Cause the side room
#gtfo-related-questions
mighty bison
minor fractal
Locking side room doesn't benefit you almost at all
mighty bison
oh
minor fractal
Optimal strat tends to be leaving that door open, and closing it if a scan paths to that spot.
past mesa
Side room is purely for scan pull to right beside door
tardy ingot
first surge you rly dont need to be using any tool (maybe 1 mine if a scan goes close to the door)
mighty bison
ah
Ok
Should there be a guy that is like the infection guy
for the full infection part thing
minor fractal
It's not really necessary. Bio leads people to the scouts, you kill the scouts, and either you continue to stealth or you pull the zone.
tardy ingot
you get a fog turbine 3 zones in and you get fog repellers for the first alarm (3-4 fogs being deployed is enough to last)
silent delta
i mean you have enough disinfect that someone could go fogdiving if they wanted to but you dont have to
or just bring boosters to make you immune to infection ez game
/j
mighty bison
True
Also there is also another door before the apex door
with like resources and a cell
silent delta
do the apex surge first
silent delta
no
if you dont, then the only way the surge can come from is the ladder you came down
one point of entry
ez to turret
tardy ingot
you should only go in there if you are rly dry on ressources once you have neonate
silent delta
or to ladderfoam if your party is ok with ladderfoaming
mighty bison
Last time i got there we got overwhelmed at the third scan ish
minor fractal
It's "free" to go to after surge
silent delta
<:Bonk:944452037784006656>
hey its in the game bruh, not saying i endorse it but like it or not its effective
minor fractal
but if you do it before surge, you almost guarantee you just die
silent delta
but if you do it before surge, you almost guarantee you just die
can confirm
tardy ingot
Last time i got there we got overwhelmed at the third scan ish
place 2 sentries, have someone on hel shotgun, hel auto pistol and or combat shotgun and help the team not get wiped by a few stragglers
tardy ingot
hey its in the game bruh, not saying i endorse it but like it or not its effecti...
dont recommend it to beginners tho
tardy ingot
use terminals
silent delta
he is at r2e1, i assumed he had some experience
but point taken
tardy ingot
its basically always the answer
past mesa
Q2………..
silent delta
use terminals to check if there are necessary resources behind the door
i.e. a cell behind the cell door
tardy ingot
@silent delta ladder foam is basically an exploit. People dont know it
mighty bison
M
mighty bison
Ik ladder foaming used it a bit
silent delta
<@682620270783365232> ladder foam is basically an exploit. People dont know it
lmao i was playing with some irl buddies who had no idea about ladderfoam and just chucked two nades right on the ladder because "its a choke"
silent delta
accidentally ladderfoamed the whole alarm
mighty bison
place 2 sentries, have someone on hel shotgun, hel auto pistol and or combat sho...
should I run a scatter
or just dont
silent delta
why u wanna run scatter
tardy ingot
minor fractal
You aren't actually at the hard part of the level
mighty bison
i kinda just ran it for two runs and it killed the big
minor fractal
which is why I think you should just play R3.
narrow niche
is this r2e1
silent delta
if you want something to kill bigs, burst cannon might be better for r2e1, its more versatile against smalls
narrow niche
for the nth time
minor fractal
Scatter is really good for shadow stealth, it's just not what you should optimize for.
mighty bison
if you want something to kill bigs, burst cannon might be better for r2e1, its m...
ok
minor fractal
If you really want to, it's not a bad idea to skill prog to getting neonate.
fallen kite
is this r2e1
The vets gathering together to host the next R2E1 seminar in the gtfo-related-questions channel after hearing the cries of a newbie who cannot get past the first surge alarm
minor fractal
But after you've gotten neonate once, you should just play through easier content.
fallen kite
( they want to say skill issue but cant because the newbie will get mad )
fallen kite
no 2 room spawns >:(
bro just run in circles
silent delta
yeah i know how to do that
fallen kite
the sleepers are 🧠 🧼
silent delta
the randoms dont >:(
fallen kite
💀
mighty bison
First surge i just kinda do all the scans and ignore the enemies as much as i can and run the the slope at the side room after scan finish
silent delta
i can evade the sleepers but oftentimes my teammates can't and then one of them goes down
and then we have to hold off the surge to res
big stinky mess
silent delta
First surge i just kinda do all the scans and ignore the enemies as much as i ca...
yeah pretty much, try to focus on running rather than shooting unless you're standing in the scan
minor fractal
Me begging my pub to stop shooting the enemies and actually make distance.
mighty bison
I mean i havent really been stuck cause if only ran the level like 5 times ish
cant find anyone whos is willing to play tbh
I have been just playing other levels if i dont feel like r2e1
fallen kite
play R3
minor fractal
It's enjoyed a bit less relative to other E-tiers, and is also a magnet for fresh players that stumbled through R1-R2 and are now woefully incompetent relative to the content they're playing.
narrow niche
I have been just playing other levels if i dont feel like r2e1
other levels as in?
fallen kite
R3 is short, fun, and D1 will teach u to move your ass in a more gentle way than R2E1 does
mighty bison
other levels as in?
I played like a few r4 and r3 levels with a friend
and like two r5s
and played an r8a1
tried r8c1
think thats all
mighty bison
R3 is short, fun, and D1 will teach u to move your ass in a more gentle way than...
so is r3 just like
easier
silent delta
r3 is substantially easier
prime musk
can moving while crouched soft alert a scout (trigger an early extension of feelers?)
tardy ingot
wat
silent delta
shouldnt
fallen kite
can moving while crouched soft alert a scout (trigger an early extension of feel...
no
silent delta
flashlight/sprinting are the main ways
silent delta
or walking i guess
minor fractal
To my knowledge, crouching can.
tardy ingot
crouching should work like walking on them basically no?
fallen kite
yeah
prime musk
nono i didn't trigger i just thought about maneuvering with knife to get in position with knife
prime musk
not with knife when it's walking towards me
fallen kite
ok maybe not
mighty bison
Can knife even kill feelers
silent delta
not with knife when it's walking towards me
coward
silent delta
Can knife even kill feelers
back of head only
prime musk
with sledge that's what i do (run and jump)
tardy ingot
not with knife when it's walking towards me
jump to the side
and do sick hit
no balls
prime musk
oh right i only need to hit back multi from knife
mighty bison
pretend to be spy in tf2 and face stab that scout
prime musk
not back multi for all weapon
prime musk
do you do have 180 degrees of freedom
minor fractal
do you do have 180 degrees of freedom
No, not sure what current minimum angle is though.
prime musk
isn't knfie backstab multi 1.7x
tardy ingot
yes
minor fractal
If backstab multi gives you a kill breakpoint, then whatever the backstab requirement is.
