gtfo-related-questions

[tardy ingot]

pens just too strong

[upper ginkgo]

yeah but it's the idea of individuals having different target priorities

[mossy dome]

I think the hybrid + charger waves in some reactors are pretty cool, or hybrids with any decent front line honestly

[upper ginkgo]

which isn't utilized much in the game

having a couple more giant in waves gives the sniper / scatter player to shoot something

[tardy ingot]

well pls fix vanilal sniper first

but i 100% agree

mixed waves are interesting

its also why i like some alarms in occlusion

[civic wave]

Isn't it a shame that ALT rundowns replaced some mixed waves with full charger waves

[tardy ingot]

theres one with strikers, chargers and snatchers (obviously shooters too)

[upper ginkgo]

yeah as much as murdering mono charger waves w/ hel weapons in r4d2 is satisfying, i don't know if it's a good change

also a massive drain on ammo

on a pretty ammo tight level

[upper ginkgo]

yeah also wished they leveraged snatchers more in waves

like it's genuinely interesting to have to juggle a snatcher while fighting a horde

[tardy ingot]

in general the elite/mini boss enemies are interesting when they show up like that

[upper ginkgo]

in solo, i have to intentionally leave enough ammo in my clip so i can deal with the snatcher chase

[tardy ingot]

its 1. sad that they dont that often
and
2. that theres only a few of them

[upper ginkgo]

while also having to deal with the strikers on my ass

[tardy ingot]

there could be way more

[upper ginkgo]

gtfo combat is great because it's like multi-tasking a bajillion things

managing stagger, movement, ammo, health

it's great

dodging shooter shots while shooting heads

knowing where you need to run to

deciding whether you get another kill or save a teammate from a lick

[tardy ingot]

and the scans unironically add to it too

big red/teamscans force teams to cramp together

[upper ginkgo]

i think the game is at its peak when you're forced all to make these microdecisions on the fly

[tardy ingot]

small reds/clusters force split ups and teammates to go into worse positions

[upper ginkgo]

it's why i think the "all hell has gone loose" type of situations are the best part of the game

the moments where your entire team has destabilized and everyone is just fighting to survive

so you can regroup and push for scan

[tardy ingot]

its best when it happens organically tho

im not a fan of modded overforcing these situations sometimes

[upper ginkgo]

yeah sadly, the better your team is, the less likely that situation is going to occur

[tardy ingot]

its why this game is best when you are beginner to intermediate/early advanced

[upper ginkgo]

mhm hard agree

but it's possible to reach that same level enjoyment as a high tier player if you're given a hard enough level

[tardy ingot]

if well designed definetly

[upper ginkgo]

it's just that gtfo player skills have outpaced level difficulty for a while

[tardy ingot]

or if you push the level hard enough that it pushes back

[tardy ingot]

tbf, rly only for a minority

[upper ginkgo]

and it's only modding that can address that gap

fair

that's why i'm alright with the current "difficulty" of the game

there's still a need to cast a wide net to keep most players engaged and fairly treated in the game

[tardy ingot]

the only one im a bit sad with is R8

R8E1 specifically couldve been what it is now, as the main. And secondary makes it TOUGH
R8D1 is also very easy if you play it by the book

R8B3 feels like they wanted to make it harder but held themselves back

R8B4 is (was) in such a weird spot imo

before nerf it was definetly not right. But now it feels too chill to hold at times

[upper ginkgo]

idk r8b4 is still rough in p*bs

[tardy ingot]

in the end i still rly like this game (no wonder considering the time ive spend)
it couldve been better, but it still is a gem in the rough that sadly just isnt for everyone

[tardy ingot]

pubs be like

[upper ginkgo]

yeah i think that's a common sentiment

good game, just could've been more

[civic wave]

Mhm

[tardy ingot]

yup
theres sadly quite a lot of people tho who prefer shitting on it

[civic wave]

I don't regret the time I've spent, its been fulfilling

[upper ginkgo]

and it's a bummer that the game is niche enough that i don't think any dev studios are going to try compete with it for a while

[civic wave]

Game definitely could've pushed to do more but it's still unique and fun to play

[upper ginkgo]

like it's great that the game is unique and all

but it also means that it's rare for another studio to make their own twist on the formula

[civic wave]

Let's hold protests/demonstrations outside 10cc offices

[tardy ingot]

im not even sure if this game wouldve become more main stream by streamlining a tutorial to explain mechanics (and maybe making terminals baby mode)

[upper ginkgo]

and also a lot of the features i enjoy in the game aren't exactly intentioned by the developers

[civic wave]

Maybe the marketing as hardcore also puts some people off

[upper ginkgo]

stuff like reload canceling

and abusing back dmg in loud combat

[tardy ingot]

like imagine if tutorial showed how to place mines, sentries
how to kill a scout etc

on one side that rly takes a way the magic of finding out

but mainstream gaming has become a lot more... handholdy

[civic wave]

I still need to restart my beginners guide

[upper ginkgo]

or quick swap

[tardy ingot]

drags some in, puts some off

funny and sad thing is that some of the ones dragged in, fail and then whine

ill maybe get to my alarm/reactor one once i get my new mic

but uni is comin closer and closer

[upper ginkgo]

they've intended the game to be niche and i think they've stayed true to that intention

i'm not sure if being opaque about the game's mechanics is a good way of making it "hardcore"

but it certainly is a punishing game by design

[tardy ingot]

honestly the things id definetly wish were in the tutorial is some minor meta knowledge (back dmg for stealth), how to place mines on a door and forcing them to ping with a terminal (make it so the box doesnt unlock otherwise or some shit)

[upper ginkgo]

yeah

[tardy ingot]

the mines and back dmg alone would carry SO many people in this game

hell

spiffs group didnt know about back dmg

in R8E2

[upper ginkgo]

i think the tutorial should've also involved cfoam + mine + sentry combo

like ingraining a basic sense of the standard tool defense set-up would be so helpful

[tardy ingot]

issue is youd need to implement either a 4 way tutorial (which sucks)

or you do major work and do it where you can swap your tool

[keen seal]

consumables?

[upper ginkgo]

wouldn't bots with hard-set loadouts achieve the same thing?

[keen seal]

c-foam nade and tripmine

[upper ginkgo]

and also yeah, consumables

[solemn stirrup]

Having a part of the tutorial like “hey take this c-foam grenade and throw it at the door” would help

[tardy ingot]

like why does the tutorial give you bat (good choice, teaches headshot/back dmg IN THEORY IF EXPLAINED)
but then burst sentry and not mines (at least its not shotty sentry)

[solemn stirrup]

Cause I rember when I started I had no idea what foam even was

[tardy ingot]

@upper ginkgo hmm maybe
consumables tho yea

[topaz anvil]

burst sentry <3

[upper ginkgo]

i think the devs struggled to make a decision between not being too handholdy and keeping the game immersive, while also explaining the bare mechanics of the game as obviously as possible

i don't think being immersive and being sparse on information was the move though

[tardy ingot]

tbh

i believe if gtfo came out 10 years earlier

it wouldve been a lot more of a hit

(obvious tech advancments aside)

[wet bear]

LF3 for tutorial, pls no carry, everyone walk together no spreading across the map so I can think our strategy, don't shoot, it's stealth game, I take 1 sniper to play long range killer

[tardy ingot]

people didnt expect unlocks as much, less handholding

people also were used to struggling on games more

[upper ginkgo]

yeah i'd agree solely on the reason that horde shooters were way bigger back then

the early 2000s - mid 2010's zombie video game craze...

