gtfo-related-questions

[civic wave]

I was not making any comments on how risky it is, I was thinking about enemy behaviour and seeing "yeah that can maybe go wrong"

[minor fractal]

If all four players are at their PCs and reasonably competent, it just doesn't happen.

[little pilot]

i swear in pubs i have never seen the enemies that actually try to run out survive long enough past the first scream cd

[tardy ingot]

person staggering has any amount of lag and gets no scream cancel

Any singular melee miss due to a punch

if mining is too risky (as jish said) then meleeing is too

[minor fractal]

First, they have to let it run out.

Second, they have to both not stagger and not melee bait.

[little pilot]

no it isn't eva

[tardy ingot]

shooting is obviously riskier, but with 2BC also not rly an issue

[civic wave]

I mean the thing that I find funny is sometimes you stand inside a hybrid to bait melee and it screams anyway

[past mesa]

Mining is 20 meters by door

[tardy ingot]

If mining is -> then melee is too

If mining isnt (it isnt) then melee isnt either

[past mesa]

That is 100 awake

[tardy ingot]

Which is nothing

[little pilot]

mining has a set wake up distance, if any enemy is within that distance you wake up 100%

[past mesa]

you can just get screwed by scout

What melee you can play around close scout

No issue?

[little pilot]

meleeing u can do it wiht a fucking sleeping striker next to the blood door

[past mesa]

What

[minor fractal]

Not mining vs. mining is just not a major difference.

[tardy ingot]

idk whether youve run that area

but the only issue would be nightmare scout at all

And you can easily just run foam if you wanna be safe (also neat later anyhow)

[little pilot]

for gtfo% u probably run foam anyway

but that blood door is not an issue with just meleeing

and proof of that is me being hardstuck r8d2 secondary alarm and learning to get 100% of the runs no matter what to the alarm

running back takes too long and it is boring af

hammer charge up is 1.8s. Scream cooldown on striker is 5 to 20 seconds. Suppose u are insanely unlucky and get 5 seconds: u get 3 hammer hits. For 4 people it is 12 hits. If anything is out of the room then either THE ENTIRE blood door ran out of the room or you fucked up

And most of the time u get 16 hits minimum because scream cd is above 6 seconds anyway

[solemn stirrup]

Are there merits to the non-sledge melee weapons that warrant their use over the sledge? Or should one just sledgemaxx forever

[ocean spindle]

knife is probably the pair to the sledge in quality, being a lot faster than it and dealing with smalls extremely nicely, with it being just regular for scouts and giants but still not bad if u know what ur doing and coordinate with ur team

the bat is like a mini hammer and big knife, extremely staggering so very useful for cooperation with ur team in case of giants or whatever else, and it's a nice inbetween

[strange jolt]

for doing funny stuff

[tardy ingot]

just dont pick spear

[ocean spindle]

generally there's no need to take anything but 4 sledges, but u could also make the argument for taking 3 hammers and a knife and whatever else
they have their uses

[strange jolt]

how am i supposed to kill scouts then

[ocean spindle]

hammer

:3

jk just snipe it

smh

[strange jolt]

and smalls in r8d1 error scans

[ocean spindle]

so true rlly

[strange jolt]

the range is insane frfr

[tardy ingot]

knife is small clearer
it struggles far more with other stuff, but massively outperforms hammer on smalls

Bat is stagger focused. Less dmg but you soft stagger litteraly everything. Its good to support on a less confident team (and stops mistakes the most)

[minor fractal]

Never Spear, Knife has usefulness in speeds or for combat-centric levels. Bat is similar, and is a nice go-between (but hammer and knife are generally better).

[tardy ingot]

^

spear is the goat for crouch only runs

[solemn stirrup]

Oh god unironically me (I only have 50 hours pls be gentle)

the spear range does a lot for confidence having never completed, like, anything past a b secondary

[ocean spindle]

yeah i mean it gives confidence but i would highly suggest learning to also kill it with the hammer ksks

[solemn stirrup]

I ruined a r5a3 PE run (solo w bots because 0 of the 4 friends I got to play this game like it) accidentally swinging a sledge directly into a feeler’s chest when I missed the head

[silent delta]

knife bat 👍 spear 👎

[ocean spindle]

happens :]
u can always drop into a level like r7b1 to practice scout kills

[tardy ingot]

gotta remember
Range doesnt matter aside from giants. But those you either shoot or kill from stealth usually

and when in combat hammer/bat does more

[tardy ingot]

Have you seen how to kill scouts with hammer?

[silent delta]

with sledge, jump before you whack

sledge arcs down from the top of the screen so if you jump so ur above the scout when u swing you're less likely to miss

[solemn stirrup]

No im very fresh-faced when it comes to tech in this game

[solemn stirrup]

I will do this next time

[silent delta]

👍

with enough practice it becomes muscle memory

[tardy ingot]

Starts charge, sprint at scout, jump and release hit

[silent delta]

unless theres something close enough that sprinting will alert it

but yes

[soft crater]

With enough practice. You'll be racing to kill it before your teammates

(Unless one of them decides to use a Gun)

[solemn stirrup]

I wish bot dauda had that enthusiasm

[soft crater]

Bot Dauda would rather put 2 rounds into the Back of Mako's Skull

(Friend of mine who got friendly fired by Dauda with Arby)

[narrow niche]

:3

[feral cypress]

does burst cannon one shot giants to the back or not

[halcyon current]

Yes

[feral cypress]

ah its because back doesn't count as precision

[ocean spindle]

no, only headshots count for that

[feral cypress]

or tumours

[ocean spindle]

i think it counts for tumors

pretty sure

[feral cypress]

yeah precision only tumours and head

got it

[ocean spindle]

yeah :]

funny mechanics

i miss circling giants with the bc

[feral cypress]

cant you still do that

[ocean spindle]

my pc died no gtfo for me until a while

sads

i miss pew pews

[feral cypress]

Im thinking whether BC is the most ammo efficient special weapon if you land all shots

or if another weapon is better

[halcyon current]

Idk about ammo effecient but it's the most versatile in my experience

[ocean spindle]

i mean hitting all shots in the bc it's funky unless u have like

a lot of huge waves

[feral cypress]

maybe hel rifle is most efficient if you pierce all the time

but BC easier to get more use out of

[halcyon current]

Hel Gun is more effecient then Rifle imo

But it's also harder to use

[past mesa]

it depends on the enemy

[halcyon current]

Yeah, chargers+ Rifle

In my overall experience oops all chargers is rare tho

[feral cypress]

hel rifle one shots chargers?