Check knife wiki page probably
prime musk
yeah so full charge knife with no 2x for back deals 14.025
eg with head multi it kills
eg 180 degrees of freedom
minor fractal
Backstab is tighter than 180 iirc
prime musk
oh it is?
tardy ingot
is the back hit multiplier only for melee
melee, guns and specifically hel auto sentry
prime musk
i assumed it was "if normal back multi applies, so does the 1.7x"
mighty bison
So like if I have a sniper pointed to a head, it will do more damage if Im behind him
fallen kite
yeah
mighty bison
Ooo
minor fractal
i assumed it was "if normal back multi applies, so does the 1.7x"
The angle is apparently ~56.6 degrees.
Backstab is completely separate from back multi, and also uses the enemy's chestbone orientation rather than enemy facing direction.
tardy ingot
So like if I have a sniper pointed to a head, it will do more damage if Im behin...
yea but this doesnt rly matter for sniper (and youd be playing sniper)
mighty bison
True
fallen kite
snipers great
mighty bison
No head ?
fallen kite
no head
mighty bison
:((
wet bear
No head
prime musk
The angle is apparently ~56.6 degrees.
Backstab is completely separate from b...
augh why is everything so arbitrary and everything
wet bear
Because it's GTFO
past mesa
augh why is everything so arbitrary and everything
We didn’t make it that way
past mesa
How could I not you mean
finite oracle
what weapons can 1 shot the ||charger scouts||
silent delta
any gun that does 30 damage can do it from behind. alternatively, scatter or bc from the front
tardy ingot
which means
scattergun (front)
burst cannon (front, needs full burst tho)
choke mod (front if spammed with 2 hits, otherwise back in 1)
hel rifle
shotgun
high cal
sawed off
sniper
silent delta
you can also do it with revolver 🙃
safe cradle
With Shotgun, if you wanna 1shot charger scout, make sure you're behind and kinda close
hushed stratus
can anyone explain why steam wont give me the "die together" achievement evon though i have failed plenty of missions?
digital mural
can anyone explain why steam wont give me the "die together" achievement evon th...
full team?
hushed stratus
full team?
if you mean full team of actuall people yes
digital mural
make sure everyone is in a fresh GTFO session
if not, everyone should restart the game
hushed stratus
if not, everyone should restart the game
thanks for info
grizzled patrol
can anyone explain why steam wont give me the "die together" achievement evon th...
MTFO?
hushed stratus
MTFO?
i have used it before yes and allowed it to give me achievements, and i have got one with mtfo before, i just cant get die together for some reason
grizzled patrol
Could be a desynch issue. Already Had moments when it took a while for the Game to realise that the achivement were completed
red flax
Try dying on a mission you haven't died on yet if you can, that's what got me the achievement (I think at least)
hushed stratus
Try dying on a mission you haven't died on yet if you can, that's what got me t...
i have also doen this before
prime musk
does the r3c1 error alarm have it's own special spawn mechanics
because enemies sure aren't adhering to two rooms away
native sun
It is a 2 room error, but you might get tricked by rooms which don't have a door between them, "open room dividers"
prime musk
im for sure not
native sun
I think one of the HSU zones has one, area A and area B have no door between them, but they still count as different rooms
prime musk
4 min im drawing
minor fractal
There are also some tiles w/ buggy room distance behavior, but I don't think R3C1 has issues in particular.
prime musk
i have been standing at yellow dot and getting chargers attacking me with both doors cfoamed (im blocking the red x)
this should only be possible if all my team is in the very deepest room, 17C
but at that point we hadn't even opened the door to C
native sun
Ah okay, so this is a small misunderstanding in how spawn blocking works
minor fractal
If nobody is in the red X room, they can spawn in 17A
native sun
If you are 3 rooms away from your teammates they can spawn 1 room away from you
native sun
"You block adjacent rooms" isn't 100% true, you block adjacent rooms when you are 'daisy chained' with your teammates
Think of it as player islands, they have to spawn 2 rooms from a player island, but you can only push that away by making your island bigger, not by adding another island
Player islands don't block for each other
past mesa
^
floral acorn
the r6c2 effect.. split team, clearers go 1 room too far, chargers spawn in the middle
silent delta
death
native sun
When islands are 2 rooms away players can get spawned on, when they're 3 away then they can both have spawns in their adjacent rooms (in either of the two rooms between them)
And when you're 4 away you're back to normal with them only spawning in between, 2 rooms from both islands
prime musk
i see
civic wave
I like to think of it as being in an adjacent room makes it "one big room" for spawning rules
past mesa
So how does it determine which player is spawn centre agin true
twin hamlet
a monkey picks it
silent delta
real
past mesa
^ pretty much
twin hamlet
or it's Dauda 
silent delta
the game interally assesses the state of schrodinger's cat and decides based on that
prime musk
this makes sense and i hate it
past mesa
It is closer course node to alive player then chose direction according to roll right
prime musk
oh well at least i can work around it
silent delta
this makes sense and i hate it
you'll get a feel for spawn mechanics
for r3c1, chargers spawning bad is a bit of a theme lmao
broken zealot
hello guys, i want to run the 0.7 build (which i do have, mostly because i love playing unreleased versions of games) it launches normally, and then says "Error Code: NoSnet", and yes i did place it in the steamapps folder
prime musk
actually does this apply for reactors too? as in, reactor room counts as a player adding to the island?
twin hamlet
Here is not the place to talk about old builds of the game
silent delta
reactors usually have unique spawn rules
broken zealot
where do i go for that?
silent delta
or at lesat some of them do
past mesa
Unfortunately we can’t help you here
minor fractal
Nowhere, lmao
silent delta
a lot of reactors only spawn enemies in one direction
twin hamlet
The devs don't want it, so nowhere
silent delta
where do i go for that?
legacy builds aren't supported by the devs or this server, sadly
would the modding server be helpful for that?
past mesa
No where above ground
past mesa
would the modding server be helpful for that?
No
broken zealot
would the modding server be helpful for that?
probably, moving there, thanks man
past mesa
Something something something new content 🤮
silent delta
theyd probably be less likely to burn you at the stake than the admins here at least
civic wave
where do i go for that?
if you send me screenshots of what you're doing I might be able to help
silent delta
tru look away
twin hamlet
minor fractal
reactors usually have unique spawn rules
Reactor waves tend to either be:
- Elevator Zone
- Furthest from reactor + 2 rooms
- Spawn points
past mesa
So I wrote scripted to force kracken into attack phase
prime musk
what is elevator zone
past mesa
And it literally didn’t even work
minor fractal
what is elevator zone
Zone you spawn in
native sun
It is closer course node to alive player then chose direction according to roll ...
I cannot recall, might be worth checking, there might be some probability stuff that pops out.
Like if you're 3-1 split who ends up actually being most likely do get spawned from
prime musk
i see
past mesa
I cannot recall, might be worth checking, there might be some probability stuff ...