[tardy ingot]

yep

i always think of pokemon when it comes to this

the games evolved from no hand holding to MAXIMUM HANDHOLDING

[upper ginkgo]

the good memories of cynthia beating my ass in og diamond

[wet bear]

Can we hold hands UwU

[topaz anvil]

As much as I loved Brilliant Diamond, the friendship sturdy feature kinda threw me off

[tardy ingot]

gen 3 and 4 were my childhood
then i played 1 and 2
then 6, then 5 (5 is goated too)
6-9 has been getting worse and worse game wise (tho competetive has become sick)

[upper ginkgo]

i remember being stressed af prepping for the elite 4 gauntlet

maybe cause i was just braindead at pokemon

but it's so sad to breeze through them now

[topaz anvil]

don't forget you've naturally become smarter

(I hope)

[upper ginkgo]

i'm an "all aim no brain" type of player

what does that even mean in a turn-based combat game

offensive moves only?

no stat buffs / working with passives

[mossy dome]

unironically how I used to play 2nd gen

[tardy ingot]

in pokemon it means knowing what the pokemon do, what the types do, what the moves do

[mossy dome]

sand attack disappeared so fast

[tardy ingot]

full offensive is generally the easiest in a normal playthrough

playing nuzlockes is rly fun tho

[upper ginkgo]

"lol my opponent used a status move"

"free dmg, time to spam flamethrower"

[tardy ingot]

i gotta nuzlock black/white again

that was a blast ngl

last one i did was shield
i had 1 death...

[upper ginkgo]

i remember when they added animated sprites in black/white

[tardy ingot]

the game is so incredibly easy

[upper ginkgo]

i thought that shit was so hype

[tardy ingot]

gen 5 sprites are insane

10 times better than the shitty 3D

[upper ginkgo]

unfortunately i think pokemon suffers from feature creep(?)

where they're releasing new games too often

[tardy ingot]

kinda

yea

that for sure

they rush the games

tho tbf

current gen is insane for competetive

megas were casual fun, but busted
dynamax was meh on both sides
terra is super fun in competetive

anyway time to cook pasta >:D

[upper ginkgo]

my main concern is just how fucking big the roster is

like wtf i have to memorize 1000+ names now?

i stopped at like gen 6

[tardy ingot]

1000+ yep

[tiny wyvern]

To be fair the people that do remember every single one, what they can do and what they are good at

Are absolute monsters

[upper ginkgo]

sounds like wasted brain space lol

[topaz anvil]

Ye you could be memorising gtfo weapon numbers instead

[upper ginkgo]

who tf does that

[wet bear]

Even worse than pokemons

[upper ginkgo]

i just recount how many bullets it takes to kill a striker

[wet bear]

I just shoot

[upper ginkgo]

and then remember for the rest of the level

TRUE

shoot the enemy until it dies

[wet bear]

Yes

[topaz anvil]

That is a very fun strategy

[upper ginkgo]

reject spreadsheet gaming

[wet bear]

Yes

[topaz anvil]

Reject numbers, take AR

[wet bear]

Yes

[silent delta]

reject meta embrace sniper

[wet bear]

If the enemy you shoot dies, then you are doing it right, if it's not dying then you need to change something or deal more massive damage

[silent delta]

if ur not dealing enough damage skill diff tbh

[wet bear]

Just take rocket launcher

[topaz anvil]

As long as you dont take knife we can be friends

[red flax]

Excluding r1a1, what's the first level to have a checkpoint?

[wet bear]

But what if it's modded knife with crit multi back multi an sleeping damage multi with base 15 damage

[topaz anvil]

Even worse

[silent delta]

checkpoints begin in r6

[tardy ingot]

R6A1

[keen seal]

hits to kill supremacy who needs numbers

[upper ginkgo]

yeah screw critical thinking in a video game

i just want to click on the bad guys

[twin shoal]

Is there bonus missions after you finish all of R6 (13/13)?

'cause there is 3 spots on the display where they seem to be missing

[tardy ingot]

no

[silent delta]

did you do all the secondary/overload?

[twin shoal]

I am not done with it all yet

[ocean spindle]

do u mean like between the X levels and the normal ones?
the X levels- ax bc cx- are extension levels, they were added after r6 came out so that's why they are to the right

but there is no a2 a3 or b3

[silent delta]

if you have 13/13 main and not all of the others, its because you haven't done some of the secondary/overload objectives

[twin shoal]

its not the case I am 11/13 just asking

[red flax]

Do you need to complete all other expeditions in a rundown to unlock that rundowns E level? We skipped R5C3 and R5D2 and R5E1 isn't unlocked

[tardy ingot]

yes

[hazy wedge]

R5C3 😴
R5D2 🤑

[red flax]

Bots refused to go in the S scans for over 5 minutes on the class X door. They kept going back and forth out of them... We barely made it to the fifth scan

[carmine crescent]

What up my gtfoers, what would be a good main weapon in combination with the hel rifle?

[tardy ingot]

any of the good ones

[wet bear]

Grenade launcher

[past mesa]

What about shotgun

[carmine crescent]

These are not helpful responses

[keen seal]

hel revo, hel shotgun, hel autopistol uhh uhh

hel hel hel

carbine

[red flax]

How does one effectively use the autopistol?

[minor fractal]

Sawed-Off Shotgun

[keen seal]

goat weeps

[minor fractal]

Super simple, super strong.

[carmine crescent]

Really?

[minor fractal]

Yes

[carmine crescent]

I’ve never used it before

Does it have a decent reload

[minor fractal]

It's very power-crept, and the loadout has kind of taken over low-man clears.

It does.

[civic wave]

i hate sawed off

i hate scattergun

hel rifle does not bother me any more

there are bigger villains

[carmine crescent]

I’ll give it a shot, thanks

[safe cradle]

Carbine's easy to use and good at shortish-medium range

[civic wave]

Carbine hel rifle is such a pub loadout

[safe cradle]

Carbine works well

Hel rifle too

[sturdy glen]

the pub speedrunner loadout

[civic wave]

I don't deny that

[safe cradle]

Personally if I've to carry a pub I tend to take HEL Shotty/CS

[civic wave]

But it's still a pub loadout

[carmine crescent]

What is a pub

[civic wave]

Plenty of pubs also don't play for pen

[halcyon current]

My buddy is running carbine scattergun a lot rn and I call it the skill floor hell loadout

[carmine crescent]

What do these words mean

[safe cradle]

pub is... public? basically someone that's not part of a premade

[carmine crescent]

I see

[safe cradle]

At least that's what I've always interpreted it as

[halcyon current]

Comes from mmos iirc

[sturdy glen]

p*b

[carmine crescent]

Tf

[safe cradle]

I've been a pub for all the time since I never had anything even remotely close to a premade

So I guess I speak for experience

[civic wave]

Someone either from the lfg, or someone who is bad at the game

[safe cradle]

Your mileage might vary, but getting a premade would make the experience easier (or much better I guess), since most of the times it implies getting a vet or more

[halcyon current]

It's easier to play with a premade even if they're not like, veteran players I find

Knowing what to expect out of your idiot friends is easier then the average p*b

[civic wave]

