]

i wouldnt really pair it with sniper- well i just wouldn't play sniper if i'm being honest

but anything else pretty much is fair game

[digital mural]

tbh avoid using sniper

[pulsar narwhal]

works great for scouts and giants

[digital mural]

its in a really really bad spot

[ocean spindle]

u can get guns that do that

better

[pulsar narwhal]

which

[digital mural]

theres guns that do more and better

hel rifle
hel gun
shotguns

[ocean spindle]

burst cannon does it better, scattergun is huge damage and also a oneshot in giants

[digital mural]

even high cal

[ocean spindle]

hel rifle high cal shotgun etc all are 30 dmg

which for reference a giant is 120

a scouts 42?

that or 48- shit i forgot

but well any 30 dmg gun oneshots it in the head

[pulsar narwhal]

kk

[ocean spindle]

at range of course

but yeah snipers just too inflexible, while something like scattergun or burst cannon can be used for smalls as well as bigs

while sniper really doesn't let u use it on smalls cause the reloads very unforgiving

and also just 2 in mag

[halcyon current]

How much damage does Hel Rifle do again?

[ocean spindle]

30

[halcyon current]

That's less then I thought it did tbh

[ocean spindle]

also scouts hp is 42 i checked

[ocean spindle]

it seems like it does more by the sound the mag etc but no it's just part of the 30 dmg bunch

[halcyon current]

Scout is 42 yeah

[ocean spindle]

idk why i thought 48 im tripping

[halcyon current]

I'm not honestly sure that'd make a meaningful difference for most guns anyway

[ocean spindle]

i guess fall off range for stuff like the high cal

[mossy dome]

i feel like telling someone to take hel revo to start with is maybe doing them a disservice

same with a lot of the others mentioned, higher skill ceiling

carbine is a great starter main when you're newer and getting used to things

well-balanced, very forgiving with the hip fire & ammo eco

[halcyon current]

they simply asked what the best weapon was, gave em an answer

was tbh on mobile at the time and didnt see the leaves lmao

[errant dome]

was maybe thinking of carbine clip size lul

[modest monolith]

tell me when you're able to make someone use hel revol.

cuz that's a miracle

[tiny wyvern]

That's actually true

Most people stick to their guns once they get far enough into this game

Unless they're absolutely new

They're probs going for what they enjoy

It's kinda like the issue with pistols

[modest monolith]

isn't that obvious

💀

[tiny wyvern]

I don't know

I don't think fast

So I genuinely don't know if something is intuitive or not

[modest monolith]

another fun fact is

whenever you recommend the hel revol in high tier levels, they think you're acting superior

[tiny wyvern]

hel gun?
why would they?

hel gun's nice

[modest monolith]

hel revol, i edited it

[tiny wyvern]

I mean hel revs a piece of kit that sucks if you don't know how to make it work

[modest monolith]

aim and shoot ?

[fierce walrus]

Yeah, and tbf theres nothing wrong with that. Like if you enjoy using a niche gun, feel free to use it just do acknowledge that its not meta

[fierce walrus]

you also gotta reload

it gets complicated

[modest monolith]

isn't every gun like it ?

[fierce walrus]

im pretty sure yes

hel rev just has pen

[tiny wyvern]

also reload cancel

[fierce walrus]

and besides that its just a good pistol

[fierce walrus]

even without reload cancel, hel revo has a really good reload

so that shouldnt be an issue for anyone

and like reload cancels are even hard to do

[sturdy glen]

hel revo haters just have no taste in gunplay

out of all the mains it couldve been im happy the strongest one is hel revo

[halcyon current]

Tbh I think it's cool the strongest main is a revolver

Not a rifle, or a shotgun, or anything like that

A revolver

[fierce walrus]

I mean yeah, like hel shotty i can kinda understand if someone doesnt like the way it plays
But hel rev is just plain and simple

[ocean plinth]

F in the chat for the pistol mains🥲

[tiny wyvern]

why?

We've got like seven pistols to choose from

Isn't that good?

[ocean plinth]

I’m taking specifically about the Sheling s45

I see no one use that

The hel rev and high cal pistol everyone uses

[tiny wyvern]

you mean the normal pistol?

I mean it's alright but have you tried killing a giant with it?

[ocean plinth]

Yeah

Pulls out high cal pistol *

[tiny wyvern]

No like seriously

Can you?

[ocean plinth]

Yeah

With 2 mags

[tiny wyvern]

Most of the pistols kill giants about the same ammo

Main anyways

Ttk wise tho the pistol is slightly lacking

Which is why less people use it

[tardy ingot]

What
No

[tardy ingot]

its ttk isnt actually bad

pistol is a solid choice, its just outvalued by the rly strong weapons

[tiny wyvern]

Yeah but it's a reason people don't use it

It's not bad

But there's better stuff for what it does

[fierce walrus]

Okay, a not horrible reload, better?

[tardy ingot]

it legit has one of the worst reloads of a main…

2.3 seconds

[prime musk]

i want to memorise all the possible spawnpoints of cells in r2e1, particularly those in the error alarm section
in this information available anywhere or do i just cconsole there, look where they are, and exit and repeat a bunch of times

[tiny wyvern]

Speedrunner data probably
they should have them

[prime musk]

so in the speedrunning server ?

[tiny wyvern]

They have maps for this stuff
Don't know where it is, but I know it exists

...Although knowing all the spawns won't mean that the cells spawn where you want them to

You'll still need to ping them half the time

[topaz anvil]

just reset until you get the one you want :D

[prime musk]

if i know where all the spawns are it takes very little time to find them without ping

[tiny wyvern]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3166671266

[prime musk]

thank you

[tiny wyvern]

Well good faqing luck especially in r2e1 error

[topaz anvil]

use a set seed xd

[prime musk]

im not going to be speedrunning

but thanks anyways

[tiny wyvern]

What do you even need this info for?

