gtfo-related-questions

[tardy ingot]

will have to check

[silent delta]

funny door ‼️

do the whole game blindfolded

if people can so sm64 blindfold you can do gtfo

[tardy ingot]

@civic wave do you think its possible to blind aim off of enemy tounge start ups?

[civic wave]

I think it's theoretically possible but not all that viable

[tardy ingot]

the character just doesnt easily line up and you need lots of mouse movement to do stuff

[digital mural]

E2 blind when

[silent delta]

well, yeah

[tardy ingot]

if there was a button to reset your camera orientation it would be doable

[silent delta]

blindfold is incredible hard with mouse and keyboard, hoenstly im shocked you even did the tutorial with it lmao

just about every blindfold run, afaik, is done on controller

[civic wave]

it took a lot of guiding from chat

[tardy ingot]

i got some help from chat

[civic wave]

i am ze taxi driver

[silent delta]

much easier to normalize

[hazy veldt]

dose anyone know how to create a team for people to join in discord and the game?

[tardy ingot]

tho ive found a way to set up my orientation (side ways) somewhat well

[digital mural]

#how-to-matchmake

[silent delta]

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[digital mural]

Everything You need to know is in #how-to-matchmake

[narrow niche]

Door bugging blind...

[digital mural]

Hello IFO

[tardy ingot]

yea someone gotta learn how to

[narrow niche]

Hi

[narrow niche]

Misses the door 20 times...

[tardy ingot]

you know

[civic wave]

to host a lobby in game
title screen -> click the rundown you want to play -> click the level you want to play -> use the host lobby button

and from there you can copy the code and send it to others, or invite through steam

[tardy ingot]

theres a chance we gotta do a duo door bug

[narrow niche]

where are the door controls...

[hazy veldt]

when i did that a bunch of random people joined did i do somethi9ng wrong

[civic wave]

you clicked matchmake

click host lobby instead

[digital mural]

Click host lobby

[narrow niche]

Matchmake is different

[digital mural]

Im having deja-vu

[narrow niche]

How ui...

[hazy veldt]

someone still joined

[digital mural]

Yes

Bots

[tardy ingot]

[narrow niche]

LMAO

[digital mural]

Hackett, dauda and Bishop are bots

[hazy veldt]

oh i see can i remove them?

[digital mural]

When someone joins they Will be removed

[tardy ingot]

you can
but players can also just join in over them

[narrow niche]

Set the slot to players only

[civic wave]

yeah, where it says Players & Bots you can click and set it to Players Only or Bots Only or Locked instead

[hazy veldt]

oh so its imposible to do a 2 player run

[digital mural]

No

[narrow niche]

No you can

[digital mural]

Just very very hard

You can but it's really hard

[civic wave]

it's easy to set up a duo run

the gameplay can be quite challenging though

[narrow niche]

^

[hazy veldt]

thank you

[digital mural]

Copy the code using the red button on the right side of the screen
Send the code to someone
Copy the code and go ingame
The game Will detect the code in the clipboard and click join lobby

[narrow niche]

We are so not toxic today... Can we fix this...

[tardy ingot]

this community isnt toxic (aside from a few individuals) to people who actually want help

[halcyon current]

Clown ass bastard

[digital mural]

I can't be toxic to you

Sorry

[narrow niche]

Aw

[tardy ingot]

this community slaps the fuck back when people shittalk the game

(for no good reason)

or rather

for bad reasons

[digital mural]

I saw the steam discussion

LOL

[narrow niche]

The game might be shit but the reasons provided there... are also shit

[tardy ingot]

game isnt shit

[narrow niche]

Hmmmm

[tardy ingot]

its just not what it couldve been

[narrow niche]

What's the difference

:3

[digital mural]

Uuuuuuh
It's shit

[tardy ingot]

something can be good even if it isnt close to its potential lol

[civic wave]

bro what someone in steam discussions is malding about people with mods joining their lobby

[tardy ingot]

and something can be shit while it reached its full potential

[narrow niche]

Fair

[civic wave]

the worst part is i recognise the name and they lfg'd recently

and I almost joined with my coloured name LMAO

[tardy ingot]

huh

where

[civic wave]

on steam forums

[digital mural]

Not where

Who

[narrow niche]

LMAO

[tardy ingot]

i do not see

[narrow niche]

Colored name... Ban...

[civic wave]

"how do you kick or block players in gtfo?"

[narrow niche]

Mods can we nuke goat...

[digital mural]

Oh yeah Eva is blind now

He cant see

Thats why he is learning to do GTFO blind

😔

[tardy ingot]

man bruh

like who did they encounter

[narrow niche]

Kaiser...

Sorry what

[digital mural]

I was just going to Say Kaiser too

Lol

[narrow niche]

Kaiser modding arc

[digital mural]

(it's a joke)

(we don't know who)

[civic wave]

was the funny thing on steam forums some guy with only r1 completed shit talking the game for looking the same in every level

then crying out when people called out he'd barely dug his teeth into the game

[narrow niche]

Tbf r1...

[digital mural]

He changed his profile to private because of it

[narrow niche]

DAMN

[civic wave]

yea i read the comments

[narrow niche]

Link pwes

I want to see the murder

[civic wave]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/493520/discussions/0/6874265117957347560/?ctp=2

"Stop nosing around people's profiles in order to justify your own viewpoint. The game is long, boring and repetitive. Deal with it and stop being so autistic."

[digital mural]

Also i want to apologize
I got a bit toxic

[silent delta]

bro what

why'd he get so heated 💀

[narrow niche]

Lmaoooo

Pable that was crazyyyy

"Deal with it and stop being so autistic."

Hm

[silent delta]

is pable pronounced like table

[narrow niche]

Pablo but with an e...

[upper ginkgo]

pah-bley

[silent delta]

i like pay-bel more

[digital mural]

"pay-bel"

[whole summit]

Whats the difference between tiny red dots and normal white dots the biotracker?