I think it is closest alive player to course node then choose a direction
minor fractal
Which is why in some reactors, if you are literally in spawn they can spawn behind you.
prime musk
i haven't encountered any reactors that aren't just furtherst from reactor +2 but eventually ill find them ig
minor fractal
Or otherwise pushed too far, like R6D3
past mesa
i haven't encountered any reactors that aren't just furtherst from reactor +2 bu...
You have you just haven’t seen the effects
silent delta
r6d3 and r4e1 secondary come to mind
past mesa
Like r2d2
minor fractal
R6D3, if you are in B of first zone, every surrounding viable room is 1 away.
silent delta
r2d2 has some funny spawning
i didnt actually know reactor room didnt count as one of the two
that explains a lot
native sun
hello guys, i want to run the 0.7 build (which i do have, mostly because i love ...
Ye, pretty much what others said, devs don't support the old versions so it is best to avoid discussion here.
You might have more luck on the modded server, but even there they focus on making new content, though you might find an individual person there happy to help (Goat has already offerred)
silent delta
i was always like "god damn they spawn so far away"
twin hamlet
So I wrote scripted to force kracken into attack phase
Anything related to that man is just broken as fuck
past mesa
Anything related to that man is just broken as fuck
He needs
twin hamlet
The definition of hardcoded
twin hamlet
LMAO
past mesa
So I am trying to force the terminal command to run at the start of every level
then I will need to enable his weak points by hand
Because that also breaks
LOVELY
twin hamlet
You can't just enable them in Unity?
prime musk
You have you just haven’t seen the effects
idk
i have only played r1c1, r2d2, r3a3, r4b1, r4d1 and r5b1 reactors
twin hamlet
Bear in mind they are an enemy customisation, just like the tank bubbles etc
prime musk
and i think all of those are the furthest +2
past mesa
idk
i have only played r1c1, r2d2, r3a3, r4b1, r4d1 and r5b1 reactors
R2d2 has 5 plus room spawns
minor fractal
R2D2 and R3A3 have from elevator on the first few waves.
twin hamlet
They are always enabled
Have you checked with Unity explorer that they're actually there
minor fractal
R2D2 also has each of its first waves from elevator.
native sun
@minor fractal
If reactor wave is set to elevator:
- If you are in B of first zone they will spawn in A
- If you are in A of first zone wtf happens
prime musk
R2D2 and R3A3 have from elevator on the first few waves.
this is just furthest room +2
past mesa
they thing is lit up geeen it is wild
prime musk
for both of them
minor fractal
<@111990475744944128>
If reactor wave is set to elevator:
- If you are in B of f...
They spawn in B
twin hamlet
I'll fuck with it at some point Jish
minor fractal
Because B is 1 away, and in elevator
twin hamlet
let you know how it goes
past mesa
Don’t worry I just make a new build everyday and it is jus more and more fucked
minor fractal
In theory if you had a line of A-B-C, where A and C aren't connected...
I am fairly sure they would spawn in C if you stood in A and A or C if you stood in B.
past mesa
Wait are we not even talking about global reactor push with zed anymore
minor fractal
But I think the devs have intentionally avoided any kind of layout that would cause that
native sun
Oh so elevator zone is important as well
past mesa
We are talking about from evaluator
past mesa
Oh so elevator zone is important as well
Yeah enum 6 forces them from that exact zone
minor fractal
I should check what the wave 1 R4D1 setting is, and see if it behaves like I think it should.
past mesa
It is real Ray
twin hamlet
I swear R4D1's waves are set to "Spawn as far as possible and get stuck literally everywhere"
past mesa
I got annoyed by it when making levels
native sun
I thought from elevator used some funky pathfinding to just pick a room that was on path to elevator, but it is just forced to be that zone in particular?
past mesa
I swear R4D1's waves are set to "Spawn as far as possible and get stuck literall...
Global spawn push
minor fractal
I swear R4D1's waves are set to "Spawn as far as possible and get stuck literall...
It's global spawn push
native sun
I swear R4D1's waves are set to "Spawn as far as possible and get stuck literall...
Reactor hold goes hard
minor fractal
if you defend in reactor, it doesn't happen
past mesa
reactors are very good
minor fractal
same for R2D2
minor fractal
You can finish every R2D2 wave w/ 30-40 seconds remaining.
past mesa
If a single player steps into bridge
It fucks the wave spawns
On all sides
Pushes them 3 rooms away from reactor
set 2 rooms away from your side of reactor and they will go 4 rooms and so on
native sun
And every single side has a full bridge tile
past mesa
Full 64 tile
native sun
R4D1 just kinda disgusting
past mesa
Can’t you like perma force the waves only to come from one zone
Like the blood door zone
Or spawn
native sun
Is this why R4E1 has secondary all the way back at the start. Because it was easier to just force the zone there so that elevator zone is nearby rather than fixing directional spawning?
minor fractal
R4D1 apparently never uses FromElevator, so can't really check that one.
prime musk
r4d1 waves just contain no enemies
past mesa
Does r4e1 use from elevator
past mesa
r4d1 waves just contain no enemies
Not to many
prime musk
never had backspawn issues that are anywhere near other reactors
native sun
Does r4e1 use from elevator
Well they don't ever back spawn
past mesa
it is much better if you never leave the reactor room
zed
Spawn are much more reasonable
prime musk
im aware
minor fractal
Oh, right, I forgot that R4E1 is the best case for spawn behavior
Because understanding FromElevator is what lets you set up the weirder holds solo
prime musk
on d1 specifically i haven't had issues and on other missions we have found workarounds
prime musk
R2D2 and R3A3 have from elevator on the first few waves.
but like back to this
the first 4 waves of both r2d2 and r3a3 not backspawning is entirely consistent with global spawnpushing, because you only open up 2 rooms deep in each direction (for r3a3) eg standing one room outside reactor blocks them entirely and a single room in r2d2 (which is always blocked due to being reactor adjacent)
furthermore enemies can backspawn in r3a3 first codehunt zone if you stand in main
minor fractal
but like back to this
the first 4 waves of both r2d2 and r3a3 not backspawning i...
If you stand in A they will spawn in B
prime musk
because i have had it happen to me in solos
native sun
If you stand in A they will spawn in B
And if it wasn't FromElevator they would spawn on top of you(?)
minor fractal
I believe so, yes.
prime musk
If you stand in A they will spawn in B
what do you mean by this
minor fractal
If you stand in the very first room of the level, FromElevator waves prefer to spawn between you and reactor
prime musk
this is still consistent with just spawnblocking adjacent rooms though?
(+ global blocking in reactors)
minor fractal
Wym?
prime musk
assume that the only rules from reactor spawning are
- global pushing
- no enemies on top of you or adjacent rooms
-no enemies in reactor or adjacent rooms
that still explains all the behaviour in r2d2 and r3a3s first 4 waves
minor fractal
"No enemies on top of you" is not technically a rule.