[halcyon current]

One shots 5 of em, even

[ocean spindle]

i think hel guns a two shot on em

[halcyon current]

I do too but I can't 100 percent confirm that ngl

[native sun]

yes

[halcyon current]

Hope you've been well, information man

[feral cypress]

bc seems a bit worse for chargers

[ocean spindle]

yeah the 22 per bullet dmg is a bit of a worse than 16~~ of the hel gun

[halcyon current]

BC feels awful into chargers imo

[ocean spindle]

two out of three bullets of the burst is funky

[feral cypress]

I was looking at damage numbers does the bullet of a bc do 22.1 or 22

wiki and in game give different results

[halcyon current]

That being said I find chargers are rarely alone

And the BC is good for hybrids and bbcs and what not

[ocean spindle]

it's 22.1 pretty sure but the decimals do not matter

they are just there for rounding mostly

unless it's like an auto

[halcyon current]

I'm pretty sure they do cause DMR .3 hp instance ngl

[native sun]

22.0

[ocean spindle]

but the 0.1 or 0.01 it's mostly just for rounding

oh it is 22 flat

[feral cypress]

it shows me 22.1 in game

and 22.0 in wiki

[ocean spindle]

i mean it would be the only weapon to have a flat dmg i think

[native sun]

Is this damage numbers mod?

[hazy wedge]

I thought it was flat 22

[ocean spindle]

maybe

[feral cypress]

uhhh

[ocean spindle]

anyways yes it's bad for chargers but still not terrible

at least it has range

[feral cypress]

weaponstatshower

[native sun]

Sounds like a weaponstatshower bug then

[jagged shore]

is ammo quality control minimum supposed to only affect host?

[tiny wyvern]

You can only trigger it as host, but it should affect everyone

[jagged shore]

on this stream i was just watching it was only affecting host

[narrow niche]

It does since the last time I tried

Idk why

[jagged shore]

10cc moment

[narrow niche]

Yea

[tiny wyvern]

Either that or just something happened

[narrow niche]

Maximum too

Solace and dbi can confirm

Womp womp

[frail heart]

should affect everyone

[narrow niche]

But it don't :c

[twin shoal]

Is there anything that changes in R8E1 after you do secondary?

[grizzled patrol]

Extra enemy spawns

[twin shoal]

ok

[ocean spindle]

flyers shadows bbcs uh shadow giants i think a couple more snatchers

[pearl estuary]

Me and some friends are playing R7E1 and sometimes we will be immune to both big and normal flyer damage. Sometimes its just one of us and sometimes it will be all of us. does anyone know whats causing this?

[tiny wyvern]

desync

you can temporarily become god

but it'll catch up

[civic wave]

Or shooter bug

[tiny wyvern]

Or shooter bug

ye

[tiny wyvern]

https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/1255620392660238458
Explanation here
(thanks @pseudo coyote)

[tiny wyvern]

Anything else?

[tardy ingot]

Having the game run for too long leading to „memory leak“ with a bug we call shooter bug.

[pearl estuary]

thank you guys for the explanation. We went in with a bio scanner and I think its caused by the flyers themselves causing the shooter bug. When you are in rooms where you get close to the ceiling, they go up through the ceiling and indefinitely fly off into the void lol.

[tiny wyvern]

I thought random said it was a unity bug
not the memory leak

or maybe I still suck at reading comprehension

[pearl estuary]

Found a video of someone soloing R7E1, using it lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZ_AmnQins

[tardy ingot]

Easier to explain this way

[tardy ingot]

Nah thats just flyers

They get stuck or go out of bounds

Shooter bug happens by magazines, glowsticks/fog repellers and shooter projectiles endlessly flying and staying loaded or snth

[frail heart]

Magazines don’t get cleaned up after the level, so one falls through the floor and eventually leads to memory leak where projectile collisions don’t work

[safe cradle]

Also afflicts foam on doors/things

[tiny wyvern]

I thought bc was bad on bots, no?

I mean it works fine enough in a pinch

[safe cradle]

I'm pretty sure they burst cancel but I'll be honest and say I tried it like 2-3 times mainly on R3C1

I'd just stick to Verutas tbh

Also I didnt try again since BC went from 5 to 3 bullets per burst

[solemn stirrup]

are the bots just cracked with burst rifle and veruta, or are those like the weapons that stop the bots from being bad the most

cause if i remember neither the burst rifle nor veruta are terribly impressive weapons in the hands of a player

[halcyon current]

They're just the weapons that work with the logic bots have to use guns the best

[arctic marten]

bots go crazy on the burst cannon dont let the haters tell you otherwise

[halcyon current]

Yeah, scattergun too

[arctic marten]

no they dont know how to use scattergun

[ocean spindle]

burst rifle is unironically a very good weapon

it hits like the bots make it hit, people just don't use it cause u got carbine right there

[halcyon current]

Wait so why isn't carbine the go to bot gun?

[ocean spindle]

burst rifle has more bullets and range, which both are extremely important for bots

at least i think it has more bullets

[halcyon current]

Yeah that makes sense if they just start shooting at a designated range

[ocean spindle]

ah no it has a bit less but as it's a 3 burst it saves a bit more on them
burst rifle it's less spammable

but yeah range it's extremely important for bots in general

they'll shoot on los so

[halcyon current]

So if they have a hel shotgun

Lol, lmao

[ocean spindle]

yeah it's it's terrible

that's why they are very bad with scattergun, sawed off etc etc

despite how good those weapons are- even compared to the veruta

they just need the range

[digital mural]

They get the most value with bots

Or bots get the best value with those guns

[ocean spindle]

omg ur so late, where are u, at WORK?

[digital mural]

Yeah

[ocean spindle]

good :3 responsible

[digital mural]

Getting ready for work

[ocean spindle]

good luck at work :3

[digital mural]

Thx :3

[ocean spindle]

:3

[silent delta]

the voices

my phone is not salvageable

feels bad

😔

[narrow niche]

?

[silent delta]

i went swimming with it

[narrow niche]

Ah

[midnight venture]

What's everyone pick of weapons I'm trying to experiment with new sets rather than the HEL combo and I'm not gonna go through everything that's just gonna take so much time 😞

[tardy ingot]

you can check out this #guides-and-reviews message or rayalots reddit post about weapons

[midnight venture]

Oh ok I just wanna see if everyone here play an interesting combo

[soft crater]

Seeing the first comment about arby made me laugh a bit

As much as I love Arby. It just ain't good.

[upper ginkgo]

arby's is alright

like where else are you gonna get a roast beef sandwich

[safe cradle]

What about "four guys"? Is it good?

It's GTFO-related because it's 4 males like GTFO

[upper ginkgo]

omg haha

u're so funny

[safe cradle]

I'm not but thanks

[upper ginkgo]

i was talking to myself stupid

[safe cradle]

I know you're being sarcastic and insulting me

[safe cradle]

You have a stupid self?

[upper ginkgo]

no

[safe cradle]

what a smart thing to do

[narrow niche]

GTFO chat toxicity smh crying

[carmine grotto]

does anyone have the password for r8a2 2nd this week?

[narrow niche]

No

[silent delta]

https://andocas.com/gtfo/r8a2/

[carmine grotto]

thx

[carmine grotto]

any ideas as to why the "EVAL_INIT" commands wouldn't show or work for the R8A2 terminal?