[prime musk]

duos

[tiny wyvern]

oh

Well that makes sense

[prime musk]

not needed but more knowledge and less time on terminal when 2 players down is really helpful

[tiny wyvern]

Oh void made those maps

I wonder... if he'll update them when he comes back one day

[strange jolt]

a lot of people contribute

you can if you want to

[tiny wyvern]

The years will fly by and if void ain't dead by then I'm sure we'll see him around
(Hopefully)

[strange jolt]

i think r2e1 map should be fine tho unless im missing something

[tiny wyvern]

Idk I don't speedrun

I just remember there were maps

[strange jolt]

it just looks like really ass cell spawns were omitted

[tiny wyvern]

Yeah i mean
Just reset if you get those...
You're going to die anyways

[strange jolt]

which could hinder a casual run

[strange jolt]

i doubt that

just because theyre bad for speedruns doesnt mean its bad for runs outside of that

[tiny wyvern]

true

[strange jolt]

its maybe opening an extra room or fighting a wave or two

but if cell does spawn there it wouldve been more economical to just ping on term

instead of checking all good cell spawns first then realizing its not in those spots

[civic wave]

Q2 tech

[strange jolt]

cheating

[civic wave]

well maybe that won't work as well when carrying turb/baby, uhh

[strange jolt]

up there with stronger prisoner

[tiny wyvern]

q2?

Is that a mod?

[strange jolt]

no

im joking

its just opening the chat wheel

[civic wave]

Q2 -> if carry the objective item comm pops up, someone is in the room with any given heavy object

cargo, turbine, cell, baby, whatever

[tiny wyvern]

Oh that

Yeah well that isn't cheating

is it?

[strange jolt]

its not

but as goat said since youre maybe already carrying a cell and baby its going to be hard to tell if the cell is in your room if any of those objectives are dropped

[civic wave]

it is, because it tells you if you got cell in 514A for your r4e1 secondary speedrun :)

[strange jolt]

but it will still help

[ocean spindle]

what's a level that has giants with smalls sleeping over a very long corridor?
i would like to see if- using the snipers scope measurements- we can see the exact height of a giant

cause i never seen the exact number

something like the r1b2 hallways for the first zones

[strange jolt]

do giants have varying sizes?

[ocean spindle]

iiiii wouldn't doubt it?

but also part of me kinda does

cause we've seen strikers have height differences- we would've noticed giants do

[tiny wyvern]

Wasn't those size differences?

Not just height

[prime musk]

r2c1 has some pretty big rooms that can spawn both smalls and bigs
but guaranteed i don't know of any expeditions

[ocean spindle]

i mean yeah but it's just scaling

[ocean spindle]

i mean only the side zones for the first terminal but i feel like they don't have the greatest visibility

maybe i'll just do it with ccconsole once i get a pc

[prime musk]

first zone as well

[ocean spindle]

the first zone doesn't have far sight lines

most of the zone is corridors

and one room divider that goes down

so it doesn't work

[prime musk]

ig

[safe cradle]

SUPER RARE but it can happen in r1c1

I had it happen like twice

but only one giant

[safe cradle]

What are you trying to do exactly?

Just go to R4B1 first zone IIRC it's mostly giant strikers and you can see if they've size differences

[ocean spindle]

u see the sniper has the classic measurements on the scope for targets from 200 meters away and stuff

u could measure the exact height of a giant with the help of a striker by getting to that distance

cause a strikers about 1.8 which is the measurement on the sight

so if u got a striker and a giant side by side

u could calculate it

that's also why c1 wouldn't work- it's too dark

unless u had glowsticks i guess

[safe cradle]

🤔

I guess you could just cconsole or some shit to save the effort, but you might wanna ask that to someone that knows how to use the damn thing

I already got a bit annoyed when I tested the shadow resolution and how it impacted seeing shadows (as in, the enemy)

Long story short as along as it ain't set on Low it doesn't matter much

[civic wave]

r1d1

[ocean spindle]

that's good to know for when people come asking for that

[ocean spindle]

damn true

[safe cradle]

I was surprised to see how BAD having it on Low really makes them be

They're much less darker and defined

[ocean spindle]

they look pixelated as fuck

i remember ah those days
such pain

where i played on lower settings

yeah it's awful

[near bison]

how are people out here beating d-level expeditions with bots? what sort of strategies must one employ to get good at the game? my friend and i cant even get past r1c1

[prime musk]

is the question "how do we beat r1c1" or "how people beat difficult expeditions with bots"

[near bison]

both

[digital mural]

R1C1? I got you

[ocean spindle]

here it comes

[ocean spindle]

for the bot answer, it's just a mix of knowing well how to work with bots, knowing the level- at least to the point i know how to prepare for alarms
and just general good game knowledge of how to sneak and deal with some enemies melee scouts etc etc

[safe cradle]

Some D-levels are way easier than others but the main issue is that you should be able to do r1c1.

[ocean spindle]

realistically the only easy D tiers with bots are r6 and r1 D1s rlly tho

the others range from hard to insane

[digital mural]

Captain America: puts foot on chair "So you are having trouble with R1C1"

a reactor is ultimately 3 parts,
1 Wave Defense
2 gathering resources in between
3 getting the code into the terminal in time
If you already know how R1C1's reactor works, then its just the first two things you need, and they can go hand in hand

the most popular place to defend for many reasons is the bridge tile. the hole in the wall at the south end is a great choke point where you can get angles and focus your sentries, the bridge itself is a perfect funnel if/as you fall back, and its only about a 30 second run to the reactor terminal.

when you start looting after the shooting, you have quite a lot of resources around you to spend as the code person runs out and runs back. and on longer warm up times for the later codes, you have enough time to run forward and loot in previous areas.

when giants spawn having someone with a good weapon for bigs like hel rifle is useful (especially for hybrids) as well as saving tool by only having 2 sentries down for most waves, saving it for later waves or the waves with Hybrids (4, 6, 8).

this is definitely a 3 sentry + 1 bio tracker level, and when you learn all sentries are not created equal.
Burst is the best all-arounder.
Sniper sentry thrives with bio tracking and the long sight lines on this level.
shot gun sentry is in the game
Autosentry is in the game.

if you have a bot, they are a boss with the biotracker so give them that, and if you have three bots god go with you.

[ocean spindle]

shot gun

[near bison]

ill be referring to this religiously, thank you <3

[ocean spindle]

side point u said u and ur friend- do u have two bots also?