[digital mural]

Red dots = awake/moving

[hardy grotto]

no

[digital mural]

White dots = sleeping

[hardy grotto]

The tiny red dots is a bug

[grizzled patrol]

spaghetti code

[whole summit]

Ah ok

[silent delta]

big, mobile red dots means moving enemy, either alerted enemy or scout

tiny immobile red dots are a bug, just pretend they're white dots

[hardy grotto]

Been around since the beginning of the game basically

[digital mural]

GTFO has a lot of bugs

:)

[hazy veldt]

how do i make a voice call for people to join? i made a server invite instead

[digital mural]

Join one of the VCs that are named create team of

[silent delta]

click make team of 4, wait for it to make one, and then click on create invite

u have to wait on the create invite screen for a second for it to think

otherwise you'll just get a server link

[digital mural]

The create invite for the VC is in the VC name

[hazy veldt]

oh i see thank you

[round hornet]

Question! If one of my teamates reads a log does that give me credit towards the log achievement

Or do I need to open them all as well

[civic wave]

As long as someone in the lobby reads it, everyone gets credit

[round hornet]

Good to know

I've been reopening every log even after others do to make sure I gain progress on it haha

[whole summit]

Thanks for yalls help, finally beat B1. Just one last question, how much should I try to progress solo before joining lobbies?

[civic wave]

That is entirely up to you

[whole summit]

There isn't any common etiquette to not join lobbies until after some certain point?

[upper ginkgo]

the only "etiquette" is to be honest about your inexperience

most people won't care but they'll give you some slack

[whole summit]

Ok cool, just wanted to be sure

[past mesa]

Also make sure

They actually have a lobby open

and are looking for players

[whole summit]

Yeah of course. Are all the A-B missions roughly equal in difficulty?

[past mesa]

ehhhhh

not really but for now treat it as the same

[upper ginkgo]

uh not really, but generally the a/b tiers with optional objectives are harder

r2 b-tiers are probably the best "tutorial" for the game

[whole summit]

Ok will do. I just don't want to join a party who is trying something way out of my league

[past mesa]

I think all a tiers are fair game minus maybe two and most b tiers minus maybe 3

[upper ginkgo]

if you stick around lfg-beginners, you should be fine

[past mesa]

Your also definitely not out of your league

[upper ginkgo]

the people who get pissy after a wipe are people you should avoid anyway

[past mesa]

If you dont wanna i join in your game, block me please. the best way to me not see your invite! thanks!🤓 ❤️

[hardy grotto]

If you dont wanna i join in your game, block me please. the best way to me not see your invite! thanks!🤓 ❤️

[upper ginkgo]

kit ❤️

[whole summit]

Will do.

[hardy grotto]

bass my goat

[whole summit]

Thanks for the belief however I am actively bad at FPS games, I just thought the atmosphere of this looked great

[upper ginkgo]

nah don't worry, everyone else's aim is ass too

[halcyon current]

There are weapons you can use that you don't have to be some HS God to do well with

Hel Shotgun comes to mind

[civic wave]

Yeah the fps part is where most other players struggle too

[sturdy glen]

ngl hel shotgun headshots matter more than I thought

it is noticeably harder to kill strikers as host cuz head breaks early

[halcyon current]

Yeah, but Hel Shotgun is marginally less HS reliant then DMR, DTR, or Hel Revo

It's better to hit em, but it's not as detrimental if you don't

[whole summit]

That is good to know

[past mesa]

It depends how efferent you want to be if you don’t get an ammo pack for the next 100 sleepers hs one shot matters a lot

[hardy grotto]

thats why i prefer it on client

[sturdy glen]

hel revo feels much better on host as well

[hardy grotto]

i think im a hel shotty enjoyer on client and a hel revo enjoyer on host

it just works

[sturdy glen]

I understand a lot better now

[halcyon current]

I kinda hate how different this game feels on client vs host

[past mesa]

Is the tier list

Host dependent

[sturdy glen]

nah

[halcyon current]

And by that I mean I hate playing on Client

[sturdy glen]

tier list is client dependent

[sturdy glen]

host is actually so fucking op

its ridiculous

[past mesa]

I really enjoy cilent

You can get away with some shit

[sturdy glen]

jish I shove through giants

very regularly now

[past mesa]

I silent shoot

and b hop

[halcyon current]

Host feels like it's host every single time

Idk if it's netcode or people but client side literally always feels a bit laggy

[sturdy glen]

also I thought host hel shotty baby clear was worse but its not

cuz the babies dont TP on host

or clip into walls

during birth

so you lose the big head but you can hit them the whole time

[hardy grotto]

i just hate holding as client vs host

[past mesa]

Beth

You should have seen the r8e2 we lost last night

[hardy grotto]

playing on the west coast host and trying to shoot the enemies all lagging around the screen

what happened jish

[past mesa]

We were like 6 mins ahead

going into kracken

[hardy grotto]

how'd you wipe

[past mesa]

But we had 3 tanks in the stack

[hardy grotto]

oh

[sturdy glen]

6 tanks up

[past mesa]

and 3 tanks in back room

[hardy grotto]

surely you killed them all right

[sturdy glen]

we almost clutched it

we killed 4 of them I think?

[past mesa]

I think it was 3 because one tank was still mia

[sturdy glen]

isnt that the one that showed up and killed me

[past mesa]

We also had a forward p mon spawn

Once again

[hardy grotto]

sick

LOL

[past mesa]

That was 5

[sturdy glen]

damn

[past mesa]

we were missing 6 still

[past mesa]

Shadow giant p mom fight

Goes hard

When she gets an early birth ngl

[sturdy glen]

I think I Full killed what

3 waves?

[past mesa]

Yeah

One during a three down

One during a two down and one at start

Tank mine on code one works really well to

[hardy grotto]

it’s cause you’re far away enough that he will always sprint through

Guaranteeing the kill

[past mesa]

Well

sometimes

It doesn’t work out that well

Ngl having 3 tanks in the stack and no idea when they are gonna show up

Is fucked

[hardy grotto]

yeah

it’s not great

[past mesa]

You can’t wait for them because it just won’t do anything for you

You will wait for an infinite amount of time

[sturdy glen]

I tested the mines on close tank

[hardy grotto]

how consistent was it?

when we were testing it on r4e1 it was rough

[sturdy glen]

I was working on angled mines

because they work a lot more often

[hardy grotto]

Ah makes sense

[sturdy glen]

the original stack I had worked a lot in testing but it was hard to make it work in a run

this one hasnt failed yet

not in testing or in runs

[hardy grotto]

angled mines go hard I guess

[arctic marten]

beth can you come back we have more questions

[hardy grotto]

Im not answering any of your questions

freak

chances are beep has forgotten them anyway

[arctic marten]

i remember all of them

[hardy grotto]

of course you do

[arctic marten]

im kind of a rememberer

[prime musk]

as i understand it, in reactor missions, each wave has a set number of spawns rather than spawning during the wave. this being the reason extreme latecomers happen. (by several minutes even)
is there somewhere i can read the exact composition of each wave for r2d2 and r3a3? those are the two im most interested in, but really a comprehensive list of all reactor waves would be nice.