[tardy ingot]

You went too far into any of the zones past the terminal

[carmine grotto]

ah, adds up. Thank you

[warm siren]

im having major lag spikes in gtfo for no reason anybody got a solution?

[digital mural]

Your connection or the host

Also
Isnt today steam maintenance?

[warm siren]

might be the reason why

[red flax]

Is there any gun tierlist that's commonly referred to?

[native sun]

This is the best one IMO:
https://www.reddit.com/r/GTFO/comments/1eg2uex/ranking_the_guns_in_gtfo_postdevelopment/

[red flax]

👍 thanks

[silent delta]

if you're relatively new to the game, u should experiment and try out all the guns, see which ones you like the most, cuz even if some of the guns are better they aren't all as accessible

except for short rifle. probably stay away from that one

[digital mural]

Dont tell people what to not use
Or else chat will burn You alive

😔

[sturdy glen]

slug shotgun haters in shambles

[red flax]

350 hours in game, just wondering about every weapon compared to every other

I finally have good enough aim to be confident with pistols at least lol

[mossy dome]

why is choke mod in the stinky tiers?

[native sun]

Because it is not very good...?

[mossy dome]

but like... what about it pushes it down so far

[narrow niche]

the weapon

:D

[native sun]

HEL Rifle >>>> for 30dmg breakpoint wave clear
Scatter >>>> for bosses

Being meh at both at once isn't as valuable as being insanely good at one

[mossy dome]

gotcha

[frail heart]

Short rifle should be S tier

[narrow niche]

frosty do you have it copied

:3

[digital mural]

Let me introduce to you, the short rifle. On paper and given to an aimbot, this is like the most broken weapon in the game but it feels like horse shot to use because to use it yo its full potential you literally need to be superhuman, able to click 20 times per second. This is where the macro comes in. You create a macro that when you hold a button, it clicks really fast, mimicking full auto. Don't go overboard with the firing speed. I set mine to fire somewhere between 5 and 10 per second, similar to the assault rifle. Then you bind that button to your most accessible mouse button.

Now you have a weapon that is the most generally ammo efficient in the game with the normal semi auto and then when you switch to full auto, it has up to the highest dps in the game, each bullet dealing more than twice of what the assault rifle does, still with a huge ammo capacity.

The only drawbacks are the somewhat hard to control recoil and half stagger, yet remember it still staggers more per bullet than the assault rifle and pretty much always staggers on heashot. Its also not super great for sniping shooters with early fall off. Deletes both strikers and giants though

[frail heart]

That guy should be crucified

[hazy wedge]

I made short rifle a true auto weapon instead of semi to test it and it’s better it’s left as a semi/macro auto

[frail heart]

Also there’s a guy just smoking a blunt in front of me on the train

How do these mf’s not get caught

[hazy wedge]

They’re a detective

[frail heart]

Smoke illegal substances to draw out the others

Genius

[red flax]

Erm, simply drag click 🤓

[past mesa]

It has been power crept out of the game

Long reload makes it quite poor compared to any other wave clear gun and any other boss killer

It’s burst used to be the main thing that was insane about it but scatter burst damage just outshines it 5 fold

[hazy wedge]

Where is my 16 dmg revolver

[frail heart]

5 PEN HEL REVO WHERE

[red flax]

What's the ideal use case for burst cannon? Currently on R5C3.

Thinking about using it for the tank(s?) on overload

[halcyon current]

There are living enemies infront of you and you don't want them there

[upper ginkgo]

when you want to be boss/big clear with range and have decent wave clear potential

[turbid horizon]

Is this the new copypasta?

thank god

[halcyon current]

Yes

[turbid horizon]

finally, I’ve been replaced

thank goodness

[halcyon current]

The only things I don't like shooting BC at are chargers so far ngl

[upper ginkgo]

it's basically one burst per charger

[halcyon current]

It feels really weird into chargers cause it 2 shots them

Yeah but it feels sub optimal to be shooting at chargers if someone has a hel rifle or something

[turbid horizon]

i generally will only use BC for normal sleepers and giants

burst once in

wait a second

I fucking completely forgot it’s 3 burst now

[halcyon current]

I use it for normals, hybrids, giants and their variants, and bosses.

[turbid horizon]

God dammit

[digital mural]

i know your dirty little secret

[turbid horizon]

i miss old BC :(

[halcyon current]

It is surprisingly good at wave clear ngl

[upper ginkgo]

having a bad matchup against chargers isn't too bad

[halcyon current]

I mean yeah, it's a good match up for most other things to my knowledge

[turbid horizon]

new burst cannon is pogn’t

[upper ginkgo]

like you're still a good clear for everything else with decent range

that's the only reason why burst cannon can "compete" with scattergun

[narrow niche]

isnt it suppoed to be burst?

[turbid horizon]

like I know it’s technically way more efficient for giants but man it feels shit

Doesn’t have the OOMPH anymore

[upper ginkgo]

maybe it's the ratio between the amount of bullets shot per burst and the cooldown between shots

[turbid horizon]

like the actual feel of the gun just feels ass now

there’s no feeing of power

the 5 burst just felt so good

And satisfying

[hazy wedge]

I’ll make it shoot a single burst of its entire mag

[halcyon current]

Man says, being able to casually 1 burst a giant to the back

[turbid horizon]

i mean you can still do that

[hazy wedge]

Mfw 10cc devs took the gimmick out of BC 😭

[turbid horizon]

they took the fun out

And also just made it a bit worse

[narrow niche]

real...

[turbid horizon]

“Reduced delay between bursts” my ass they did

it was like < 0.1 s change iirc

[digital mural]

one day ill be mature enough to read "BC" without laughing

[halcyon current]

I've never gotten to use old BC but to my understanding that thing was goofy strong

[turbid horizon]

i mean ALT R3 BC

[hazy wedge]

Old BC and sniper 😔

[turbid horizon]

i miss them so much

And old scattergun too

Because I didn’t feel like a heathen taking it

[hazy wedge]

But that’s why I made a rundown fuck vanilla guns

[upper ginkgo]

og scattergun??

[turbid horizon]

Not og

All variants of scattergun were at least powerful unfortunately

[upper ginkgo]

3 mag scattergun...