Simple fix is not expecting anything

You assess them as you play and see what you need to do

[carmine crescent]

Same I just deal with the fact that we play duo

[safe cradle]

It's just that turning the amount of "I dont even want to be here playing this game" players to zero makes the experience smoother tbh

[halcyon current]

Kick them for running perfect boosters, more commonly then not lmao

[civic wave]

Kinda based

I haven't kicked anyone in a while

[safe cradle]

Most of the R7E1 lobbies I pubbed had at least 1 guy that had zero clue what to do and wouldn't normally belong to an E lobby

[halcyon current]

When inwas trying to pub R4C3 PE I literally kept getting people who either hadn't made it out of r1 or were returning to GTFO after like, playing OG runs and being gone for years

[wet bear]

Just gaslight them for every mistake

If they try to gaslight u first then give them no mercy

[safe cradle]

It's just that there's maps that people don't do again since are a combination of annoying and "hard"

[halcyon current]

I get that but man go finish r1 lmao

[safe cradle]

R4C3 is only interesting after Overload and Extreme's annoying

[halcyon current]

At least

[minor fractal]

Overload -> Sec goes hard

[wet bear]

No I wanna go drop into R8E2

[minor fractal]

You need really checked in people for that, tho

[halcyon current]

I'm ngl the charger waves arent that bad

[minor fractal]

They're bad because of how much attention they demand, and how poorly people tend to answer them.

[safe cradle]

I'll say something controversial but here we go: At some point in the game, barring 4 friends buying a copy, it'll perhaps be so dead that you might aswell install any version of better bots you prefer and go with it.

[minor fractal]

An MG could actually spend an ammo pack per wave

[halcyon current]

Tbf that's on you for bringing a MG

[minor fractal]

Yeah, but a lot of very mediocre players will miss or not fully abuse stronger weapons.

[halcyon current]

I don't understand why people like em, I used an MG like twice and decided they were infact not for me

[safe cradle]

They are not, it's just that people need to know where to go and what to do (which isn't rocket science) and most teams die because of BBCs after Main Bulkhead alarm

[minor fractal]

Like HEL Rifle shooting each charger individually.

[halcyon current]

When I pubbed it that's what killed us

Totally communication breakdown at the bulkhead door

[halcyon current]

I mean I'm not even sure what to tell you there

That's not even abusing HR

That's just using it as intended

[safe cradle]

This is true, there's also a lot of... shooting mismanagement? I get that impression when people just unload in a chokepoint and everyone has to reload kinda at the same time

[safe cradle]

You need a plan (shoot scout and pull works), and you need to execute it, diddling about around is just wasting time

[halcyon current]

I agree but pubs are scared of pulling rooms

Like simply shooting that scout and shooting the rest of the room with a Burst Cannon would've been more time and ammo efficient but someone demanded we try to stealth it

[safe cradle]

Pulling is less risky than stealth-killing BBCs tbh

[halcyon current]

And it's like man I don't think it'll matter at the end of the day lmao

[safe cradle]

This, R5D2's last code room

I'd rather just pull with scout kill

[halcyon current]

Imo killing charger wave and pulling room shouldn't be too hard

Like stealthing that room means group splits and if a fuck up happens you're boned

[safe cradle]

The BBCs in the room are A LOT more dangerous than the wave behind, same with R4D1's last code room

BBCs wreck team faster than chargers

and chargers can wreck teams faster than normal enemies

I know, obvious statements

[halcyon current]

And all things considered they aren't that dangerous cause I have a funny burst cannon and will just put em in the dirt

[upper ginkgo]

i've had more success just solo hunting the code with stealth

like the last wave is baby easy to hold anyway solo

surely 3 other people with sentry can do it

[minor fractal]

Saving time does also save a lot of ammo, imo, and most randoms are super slow.

If you hesitate at every charger wave, you are just fighting double the enemies.

[safe cradle]

It really depends IMHO on how the enemies spawned (R5D2-wise)

There ARE cursed cases with shit that makes reaching code room much slower

[halcyon current]

I honestly don't understand how someone makes it to R4 and is still spooked to pull rooms

[upper ginkgo]

people don't make it to r4

they just play r4 levels

[safe cradle]

they didn't or just did mains or got carried

[upper ginkgo]

people either play the game in order

or just level hop

[safe cradle]

Basically what Voxy, Vozy, purple haired said

[halcyon current]

I should stop assuming people played the game in order like I have tbh

[upper ginkgo]

i've had so many people join my r4e1s with like 20 hrs under their belt lol

more than happy to give them a clear tho :)

[red flax]

Is pulling a room different than trying to stealth then falling back if it goes wrong?

[safe cradle]

I'vev had people join R7E1 so they "could see how the hardest level was" (was R7 release)

[minor fractal]

I've had people complain that we were repeating R4E1 reactor codes.

[halcyon current]

Yes because pulling room is intentionally done

Whereas fucking up stealth is not normally intentional

[upper ginkgo]

pulling room usually involves shooting the big threat initially so you can get rid of it asap and then focus on cleaning up the trash

[safe cradle]

Stealth then transition to loud goes WRONG, with BBCs

BBCs are bad

[ember mulch]

Why

[safe cradle]

Get close to one without staggering and it's gonna bonk the shit out of you

[upper ginkgo]

most ppl prioritize saving time anyway

sure you could wait 4 scout cycles for the scout to walk into a good spot

[safe cradle]

Partially powerful punches

[tardy ingot]

hell, even getting licked by a few enemies can down a person if you wanted to stealth first

[upper ginkgo]

or you could just shoot it and deal with the room in 2 minutes or less

[ember mulch]

That is true

[tardy ingot]

and then you might have another down due to worse shooting

and suddenly the situation is not good for the average player

[halcyon current]

I'll be honest I have very rarely seen pubs prioritize saving time, I've seen them be more then willing to spend like 15 minutes at a sec door gathering resources

[safe cradle]

What about Elks?

[red flax]

The only time we've struggled with stealth is with shadows and at the very end of R4D1, is pulling rooms with shadows a good strat at times?

[halcyon current]

Fuck stealthing around shadows ngl

The warden gave me a gun and I'm gonna use it

[red flax]

Sentry laser certainly helps but it's still so slow lmao

[minor fractal]

Shadows

R4D1

😰

[ember mulch]

Depends on the mission / room layout etc.

[safe cradle]

end of R4D1 shadows?

[halcyon current]

I don't even remember shadows on R4D1

[red flax]

Mutually exclusive times

[safe cradle]

R4D2? but you dont pull the shadows?

I mean you can but you do it before

[red flax]

Oh my bad, R3D1, not R4

[safe cradle]

yeah there's none

[tardy ingot]

ray is reacting to jakeohlantern saying it as if there were shadows in r4d1

[ember mulch]

R4D2 oooh ye secondary right ffs i forgor

[safe cradle]

R3D1 shadows?

[minor fractal]

Nebula is saying that*

[strange jolt]

im getting more confused

[tardy ingot]

wait nebula messaged?

[minor fractal]

It's not R3D1 either, lol.

[tardy ingot]

i dont see it

[safe cradle]

What D-levels are you playing?