[minor fractal]

The datablocks, but they're not really translated anywhere.

Do you have particular issues w/ late spawns, btw?

[prime musk]

we have had hybrids come in more than 5 minutes late in r2d2

specifically before wave 6

[minor fractal]

Where are you defending?

[prime musk]

(so latecomers from wave 5)

[minor fractal]

The best way to minimize late spawns is to defend in reactor.

[prime musk]

yes, but we have found it infeasible as we're duoing

[minor fractal]

It is very hard

But my partner and I had enough issues w/ late spawns on bridge defense that we went for reactor hold in the end.

Basically held the front door, and had a burst sentry looking at a staircase.

[prime musk]

we typically hold in one of these 3 spots (why can i not send images)

[ocean spindle]

no perms

[minor fractal]

Post in #gtfo-media

[ocean spindle]

all chats except media and spoiler chat have no perms

and the lore one

[minor fractal]

The top X will give you the least bad late spawns.

Because you're 1 away

vs. 2 away or 3 away, where it will be extremely bad

[prime musk]

does a single room really make so much difference? the actual difference in distance for enemies is small

[minor fractal]

The way that backwaves work...

[prime musk]

the first room is more difficult to hold than the other two markings which is why we sometimes elect to use them

[native sun]

@prime musk If you don't to hold in reactor I recommend the upstairs section in the room one to the north of reactor.

Forces all enemies to come from a single direction.

[ocean spindle]

every time i defend on the top X the doors aside of me get broken and i cry

[minor fractal]

is that they spawn based on the furthest player from reactor.

[brave otter]

both are great spots to hold

[minor fractal]

So, if you are 3 rooms away

Enemies that spawn on your side spawn 2 away

[native sun]

Yes. Being a single additional room away means that far spawns on the other side of reactor will be two further rooms away, potentially causing them to path very slowly as their extreme distance can cause them to update very infrequently.

[minor fractal]

Enemies on a different side spawn 8 rooms away.

[prime musk]

so no enemies would choose to go into the mist and come from behind? makes sense but we have had weird pathing stuff that we don't understand before

[minor fractal]

and 5 rooms from reactor

Which is why late waves are so insane

[prime musk]

why? shouldn't it just add the extra room we moved?

why does it push them in the other direction too

[minor fractal]

Because it's stupid.

[prime musk]

this makes sense thankgs

[native sun]

Because that's how the game is set up

[prime musk]

yes that's the answer i was looking for (genuinely)

[prime musk]

so the first room you open from main reactor to be clear

[minor fractal]

I don't think this was even known about until a few months ago, and it's actually insane how big of a difference it makes.

R2D2 reactor hold, every wave hits you instantly and you can finish killing things w/ 20-40 seconds on the clock.

[native sun]

Ye, walk right as you head through the door, stairs go up on your left. They all have to go up those stairs. You can even peek over the railings to get early shots on enemies coming through reactor.

[prime musk]

we've never managed that during the first 4 waves when we're holding main but maybe our shooting is just subpar

[minor fractal]

It might be a skill issue, but first 4 waves I remember holding on bridge for since the backwave issue doesn't start until wave 5.

[prime musk]

nice
where would a sniper sentry be placed when holding there? would a sniper sentry be usable there

[prime musk]

yeah since 1 room from reactor is spawnblocked

[native sun]

The duo Ray is drawing from for reactor hold is him + Chill Dude, which is kinda an unreasonably strong duo.

[prime musk]

i think i watched it

did you run double burst sentry and double hel rifle?

might have been hel rifle and hel gun

[minor fractal]

Burst + Sniper and HEL Rifle + HEL Gun

[native sun]

Could place it with you, or at the base of the stairs facing north or towards reactor.

[prime musk]

most likely towards reactor then since that's where most enemies should come from

[native sun]

Ye, that + keep burst with you is probably ideal

[prime musk]

i suppose but we (me and friend) are aiming to duo whole game so we kinda need to get to that point eventually

[native sun]

Double sniper might be fine too, depends on your weapons

[minor fractal]

Are you u/Arthillidan, btw?

[prime musk]

no

[native sun]

R2D2 and R2E1 are hard duos, don't be afraid to leave them for later.

[prime musk]

during early attempts we ran sniper + hel auto (sentries) and switched to hel auto when we started holding in siderooms since it kinda trivialises strikers and enemies are forced together more. but we are running burst + sniper now

[prime musk]

well you see

we are also play 4p progressing through the game

and the 3 levels left are r2d2, r2e1, and r5b1

all the other levesl we have 4pd we have also duod

[native sun]

Ah, fair enough

[prime musk]

and we don't really want to spoil the 4p experience

[native sun]

Time to level up then, gl for the grind

[prime musk]

we need to get more 4p games going we are going to run out of duos, grinding e1 will be miserable

thanks ill go to bed now

[minor fractal]

gngn

[soft crater]

[brave otter]

any tips for the secondary in r8e2

we got to the second wave and got folded by the tank and fliers

[ocean spindle]

it's pretty difficult to give an advice that isn't obvious ksks
but well of course have a scattergun to deal with tank
send someone back [possibly with a hel like hel rifle or hel gun] to kill the flyers as they spawn in reactor

and it depends where u hold, i used to hold outside the bulkhead door in the hallway near the door, but enemies can spawn a bit late

you can also hold inside the zone for the second code, i've heard it's pretty nice

and u could also hold reactor but u will have two side spawns by the last wave and that's pretty difficult

otherwise it's just using the sniper sentry as generously as possible since it's ur only tool for the reactor really, and try to get the tank as fast as possible

cause lord knows the waves spawn so fast after it arrives

[brave otter]

ok, we held in reactor room and got overwhelmed thaks for the advice we'll give it a try where you said on our next run that gets there

[brave otter]

so your holding right inside secondary zone by the bulkhead door?

