don't ask questions just try it
#gtfo-related-questions
fallen kite
upper ginkgo
wow rude
fallen kite
its good advice
sudden dune
ty!
ocean spindle
me sniping [im just picking precision rifle instead of sniper :3]
slow mist
solo is so hard ;-;
ocean spindle
solo is so hard ;-;
it be :3
neon gust
neon gust
:]
dawn sigil
https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/523134183237746706/1083332107918...
Damn it... Now I can't not think that
narrow niche
hwat
soft crater
https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/523134183237746706/1083332107918...
Then what is Hel rifle to Helgun
narrow niche
you are all concerning
past mesa
https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/523134183237746706/1083332107918...
that chat log is crazy
. @sturdy glen
omg
he fore told history
ocean spindle
being a main ended up being the thing
narrow niche
artek was right as usual
past mesa
this is so sad can we get the artek opinion generator
narrow niche
carbine is just pistol...
hidden ridge
this is so sad can we get the artek opinion generator
I can try, let's roll some dice
11,2,4,14
DMR is slightly different from Burst Rifle, it's better.
narrow niche
DMR is slightly different from Burst Rifle, it's better.
NO FUCK
hidden ridge
1d35 for weapons, then 1d4 for much different, different, similiar, same a 1d5 for much worse, worse, same, better, much better and another 1d35 for weapons
narrow niche
holy shit thats literally the carbine and pistol thing
hidden ridge
Want to roll again?
hidden ridge
12,2,3,9
ocean spindle
is it like the date and number of message
hidden ridge
DTR is different from HSMG, it's the same
ocean spindle
DTR is different from HSMG, it's the same
what does that even mean
hidden ridge
29,1,3,18
narrow niche
1d35 for weapons, then 1d4 for much different, different, similiar, same a 1d5 f...
you could add like
more skill based etc
hidden ridge
Hel gun is much different from Slug Shotgun, but they're equal
narrow niche
im gonna cry
hidden ridge
Also GTFO only has 33 weapons (non melee) so it's a 1d33 I guess
civic wave
this is repetitive, can we make one with gtfo player names
narrow niche
this is repetitive, can we make one with gtfo player names
this is not ideal
hidden ridge
Sure you could if you find something with all the players or do a list
narrow niche
Sure you could if you find something with all the players or do a list
eva probably has one now
Carbine is the brainless upgrade to pistol. An argument can be made its the same thing basically, even if it spreads its damage output across 4 bullets. Better DPS, got a nice sight... Relatively speaking.
Otherwise anything is fine if you can use it. With sole exception being HEL AutoPistol, not sure how to get milleage out of that thing.
hidden ridge
then assign some numbers and roll
narrow niche
<3
ocean spindle
mhh
narrow niche
ly
ocean spindle
thinking hsmg was very based when it first came out i think
narrow niche
literally bd...
ocean spindle
yeah but it wasn't until the buffs
halcyon current
I didn't like PDW or SMG at all fwiw to you, just HSmg
Even tho I think it's literally only like .5 more damage or something
halcyon current
PR?
carmine crescent
Even tho I think it's literally only like .5 more damage or something
It has a different feel
halcyon current
Agreed
carmine crescent
Feels way more powerful
civic wave
full auto weapons are just kinda
civic wave
idk they feel underwhelming and feel like they lack killing power and really nice stagger
halcyon current
Yes
carmine crescent
PR is one of my favorites
halcyon current
Hel Shotty is a bad gun for bad players
carmine crescent
Hel Shotty is a bad gun for bad players
Agreed
Thatβs why I use the slug shotgun
narrow niche
idk they feel underwhelming and feel like they lack killing power and really nic...
wheres my 8-10 dmg automatic...
civic wave
in modded somewhere
narrow niche
in modded somewhere
fuck
narrow niche
just shoot twice the har
that feels really bad
ocean spindle
or play my non existent rundown soon with arbalist of 10 dmg
also WHAT
HAR feels so good :[
narrow niche
no :C
carmine crescent
HAR feels so good :[
Idk it just aight
narrow niche
or play my non existent rundown soon with arbalist of 10 dmg
slendidown when
narrow niche
Thatβs why I use the slug shotgun
are these unironic takes
i cant fucking tell
i know jake is just trolling
civic wave
slug is alright in very specific circumstances
carmine crescent
Iβd just rather go heavy smg
narrow niche
The regular shotgun is the best
the best... shotgun?
halcyon current
slug is alright in very specific circumstances
Very bad around salt
carmine crescent
the best... shotgun?
Indeed
halcyon current
They do okay is moist earthy environments tho
carmine crescent
Indeed
narrow niche
hm
narrow niche
pump shottie it's based
best...
civic wave
i mean its pretty fine for an all rounder, enjoyable too
narrow niche
best...
civic wave
but scatter is bullshit broken
narrow niche
but scatter is bullshit broken
^
halcyon current
Sometimes I like bringing DMR+Shotgun and get Halo vibes
narrow niche
dmr cs...
halcyon current
but scatter is bullshit broken
Scattergun isn't a shotgun, it's a scattergun duh
carmine crescent
True
carmine crescent
Opinion on machine gun?
narrow niche
Opinion on machine gun?
low value
halcyon current
I don't like MG personally
carmine crescent
I think it aight
There are worse and there are better
But it feels powerful imo
digital mural
Bet
narrow niche
hmmm
silent delta
Carbine is the brainless upgrade to pistol. An argument can be made its the same...
is this another sleepy take
halcyon current
How long should I expect R4C3 PE to be?
digital mural
How long should I expect R4C3 PE to be?