And neither that or adjacency applies to global push
prime musk
im either terrible at reading or this is never explained properly anywhere or it's just a horribly inconsistent system
guessing all of them
minor fractal
But I'm specifically referring to a code thing.
The reason I think FromElevator is used in these waves is partly because of wave behavior, but I first became aware they were set up this way in datablocks
It's just also consistent w/ how the spawns behave.
prime musk
are these datablocks available anywhere
native sun
I believe so, yes.
Confirmed. Standing in elevator on R1C1 forces them to spawn on top of you
prime musk
It's just also consistent w/ how the spawns behave.
i suppose this makes sense (though this also means that backspawns are are deliberate "feature" (agony)
minor fractal
Oh, actually, this is a thing that happens in R3A3
If you stand in B, you can get C spawns
prime musk
so those spawns aren't FromElevator(?)
tired aurora
If you stand in B, you can get C spawns
I think it's more of "you will" than "you can"
prime musk
which is different from FromElevator(?)
native sun
which is different from FromElevator(?)
No, same thing
tired aurora
everytime i stepped into B half the wave spawned in C
prime musk
killing myself i just need to read the source at this point
prime musk
If you stand in B, you can get C spawns
so why does this happen in r3a3 but not in r1c1 then?
minor fractal
No, same thing
They are different, because the FromElevator setting for non-reactor waves can spawn enemies out of elevator zone
prime musk
wait r1c1 just has A and B doesn't it
minor fractal
so why does this happen in r3a3 but not in r1c1 then?
R1C1 uses exclusively global spawn push
Specifically becuase the devs don't want enemies spawning 20 rooms away
It's similar for R5B1 Overload
InElevatorZone is excessively far away from where the reactor actually is.
prime musk
i think i might just give up on understanding spawns until someone makes a doc i can read on every detail
there are no rules, just exceptions
ocean spindle
that's so game development
hazy wedge
We love spawns coming from the elevator zone
past mesa
what are some really fun weapons
s awd off burst cannon
mighty bison
So
ocean spindle
pistol
mighty bison
all hels
ocean spindle
pretty much
past mesa
SAWD OFF SHOTGun
ocean spindle
i like smg for the funny and it is not that terrible
past mesa
pdw sniper
ocean spindle
i think machinegun is legit very fun even if u don't use it well
fallen kite
Pistol
ocean spindle
heavy assault rifle too
fallen kite
Pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew
silent delta
what are some really fun weapons
sawed off, burts cannon, hel rifle, pump shotty, combat shotty, hel shotty, dmr, scattergun
mighty bison
why sawed off
silent delta
veruta mg is fun and not compelte dogshit but it aint great lmao
ocean spindle
i dont like dmr gaming i prefer double tap rifle
ocean spindle
why sawed off
cause it goes bom
mighty bison
Ok ill trust
silent delta
it cleans house
past mesa
seems troll it isnt
mighty bison
watch it just blows up in my face
silent delta
you can down a giant in one clip using your main weapon
quick reload
fast firing speed
whats not to love beyond a triple barrel shotgun holding 4 shells
fallen kite
360 no scope headshot
You miss try reload realise your prisoner has the dexterity of a slug and die to big lick
mighty bison
oh
ocean spindle
miss one shot immediately becomes useless
fallen kite
thats why i have a sawed off
Valid tbh
ocean spindle
pick precision rifle or hel rifle if u want the same feel and not like have an useless gun
silent delta
sawed off burst cannon is goog
silent delta
snipers not fun
sniper's fun while its up
you just spend the better years of your life reloading it
fallen kite
you just spend the better years of your life reloading it
Tfw you miss the 0.1 second time saving reload cancel
( it doesnt exist ur just deluded and trying to make the reload slightly better )
silent delta
Tfw you miss the 0.1 second time saving reload cancel
silent delta
no, no it's not fun
u miss one bullet
blowing a hybrids brains out from a different zip code will always be fun]
ocean spindle
i mean i think the reload and mag count kills it a bit
fallen kite
💀
fallen kite
It also doesnt help that its a reactor level
Ok well
Sawed off on a reactor isnt the best
mighty bison
ye
fallen kite
but bc is good
mossy dome
is r5c2 secondary's reactor supposed to create an endless alarm/spawn a second mom?
grizzled patrol
is r5c2 secondary's reactor supposed to create an endless alarm/spawn a second m...
no
grizzled patrol
stacked reactor waves
tired aurora
stacked reactor waves won't spawn a second mom
grizzled patrol
last wave spawns a mother tho
mossy dome
there have been 2 and wave keeps spawning after last code is in like 3 times now
tired aurora
there have been 2 and wave keeps spawning after last code is in like 3 times now
that is stacked waves yes
oh you mean 2 moms
not 2 waves
mossy dome
2 moms yes
tired aurora
nvm Im blind
grizzled patrol
one mom
if for some reason he did not clear the first mom and failed the reactor code it will spawn 2nd mom
tired aurora
well he didn't mention enything about failing code
mossy dome
reactor code is in
still get 2nd mom and waves keep spawning
like I can hear the wave spawn roar
tired aurora
Probably not desync Im not sure if desync can even cause something like that
grizzled patrol
where were you holding?
mossy dome
tank room
grizzled patrol
the entire reactor 
tired aurora
do you remember the people you played with?
mossy dome
uhhh up front for codes 1/2, then back room for 3, in main reactor 4/5, and tank room for 6
I believe
I do not remember everyone I played with no
it's happened with different groups of ppl
tired aurora
I can't think of anything else then some "funny guy" playing with you all the time and spawning them in with cconsole
grizzled patrol
uhhh up front for codes 1/2, then back room for 3, in main reactor 4/5, and tank...
holding in 3rd room makes enemies walk a mile till they get to you. usually it causes late spawns
although it does not explain second mom
grizzled patrol
I do not remember everyone I played with no
you havent played since then right? you can read in the logs who you have been playing with
mossy dome
it's been in different sessions but I think I've only done r5c2 for the last few yeah
where can I read the logs?
grizzled patrol
appdata -> LocalFlow-> 10c
tardy ingot
uhhh up front for codes 1/2, then back room for 3, in main reactor 4/5, and tank...