[ocean spindle]

not inside, outside
what i did was-- you see how the tile that the secondary door is: a floor below, a hallway in front and a big door to the side
what we did is hold on the big door, with people on each side and some doors close so they wouldn't come from the direction of the class VI alarm, and basically every enemy funnels down from the respawn zone

i've heard it's not the best way to defend ever- and sometimes u can get leaks from behind if u didnt watched the spawns correctly

u also can lose time cause late spawns as with every reactor

but it's what i found worked and what i got my clear with, u could also try with the tiles on the second code zone

[brave otter]

i saw that

and ion like what i saw'

XD

alright thanks for the tips we'll give it a try on our next run that makes it to the secondary, were pretty consistent at getting to the class 6 did about 6 runs tonight and made it through twice died on it twice 2 others that didnt make it there

[ocean spindle]

yeah it's just that reactors pretty testing on just shooting abilities

tbh if u don't have like top tier weaponry i would highly suggest it, either hel rifle hel gun scattergun and all that good stuff cause that's very clearly the hardest part of the level

plus those all help immensely with lineups of giants [cause there's so many] and flyers when they spawn

and scattergun just kills tanks easily on client with a bit of help gettin aggro

[brave otter]

were running hel rifle - scatter - veruta - arbalist

[ocean spindle]

but u probs already know that

two machineguns- i would probably ditch one of them

[brave otter]

for what? burst cannon?

hel gun?

[ocean spindle]

tbh anything other than mg helps kdmsk
i would probs go for something of 30 dmg a la high cal hel rifle shotgun etc for nightmares and giants
but hel gun should also be extremely useful

it's just the veruta already excels at staggering and taking waves as it is

u don't need two of them, with ones ok

even just one mg one autopistol serve incredibly for stagger purposes

[jovial spade]

what about burst cannon would that be good?

[brave otter]

mf loves the burst cannon, would marry it if he could

[jovial spade]

100%

[ocean spindle]

it would be fairly good but tbh u got a scattergun for giants and that's already dealing with giants and tanks
u could still use it for support on nightmares and giants tho

u could try it out see how u feel

it would serve well for when the tanks like dying with scattergun yeah-

i saw a pro gamer writing omg come back

i'm scared i say something stupid kdmskd

[past mesa]

i would treat the burst cannon so well. if the burst cannon was a worm it would get a whole dirt pile in my room just so i could love it

[ocean spindle]

ew

[past mesa]

at least i wouldnt do the cut in half method

[ocean spindle]

true

:3

separate the cannon from the body

[brave otter]

i mean its a great weapon i just dont like using it after using it for r4e1 a ton, go talk to @jovial spade that dude would buy that gun a house

[ocean spindle]

i think when i did my clear of e2 it wassss chokemod [which i could've changed for hel rifle or high cal tbh], hel rifle, scattergun and thennnn

ufhhh maybe high cal too

[past mesa]

well i am not a simp so i wont just buy her a house i will buy myself a house and she can come

[ocean spindle]

i would buy a house not to the burst cannon
but to the lil stick it's got on the side

i LOVE weapons that got that

those lil stick handles that come out the sides

[brave otter]

how long did it take you guys to beat e2?

[ocean spindle]

uh fuck
problem is i didn't do it with a static i did LFGs for it

but it might've took me....

shit, like 20 30 hours?

i also did a fair amount of nothing attempts with bots to remember terminal spots

[brave otter]

god dayum

[ocean spindle]

i don't count those

cause those were just practice runs

they were funny tho

[brave otter]

i think weve run about 9 hours so far, for the past 2 days

[ocean spindle]

i will say tho after u complete reactor, levels basically free
there is still some surprises i won't spoil and u could die on some spots

but it doesn't get harder

once u reach the reactor and beat it that's ur silver lining of "it won't get this bad again"

[brave otter]

i watched astrallspiff vod on it where he had kenny coaching him

and if i remember correctly he says the hardest part is the class 6 and most stuff after is like a knowledge test just trying to remember everything

like knowing that tank and giants are coming and fliers will come after, lets us prepare the next time were there

[ocean spindle]

no-- the class VI is hard but the hardest is the reactor
u haven't seen wave three yet it is fucking brutal

[brave otter]

🥲 oh god

[ocean spindle]

no amount of knowledge- can make it easier

it is just that bad

tbh i think E2 more than knowledge is capacity of adapting

cause i seen first tries by pros that in a single run can get very far

[brave otter]

yea we've def learned a lot in these attempts

like i've been using hel rifle for awhile now and just learned that it can kill charger scouts

or that enemies can only scream 1 room away from you so you can manipulate the ai to not get scout waves triggering more scout waves

[ocean spindle]

yeah i mean it's a test of ur pure raw gtfo knowledge but it also just demands you know how to react to funny situations, cause it's not as 'surprise after surprise' like how D2 can be, but the surprises it has are pretty fucking big and dangerous

like the VI just being nightmares

or throwing the tank in the reactor wave

[past mesa]

??? what do you mean by this

[ocean spindle]

yeah thats true isn't it?

if ur more than two rooms away they don't scream

[brave otter]

enemies can only scream if they're in an attached room to you

[past mesa]

Okay the sentences is werid

[ocean spindle]

i could swear i seen pulling strats involving that

oh

[brave otter]

we've had a couple of runs end because scouts kept waking up other scouts that were in an adjacent room

when we could have just backed up a room and no other scouts would have woken up

[ocean spindle]

yeah i i it hurts so bad KDMSKD

[brave otter]

what does that mean i keep seeing you say it "kdmskd"

[ocean spindle]

oh it's just keysmashing

it's like a lol

[brave otter]

XD

[ocean spindle]

:3

femboy stuff it's ok

[brave otter]

i've seen you type it so much thought it had some meaning that i didnt know, i even looked it up on urban dictionary

[ocean spindle]

teehee :3

[digital mural]

:3

[ocean spindle]

so many people ask me about it i thought it was more common

but i guess not rlly ksks

[digital mural]

it kinda is
i see it a lot in spanish communities

[ocean spindle]

:[ but not english smh

[digital mural]

[narrow niche]

womp womp

[digital mural]

IFOOOOO

[narrow niche]

heyy

:3

[digital mural]

havent see you all day

how u doing

[narrow niche]

tired ig

:3

[digital mural]

[narrow niche]

:3

[digital mural]

sleep soon

[unreal portal]

Does sniper sentry prior high HP targets (like hybrid) than lower HP ones?