[halcyon current]

One of my friends is into Carbine Scattergun rn and I'm ngl I didn't know I could feel so strongly about someone else's loadout

[turbid horizon]

I wish it had been balanced

[hazy wedge]

Auto scattergun was so goated (real)

[turbid horizon]

My og R6 loadout was Burst Rufle and scater

[halcyon current]

Burst rifle doesn't have the same social stigma as carbine imo

[turbid horizon]

then it was AR/BC in R3

[turbid horizon]

it has the best flashlight in the game

[upper ginkgo]

i think most people forget that burst rifle even exists

[halcyon current]

It's the bot gun to me

[turbid horizon]

and a cool signt

i love burst rifle

It my baby

[upper ginkgo]

crazy how 10cc never buffed it

[hazy wedge]

Burst rifle is yummy

They did buff it

More ammo

[upper ginkgo]

despite the usage rate being blehhh

[halcyon current]

It's just a Russian red dot tbh

[turbid horizon]

They did

Unlike AR

[upper ginkgo]

they didn't give burst rifle the carbine treatment :(

[halcyon current]

Called an OKP-7 if you ever want to buy one

[turbid horizon]

sadge

[upper ginkgo]

usage rate too low?

buff

[turbid horizon]

i love the feel of BR so much

[upper ginkgo]

still too low

buff

[turbid horizon]

also bullpup

can we just go back to ALT R6 gun stats

like please

[upper ginkgo]

too stronk

[turbid horizon]

no

[halcyon current]

Alright I got a question

[turbid horizon]

R8 melee changes were good

[halcyon current]

Why the hell is the sawed off on every guns wiki page

[turbid horizon]

shhhhh

It’s compensating

[halcyon current]

For what, it's already insanely good

[hazy wedge]

Me when

[upper ginkgo]

mfw

[hazy wedge]

I’m waiting for 10cc to give sawed off 5 mag

[halcyon current]

3 mag but each shell can 1 shot a giant

[frail heart]

Never

[turbid horizon]

NO

[tardy ingot]

They did
Just not big buffs

[ember mulch]

Where to poop in the complex? Who had the last shit?

[tiny wyvern]

You asked for this...

[tiny wyvern]

.t bucket

[uneven gulch]

||This is my bucket. There are many like it, but this one is mine.||
||My bucket is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.||
||My bucket, without me, is useless. Without my bucket, I am useless. I must use my bucket true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will …||
||My bucket and myself know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit….||
||My bucket is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will ever guard it against the ravages of weather and damage as I will ever guard my legs, my arms, my eyes and my heart against damage. I will keep my bucket clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will ….||
||Before God, I swear this creed. My bucket and myself are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.||
||So be it, until victory and there is no enemy, but peace!!||

||https://i.imgur.com/LX0YKiG.png||

[floral acorn]

all this commotion about the only "toilet" that exists in the world of gtfo. meh.

[soft crater]

Nano Machines clearly

[tribal tusk]

What’s the best way to take care of Charger Scouts?

[digital mural]

shooting them or foaming and melee

[livid stone]

scattergun

[soft crater]

Double Hammer it's back

[red flax]

Is syncing melee hits on charger scouts reliable enough to try? The other person I play with is on the other side of the US so there's definitely some ping on their end, not sure how much that matters to sync melee

[civic wave]

more ping honestly better, as long as client hits first

[tiny wyvern]

It's hard at first I think

[worn crow]

Yes, just takes practice

[civic wave]

but it's very consistent

[tiny wyvern]

You could get someone who could do it consistently to show you and help you practise

[civic wave]

there's not really anything to show

just charge, make sure the other person is charging, and then you both hit

[tiny wyvern]

Well mostly practise

[tiny wyvern]

Though now that i think about it
How often do you actually use sync melee

[civic wave]

honestly, pretty rarely unless you're playing modded

because you normally just kinda shoot the scout

[tardy ingot]

usually foam or guns just prevail

[ocean spindle]

u only rlly sync melee for cscouts ever

that's the only enemy it like spoilers too, and i guess giants too

but giants it's different

not so much hurting at the same time, just following up the stagger chair

[tiny wyvern]

The only times you need to get gud at sync hits is well...
R7C3 if you can't find foam

[tardy ingot]

which, will never happen

also iix syringes

[ocean spindle]

i mean in general u can sync hit almost every cscout if that's what u mean

[tiny wyvern]

Yea

[tardy ingot]

You can even do a funny melee hit into mine kill

[ocean spindle]

not rlly out of necessity but more so just cause it's fun

[tardy ingot]

not that id recommend it

[ocean spindle]

once i did that but it was a foam mine and it helped the bots hit it with me :3

[indigo lion]

do all enemies from alarm wave spawn simultaneously or there is some kind of period in which small groups spawn one after another?

[livid stone]

im pretty sure ive seen them trickle in

[civic wave]

some will spawn immediately (maybe about 30-50% of the wave), and then the remaining enemies will spawn in afterwards

[silent delta]

depends on the alarm type

standard alarms spawn in a big wave, and then when that wave is close to dead, another spawns in

[indigo lion]

if i finish last scan shortly after next wave started do enemies stop spawning?

[silent delta]

yes

[civic wave]

ya

[silent delta]

you can tell when a new wave spawns by the distant scream

if you finish the scans and dont hear a second scream, congrats, u only have to fight one wave

so technically if you're close to done with a scan, it could be optimal to not kill things till the scans are done to ensure you dont get a second wave

[civic wave]

or in select circumstances, you can step off scan to spawn even more enemies

you can see this in r4e1 speedruns to get enough enemies behind you to block tank spawn

[silent delta]

do tanks count as 2 boys or 3 for spawn cap

[civic wave]

I think if I remember what brandon said, technically 1.5

[silent delta]

why]

[civic wave]

you think I know?

[halcyon current]

Poor half a tank wandering around

[silent delta]

this is a "why, developers"

this game is made with popsicle sticks and elmers glue

[indigo lion]

i meant like if i hear a scream and finish last scan a second later do i have to fight a full wave or only those 30-50% that spawn immediately?

[silent delta]

nah

scream = new wave

if you hear the scream, full wave spawns

[indigo lion]

full wave then

bummer

[frail heart]

No it can be half wave

[silent delta]

it can?

[frail heart]

Yes

[silent delta]

live dread misinformation

hows that work

[inland wedge]

yo anyone know how to fix being stuck on the loading screen after they very first cutscene

[digital mural]

#1049599987878723635

[fallen kite]

The scream happens during wave spawn not before/after, i’m assuming

[minor fractal]

Scream will happen on first group, but you don't need the other groups to spawn.

A wave will be 17-25 enemies, while a group will be 5-10.

[prime musk]

what proportion of shooters spawn during a normal alarm?
1 per 3 strikers? 5 strikers?

[strange jolt]

17 is for diminished alarms right?

same with the 5 minimum or is it just rng sometimes even on normal ones

[minor fractal]

17 is the starting population for the vast majority of waves

      "m_chanceToRandomizeSpawnDirectionPerWave": 1.0,
      "m_chanceToRandomizeSpawnDirectionPerGroup": 0.1,
      "m_overrideWaveSpawnType": false,
      "m_survivalWaveSpawnType": "InRelationToClosestAlivePlayer",
      "m_populationPointsTotal": -1.0,
      "m_populationPointsPerWaveStart": 17.0,
      "m_populationPointsPerWaveEnd": 25.0,
      "m_populationPointsMinPerGroup": 5.0,
      "m_populationPointsPerGroupStart": 5.0,
      "m_populationPointsPerGroupEnd": 10.0,
      "m_populationRampOverTime": 200.0,
      "name": "Apex",
      "internalEnabled": true,
      "persistentID": 1

90% of alarms use these settings.

