#gtfo-related-questions

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soft crater
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Veruta has a 1.45x stagger multi

silent delta
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arbalist also apparently charges up slower and has more recoil

soft crater
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Rof obviously has play into that. But it still isn't much

livid stone
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arbalist is cooler

soft crater
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The biggest shame was when they re-did Arby's reload animation

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Fucked it's reload cancel

silent delta
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yeah now veruta also gets more uptime

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they really fucked the things

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also holy shit they only have like 40 dps, i thought it was way higher than that

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certainly felt higher

soft crater
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The total dmg is relatively the same iirc

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Per mag*

silent delta
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yeah the wiki says they're both about 210

soft crater
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Arby iirc is like 214

silent delta
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potato potahto

soft crater
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Arby is just another gun like AR

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That gets buffed in modded

silent delta
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they should just like double the damage of every single fully automatic weapon in the game for like a week and just see what happens

soft crater
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I'd rather not "every" automatic.

silent delta
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mmm

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ok we can leave otu hel shotty

soft crater
narrow niche
silent delta
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👍

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nerf sniper

soft crater
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Also

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26 dmg pr

silent delta
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this is fine

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why the hell are hel shotty and prec rifle fully auto

soft crater
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Hel shotty makes sense.

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PR does not

silent delta
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i mean maybe

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i never full auto it

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always tap fire

soft crater
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I want to like PR more but that reload is so annoying

silent delta
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its in such a weird niche

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like the damage and reload are not great

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its kind of awful against giants

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but if you can aim well you can kill 10 smalls at range without reloading

soft crater
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Well it's dmg/functionality is similar to revolver but with more range / kill normal scouts to front

silent delta
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way more range and a larger clip in exchange for slower firing speed and reload

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and also better sights

soft crater
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shrugs

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The thermals feel weird in that they are kinda using

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Picture-in-picture magnification

silent delta
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i mean

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the thermal is nice

soft crater
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Vs your entire screen magnifying

silent delta
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but more so i dont like the revo ironsights

soft crater
narrow niche
soft crater
narrow niche
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i know

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i just forgot the thermals used picture in picture

soft crater
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Not all games do this though

narrow niche
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none of the other scopes do

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thats

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really weird

silent delta
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its also weird that regardless of what angle you hold the gun at the thermal shows whatever's at your crosshair

soft crater
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Because it never stops the picture in picture

narrow niche
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hm

soft crater
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Also so that you can still somewhat view it from the hip

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Even if you have weapon resting. Once you look towards an enemy. Your weapon will point forward

craggy pier
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sigma

worn crow
prime musk
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is learning to melee charger scouts something people do
as in 2 players with sledge coordinate hits to stealth kill without foam

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i tried with a friend on a modded practice map and we got like 5 or 6 in a row on our best attempt but it seems very inconsistent

worn crow
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Not really necessary for the base game unless you want to have a bit of fun, taking a C foam launcher is always the best approach.

worn crow
prime musk
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so it's not a skill we should actually be practicing in order to help clearing maps

ocean spindle
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and just completely skip it

worn crow
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That or just insta-kill it

prime musk
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yeah we usually just shoot

worn crow
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That’s what I usually do for R5B1 overload pubs since C-foam isn’t great on that level

prime musk
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but sometimes bringing cfoam isn't an option when playing duos so when we need stealth in those situations it gets scuffed

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probably just need better strats / need to depend less on sentries so we can bring it

soft crater
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Albeit I was playing with Hange

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I probably wouldn't have the light of day to reload that thing without em

worn crow
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It can be quite nice there for shadow stealth and reactor shutdown yeah

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But for nearly everything else not so much, really difficult to use it during the surge for instance

soft crater
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For surges it would be reliant on your team

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Otherwise you wouldn't take it

silent delta
inner shell
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Is there controller support in this game? I’m bad at MKB

narrow niche
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...yes? Kinda?

hidden ridge
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If you do be aware that stick drift can sabotage stealth

digital mural
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Controller feels really bad in this game

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And for some people its straight up broken

hidden ridge
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I tried once and the stick drift was moving me imperceptibly and that still woke up enemies

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I assume a bigger deadzone would have fixed it but I didnt bother

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Also good luck doing terminals with Controller Only

ocean spindle
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i think it's feasible someone would just have to do terminals

prime musk
civic wave
digital mural
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Which happened to me

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And other people

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Bold of You to assume i was talking about gyro

stiff hearth
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Which auto main weapon performs best while hipfire?