1 hour or 1 hour and a half
maybe 2 if your team is slow
halcyon current
So, long
halcyon current
Maybe I'll go for Main and try to hit R4D1 too, ty
silent delta
How long should I expect R4C3 PE to be?
overload is pain and suffering
u could do secondary/main quite easily
halcyon current
Call me Pinhead the way I enjoy pain and suffering.
silent delta
also who is artek
soft crater
keen path
But it feels powerful imo
its powerful and has value for bad players; for good players you can do so much more with other guns than MG and bring more value
ocean spindle
at least mg is fun
keen path
it's not.
ocean spindle
it's fun to have the pew pews
sturdy glen
mg players enjoy participation awards
ocean spindle
literally me yes
digital mural
"i was there" award
ocean spindle
i plopped down sentry and use 70% mg for a class V gimme trophy pls
and completion
silent delta
sameee
they have a place in my heart for that reason
well, the veruta does
arbalist kinda stinks
but like, they're good guns
heavily outclassed
but they get value
ocean spindle
i wouldnt day heavily
specially veruta, it's basically an autopistol but with 3.something dmg
silent delta
really?
lower clip, lower firerate, way less ammo, more recoil, slower chargeup
for 2 more damage per bullet?
silent delta
to each their own, i suppose
digital mural
(coping)
silent delta
ah
i feel like a machineguns role is "theres a big group of smalls in my face im gonna hold down the funny button until everything dies"
and the veruta is a lot better at that than the arbalist
digital mural
fair enough
i dont run machineguns anymore
not since i met my beloved combat shotgun
silent delta
combat shotty is a lot better than machiengun for the "big group of enemies in my face get the fuck away" role
but mg has a bit more range
like it does its job
even if combat shotty and hel weapons are arguably better
digital mural
does range really matters when 99% of the time you will be fighting enemies right in front of you?
silent delta
i have definitely graduated past my mg-using days
which is sad, in a way
i think they're fun to use even if they aren't that good
its like peashooter in pvz
fallen kite
does range really matters when 99% of the time you will be fighting enemies righ...
BBC
inbound
silent delta
objectively worse than the alternatives, but really not worth the nostalgia
fallen kite
we know you like them
π€€
silent delta
i love getting licked by bbcs
digital mural
its like peashooter in pvz
at least in PVZ you always use the peashooter
(PVZ 1 not PVZ 2)
silent delta
i dont :(
soon as i get repeater peashooter is gone
but the emotion is there for him
silent delta
im sorry he's objectively like the 3rd worst attacking plant in the game
digital mural
now you must perish 2 times
digital mural
what the fck
silent delta
π©
ocean spindle
i think they're fun to use even if they aren't that good
not like ur prohibited now from using them
digital mural
i have seen people do very well on E tiers with machineguns
silent delta
not like ur prohibited now from using them
no i know
i still run them on easier levels
but like if im running a hard PE clear with people, i cant handicap my team like that
like im bad at the game, but im not THAT bad
i need to bring something i can clean hosue with
ocean spindle
u know it's still like perfectly usable right
minor fractal
I prohibit my pubs from playing MG on R8E2.
digital mural
like im bad at the game, but im not THAT bad
i somehow doubt that
silent delta
:(
digital mural
I prohibit my pubs from playing MG on R8E2.
toxic
mods ban him
silent delta
listen aim isnt everything
digital mural
silent delta
there more to the game than aiming
ocean spindle
bringing a machinegun to like, r6d3 isn't gonna make you lose
silent delta
minor fractal
I actually just can't have them shooting, and if they have MG they're gonna shoot alot.
ocean spindle
think i did r8d2 with machinegun funnily enough
that or a hel gun i don't remember
silent delta
i mean there are some levels its ok on
ocean spindle
i defo did b4 with an mg tho
digital mural
think i did r8d2 with machinegun funnily enough
that or a hel gun i don't remem...
machine gun is good for D2
wdym
silent delta
nothing with chargers, sucks against chargers
ocean spindle
machine gun is good for D2
ok mrs machinegun is always outranked people that's the point i'm trying to make
hard nexus
really?
It's not really explainable but yes somehow arbalist feels better to use than veruta. Overall
silent delta
wow
minor fractal
I feel the opposite, tbh.
ocean spindle
same
silent delta
i feel the exact opposite
arbalist feels clunk
y
like im trying to point a bull
digital mural
veruta feels weird
hard nexus
Yes it does
silent delta
wanders all over the place and i spend the better parts of my life reloading
ocean spindle
arbalist just isn't worth the 5 dmg, and if u NEED 5 dmg just use HAR
minor fractal
Arby is like if you took MG's redeeming qualities,
hard nexus
Both do tbh
minor fractal
and then you removed them.
digital mural
wanders all over the place and i spend the better parts of my life reloading
skull issue
hard nexus
Just don't use them
silent delta
veruta i just hold down the funny button and everything turns into blood puddles π
silent delta
skull issue
πππππππππππππππππππ
digital mural
πππππππππππππππππππ
HOW DID YOU NOT GOT AUTOMODDED
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS
ocean spindle
it's a spam in many messages thing
silent delta
digital mural
i can literally spam but i cant say male ejaculatory fluid
sperm
ocean spindle
leche
past mesa
i can literally spam but i cant say male ejaculatory fluid
just add an s
past mesa
cums
silent delta
damn
digital mural
wtf
halcyon current
Literally 1984
silent delta
either the mods dont pay attention anymore or they've decided my offenses are not egregious enough
its not like im spamming slurs lmao
digital mural
either the mods dont pay attention anymore or they've decided my offenses are no...