[halcyon current]

Yeah I didn't say there were shadows in R4D1

[upper ginkgo]

r5d1

[minor fractal]

@tardy ingot

[halcyon current]

I pretty distinctly remember that level still

[tardy ingot]

thats empty

the fuck lemme reload

[red flax]

Only time struggled with steath:
End of R3D1
Shadows in general

[upper ginkgo]

didn't you just get a clear on r5d1 nebula

[red flax]

We did

[tardy ingot]

ye now its there

[upper ginkgo]

pog

[safe cradle]

wait

ah

[tardy ingot]

@halcyon current funny clear

[safe cradle]

Just pull R3D1 rooms

[halcyon current]

Learned many things ngl

[safe cradle]

I NEVER cleared that level stealthing those

best case we killed CScout with foam once

[upper ginkgo]

room just sucks to clear with stealth lol

[safe cradle]

all the other clears I just had everyone shoot

[red flax]

We died 2 or 3 times because we didn't realize that chargers could be giant...

[tardy ingot]

ive done it twice
both solo (one glitch run tho)

[ember mulch]

Ha

[upper ginkgo]

funny that charger giants are introduced in r3d1 now

[safe cradle]

Even my 3 bots clear I just pulled

[halcyon current]

I'm ngl I'm glad that I just carry a burst cannon around irregardless of level

Because I don't have to expect a new enemy to be anything

I can normally just shoot it and kill it lmao

[ember mulch]

Kill Pablo i dare you

[upper ginkgo]

the pure panic i feel when a bbc is rushing me and i have short rifle / burst pistol

[safe cradle]

Understandable

[halcyon current]

When I meet him I'm sure I'll try

But enough people have insinuated what he is

So like

[ember mulch]

Good luck soldier

[halcyon current]

I feel like the surprise factor is gonna be totally gone

[tardy ingot]

BBC - staggering is an opinion

[ember mulch]

Naah he is nice

[halcyon current]

Like I don't know what Pablo is or looks like but enough people across enough GTFO chats have insinuated he cannot be killed

[safe cradle]

British Broadcasting Company IS evil after all

[tardy ingot]

eh he can

[upper ginkgo]

yeah idk how you haven't been spoiled yet lol

[ember mulch]

He can buttt.....

[halcyon current]

In a reasonable fashion or by modding a gun to do 10 gazillion damage

[safe cradle]

||Tanned Tank, gray edition||

[tardy ingot]

neither

[minor fractal]

||There used to be a kill-all in the level that had a rounding error||

[safe cradle]

Kinda

[minor fractal]

||and it would leave Pablo at 0.1 HP, from which you could actually kill him.||

[upper ginkgo]

the pablo corpse in gtfo-media...

[halcyon current]

I mean, I know he's invincible ish. I'm pretty good at simply leaving this channel when I realize you guys started talking about stuff I haven't been to yet.

[halcyon current]

Don't go in there unless im pinged

[ember mulch]

Where are ya stuck at?

[halcyon current]

Don't go in lore unless I'm pinged either really

[upper ginkgo]

no one goes to lore lol

[halcyon current]

If you're talking to me I'm not nessecarily stuck, I just have been playing Elden Ring a lot rn

Whenever I stop ER I'll be back on R4D2Pe

[ember mulch]

Thats fair

[halcyon current]

Then R4E1PE

[ember mulch]

Thats a fun one

[halcyon current]

I almost beat it first try

[ember mulch]

R4E1 is bae 😍

[safe cradle]

I lost my second clear of that shit to spitter audio

[halcyon current]

Then the door to 102 or something went to hell cause the group fell apart to the diff 8 alarm

[safe cradle]

I'd suggest installing gluefix or whatever mod fixes that shitty bug

[ember mulch]

R4D2 main is where i go for new cosmetics when/if there are any

[halcyon current]

Someone straight up ran infront of thr burst cannon running into a group of chargers

Good times

[safe cradle]

Speaking of which...

They never did it again?

[halcyon current]

I'm ngl p*bs have no concept of clearing a firing line in GTFO

[safe cradle]

Or am I wrong?

[ember mulch]

Ye they didnt

[upper ginkgo]

no incentive to release cosmetics?

[safe cradle]

sad

[upper ginkgo]

what was the last one

[halcyon current]

The amount of players who will walk infront of a firing gun thinking I'm going to stop shooting is wild

[upper ginkgo]

oh yeah

the rat helmet

[safe cradle]

black friday?

[upper ginkgo]

i will stand still, comm that i am standing still to kill the boss enemy

and still get friendly fire'd

[halcyon current]

It's actually fucking insane I'm ngl

[safe cradle]

By this point, especially during S-scans, I shoot anyway I dont care

[ember mulch]

Anyways im off, bye 😶

[halcyon current]

I've never been FF'd so much in my life

[safe cradle]

S-scans are done usually precisely so you dont move

[halcyon current]

Like it's not even done this much in Squad which has zero target ID outside your eyeballs

[red flax]

2 bot lifestyle...

[upper ginkgo]

isn't it an unspoken rule to do 2 stand up

2 crouch

[minor fractal]

Move sideways before standing

[safe cradle]

In front? Crouch. Behind? Stand. No I dont care that sitting after first shot of BC causes burst to go all on point who cares it's 3-rounds now anyway.

[upper ginkgo]

i wonder what my p*bs are shooting at during s-scans

[halcyon current]

The floor

[upper ginkgo]

like there's definitely over-dmg going on

[halcyon current]

Walls

[upper ginkgo]

something is happening

[halcyon current]

Nothing

[upper ginkgo]

i just don't know what

[halcyon current]

It's entirely possibly it's nothing

[safe cradle]

The enemies but they either miss or hit them after you killed.

[upper ginkgo]

guns are being fired but nothing is dying...

[safe cradle]

Personally, playing with pubs and the damage counter has taught me one thing: the first issue is that some simply refuse to shoot often enough.

[minor fractal]

Okay, but...

[upper ginkgo]

eh it's ingrained at them not to waste ammo

[minor fractal]

These people will be 1/5th my damage

and still be spending ammo

[upper ginkgo]

but they also somehow waste all the ammo

[safe cradle]

Then I guess some just hit shit

[upper ginkgo]

schrodingers ammo usage

visual novel writers try not to mention schrodinger challenge

[safe cradle]

Either they shoot the same target as each other and end up doing shit damage (no idea but I think dmg counter doesn't count overdamage does it?) or they simply miss

[sturdy glen]

there are 2 types of pubs

not shooting
mg player

[tardy ingot]

using ammo while not doing anything is always interesting

[safe cradle]

There's also A LOT of people that shoot WAY far off, and end up doing shit damage because of dmg falloff

[tardy ingot]

like i sometimes dont shoot if i think its not needed

[halcyon current]

I'm MG Player buts with Hel Shotty and BC

[tardy ingot]

but how do you not shoot while wasting ammo

[upper ginkgo]

using ar while shooting at max distance

it's as good as shooting air

[tardy ingot]

high cal shooting at chargers outsides its range

[safe cradle]

Yes, exactly

[tardy ingot]

then shooting again

[safe cradle]

Think about it, remember that guy streaming R2D2?

[upper ginkgo]

NOOO

spraying pdw from across the bridge

it hurts

[sturdy glen]

what if I took 2 high cals

[safe cradle]

They ALWAYS take PDW and ALWAYS shoot from light-year distance

[upper ginkgo]

high cal quick swap goes hard

high cal shot into high cal shot

[safe cradle]

It'd be extremely dangerous

"You're a big gun"

"For you".

meme too old?