[ocean spindle]

uhh no

like other sentries it targets the furthest away enemy i believe, or the one pinged

it's still ok tho for some missions cause giants are slow and hybrids tend to stay in the back

[unreal portal]

Hmm then should i bring 3 sniper sentries or 1 sniper 2 burst sentries to r1c1

With bots

[digital mural]

1 sniper 2 burst

[ocean spindle]

i would recommend two burst

one sniper

and only using the sniper from wave 4 onwards

maybe for the first wave cause it has some giants but ah

i usually only out it down for the 4th and just deal with the giants before hand

[unreal portal]

Hmmm make sense

Got to wave 7 last night

The hybrid shoots so rapidly i cant aim with mah sniper

[digital mural]

you are using sniper? not bad

but tbh

[unreal portal]

And the fact my boi has only 2 bullets

[digital mural]

its bad

[soft crater]

Aim punches are a bitch

[unreal portal]

Ya ik

I’m planning to switch to hel rifle

But not so surreal bout the kill time

[soft crater]

Depends how well the sentry/bots hold waves imo

[unreal portal]

5 full shots for one hybrid

sheesh

[digital mural]

they are bots
you already know how they hold waves

(not good)

[soft crater]

A good sniper taking 2 giants consistently wouldn't be too bad.

I can see them reasonably holding r1c1 waves along with sentries

[ocean spindle]

it has a lot of reload speed tho

pretty good speed

[digital mural]

well hel rifle can also kill smalls pretty good

[past mesa]

let

[digital mural]

especially in reactors

[past mesa]

sniper sentry

kill them

[ocean spindle]

what

might as well help it

[unreal portal]

Well ya sniper sentry can do that

[digital mural]

jish

[unreal portal]

but 3 hybrids at once i dont think so

[ocean spindle]

it's 3 bots not a solo just shoot the hybrid with the sentry

[unreal portal]

But i’ll use hel rifle

Speed the kill up without having to aim in a projectile rain

[ocean spindle]

make shure ur holding the bridge and u can fall back a lil in case u get overwhelmed
u can put the bursts on front and the sniper sentry with u

so when hybrids run past it u can center on them

and also shoot them from a distance

tbh u can do c1 with a lot of weapons hel rifles just kinda the best for it

but pr or chokemod or whatev else it's also viable

[unreal portal]

Ya i held on the bridge near the big hole

Very gud choke point

Alr thanks yall

[dawn sigil]

Hallo frens
I play this game with a dear friend of mine but his work don't give them that much time lately, we usually play with bots, but since I'm ahead of him I don't know which expedition to play with him that isn't that much stressful, which one do you think is more enjoyable/fun?
R2D1, R3D1, R4B1
Btw, thanks for the advice, I finally finished R2C2 with bots after a hell of a weak, just to finishing it first try with said friend, it's almost as if GTFO was meant to play with frens

[unreal portal]

I would say the while rundown 1

It's like a tutorial for new players, so it's not that stressful to chill with frends

[dawn sigil]

We already finished it like... 4 times, we like the simple nature if R1 but it became like... Too ease kinda

[unreal portal]

Or u can play the game horizontally

Finish rundowns by letter tiers

Usualy A and B r kinda ez

[dawn sigil]

Tiers A and B are great but they are usually too short, since I don't play that ofter with my fren I'd like a larger expedition

That's why I was thinking of R2D1, but I've tried it alone and I'm not confident it will be a chill time

[unreal portal]

Ya C and above r on the longer side of missions

But they re pretty hard to have a "chill-time"

[dawn sigil]

Mhh I guess I'll try R4B1

[unreal portal]

Ya go ahead

Find what suit ya

I would say for me it's reactor missions

They're hard but fun personally

[dawn sigil]

I tried it but got really annoyed by a scout feeler that went through a box or something in the reactor room

I was not happy about it

[unreal portal]

Bring sniper :3

[dawn sigil]

Ahhh but are there chargers in R4B1?

[unreal portal]

Dunno, haven't played it

[dawn sigil]

I'd like him to practicing fighting against those

a

[unreal portal]

Hel gun goes brrrrrr

[dawn sigil]

Yeah, mostly because, he actually listens to me and I feel like he also wants to improve at the game

[unreal portal]

The best kind of beginners

[dawn sigil]

I've played with other friends but they, well, don't want to get better

[unreal portal]

Well then those people won't enjoy this game

[dawn sigil]

We have tried R1D1 like 5 times they can't pass the first alarm above 50% hp

[unreal portal]

It's brutal but rewarding if u know what ya doing

[dawn sigil]

I know, I really like this game

[unreal portal]

Me too bud

But most of my friends don't play it (Asians' problem lol)

So i mostly solo with bots

They're ... ok?

[sturdy glen]

R3D1 and its not even close

[dawn sigil]

Yeah, me too, they can be a little... stupid... Sometimes it seems like they are doing it on pourpuse

[dawn sigil]

Arara~
For what I know it has an error alarm, I get nighmares with those

[unreal portal]

R1C1 gives me ptsd about those fuckers

I have to really careful bout my sniper sentry placement

Plus running all over the place doing codes and reload the tools

[dawn sigil]

Ahhh funny enough I have really good memories of R1C1, since I played it with my fren and his brother, damn it was such a good time, and almost finished it with bots but, it wasn't the same

[unreal portal]

Me too, lost at the 7th wave

Last night, wish i had someone to play with lol

That's actually one of my fav

Gud map layout, simple and fun with the hybrids

[dawn sigil]

Ah wait, I misread that, R3C1 was the fun one
R1C1... I played it a lot with those friends that don't want to improve... We just barely finished it... I want to choke them

But I actually agree, R1C1 can be a lot of fun

[hard nexus]

How

[unreal portal]

We should play sometime

[dawn sigil]

fr fr~

[dawn sigil]

Hallo

[unreal portal]

Tbh i'm new to the game too (bout 20hrs-ish), but i have experince with DRG and L4D2 so that helps a lot

[dawn sigil]

I'm in the 120 hour mark... Most of it in the lobby as I watch the map layout and objectives xP

I know this game can be... You know, a lil bitty hard... I don't like going blank

[unreal portal]

It's gud

I watch guides and learn map layouts a bit before every dive

Information is KING in gtfo

[dawn sigil]

I don't watch guides anymore... I don't think they are bad, but they are focused on team play, that's is alright of course, until you play with bots...

[unreal portal]

I can learn a thing or two from them

[dawn sigil]

I swear to god they don't know how to use a foam launcher and take a millenium and a half to place a mine

[unreal portal]

Especially bout the enemies types, environmental hazards, ...

[unreal portal]

Ever seen someone place a mine in the open?