they probably dont even care anymore
people get automodded every single fucking day
silent delta
new challenge how many times can i say the funny cums word until i get banned
hard nexus
Ρummies
digital mural
what the fuck
silent delta
fucking p2w
hard nexus
see
digital mural
arbalist > hel shotgun
hard nexus
? yes good? no
but it feels better than veruta for some reason
like idk
recoil i guess is not as fucking nuts thus feels nicer
to control adsing
old mountain
Bot slapped them for posting too many invisible characters
brave otter
||r8e2 reactor room for third code has 1 mother 1 pmother and 2 shadow scouts, what do you guys advise to do? try to stealth one and then just shot other or shot one and deal with scout wave?||
sturdy glen
look for the term
brave otter
dont kill anything unless you have to?
sturdy glen
this is all the advice you need, trust me
frail heart
||r8e2 reactor room for third code has 1 mother 1 pmother and 2 shadow scouts, w...
btw its only 2 moms
brave otter
is it? i kinda got clapped by a late spawn enemy so i was just on the ground just heard what my teammates were saying
narrow niche
||r8e2 reactor room for third code has 1 mother 1 pmother and 2 shadow scouts, w...
the term is right there
<3
frail heart
is it? i kinda got clapped by a late spawn enemy so i was just on the ground jus...
ya 2 normal moms, 2 shadow scouts and a shit tonne of shadows
unreal portal
How do u deal with long aggro while fast stealthing? Like listening to the crackling noises?
hidden ridge
||r8e2 reactor room for third code has 1 mother 1 pmother and 2 shadow scouts, w...
Terminal is ||on the left, super close to the entrance||
hidden ridge
How do u deal with long aggro while fast stealthing? Like listening to the crack...
Depends on the room and on how fast you wanna go
Like, if the room has 3 enemies who gives a shit about long aggro, 1 dies istantly, 1 dies during animation and you can kill the last one even if it screams
Otherwise I just try to sync them with flashlight
but that ain't really "fast" stealth anymore
Also if an enemy is close enough it'll try attacking you before screaming
Which gives you even more time to just kill it
native sun
How do u deal with long aggro while fast stealthing? Like listening to the crack...
You do wanna listen for it yeah.
You can also play around it by forcing it to happen on an enemy you are happy for it to happen on. If there are multiple enemies glowing and the long range aggro roll succeeds it'll pick the clostest one. So in cases where a far enemy would be a bad long range aggro you can intentionally glow a closer one to force them to be aggroed instead and then deal with them.
unreal portal
You do wanna listen for it yeah.
You can also play around it by forcing it to h...
And the fact that only one enemy can be long aggro-ed at once, it makes the further one cannot be aggro-ed?
native sun
And the fact that only one enemy can be long aggro-ed at once, it makes the furt...
Correct.
unreal portal
but that ain't really "fast" stealth anymore
With a packed room i don't think fast stealth is very feasible, unless ur really gud.
unreal portal
Depends on the room and on how fast you wanna go
Would start with walking stealth, getting bored of crouch walking all the time
frail heart
take advantage of aussie ping and bhop to every enemy
unreal portal
Lol
tardy ingot
With a packed room i don't think fast stealth is very feasible, unless ur really...
It rly depends
Plus theres also the thing of you preferably not being 1 person doing it alone
unreal portal
Ya, doing it solo will just take my time
civic furnace
Ya, doing it solo will just take my time
Solo is the only way to go
unreal portal
Have been for me lol
silent delta
<@682620270783365232> hey man why arent you typing anymore
dont worry about it
silent delta
recoil i guess is not as fucking nuts thus feels nicer
doesnt arbalist have more recoil
ocean spindle
dont worry about it
worries about it
silent delta
good point
ocean spindle
oh
halcyon current
Knife cannot one shot chargers, correct?
civic wave
Nope
But it can 1 stab 1 slash
So a fully charged back hit into an uncharged attack
halcyon current
So it can still kill em before they wake everything up?
civic wave
So it can still kill em before they wake everything up?
Easily
silent delta
Knife cannot one shot chargers, correct?
full charge shot to the ass, then one single uncharged swing
very manageabkle
halcyon current
And it still 3 shots giants if you play well, right?
silent delta
just dont have em turn around before the firs thit
halcyon current
just dont have em turn around before the firs thit
Or panic and frantically slash if they do, right?
silent delta
And it still 3 shots giants if you play well, right?
as long as frank doesnt decide to turn around
silent delta
Or panic and frantically slash if they do, right?
u get it
halcyon current
as long as frank doesnt decide to turn around
I think I'm gonna become a knife main
silent delta
you will be a knife main until you have to fight bbcs
halcyon current
I'm just not jiving with hammer lately
halcyon current
you will be a knife main until you have to fight bbcs
That bad for em?
Hammer felt exactly the same so I figured knife might as well
silent delta
That bad for em?
no head multiplier for giga first hit, they initiate their punches a lot quicker, stagger further, are generally faster
halcyon current
Gotcha
silent delta
biter giants kinda just take a step forward if you're lucky
bbcs can run halfway across the room with a stagger
and if they turn around while doing that, no backstabs for u
halcyon current
I saw a couple of em in R4C3 last night
Not sure if main or secondary or overload
It all blended together at some point lmao
silent delta
yeah fair
theres a couple in the hsu zone in overload and a couple more in the later main zones
halcyon current
That sounds right
silent delta
they're fuckin scary bro
halcyon current
I tbh didn't have problems with em till I did lmao
silent delta
oh yeah
their stagger animations are quite long so it's not awful to melee them if he decides he feels like staggering
halcyon current
The one room mixed with them and chargers wiped the PE cause someone said pull room but we very clearly weren't ready to pull room
silent delta
but having something run at you at charger speeds and clock you for 40 is spooky
silent delta
The one room mixed with them and chargers wiped the PE cause someone said pull r...
