gtfo-related-questions

[keen seal]

me when I hit the crouching shadow giant with my hammer and it teleports to the next room over to down my teammate without me noticing anything

[silent delta]

which makes it somewhat difficult to gauge their speed

[silent delta]

word of advice? if you're struggling with meleeing shadow giants, have your biotracker ping it after the first swing

[low radish]

Imteresting

[silent delta]

shouldve named em bbc and bbs

[low radish]

"crouching shadow giants"?

[upper ginkgo]

i don't wanna have to explain what bbs means

[silent delta]

yeah?

big black shadow

[low radish]

There's nothing scarier than a big Black charger

[low radish]

Oh so it's just a shadow giant

[silent delta]

uhh

yeah

[low radish]

I thought it meant something else

[silent delta]

but they can spawn crouching

which makes em act like hybrids

more or less

[low radish]

Wait they can? I never saw that

[devout whale]

alone->shadow group->charger

[low radish]

(I haven't seen a shadow giant in a long time either)

[silent delta]

technically they can spawn in (i think) four different sleeping positions

and depending on the sleeping position, they have 3 different ais

😀

[low radish]

Does that count for regular giants too?

[silent delta]

no

actually each shadow giant ai behaves like one of the normal giant ais

striker giants, chickens, or hybrids

[low radish]

Why is this game like this, I feel like I'll never learn enough about it at this point 😭

[prime musk]

well it does but giants only have 1 spawning position

[silent delta]

you'll get the hang of oit

really it doesn't matter all that much

between the striker giant and chicken, i mean

just worry about crouched vs not crouched

[low radish]

I have only 300hrs I'm scared of what I'll realize later on

[silent delta]

the difference between those is much more severe

[devout whale]

you'll learn to fear that one low red triangle zooming at you with heavy footsteps

[prime musk]

don't worry im 500 hours in and still know nothing

maybe at 1000

[low radish]

So shadow giants can act like chickens, hybrids or striker gisnts

[devout whale]

hidden in a sea of other low red triangle plebs

[silent delta]

i have 750 hours and i learned like two weeks ago that consumable tripmines do less damage than mine deployer mines

[silent delta]

pretty much

[low radish]

But they don't shoot though, how does the hybrid and chicken version do then?

[fallen kite]

the hybrid one just...

[silent delta]

the chicken and biter giant ais are fairly similar, and you're probably gonna be shooting or meleeing the shadow giants anyway

[low radish]

... Oh my

[fallen kite]

✊

👊

[silent delta]

so true

[low radish]

Fist you

[fallen kite]

💥

[silent delta]

fuck hybrid types

[fallen kite]

-80

( you didnt even see it )

[silent delta]

they fall over and pretend to die and then pop back up and clip through the wall to beat your ass

lowkey i often dont even bother trying to stealth melee them

not worth the risk

too janky

[keen seal]

when the lick hits you before you even realized it

[low radish]

WAIT so that's why I always get hit for 80% from regular giants too like at least twice a day

[fallen kite]

thats bc you got punched twice

[low radish]

Even if I stagger them, then don't care

[keen seal]

-40% per punch

[devout whale]

what did you expect, they are free

[low radish]

Yes I know, but they turbo attack me

For no reason

[fallen kite]

well if they dont care then you didnt stagger them

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[silent delta]

the biter giant-types behave pretty much like biter giants, though shadow giants walk slightly faster
the chicken-types keep their distance and try to lick you from afar, and only punch you if you get close to them
the hybrid types idfk, they do whatever the hell the want
they're faster than the other two, are crouched over so they're harder to hit, and have a propensity to fake dying and then pop up and smack you in the face

[low radish]

I literally use the bat 😭

[devout whale]

it's their skeleton that acts like those enemies. and hybrids (the crouching skeleton) are kinda fast

[low radish]

And they just don't care

[hardy grotto]

hybrid types are fine because at least their tongue is super slow

[silent delta]

idfk

[hardy grotto]

chicken ones just insta tongue iirc

[silent delta]

i learned "mine does 50 damage"

i found a mine

why would i assume otherwise

[ashen frigate]

OG R2E1 Big Shadows ; Nowadays BBCs

[fallen kite]

i remember them being quick

yeah

[past mesa]

Tru went over this

[ashen frigate]

I miss the good old running Big Shadows

[silent delta]

i never noticed that

but i wasnt paying much attention

[ashen frigate]

They scared the hell out of me back then

[past mesa]

They actually dont toung faster

[silent delta]

shadow bbc when

[fallen kite]

nah the giants do a whole pose when they lick

[past mesa]

It is funny animation things Beth

[fallen kite]

and the chickens dont

[hardy grotto]

jish

[past mesa]

It is a broken enemy

[low radish]

I... Never would realize this. Ever

[hardy grotto]

that's about cooldown

[silent delta]

i mean they have a windup animation too

[hardy grotto]

not tongue speed right?

[past mesa]

Yeah

[silent delta]

but its shorter than the biter-types

[hardy grotto]

thats the time between tongues

[silent delta]

now that i'd believe

[hardy grotto]

isnt that what he meant

[low radish]

Wait in-between those types, they have different poses depending on which one it's going to be?

[past mesa]

Probs

I can’t read

[silent delta]

you would eventually

[hardy grotto]

i think the tongue speed thing is real

[silent delta]

its much easier to notice with a thermal weapon

[hardy grotto]

it has to be c

[past mesa]

It feels real

[low radish]

I never use those

[silent delta]

try bringing a pdw some time, just to take a peek

[low radish]

Sure

[silent delta]

yeah sadly they're both kinda mid lmao

but you can get a nice good look at the enemies

[low radish]

I agree

It's helpful with shadows

Wait can I ask something

[silent delta]

it is #gtfo-related-questions

[fallen kite]

it is real

[low radish]

In the game regular strikers gave different running poses, is that only a cosmetic or does it change something?

[hardy grotto]

its def real

[hardy grotto]

cosmetic

[silent delta]

crawlers are shorter and harder to hit

it may just be me but i do feel like crawlers lick slightly faster?