[halcyon current]

Yes these words mean something, surely

I'm sure someone who wears thigh high socks can explain this to me

[feral cypress]

what

just read them

[minor fractal]

"m_populationRampOverTime": 200.0
This is a timer for 200s that scales everything in the wave settitngs from min to max while the alarm is running.

So 90% of alarms are waves of 17 enemies

Over 200 seconds, this ramps up to 25 enemies per wave.

[ocean spindle]

alarms RAMP UP?

[silk radish]

If you really want to be confused, you should look at the wave pause settings and try to wrap your head around how that works

[minor fractal]

Yes?

Was this not common knowledge?

[silk radish]

R2E1 error

[ocean spindle]

oh my god

[ocean spindle]

that's a given but NOTMAL ONES?

this is eye opening oh my fucking god

[digital mural]

normal alarms ramp up?

[silk radish]

Yeah, 3-4 waves will have a few more enemies, if the alarm goes on for that long

[ocean spindle]

suddenly pieces start clicking in my head

[digital mural]

Why did no one told me this

Wtf

[hardy grotto]

I feel like it’s pretty hard to notice with normal alarms

[silk radish]

This game has a lot of hidden knowledge

[ocean spindle]

why was this not common knowledge omg qwq

[hardy grotto]

because yeah most just don’t last that long

[digital mural]

How i am discovering this 500 hours into the game

💀

[ocean spindle]

if y'all knew for so long WHY ISNT IT ON THE WIKI KDNSKDM

i'm joking i probs know why but

omg my god

[sturdy glen]

wait I thought that was common knowledge too

what

[silk radish]

Cause it isn't true for all alarms, and documenting which alarms use which settings would be a headache

[ocean spindle]

qwq

i mean no one told me

[hardy grotto]

maybe these things would appear on the wiki if people didn’t spend more of their time coming up with the worst fucking trivia

[ocean spindle]

no one says it kdmsk

[sturdy glen]

its why solo is kinda fucked if you actually shoot alarms

[silk radish]

I'll have you know I have great trivia

[halcyon current]

Or putting a picture of the sawn off shotgun in every weapon page

I still want to know who and why

[ocean spindle]

i mean but this is even a trivia "some normal alarms ramp up as they go"

[minor fractal]

It literally is, though.

90% of alarms use the Apex settings.

[ocean spindle]

all alarms ramp up this is so fucked up

[silk radish]

I said it isn't true for all alarms
I guess you could say these are the standard settings, and mark out which alarms are different, but again that sounds like a headache

[ocean spindle]

this means that bot runs are also harder cause u cannot do the circles so fast

qwq 1k hours still figuring things out

this games so fucking deep I LOVE IT GRAHHH

[minor fractal]

What specifically. Because again, 90% of alarms ramp, even more of the settings ramp.

Errors are the only alarms that don't tend to ramp all of the time.

[ocean spindle]

i mean it's like unnecessary to mark it can just be put as a fun fact
as a trivia if u will

[hardy grotto]

What about surges :DDDD

[ocean spindle]

surges ramps :3 omg from 25 enemies to 26 every 400 seconds

[silk radish]

Surges use the same ramp but mess with the group pause timings

[minor fractal]

The group size ramps, but that's basically it.

You wouldn't really notice

because it hits cap anyway

[hardy grotto]

The secret double enemy cap surge at 700 seconds

[ocean spindle]

it does ramp- omg kdmskd

[hardy grotto]

It’s real

[ocean spindle]

man this game has so much under its mechanics it's so crazy

[minor fractal]

Diminished I don't think has a common setting

there's like 10 used in various places.

[halcyon current]

Tbh I don't think I've even seen a diminished yet

[digital mural]

Which rundown are You currently?

[halcyon current]

R4

Did my first run of R4D2 a day ago but I am firmly in elden rings grip rn

[silk radish]

Reactor wave settings + Timed Terminal sequence settings (22 & 43)

[minor fractal]

Scout waves as well, but that makes sense since these are population-based waves.

[ocean spindle]

uhh when it's the first diminished...

i think in r5

[sturdy glen]

r5a3 I Think

[minor fractal]

R5Ext added it, yeah.

[ocean spindle]

either r5d2- or some other r5 early level

oh a3

right the final scan i think

i just remember the funny d2 alarm being diminished cause it fucks u over so much more like that

[minor fractal]

In general, I don't think the exceptions are too hard to understand.

Like, if I'm coming across an alarm for the first time, it's easy to guess at whether it will ramp or not.

(and whether it could be either or)

[mossy dome]

does anyone have a recommendation for what level(s) to run for The Inner achievement?

[narrow niche]

r8a1

[minor fractal]

R7D2 😎

[frail heart]

6 minute level

[fallen kite]

THIS MAKES SO MUCH FUCKING SENSE OH MY GOD

[tardy ingot]

If you want to get it asap
R8A1 on repeat
If you want to have fun, just cycle through good fast missions like r7d2 and r3d1

[hard nexus]

Just need a shit host that can create infinite loading

That's how I got it

[safe cradle]

I never noticed normal alarms ramping up but to be honest unless you solo it's kinda rare to have a non-error alarm last more than 200 seconds

I'm curious what the difference in "population points" is between sleepers

Do strikers and shooters cost the same? Does everything cost the same? I wonder about Chargers too.

[fallen kite]

I think strikers, shooters chargers and any variant of them that are small take up 1 slot

giants,hybrids, chickens, bbcs take up 2 or 3 not sure

and bosses, no clue

[tardy ingot]

iirc shadows are less than 1 no?

and chargers usually spawn in smaller groups but im not sure whether that matters

[tiny wyvern]

Shadows 0.75

giant and similar enemies count as two

and strikers and similar are 1

[native sun]

How much an enemy costs depends on the alarm's settings.

But in the most typical alarm settings Strikers/Shooters will cost 1 while Giants will cost 2.

[topaz anvil]

I like my strikers to cost 1.01 😎

[tiny wyvern]

That's a custom feature?

I always thought it'd be baked in

And just can't be changed

makes sense I guess

[minor fractal]

It's both

There's a per-wave cost value, and then a per-enemy cost that counts towards global cap.

[tiny wyvern]

Interesting

[rustic plinth]

solo killing strikers in stealth doable?

like the giant dudes

[tardy ingot]

yup

[rustic plinth]

i see videos of people hitting every limb one by one starting with the head

but when i do it he screams and others hear it

[tardy ingot]

abuse back damage and limb breaks (hitting limbs so they break)

you cant fully charge cuz that would give it enough time to scream (or attack)

[rustic plinth]

aaah

i see

how much should i charge it up

[tardy ingot]

i dunno about the % values

test it out (id recommend r2b2) or check out what people in guides for it do

its pretty far tho

about 75% or more

[rustic plinth]

ive only beaten level 1

[tardy ingot]

ah
then you generally shouldnt have to worry about soloing giants too much anyhow

[halcyon current]

It's good to learn

Gonna be easier to practice earlier imo

[tardy ingot]

well yea

but after R1A1 is a bit early

soloing giants is rly more intermediate

[ocean spindle]

if ur playing with bots they should help u out meleeing giants

[rustic plinth]

i dont play with bots on

[tardy ingot]

why not :o?