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Excluding Hel pp, machinepistol and bullup

digital mural
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i think

stiff hearth
digital mural
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burst

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technically auto

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i guess

tardy ingot
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burst

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..

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is not auto

stiff hearth
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I ask because yesterday I was playing R5d2 with pdw and I really liked the hipfire. I think if the other autos would have the same feeling

tardy ingot
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performs best in what way

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best hipfire

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or best actual value

minor fractal
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But like, don't use autos.

tardy ingot
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its pdw isnt it

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best hipfire

silent delta
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its close enough to auto

minor fractal
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PDW has a lot more recoil

silent delta
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i mean

minor fractal
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but yeah, it's more accurate.

silent delta
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hel shotty

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i almost never ads with that

minor fractal
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HEL Shotty is not an auto.

tardy ingot
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tbf, while that is an automatic weapon

minor fractal
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It's just not what "auto" means

tardy ingot
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its usually categorized as a shotgun

past mesa
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For me

tardy ingot
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also doesnt smg have one of the "worse" hip fires?

silent delta
stiff hearth
silent delta
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i see how it is

tardy ingot
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not that it matters... as ray said. automatics are kinda bleh

silent delta
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bullpup best gun

tardy ingot
soft crater
tardy ingot
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hel shotty is a shotty

stiff hearth
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And today I'll do some R3 with my newbie teammates, I want to hang around with some auto hipfire :P

soft crater
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I'm kidding

gaunt radish
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How would you guys rank the current rundowns in terms of difficulty?

ocean spindle
digital mural
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I see we all agree on that

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Nice

gaunt radish
digital mural
ocean spindle
digital mural
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If You get Hardstuck jump into the next rundown

gaunt radish
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yeah forsure

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are all of them possible solo?

digital mural
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No

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No without cheese

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Or exploits

gaunt radish
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oh okay

ocean spindle
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unless ur actually cracked at the game u just need at least another person

soft crater
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technically yes. but it would be an absurd amount of time vs with exploits/cheese

ocean spindle
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and even then hardest levels are still 10x as bad

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well not 10 but very hard

past mesa
craggy pier
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thats a great way of putting it

mighty bison
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does anyone know why in r2 d1 when the host dc

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the infection for the rest of the mission is reversed

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Everything else is completely fogged up

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but at extraction there is zero fog

digital mural
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Host migration can fuck some stuff

mighty bison
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I thought i lost the mission

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1hr 40min gone

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but for some reason there was zero fog

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at extraction

tiny wyvern
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That's why

mighty bison
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Ohhhhh

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But like when i put the 4th cell in

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i thought that would lower the fog

tiny wyvern
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It does

digital mural
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When You put all Cells the fog rises

mighty bison
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But it seem to have gotten higher or just didnt move

digital mural
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And when You finish the scan it lowers

tiny wyvern
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It only starts that thing when you put all five in

mighty bison
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cause my wifi died

tiny wyvern
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Did someone else host for a moment and used da funni command

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Or did your game bug out?

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I don't know

mighty bison
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I hosted the game

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and wifi died so i dc

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and come back

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all fogged

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@digital mural said its host migration

digital mural
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It might be host migration bugs
Or someone used the fog command like Golden said

tiny wyvern
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Well migrating to host with fog can set you back a few cells

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Might be the reason why who knows

mighty bison
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no its like at the point where like everything was fogged

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even the ones that wasnt at the start of mission

digital mural
tiny wyvern
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Did you get infected like super quickly?

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when you joined back

mighty bison
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Ye two stayed at high point and me and someone else ran and grabbed last cell and hope it would lower fog

mighty bison
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for the 4th cell

digital mural
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This is confusing

mighty bison
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It was 608 i believe

digital mural
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Did You got infected in a couple seconds?

mighty bison
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No like the fog

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infection fog rised

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not the infection level itself

tiny wyvern
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Ok then it's just host migration confusing fog levels again
4th cell should've fixed it

mighty bison
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It didnt

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it fixed after the last scan before extraction

digital mural
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Host migration bugs

mighty bison
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it probably is

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I thought 4th cell would fix

tired aurora
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when host leaves on R2D1 it looks like the game counts +1 cell so when you put in 4th cell the game thinks you have 5 cells and fog starts rising