[low radish]

I see

[silent delta]

feel free to correct me

[hardy grotto]

theres one i think

that has a slower tongue actually

[silent delta]

maybe thats why

[low radish]

That's definitely one of them

[silent delta]

just bring dtr 🙃

[low radish]

Wait what do I wanted to ask I keep forgetting

[silent delta]

was it not the striker pose question

[low radish]

Aaaa

[fallen kite]

gameplay wise it makes penetrating enemies perfectly a little harder

[hardy grotto]

@past mesa

[low radish]

Something else

[fallen kite]

and forces u to aim for crawlers and stuff like that

just adds a little bit of variety to the strikers

[low radish]

I don't use hel weapons

So it doesn't really matter for me

At least

[upper ginkgo]

real

[fallen kite]

are you anti-pen

[low radish]

Yes

[fallen kite]

what do you run usually

[prime musk]

the lick animation is faster im quite sure

[silent delta]

it feels like the crawlers have a shorter windup

[low radish]

I don't mind people using it, but personally I prefer "normal shooting"

[prime musk]

they just lick istead of bending forwards and then licking

[silent delta]

though according to gerz some of them are just slower so maybe im noticing that in the wrong direction

[low radish]

You are going to judge me now because I don't use hel, right

[hardy grotto]

its about stance

[fallen kite]

no

[silent delta]

i mean the hel weapons are kinda broken'

[fallen kite]

there are many perfectly valid non pen weapons

[silent delta]

if you dont wanna use em cuz you wanna challenge yourself respect

[fallen kite]

sawed off, dmr, dtr if ur good, burst rifle and carbine

[upper ginkgo]

when the crawling striker insta-licks me around a corner as client

[silent delta]

man i hate the burst rifle lmao

[fallen kite]

should've played better and anticipated the lick obviously

[silent delta]

it feels like a stat swapped ar that doesnt do anything

[upper ginkgo]

TRUE

[hardy grotto]

vox theres like 3 stances for strikers right

[low radish]

I use Shelling S49 and either shelling arid or mastaba. I sometimes change it a bit to shotguns

[hardy grotto]

crawling and then the 2 standing ones

[low radish]

I love pistols and shotguns

[hardy grotto]

with the one slower standing one

[fallen kite]

please use the normal names

like pistol

and

revolver

[silent delta]

based high cal user

[low radish]

Pistol, high caliber, revolver

[devout whale]

i felt the -12 just reading that 😦

[fallen kite]

valid

[upper ginkgo]

idk I don't pay attention

[fallen kite]

revolvers hard

[hardy grotto]

thanks vox

[prime musk]

me when i bring high caliber and the charger is .01 meters outside of falloff so it doesn't die

[low radish]

My go to weapons always

[silent delta]

revolver stinky

[low radish]

YES

[silent delta]

violence

[upper ginkgo]

all aim no brain

[keen seal]

click enemy gaming

[silent delta]

i bring hel shotty/combat shotty so i dont have to aim ever

[low radish]

Why

[silent delta]

the enemies just dont get to play the video game

[prime musk]

charger lick range is outside of high cal falloff so i just don't like high cal for chargers

[silent delta]

id probably like it more if i could hit headshots worth a damn, but it just feels outclassed
it feels like it demands much more out of the player to do the same things another gun could do for way less effort

[silent delta]

that explains so much

fuck me

[low radish]

I am used to close combat so I don't have to deal with the falloff usually, but sometimes it happens

[hardy grotto]

the revolver user gets the girl

[low radish]

And I hate it, the falloff aa

[silent delta]

high cal is basically a shotgun tbh

[fallen kite]

yeah, hel gun lol

just does revolver stuff but better

[silent delta]

hel gun, high cal, hel rifle to a degree

[low radish]

I am good at headshots, and I like to train my aim this way too

[silent delta]

lmao same ive been running dmr 90% of the time

[low radish]

I either hit perfect headshots or hip fire and kill a teammate, no in-between

[prime musk]

indeed it does
this is why you take hel rifle instead because why take high cal when hel rifle exists

[fallen kite]

my aim is grossly bad so I run hel gun and hold good funnels to pretend like i have good aim

[silent delta]

honestly i think high cal and hel rifle are pretty ok balanced with each other

[fallen kite]

and let pen carry my defense

[devout whale]

you can quite literally do both at the same time

[silent delta]

i still think hel rifle is better but i think high cal is of comparable goodness

[past mesa]

I play scattergun and pretend I have good aim

[prime musk]

it has the advantage of no chargeup and reload and 1 more in mag

[low radish]

Oh, I also like to hip fire a lot sometimes since close combat

[hardy grotto]

average ball player

[prime musk]

what else

[silent delta]

you get one extra shot in the clip, quicker reload, quicker firing speed, and no chargeup
in exchange for dramatically reduced range and no pierce
hel rifle is still better obvi but i dont think high cal needs a buff

[prime musk]

the reload is 0.5 better if you perfectly cancel both high cal and hel rifle

[silent delta]

the extra shot in mag and faster reload are quite nice, you get way more uptime

[prime musk]

it's not much

[low radish]

I like how it oneshots strikers and shooters to the body

[silent delta]

precisely

[fallen kite]

well, the extra uptime doesnt matter if you can only kill 6 enemies with one high cal mag

[prime musk]

if i want to bring high cal i usually end up asking myself why not take s870 instead

[silent delta]

true

[fallen kite]

and like 15 with a hel rifle

[past mesa]

I tripled booped the Ana does that mean I have good aim

[silent delta]

but the enemies don't always line up

[hardy grotto]

yes

[low radish]

You know what needs a buff? The burst pistol, and I am a person who used to play that weapon for at least 120hours

[silent delta]

THANK YOU

[past mesa]

I had a 30 min clash game in qp the other day

[silent delta]

burst pistol is the best melee weapon in the game

[past mesa]

I had 60 kills on ball

[hardy grotto]

i havent seen anything abt clash yet

is it good?