[dawn sigil]

What I think is very good to learn from bots are the biotracker timing

[unreal portal]

Saying it's for def?

[unreal portal]

8.5s

And also, tag when they r close enough

I have seen people tag only like 3-4 enemies

Then the whole ass population of 20-ish shows up

Holy shit the jumpscare

[dawn sigil]

Can't count, too busy getting my ass kicked by 2 giants

[unreal portal]

lol ya ik

It's a muscle memory thing

I main foam launcher tho

For very specific reasons :3

[dawn sigil]

Free alarm doors?

[civic wave]

Bots have faster biotracker cooldown than players, so you can't exactly learn that from them

[dawn sigil]

Really?

[civic wave]

Yea

[dawn sigil]

That's new

Damn it

[unreal portal]

Oh damn that's new

[unreal portal]

That's one of them

Also if i'm not mistaken, but bots can ping 360 around them

Instead of a cone shape like the players

[civic wave]

Yep, and with increased range compared to players too

[unreal portal]

Ya i noticed that too

[dawn sigil]

Those damn hackers

[unreal portal]

It's to compensate their stupidity

[dawn sigil]

Btw fren, I'd love to talk more but it is 3:30 around here and it time for me to become a sleeper myself

[unreal portal]

Let me help ya

Gud nite

[dawn sigil]

Btw~
You can add me if you wish to play some day

[unreal portal]

Yessir

[dawn sigil]

I send you a dm, see ya later frens

[unreal portal]

See ya

[unreal portal]

Lookin at the stats of HAR and Arbalest, they can, on paper, kill giants and hybrid with equal to or less than 1 mag. How do yall think bout using those for that purpose?

Regardless the obviously better options

[tardy ingot]

not the best choice

but do it if necessary

[unreal portal]

Ya

Hmmm will try on r1c1

[soft crater]

HAR for r1c1 is an. Interesting choice.

[unreal portal]

Ikr

But it can put in the work

[livid stone]

it sucks

[unreal portal]

Ya ik, but i like the sounds tho

[lone mortar]

thôi về sv t đi

chơi chung cho zui :v

solomo ngồi mòn đít k có team

[unreal portal]

Well có điều là hong có đứng im chờ như bot nữa đâu

[soft crater]

HAR in particular seemingly runs low on ammo

But on comparison to Arby. It fires faster

Without charge up

[lone mortar]

lmao

k dỗi nửa

về với đội của t đi

[unreal portal]

Và người ở trỏng nói xấu t

[lone mortar]

ai nói?

[unreal portal]

Sơn báo cáo

[unreal portal]

T cuz chả đọc

[lone mortar]

kê

vào t cấp kèo combat

có t bảo kê

mà chắc thằng sơn đó out r còn gì

[unreal portal]

Well t cuz ko bik

But t chơi for fun so vô kiểu try hard quá t out

Ofc t vẫn học hỏi tăng kỹ năng

[unreal portal]

Agree

[soft crater]

It's also just Depending where you defend. The range you engage enemies can kind of vary

[tardy ingot]

thats just cuz people overfire

overshoot

[soft crater]

Or miss

Forbid whoever full autos that thing outside of needing to dps giants

(Best to tap fire it. Though full auto is just more fun imo)

[unreal portal]

Well i believe most people tap fire AR anyways

[digital mural]

Most of people tap fire every auto anyways

[unreal portal]

Except when things r very close then u can unload

[digital mural]

[unreal portal]

Same brain cells m8

[soft crater]

Normal AR can reasonably be full auto'd from relatively far/Short range

HAR not so much

[unreal portal]

The recoil is brutal on that thing

But gud damage and reload i would say

[digital mural]

Use it as semi auto

And You are fine

[unreal portal]

1 mag for a giant aint so bad

[digital mural]

I love HAR

[unreal portal]

Or burst rifle style

[livid stone]

1 mag for 2 giants

[frail heart]

1 mag for 2 giants

LMAO

[unreal portal]

Despite it’s bad, i like it too

[frail heart]

sniper

sniper ggoated

[digital mural]

Frosty

[livid stone]

sawed off

[unreal portal]

Once my love

Always my love, despite 2 bullets

[frail heart]

na fuck sniper

[tardy ingot]

lovely weapon
shit state rn

[unreal portal]

GFYS

[frail heart]

i do every day

i have a problem

[digital mural]

We know

[unreal portal]

Me cry everyday

[frail heart]

dont

[unreal portal]

Aint we all?

[frail heart]

i prefer speaking to woman

[unreal portal]

Which u have none

[civic wave]

how do i stack up

[frail heart]

idk win a speedrunning comp

get flown to another country

[civic wave]

no speedrunning comps, speedruns are lame

[frail heart]

yeah i would never

[frail heart]

first stage: denial

[lone mortar]

thì lúc đó ô new

mà đòi đi C tier thì vậy th

[unreal portal]

Thì lúc đó có bik về mission tier âu

Nói chung t chơi thì toxic quá là t out

Chứ ko có lý do j để ở lại

[unreal portal]

My constant state of existence

But then we have hel rifle, the sniper sub

[frail heart]

Erm refer to rule 3 please 🤓 ☝️

[ocean spindle]

que la regla que

[lone mortar]

Shush it casual

[grave kite]

are the servers lagging for you guys?

[digital mural]

GTFO has no servers

its peer to peer

[grave kite]

oh really? shittt

[digital mural]

its either your internet or the host

[soft crater]

Or both

[halcyon current]

How fucked up is the back half of R4 until E1? Specifically C3-D2.

[digital mural]

really
fucked up

it will surely take a while

[halcyon current]

Like

More then 2 days?

[digital mural]

eh

probably yeah

with the average player

[halcyon current]

I see

I think without time constraints I could do em in a day

[digital mural]

you are doing PE right?

[halcyon current]

I had someone last night that allegedly hadn't played in months join my first R4C2 PE attempt

[halcyon current]

No tbh

If the group wants to I'll go for it

[digital mural]

ah youll be fine then

"fine"

[halcyon current]

If they don't want to I only need main clears for the mask

I'll do PEs for the experience tho

I think they make me a better player overall

But if the other 3 dudes go "yeah let's do PE" I'm along for the ride, yk?

[digital mural]

R4 and R5 will make you a better player one way or another

[halcyon current]

I did get to deal with funny scouts for the first time last night

[ocean spindle]

:D

[digital mural]

:D

the funny ones or the funnier ones?