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i've seen it happen like 5 times one of them was like 3 days ago

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so ye it's host migration bugs

native sun
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Same thing happens on R7C2 afaik

tired aurora
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also on R3A2 i think

ocean spindle
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with yellow syringes, it would take 4~ hits to kill a mom rifhr

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assuming it's all hammers

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cause it's 20 full charge x 3 of syringe x 5 of tumors

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oh but tumors are 126 hp nevermind then

tardy ingot
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thats also why during the sniper 3 shot stage iix syringes actually were good against bosses for once

ocean spindle
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uh what

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why

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is it cause it leaves the boss low enough to be syringe'd?

tardy ingot
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no during that time they just actually made you deal dmg

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iix on hammer did 300 dmg

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spear did nearly 400

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you could kill mom faster with iix

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now its just extra 26 (or for spear unironically useless vs mom)

ocean spindle
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wait wuh
did moms not have melee limit before rundown 8?

tardy ingot
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SLENDI

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during

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r8

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when sniper

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was able to 3 shot mom

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that was a short patch

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where tumors had no limit

ocean spindle
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OH three shot i thought u just meant 3 mag size

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teehee sorry :3 my dumbass

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damn i had a great idea but i guess i will do it another way kdmskd

lone mortar
tardy ingot
lone mortar
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WHAT

ocean spindle
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omg me when i go live

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and uh

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stuff

digital mural
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slendi stream when

ocean spindle
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when i
maybe
i unironically would kinda vibe doing a stream but of course i need equipment for that kdmskd

digital mural
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then you are golden

ocean spindle
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and a mic

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and be able to talk and stuff

torn phoenix
ocean spindle
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a pc that can run obs and gtfo KDMKSD

digital mural
ocean spindle
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but i have my headphones already :[

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they don't have a good mic but i like them

digital mural
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the worse the mic quality the better

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:)

tardy ingot
ocean spindle
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brah

tardy ingot
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i think thats the bare minimum

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10 year old pc (aside from gpu)

digital mural
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see

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Eva is streaming in a 10 year old PC

ocean spindle
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i also got a 10 year old pc but my pc doesn't even run gtfo

digital mural
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thats probably a nuclear bomb at this point

ocean spindle
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i need at least to be able to run r1d1 at more than... 20 fps

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and then maybe

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kdmskd

digital mural
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slendi gaming at 10 fps

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🔥

silent delta
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like any headset more than 10 dollars has some form of built in microphone

ocean spindle
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only the one built into my pc and the mic on my headphones is TERRIBLE

silent delta
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what are you specs

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are all of them vegetables

ocean spindle
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yes

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i play on a carrot pc

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or well- played

silent delta
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id believe it

digital mural
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he uses a potato as a GPU

silent delta
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that was what i was assuming

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you can have my old gpu if you want it

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it doesnt work

ocean spindle
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it's funny cause d1 at 20 fps was my goal not my current power

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i cannot run d1

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it crashes

silent delta
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which d1

ocean spindle
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r1

silent delta
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what shit ass fucking dumpster pc do you ahve

ocean spindle
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:]

silent delta
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what are ur specs

ocean spindle
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idk i forgot i said them like 20 times only when people ask me and then i stop remembering

silent delta
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you can look at them

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on the computer

ocean spindle
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u just need to know it's a mac air with a windows partition

ocean spindle
silent delta
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oh

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same!

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feel that

ocean spindle
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smh

silent delta
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yeah u right

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thats all i need to know

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im shocked you got the game to run at all

silent delta
ocean spindle
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mimimi gardens are too heavy mimimi my loading mimi
i ran r7b1 before r1d1 go to sleep

silent delta
ocean spindle
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that's what i mean goober

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i ran r7b1 before r1d1

silent delta
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howd that go

ocean spindle
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it ran as pretty much other level

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i just died on the ending couple times cause i was bad

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it was my very first games ever

digital mural
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if it works it works?

ocean spindle
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no, no- it doesn't anymore

silent delta
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lmao

ocean spindle
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battery's fried

silent delta
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ok so

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when i was like 14

digital mural
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what a bad start

ocean spindle
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my father took me into the city

silent delta
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my gaming up until that point had consisted of me running minecraft on my moms like 2008 macbook air