[past mesa]

No lol

[low radish]

I love this comment

[hardy grotto]

sick

[past mesa]

it is cool

[upper ginkgo]

are you consistent with the two burst kill

[low radish]

Yes

[silent delta]

if you ask me, burst pistol is the worst main weapon

[past mesa]

The enemy rein had 80 kills

[upper ginkgo]

pog

[silent delta]

its worse than ar if you ask me

[past mesa]

My support had 26 deaths

I had 4

[low radish]

I mean I have no problems with the weird recoil

[hardy grotto]

lmfao

insane

[low radish]

At this point I am used to it

[upper ginkgo]

current goal is getting gud with burst pistol

[silent delta]

but whyyy

for the meme?

[low radish]

Goodluck

[past mesa]

The rein resorted to solo shattering me

[upper ginkgo]

cause hel revo is braindead

dtr is braindead

[silent delta]

voxy theres a middle ground

[upper ginkgo]

which is

[past mesa]

Nerf your own guns

Then play the game

Clip your wings

[silent delta]

man idk, most of the full auto weapons>

[low radish]

I have so many good memories with shelling nano. I miss it

[silent delta]

pistol, drekken rifle

[silent delta]

run hel revo but if you get a pierce shot your game restarts

[keen seal]

lmao

[low radish]

Run high caliber but if you don't kill a charger because of the 0.1 falloff, a surge error alarm starts

[silent delta]

hel rifle but if you dont get 6 pierce in a shot it deletes system32

[low radish]

Heavy assault rifle but if you miss one shot you get disowned

[prime musk]

same thing but with any burst weapon

[low radish]

Shelling nano

[silent delta]

autopistol but if you miss a shot it sets your gpu on fire

[low radish]

They really need to buff it, I like that gun but it's so bad

[silent delta]

its been trash since they added it

[low radish]

Scattergun but if you miss one pellet your house burns down

[silent delta]

honestly all hte r8 stuff was garbo

balances kinda stunk, all 3 weapons were trash

[low radish]

Hel one?

[silent delta]

sniper you poor thing 😔

[low radish]

Or the other one

[upper ginkgo]

nah they're more usable than ar

[silent delta]

you didn't deserve it

[silent delta]

slug shotty is

[upper ginkgo]

short rifle is an insane main

[silent delta]

i know objectivley its better

but i hate it so much

why is the shot delay so LONG

[low radish]

But that's why I love it

[upper ginkgo]

just quick swap lol

[silent delta]

also ar > burst pistol fight me

[low radish]

I love slug

[upper ginkgo]

wake up babe, Hani dropped advanced mechanics guide

[past mesa]

Should I drop the baby easy mechanics guide

[low radish]

Ar? I forgot which one

That was

[upper ginkgo]

equip scatter and sawed off

win game

[low radish]

Reminds me how in my early days I would run shelling nano and chokemod

[silent delta]

assault rifle

[low radish]

Or slug and scatter

[silent delta]

bog standard main

[low radish]

Oh that one

[silent delta]

jack of all trades, master of none

far worse than any other gun

except burst pistol

[low radish]

I never used i-

[silent delta]

who needs range anyway

[low radish]

;-;

My beloved is really bad huh

[low radish]

personally I love close combat

[keen seal]

#gtfo-media message crouching shadow giant

[low radish]

Which is why I mostly use pistols and shotguns

[upper ginkgo]

the entire game is ccq

[prime musk]

range matters against shooters and against reactors

that's it

[low radish]

I just use my pistol for them usually

[silent delta]

little fuckin shit

[civic wave]

even on reactors range is sorta overplayed

[upper ginkgo]

and if it isn't, you use your two little legs to make it a ccq situation

[civic wave]

see r4e1, r1c1 solo, etc etc etc

[silent delta]

yeah i know i was kidding lmao

sawed off scatter was one of my favored loadouts for r4e1

also thakn you tuho

[low radish]

R4E1 reactor is uh-
Memory of waking up the mothers

[prime musk]

it has 2 advantages which is that killing faster = finish wave faster and killing hybrids before they get to do anything

otherwise it doesn't matter agreed

[silent delta]

u should put a standing shadow giant too for comparison

[silent delta]

bring all shotguns and one sniper

ez

[prime musk]

better bring like 3 snipers because uptime

[silent delta]

TRUE

everyone brings sawed off sniper

[low radish]

Guys is the sniper bad for shooting down hybrids in reactors or giants from far away

[prime musk]

(1 if enough if you don't miss but yeah)

[low radish]

Is it even good

[silent delta]

no

[prime musk]

this is the only thing it does

[silent delta]

this is the only situation its remotely good in

[civic wave]

i like playing hel revo shotgun on that mission

or pdw hel gun

if i'm tryharding i can take burst cannon or scatter i guess

[silent delta]

pump shotty?

[low radish]

I once did a Hip fire with it and I killed everyone

[civic wave]

ya

[upper ginkgo]

meta gun

[low radish]

It was amazing

[civic wave]

it's reasonable boss kill that isn't overpowered as shit

[silent delta]

pump shotty brings me joy

[civic wave]

plus it's a nice gun for holding reactor

[silent delta]

rngesus blessed you

that hipfire radius is comical

[low radish]

By everyone I mean my teammates

[silent delta]

oh

[low radish]

Both of them

[silent delta]

yeah that makes more sense

[upper ginkgo]

I wish pump shotty was a slug

[civic wave]

maybe if i do duo i take autopistol burst cannon

[low radish]

I love hip firing, and I agree here

It's so wide

[prime musk]

i will duo r4e1 with you trust (i have never played the mission)

[silent delta]

they nerfed it with r8 lmao

[civic wave]

actually who am i kidding

[silent delta]

they made it even wider than it wa sbefore

[civic wave]

why would i take autopistol the only thing I'd need for code 6 is a long range flashlight

you either choose a long range flashlight, or pdw

[silent delta]

they should add a mechanic so if you turn on the while enemies are charging at you they get blinded and like stagger

[low radish]

Can I join

[low radish]

...they are blind

[prime musk]

(this defeats the purpose of duo)

[silent delta]

they react to light anyway

you know that

[prime musk]

but also i have 0 expectations goat will take up my offer

[low radish]

I can be emotional support still

[silent delta]

idk about duo but ill run r4e1 with you

[civic wave]

i mean

[silent delta]

i still need completion

[upper ginkgo]

nah goat is desperate

[civic wave]

i've done duo attempts with 2 people before for the fun of it

[low radish]

I could try and duo with you if you want to ever try it
but I don't think I could do an E duo

I like duos

[low radish]

Begging on their knees

[civic wave]

when you say this, are you talking about playing duo, or playing 2 + 2 bots?