[ocean spindle]

which funny ones yeah

[halcyon current]

Invisible ones in Overload

For R4C2

[ocean spindle]

oh right

[digital mural]

the funnier

[ocean spindle]

that's their debut

[halcyon current]

Where's their natural debut?

[ocean spindle]

... r4c2

pretty sure

[halcyon current]

Nah like

If you're only doing mains

[ocean spindle]

oh

mhhh

r5 something probs

cause i'm r4 they don't appear anywhere except sectors

[halcyon current]

So you get these mfs real early if you're doing overload

They're funny tho

[ocean spindle]

in a D tier too

[digital mural]

in R4 they are only in overload objectives

[halcyon current]

I think we only set off one?

[digital mural]

cant wait until you meet the fucked scouts

:3

[halcyon current]

Can you still one shot em with a hammer?

[ocean spindle]

mhh r5... holy shit
does r5e1 has them? otherwise like never

[digital mural]

shadow scouts, yeah

[ocean spindle]

shadow scouts have the same stats as a normal scout

[halcyon current]

Nah, I mean the more fucked up ones

[digital mural]

no

[ocean spindle]

oh charger ones no

they got 60 hp so two to the back

two hammers

[digital mural]

i mean the other|| fucked up ones ||

[ocean spindle]

oh those neither

[halcyon current]

There's more?

[ocean spindle]

:3

[halcyon current]

I knew c scouts existed lmao

[digital mural]

:3

[ocean spindle]

u will see them :3

[halcyon current]

GTFO really is the gift that keeps on giving ngl

[ocean spindle]

but yes cscouts are hard for melee unless u practice them a fuck ton

[digital mural]

i always find shooting them the best option

[halcyon current]

I only ask cause chargers themselves are easy to kill

[ocean spindle]

also i don't think shadow scouts appear on a main till r7

like, d2 or something

they appear in a lot of sectors tho

[halcyon current]

Damn, so they really held this on reserve for awhile if you're staying on mains huh

[ocean spindle]

happens with some kinds of enemies

[halcyon current]

I kinda like it

[digital mural]

and happens especially with 2 types of enemies

wont spoil

[halcyon current]

Reminds me of DOOM's Slayer gates

[ocean spindle]

:D

[halcyon current]

If you were up for the challenge you got to see new enemies earlier

[ocean spindle]

those scared me :3

[halcyon current]

Appreciate you

Nah I figure I can get C3 to D2 done over a couple of days

E1 is probably gonna be trials and tribulations in and of itself

But like

Ik I can beat it

Time, practice, dedication

[ocean spindle]

and pain :3

[halcyon current]

Nah

I genuinely enjoy myself in GTFO

Win or lose

[digital mural]

thats really good

keep it up

[halcyon current]

Losing in games isn't bad, it's just a learning experience if you're willing to analyze it

[livid stone]

not for some people

[halcyon current]

They're unwilling to learn from it then, and will probably keep losing

Oh I did also get to play with Batati last night

Dude people keep reporting for throwing or whatever

He's not a bad dude, he just doesn't speak a lot of English and he plays aggressively but he's pretty good imo

[fallen kite]

okay does he play aggressively or is he waking up rooms and trying to solo hold alarms for no reason

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[halcyon current]

He wasn't purposefully waking up rooms in my experience

If the group ran with him we were generally sprinting through rooms clearing em with melee

[fallen kite]

( idk this guy btw im just assuming )

[halcyon current]

Nah, I can see how if you're new it looks like he's throwing

But he's just doing the good player aggressive thing

He wasn't running off to solo hold alarms

[hard nexus]

all true until its the 5th fucking time and counting

[halcyon current]

I tbh stopped getting angry at games after Dark Souls

[civic wave]

regardless of winning or losing i always analyse what i do, fuck this game i wanna beat the shit out of it

[hard nexus]

all at extraction btw

[halcyon current]

I can remember the exact moment

[hard nexus]

so heat is up there

[halcyon current]

Once I lost 7 million souls in DS1 because I pathed poorly and fell lmao

And after that point I just treat losing as a learning experience

That moment caused me to stop getting angry at games

[silent delta]

damn

thats impressive

i probably would have broken something

either on my desk or in my body whichever came first

[hard nexus]

well u cant get angry at people if u wanna keep your job and shit so i keep getting angry at games

and people at other side of the monitor

[silent delta]

DOOR STUCK

[civic wave]

i threw an r1a1 solo last night at the class 2 alarm

it was WR rng

[silent delta]

F

[halcyon current]

I just put my controller down, leaned back, and closed my eyes. I was livid, but I was more livid with myself

[civic wave]

the mix of emotions that gave me, oh my

[fallen kite]

thats tilting holy shit

[silent delta]

good shit

i usually give my desk a smack, say damn it, take a break to cool off

howd you throw? just went down?

[civic wave]

this is the way, I get annoyed at the fact that something happened, but don't direct my anger elsewhere

[fallen kite]

tfw playing games becomes a meditation exercise as opposed to winding down

[civic wave]

i really fucking wanted to scream

[halcyon current]

Even people I don't get angry at. We're all learning and some of us are better or worse then others. If they're better then me I can learn something, if they're worse then me I can get better by playing to make up that differential.

[hard nexus]

yea i know

[silent delta]

any bad player is an opportunity to carry

[hard nexus]

i dont mean it but i do it anyway

[civic wave]

this dumbass who never loses to the class 2 alarm in r1a1 psyched themselves out and threw on a run with incredible rng (getting another run like that will probably take at least 5 hours of resetting)

[hard nexus]

sometimes i lose groups that way but its what it is

[halcyon current]

If you get angry about a problem, you now have two problems. It's just not worth it to tilt and ruin mental.