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and i was sick of it

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so for christmas, i asked my parents for a family gaming computer

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so i could run my games slightly better

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now my parents are lovely people, and they mean very well

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but they dont know shit about computers

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so christmas morning

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there's an iMac sitting in the office.

ocean spindle
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lol

digital mural
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thats what i like to call a skill issue

ocean spindle
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hey just partition like me to have it be full windows easy

silent delta
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i just kind of dealt with osx for a while, and then we set up a windows partition

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and i dont think we've literally ever booted ti back to osx

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we've tried a couple times and it just straight up doesnt work 💀

digital mural
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wtf

silent delta
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i could run subnautica at like

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35 fps

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maximum gaming

digital mural
silent delta
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i know right

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the bar is so fucking low

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but the imac cleared it

ocean spindle
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funnily enough i do have the mac operating system still there
i don't know why i just never eliminated it, sometimes i used it for recording music idk

silent delta
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good for it

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anyway yeah slendo i know the pain and once you play on an actual computer you will never be able to go back

ocean spindle
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i mean

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of course

silent delta
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i think we left it like a tiny bit of ram and just dealt

ocean spindle
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who would

silent delta
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its like a 14 year old computer thats broken

ocean spindle
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that's a weird thing to say

silent delta
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it fell off the desk a couple times

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screen is cracked

digital mural
silent delta
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anyway yeah its a shitbox

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my dad mostly uses it cuz i have my pc and laptop, and he runs STO on the lowest graphics settings the game has

ocean spindle
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what's sto

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stoic

silent delta
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Star Trek Online

ocean spindle
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lol

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my dad has a good pc cause he's the money one and shit but all he does is just sometimes play emulated arcade games

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and when i was younger i saw em play xcom a lot

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but like the very first ones

silent delta
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are you planning on upgrading beyond the uh

halcyon current
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the only game i could ever get my father to play was DOOM 93 tbh

silent delta
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🤢 macbook air?

ocean spindle
halcyon current
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said everything else was far too complicated for em

ocean spindle
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like brah

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yeah of course i plan to

silent delta
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man that sucks

my dad is dope, we've played tons of games together

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halo, cuphead, raft, bit of minecraft

silent delta
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soon?

ocean spindle
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ah maybe hopefully

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got some money saved up but i'm gonna need more if i wanna do it

silent delta
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whats ur budget?

ocean spindle
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all that i can get

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ngl i forgot what budget meant in english im gonna search it
funny not first language i speak spanish teehee

silent delta
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oh no its ok!

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whats your budgeto

ocean spindle
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ok yeah all that i can get KDMSKD

silent delta
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😎

digital mural
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Pesos

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Plata

silent delta
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cuanto dinero quieres pasar en la nueva computadora

ocean spindle
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i mean i am not super gamer pc racing to play idk, baldurs gate or something
i just play like 3 games, gtfo is the heaviest game i ever ran

silent delta
ocean spindle
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eh mas o menos

silent delta
ocean spindle
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my main issue is just not knowing shit about computers, but my brother does so i can ask shit to him

silent delta
ocean spindle
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also isn't a 3060 like overkill

silent delta
torn phoenix
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the recommended is 1060, that card is like £50 or $60

digital mural
silent delta
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depending on your budget you might want to go lower

silent delta
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fantastic resource

ocean spindle
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i wanna play gtfo not cyberpunk with 100 visual mods

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i wanna bonk funny sleepers

silent delta
ocean spindle
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... nah

silent delta
ocean spindle
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fuck u >:c

silent delta
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fuck me yourself coward

ocean spindle
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smh

digital mural
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Its cheap

torn phoenix
digital mural
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And can run a lot of games too

silent delta
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i have an msi gs66 stealth as my laptop

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and this thing is fantastic

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i love it

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great for gaming adn for work

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it was like, 1100?

ocean spindle
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ay cabron 30 mil pesos

digital mural
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Dms slendo

ocean spindle
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that's how u know ur living in fucking third world

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fucking hell

silent delta
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right forgot you dont use FREEDOM UNITS

ocean spindle
digital mural
silent delta
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its great

ocean spindle
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a

digital mural
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where you can get it cheaper than average

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you can see builds of different people

tiny wyvern
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wait pesos as in spanish currency