[prime musk]

arrogance diff i totally think i can do it

[low radish]

Duo, two people

[upper ginkgo]

not being arrogant made me hardstuck in og r4

you need to ego yourself

[hardy grotto]

being arrogant made u the most unlikable person in the discord too

bozo

[low radish]

But I sometimes use bots too because my best friend wants to play with them

[prime musk]

im hardstuck in r4 because the people i mostly play with (friends) have far less time than i to play

[upper ginkgo]

yeah but I beat gtfo

[civic wave]

your arrogance today is entertainment for yourself next year :)

[low radish]

I'm stuck in R5D1 because I am afraid to go there, what I heard is horrifying

[prime musk]

ended up duoing ahead of 4p group with one member but c2 duo is kinda rough because surge alarm in that rooms is awful

[low radish]

Which room

[hardy grotto]

pabulum

[prime musk]

after first surge alarm in secondary

that room

where you have to do 3 surge alarms for pe

we died duoing

[low radish]

I didn't set my foot there yet

[upper ginkgo]

tragic

[prime musk]

tbf it was a blind attempt but the main just sucks so we never bothered running it back with proper weapon choice for the surges

[low radish]

I was only in R4C3

[upper ginkgo]

roll for double surge

[low radish]

Are those surge alarms there bad

Because people told me they're easy

Which is weird

[soft crater]

[prime musk]

if we end up going back to it i will try to convice to do this

[low radish]

One is like a class 4 I think right, and the rest are class 3

[soft crater]

Some surges are easy if you know the strat.

[silent delta]

i mean they're as bad as any surge alarm is

lots of enemies fairly constnatly

you know the drill

[low radish]

I don't know the start

[upper ginkgo]

raw dogging surges is pretty hard

burst sentry carries

[prime musk]

like all alarms surge alarms are entirely dependent on room layout and scan rng

[silent delta]

that fuckin r4e1 s surge

:((((((((((((((((

[low radish]

Yeah, which is why I said that it's weird people told me that it's easy

[low radish]

Which one, I think there are two at least

[soft crater]

It's not that bad imo.

[keen seal]

#gtfo-media message am I spreading misinfo

[silent delta]

its bad if your team doesnt know what they're doing

i can only ping one direction at a time and if your team apparently cant detect unpinged enemies

[low radish]

Like with any surge

[civic wave]

That ones fine, worse if you get split spawns though

[silent delta]

if all the enemies come one side its chill

[low radish]

Oh you mean that S surge

[silent delta]

if they dont its less chill

[low radish]

They usually scatter, even if we get to one side

[civic wave]

If you mine all doors you easily get 40% on scan before anything gets in attack range

[soft crater]

Typically that would come down to voicing enemies are coming from behind

[prime musk]

me when there's 4 players who can all have over 90 degree fov and still can't see 360 degrees taken together

[silent delta]

sorry tuho thats misinfo

it goes chicken, hybrid, chicken

the biter types stand like normal biters, straight up with their hands clasped in front of their chest

at least im pretty sure, someone correct me if im wrong

[civic wave]

People have bad awareness and suck at videogames

[keen seal]

oh yeah that was a chicken

oops

[silent delta]

the one on the far left is stnading like a little shooter

[prime musk]

and also go "enemy somewhere else must shoot" 0 faith in teammate

[keen seal]

oh true

[low radish]

I have small FoV and I can feel when something's coming from like behind me

My awareness is weird

[civic wave]

R4E1 lobby where me and voxy make up 74% of the teams total damage
Next run after that was 71% of the teams total damage

[silent delta]

and then a hybrid anxdx then a chicken

[prime musk]

im guessing rest of lobby made up 74% of the ammo use too

[upper ginkgo]

I'm efficient with my ammo :(

[civic wave]

I'm moderately efficient

[low radish]

I like to shoot enemies that get closer, and let others with long ranged weapons take care of the ones that are further ( my weapons are close combat usually)

[past mesa]

Beth isn’t

[soft crater]

74% Ammo not wasted

[silent delta]

i smell cope

[past mesa]

She fucking is an ammo hog

[upper ginkgo]

yeah she sprays hel gun like it's mg

[low radish]

Eats ammo for dinner

Nom nom

[civic wave]

OK but if I played the same loadout I'll hog the same amount of ammo and kill less enemies

[hardy grotto]

I consume ammo and kill a lot

[past mesa]

The 17 use lasts me a while but one alarm

[hardy grotto]

Anyone remember the 70 30 rule

[soft crater]

Iirc watching the stream beth consistently fires helgun at top speed too.

[past mesa]

It’s all gone on Beth

[hardy grotto]

Or was it 80 20

[silent delta]

ammo void

goes in, never comes back out

[civic wave]

It was 80 20 rule

[low radish]

What is it about

[civic wave]

I thought that referred to health at first

[prime musk]

80 of the ammo gets 20% of the kills and vice versa

[low radish]

Machine hel gun

[hardy grotto]

In duo I must kill 80% of wave

I’m the 80% player

[low radish]

What

[soft crater]

That was what pre-nerf helgun was like.

[hardy grotto]

You had to be there

[low radish]

I see

[upper ginkgo]

I was in scan...