[silent delta]

5 hours light work walk it off (i am so sorry)

[hard nexus]

yea except when ur also bad kekw

[silent delta]

so real

"wait hang on guys i can melee the giant watch this"

[civic wave]

i think you misunderstand what i said

[halcyon current]

I might

[civic wave]

the annoyance, anger, whatever is there, I'm annoyed that whatever bad thing happened

but i don't direct it towards anything

i let it be

[hard nexus]

i have this now every time on the scenic route in NFS

[halcyon current]

Oh yeah no, I understood that, I was just offering my viewpoint

[hard nexus]

go world record pace and fucking slam my car at the finish line

[halcyon current]

I literally just view the anger as another problem and bypass it to unpack later

[silent delta]

you know what i find helps immensely with gamer rage

having my dog in the room

[halcyon current]

If I'm angry angry at something I hit the bench or do push ups or something

[silent delta]

instead of getting mad i pet my dog

it works wonders

[hard nexus]

error alarm entering sleeping giants room "cmon boys lets save our 80% ammo and melee" famous last fucking words

[halcyon current]

R2E1 type beat lmao

[silent delta]

or i leave to go find an ammopack and i see three downs in chat

"hey theres like six giants coming your way"

cant leave anyone alone for 10 seocnds

[halcyon current]

That's why I bring Hel Shotty and Burst Cannon

[hard nexus]

if the throw is funny i just laugh at it

if its annoying i slam desk and say fuck

[silent delta]

oh yeah its great

[hard nexus]

or i say fuck THEN slam desk

[halcyon current]

Giants have been fucking my new friends up tbh

[silent delta]

cannot tell you how many times we clear the wave and theres like one hybrid left, i pull out my hammer and run in like an idiot, and i get beaned in the back of the head with a hel rifle

[tardy ingot]

What goat did today:
-Run through 9 scouts

• shoot spawn capped enemies
• grab thing
• stay on scan
• jump down into terminal

[silent delta]

"grab thing" 🗣️🔥‼️💯

[solar cloak]

I saw there is in-game voice chat does the enemies hear our voice or its just normal vc?

[halcyon current]

It's normal VC, I wish it had that feature tho

[silent delta]

enemies cannot hear you speak no

[halcyon current]

That'd be badass

[silent delta]

not without mods ;)

[halcyon current]

Guys

They should make scout aggro if you flashlight the feelers

I think that would be a funny addition to GTFO

[silent delta]

why do u hate us

what have we done to u

[solar cloak]

ah alright thats okay cause my friends scream the first thing they see

[silent delta]

they can scream all they want

just make sure they dont hit the floor

[solar cloak]

ah well... we died like 3 times in the first run so lol

[halcyon current]

R1A1?

[solar cloak]

yeah

[silent delta]

this is a game in which getting comfortable with wiping might be a good idea

[halcyon current]

^

[silent delta]

gtfo is a soulslike (real)

[solar cloak]

told them not to run but oh well

[hard nexus]

wipe on r1c1 some more

[tardy ingot]

a lot of it is gonna be lack of gameknowledge/experience in the beginning

[hard nexus]

then tell me that again

[halcyon current]

My new friends actually got through R1C1 in one

I was really impressed

[hard nexus]

that is impressive yes

[solar cloak]

damn

[silent delta]

r?

fr*?

what guns

[hard nexus]

and thats why i dont like entering r1c1 "carry runs"

[halcyon current]

God

Lemme think

[silent delta]

clarification: were they carry guns or did everyone bring mgs

[halcyon current]

I'm pretty sure that was DMR+HCP for one and Carbine+Veruta on another

[silent delta]

not awful

[halcyon current]

I'm blanking on what the third had

He and I were just running goofy shit cause R1

[silent delta]

oh yeah i love running dmr revo

it forces me to beef all my ammo get good at hitting headshots

[halcyon current]

I really do feel like some part of getting good at HS in GTFO is learning how to make the AI walk where you want them too

[silent delta]

at high school?

oh headshots

smooth brain

[halcyon current]

Lmao, it's okay

[silent delta]

getting used to how the enemies move, abusing how they stop for a second for attack animations

[halcyon current]

Ye, and getting your team to group up somewhere you'll get em to run down a long hall type area at you

Somewhere where they're just gonna flood in with a tight grouping in a line

[silent delta]

playing aimlabs three hours each day

[halcyon current]

Nah tbh

That only works if you can personally transfer your skill from game to game

Or learning how to apply the baseline mechanics you'll learn in aimlabs rather

[silent delta]

lmao yeah i know

i was kidding

a lot of the problem honestly is that some of the guns have crap sights

which isnt necessarily a bad thing, i think it fits the vibe of the game

but hcp sights cause me pain

[halcyon current]

I don't mind em

No gun in the game has like

Ww2 irons

[silent delta]

i disagree

scatter

granted that is the gun that requires like the least aiming in the game

[halcyon current]

I just hipfire that mf

[silent delta]

but the ironsights on that one are so funny lmao

its just like a stick

[soft crater]

Iron sights never made it into the game unfortunately aside from Scattergun

[silent delta]

i mean some of them just have glow sights

which are basically ironsights

but they glow

wow

most of the handguns

[soft crater]

I ain't accepting pistol/revo/hel revo as true iron sights

[silent delta]

why not

[soft crater]

That shits like Apex legends iron sights

[silent delta]

they're basically just ironsights with a splash of color

[halcyon current]

You can see see what's under the dot, which you couldn't do with a real front post on an iron

[silent delta]

for hcp yeah i guess

hel revo no, at least from what i recall

and i dont run revolver enough to be an authority on that one lmao

or pistol

[halcyon current]

Nah HRevo too

And Pistol

HRevo is a floating triangle, Pistol is another floating dot

[silent delta]

mmmmm

idk

im looking at the rel revo right now i cant tell if its a floating dot or if its connected underneath

i suppose if you dont count those ironsights then yeah its just scatter

but who ads'es with scatter anyway

[halcyon current]

Exactly

If they were asking you to aim with like, a BAR A2 sight I'd get it

[soft crater]

BAR being a Full auto M1 Garand

"We should charge these mfs with 30-06 Rifles and BARs"

[halcyon current]

It's a beautiful thing tbh

[mystic pollen]

does anyone know of any mod that removes bot friendly fire

we're using better bots but we still take ff from them

we tried that other mod that was called literally "no bot firendly fire" or smth along those lines and that didn't work either

[civic wave]

Well I think from what you've said you already found the mod

Couldn't tell you why it's not working but I can tell you that friendly fire shouldn't be a big problem at all if you position well

[floral acorn]

if all players install nobotff, its mostly working but not always, u can sometimes still get clipped. reason unknown.

[sudden dune]

is it viable to run DMR and Sniper as a loadout?

[upper ginkgo]

sure

[tardy ingot]

DMR, yes
sniper, viable... yeeees. Good, no

[upper ginkgo]

assuming you have 3 other competent people

[tardy ingot]

in general everything is viable (in some limits) but stuff can be good or bad

[fallen kite]

fuck around and find out