[civic wave]

CHECK THE FUCK IN

[safe cradle]

🌴

[halcyon current]

GTFO would be a better game if it let me akimbo HCPs

[tardy ingot]

shoot once, miss
shoot with the other, hit outside range
shoot with the other again, miss
shoot with the first again, kill

[wet bear]

You better be putting veruta sight on it and shoot reactor waves from one end of bridge to another

[civic wave]

I've done this in solo r1c2, but that's solo r1c2 so

[halcyon current]

Actually, if people mod GTFO, can someone hypothetically mod in Akimbo HCPs?

[upper ginkgo]

shoot with the first again, false kill marker*

[tardy ingot]

truuuue

[safe cradle]

After RAID mod, the limit is the sky I guess

[tardy ingot]

then you shoot it again at the end when its desynced and the bodys stays around

[safe cradle]

About feasibility

[halcyon current]

So it can happen if I'm willing to model the left hand HCP

[tardy ingot]

1 - miss
2- hit outside range
3- miss
4- false kill marker
5- miss
6- kill
7- miss
8- shoot dead body

[wet bear]

Possibly can, there's still possibility of GTFO gacha and arpg

[upper ginkgo]

just clone and mirror the hcp viewmodel

[tardy ingot]

bullets?
shot
target?
killed

[upper ginkgo]

easy

[halcyon current]

GTFO but I turn it into Halo The Library

[halcyon current]

You'd have 4 arms then

No?

[safe cradle]

presses 9

[upper ginkgo]

you asked for akimbo hcp

[halcyon current]

You'd have to take the left hand off the right and give it a gun

[upper ginkgo]

not reality

[halcyon current]

Yeah fair

[past mesa]

@hardy grotto after playing gtfr

Do you understand why hel Rolfe is better for shadows

[hardy grotto]

no jish

because if the shadows are in front

theyre part of the line

if they arent

then they're just a rogue shadow

and hel rifle wont tell me where they are either

[past mesa]

It will tho

Because of the extra pen you might hit the shadow more often

[safe cradle]

Just had the game crash for hitting stamp screen button

[hardy grotto]

jish i have 0.1 hel gun in gtfr

why would i care

[civic wave]

i need to get in on the gtfr

[past mesa]

You do

What’s your steam id goat surely there will be no funny jokes with it

[civic wave]

like the numbers in my profile URL?

i'm so confused by this insinuation about funny jokes

[sturdy glen]

do they know

[civic wave]

evidently this goat does not know

[past mesa]

Customer randomized behaviour

Surely it will be nothing bad

[safe cradle]

Every steam account has an ID

[civic wave]

I had a feeling it could be something where you use my steam ID as a seed to randomise something

[past mesa]

Everyone has a setting specially to fuck them

[safe cradle]

You could see anyone's ID in some Steam games by just typing STATUS on any console

[frail heart]

😳

[sturdy glen]

yeah this is definitely it

surely

[safe cradle]

I'm sure there's easier ways now

[past mesa]

If (goat) goat.fuck.start

[civic wave]

please do not fuck the goat

[safe cradle]

but back in the day that was the handy dandy method to ban people when they had ascii alt+160 as a name or alt+0160 cant remember what gives the funny empty space that's not spacebar

[civic wave]

so I assume I'd just put my steam ID in the config in r2mm and then click apply config while in lobby?

[past mesa]

Na you can just check for certain steam ids when the game is looking for steam ids then flip a flag to fuck with the game

[civic wave]

interesting

consider my interest piqued

am i being fucked with right now or is it just randomiser being funny

or wait is it that regular enemies do funny things when they spawn as scout variants

I have heard doors getting broken and enemies screaming in zones I am not in

[sand birch]

Small question regarding the achievement "Biotracker" (Marking every enemy inside a completed expedition):

Does it mean marking every enemy, including ones spawned via Alarms, or does it mean every "natural" spawned enemy, aka the sleepers found inside of a fresh room.

[frail heart]

All enemies even alarm ones

[ocean spindle]

every enemy including alarms and sleeping

so it's recommended u don't go for any level with an error/extract

[sand birch]

thank you, that's what I thought but the wording was a little bit strange. 🫡

[minor fractal]

R2B1 and R1B1 are popular candidates for the cheivo.

[grizzled patrol]

I Love how the easiest way to do it is Just by abusing the Checkpoint bugs

[soft crater]

[lone mortar]

Knowing you id never can win duo r2e1

Step up ur game antares

Grrrrr

Always 17 fall dmg

[grizzled patrol]

Falldamage is Not Just a number. Its a Lifestyle

[lone mortar]

CAN YOU STOP DYING

IM SO TIRED OF 399pings WORTH OF HYBIRDS

[grizzled patrol]

Nah, hard Rocks are Just too cozy

[soft crater]

No

[lone mortar]

Atleast no snooze on the actual replay mod stuff

That im contempt with

[grizzled patrol]

Next time i will shoot you at the extract

[frail heart]

replay mod on top

[lone mortar]

Grrr go back to work

Grrrrr

[grizzled patrol]

I am at Work. I Just have some free time

[lone mortar]

Grrrr

Get back to work grrrrr

[grizzled patrol]

Ok Bahs

[green gyro]

is there any way to delete your save file on gtfo?

[silent delta]

why would u want to

[green gyro]

making a vid on it and basically playing through the whole thing again, and having a complete new save would be nice

[digital mural]

It doesnt change anything

There isnt anything to unlock other than cosmetics

[silent delta]

yeah

[digital mural]

[silent delta]

you can replay old levels

is it just for the aesthetic?

[digital mural]

Just use the default ones

[green gyro]

i know, just to document to the viewers on what has and hasnt genuinely been done yet

[silent delta]

i guess if you really wanted to you could fuck wtih the game files but thats a lot of effort you've put in to clear levels down the drain

[green gyro]

eh, beat the game already

i dont really hold sentimental value to games lol

[silent delta]

it aint sentiment its pride

i went into the complex of cbt and i won

[digital mural]

Wtf

[green gyro]

well what im doing for the vid will be a bigger type of pride

doing it fully solo

like

no bots either

[digital mural]

Oh dear

Thats going to take a fuck ton of time

Months

[green gyro]

i know,

[silent delta]

godspeed

e2 secondary solo when

[digital mural]

E2 solo imposible

:)

[silent delta]

yeah with that attitude

[green gyro]

watch me

[silent delta]

with enough kiting anything is possible

[tardy ingot]

Thats gonna require exploits

[green gyro]

nah

[silent delta]

how close have people gotten to full solo?

[green gyro]

ill figure it out

[digital mural]

Kiting for
10 hours?

[digital mural]

It's legit impossible

[tardy ingot]

Its doable. Ray litteraly did it, but you need to use exploits for it (door bug cough)

[silent delta]

i thought hinoki had gotten like everything except e1 secondary and e2

[digital mural]

Ewwwww

Door bug

Doesnt count

[tardy ingot]

E1 secondary isnt even that bad

[green gyro]

anythings possible

[tardy ingot]

I told ya, exploits

[tardy ingot]

Theres nothing to figure out

[silent delta]

sorry my bad

r4e1 secondary*

[tardy ingot]

gtfo needs you to use extremely boring cheese strats for some solos and exploits/bugs for others

[silent delta]

iTs iN tHe gAmE wHy NoT UsE iT

[digital mural]

Stfu goobhynaughty

[green gyro]

alr chat this wasnt supposed to start an arguement

[digital mural]

Ill send You to the CBT complex area @silent delta

[silent delta]

make me 😳

[silent delta]

promise??? 🥺

[digital mural]

pinky promise

:)

[tardy ingot]

Less of an argument
More a fact

Theres currently what, 4 missions not without exploits. But a few edge super close with hours of kiting and letting yourself get moved around

[silent delta]

yippee!