[low radish]

...damn

[civic wave]

In duo one player gets 80% of the kills and the other player only gets 20%

[prime musk]

80 20 rule is just a general distribution that appears in lots of unexpected statistics

[upper ginkgo]

is this true

[prime musk]

yes

[fallen kite]

its beautiful

[past mesa]

Expect it isn’t really consistent

[civic wave]

I think it came from clique over the course of some og r4e1 but I honestly can't recall

[low radish]

That explains why my best friend is usually so useless
(I'm joking I love him)

[upper ginkgo]

gotta read the Wikipedia page

[past mesa]

Actually turns out things are mostly normally distributed not 20/80

[upper ginkgo]

someone is lying to me

[low radish]

Do the numbers change for trios or 4-man's

[past mesa]

Yes it is me

[upper ginkgo]

who do I trust

[low radish]

Me

[prime musk]

when i say general distribution i mean that it is a way for data to be that isn't special to some one dataset

[civic wave]

Dunno, probably not

[low radish]

I see

[prime musk]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle i mean

[upper ginkgo]

thanksies

[fallen kite]

the reality is that you dont need 3-4 people shooting at the wave to kill it 99% of the time lol

[soft crater]

R4E1 Solo holding reactor

[fallen kite]

so if you find your friend to be quite trigger happy

just

stop shooting

wow wave still dies

[low radish]

I usually only kill when they get close, I have close range weapons (well mid too, but others can shoot)

[fallen kite]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[low radish]

Which is why I might do less damage than others

[minor fractal]

You see it in the speedrun meta, as well.

Three players stack weapons that deal with specific threats/boss kill

one person clears waves.

[fallen kite]

and that's possible bc there's certain guns

hel weapons

that let you clear entire waves solo

[silent delta]

hey goat which one is the slav

[fallen kite]

and that's fine

[hardy grotto]

i'd still clear those waves solo with high cal

[fallen kite]

would be much harder though

and would take a lot longer

[minor fractal]

A contributing factor is also that the best boss kill in the game is very good at being pushed into wave clear, especially as supporting wave clear.

[hardy grotto]

i'd still do it

[fallen kite]

scattergun being scattergun

[low radish]

Yeah, I mean why shoot when I can conserve ammo, just because I do less damage doesn't mean I'm entirely useless

[keen seal]

isn't it obvious

[fallen kite]

bc if you dont have the most on damage on your team you're useless pub who didn't do anything the entire run

[minor fractal]

Two BCs or Scatters backing up the HEL Rifle player answers everything easily.

and then you can just put HEL Shotgun in any loadout, and you have striker clear covered.

[fallen kite]

carrying objective items through fog while ur team defended you? should've dropped it to help your team shoot the enemies they were already killing

[low radish]

Ah yes, protecting my team from getting licked while they clear, I am soooo usless

Or helping with scans

[low radish]

Exactly

I am the most usless teammate ever lol

[hardy grotto]

if u have exceptionally low dmg tho like

idk...

[fallen kite]

well yeah

[low radish]

Not really

[fallen kite]

yes really

[silent delta]

idk

[fallen kite]

if ur damage is exceptionally low

that means you did literally nothing

no stealth no wave clear

[silent delta]

if you're good at staggering so your team doesnt take damage thats something

[low radish]

I wouldn't say it's low, but it's not high that I can boast about it

[fallen kite]

if you stealth you still get a big chunk of dmg

[silent delta]

but you still do some damage

[low radish]

I do that a lot

[fallen kite]

the only time this is a valid point is if you're running like

hel autopistol

with any other gun you should probably kill the enemy you've staggered anyway

[low radish]

I use the bat so I both stagger and do damage

[fallen kite]

unless there's something on you

[low radish]

Some support is always nice

[silent delta]

hel shotty to a degree id say

but mostly that yeah

[fallen kite]

yh this is fair if you're staggering from a medium distance

but up close

[silent delta]

i mean

[fallen kite]

you should be killing

[silent delta]

i remember i ran r5b1 secondary once

and we had 3 hel rifles

and i was like "wow i really dont have all that much to do they kind of just kill everything

[low radish]

Poor sleepaz

[silent delta]

so i just sat there with my hel shotty taking potshots at anything that was about to lick and prevented damage

worked quite well

but you (probably) usually wont have 3 hel rifles

[low radish]

That's what I usually do with my weapons in a scan

[fallen kite]

3 hel rifles is funny

[prime musk]

did you do overload as well? im guessing that's why you took the hel rifles

[silent delta]

oh it was quite funny

[low radish]

While others clear the wave

[silent delta]

we definitely wasted a lot of ammo lmao

half a dozen hel rifle shots but the wave is already dead from the other two hel rifles

[fallen kite]

yeah that's what happens when all three of them shoot at the same fucking thing at the same time

[silent delta]

oh wait

sorry

r4b1*

my bad

[low radish]

What in the gods name is overload on R5B1 that you need THREE hel rifles

[fallen kite]

looking for the samae line up

[fallen kite]

chargers

[silent delta]

i meant r4b1

[prime musk]

play it to find out

[silent delta]

but yeah r5b1 overload is uh

theres a lot

of stuff

[fallen kite]

👍

[low radish]

Oh R4B1 mb

[silent delta]

i wouldnt say no to 3 hel rifles on that level tbh

[prime musk]

oh that makes more sense

[fallen kite]

i wouldn't say no on any level

[silent delta]

sorry

am a goober

[low radish]

Wait what was R4B1

[fallen kite]

uh

cells

[silent delta]

main is cell distribution through fog, secondary is a reactor

[low radish]

I forgot that expedition entirely

[fallen kite]

reactor

[prime musk]

well it makes sense on r5b1 secondary too

[silent delta]

lab tiles

[prime musk]

because chargers are there as well

[silent delta]

lots of sleeping giants

[low radish]

Oh, that stuff

I remember now

[silent delta]

theres a sleeping mom at the end of the reactor

[fallen kite]

foggy

[silent delta]

hel rifle is fair and balanced

[low radish]

Guys is it possible to duo R1C1 with no bots

[prime musk]

yes

every level can be duod no bots

(and no exploit im quite sure)

[silent delta]

there are a couple youtubers who have soloed almost the entire game

with a couple of exploits here and there lmao

r1c1 is very doable tho

[low radish]

We want to try it on my birthday since that's the expedition I met my best friend in. As like a celebration