[near bison]

yeah, we usually play with two bots

[ocean spindle]

i would also recommend u give the bots a certain weaponry- cause they don't really adapt to what gun u put on them

so i would highly recommend burst rifle and any of the two machineguns

they work best with those guns

[near bison]

i see i see, so giving them shotguns like i've been doing probably isnt the best idea

[ocean spindle]

yeah bots do a couple things that make em iffy with that
they shoot on line of sight so short range is a bad option, and they don't do precision very well so bodyshot weapons are the way

and also they use any weapon on any enemy so they could be shooting a giant or a small enemy

so with burst rifle mg u get the flexibility of that, the range and the bodyshot

[near bison]

i see, ill definitely be changing their loadouts in that case. definitely feel like bots aren't going to cut it in later rundowns, or my friend and i are just going to have to get really good; thank you for the advice

[ocean spindle]

yeah for very later missions in other rundowns u might need people but that's why the discords here!

good luck on c1

[near bison]

ty

[strange jolt]

the bot with bio carry in reactor skip is insane

[ocean spindle]

so true

but it is also marginally harder cause u don't get real people shooting

and u cannot really split up either to prepare so ur lower hp

cause icky

[strange jolt]

ngl i consider staying together and just shooting shit to be more than enough for reactor skip

the problem with doing it with real people is that they get lost or dont know where the set scans are

[ocean spindle]

they aren't so fine at the 'shooting shit' mark

[ocean spindle]

but well that's more of an issue of not doing d1 enough before hand i guess

[strange jolt]

the real person carrying one hel shotgun is more than enough

[ocean spindle]

i did it with dak [i think?] and it was really really easy lol

3 bots is just very funky

[icy cave]

It's not the rundowns that matter. Altho R1 is by far the easiest the difficulty is not linear. R5 do be much harder than R6 just as R3 is easier than R2 and R7 fall below R4 and R5

Focus more on the letters

A,B,C,D, E

[prime musk]

(the letters are also not very representative, but are still a better indicator)

[strange jolt]

r5 b tiers

[icy cave]

Yes but that's more because of the rundowns being harder/easier than others.

Oh and R6 scaling being whack

And R8 shenanigans

But yeah. still better indicators than R..

[strange jolt]

are you talking about r6 extensions?

[tardy ingot]

bruh what

[strange jolt]

cause the difficulty in r6 is pretty consistent

[strange jolt]

i made them actually

[icy cave]

That but also. B1 should just have been A2, C1 should have been B1 and D1 should have been C1

[tardy ingot]

mostly bread void and me

[civic wave]

no respect for goat keymaps smh

[tiny wyvern]

dementia

Don't worry about it

[tardy ingot]

if you are worried about bot gameplay just ask @wild flare theyve done a lot of missions with bots only

[ocean spindle]

funny funny r5 bot runs

[strange jolt]

wholly disagree

especially since theyre set as story missions

[ocean spindle]

i think r6 difficulty scaling its fine, it just weird when bunched with all the other rundowns with the 'being easy' thing

[icy cave]

Doesn't excuse it. there is a difficulty scaling. Being a story mission does not justify throwing that out the window

[ocean spindle]

cuz a 5 scout room after a giant filled zone sounds like r5 kind of b tier difficulty

[icy cave]

R7 did D1 and D2 as story

so .....

[ocean spindle]

r7 did have a lot of b and c tiers with optionals to try to scale the difficulty between the C and the D tier

r6 is a little more bare bones on that aspect, except for the X levels but those were added later

not really to connect the difficulty between the tier

[icy cave]

Optionals in R6 and R7 work the same

the 2 has a sec. the 3 has PE

Altho actually C2 was PE in R7

[strange jolt]

the difficulty scales quite well though

[icy cave]

Guess they did make an effort there

[ocean spindle]

yeah, i just don't think r6 had as much intention to do the same thing as r7- with having only a b2 that's more so there to just be another objective
and having 4 D tiers

[icy cave]

Not when you compare the 1's to the 2 and 3's

[ocean spindle]

r7 B2 B3 C2 and C3 feel more to prepare the user for the D and E tier

R6 levels that aren't story feel more to introduce concepts

[icy cave]

And more I would argue that R7C3 shits on D1 and D2

[ocean spindle]

i think the difficulty scaling on r6 is fine but it falls as how the game is now, with it being the 6th rundown on the screen

but there's not much tiers u can move inside of it

to make it make sense

ur just left without D tiers if u make D1 into a C1 rlly, or u make D2 into D1?

[strange jolt]

because you were intended to do the story missions first

[tardy ingot]

not rly?
B1 is a B tier
C1 a C tier
D1 is also realistically a D tier, just on the lower end

extensions are actually B, C and D fitting

[ocean spindle]

also with the optionals sure

but as a main only it's kinda balanced with D1

i'd say D1s harder then even

[strange jolt]

extension difficulty made sense in og

[tardy ingot]

theres a difference between looking at main only and levels with optionals

[icy cave]

I know why they did it. 1.0. have to be welcoming etc etc etc. It just doesn't make sense anymore and was dumb already on OG

[strange jolt]

why'd they even bump the tiers down

[tardy ingot]

@strange jolt visuals

[ocean spindle]

to make it square

[strange jolt]

lol

[icy cave]

Always all objectives. main only doesn't exist

[ocean spindle]

5 D tiers is funky

[icy cave]

You look at a level you look at everything

[tardy ingot]

its still realistically 5 D tier mains

[ocean spindle]

i just don't think r6 could really move any levels between tiers more than it has done already

both cause it messes with the visual but also just they feel balanced within its ecosystem

u would move them to fir with the other rundowns- but tbf u would also have to move a lot of shit from r5

maybe some for r3

u would have to move more than one rundown around

[icy cave]

Move it around. Ain't got the time

[ocean spindle]

that's the kind of issue seeing all the rundowns as a whole is that a lot of them are fine on their own but funky when together

i'd rather move the rundown order than to move the tiers individually

make r3 into r2 instead

[icy cave]

R6 was whack on it's own already as I stated above

[strange jolt]

it really isnt

[ocean spindle]

it's whack on context but on its individual difficulty ecosystem the scaling it's fine

seeing r6 just as a rundown it's fine on its scaling

problem is comparing it and u can do that with a lot of rundowns

[tardy ingot]