the main zone with the scout in it?
silent delta
yeah that one's scary
halcyon current
Tbh
silent delta
i assume u have c*m gun
halcyon current
Killing scout was the easy part
Oh I just
Went through the room and melee'd it
Other guy sat by entrance doing something
silent delta
in that case, you should wake up the room by getting a free shot on a bbc
halcyon current
Other 2 were defending door
silent delta
take out one of them, retreat outside of the zone, kill stuff as it comes down the stairs
halcyon current
I was deep in room tbh
I don't exactly know what happened and after like an hour and a half I just wanted a sandwich
silent delta
i usually just hel rifle the scout and then fall back to hold
silent delta
I don't exactly know what happened and after like an hour and a half I just want...
real
halcyon current
i usually just hel rifle the scout and then fall back to hold
It was pubs, we severely suffered from a lack of being on the same page
silent delta
if you dont have foam you're probably gonna want it, its not strictly necessary for the level but it reduces the headache quite a bit imo
silent delta
It was pubs, we severely suffered from a lack of being on the same page
oh you're pubbing
yeah good fucking luck lmao
halcyon current
One dude tried to commandeer lobby strats
And wanted to slow stealth fucking everything
silent delta
that level was hard enough with three competent friends
but making to that zone without wiping is good progress
halcyon current
Tbh I think we would've had it if not for mentals getting fucked
silent delta
after you grab hsu the two hardest things (imo) are killing the tank quickly and then clearing that first zone in main
halcyon current
He cried when I put mines in the door tracts
silent delta
after that its slightly more manageable
halcyon current
He cried when the group wanted to pull rooms
halcyon current
after you grab hsu the two hardest things (imo) are killing the tank quickly and...
Tank went down fast tbh
silent delta
always nice when that happens
halcyon current
We had a burst, a scatter, and 2 hel rifles
silent delta
if you can get it in one charger wave cycle then you're golden
silent delta
We had a burst, a scatter, and 2 hel rifles
then i would be severely disappointed if you didnt
halcyon current
Yeah lmao, me too
silent delta
i think my crew had 2 hel rifles for our giant damage
fortunately tank stuck his head in the wall and went afk so we could just whale on him
halcyon current
I think for the first attempt getting secondary and overload and getting to the scout BBC charger room isn't too bad
halcyon current
fortunately tank stuck his head in the wall and went afk so we could just whale ...
You lucky bastard
GTFO really is a luck based game
silent delta
heehee
there are some luck components
but you can't capitalize on the luck if you dont have the skill
halcyon current
I'm just memeing, someone came in here last night and said they returned it cause it's entirely luck based
halcyon current
Luck only matters if you're doing some bleeding edge stuff imo
silent delta
eg in r4c3, i think that the hsu spawn thats right next to the tank door is much easier than the one that spawns on the other side of hte zone
halcyon current
Speedruns or the like
silent delta
if you get it in the far zoen you just have so much farther to walk
which means more chargers
halcyon current
That
Ik a lot of people don't want more enemies
But I love error alarms and the like
Killing things in GTFO feels good
silent delta
But I love error alarms and the like
u dont enjoy this game if u arent a masochist
we revel in the pain
civic wave
if you get it in the far zoen you just have so much farther to walk
It's not a massive distance, plus it limits chargers from spawning on both sides during tank fight
ocean spindle
Ik a lot of people don't want more enemies
i mean if ur new u may not want them
civic wave
It's a game of give and take
ocean spindle
but that's a very weird thing to say tbh kdmskd
"i don't want enemies in my enemy based game"
silent delta
It's not a massive distance, plus it limits chargers from spawning on both sides...
that and also the class 4 into the zone is waaay easier in that zone
only 2 doors instead of 3, they're closer together, easier to foam stall
halcyon current
"i don't want enemies in my enemy based game"
Tbf some people would go start to finish without killing anything if they could
silent delta
but if you can kill the tank quickly the closer zone spawn is a lot quicker and easier
silent delta
"i don't want enemies in my enemy based game"
i want 3 little biters and then i win >:(
ocean spindle
no :3
i think luck only rlly comes across in one objective, the warden timed sequence
if that objective couldn't have terminals on the same room it wouldn't be that bad
but being capable of getting 3 codes on the hub room is stupid in my opinion
silent delta
what level is that?
ocean spindle
apart from that is super minor stuff like a giant that sometimes spawns or doesn't
ocean spindle
what level is that?
uh r7d1 and r8c1 overload
ocean spindle
those are the only levels with it
silent delta
ive had runs where ive had to go into all 3 side zones in r8c1 overload and ive had runs where we had to open none of them
the difficulty of those two runs were very different
ocean spindle
if it was like a code that forced u into the directions maybe it would've been better
instead of just picking of a pool of 20 terminals including ones that are super close
maybe if it was just all three zones with no rng even
it would've been better
silent delta
one code in each zone
nice and easy
roll randomly which terminal in each zone, srue, and the order of zones
ocean spindle
forces spawns forces unlocking doors maybe even stops players from going in and just cleansing the zone
silent delta
but being able to just have two people chill in the room and have two people defend one direction is kind of easy to deal with\
frail heart
Fun fact the terminals in each zone are set so you get the same terminal in each zone for your run
ocean spindle
yeah but they vary between which one u get so u can just get the same 3 all codes
and just get lucky
which isn't even that hard to get tbh
i seen it happen moderately a lot
frail heart
It is hard
frail heart
We spent around 6 hours yesterday SPEEDRUNNING it for triple middle term
Itβs a 1/64
silent delta
i remember there was one zone where we had a terminal that was literally like 5 feet from the security door
and there was another terminal that was like 5 rooms deep
frail heart
If you are going for any of the same for the zones itβs a 1/16
ocean spindle
i mean maybe not the same middle hub terminal but even just getting any terminal a couple times or three times in a row it's still very granted
like getting east terminal 3 times it's just free
silent delta
If you are going for any of the same for the zones itβs a 1/16
i mean for speedruns i get wanting the triple hub term, but for casual running even if you only have to open one zone its super manageable
and i got that in like
four different runs
frail heart
Itβs a 1/16 if you donβt care about the zone
But for triple middle itβs a 1/64
silent delta
1/16 that each term is one in hub zone?
civic wave
(1/4)^3
frail heart
1/16 that each term is one in hub zone?