[silent delta]

awww

thats sweet

[low radish]

Nice

[prime musk]

it's not super difficult

[low radish]

Yeah :3 so I wonder what do we take for that

[silent delta]

i mean

hel rifle

bottom text

[low radish]

I'm the best with pistols and revolvers tho

[silent delta]

burst cannon is also good

[silent delta]

high cal does decent work

[low radish]

He will take that definitely, he's a hel rifle enjoyer

[silent delta]

based

[low radish]

Great, I prefer the revolver though but can do

[low radish]

He also loves precision rifle

[silent delta]

hey if you can make it work

its much worse against giants but beter against smalls fi you hit headshots

[low radish]

I can aim at heads no problem

[halcyon current]

I'm ngl I enjoy the precision rifle from time to time

[prime musk]

i think when friend and i cleared it we had
sawed off hel rifle + hel revo shotgun with sniper sentry and hel auto sentry
the latter should probably be a burst sentry tbh

[low radish]

I see, thanks!

[silent delta]

was this before they nerfed sniper sentry?

[prime musk]

nop

[low radish]

We will do our best to clear it

[silent delta]

without bio, huh?

hey, if it worked

[low radish]

Who needs bio

[prime musk]

sniper sentry is fine even after nerf and no bio

[low radish]

I have eyes

[silent delta]

sniper sentry takes like 3.5 seconds to take its first shot against unpinged enemies

[prime musk]

it still takes care of hybrids and giants fine in r2d2 solo attempts for me

i do have to be on point for smalls but it works

[low radish]

Two bursts then

[silent delta]

burst is always good

but if it worked for zed i see no reason why it cant work for you

[low radish]

Yeah, we will try, thank you guys for the advice

[prime musk]

running 2 burst just seems like overkill when sawed off and hel rifle obliterates smalls anyways

[low radish]

We could even stream it perhaps

[prime musk]

and then a second person has stuff to kill smalls with too

[low radish]

We will take our weapons, but Todes would love to take hel rifle

[prime musk]

take whatever you feel comfortable using tbh

[low radish]

Pistols and revolvers are the best for me

[prime musk]

if you just don't miss i think you can duo it with any weapons actually

[low radish]

Or shotguns

But I usually stick to pistol and revolver or high caliber

[low radish]

We will try

[prime musk]

take hel revo + mastaba if you really want to run double revolvers

and learn reload cancelling if you haven't

[low radish]

I am a hel weapon denier

I prefer Shelling S49 (pistol) for main

[low radish]

Already did

[ocean spindle]

that seems like a very weird thing to be against

considering hel weaponry has one gun for every kind of playstyle pretty much

[low radish]

Of course people come now after I say that

[ocean spindle]

yes

:]

i smell bad takes

sniff sniff

[fallen kite]

I hate pen pen is too op I won't use pen i'll be a chad a man and use normal weapons like MACHINE GUN

💪

[ocean spindle]

sniper w

[low radish]

Am I going to get bullied

[ocean spindle]

maybe

[low radish]

😭

[ocean spindle]

i'm not saying ur wrong, im just saying ur wrong

[low radish]

Slendo i don't know how to feel about you

[fallen kite]

I mean

nah idek what i was gonna say

[ocean spindle]

kdmskd

[low radish]

@karmic yew come join bullying me /j

You said you will

[ocean spindle]

anyways uh for c1 i would go more prec rifle than revo cause u can use the long sighting way more

and also the level turns off the lights constantly

and the revo flashlight sucks balls

[low radish]

I have eyes I don't need flashlight /j

[prime musk]

the lights are on for the entire duration of waves so like why does this matter

[low radish]

OMG TODES

You came

Come on let's discuss this, unless you're still busy

[karmic yew]

Hell weapons S-tier no other opinion shall be tolerated

[low radish]

😭😭

Why do you tolerate me then todes

[silent delta]

are the hell weapons good at killing demons

[low radish]

🤨

[karmic yew]

Probably

Would be false marketing if not tbf

[silent delta]

when will they add the super shotgun to gtfo

[low radish]

Imagine if scattergun would be a hel weapon

[silent delta]

it already is

[low radish]

Shhh

[karmic yew]

I'm ready to disagree with everything u say. Not willing to discuss, just here for the drama

[silent delta]

you dont need your bullets to pierce if you add more of them

[silent delta]

ur wrong

[low radish]

Todes I love you my guy

[karmic yew]

Thx, ur wrong tho

[low radish]

Imagine if we had a machine gun

[silent delta]

yeah imagine

machineguns in gtfo

[low radish]

Like heavy from tf2

[silent delta]

thatd be good

[low radish]

Amazing

[silent delta]

do you mean miniguns

[karmic yew]

Honestly, thats the only hell weapon missing

[ocean spindle]

i mean still the thermal will help for super long sights way more

[karmic yew]

Imagine the crowd control on that

[low radish]

Ah yes

[silent delta]

me dropping into the complex with my handheld rocket launcher like IF GOD HAD WANTED YOU TO LIVE HE WOULD NOT HAVE CREATED ME

[prime musk]

that is true but i think the reload sucking is far greater of a downside than the upside of thermal for a duo run

[low radish]

A WHOLE AIRSTRIKE WHILE WE'RE AT IT

LAZER GUN

[ocean spindle]

i think both may not even be the answer tbh cause both got downsides for a duo run

[silent delta]

the precision rifle looks so fucking goofy

like the model of it

[hardy grotto]

which c1 is this

[prime musk]

r1

[low radish]

R1

[ocean spindle]

the ez one

d1

i mean r1

[silent delta]

it looks like a regular pistol grip on the back of a rifle

and then someone took a comically long butt stock

and glued it onto the bottom of the grip

[low radish]

I want to duo it with my best friend and I was wondering what to take

[silent delta]

and not even well

[prime musk]

im not saying take revolver but i think it's arguably better than prec rifle because uptime
at least if shot well

[hardy grotto]

cannon of burst

[silent delta]

she burst on my cannon till i uptime

[prime musk]

true

[low radish]