R6 is also fine in general

people overplay how easy the rundown is

it just has an actual curve

R6A1 is just very simple

it tops of lower than other rundowns later on

but R6 is pretty clearly harder than R2 if you ignore how R2E1 is a harsh outlier

[ocean spindle]

really the only change i might agree is making b2 into a2 but it would probs have to be nerfed further

and to do that there is rlly no point

plus u lose the aesthetic

of the cube

[wild flare]

all lvls until r5d2 on r5 were very doable without much issue

r5d2 is fucked and i am watching guide of r5e1 and i dont know, how the hell i can pull this off

[ocean spindle]

i seen ur journey you don't have to remark every step

[tardy ingot]

B2 is also in no way close to any main A tier rly

neither with optionals

[ocean spindle]

ngl main feels really like r1a1 except with infection

and

[tardy ingot]

what?

the alarms are ridicolusly harder

[ocean spindle]

a forward extract

[tardy ingot]

specifically if you look at solo

but in team still

[ocean spindle]

are they it's been a while since i played it

[tardy ingot]

4 alarms

2 blood doors

[ocean spindle]

OH IT HAS BLOOD DOORS

[tardy ingot]

all group scans

[ocean spindle]

I FORGOT KDMSKDMD

[tardy ingot]

no split scans

(tbf split scans would be horrible in the later tileset)

[ocean spindle]

i COMPLETELY FORGOT b2 introduced blood doors at all

qwq

ok i changed my mind kdmskd

[prime musk]

hold up this doesn't have cell spawns for 602

(first zone of error)

someone pls fix

[tardy ingot]

well cuz we dont pick that one up

you just take the one from neonate alarm zone

[tiny wyvern]

Isn't it too far away even for duos

[tardy ingot]

the 602 one is an omega waste of time for any speed that isnt a solo (but who the fuck solo speedruns r2e1)

[prime musk]

i would have imagined strat was to just run and split path to cover all cell spawns and that that would save time but ig not

[tardy ingot]

you are carrying neonate anyhow

[prime musk]

true team can't move faster than neonate carrier anyways

[icy cave]

I said B1 into A2

[ocean spindle]

ah woops

[tardy ingot]

B1 isnt even in the top 3 of the easiest B tiers

[safe cradle]

Alarms in R6B2?

"ridicously harder" than what?

R5A1's with secondary IMHO ain't that much far from R6B2

[topaz anvil]

Whats the discussion?

[safe cradle]

I think it was about R6B2 possibly being compared to an A-tier

[tardy ingot]

R1A1

[safe cradle]

or R6 being "easy" or whatnot

[safe cradle]

Sure I guess in that case

But I still think it'd okay with slapping it a "R6A2" and call it a day.

You even get a res room you've no need to do.

I dont know I consider level tiers a very misused way to rank their difficulty up

Therefore I think that there's a lot of flexibility.

R1D1 isn't even remotely comparable to other D-levels in the game due to how easy it is

Perhaps the second-most easy would go to R6D1

or R2D1 I guess

R3D1 qualifies too

But they dont even come close to how stupidly easy R1D1 is

[tardy ingot]

That would essentially make it the hardest A tier aside from r8a2 (which is supposed to be way harder) main only

and that doesnt roll well

[tardy ingot]

This is also a first rundown

[safe cradle]

I dont know, I wouldn't think it'd be that big of a deal, as in I dont think it'd be unfathomably harder and kinda in the same league as R5A1 Secondary.

[tardy ingot]

SECONDARY

no shot

When i talked about main

[safe cradle]

I meant secondary with secondary eh

[tardy ingot]

optionals are way more irregular in how much they boost difficulty

[safe cradle]

R5A1 Fully and "R6A2" Fully are, IMHO, on a comparable scale at the very least

[tardy ingot]

r5 is also the rundown with the harshest general start

R5 has some of the hardest A and B tiers with optionals

And its C tier mains are way above any others apart from R7 and R8

R6B2 might be the easiest B tier with optionals

But its not the easiest B tier main only based

[safe cradle]

Still the map has that sector anyway

For me speaking about map X Main only when it has a secondary sector isn't fully speaking about it. I can get the argument for R8A2 because le funne level with nightmare tutorial but eh.

[green bronze]

R6A2 ??

[tardy ingot]

Levels are designed for its tier with a base difficulty

which is main

optionals can stray from the tier

[safe cradle]

I do recognize that R6B2 is, in its entirety, harder than R5A1 in its entirety, I just dont think it's by a degree large enough for it not to be considered "R6A2".

[tardy ingot]

(Ignore R8 for this obviously its intentionally diff)

[safe cradle]

I dont share that... a lot of levels feel very bland on main only and others feel like sectors are just an extra trip somewhere (for example R4A3's Secondary sector is VERY pointless).

[tardy ingot]

Its not smth you have to share
Its how it is

difficulty btw
Not design as a whole

[safe cradle]

I know that their idea was what you said

I think they kinda did a bad job at it long enough for it not to matter at this point

[tardy ingot]

it also works very well if you rank missions by main only

R1 and R8 are easy outliers obviously

R5 goes hard (for good past reasons)

but a level in a tier is very similar to another level in the same tier main only

[safe cradle]

Then I wouldn't get why main only R6B2 would be that bad for it to be considered an A-tier.

What's the hard alarm, the one for Main bulkhead?

Sure it ain't THAT much a walk in the park but I dont think it's that hard either

[tardy ingot]

well not hard
but hard compared to A tier alarms

you got 4 alarms

1st and 2nd are easy to stall with foam, but without enemies spawn close
3rd and 4th make you go through rooms with infectous fog

(not this version but og was a rly rly good infectous fog intro)

idk why they changed the zone after 1st alarm

if you compare it to other A tier mains its noticeably higher on the difficulty

but in a similar manner to the R2 B tiers

[icy cave]

It was about R6B1 ......