No 1/16 that you get the same terminal 3 times in a row
ocean spindle
i liked r8c1 main better i just don't like the spawns get over each other and they late spawn so much
but well at least ov has funny giant wave
and also funnier enemy
silent delta
it has just a touch too much rng for my taste
if you get doshit rng and have to open every side zone its SO much harder
we love doggo back spawns
ocean spindle
usually the plays just opening every door after the first one but that doesn't mean u can't still get terrible and good rng regardless
also cause a lot of players don't do that
cause stupid secondary shadows kdmskd
frail heart
Yeah you do first one, then open and clear all zones
ocean spindle
but well i guess those were loredo intended to be an error but they just couldn't or something
ocean spindle
they just take like 3 4 mins
silent delta
huh
ocean spindle
same for the uplinks for main on that level
silent delta
well, maybe, i guess
but it sure felt like they were still coming
i heard spawn screams
ocean spindle
yes they keep spawning but it ends eventually
again it goes out for like 3 4 mins
of just shadows
tardy ingot
And it still 3 shots giants if you play well, right?
5
tardy ingot
Yes
foggy belfry
you guys got any tips on beating R2C1?? me and my friends are stuck rn bruh
grizzled patrol
you guys got any tips on beating R2C1?? me and my friends are stuck rn bruh
Precision rifle. Pbly one of the few Missions where you can solo hold with it
But pen is also great since they really Like to Line up
foggy belfry
yeah we had trouble waking up scoutsπ
silent delta
r2c1 kinda sucks, its a pain dealing with scouts and zits and cramped rooms
PR is good, and dont be afraid to shoot scouts if you aren't confident in meleeing them
silent delta
also, if you arent already, save the terminal closest to extract for last
silent delta
we had trouble w our health too
you can shoot a scout, then shut and mine a door
ez clear
just make sure you dont blow any doors you need for holding the uplinks
civic wave
is there a conensus on the easiest a level to get trigger discipline
R8A1 is pretty easy
civic wave
But hybrids in blood doors, giants in first zone, awful extract
silent delta
extract would be a bit of a pain
sturdy glen
It's done before you see enemies
civic wave
ya
civic wave
At the end of the day it's still only an a tier
silent delta
im used to playing r1a1 with noobs who don't know what they're doing so i get to extract way quicker and actually have to fight things
tardy ingot
just make sure you dont blow any doors you need for holding the uplinks
Tbf the uplinks spawn shadows super slowly
civic furnace
you guys got any tips on beating R2C1?? me and my friends are stuck rn bruh
knife
silent delta
ideal scout killer
livid stone
sawed off and scattergun
ocean spindle
rlly almost all guns have good ammo counts, it's just they are mostly used different for smalls or bigs
but well bad ammo weapons are easier to mention so like, sniper in mag, short rifle... uhhh heavy assault rifle i guess but it's still fine if u use it like a semi
mighty bison
then which gun is the best for holding down a choke
ocean spindle
well a lot but hel weaponry excels at holding down enemies that line up
mighty bison
Im using a techman veruta XII
ocean spindle
hel rifle hel gun hel shotgun and hel revo all do an amazing job at that
the veruta is also ok in my opinion, as long as u control the recoil well
mighty bison
Im playing a reactor restart one and im just trying to find the best gun to hold down the waves
mighty bison
the veruta is also ok in my opinion, as long as u control the recoil well
alright
ocean spindle
there's a lot of answers for holding down enemies, for a reactor usually medium longer range works well, so yeah i would probably go a hel rifle of hel gun
ocean spindle
u can just call it smg is ok
but well it's decent, it just lacks range for a reactor in my opinion
although i guess that depends on the holding position
soft crater
Side note. Everyone typically refers to the weapon name such SMG / HSMG / AR / HAR
Chokemod/veruta/Arbalist etc
ocean spindle
veruta and arbalist are exceptions cause they are both named machineguns but
the rest just use the name they got
mighty bison
although i guess that depends on the holding position
just holding bit behind the of the door
mighty bison
the rest just use the name they got
alright
ocean spindle
just holding bit behind the of the door
uh which door- i see ur playing r2d2 so i imagine the bridge u mean
which yes u need a bit of range for that
ocean spindle
for reactor holding generally, mains like hel revo, dmr, carbine do well- the classics generally
u know- the ones always named
ocean spindle
good luck, and remember to have someone in ur team with good dmg cause level has lot of hybrids mid wave and they are a danger
ocean spindle
is the bullpup one good?
no not rlly
civic furnace
is the bullpup one good?
no
ocean spindle
it has the range but that's it, it lacks damage and reload speed specially
the reload is abysmal
soft crater
Bullpup lost its one redeeming factor unfortunately. Dmg range.