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Is it spanish currency

digital mural
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spain uses euros i believe

tiny wyvern
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huh

digital mural
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hm?

neon gust
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guarani supremacy

sinful lake
neon gust
hidden ridge
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Just take a 4060, it should go for high 200s (so by that I mean around 250-300 euroes) instead

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I'm pretty sure all/most 4060s are 8pin so you dont need the new psu vhc whatever connector Nvidia wants everyone to have

ocean spindle
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why do i need a 4060 to play gtfo and buckshot roulette

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or like

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am i missing something

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i am not a pc kind of person

digital mural
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Slendo You use GeForce now

hidden ridge
digital mural
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You could Buy a fucking microwave

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And play GTFO there

hidden ridge
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the right question is that going lower is kinda non-possible bar getting used stuff

sinful lake
hidden ridge
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3050s are around 250 euroes

sinful lake
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Easy 30 fps

digital mural
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250 euros

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Thats

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A lot

hidden ridge
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checking amazon, from 200 to 250

ocean spindle
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that's expensive

hidden ridge
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yes, that's why I'd just get a 4060 for that price

ocean spindle
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isn't the euro at like 23 24 pesos

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what if i just don't get nor a 3050 not a 4060

hidden ridge
ocean spindle
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and instead get something cheaper

digital mural
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:3

ocean spindle
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sahlaverde

digital mural
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It's a fucking lot

hidden ridge
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Problem with Nvidia "low" end is the diminishing return

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AMD RX 7600 are around 250-280

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more or less performs as a 4060 AFAIK WITHOUT counting DLSS or whatnot

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there's a big chunk of market missing and it's the sub 200, or perhaps I'm just ignorant

silent delta
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i mean

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the main point is that while it is a bit more expensive

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(a 4060 compared to like a 1660)

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its not that much more expensive

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and its like 3x better

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idk the actual numbers id have to ubm it but it is substantially better for the extra amount you'd pay

tiny wyvern
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The market for hardware is always that arguement
At the end of the day just hope to god your stuff comes fine and doesn't brick the first time you use it

silent delta
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real

tiny wyvern
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And warranty
Can't forget warranty

silent delta
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nothign quite as heartbreaking as buying a secondhand gpu and finding out the previous owner cryptomined the shit out of it

hidden ridge
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It's just that Nvidia has basically the monopoly on consumer market GPUs, AMD barely tries to make a dent and ultimately it really feels like you'd pay X for Y fpses but the ratio is the same no matter what

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So you get people getting Nvidia more often because of certain stuff like whatever shadowplay is named now, or relatively more reliable drivers than AMD

silent delta
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ye

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ive had an AMD gpu for the past several years

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and for what it is, it's served me well

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but nvidia is the king of gpus for a reason

ocean spindle
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man

hidden ridge
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Hence they have no interest to give people satisfying options for low-end market because why would they do that when they can incentivize you to buy the "better value" product with an higher pricetag

silent delta
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they do it very well

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like hey this product is way better and its not that much more expensive

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feels like you're getting more bang for your buck

hidden ridge
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I know inflation is a thing but back in 2000s I'm pretty sure a 4060 would have been 200-250 tops

silent delta
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but like at the same time, it is substantially better and the price is not substantially higher

silent delta
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my rx 580? i got it for just shy of 300 bucks back in like

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2018-2019

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i could probably sell it for about $40 today

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(if it wasnt broken)

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but you get the point

molten nexus
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where's the lore?

livid stone
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i bought a 3050 for ~300 euro and sold it for 140 euro

digital mural
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Hllo

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What do You want to know

molten nexus
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in destiny the game tells you lore, you can watch yt videos on lore and all that

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mynameisbyfe head @$$

digital mural
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And some dialogue in later missions

molten nexus
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neet.

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I'll take a look when I'm not on a rundown

digital mural
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Our lore enciclopedia

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Her name is Frostty

soft crater
narrow niche
exotic veldt
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Can gtfo Xbox and gtfo pc play together

narrow niche
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gtfo xbox?