And you havent repeated any waves at all?
tired aurora
It looks like someone is just fucking with you
It's probably not a bug since it keeps happening to you and I can't think of anything else that might cause a second mom to spawn
mossy dome
And you havent repeated any waves at all?
for those 3 sessions, no. I've had 2 others that did have a repeat wave but those ones seemed normal (one was a middle wave and one had the 2nd mom but obviously that is supposed to be there if you fail last wave)
mossy dome
appdata -> LocalFlow-> 10c
should I be reading master or client and where in there does it list names 😭
it's just a wall of text
tardy ingot
you can search for the term „ploc“ it will at some point show which people dropped into the level with you
mossy dome
Divine Apple, Hunter(ZIZ), InfinityReality, Lucassoh, Sykov, & Ruski are the names I'm seeing in the last few runs
ig if anyone has similar weird issues and those people happen to be in lobby make note of it
lone mortar
you can search for the term „ploc“ it will at some point show which people dropp...
when stream
grizzled patrol
when stream
Arakune4EVA when?
lone mortar
Arakune4EVA when?
indigo lion
can packs bug out and spawn beneath the map or not in the zone terminal says?
playing r4d2
ping disinfect pack in zone 349
it's in b sector right next to terminal
but ping says its 250 meters away somewhere in zone 398
ocean spindle
if they are moved, the terminal can still list them in the zone but be in another place, that might be what's happening
indigo lion
if they are moved, the terminal can still list them in the zone but be in anothe...
nah zone 398 was locked
tiny wyvern
...that or you have that one terminal bug
that basically makes you unable to query or list anything
wet bear
tiny wyvern
I don't know if that's just hearsay or real tho
indigo lion
nah zone 398 was locked
you know what maybe it was moved
tiny wyvern
Let me check
ocean spindle
i knew it
indigo lion
but packs usually disappear from list when picked up?
grizzled patrol
can packs bug out and spawn beneath the map or not in the zone terminal says?
have you joined later on? if you try pinging stuff that have been gathered it can do some weird stuff
indigo lion
have you joined later on? if you try pinging stuff that have been gathered it ca...
no
ocean spindle
:D
ocean spindle
but packs usually disappear from list when picked up?
i think if it's replaced with another one in another zone it still exists on the map so the terminal lists it
but gets confused on how to ping it
so u can ping it from a different zone, the one it originated from
wet bear
great game
Yes we know that, it's really good 💯
ocean spindle
no bugs
tbh it isn't that common u grab a resource to just leave it somewhere else unless u do serious management
tiny wyvern
welcome to gtfo
ocean spindle
but that's unneeded a lot of the times
even in reactors u don't rlly move resources
indigo lion
we didn't need disinfect until later in the run when fog rises
so probably left it somewhere
wet bear
even in reactors u don't rlly move resources
Unless you have a guy with drop mod and he takes ages to move everything 
ocean spindle
zzz
ocean spindle
so probably left it somewhere
ah well makes sense i think in my runs i just grabbed it along the way but different strats
ocean spindle
Yeah good game
good game bad players
wet bear
good game bad players
ocean spindle
:3
fuck drop resources mod
wet bear
:3
fuck drop resources mod
Fuck logs that crash lobbies 🐟
wet bear
hey in my defense
skill issue
Gargancha
ocean spindle
:3
mossy dome
would anyone like to share their least favorite level in the game & why they dislike it (or like it less)? curious what opinions on it might be
devout whale
secondary sector of R5D1
ocean spindle
would anyone like to share their least favorite level in the game & why they dis...
i dont like r3b1 for me it's the level with the most fluff and nothing new
u could say most of r1 is fluff but at least it's to teach new players new mechanics and stuff, but r3b1 truly has absolutely nothing going for it being so late into the game
it is just literally r2c1, but blue and less hard
tiny wyvern
would anyone like to share their least favorite level in the game & why they dis...
R2D2
10 wave reactor is a drag to do when you do it often enough/ fail it enough times
tardy ingot
would anyone like to share their least favorite level in the game & why they dis...
R4C2 (tedious as hell) and R5D1 (similarly)
For speedruns as of right now, R8D1
frail heart
R4C2 (tedious as hell) and R5D1 (similarly)
For speedruns as of right now, R8D1
how did the runs go lmao
tardy ingot
r2c1 is also pretty eh
ocean spindle
how did the runs go lmao
they did not go well
tiny wyvern
how did the runs go lmao
poorly
tardy ingot
how did the runs go lmao
You dont wanna know
Its unironically the worst level to speed
frail heart
why?
tardy ingot
we improved gtfo% time by 5 min
But its still dogshit
tardy ingot
frosty you got time for vc?
Typing this takes ages
mossy dome
R2D2
10 wave reactor is a drag to do when you do it often enough/ fail it enough...
take it back I love r2d2 😭
frail heart
frosty you got time for vc?
Typing this takes ages
yeah i got a couple mins
tiny wyvern
take it back I love r2d2 😭
yeah until you fail at extract and lose your entire afternoon
ocean spindle
i think if u do r2d2 enough times it can get boring but u could say that about a ton of levels
tiny wyvern
for a clear you dont need
ocean spindle
i think d2 is unique just a bit too long
tardy ingot
@frail heart im down in hybrid
mossy dome
i could agree with that i suppose
tiny wyvern
wtf is that vc descript
mossy dome
i feel like r2d2 has some hold spots or lines you can make that make it a lot easier to clear
ocean spindle
i need to try holding d2 on the reactor
i wanna see how the level is if u don't get late waves
mossy dome
i think my vote would go to either r8a2 sec or r6b2. r8a2 sec because it feels incredibly contrived, r6b2 because the map design is basically copy-paste the same textures & rooms again and again during a warden protocol w/ shadows
ocean spindle
w wuh
what do u mean contrived-- a2 sec it's yeah specifically created to be like super out of the box and weird
also what do u mean b2 is copypaste of a warden protocol with shadows? do u mean bx?
mossy dome
the code, the log both needlessly difficult in a way that to me doesn't feel like it adds anything to the experience. The loadouts that work seem extremely narrow. if anyone goes down it's pretty much a reset since it's a full team scan at the end. if you don't kill nightmare scouts it's rng hell at the end if they down you or you manage to slip by
just very bleh, feels like it's pigeon-holing you into playing one way and one way only
tardy ingot
i think my vote would go to either r8a2 sec or r6b2. r8a2 sec because it feels i...
r8a2sec is a goated level
mossy dome
what am I missing 😭
tardy ingot
shoot and kill >:D
ocean spindle
ur supposed to play it a specific way the same way difficult levels enforce only one possible loadout most of the time for winnin
mossy dome
also what do u mean b2 is copypaste of a warden protocol with shadows? do u mean...
im pretty sure it's r6b2 I'm thinking of, I wrote it down a while ago
i don't agree with that at all
tardy ingot
r6b2 is a double uplink secondary
its honestly a good fog intro in the og
but in alt its slightly wacky
ocean spindle
a warden timer with shadows is bx secondary
mossy dome
that one then
ocean spindle
i mean it's nothing special but at least it's difficult in some ways i think
it's funny how the cell room is fucking gigantic
but yeah i don't agree with that a2 take like at all lol
i think it's just supposed to be like an easter egg, something that u actively strive to win- and so they can just be fucking nuts with it and it is rlly fun once u know what to do
if it's rng- it's just cause ur not taking foam
mossy dome
i agree with the latter but like that's exactly what I mean by it forcing you into taking a specific loadout
tardy ingot
tbh you can do that level without foam, youd just need to play a lot better (or take scatter)
mossy dome
how do you avoid the nightmare scouts at the end without cheese or foam?