mighty bison
O ic
soft crater
(It basically got nerfed to be about the same as AR)
civic furnace
For R2D2 Dmr or double tap are really nice
Special, there is a lot of stuff you can take
ocean spindle
that sounds like a very good combo
soft crater
Special, there is a lot of stuff you can take
I'm lowkey upset R053 and p3tal aren't Main/special so I can take both in a loadout
mighty bison
that sounds like a very good combo
ok thank you
silent delta
Im using hell gun for special and carbine for main
yeah those shred
if you're concerned about waveclear, carbine is good, you should also try hel revo or hel shotty
mighty bison
Which one is the hel revo
mighty bison
Which hel is the best at like clear waves
silent delta
uhh
depends, i guess
hel shotty shreds waves, but u gotta be close to the enemies cuz of the short range
hel revo has good damage especially for a main slot, but you have to be precise, and each of its 8 shots can only pierce two enemies
hel gun can pierce up to 4 enemies, but you have to generally aim for headshots on smalls to be the most effective
hel rifle can pierce 6 and can one shot enemies on bodyshot, but has lower ammo and is slower
ocean spindle
u don't generally need to headshot smalls, a bodyshot works fine
it has enough ammo to back those numbers up
as long as u pen
mighty bison
Ive been liking hell gun
but im looking for a gun that could deal with bigs or hybrids easily
Hel gun is like 5 shot body or smthing
silent delta
but im looking for a gun that could deal with bigs or hybrids easily
scatter, hel rifle, burst cannon
choke mod and high cal to a lesser degree
mighty bison
Ill try hel rifle next
silent delta
hel rifle is kinda busted honestly
ocean spindle
all 30 dmg weapons are good enough to deal with giants in general
well not "good enough", just good
mighty bison
What are the hel guns
silent delta
the s870 requires you to be pretty close to the giants but if you get close they can't really do anything
ocean spindle
hel weaponry penetrates
silent delta
hel means the gun has pierce
ocean spindle
no other weapon does
silent delta
hel gun pierces 4, hel rifle pierces 6, everything else pierces 2
mighty bison
Oh
finite oracle
what happens in ||R8E1|| if the kds timer runs out
past mesa
what happens in ||R8E1|| if the kds timer runs out
you need it to run out
to complete the level
finite oracle
so what would happen if the timer runs out and you are like at the start room
literally nothing?
past mesa
ye
halcyon current
Is it just me or are the bots particularly bad at dealing with chargers?
keen path
Correct me if i'm wrong but the AI usually shoots head so that would make sense for them to have trouble with anything Charger related
halcyon current
I'm not sure, I just know I was doing R4C3 with bots earlier just to try to get main done and any wave with Chargers in it feels like I might as well be solo holding
Which like, is fine. Hel Rifle go brrrrt.
ocean spindle
damn
the incentive to run is just ur gonna die if u keep ur ground pretty much
that's about it
ocean spindle
Is it just me or are the bots particularly bad at dealing with chargers?
yeah as they faster they go into melee range faster, the added hp makes them so they cannot melee them efficiently and most guns that are good for bots are weak against chargers
even burst cannon- it needs to bleed quite the damage to kill one charger
halcyon current
And giving them BC makes them liable to kill you lmao
ocean spindle
two bullets so about 44 dmg for a 30 hp enemy, not counting the long reload
yeah
specially on duos
halcyon current
Doing R4C3 with bots might be a bit beyond my capabilities rn
Queues take forever if I'm waiting for people for non PE tho, and PE has not gone well
fallen kite
Doing R4C3 with bots might be a bit beyond my capabilities rn
Shits rough yeah
ocean spindle
r4c3 is pretty much on par with the D tiers of the rundown, about on par with D2
if not even a little harder
halcyon current
Main isn't that bad
Getting through fog room is fine
It's just effectively having to solo hold every wave ig
ocean spindle
i mean main isn't bad on any R4 level tbh, only on E1 and maybe D1
they just went all on for the sectors
halcyon current
Tbh
I didn't find PE that bad
What sucked while doing it is communication breakdown
Everyone stopped effectively communicating ideas cause ooo scary charger waves
Tank went down pretty easy but we had guns for it
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
Back to the drawing board
keen path
If you have an idea of how the PE is, rather just keep doing PE than just doing main tbh
esp if you need a full lobby
keen path
True
But i wouldnt waste my time doing only main if im aware how a PE run of an expedition works
Better to one and done it than having to rerun it later again
halcyon current
I will anyway
I have a bunch of new friends who got into GTFO
I'm just getting mind numbed going through R1 and R2 again and still want to play the game
harsh flower
uh quick question , can the hel gun 1 shot a scout?
halcyon current
So when they aren't on I pub queue for stuff I personally gotta do
keen path
Ah
I have the same
I just carried them
they learnt much quicker being carried than letting them carry their own pace and get eventually frustrated with the game
We're on R4 now
halcyon current
they learnt much quicker being carried than letting them carry their own pace an...
It's more so scheduling conflicts
They're on R2D1 rn iirc
And we got there in maybe 4 days, 2 or 3 missions a day
But if they don't get on for a night and I want to play GTFO still, yk
keen path
I understand
Good luck on getting them thru D1-2 and E1 on R2
that was like a semester one exam for my group
ocean spindle
uh quick question , can the hel gun 1 shot a scout?
in the back of the head
halcyon current
that was like a semester one exam for my group
Appreciate you homie, I honestly expect one of em to quit by then
Not for anything they've done just
harsh flower
in the back of the head
ok ty ty
halcyon current
Personal experience with groups tells me they quit around R2D1-E1
That's the shit that makes or breaks GTFO players in the making
ocean spindle
that seems really weird considering how r3 A tier is literally just those three levels but
easier
digital mural
that seems really weird considering how r3 A tier is literally just those three ...
wait
holy shit its true
i never noticed
π
ocean spindle
newies playing gtfo sometimes forget really badly how every rundown is available
halcyon current
that seems really weird considering how r3 A tier is literally just those three ...