[tardy ingot]

R6B1 is the exact same
its a B tier main as all the other Bs rly

[icy cave]

It should have been A2

[tardy ingot]

nah

then they wouldve need a B1 again

[icy cave]

Yeah place C1

[tardy ingot]

C1 is also just a C tier

[icy cave]

It's a joke of a C

[tardy ingot]

compare it to R1C1, R1C2, R2C1, R2C2, R3C1, R4C1, R4C2, R8C1

[digital mural]

No way
Eva is playing LoL

[tiny wyvern]

I mean LoL's still LoL

[icy cave]

Exactly my point it's not a C tier

[tiny wyvern]

There's some fun in it, but you know
Vc

[tardy ingot]

its on the same level or higher than all of those lol

[icy cave]

It's below 5 of those

[tardy ingot]

which

reminder, main only

[icy cave]

nah uh . Complete map. Always complete map. I refuse to participate in that weak cop out

[tardy ingot]

tiers arent set by optionals for difficulty tho

[icy cave]

Anyway we won't agree. ever

[tardy ingot]

so main only counts

[icy cave]

So Imma focus on the cooking

[tardy ingot]

no shit a main only C tier is easier than a optional c tier

[icy cave]

It is !

So we did agree in the end

Good

[tardy ingot]

no more like you didnt understand what i meant and what the tiers are actually set on

if tiers were based on the 100% difficulty then its all borked

[icy cave]

Like the devs are consistent

come on

the glowstick loophole showed their lazyness

[tardy ingot]

they arent perfectly consistent but R2-R7 is pretty well lined

[icy cave]

anyways lets just agree to disagree. after all I believe in peace between all people

[tardy ingot]

R1 is kek
and R8 is intentionally different

[icy cave]

Back to cooking

[carmine crescent]

I think r5 is also more difficult than the average rundown

[mossy dome]

r4 & r5 are just longer not harder imo

[carmine crescent]

r4's length is brutal

[tardy ingot]

yes on average it is

be it main or 100%

r4 is honestly not that long level wise

[mossy dome]

r4c3

[carmine crescent]

100%, main is pretty easy

[tardy ingot]

R4 and R5 have a lot of tedious objectives in optionals thats true tho

[carmine crescent]

what is the longest PE

[mossy dome]

eva would prolly know for speedruns

[tardy ingot]

uuuh

[mossy dome]

regular runs/pubs I think some of the r4/r5x3's are really long for PE

[tardy ingot]

for PEs i actually dont know

100% speedruns are a bit rare

we usually do any%

there was a 100% gtfo% run recently (all optionals)

could check there to get a rough estimate

id expect it to be somewhere along R8E2, R5C2 or R5D1

[carmine crescent]

R8E2 💀

[mossy dome]

r5d1 takes a long time if played as intended due to the fog

[carmine crescent]

havent played that one yet

[mossy dome]

r5c2 I don't think is honestly that bad PE

[tardy ingot]

r8e2 having a mega crazy full objective skip is just so funny to me

[carmine crescent]

yeah saw ur vid on that

wild stuff

[mossy dome]

fitting that hardest level has hardest skip imo

[carmine crescent]

true

[mossy dome]

actually idk if that's even true

brazil skip

[tardy ingot]

well the R8E2 skip is difficult for other reasons

[civic wave]

brazil skip is a funny thing

[tardy ingot]

and a massive glitched thing as its out of bounds

R7E1 is just a cool skip

[mossy dome]

brazil skip is on my bucket list at some point

[civic wave]

I guess you can separate it into level breaking skips (OOBs, clipping, triggering/bypassing waypoints of objectives), and regular skips where you play the level differently

also @tardy ingot I have not eaten anything since this morning lol

[tardy ingot]

man

eat smth

ive eaten twice

[civic wave]

R6AX, R7D1, R8E2, any more levels with level breaking skips?

[tardy ingot]

and then get to practicing the r8e2 skip

[civic wave]

i refuse

[carmine crescent]

I assume its easier than just playing it normally

[tardy ingot]

nothing as of right now

[ocean spindle]

goat u should get even more curry

[tardy ingot]

r8c2 might be joining if we find a way

[tardy ingot]

mmh idk

[civic wave]

I

[tardy ingot]

if you fail theres a chance the runs insta dead

[civic wave]

HAD CURRY FROM RESTAURANTS

[tardy ingot]

but its very different difficulty

[civic wave]

on wednesday and thursday

and then a home curry last night

[tardy ingot]

even my guide footage is cut up technically

[ocean spindle]

yeah why not today too :]

[civic wave]

i am not eating more curry (until tuesday probably)

[ocean spindle]

ur body surely can handle more curry

[civic wave]

it can but i don't want to buy more curry or eat my leftovers yet

[ocean spindle]

that's just gonna be now a running joke how much curry u eat

[tardy ingot]

take it like this
if you try to do the skip without any other glitches id say the run is a good bit harder

[civic wave]

it already is a running a joke

[minor fractal]

It's not that hard strat-wise, tbh.

R5E1 cell skip where you go class III into double mom kill to get all of your teamscans out of the way is harder.

Probably hardest speed route in the game rn.

It's just a lot of hard sections back to back

Class III, walking into double mom zone and getting double insta, duoing tank/charger zone.

[tardy ingot]

i think they were talking about r8e2 objectiveless

not r7e1

[strange jolt]

how hard is the route to pull off

[tardy ingot]

glitched, obviously a lot easier to get to it
the actual route with 4 people is kinda tough. Any missstep is either a reset to the start, falling into a room down below or just a full stuck moment

all of those can mean an instant wipe since you need at least 61% hp to survive the first fall alone

if you wanted to do the route in a normal run
insanely hard

youd need to do 2nd class 6 immediatly (tho you could open reactor zone to get ressources) and the extract area has you deal with enemies spawning ON TOP of you (snatchers and tanks)

[white quiver]

hey ! the wiki isnt up to date on a lot of expeditions regarding the list of enemies found accross sectors and the infection level of the expe. does anyone have this kind of information ? thanks a lot 🙂

[tardy ingot]

its not?

whats specifically wasnt up to date

[white quiver]

For example, the R5B3 fandom page doesn't show anything about the enemies inside the expedition

It's missing infos* i should have said instead

[tardy ingot]

hmm

[ocean spindle]

some pages have a lot of stuff missing like video guide, map, enemies, infection...

ur more than welcome to try and help out tho and add some stuff if u see it's missing

just follow like the guide that u can see in levels like r4a1 which are some of the most complete

[mental furnace]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CC_lsObUbvp7FrGt-MtQrcFvKQGsQ1FRLxIsREG6tu0/edit?gid=605910005#gid=605910005 is reliable as far as I know

[white quiver]

thanks, ill look around !