I love how the burst pistol has no maganize, you reload nothing

While we're on topic of funny guns

[ocean spindle]

it's uptime but also bad visibility for any range- like even the tunnel it's pretty dark in my opinion
and a lot worse for bigs and specially hybrids

i think both are like- kinda equal but i would go prec rifle

if i had to chose

[hardy grotto]

i would just take burst cannon

[prime musk]

fair

[ocean spindle]

basic smh

always go for the funny option

not the best one

[hardy grotto]

boring

id take revo then

[ocean spindle]

it's just that good

[upper ginkgo]

don't let the haters win

[silent delta]

short rifle with a macro

[low radish]

Two Burst pistols

[soft crater]

[low radish]

Let's take that

[silent delta]

anyone have that copypasta on hand

[ocean spindle]

don't

[upper ginkgo]

ask ifo

[silent delta]

Let me introduce to you, the short rifle. On paper and given to an aimbot, this is like the most broken weapon in the game but it feels like horse shot to use because to use it yo its full potential you literally need to be superhuman, able to click 20 times per second. This is where the macro comes in. You create a macro that when you hold a button, it clicks really fast, mimicking full auto. Don't go overboard with the firing speed. I set mine to fire somewhere between 5 and 10 per second, similar to the assault rifle. Then you bind that button to your most accessible mouse button.

Now you have a weapon that is the most generally ammo efficient in the game with the normal semi auto and then when you switch to full auto, it has up to the highest dps in the game, each bullet dealing more than twice of what the assault rifle does, still with a huge ammo capacity.

The only drawbacks are the somewhat hard to control recoil and half stagger, yet remember it still staggers more per bullet than the assault rifle and pretty much always staggers on heashot. Its also not super great for sniping shooters with early fall off. Deletes both strikers and giants though

[ocean spindle]

seeing large walls of texts is funny once and then it

[karmic yew]

Short rifle lets goo

[ocean spindle]

alright

[hardy grotto]

dont ask ifo to place sentry

worst mistake of my life

[silent delta]

gets even funnier, right

[upper ginkgo]

don't play r4c3 with ifo

we wiped

[hardy grotto]

REAL

[silent delta]

bring four hel rifles to r4c3

[ocean spindle]

don't ask ifo- nevermind he joined our game without asking and we wiped cause of that

[silent delta]

its very funny

[ocean spindle]

thanks ifo

[low radish]

Todes wanna use TWO shelling nanos

[soft crater]

Nickle, Hange and I played Project Etneral C1 with IFO and we lost

Tragedy

[low radish]

IFO?

[silent delta]

both of you should bring burst pistol/short rifle to r1c1

itll go great

[low radish]

@karmic yew you know what to do

[silent delta]

oh is this the friend you were referring to?

[ocean spindle]

and shotgun sentry

[low radish]

Yes

[silent delta]

@karmic yew how do u put up wtih this asshole

/j

[low radish]

😭

[soft crater]

[silent delta]

REAL

best turret

i love chucking all of my tool into the void 😍

[prime musk]

especially if you take 2 of them

that way your tool is gone before wave 6 hits

[low radish]

Guys no, C-foam is the best for reactors

Why take sentry

[karmic yew]

I'm down hehe

[low radish]

Wait really

[silent delta]

C*M THE WHOLE LEVEL

[karmic yew]

I'm an even bigger ahhhole, so it works out😌

[low radish]

Todes once said "AMABATUC-FOAM"

[silent delta]

perfection

[silent delta]

im boutta b-b-b-b-burst

[low radish]

I love your quotes toses

[low radish]

"squeezing the third shot out of that burst"

[silent delta]

she c on my foam till i AMBATAKUUUM

[low radish]

I agree

He's worse than me

[silent delta]

i can fix him ❌ i can help him ❌ i can make him worse ✅

[karmic yew]

I loved ur "we're out of C foam" fanfic

[silent delta]

their fucking what

[karmic yew]

Pretty much

[silent delta]

you can't just drop that bombshell without sharing

[low radish]

Todes remember the dauda x tank fanfic you wrote

[silent delta]

the fucking what

[karmic yew]

Oh yeaaaah hahaha

[low radish]

We do a lot of interesting stuff

[silent delta]

i have to know

why dauda too

hackett is hotter

[karmic yew]

https://tenor.com/view/penguins-gif-27062846

[silent delta]

[silent delta]

OH NUH UH

YOU OPENED THIS CAN OF WORMS

SHARE WITH THE CLASS

[karmic yew]

YESSS

Finally someone gets it

[low radish]

oh yeah the Hackett x woods fanfic

[karmic yew]

Hackett 11/10

[silent delta]

DUDE

you tease

[low radish]

I mean we did write a bit of all of those because we were bored

[silent delta]

dm them to me i must know

[low radish]

Just for giggles

[karmic yew]

...and weird

[low radish]

We are always weird todes

The pinned messages in our DM's say it all

[karmic yew]

I like to refer to it as silly✨️

[low radish]

I'm not silly I'm just weird and traumatized

<:)

[silent delta]

that makes you silly

[low radish]

Child abuse or being weird

[karmic yew]

At least one of would get locked up if those would get published

[silent delta]

what happens in dms stays in dms

[low radish]

If you go to jail, I'll follow you

[silent delta]

that shit is classified

[low radish]

By child abuse I mean irl not in DM's

[karmic yew]

Duo cell les goo

[low radish]

But maybe let's not talk about it deeper here

[silent delta]

massive skill issue

[karmic yew]

That doesn't make it better... :(

[low radish]

Toses you know everything I went through, and thank you for being helpful through all of it

What would i do without you

[karmic yew]

I'm here for u :3

I'm the tool refill to your C foam

[low radish]

Thanks, we shall celebrate our friendsh-

[silent delta]

i think that metaphor signifies something other than friendship

[low radish]

This is what I meant about is being wird

[silent delta]

stop edging the foam launcher

[karmic yew]

Nahh wait I ain't mean it like that💀

[low radish]

🤨

yeah sure

[karmic yew]

I'm a good boy I swear

[silent delta]

yeah?