They just
Want to go in order
I get it, it's why I did
But I also make it to R4B3 before taking a long break
ocean spindle
i think that anyone that completes R4E1 when going in order is just being massively carried
and no matter how many stories i hear about it it never leaves my head
and tbh kinda same thing for r2e1
digital mural
i think that anyone that completes R4E1 when going in order is just being massiv...
you are about to make people really upset with that statement
ocean spindle
cause i seen players who play moderately ok- leave r2e1 for like, when they finished R3 R6 and a chunk of R7
doing R2E1 as a newie surely is new but with how LFG works
i just have doubts
oh hey my internet died
minor fractal
Queues take forever if I'm waiting for people for non PE tho, and PE has not gon...
Secondary is probably easier than Main only, btw.
ocean spindle
oh it's back
halcyon current
Secondary is probably easier than Main only, btw.
Yeah I was thinking about that tbh
Cause no infect fog is nice
halcyon current
doing R2E1 as a newie surely is new but with how LFG works
I'm not sure I got carried or I didn't. I don't think I did cause I ended up there for 4 days getting grossly acclimated to the level
ocean spindle
i mean i- it's a very illogical thought cause if u think about it, OG R4 players already did beat this E1 going in order
but it is also true they had better weapons
and maybe tiles idk i seen a lot of ladders that aren't there in alt r4e1
but that could depend
hardy grotto
They had 2 really strong weapons
Everything else is a downgrade
Oh and sniper sentry
ocean spindle
but even so grinding like crazy i think you could only get so far with the knowledge you could acquire
i did my research before going into gtfo, and that didn't prevented me from getting massively stuck at r1c2, r7c1, even r7b3 until i got carried through it
ocean spindle
They had 2 really strong weapons
yeah but from all the videos i see everyone just use them cause there was no reason not to
halcyon current
I will say I think i do think it's possible
ocean spindle
it's like when u see a full team of hel revos
halcyon current
Idk man
hardy grotto
yes you can
ocean spindle
but not so flexible as bc was
halcyon current
Nothing is stopping you lmao
digital mural
LMAO
ocean spindle
you can take 4 scatterguns but 4 old bcs would just be massively better at range cancel and flexibility
so range wouldn't stop u or whatever else that hold people from going 4 scatterguns
hardy grotto
either way you have way more options now so you donβt need to take 4 burst cannons
ocean spindle
or at least that's how i perceive it
hardy grotto
we have hel weapons that clear waves insanely fast
You have a weapon that trivialises all boss enemies
silent delta
Doing R4C3 with bots might be a bit beyond my capabilities rn
bruh you're doing it with bots?
unhinged
ocean spindle
You have a weapon that trivialises all boss enemies
maybe it's a thing of options but just from what i've heard, old bc was just so dumb along with the- i think it was hel revo- that u could just rock it every level and it would just overperfom
maybe now it's better cause u got both the boss clear and the wave but also it's cause bc could just do both
idk it's really a matter of perspective i guess
halcyon current
bruh you're doing it with bots?
I'm gonna be real blunt, there's some guy who keeps joining my lobbies and making them take a very long time cause they wanna slow stealth and set up totally optimal scenarios and I'd flat out rather attempt it with bots
silent delta
I'm gonna be real blunt, there's some guy who keeps joining my lobbies and makin...
i mean that is totally fair to be pissed about that
(i would be too)
but you will want to attempt it with bots until you fight teh tank
halcyon current
Dude also started complaining over how I place mines down
hardy grotto
bc was strong but how many people were actually good at using it back then
ocean spindle
I'm gonna be real blunt, there's some guy who keeps joining my lobbies and makin...
and why u don't tell em to get out
hardy grotto
Probably less than youβd think
halcyon current
and why u don't tell em to get out
I tried, they didn't respond to it
They just said "well I have 1900 hours so I'm right"
ocean spindle
Probably less than youβd think
well that's kinda another thing as in newer players also have option of choice and unless they research well they aren't gonna go with the best loadout or using it correctly
i think that's another theme
hardy grotto
new players have more to worry about than their loadout anyway ngl
halcyon current
Also kick plug.
I've been staunchly against mods but I'm about to make an exception for this one
minor fractal
i tried using the kick plug and it didnt work
Player slots are 0-3.
hardy grotto
some mods are 100% worth taking
silent delta
Player slots are 0-3.
what
hardy grotto
canβt live without modlist
silent delta
oh do you have to use the console
halcyon current
Why not just number them 1-4
minor fractal
/kick 2
halcyon current
GTFO easy to install mods on?
silent delta
^^
silent delta
also if ur gonna go for mods theres also several nice bugfix mods
if you're into that
halcyon current
I tbh rarely install mods on anything
If they're like required sure
But at this point I'm only willing to install the kick mod cause I've had a couple people I simply wish I could've
halcyon current
gotcha, said a dude named Jishwasha published it
native sun
Mushroom publishes things under Jish's name on thunderstore because Reasons
minor fractal
W8, is that Time's account?
halcyon current
They can split their congressional medal of honor they'll be receiving after I write a letter to the sitting president for this wonderful mod
native sun
I think they made it together when they were working on GTFR but it got named after Jish and then mushroom never logged out
@sacred dew What's the story behind being JishWasha on thunderstore?
halcyon current
Both of you deserve Medals for this
past mesa
Both of you deserve Medals for this
time did most of the work I was a lab rat at best
halcyon current
Then he gets a larger one and you get a smaller one idk man
But this? I need this lmao
past mesa
<@155683079485259776> What's the story behind being JishWasha on thunderstore?