ocean spindle
i mean i guess it's possible just yeah a lot harder lol
tardy ingot
how do you avoid the nightmare scouts at the end without cheese or foam?
sneak past, theyll scream when you run back in and you mostly just run past everything
mossy dome
i feel like im missing something because when that was tried earlier they shot and downed someone most of the time
ocean spindle
i guess u gotta push in more aggressively ksks cause without scouts u can take ur time shooting
tardy ingot
but tbh a level being majorly easier with a specific loadout isnt uncommon
upper ginkgo
yeah the end part without foam is hard
just because a single person downing during the run back is destabilizing af
mossy dome
it's also mad hard to kite because there's nowhere good to loop
upper ginkgo
yeah
ocean spindle
i'm overthinking kdmsk
tardy ingot
tbh if you want it easy you take foam, kill nigthmare scouts
let nightmares run into room, then circle around them
boom, free clear
upper ginkgo
fortunately the level is short enough that it's not really a biggie if you need to full restart
mossy dome
that's true
ocean spindle
plus the checkpoints right at the start of sec pretty much
u just do the code and ur back to it
tardy ingot
the level is rly fun to play fast in aswell
mossy dome
Some of the r4s were definitely more tedious, just personal taste I didn't love r8a2 sec
tardy ingot
gotta replay it and scatter your way through >:D
ocean spindle
tbh with how gtfo plays
i much prefer an experimental bad level than just a white bread one
like r7d1
batshit insane bad but so much fun to play for me than just another r3b1
upper ginkgo
r8a2 sec is an Easter egg lvl too
ocean spindle
man fuck r3b1
upper ginkgo
so I don't think it's fair to judge it on the same standards as a "normal" level
mossy dome
it's an easter egg level that still shows in the menu and is tied to achievements tbf
ocean spindle
tbh i wouldn't be surprised that's cause they cannot do it otherwise lol
mossy dome
wdym why couldn't they
ocean spindle
gtfo is a lil restrictive on how it's build and i wouldn't be surprised they couldn't make another extra objective without it showing on the menu
or something
lot of talk by the devs shows how r8 was so hard to work with cause it was so late into development
so they worked around the constraints their own code has
upper ginkgo
they rushed r8 so it's not really surprising if they couldn't invest more time into implementing the Easter egg lvl
mossy dome
im kinda surprised to hear it was rushed, I feel like r8 is a lot of ppl's favorite rundown
ocean spindle
it had a lot of time but as they wanted to do so much it was hard to implement all and not have it break down and die kdmskd
levels like e2 are mostly just kept together by tape and hopes cause it was too much
tardy ingot
im kinda surprised to hear it was rushed, I feel like r8 is a lot of ppl's favor...
its similar to gtfo in general
a lot of people here love the game, yet its clearly not what it COULD have been
civic wave
It pushed the envelope and did a lot of cool stuff, but if they'd started earlier they definitely could've made more cool things
ocean spindle
even just one fucking tile of e2 almost breaks the entire level KDNSKD
tiny wyvern
I mean just look at modded
their stuff is insane
upper ginkgo
yeah I'm bummed that the level design ideas in r8 won't ever have a chance to be expanded on
ocean spindle
I mean just look at modded
their stuff is insane
occlusion swipe babyyyy
ocean spindle
occlusion swipe babyyyy
first modded rundown to collect an occlusillion dollars
hardy grotto
reactors as well
upper ginkgo
r8d2 double scan goes so hard
tardy ingot
gtfo is pretty good at reiterating past concepts
also seen in mechanics
respawn rooms were mostly ass in R5, but theyve become a lot more interesting
upper ginkgo
but we'll never get a second implementation of it
tardy ingot
honestly it would be so interesting in what they couldve done with corrupted scans
ocean spindle
i love d2 double scan, and i don't know the specifics but for me it always felt like just two alarms pulled at the same time kdmsd
idk if it works differently
mossy dome
honestly it would be so interesting in what they couldve done with corrupted sca...
like what? 👀
tardy ingot
making them move
mossy dome
oh that'd be cool
tardy ingot
making them vital to clearing levels by teleporting
ocean spindle
more enemies spawned, more interactions like maybe raising fog or turning the lights off...
tardy ingot
off of them working actual traps into levels
upper ginkgo
making them vital to clearing levels by teleporting
imagine using them as a puzzle element
frail heart
should've heard what their plans were for e2
ocean spindle
in my funny ideas written i have a zone that's like a maze with them and if u touch one u get sent back to the beginning
upper ginkgo
like you need to determine the right order of entering dimensions to extract
ocean spindle
idk if it's possible but funny idea
mossy dome
immediately thought of a scan glued to pablo so if you get too close bad stuff happens
ocean spindle
should've heard what their plans were for e2
did they mention any in the video?- tbh i already forgot
if they did
frail heart
did they mention any in the video?- tbh i already forgot
yes
upper ginkgo
more hacking minigames
ocean spindle
i gotta rewatch it lol
tardy ingot
like you need to determine the right order of entering dimensions to extract
omg
do you know the teleporting circles in pokemon gen 3 and 4?
ocean spindle
more hacking minigames
tbh the only other one they did kinda sucked
the squares one but others would've been fun
upper ginkgo
omg
do you know the teleporting circles in pokemon gen 3 and 4?
yes that's what I want
mossy dome
hacking minigames like how dredge does them would be awesome
tardy ingot
now ive got another sick idea for this game that will never happen in my head
ocean spindle
now ive got another sick idea for this game that will never happen in my head
mod it in idk :3
upper ginkgo
I wish gtfo had more puzzle elements
r2d1 sorta toys with the idea
by having multiple routes
and plugging cells
if only the fog moved up AND down
frail heart
i love cheating mod user in my lobby
upper ginkgo
it's qol stupid
tardy ingot
in r3d1 
wa
upper ginkgo
"drop cell, I can sprint with it"
hardy grotto
I wish gtfo had more puzzle elements
the puzzle element comes from pub reviewing and figuring out what that one pub was doing
upper ginkgo
so true
tardy ingot
do they have god mode by chance
ocean spindle
i remember when in an r2e1 run i turn back and i see a fucking dude with the turbine on their backpack and we just looked at each other like
"u bitch"
and then we died shortly after so it was ok
upper ginkgo
p*bs are a difficulty modifier
frail heart
no they are already 47% before first alarm
tardy ingot
no they are already 47% before first alarm
did they hug a giant
upper ginkgo
i love clearing levels with 30% less ammo
hardy grotto
its a difficulty modifier but u cant control how much harder they make it
its between 20% - 60% less ammo
upper ginkgo
and the equivalent of sentient shotgun sentries that are required to be alive for scans
ocean spindle
i dont like being alive it's too hard
being down is the way
mossy dome
sentient shotgun sentry sounds amazing, that's like a really dangerous pet dog
ocean spindle
sentry with legs :D
upper ginkgo
yeah but sometimes your pet dog bites
ocean spindle
where's the mod for that
i want a striker that for a head they have a tucking shotgun sentry
that would be fucking awesome
upper ginkgo
as in murders you with a hel rifle when you're trying to kill pmom
tired aurora
and the equivalent of sentient shotgun sentries that are required to be alive fo...