[tardy ingot]

honestly anyone who has beaten the whole game (including E2) would understand why its not rly doable

[digital mural]

also extremely boring

not fun

[silent delta]

idk a lot of soloing boils down to "kite forever and take 4 hours to do what should take 20 minutes"

its a test of patience as much as a test of skill

[digital mural]

everyone can shoot well
not everyone can kite for 4 hours

in my case, i suck at both

[silent delta]

war of attrition

[green gyro]

well me and my buddies were able to fly through the whole game in like 5 ish months maybe less, including all secondary and overload lvl shit

[silent delta]

HES JUST LIKE ME FR ‼️

[tardy ingot]

Theres a good lot of fun and interesting solos (some can be a grind) that can just be outskilled

But some stuff is just gruesome kiting ye

[silent delta]

r4d1 kiting is the first one that comes to mind

that one looked painful

[tardy ingot]

R4D1? Huh

[silent delta]

ik you can do it without kiting but watching hinoki do that one hurt my soul

[tardy ingot]

Isnt that done without kiting

Oh ye

[silent delta]

sawed off + hel rifle si fair and balanced

[sturdy glen]

fly and 5 months is funny

how long do you think the e2 class 6 scans take by yourself

[green gyro]

for the entirety of gtfo? id say so, plus its not like we played every day

[tardy ingot]

also 4 players =/= 1

[tardy ingot]

ammo go brrr

Heck you can see this in shitty r6b2

all group scans in the level

4 players. 6,7 sec per scan
Alone. 20

[digital mural]

20 seconds

[silent delta]

i love spending the better years of my life watching the number tick up from 1 to 100

[sturdy glen]

just think about it this way, we are trying to save you a lot of time

[digital mural]

trying

[sturdy glen]

you can do every doable level solo and thats cool

but you will not be able to do all of them

[tardy ingot]

solo is gonna be challenging but very doable until like… r2d1?

[silent delta]

is r2d1 that bad solo? the hardest thing i can think of is liek a couple class 5s and you have to deal with those in othe rlevels

[tardy ingot]

oh i mean until after

[silent delta]

yeah fair

r2d2 would be pain

is it just sawed off + hel rifle + sniper sentry + pray

[sturdy glen]

reactor waves are fun to shoot

alarm waves are not

[silent delta]

i love when im trying to shoot the hybrid and some random biter is like GET DOWN MR PRESIDENT

[tardy ingot]

The annoying thing is just how much ammo drain you get

all big reds (20 sec each)
Want foggies down
enemies keep spawning and waves get worse

[silent delta]

yeah that level can be a bit stingy with resources

[past mesa]

I think

There is this really cool thing you can do with a door

[minor fractal]

R2D2 lacks doors

impossible level

[winged turtle]

has anyone ever solo'd R1D1? that first alarm has no doorss

[hazy wedge]

Yes it has been solo'd before

Not by me tho, I died on the apex alarm 😔 never again

[tiny wyvern]

I mean if you want to go ahead don't let anyone stop you around here

Just... make sure you know what you're signing up to

and what levels are still theoretically impossible to solo

If you have any questions about it feel free to ask

[hazy wedge]

Oh I didn't read the chat. Another stubborn player who thinks they could solo the entirety of gtfo without exploits. Let them waste their time

[mossy dome]

sounds like a skill issue, just run machine pistol and short rifle with shotgun sentry

[green gyro]

i knew what i was signing up for straight from the steam page brother

[minor fractal]

What is your play for R7D1 exactly?

Or R8C1?

Or R8E2?

[tiny wyvern]

the fact you can say that means you have no idea

cause quite frankly the front page for this game only really tells you that it's hard

[hardy grotto]

do you even remember half the levels

[past mesa]

what's your favorite level

[silent delta]

yeah the first alarm is oof

you get the giants up, save shooters and giants from the alarm, kite back and forth until everything is dead

[tiny wyvern]

which levels aren't soloable rn btw jish?

[hardy grotto]

e2

r4e1

secondary

[past mesa]

so there is 3 levels that havent been done y et

to my knowledge

r7e1 r4e1 and r8e2

and of the 3 r7e1 is probs the most soloable atm

[minor fractal]

Solo up to reactor has been done already.

[past mesa]

r4e1 secondary could be completed if you seed the reactor

: )

r8e2 idk

r8e2 currently i dont see the throw line but if you could finish the both class 6s

reactor is probs doable

with either good enough spawn rng to have clear terms or something

[green gyro]

R5E1, it was a nice challenge with the immediate 100% fog

[past mesa]

did you cell skip

[green gyro]

nah

[sturdy glen]

thoughts on r7d2

[green gyro]

which one is that again?

[past mesa]

AWOL

[green gyro]

ahh

[minor fractal]

Memory stick, starts with 5 charger scout room, very combat-heavy.

[green gyro]

yep

it was decent, when i was playing with my buddies it took a few tries since we tried doing all of r7 in one night, we did not acomplish it

i had work the next day and the others were already pissed with how much we died

[past mesa]

does one of your buddies play the game without you

cause r7 in one night is kinda nutty ngl

[green gyro]

yea

[past mesa]

ah

[green gyro]

she already beat the game by the time our entire team was at R6

[past mesa]

they are probs a regular then

[green gyro]

yep

im still a little bit of a rookie when it comes to gtfo, so honestly im also doing the solo challenge to get better

the goal is to beat the game and im gonna try my hardest

but it might not succeed so im not having the highest hopes

[tiny wyvern]

have you tried soloing r1c1 before btw

[past mesa]

yeah r4e1 r7e1 and r8e2 are kinda hard nuts to crack

[past mesa]

XD

XD

XD

XD

[minor fractal]

Reminder Sawed-off / HEL Rifle is in the game.

[green gyro]

havent played an R1 lvl in forever dude, which one is that lol

[tiny wyvern]

the first reactor 🙂

[past mesa]

the reactor

the wall

it is so funny

[green gyro]

oh yea

i am NOT gonna have fun with reactor lvls

[tiny wyvern]

I think it's the easiest one to solo right?

[green gyro]

yea

it is

from what i know anyway i might be wrong

[green gyro]

well technically they should get harder as you progress the game, so it seems pretty obvious if its the easiest one too,

[minor fractal]

R3A3 might be easier.

[past mesa]

no

this isnt the case

[tiny wyvern]

^

[past mesa]

r1d1 is way eaiser for players than r1c1

[tiny wyvern]

I mean on r3a3 you do need to turn around every few waves

[green gyro]

fair,

[past mesa]

that might make it easier

just have to know timings

[minor fractal]

It's not actually too bad.

[tiny wyvern]

huh well that's neat

[minor fractal]

On Sawed-off/HEL Rifle, one weapon solos each side.