[green bronze]

is it only me think or hel auto pistol is way better than the machine pistol

[wooden cloak]

how do i shut down reactor on last R1?

[tardy ingot]

Check commands

On the term

[wooden cloak]

ah found out

those

invisible fuckers

are terrifying

[ocean spindle]

funny lil guys

:]

[silent delta]

she shadow on my reactor till i shutdown

[ocean spindle]

ahh~!

[upper ginkgo]

why did my parents divorce

[topaz anvil]

Ran out of beans

[whole grove]

dna test

[dawn sigil]

Hello frens, if I wake up any of the charger scouts on R3D1 will they spawn regular enemies or chargers?

[upper ginkgo]

regular enemies !

[shell bone]

guys any tips for a duo on r2c2

[upper ginkgo]

stop dying !

[dawn sigil]

I'm blasting them, they're such a pain in the ass to dodge
Tnx~

[upper ginkgo]

what are you dying on

[shell bone]

were just dying

lol

[upper ginkgo]

hardest parts are the first alarm tbh

[shell bone]

we get trough that

its just the lookin for pid in fog with enemies

[upper ginkgo]

there's a resource zone once you get past fog zone

[shell bone]

so we just rush through and not give a crap about infection or ammo?

[upper ginkgo]

uh you can take it slow with fog turbine

just don't let the enemies stack

[shell bone]

ah i see

because we try our best too use melees

and that vets us cornered sometimes

[upper ginkgo]

yeah it's better to shoot

level is generous with ammo

you just need to know where to look

can we get a melee combat guide

[dawn sigil]

There is a disinfection station right after the door on the fog, so yeah, you can ignore the fog until that point, you'll eventually have to go back to search for IDs tho

[shell bone]

Oh there is? Sweet

[whole grove]

You can look at the GTFO steam map and the wiki to identify what you need to do and then just focus on reaching the next area instead of trying to look in the fog. You can come back into the fog when you're trying to find the last ID and if not, use the key you find in the eastern area all the way back to the west side

[dawn sigil]

Up in the stairs, near the first blood door there are more stairs, there is the station

I wouldn't leave the last ID to be found in the fog area, since it will spawn some giants, and by that point you'll be a little low on ammo, and not be able to see them, they will end your run

[shell bone]

alright

[whole grove]

you've been spoiled, gl though

[shell bone]

thanks everyonew

[whole grove]

Which movie would best represent GTFO?

I think it's The Descent (2005)

[upper ginkgo]

just cause it's underground?

[whole grove]

plus claustrophobic with horror

Please, some famous director notice this game and make a movie! There could be single player story where you are alone and you are lost in the complex trying to figure out what is happening.

[modest monolith]

and that character is henriksson

[digital mural]

it would make a bit of more sense if its schaeffer

like seeing his Pov after he lost his team

just walking through garganta

[whole grove]

lol i knew someone would say this

I think it be good if it be someone else not tied to the game's known characters

[digital mural]

the Daylight team perhaps

we dont know much about them

[soft crater]

you play a dangerous game saying this.

gonna be attracting infamous directors

[ocean spindle]

i think gtfo is a very big story but also would be very weird to make it into a script without making it very exposition-y

[silent delta]

they got michael bay to direct skibidi toilet surely they can track someone down for this game

[fierce walrus]

GTFO directed by Michael Bay:
All prisoners have rpgs.
Sleepers explode on death.
Walls explode.
The complex explodes.

Mines explode too.

[silent delta]

nah mines are the only thing in the complex that doesnt explode

[fierce walrus]

Oh yeah

they are all duds

[rancid crown]

Haven't played in 3~ years. I remember playing some maps that are not solo/duo friendly, so much micro management needed for the bots.

Is it now possible to finish everything solo and duo?

Only game I could compare it to is ready or not and it's possible to finish everything there solo.

[tiny wyvern]

three missions have not been completed solo, but they are sort of possible

Everything is duoable

With or without bots

[rancid crown]

thanks! So much new content. Just have to git gud with my partner then.

[tiny wyvern]

get good is an understatement

[dim warren]

about being able to do almost everything solo or duo.. is it a dumb idea to try playing the first few levels solo/duo as an absolute beginner?

[grizzled patrol]

If you are determined to learn it the hard way, Go for it

[native sun]

Yes and no.

Yes because it'll be brutally hard and you might get stuck a lot just because of stuff which you don't realise/haven't learnt.

No because you'll be able to play at your own pace, experiment as much as you want, the only stakes are your own time (and if you're learning it is hardly time wasted)

[tardy ingot]

4 (tho tbh you could argue its more)

[dim warren]

now im wondering what stuff you are talking about.. i mean ive beaten the first two or three levels with my friend but that probably hardly scratches the surface

[native sun]

Just to clarify, with or without bots?

[dim warren]

uhhmm

i think the first we did two times, once with and once without to try whats better (bots do be dumb as fuck)

the second with bots but only one got out alive

stealthing with bots was very fuckt hence why i tried it without but then we were missing sentries or other tools

[native sun]

Yeah the bots are basically just walking sentries, but they do have their own tools which is honestly a big deal. Extra sentries or bio-tracker goes kinda hard.

[dim warren]

bio tracker has uses if equipped on bots?

[native sun]

Yeah, they'll ping with it

[dim warren]

ah damn

[tardy ingot]

also just incase theres a missunderstanding

Bots cant wake up enemies in stealth

[icy cave]

It has uses if equipped on bots or players. You can and should always have one with you

[icy cave]

It is just scratching the surface. You'll scratchen the surface all the way to the last 2 levels of R2 and even then ....

[dim warren]

yeah i figured that out but they just start shooting like maniacs when one of the sleepers goes to wakers

[icy cave]

But you guys will figure it out by then and come lfg like 95% of peeps

[icy cave]

Their shooting is silent

[devout whale]

that still won't wake anything ELSE up

[icy cave]

Don't wake up nuthing

[tardy ingot]

It wont even wake up the enemies they are shooting

[devout whale]

but i figured they'd be only shooting woke enemies

[tardy ingot]

The only theoretical way a bot would cause a wakeup is by accidentally hitting a mine

[devout whale]

or can they actually hit sleeping targets by mistake?