you can at least execute them on extraction to balance things out
mossy dome
as in murders you with a hel rifle when you're trying to kill pmom
this is why you don't give your pitbull a hel gun
ocean spindle
as in murders you with a hel rifle when you're trying to kill pmom
the first time i beat d2 it was with hange and when we killed the funny enemy he was like "it is so fucking easy with people that shoot"
and i was like "what things have u gone through"
upper ginkgo
this is why you don't give your pitbull a hel gun
yeah but I respect my pet's autonomy
you need to watch gtfo replays slendo
people are playing a different game
ocean spindle
you need to watch gtfo replays slendo
that's prob one of the few mods i actually want so bad lol
itches my curiosity
maybe when i get my new pc i can run it
upper ginkgo
common GeForce now L
ocean spindle
:c
ocean spindle
uh it's pretty flawless tbh
my internet connection just serves to show me the game itself- but gtfo works with the internet that it's in the local pc so
i never ever have host ping i can host 10/10
never received a complaint
upper ginkgo
oh interesting
cloud gaming would be nice, but my main complaint is the latency between actions
ocean spindle
it depends on ur connection but usually it isn't that bad
on bad days it's noticeable enough where u play sloppy but most times u just kinda get used to it
the main issue it's just charge up weapons like hel gun
cause it throws u off more
upper ginkgo
oh that sounds awful lol
upper ginkgo
nah that's my breaking point
hardy grotto
my breaking point is just cloud gaming i think ngl
upper ginkgo
I already hate playing on EU ping
ocean spindle
:3 i mean i also play it cause i got like
no other option
not cause i actively want to lol
it is not much of a choice
hardy grotto
yea i gathered
tardy ingot
you can at least execute them on extraction to balance things out
r8c1 giving you only a very short window for that
upper ginkgo
killing ppl on extract isn't enough for me to vent
tired aurora
r8c1 giving you only a very short window for that
you can always kill them before that and extract scan by yourself
keen seal
people are playing a different game
this makes it seem like peak entertainment
upper ginkgo
i need to take them through a checkpoint hell
ocean spindle
kill people when u drop in and just hack ur way into the doors
tardy ingot
you can always kill them before that and extract scan by yourself
o.O uuuh
ocean spindle
you can always kill them before that and extract scan by yourself
welllll
tardy ingot
r8c1 extract is a team scan
ocean spindle
there's an issue with that kdmksd
ocean spindle
ALSO WHY ONLY C1 IS A TEAMSCAN
well i guess c2 e1 and e2 also are
tardy ingot
without it r8c1 would be a 5 min level 
hardy grotto
lf r7d1 at checkpoint
ocean spindle
for no reason also rly
yeah the door to it could just be a team scan
and that's it lol
but at least it's new
tired aurora
scattergun is the answer then lmao
ocean spindle
:3
tardy ingot
teamscans ruin gtfo
ocean spindle
speedrunner mindset skill issue
upper ginkgo
this makes it seem like peak entertainment
peak entertainment is waking up a crowded room and trapping a person in with c-foam and watching them fend for their life
ocean spindle
if it wasn't a teamscan it would be so much easier with bots tho and like
i wouldn't have suffered that badly
completing main lol
mossy dome
peak entertainment is waking up a crowded room and trapping a person in with c-f...
I'm ngl whenever I do this to the bot it decides to go ultrainstinct and wipe the room on its own
ocean spindle
they too powerful
upper ginkgo
gtfo gladiators...
tired aurora
I'll never forget the level when i shot 2 people on extract and as i shot the 3rd one he shot me back and we killed eachother and wiped on 99% extract
I could feel host's anger through the mic
ocean spindle
nice
upper ginkgo
kinda toxic...
mossy dome
on the one hand that sucks, on the other that's fucking hilarious
ocean spindle
the silly is too strong
tired aurora
To be fair the guy was hosting the same level next day and I came back and helped him without trolling
ocean spindle
also eva is like writing a bible i'm scared
hardy grotto
I'll never forget the level when i shot 2 people on extract and as i shot the 3r...
i did this in og r5c1
it was with a friend group so it wasnt as bad
but it was not as funny when we had to go back and play that entire level again
ocean spindle
c1 is just too fun u wanted to play it from the start :3
upper ginkgo
og r5c1 sucks
hardy grotto
we just wanted our clear
upper ginkgo
alt feels better
mossy dome
my friends and i just have a rule that if you're on 20 and it's not an alarm it's open season
hardy grotto
i think a valuable lesson was learnt that day
minor fractal
Mandatory clearing respawn zone in OG was cringe.
frail heart
EWWW
hardy grotto
alt is def an improvement
upper ginkgo
buffer zone is so based
ocean spindle
oh yeah the other class S1 was like directly along the respawn wasn't it
minor fractal
Alt does also really make you feel how much extra ammo you have, tho.
upper ginkgo
removing extra cell in r5d2 is so based
hardy grotto
i was kinda sad abt that for a bit but honestly
tardy ingot
levels that would be funnier without teamscans (personally)
R1B1
R2A1
R2B2
R3A2
R3B1
R3D1
R4A2
R4B1
R4B2
R4C1
R4C2
R5A1
R5C2
R6AX
R6D2
R7C1
R7D2
R8C1
R8A2
R8B3
R8E2
ocean spindle
class X my beloved
frail heart
levels that would be funnier without teamscans (personally)
R1B1
R2A1
R2B2
R3A2
...
every level
ocean spindle
levels that would be funnier without teamscans (personally)
R1B1
R2A1
R2B2
R3A2
...
how would r8a2 change
minor fractal
Respawn room waking like 3 times and us having plenty of resource is wild.
upper ginkgo
how would r8a2 change
I can abandon my teammates and still win
ocean spindle
i mean thats
upper ginkgo
a person goes down during escape sequence?