Because power creep

[green gyro]

i wanna hop in vc with like a gtfo pro and play a few games with them and see how much i can adapt from them, cuz i act all tuff in the game but im still pretty shit imo

[past mesa]

i mean you want to learn solo gameplay vs team

[sturdy glen]

did you guys do PE clears btw

[green gyro]

my team?

if so yea

[sturdy glen]

yea

[green gyro]

i think we didnt do one in like R5 maybe? i dont remember the rundown

but

[sturdy glen]

fair

[past mesa]

XD

[green gyro]

other than that we got all prisoner efficiency

[past mesa]

good luck tho

[green gyro]

thank you

[past mesa]

maybe start with r1b1 solo achivment

if you havent yet

[green gyro]

im still deciding if i want to do PE or not yet

i prob will but depends on the difficulty

[past mesa]

Solo with bots?

Or just by yourself

[green gyro]

no bots

just me by my lonesome with friends who are there for mental support lmao

[past mesa]

Yeah a lot of the missions solo take a few hours to do

On the successful attempt

[tardy ingot]

R6CX too

[past mesa]

Seems like tenip just plays the level and they just randomly get stuck in the latest clear idk what happen but alt R6cx doesn’t have very good pathing

[tardy ingot]

yea alt r6 has a completely different stuck issue

[tiny wyvern]

I always wanted to ask, but how does overload of R8C1 work for solo?

[strange jolt]

you gamble

[past mesa]

Get lucky or die

Kite forever some enemy doesn’t really matter who

[strange jolt]

probably have to go for the same middle term every time

[tardy ingot]

hope for any inner terminal

[wet bear]

Roll your dice, you either die or not die

[tardy ingot]

since it will be the same for each zone in each run yes

its a 1/64 if you wanna straight up skip it

if you kite you just gotta roll enough to get it

[strange jolt]

idk how many close spawns there are for middle term where its possible to run for the timer

[tardy ingot]

All of them

[strange jolt]

makes sense

[tardy ingot]

so 5

[strange jolt]

oh cool

[tardy ingot]

but its a 1/4 anyhow

[strange jolt]

thought there were some terms that isnt possible to run back to main in time

[tardy ingot]

If you have „con“ pre typed all work reliably

[tiny wyvern]

so it was as faqed as I thought it was

nice

[lone mortar]

when stream

[finite oracle]

in r2d1 does the disinfection zone door have an alarm after getting the key or is it just a security scan sequence

[wet bear]

No alarm iirc

[finite oracle]

do you need to go through rooms to get to it or is it right there one the door opens

[wet bear]

Iirc it's teamscan and nothing more

[wet bear]

It's one room zone

[finite oracle]

ok

[wet bear]

Disinfection is on the left side, right can contain med iirc

[ocean spindle]

u just gotta commit to disinfect zone cause it's like cleaning the entire east zone

something that u never have to do unless u want the disinfect zone

[finite oracle]

does it contain a cell aswell?

[ocean spindle]

disinfect zone i don't believe so but by the time u get there u have all cells already

[wet bear]

Disinfection zone no

[finite oracle]

ok

[ocean spindle]

one in they key, two in the east, think u would just need one more

or

no yeah it's 5

i was rlly overthinking there lol

[wet bear]

Slendo the thinker

[ocean spindle]

yes

i thought it was 4 cells for a second

nuh it's 5

[tiny wyvern]

it's five

The math for r2d1 is weird

mainly cause scout zone

and the fact one cell floats around two alarms

[ocean spindle]

it's a lil funky but it's not bad

[tiny wyvern]

for first timers that don't understand this game can sometimes be a puzzle game

it's really fun

but for people who's done it before the logic is simple

[soft crater]

You either look up guides. Or someone you meet in LFG is kindly and willing to explain mechanics in-depth.

Assuming they want to know not caring for spoilers on game mechanics

having to explain to Hange Old Helgun could shoot fast was because of 0.1 charge up was funny

Not because of Shot delay

[mossy dome]

honestly I feel like there is a big gap on later-game tutorials for players

there are tons of tricks and optimizations I've learned from lobbies that are nowhere on youtube/wiki/elsewhere

[wet bear]

You shoot enemy dies, you bonk enemy dies, it's easy and don't need a tutorial

[mossy dome]

real

[red flax]

I forget, was the shotgun bug that made them shoot weird fixed?

[soft crater]

Muted allowed only if you're the GOAT

[soft crater]

Sway bug. Shotguns shot where the gun was physically pointed instead of center at the crosshairs.
But yes. This is fixed.

[tardy ingot]

A lot of them just hinge on knowing specific behaviours and applying them

like, knowing how far mines aggro in r8d2

I should rly do the alarm/reactor guide once i have my new mic
Maybe in october

[soft crater]

Lurking LFGs as a muted player. So ofc.

[mossy dome]

what's wrong with knowing my limitations as a player and wanting to enjoy the game?

[wet bear]

You should do that with new pc, and not mic

[mossy dome]

i know i'm not good enough to carry harder levels for a mute that doesn't know how to play or communicate 🤷

[soft crater]

Eva asmr

[soft crater]

It's just the implications with how you phrased it.

[mossy dome]

it's not that deep i wrote in in 3 seconds in archive

if you have a suggestion on better phrasing feel free to offer

[lone mortar]

We need @tardy ingot to lower the moan back to its original channel points

[tribal ember]

@shadow flower
I've been advised to ask you.

Context: I can play GTFO only with skilled players but my wife is not one of them and other my regular team members either.
Question: Can you add difficulty levels?
I know that it's difficult to balance difficulty levels. Also it requires testing.
Possible solution: adding options allowing to change difficulty. For example: health, amount of ammo on levels, health of enemies, weapon demage, etc.
Also I suppose that there is a much easier solution: dev console just like in Counter strike. I think it already exists but it's blocked for gamers. To unblock it and provide commands for it is really not a big deal.

[frail heart]

Development of the game is over. This is meant to be a hard game, the difficulty is in the tiers, with A tiers being the easiest and E tiers being the hardest. Also just adding a dev console isnt "not a big deal" :)

[upper ginkgo]

there's mods that add "difficulty" scaling if you want that

but as frosty said, development for the game is over so it's highly unlikely any new features will be added

[tiny wyvern]

pinging calle probably isn't doing you favors, this is a channel for community help now

Like tech support

And lore support

and basically everything

[upper ginkgo]

this is dr. rebecca stokes

[tardy ingot]

as others have said. The game development is over

There are mods, but they also arent great
A far better option to think about is that this game is far less difficult than you might think. It definetly expects the players to be somewhat comfortable in a shooter setting. But most of this games difficulty for 80% of the levels is based on not knowing how to sneak, stealth kill, use tools to defend alarms and use terminals to loot. None of which are hard to do once learned

[tiny wyvern]

We could possibly give you advice on how to perform better
Like basic skills for safe play

[tribal ember]

Adding a dev console is not a big deal if it already exist

[upper ginkgo]

there's a mod that implements a dev console

[tiny wyvern]

^

[upper ginkgo]

but im not sure what type of functionality you want from it

[tardy ingot]

dev console is pretty much just cheating tho

[frail heart]

It would probably ruin pubs and matchmaking

So it kind of is lmao

[upper ginkgo]

CcConsole is what the mod is called

[tiny wyvern]

@tribal ember You can go to our modding discord for the mod and how to use it

[civic wave]

CConsole, actually 💔

[tardy ingot]

id far rather point you towards guides than mods that make the game easier

making it easier organically as a far better way

also holy hell, some of those mods have completely arbitrary changes (team it changes ||mega mom|| hp to like 150 total)

[upper ginkgo]

omg another blunder

[tribal ember]

what consequences does cheating bring to me? I'm going to play with friends only

[tiny wyvern]

None

[frail heart]

Other people?!?!?!