It is my team on R2mod man
He joined my account
past mesa
But this? I need this lmao
Kick plug is useful
we werenβt the first archive has it
I think there was other ones just buried
halcyon current
I just happened to see the word Jish after and went "wait I know that dude"
GTFO community is small, huh?
Like
Real small lmao
fallen kite
Real small lmao
it's a great community tho
sacred dew
<@155683079485259776> What's the story behind being JishWasha on thunderstore?
Jishwasha is the name of the TEAM, you should know this
halcyon current
it's a great community tho
Yeah, most of the time
fallen kite
Yeah, most of the time
ikwym
halcyon current
Launching from R2 changed the boot screen where you hold to insert and reset my cosmetics, this is normal, yes?
minor fractal
Oh, that's what you mean.
fallen kite
yeah I was confused
halcyon current
I assume since I launched through R2 it didn't pull my steam info for the loading bit
minor fractal
It gets its own memory of equipment, yeah.
halcyon current
But it's all still shared
minor fractal
Mhm
past mesa
As long as you donβt have mtfo your clears will still count
minor fractal
My QoL profile rn remembers Slug + SR, while my vanilla launch remembers HEL Revo + BC.
fallen kite
As long as you donβt have mtfo your clears will still count
I made the mistake of doing R8D1 achievement with MTFO installed
halcyon current
As long as you donβt have mtfo your clears will still count
That's the inventory unlocker, right
fallen kite
( I did not get the achievement, i'm still tilted )
minor fractal
As long as you donβt have mtfo your clears will still count
Thought it was GTFO-API
jagged shore
mtfo is for custom guns and levels
minor fractal
MTFO doesn't defacto disable progression.
past mesa
MTFO doesn't defacto disable progression.
It was part of the deal modders made with devs
halcyon current
Na it is a modded api
Nah, just this for now. Kick+BepInExPack which I assume makes it so kick works
past mesa
That it needed to have that
minor fractal
It was part of the deal modders made with devs
VR doesn't disable progression.
halcyon current
Hey, I appreciate all of you rn
jagged shore
having mtfo still lets you get vanilla progress
halcyon current
This is gonna save me some mental wear doing Pubs
past mesa
having mtfo still lets you get vanilla progress
Wait it does?
this is news to me but very welcome
jagged shore
yeah
the gtfo api progression disabling has been gone for a while i think
since like r7 or something i think?
or at least since alts
minor fractal
I'm like 90% it's the API, though.
past mesa
It is
jagged shore
yeah the modding docs made a lot of mention of it being "taken care of" by api
minor fractal
Because original sniper melee fix didn't have MTFO, and had this issue.
past mesa
yeah the modding docs made a lot of mention of it being "taken care of" by api
Yup
Suddenly I want to get rid of it by chance
fallen kite
This is gonna save me some mental wear doing Pubs
Don't abuse it though
halcyon current
I won't
It's literally for people actually cheating with modded guns
Or for people ruining the groups mentals
That's it
upper ginkgo
the bee eye
past mesa
3 players watching a choke mod player solo hold wave without losing ammo
While laughing
sacred dew
It was part of the deal modders made with devs
We didnβt do that with GTFR, weβre outlaws
past mesa
We are
sacred dew
We can make a mod that changes the datablock but doesnβt use MTFO and has GUI to edit the blocks and compile the blocks within the DLL so nobody can edit it
autumn imp
Question 1: Best Secondary shotgun?
Question 2: Best strat for R1C1
autumn imp
Q1 shotgun
which shotgun? i saw that the buckland S870 and the combat shotgun were top 2
jagged shore
if someone just says shotgun when referring to a specific gun
it's the one that just says "shotgun"
i.e s870
jagged shore
alternate name is pump
but just something to be aware of
autumn imp
a ranking list i saw put the automatic in front of the shotgun by 1 spot
sacred dew
which shotgun? i saw that the buckland S870 and the combat shotgun were top 2
Buckland, or simply called shotgun in-game
jagged shore
you did NOT just call it buckland
sacred dew
Buckleuplad S870 GunthatShot
civic wave
the buckland or the buckland or the other buckland
digital mural
Question 1: Best Secondary shotgun?
Question 2: Best strat for R1C1
Captain America: puts foot on chair "So you are having trouble with R1C1"
a reactor is ultimately 3 parts,
1 Wave Defense
2 gathering resources in between
3 getting the code into the terminal in time
If you already know how R1C1's reactor works, then its just the first two things you need, and they can go hand in hand
the most popular place to defend for many reasons is the bridge tile. the hole in the wall at the south end is a great choke point where you can get angles and focus your sentries, the bridge itself is a perfect funnel if/as you fall back, and its only about a 30 second run to the reactor terminal.
when you start looting after the shooting, you have quite a lot of resources around you to spend as the code person runs out and runs back. and on longer warm up times for the later codes, you have enough time to run forward and loot in previous areas.
when giants spawn having someone with a good weapon for bigs like hel rifle is useful (especially for hybrids) as well as saving tool by only having 2 sentries down for most waves, saving it for later waves or the waves with Hybrids (4, 6, 8).
this is definitely a 3 sentry + 1 bio tracker level, and when you learn all sentries are not created equal.
Burst is the best all-arounder.
Sniper sentry thrives with bio tracking and the long sight lines on this level.
shot gun sentry is in the game
Autosentry is in the game.
if you have a bot, they are a boss with the biotracker so give them that, and if you have three bots god go with you.
soft crater
past mesa
Question 1: Best Secondary shotgun?
Question 2: Best strat for R1C1
q1 scatter
native sun
Scatter > HEL Rifle > HEL Gun = BC