ocean spindle
i guess kdmsk
tardy ingot
how would r8a2 change
dont have to send people to fake extract or real extract
can abandon teammates (even funnier if they wouldnt get the clear upon dying)
upper ginkgo
lol bye
ocean spindle
surely would make it funnier but also much more easier ngl
u could do it with bots
upper ginkgo
teamscans just force the game to be cooperative
tardy ingot
surely would make it funnier but also much more easier ngl
well yes
teamscans generally make stuff harder than non teamscans
ocean spindle
well yes
that isn't very r8a2 of u
that's just supposed to be balls to the wall- yeah i don't agree with that one
i think the teamscan makes it intense
tardy ingot
hey on the other hand some other stuff would be kinda fucked (R8E2)
ocean spindle
that would be hilarious lol
mossy dome
r8a2 I'd gladly trade no teamscan for it being like 3x as long
tardy ingot
r8a2 I'd gladly trade no teamscan for it being like 3x as long
bruh nah
r8a2sec is funny cuz you can do it so quickly/fast
upper ginkgo
I don't think I've ever done r8a2 main
ocean spindle
extended tutorial u fight a kraken
upper ginkgo
i hope it's a good lvl
tardy ingot
its not
hardy grotto
its not
ocean spindle
it's extremely eh
wet bear
Teamscans should be deleted from everywhere, even bulkhead scans shouldn't be a team tied
tired aurora
It's shit
minor fractal
It's fine, imo
tardy ingot
like its easily the worst of the 2nd half if you ignore its secondary
minor fractal
Room scans are cute
ocean spindle
i like the alarms but the shadow zone is a bit z
minor fractal
very short, as well
ocean spindle
yeah the alarms r fine specially the second one
tardy ingot
the first alarm and extract sections are cute tho
first alarm unironically a menace
if you dont foam thats a rough scan for what it is
ocean spindle
it's just that shadow zone the one that weights it down
cause it's so nothing
but the rest it's fun and it has cool tiles
tardy ingot
2nd full room is kinda ok
minor fractal
It's a pretty rough scan for non-Sawed-Off/HEL Rifle loadouts
tardy ingot
first one is offensively boring
ocean spindle
i like the second one having flyers out of nowhere
tardy ingot
like, defend at the end of the room and you can knife it
ocean spindle
i rlly like when flyers r used like that
frail heart
It's a pretty rough scan for non-Sawed-Off/HEL Rifle loadouts
LMAO
ocean spindle
also the fact that there is no tool at all
that's neat twist
i rlly like that
makes the second room scan way harder if u didn't know
tardy ingot
triple cfoam is the goat for sec runs for a reason
mossy dome
the scans become more interesting when someone joins and starts running through the red scans because they don't know what they are
frail heart
RAHHHHHHHHHH
ocean spindle
also maybe i'm tripping as fuck
but i could swear on the first run i did either bots something bugged out
cause i did the alarm path and i extracted
i didnt touched the shadow zone
civic wave
triple cfoam is the goat for sec runs for a reason
this message fried my brain for a second
upper ginkgo
only join if you're the GOAT
topaz anvil
the scans become more interesting when someone joins and starts running through ...
Its just a challenge run
ocean spindle
i wouldve liked if a2 scans instead of tanks they spawned something like snatchers or something and be more cruel
cause they are rlly easy to avoid
at least in d1 there's a couple funny ones
topaz anvil
should've been moving scans
tardy ingot
theres some sick pathing you can do in D1 to avoidthem
ocean spindle
that would've been fun
wet bear
Moving error scans that spawn krakens
upper ginkgo
wish they added more achievements for level specific ways of clearing stuff like the r8d1 one
tardy ingot
sad thats its not faster than the simple route...
ocean spindle
wish they added more achievements for level specific ways of clearing stuff like...
r8a2 sec no foam
hardy grotto
clear r7d2 after opening every zone
tardy ingot
@upper ginkgo like any of the skip options
upper ginkgo
truuu
tardy ingot
would be a good way to get newer players to do reactor skip, cell skip etc
ocean spindle
r6d1 reactor skip was RIGHT THERE to make an achievement
topaz anvil
R8E2 no admin_override
frail heart
r6d1 reactor skip was RIGHT THERE to make an achievement
it was intended as well lmao
hardy grotto
the doorbug achievement
upper ginkgo
It'd be cool if they acknowledged r5e1 cell skip
ocean spindle
it was intended as well lmao
ikr it was so obvious
frail heart
R8E2 no admin_override
hange and I are doing that for his 100th clear
topaz anvil
🫡
civic wave
Rush K
upper ginkgo
iirc I remember the devs being surprised that ppl would attempt levels with a harder route
tardy ingot
theres like 2 fog skips, a cell skip, reactor skip, brazil skip
heck even d2 has things you could dub as a skip
upper ginkgo
like leaving mom in r3d1
tardy ingot
mega mom skip is actually quite fun
upper ginkgo
rip community involvement :(
tardy ingot
ye
topaz anvil
tardy ingot
doing pacifist r3d1 on the charity stream was hella funny
especially when pmom stepped on the gaspedal and zoomed into a mine to kill 2 of us
after i predicted it
civic wave
She's so clever
upper ginkgo
it was worth the money for that clip
topaz anvil
tardy ingot
i have never seen a pmom aggressively run into a team like that
even funnier that she skedaddled right off after
upper ginkgo
boss ai is weird
they're either oddly passive
or just straight-up aggressive
like imagine if tank had charger giant ai
so it would full sprint at you 80% of the time
civic wave
so it would full sprint at you 80% of the time
Don't buff scattergun
upper ginkgo
idk I'd prefer a buff to the "fight, don't kite" mentality
charger giants require aggression to address properly
mossy dome
when i did r5b3 the tank literally just hung out in the room with us like he was depressed
didn't attack at all
tardy ingot
like imagine if tank had charger giant ai
its the case in some modded rundowns
actually quite funny
upper ginkgo
tank ai goes blegh when there's verticality involved lol
tardy ingot
makes it way more threatning if it also tounges
also tank ai makes it weird when you are alone (only host) vs with other players
upper ginkgo
I'm not sure if I would change tank in its current state though
Its role seems to be more of a time sink than an actual boss threat
And level design reflects that role imo
R5c2 reactor involves blood door + tank under a time restraint
R4e1 is just tank killing on a timer
Mom seems to fulfill the team wiper role better and in practice I think it does
ocean spindle
like imagine if tank had charger giant ai
occlusion be like
upper ginkgo
based dak
ocean spindle
so true
tardy ingot
dak also uses potatos
tardy ingot
i only remember him using them with the aggro tank
which made for quite a threatening combo if you dont expect it
you cant just chill around the potatoes, tank will insta rush you
but if you focus on tank a lot they barrage
its kinda like harder to kill hybrids
maybe he uses them more in E3 and F1
civic wave
occlusion be like
Wait why is everyone obsesswith big chargers then, tank is the same but better
upper ginkgo
i really wish they leveraged mixed enemy waves more often in the game
playing gtfr has made me think of how engaging it would be
like having mixed chargers + strikers in alarms is great
topaz anvil
Big Chargers were shafted :(
tardy ingot
its a lot more threatening with mixed waves yea
upper ginkgo
because it actually gives wave clear and hel guns a distinction in what targets to prioritize
upper ginkgo
like revos will go for smalls while hel rifle will go for chargers