[ocean spindle]

ok then if u have a team they got ur back ksks

[rustic plinth]

dont like them

[halcyon current]

Emphasis on the word should

[civic furnace]

good choice :3

[ocean spindle]

:[

[tardy ingot]

bots are a good choice if you are new and solo honestly

[ocean spindle]

no i mean
they do

[silent delta]

bots can be quite silly at times

[tardy ingot]

this game doesnt support solo play in the way other games do

[rustic plinth]

i know

[silent delta]

such as the blow your teammates brains out with a shotgun silly

[rustic plinth]

i wait for my friends to get on

[halcyon current]

I've seen them stand there and stare at me while I hit Giants Slendi

[ocean spindle]

that's ur fault

[silent delta]

u right

[digital mural]

my bots always shoot when i try to stealth a giant

[silent delta]

my fault for giving the bot a shotgun lmao

[digital mural]

💀

[ocean spindle]

have u tried like not being stinky or something

[rustic plinth]

ik its insanely hard to do

[tardy ingot]

and they just help

[ocean spindle]

that's cause it's the last enemy and u should know that by now

[rustic plinth]

but have people beaten the whole game solo no bots?

[silent delta]

well that just sounds like a skill issue mr jake

[digital mural]

its just funny

[tardy ingot]

not without exploits no

[halcyon current]

It's not insanely hard, there are functionally impossible to solo levels

[tardy ingot]

with exploits its now been fully beaten

[rustic plinth]

oooh

[silent delta]

does ladderfoam count as an exploit

[rustic plinth]

im hyped to keep going

[digital mural]

sometimes theres like 5 enemies in the room and they start blasting without anything else waking up

[halcyon current]

You are about to start an entire debacle here man

[tardy ingot]

imo yes
but theres far worse ones that need to be used

[silent delta]

live slendo misinformation

[tardy ingot]

funnily enouhg

[rustic plinth]

is there a wiki or something where i can see all the terminal commands and shortcuts

[tardy ingot]

im making a speedrun glitch/exploit spreadsheet rn

[ocean spindle]

there is always a reasoning so it could've been room dividers, enemies from behind, actual long distances or u woke up the room

[silent delta]

scaler has a good video on it

[tardy ingot]

and im stumped on what to add (that i might forgor rn)

[ocean spindle]

they aren't as random as people make them to be

[silent delta]

i mean, where do you draw the line

[tardy ingot]

terminal commands? those are on the terms themsleves
shortcuts? huh what do you mean

[silent delta]

is having someone stand in a different room to force spawns an "exploit"?

[tardy ingot]

least influental rn is either super jumps, start commands or guessing passwords
harshest is early drop bug

its only things that can be helpful in speedruns (so no liquid bug)

[tardy ingot]

i have spawn blocking in it, just to explain but its allowed either way

[silent delta]

is bringing sawed off/hel rifle an "exploit"

[halcyon current]

Yes

[ocean spindle]

what's súper jump?

[tardy ingot]

yes
it exploits the poor enemies

[silent delta]

real

[tardy ingot]

jump a sprint jump distance on your first jump with a heavy object

[halcyon current]

Bringing scattergun is an exploit

[ocean spindle]

ahhh right

[silent delta]

boing boing boing

[ocean spindle]

i remember practicing that kdmskd but it's hard without scroll wheel jump

i got like 2 3 maximum

[silent delta]

im glad that frame perfect bhops have applications in every single video game

[halcyon current]

I wish more games embraced them

[ocean spindle]

i mean why

[digital mural]

because its cool

[tardy ingot]

no you are thinking of blackhops

super jump is just the first jump

[halcyon current]

Because I grew up playing CSS and it's fun

[tardy ingot]

which is super easy to do

[ocean spindle]

frame perfect jumps in almost all games are kinda not possible unless u bind jump to something ese or spam it like crazy

or have perfect accuracy out of this world

[ocean spindle]

oh

neverminds then :3

[digital mural]

wdym kinda not possible?

[ocean spindle]

i mean maybe it's the games i've played or my skill issue but in gtfo i don't think it's rlly possible to chain several frame perfect jumps just with the space bar

and same goes for- for example- half life 2

[minor fractal]

Depends how many blackhops you want.

[tardy ingot]

repeatedly doing frame perfect inputs over hundreds of times in a row is pretty hard

[minor fractal]

Hitting a few is not too difficult.

[ocean spindle]

generally just 10 20 it's difficult

so asking for it to be normalized in most games sounds

a bit iffy

[silent delta]

the game that comes to mind for me first, after source games, is doom eternal

[halcyon current]

Titanfall 2 ngl

[silent delta]

doom eternal bhops are ridiculous lmao

[halcyon current]

Quake

[silent delta]

yeah all source games its pretty frame perfect

[civic wave]

are we on the gtfo is a movement game discussion again

[ocean spindle]

i mean not just source but some games in general

[halcyon current]

Tbf it's margainlly easier in old ones

[ocean spindle]

no

[digital mural]

games in general

[silent delta]

more just bhops in gaming in general

[digital mural]

read

[ocean spindle]

smh goat

[digital mural]

[ocean spindle]

:3

[halcyon current]

Like bhopping in CSS is much easier then CSGO

[civic wave]

i am going to sprint jump in minecraft to go faster

[tardy ingot]

nah i just talked about doing the glitch/exploit spreadsheet rn

[civic wave]

you cannot stop me

[tardy ingot]

and im stumped on what to add

[silent delta]

ice boat highway in gtfo when

[digital mural]

everything is an exploit in this game

scatter? exploit

[silent delta]

are u taking suggestions

[tardy ingot]

well yea

[ocean spindle]

wdym

[halcyon current]

Right after they let sleepers drive forklifts

[ocean spindle]

i was talking about jumps in games

[civic wave]

what's the difference between a tech and an exploit

[tardy ingot]

you did that after we started that slendi

[civic wave]

e.g uplink log skip

[ocean spindle]

well bottom line bhops are hard :3
don't normalize them most of the time they are too easy to exploit

[silent delta]

enemy hitboxes don't update until they're done with the animation so you can hit them in the back even though the model is facing you

[tardy ingot]

uplink log skip?

[halcyon current]

If I can do it? It's tech. If I can't do it? Exploit. Simple as.

[silent delta]

they're not hard just bind scroll wheel to jump 🫠

[civic wave]

the thing where you use logs/cls to get through codes faster no?

[digital mural]

so people that complain of door cheese cant do door cheese

makes sense

[tardy ingot]

ah terminal skip

[ocean spindle]

THATS WHAT I SAID GOOBER

[tardy ingot]

yea thats in

@civic wave theres a screenshot on speedrun discord

[silent delta]

slendo u should try bhopping after binding scroll wheel to jump, it makes it much easier

[halcyon current]

Correct, there is no underlying sarcasm in my statement at all either. I promise.