[low radish]

Yeeeah suuure

[silent delta]

you like to be told that?

[low radish]

HAHA

[karmic yew]

(As long as u ignore those dms)

[silent delta]

litle piss boy?

[low radish]

Should I leak some of the messages (nah I won't)

[silent delta]

coward

[low radish]

Is that a reference to a video

[silent delta]

possibly

[karmic yew]

What has this conversation become?

[silent delta]

gianni matragrano is a national treasure

[low radish]

It went from I don't use hel guns to this

[silent delta]

those two things are related

[low radish]

I just respect todes' privacy

[karmic yew]

Thx :3

[low radish]

You call your hel gun a "little piss boy"?

[karmic yew]

HAHAHA

[low radish]

"okay little piss Boy, time to shoot"

Wait no this is cursed

[silent delta]

"you peed on it. you peed on it didn't you, you little piss boy"

"IM NOT A PEEPEE BOY IM NOOOOT"

[karmic yew]

brushes over hell gun slowly, comforting it

[silent delta]

no

[low radish]

"A flag of Japan but it's actually a Perfect water stain"

[low radish]

Todes that's enough

[silent delta]

oh shit i just peed on my towel better turn this into clout

[low radish]

"IT WAS AN ICE PACK AND IT LEAKED I DIDN'T PEE ON IT"

[silent delta]

I DIDNT FUCKIGN PEE ON IT

i love gianni

[karmic yew]

If this convo doesn't get us kicked from the server, I dont know what will

[silent delta]

gabriel ultrakill ❤️

[low radish]

We can do warcrimes

[silent delta]

if you say c*m you'll get banned

[karmic yew]

That would be a step-up

[low radish]

Wait really

[karmic yew]

Coom

[low radish]

TODES NO

[silent delta]

try it

[karmic yew]

Try

[karmic yew]

Hahaha

[low radish]

;-; the pressure is real

[silent delta]

im a good influence

[low radish]

every guy in my life, ever

[karmic yew]

Peer pressure hehe >:)

[low radish]

Pressure point

[silent delta]

say the word spoon

coward

[low radish]

Haha R6C3 reference

[low radish]

That's literally my name

[karmic yew]

:,)

[low radish]

Silver spoon

[low radish]

Todes you're an exception, I love you

[silent delta]

are you familiar with the song witchy woman by the eagles

[low radish]

Nope

[silent delta]

crazy laughter in another room
and she drove herself to madness with a silver spoon

oooooooo-hoooooo witchy woman

see how high she flii-iii-iiiies

[low radish]

Never heard of it

[silent delta]

never heard of the eagels?

criminal activity

[low radish]

Nope

Never

[silent delta]

you should listen

anyway i gotta get back to building my pc

have fun dying to r1c1

[low radish]

It's not my birthday yet

Plus todes is in another country, not his own right now

Can't really play

But thank you

[civic wave]

i have heard it like 2 years ago but forgot about it

[silent delta]

i am the only one here with taste

[safe cradle]

Have you heard of the song "Another burst in the main slot" by "HEL Carbine"?

Nice song.

[civic wave]

so many interesting choices

[digital mural]

Wtf is the doggo going to do?
Snatch You on his belly and carry You to home?

Jesus

[native sun]

||Doggo: immune to snow (c-foam) has an ability to pull you out of the car (ignoring collision as long as it can see you through the window). will drag you to safety||
||Tank/Pablo: tentacles can easily lift the car out||
No other options are valid

[mossy dome]

any recommendations on the easiest c mission to attempt to solo and/or a level that is a reasonable but not huge step up from r1b1?

[mossy dome]

||I feel like frank could just lift the car without tentacles||

[native sun]

Nah, he can't get close enough, he'd have to go through the snowbank and then he'd get stuck too

[fallen kite]

R2C1 cant be that bad I think

[civic wave]

literally

[native sun]

R2C2 doesn't have any crazy alarms, and the error isn't too bad solo. Very doable with infec. resist boosters, kinda scary without them.

R6C1 pretty reasonable, alarms are a little spooky but not too bad.

[civic wave]

so OP

either a free ride home or it gets rid of all the snow

[past mesa]

my vote is flyer

[native sun]

Solo uplink kinda hard

[fallen kite]

Ohh true

[civic wave]

interdimensional teleportation is another option, yes jish

[past mesa]

because their tentacles can keep me warm and they can go through walls

[past mesa]

didnt even think of that

[fallen kite]

Have to bring bio for shadow waves too

[civic wave]

oh no

[fallen kite]

Unless youre locked in like that

[civic wave]

I wish I did not remember what jish thinks of flyers, I was happy to have forgotten it

[prime musk]

first class 3 is kinda hard because spawpoints are so close

after that it should be smooth sailing though

[soft crater]

[fallen kite]

Smooth sailing

is bold

[native sun]

Yeah, it is, kinda forgot about that alarm, but nice to have the difficulty spike at the start

[fallen kite]

i’d say try solo some more A or B tiers

Theres a couple good ones that’ll test you

R1B2 is a slog with a hard ending, wouldnt reccomend if u were considering it

[prime musk]

r1b2 is not hard
the ending is literally just
don't run so waves don't stack

[soft crater]

?

[mossy dome]

i am considering nothing as of yet lol

[fallen kite]

well its next in R1 so just in case

[mossy dome]

just want something that would be a moderate difficulty bump up for fun

[fallen kite]

R1A1 is a good bump

[civic wave]

^

[fallen kite]

Genuibely

[frail heart]

Class 4 is not easy

[fallen kite]

The class 4 is challenging yeah

Even for good players

[soft crater]

is it?

[prime musk]

gamble for tripmine and permafoam
or permafoam anyways

[mossy dome]

is the strat to kite back through the zones to finish the c4?

[civic wave]

Idk is it really that hard to do the class 4, ignoring my previous background of havinf over 30 hours of solo time in that mission

[fallen kite]

No

You just fight the alarm

[civic wave]

Main strat is shooting everything

[fallen kite]

In the room