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what

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this game is not cross platform

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it is

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its on pc

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thats it

exotic veldt
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Omg

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Wait it’s not out

narrow niche
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i guess you can try playing it on steam deck?

exotic veldt
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I’m so stupid

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💀

tiny wyvern
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wut

narrow niche
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:/

tiny wyvern
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wut is going on

exotic veldt
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Rip mb

narrow niche
tiny wyvern
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I mean you could turn your xbox into a pc

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or was it the other way around

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I dont remember

narrow niche
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but

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why

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jailbreaking a console sounds insane

ocean spindle
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not a console term

neon gust
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i dont even think people know what an ipod is

narrow niche
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you can jailbreak windows

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its

neon gust
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modding you ps2 to have all your games

narrow niche
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just a term

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wdym

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lmao

desert marlin
neon gust
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like the hunt shodown perk

narrow niche
ocean spindle
arctic marten
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i love stamina

narrow niche
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that doesnt mean it cant apply to other things

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lmao

ocean spindle
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ifo has said "and" we will die now

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this is it chat

desert marlin
neon gust
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since the day i lost you

narrow niche
# ocean spindle ifo has said "and" we will die now

jail·break
/ˈjālˌbrāk/
noun
an escape from jail.
"he's on the run again after masterminding a spectacular jailbreak"

verb
modify (a smartphone or other electronic device) to remove restrictions imposed by the manufacturer or operator, e.g. to allow the installation of unauthorized software.
"in order to use these programs, iPhone owners have to jailbreak their device"

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does that say only ios devices?

arctic marten
#

you two make such a cute couple

neon gust
neon gust
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NOONE CARES BRO

narrow niche
neon gust
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ITS JUST A TERM

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GODDAM

narrow niche
#

:3

neon gust
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BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ocean spindle
#

terminate these nuts

narrow niche
neon gust
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SHUDEFUCKUP

narrow niche
#

owo

neon gust
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🤮

ocean spindle
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how bout u go to playing heavy smg

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main version

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best weapon ever

narrow niche
neon gust
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ok

narrow niche
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:3

past mesa
neon gust
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i mean

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ty

past mesa
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I can’t wait for your Dow videos

neon gust
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im so exited for dow

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not because of the game

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but i know its gonna be a fucking meme

tardy ingot
#

im interested in the way that it will probably be the first real heist game ill play

neon gust
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from all the people here

tardy ingot
#

the memes are gonna be there

past mesa
#

I wish everyone in GTFO would be stuck in purgatory

tardy ingot
#

and we are gonna cherish them

sturdy glen
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cant wait to spend $40 to laugh my ass off for the first day

past mesa
#

Where they all have to chat about gtfo

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With me forever

tardy ingot
#

i am gonna pray for a key LOL

neon gust
#

tru gonna moderate and give us all the power

civic wave
#

im just waiting for someone to make SFM lewds of den of wolves and suddenly the game blows up

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would be a funny timeline

tardy ingot
#

i dunno why theres a dow server ...

past mesa
tardy ingot
#

why not a 10C one for both games

past mesa
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Dow is gtfo 2

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Not because they want to because all melee attacks will just be invisible tongue hit boxes

neon gust
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gtfo 2 gonna release after den of wolves first massive expansion pack

digital mural
ocean spindle
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and also it would be kinda funny to have a server for a dev and not a game

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what if u don't like dow but gtfo

neon gust
sturdy glen
#

but we already have such a lively server here

past mesa
#

Dow is just built on top of gtfos code

tardy ingot
ocean spindle
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u exploit dow and import e2 into it

tardy ingot
#

theres roles for pings and all

neon gust
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i saw 18000 assets in the trailer

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i know my labs when i see it

ocean spindle
neon gust
past mesa
#

Striker in a mech suit

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Stricter in a mech suit

neon gust
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big shooter with a gun

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lmao

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big shooter with a combat shotty

digital mural
#

Shooter shooter?

sturdy glen
#

$5 DLC on day 1 for a choker for your char made from datasphere assets

ocean spindle
#

u could probably like stuck a gun into their hands, in their model
give them the sniper

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see them punch with it

civic wave
halcyon current
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Pre order bonus of baby backpack

past mesa
#

Do you think checkpoints will

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Be just as broken

tardy ingot
#

fuck checkpoints

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better level design is king

ocean spindle
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depends on if they build them from the start i guess

past mesa
#

Checkpoints are key to good level design

digital mural
past mesa
#

?