[ocean spindle]

that in most games they are so hard the jump is binded to scrooll wheel- FKSKSMAKD SMH

:[

[silent delta]

lmao

[halcyon current]

Tbf what do you actually use scroll wheel for?

[digital mural]

slendi you should try to bhop

oh wait

[silent delta]

in doom eternal the settings dont even allow you to bind jump to the scroll wheel

you have to use console commands

to map it

[digital mural]

exploits

[silent delta]

but its still allowed in speedruns

[digital mural]

mods, nuke him

[ocean spindle]

cállese hombre horrible

[halcyon current]

You can also just Bhop in DOOM Eternal

It's not that hard

[silent delta]

tienes un cerebro muy pequenisimo

[digital mural]

:(

[silent delta]

speak for yourself

[digital mural]

pequenisimo

[ocean spindle]

VEAN A ESTE USUARIO

NO PUEDE ESCRIBIR Ñ

[digital mural]

Ñ

[halcyon current]

Uhhh

[ocean spindle]

RÍANSE DE ÉL

[halcyon current]

Uhhh

[ocean spindle]

ñ

[silent delta]

tengo un teclado estupido

[ocean spindle]

:]

[silent delta]

no se que quieres de mi

[halcyon current]

Puta pendejos

That'll show em

[ocean spindle]

:O

[silent delta]

pene pequeno

[halcyon current]

Jokes on you, these words mean nothing to me

[silent delta]

that makes it better

[halcyon current]

If I had image perms I'd post a Bald Eagle gif right here

[silent delta]

WHAT THE FUCK IS A KILOMETERRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[soft crater]

No mames wey

[ocean spindle]

me when the deepest point of the pool is measure in meters and not hamsters on motorcycles like how the founding fathers would've wanted

[soft crater]

This pool is 3 chairs deep

[halcyon current]

I haven't been to a pool in a really long time but I remember them being in feet ngl

[ocean spindle]

damn too deep for me :[

[ocean spindle]

yes and it's stupid

fucking americanos

[silent delta]

me when it's in miles per hour and not ak-47s per liberated nation

[ocean spindle]

kilometer per hour IS SO MUCH EASIER GRAHHH

i hate driving games that starts with mph

[silent delta]

skill issue

[soft crater]

Me being reminded. Cod doing smth stupid.
RPK conversion kit into 50. BMG

[silent delta]

we only use FREEDOM UNITS

[halcyon current]

KPM sounds cooler cause it has bigger numbers which sounds faster

[silent delta]

we on the gtfo chat love bigger numbers

[halcyon current]

You're goddamn right

Numbers go up? Good.

Numbers go down? Bad. Very bad, the worst even.

[silent delta]

this is why scattergun is the best gun in the game

[digital mural]

worst*

[silent delta]

and this is why short rifle is the worst in the game

[digital mural]

:)

[halcyon current]

I personally am not opposed to metric fwiw

[silent delta]

lmao i love how the wiki dogs on the short rifle

[halcyon current]

Good luck convincing everyone else

[silent delta]

i would give anything to have been raised in a culture that uses metric

because i am an engineer

and my brain still thinks in imperial units

:(

[halcyon current]

Tbh

The fucked up part is most practical fields in America will use metric measurements

[silent delta]

bro the entire engineering school at my uniersity does

[halcyon current]

At least most of the ones I've worked in

[silent delta]

we had an entire unit in ece 101 that was making sure we all knew si prefixes lmao

[halcyon current]

When I was working in water purification most of if not all of the measurements we used were metric

Especially cause we shipped internationally and to the military so often

[hard nexus]

Metric masterrace

[tardy ingot]

going through these glitches/exploits is honestly so funny

[whole summit]

How does range work? Does the damage just drop off after their given range?

[digital mural]

yes

more range = less and less dmg

[whole summit]

is there a good way to tell how far a weapons range is ingame?

[frail heart]

eyes

[stiff hearth]

Can anyone tell me the directions of each log hunt in r6d3 in relation to the central terminal?
For example, r3a3 is center, left, left, center (excluding the codes given at the top of the screen)

did main only yesterday and planning to do PE next, I want to be prepared better but start of main is pain for soloing purposes

[frail heart]

left, right, right, middle, left

[stiff hearth]

thx bro

[rustic plinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol5lSF4DJyA

this you?

[tardy ingot]

yea

[rustic plinth]

That's so cool you popped up in my yt feed

I was like wait I think I've seen this pfp before

Do you stand by your rankings? An experienced friend of mine said hel guns are ass and he runs the bull pup rifle

[digital mural]

hel weapons are the best in the game

like

top tier

[rustic plinth]

Just wondering cause ur vid was made forever ago

[rustic plinth]

Interesting

[digital mural]

bullpup

💀

the worst auto in the game

[digital mural]

all of the hel weapons are really really good

[civic wave]

Hel gun is harder to use than a lot of guns, but is exceptionally strong

[digital mural]

he meant hel guns

not hel gun

[civic wave]

It's a clear top 4 special weapon at least, if not top 2

[rustic plinth]

I really hate the charge up

[rustic plinth]

I mean all piercing weapons

[civic wave]

All Hel weapons are crazy good

[tardy ingot]

There havent been any noticeable changes since then

[rustic plinth]

Ok thx goat

[digital mural]

hel revo is still top tier

hel rifle good as always

hel pp is hel pp

:3

[civic wave]

I still take autopistol for r2e1

[tardy ingot]

i stand by the list in general
Theres a few things id move around slightly. But nothing major that would change the implication of how good a gun is for playing this game

[frail heart]

LMAOOOOOOOOO

[tardy ingot]

theres another list, by rayalot, which has some changes in comparision (hes also in that video) but its more aimed at more difficult style play

and yea

Hel weapons are all rly good. Bullpup is quite bad @rustic plinth

[rustic plinth]

Why's bullpup bad?

[tardy ingot]

in general the only thing thats outdated in those videos is hel auto sentry in the tool video

Its noticeably better (while still being incredible niche and not a good general pick)

[digital mural]

low dmg, bad reload speed

really bad reload speed

[tardy ingot]

Full autos in general arent good in this game. They lack damage, time to kill and more

Bullpup specifically has a noticeably long reload aswell

so you shoot and dont do much, but you also reload a longer time than other guns

(Other main weapons with long reloads are either exceptionally powerful (hel shotgun), have a reload cancel (dmr, going from 2.3 to a bit over 1 second) or both (hel revolver)

[rustic plinth]

Interesting

[digital mural]

in other words
give a try to the hel guns

they are really powerful

[rustic plinth]

I definitely will

We're playing every night so I'm trying to learn a bunch more before we play cause we getting our asses kicked

[digital mural]

welcome to GTFO

[tardy ingot]

getting your ass kicked is pretty typical since this game revolves a lot about knowledge

[digital mural]

you will spend hours and hours failing and failing

[tardy ingot]

knowing how to stealth, how to use your tools etc

[rustic plinth]

The stealth is "our" biggest problem rn

[tardy ingot]

Cough cough

[digital mural]

enemy throbbing = dont move

thats it

[tardy ingot]

there definetly isnt a massive stealth guide that has everything in it

[digital mural]

thats all you neec to know

[tardy ingot]

:^ )

[digital mural]

SELF PROMOTION

MODS

BAN HIM

[tardy ingot]

[rustic plinth]

THAT WAS YOU???