[tiny wyvern]

They can hit stuff along the way

[tardy ingot]

They can accidentally hit asleep ones (either by shotguns/missing or pen)

[dim warren]

wait what

it always seemed like bots shooting wakes up the room

[devout whale]

oh i see, i had that never happen to me, then i take back my "ELSE"

[icy cave]

Nope.

[tardy ingot]

Thats cuz usually when they shoot you already woke up something

That and people panicking, cuz shooting = awake right? So they also shoot which would wake it up for sure

[devout whale]

that happens because you either panick shoot or move, or maybe the enemy who is awake manages to scream

[tardy ingot]

Its rly rare

[tiny wyvern]

I mean I did once
but it was kinda weird

[devout whale]

bots are actually really really strong for early levels where you have all the time you need and your team doesn't need to do multiple things at the same time

[tardy ingot]

Bots are able to entirely clear lots of missions without the player shooting or meleeing a single time

[dim warren]

yeah then it must be my reaction to bots shooting and then panicking

paid attention to the sleeper if it started screaming but didnt

[tardy ingot]

it does require using them and their tools in the right way tho

[lone mortar]

When stream?

[tardy ingot]

[topaz anvil]

Ah sorry you just missed it

[lone mortar]

Dang it

[lone mortar]

Im gonna curbstomp you eva

[safe cradle]

In case you're wondering, in that case the enemy will be stuck in a middle state where it basically just spins around awake in position facing you and doesn't attack.

I had it happen once in R3C1's res zone when I gave bots HEL Gun for fun

[devout whale]

lol

[safe cradle]

yeah it's fun to see 😄

[green bronze]

so... hybrid doesnt wake up to shoving?

[tardy ingot]

giants in general dont

[ocean spindle]

enemies have a 'on/off' setting that checks if the shoving does anything to them

and if it's off it just straight up doesn't do nothing so

it doesn't count to wake em up lol

[grizzled patrol]

i love slapping Hybrid asses without any consequences

[ocean spindle]

shove the sleeping pmother in front of newies to scare the shit out of them

:D

[green bronze]

it took me that long to find out...

[whole grove]

The one director that can make this game known to all in this genre is Denis Villeneuve, director of the recent Dune movie and other sci-fi movies that have been adaptations of books

The Alien franchise has a number of great people who could also bring gtfo to the big screen on theatres

Pulsing, throbbing, glowing, snoring mutated humans in child pose around in the dark can be pretty scary

[halcyon current]

oh i am about to prank the shit out of my friends lmao

[ocean spindle]

teehee :3

[halcyon current]

Oh

I was right btw

The one iffy one quit at R2D2

[finite oracle]

in what levels where hybrids were introduced in the original rundown

[digital mural]

r1c1?

[tired aurora]

In OG i think it was R2B1

[finite oracle]

ok

[icy cave]

OG. Klusher is right it was R2B1

[digital mural]

thanks fellow Rule 7 Enjoyer

[icy cave]

Best rule

[little pilot]

@prisma cradle

[lone mortar]

Ayo?

[dim warren]

is gtfo done now, like content-wise or are there still rundowns to come?

[safe cradle]

nah is very much probably done

no more rundowns or content aside from perhaps a limited cosmetic when a freeweek drops or something like that

If you're thinking of buying it has all 8 rundowns avaiable now

[dim warren]

alr alr, then now the time has come to beat my head against the wall while trying to even manage the first rundowns

[safe cradle]

so you aren't gonna miss much aside from the "non-remastered" (for the lack of a better term) version of level and old stamina-less gameplay or 5-shot burst cannon

[dim warren]

bought the game a year or two ago, just never had the people to play with (still don't but im willing to go lfg gaming) cuz i love the vibe and i can imagine gtfo becoming one of my favorites if i got to play it

[safe cradle]

eh you might aswell try it if you've it in your library already

[dim warren]

yeah saw the remastered thing, the whole sliding running thing is still the way to have most stamina right?

[dim warren]

have played 8 hours, just again, didnt have the people and duoing is kinda fun but with 4 people its faar better

[safe cradle]

yeah, stamina got added in OG R6

[soft crater]

Minmax but yeah

[dim warren]

with that you can run longer, kinda at least?

[ocean spindle]

the crouching thing is like mostly just to do something while runnin

not rlly out of actually saving a lot of stam

u can run for longer but doesn't rlly matter

it's too little ksks

[soft crater]

It's more to preserve speed rather than run longer imo

Otherwise just wait 5 seconds

[silent delta]

i think it saves enough stamina to be noticeable

i certainly feel like i can run longer

[wooden karma]

for r4d2 what are some tips for getting through the level faster? my team just failed after picking up the cargo at the end of the level, heading for extract
we did overload clear to cargo -> secondary -> main -> overload cargo grab

[silent delta]

• if you're not already, make sure your bio isn't the one carrying cargo and that they are giving callouts
• foam doors behind you if you can

[silent delta]

that is arguably the hardest part of the level, you have to get enough ground that the shadows are spawncapped behind you and dont spawn in front

[wooden karma]

yeah im bio why would i carry cargo

lol

[civic wave]

to go faster, it's mainly knowing term locations, clearing rooms fast with melee, and that stuff

infection will be unavoidable

[wooden karma]

think our doors busted during the earliest scans in that bulkhead hub room and in general during the big clusters

[silent delta]

yeah by the time you go back to get cargo you kind of just have to play at 15

[wooden karma]

turbine or nah?

[silent delta]

if you ahve some health packs, you can heal through the infection just so you can tank more than two shadow licks

[silent delta]

ehh, its up to you really

[wooden karma]

we got cell to get turbine for the last set of clusters

[silent delta]

makes you go waaay slower but its safer, and possibly easier for newer players

i usually avoid it

takes too long

[wooden karma]

midway through cargo we dumped turbine because we kinda needed an extra gun

[silent delta]

but im pretty good at the game

[silent delta]

yeah you just gotta remember that shadows are slow

once you get far enough ahead of them its basically over

[wooden karma]

something wrong with how we were playing in general i think we took forever to get to the last stage

[silent delta]

save some fog repellers to toss on extract so you can see

[wooden karma]

fog was at ceiling

[silent delta]

oh yeah thats no good

[wooden karma]

finna watch the replay recording

[silent delta]

for most of my runs, the fog isnt at standing level when we kill the tank

but we dont get turbine

what guns do yall have?