ocean spindle
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unless it is literally just gtfo 2

tardy ingot
ocean spindle
#

kdmskd

tardy ingot
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i think checkpoints can work with good level design

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but arent key to it

civic wave
past mesa
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I might need examples

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Ngl

neon gust
#

CHECKPOINTS ARE NOT GONNA BE IN DEN OF WOLVES DUE TO THE GAME BEEN SIMILAR TO PAYDAY

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sorry for screaming

tardy ingot
#

i think if gtfo had better level design (see r7d2) you can compare it far more to how games do "safe points"

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making a level clear a "safe point"

past mesa
#

r7d2 has a checkpoint tho

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the safe point is actually a checkpoint

tardy ingot
#

and i think it doesnt make the level better generally (tho its one of the less offensive ones)

ocean spindle
#

the safe point also isn't a safe point if u don't know the command stops the waves

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and u probs do it with a whole horde on top

past mesa
#

checkpoints are just good game design

tardy ingot
#

checkpoints so good in gtfo
make players experience so much better COPIUM

past mesa
#

Just because GTFO does checkpoints poorly

tardy ingot
#

they are funnily enough good if the level is designed well and then they are carefully placed

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gtfo also already has "checkpoints"

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the level clear

past mesa
#

Literally the levels with checkpoints tend to be better and more enjoyable to play

tardy ingot
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LOL

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imagine if gtfo required you to full clear

past mesa
tardy ingot
#

if you failed, back to A1

ocean spindle
#

i think it depends on the game and for example some levels of r8 work bad and good with checkpoints
like r8c2 does not fucking need a checkpoint there but the one in a2 sec it's kinda fine cause u only do a minimal part before sec

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oops not overlosd

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sec

halcyon current
past mesa
ocean spindle
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is it?

past mesa
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Huh

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What

tardy ingot
#

R8C2 is a PERFECT example

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cut the stupid beginning

halcyon current
tardy ingot
#

and you dont need that checkpoint

ocean spindle
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i think it's too early on the level and u mostly fail like 2 3 cells in, and u just lose everything anyway

tardy ingot
#

better level design = no checkpoint needed

past mesa
#

correct but in the game atm

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They just need to be shorter levels

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Correct

tardy ingot
#

yea

past mesa
#

Then you don’t need checkpoints

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Because the levels are themselves the checkpoints

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Crazy

tardy ingot
#

like what are good long levels that rly wouldnt need or want a checkpoint

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R6D3

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R8E2

ocean spindle
#

e2

past mesa
ocean spindle
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fuck

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i got it late

past mesa
#

Have a chance idk Eva

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R7c3 done at correct pace just has a chance to wipe things can just go wrong Even in the best of lobbies

tardy ingot
#

idk if you should say correct pace

past mesa
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you can 20 minute for the beginning

tardy ingot
#

when theres so much more time loss in easier runs. Why not play those slightly more hasty and then take the somewhat risky ones at a good pace

past mesa
#

Or 6

tardy ingot
#

wipes are always possible

past mesa
#

???? what do you mean a good any% tho

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?????

tardy ingot
#

well done as in no wipes

past mesa
#

??????

tardy ingot
#

?

past mesa
#

It is a 20 hour category ?

tardy ingot
#

aaaand?

past mesa
#

With insane wipe conditions

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Well done ?? Needs more wipes?

tardy ingot
#

yes d4rkevblank
id agree if wipes regularly happened on R5E1, R8E2 etc

tardy ingot
past mesa
#

I think your just wrong here

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Ngl

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I think the current any% is “well done” the only wipe that is sad is the r2d1 one

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but literally kinda cringe

tardy ingot
#

the potential time gain is still insane tbh

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even with moderate paces on the risky ones

past mesa
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Yeah

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but you also have to consider average rng

tardy ingot
#

obviously (fuck R3C1 and R2C2 btw)

past mesa
#

I think most of the levels can be done faster but a lot of them are very reasonable and respectable times the entire way down

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idk it isn’t an IL category

tardy ingot
#

IL?