[tiny wyvern]

As long as they don't know no one would actually care

[civic wave]

you won't be getting the authentic experience, if that bothers you

[upper ginkgo]

wtf the poor dude just wants to enjoy the game

[tardy ingot]

why play a game to cheat tho :o?

this game is partially build around being a challenge. If you walk through it warps the experiences of the game into something far worse

[upper ginkgo]

let him enjoy it the way he wants to

[tiny wyvern]

Yep

[civic wave]

yeah I mean if they want to go down the path of game modifications then they can

I don't endorse it but I'm not going to step on your toes

[tardy ingot]

in general, yes voxy
but cheats (and mods that work like cheats) rarely give someone a better experience when they havent even learned the games base mechanics yet

(which this game doesnt do a good job of teaching usually)

[upper ginkgo]

I don't think that's your call to make

[tardy ingot]

oh its not my call to make what they decide to do in the end

[tiny wyvern]

I don't think he's looking for those things

[frail heart]

he was saying to add dev console to base game, disregarding the fact it would ruin not playing with friends

[tardy ingot]

but its a very very easy call to make in general

LOL

[tiny wyvern]

If he is he'd probs ask us

[wet bear]

Please don't tag devs I don't want another fucking update so it bricks all mods

[tribal ember]

It's for my wife. I have no problems with challenge.

[tiny wyvern]

lol

[tardy ingot]

often (not saying its the case here) people who ask for this struggle with the base mechanics (see steam forum)

[civic wave]

there is a point to be made somewhere, if they like the vibe of the game but not the difficulty then whatever, but if it's done courtesy should still be taken (as in not being obtuse about clearing levels or that kind of thing)

[tiny wyvern]

How do you usually play with your team?

[wet bear]

Let them think there's no more of this discord Kappa

[tardy ingot]

what is the issue specifically

[civic wave]

i really cannot be bothered spending ages to most properly articulate what i want to say, the general idea is good enough

[tiny wyvern]

Is it the lag or something technical

[tardy ingot]

id presume if its their wife they life together

so ping would be less of an issue

actually

knowing gtfo

LOL

[tiny wyvern]

you'd be surprised

That's why I'm asking

Specifically because I know

[tardy ingot]

unlikely to be the cause tho with what theyve said

[tiny wyvern]

Yea tru

[tribal ember]

We play games with difficulty levels

[frail heart]

This game does have that

[tardy ingot]

the question is, whats the struggle/issue with the current difficulty rn in gtfo for your wife?

[tardy ingot]

indirectly

[frail heart]

eh

[wet bear]

I have 999 ping with guys from my city so yeah it's ass and we love this ass

[tiny wyvern]

Do you wake up rooms easily?
this should be the question honestly
cause this game has punishing stealth

(not really)

(but for the sake of argument let's just call it that)

[tribal ember]

She's not a good FPS player so usually I have a task how to make her experience better😀

[tribal ember]

Aim, lack of ammo, for example

[wet bear]

🐟

[tardy ingot]

hmm
well the fps part becomes pretty important at a certain point. But to enjoy this game you dont actually need to shoot (or aim much)
theres points where you take guns that work by just tagging enemies at all (hel auto pistol) or where you force enemies to walk down a specific line and you dont have to aim much

The other half of this game is strategizing, melee kills in stealth and using terminals

ammo is actually quite abundant if you use terminals to find the loot

[civic wave]

you have more ammo to spare as well if you utilise tools well

e.g using burst sentry for waves instead of auto sentry

[upper ginkgo]

boosters also act as a pseudo difficulty modifier, so that's also an option

[tardy ingot]

^

and while most players dont condone mods that keep them around. If you rly want a difficulty modifier that isnt as rng as the current booster system then theres mods like perfect boosters to have them permanently

[wet bear]

And at max positive value*

[tiny wyvern]

You can also look up some qol mods

[tribal ember]

When we played CS GO I added health to her until she started playing better. She doesn't like steep learning curves.

[tardy ingot]

weeeeell
this might not be the game for her

[tiny wyvern]

Eva's right

[tardy ingot]

have you tried deep rock galactic?

[tribal ember]

yes

[tardy ingot]

[little pilot]

I would recommend if u really want to: Introduce mechanics one by one in this case: on alarms try to do more work yourself while she gets accustomed to killing in stealth

[tardy ingot]

but yea, the only way to really reduce this games learning curve is to look up every possible information there is
but that also reduces the possible experience in this game

[wet bear]

learn - practice in game, learn - practice in game

[tiny wyvern]

Eva wasn't there other rundowns (modded) with like less difficulty?
I think those might serve his purposes

[little pilot]

I found that it is possible to make the learning curve less steep but how steep and whether or not they like it is still a question.

[tardy ingot]

this tho
this game is sectioned into different things until you reach a certain few levels. Get her to learn stealth and why to set up how for an alarm

[wet bear]

no

[tribal ember]

Why not? If she has a chance to adapt without too much pain, I think it'll work

[stiff hearth]

Risk of Rain 2 with command artifact

[wet bear]

There's an EASY mode in some rundowns but that's still harder than vanilla in some terms KEKW

[tardy ingot]

this game has a steep learning curve even for people who like this usually
It also doesnt teach most of the things youd want to learn ingame

[little pilot]

I do disagree with eva on this one. If the issue isn't the difficulty itself but the learning curve, she can eventually enjoy the game and even learning how to play it with the right group of people

[tardy ingot]

up to a certain point yes
but they also said shooters arent her forte

[wet bear]

Just learn game by practice and small steps and eventually maybe something will happen

[little pilot]

tbf u fucking say that xd

not like shooters are the bane of ur existence

[tiny wyvern]

@tribal ember are you playing chronologically through the game?

If the learning curve is your problem

Maybe we could just tell you to do the A levels instead

Those are the easiest

And people can easily get comfy in them

[little pilot]

but yeah, i'd say perfect boosters might also work, just dont abuse them. Try to not use too broken ones and dont ever rely on them. Just use the mod to make it less annoying to have to rng your way through the booster system

[tiny wyvern]

We'll point you in the right direction and you can see if it works

[tribal ember]

We play Left 4 dead 2 on Advanced mode with realism but to reach this level I made learning curve very easy.

[little pilot]

ok yea gtfo should not be a problem in the end

[tiny wyvern]

Well maybe just doing A levels first is better for you then?

The learning curve this game has if you stick to the bare minimum, easiest parts aren't too bad

[tardy ingot]

hm?

i meant shooter games for their wife

[little pilot]

oh ok i see, i thought u meant the enemy xd

[hard nexus]

how many hrs u reckon

[tiny wyvern]

good question

[little pilot]

that entirely depends on the player

for someone it can be 50, for someone else it can be 5000

[hard nexus]

i "locked in" at 100-200, "got gud" at 500

[tribal ember]

Even A levels make her suffer.

[tiny wyvern]

How so?

Does she die constantly?

[hard nexus]

i think when u say 5000 ur overexaggerating