I WATCHED THAT

[digital mural]

#guides-and-reviews yeah check Eva's guide

[digital mural]

you will see a lot of familiar faces in here

the community is small

small small

[rustic plinth]

I was told the community is toxic AF but y'all are helpful

[tardy ingot]

but ye
Jokes aside

That stealth guide is for that reason
Im still working on an all encompassing alarm/reactor guide but mic quality rn isnt as good as i want it to be

[digital mural]

💀 ?

[rustic plinth]

It was in another guide

[digital mural]

ah

[tardy ingot]

we are toxic to people who hate on the game for bad reasons (whiny beginners who blame the game over themselves for example)

[digital mural]

where is that guide

steam?

[rustic plinth]

I think 50 tips and tricks for beginners

[digital mural]

huh

[tardy ingot]

ah scalers guide

[rustic plinth]

Nah yt

Yea probably

One of the first things was don't play solo it's hard and try using discord then he says people are super toxic

[tardy ingot]

yea i play with scaler quite often

hes a goofball and the guide daddy

i feel like he didnt say it quite that way

[digital mural]

LOL

[tardy ingot]

but yea
The community is generally trying to be helpful if you show that you want to learn

[rustic plinth]

That's how I interpreted it

Also with bio scanner

There's white which are sleepers and striker

But little pepperoni IDK what it means

[digital mural]

little red dots are a bug

[tardy ingot]

White dots = sleeping enemies
Red dots (same size as white) = awake enemies/scout

Small red dots = unloaded enemies (its a bug)

[rustic plinth]

Ahhhh

I thought they were special

Also I may be dumb but are there multiple levels in a rundown?

[digital mural]

Yes

[rustic plinth]

I heard about alternates but I don't see how to access them

[digital mural]

A rundown is a set of Expeditions (level)

[rustic plinth]

Ahhh

I think I mean on rundown one level one

[digital mural]

There were OG rundowns the first ones that were released but they were removed and added back as alternate rundowns

[silent delta]

ar is worse

[rustic plinth]

Ah ok

[silent delta]

as long as ur chill we chill

[digital mural]

Nah

Bullpup is worse

[silent delta]

1.0 prec multi is silly

i unironically run it sometimes on easier levels lmao

[digital mural]

I unironically use bullpup too

[silent delta]

like while it's up, its great!

[halcyon current]

I'll run whatever I want on A/Bs tbh

Excellent time to use burst pistol and not feel bad about it

[tardy ingot]

AR is worse than bullpup

[tiny wyvern]

in every way or just some?

[tardy ingot]

some

overall

not every way

[silent delta]

bullpup is an ok gun while it's up, but you have to commit to like a 2.3s reload

ar is kinda shit, but at least it has a decent reload

[soft crater]

[tiny wyvern]

hey solace

[soft crater]

yeah I exist

tired af

[winged turtle]

most enjoy helping, and but push back being told what to do by people with less experience

[silent delta]

let me introduce to you the short rifle

[past mesa]

We are definitely very toxic

But not to new players we are toxic to people who are socially inept

[rustic plinth]

wdym

[halcyon current]

hang out long enough, you'll see

happens once a week or so

[winged turtle]

it keeps us regular
sometimes its in gtfo-chat, sometimes questions, sometimes lfg-na

[neon gust]

suggon deez

[neon gust]

yeah we hella toxic

you walk into the wrong neighborhood

silly goose!

[past mesa]

Who is Steve jobs

[neon gust]

ligma balls

have you seen GOOGLE SIMA

[past mesa]

What is google sima

[neon gust]

wanna sima balls

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979780566633287700/1240739070699900948/togif.gif

damn

[past mesa]

Tjoma balls

[rustic plinth]

below the rundown it says completed and has these brackets [] and a 1 inbetween what does that mean

[past mesa]

It means you complete the level once

[digital mural]

Number of times You completed the level or objectives

[past mesa]

On that level of difficulty sometimes it has more sometimes it doesn’t

[rustic plinth]

oh so its just how many times ive done it

[digital mural]

Rundown 4 and afterwards have more objectives

1st bracket is Main obj
2nd bracket is secondary
3rd bracket is overload
4th bracket is Prisioner efficiency (doing all objectives in a single run)

[prime musk]

Do long range/short range aggro still trigger if the enemy being killed is shot

[tardy ingot]

yes

[rustic plinth]

when i do alarm doors when do they stop spawning?

is it after i complete the scans or after i open the door?

[ocean spindle]

after u complete the scans

opening the door right after the alarm ends will pull the enemies inside the room so don't :3

[rustic plinth]

ok cool

thanks

[ocean spindle]

it's oki

[silent delta]

when the thingy pops up on ur hud that says bioscan complete the waves stop spawning

[tiny wyvern]

A scream tells you that there's more coming though

So if you finish the scan and a scream happens immediately

[rustic plinth]

every time i play with my group i open the door immediately

[tiny wyvern]

you get a punish wave

[tiny wyvern]

dont do that

[rustic plinth]

to stop them but i see im dumb

[tiny wyvern]

no matter wha

open early means no shooting

cause gunshots wake everything up

means the last of the wave needs to be cleared with melee

means losing health

means usually dying for beginners

and waste of ammo if you aren't that good

Always wait until the bg music does the drum roll or goes completely silent

then open doors

There can be strags but much better than opening doors early

Anything other questions @rustic plinth

[rustic plinth]

not rn but im sure ill ask a lot more

[tiny wyvern]

failure is a good teacher
if after you fail you don't understand smth feel free to ask

Better that than carrying misconceptions

and teaching bad things to others

word of mouth is a powerful thing

[silent delta]

thatll work right up until theres a scout on the other side

[hard nexus]

The former but also when music stops

Looking at you sleeper who got stuck in the wall/on the desk

[mighty bison]

Im stuck on R2E1 wipe usually at the apex door. What are some advices

[minor fractal]

Play R3

I assume this is w/ bots?

[mighty bison]

No

with people

[minor fractal]

What tools?

[mighty bison]

C foam, mine, burst sentry and bio tracker

[minor fractal]

Run double burst

drop foam

[tardy ingot]

also what guns (if they struggle with surges early on)

[exotic meadow]

does cracked game players play with others?

[minor fractal]

No, GTFO is always online.

[mighty bison]

Im running carbine and hell gun

The others are just randoms

from lfg

[mighty bison]

Cant foam be good in the first surge?

idk

[minor fractal]

No?