[wooden karma]

think the team loadout was:
bio/hel revo/scattergun
foam/dmr/veruta MG
mine/pdw/choke
burst/hel auto/short rifle (lol)

[digital mural]

short rifle

based

[wooden karma]

i carried scatter because i knew on a previous run there were lots of hybrid

[silent delta]

well theres your first problem

short rifle is an excellent meme and a less excellent firearm

[digital mural]

you can change choke for combat or normal shotgun

[silent delta]

also

[digital mural]

they are way better than choke

[silent delta]

for a level so heavy with chargers

hel rifle is quite good

but thats the case for more levels

[silent delta]

i think choke is fine

[digital mural]

yeah but you get more value with combat or normal

[silent delta]

you definitely get more uptime

[wooden karma]

choke guy doesnt like normal pump

[silent delta]

he should try combat shotty

also if you're having trouble, i would say strike the scatter and the short rifle

scattergun has better options for this level imo, and short rifle is dogshit the best gun in the game

[modest monolith]

ey yo...

sadge

[silent delta]

hey it can do some things against smalls

[digital mural]

short rifle with macro

best DPS

[silent delta]

but when 80% of the level is chargers and shadows?

[digital mural]

:)

[silent delta]

so real

[silent delta]

is it actually?

id believe it but i havent done the math

[modest monolith]

short rifle + macro = god tier machine gun

[digital mural]

no

LOL

[wooden karma]

yeah i'll replace scatter i think

[modest monolith]

does the short rifle reload faster than other machine guns ?

[wooden karma]

for proably just reg pump

[digital mural]

maybe consider replace short rifle

[silent delta]

short rifle has the fastest reload of all special weapons iirc

sadly thats about the only thing it has going for it lmao

[digital mural]

and it still dogshit

[silent delta]

not a bad call

i would also say try hel rifle if you really need some help, its kinda broken lmao

[wooden karma]

nah i'll leave the skill issue rifle on the shelf

[digital mural]

bring hel gun

[wooden karma]

if guy dont replace short rifle maybe i will bring it

[silent delta]

lmao fair enough

i feel like im not good enough at the game to use hel gun

[digital mural]

Just point and shoot

?

[silent delta]

it can one shot smalls on headshot so i feel like i have to go for those

but between the chargeup and the recoil and a modicum of skill sisue i can't hit the damn heads

[modest monolith]

hel gun does not always need to kill. You can dish out small to medium damage to incoming sleepers and your team can help you clear them out

[silent delta]

if i can trust my team to do that

[modest monolith]

oh come on

have some faith

[silent delta]

lmao

i usually do

i mostly play wtih friends

but occasionally when i drop into an r2e1 lobby and i see three machineguns

[modest monolith]

say no more

[wooden karma]

drop into e level

see bass

[modest monolith]

3 machine guns aren't that bad. But pubs do manage to give me a hell ride into that level

[silent delta]

veruta is lowkey pretty solid

it does owrk

but if i see three of them in r2e1 that tells me something about the general experience level of my party

[modest monolith]

ic

wait

is veruta the slower one ?

[silent delta]

nah

thats arbalist

[modest monolith]

oh ok

[silent delta]

poor arby :(

[past mesa]

……..

[silent delta]

i said what i said

[digital mural]

the etilists will kill you now

say goodbye

[silent delta]

i will hold them off with my budda budda budda budda budda budda

[past mesa]

I will eat your buds

[wooden karma]

i WILL blind myself and entire team with veruta to kill 1 shooter

[civic furnace]

When the pub 🗣️

[finite oracle]

will the hel revolver 1 shot strikers in head if i take any main dmg booster?

[twin terrace]

yes

[civic wave]

It has to be a pretty high %, but yes

Gun does not need it at all

Nor does this server need another gon arch i feel

[finite oracle]

how high?

[civic wave]

Uh idk I don't have a calculator right now

[finite oracle]

ok

[twin terrace]

12%

[finite oracle]

ok ty

[civic wave]

Shouldn't be too hard to work out, need to know the damage + prec multi of hel revo, the crit multiplier of a striker, and the hp of a striker

[civic furnace]

Aim for the head, give head, be happy :3

[grizzled patrol]

[native sun]

13% or higher (it needs 12.27%)

[finite oracle]

ok

[soft crater]

19.95 moment

[soft crater]

I'm assuming the dmg rounds up or my math is wrong somewhere

I keep getting 19.99~ with 12.27

[native sun]

I did 4 sig. fig.s instead of listing the exact number

[soft crater]

I see

[fallen shard]

How does the difficulty from A-E work?
sorry if this is the wrong chat.

[soft crater]

Depends on the rundown

A B-tier in R1 would easier than A b-tier in R5 likewise

But some rundowns are easier than others. I don't have the exact listing on me atm

[fallen shard]

Ok, is there a way I can only search for specific rundowns?

[soft crater]

Matchmaking?

No

[fallen shard]

Dang, ok.

[soft crater]

But there is

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[fallen shard]

Okok, thank you.

[icy cave]

A is easy. E is hard

[fallen shard]

Thank you. 🙏

[icy cave]

No problem. Just don't join E lobbies as a new player

[fallen shard]

Understood

[arctic marten]

what is the capital of honduras

[digital mural]

<@&408548765599793173>

mods

send that guy to the ball deep frying chamber

[arctic marten]

dam they got real people doin this now

how much they pay you

type "help" if you are being held by the chinese mafia

[tiny wyvern]

<@&408548765599793173> Um
I don't believe this type of advertising is allowed?

[hardy grotto]

Can you help me clear r4b3

I’m kinda stuck

[arctic marten]

i second this, id like a hand with R1D2: Pickle

[hardy grotto]

your ass definitely couldn’t open the pickle jar

[arctic marten]

yea thats why im asking for help idiot

[hardy grotto]

Imagine not being able to

[arctic marten]

i dont have to