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yea some runs are actually quite respectable

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i was hella impressed by the times for some when watching them

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then others are d4rkevblank

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tho that rly just comes from lack of practice

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and not lack of skill obviously

past mesa
#

? But it isn’t well done

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like idk

tardy ingot
#

like R6AX (easy exampel as we just ran it) is a 100% 2 minute time safe

13:30 is uber free with any rng and safe strats for example

tardy ingot
#

the any% is well done in its own context

a well done gtfo% in the context of not dying works well tho as "well done"

past mesa
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At the start

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Like a min?

tardy ingot
#

like 10 sec max

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also its the run im just watching

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well

past mesa
#

We got a what

tardy ingot
#

checking logs while watching cuz theres no booster scrolls once void stream dies

past mesa
#

15 min run?

tardy ingot
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15:33

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like its not bad for sure lol

past mesa
#

Time loss is just not being on scans?

tardy ingot
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i havent fully watched and compared

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i just know 13:30 is a quite average time while looting key zone

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you can actually sub 12 btw, but gl with scan rng...

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and key rng..

tardy ingot
past mesa
#

Yeah tbh not full sending every zone

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Is very safe

tardy ingot
#

scattergun

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just works

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and its so safe

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hel auto sentry carries 2nd alarm

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its rly just strats

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and everyone having roles

past mesa
#

K

tardy ingot
#

clearing out post first full room alarm is also a big time loss, but that can be actually safe strat (tho i think if you safe big door in giant zone you just close and mine that which is way faster)

past mesa
#

I think the you should just clear zones

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to be safe and not wipe ngl

tardy ingot
#

scattergun them

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i dont think we wiped a single time once we got the strat down

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and thats full send

past mesa
#

but you also

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Run that level

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Like 20 times in a row

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We have way through 10 hours need to not wipe

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and play fast

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One attempt

tardy ingot
#

its rly just knowing the strats

and ive already added 1 min time for 1. rng and 2. looting key zone to get the needed ress

past mesa
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Yeah but literally it isn’t just strats

tardy ingot
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thats why 13:30 is probably the aimed for time

past mesa
#

You can just wipe?

neon gust
#

jessie what the fuck are you talking about

tardy ingot
#

i think the chance of wiping in a 13:30 aim is like 0.1%

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its AX

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theres not a single point that can kill you aside from a random giant once you tp back

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(which has nearly happened)

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but even then youd need them all on top of that giant

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its just so safe

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the 2 parts i think you take minimally slower is the zone before blood door and looting said blood door key zone

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everything else you kinda just run the same with 2 scatters deleting any giants

past mesa
tardy ingot
#

2 more rundowns to verify...

minor fractal
#

It's just not that realistic.

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OoT 100% might never get that optimized tbh.

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Although I think some of that is routing issues.

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When I was a ZFG viewer that was a big issue, it's really hard to route for that category.

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But still, even on the existing routes, there is almost always time loss.

hidden ridge
#

What do you guys mean with "gtfo%"?

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all the game speedrunned with all sectors?

tardy ingot
tardy ingot
hidden ridge
tardy ingot
#

Yea

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The reason i think potential time save is still insane for gtfo% is that its currently being ran without much strat prepping

2 min of time save in R6AX is a good example

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excluding wipes its already close to sub 24 hours. And i think sub 24 is very achievable

hidden ridge
#

I want to ask a question since I've seen you guys wonder a lot about substitution and all the game and taking breaks and whatnot

tardy ingot
#

mhm

hidden ridge
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As someone who never speedrunned, this will perhaps be a useless suggestion, but have you considered ONLY doing, well, harsh levels? like all Es or all Ds and Es and whatnot

hardy grotto
#

I’ve toyed with the E tier gauntlet idea before

tardy ingot
#

E tier gaunlet (as beth just said) is a thing

hardy grotto
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Jish’s group were considering doing it at some point iirc

tardy ingot
#

tho sadly it has R8E1 kinda in it

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The gaunlet is cool honestly

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100% specifically

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its what a 3+ hour run?

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basically a rundown% of non r1/3

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Just a lot harder

hidden ridge
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Let's not mince words, the game has a lot of levels that are tbh just incredibly easy for people that know what they're doing anyway, so I feel you could cut away the issue of "takes a whole weekend and a half" by simply skipping shit like R1 or most of R2

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and whatnot

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R3D1 is (I assume) perhaps the most interesting level to do fast for speedrunning and that's the only one in R3

tardy ingot
hidden ridge
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You could trim a lot of levels and it'd be enjoyable and wouldn't require subs or breaks or whatnot

tardy ingot
#

you dont require subs anyway

Breaks will be required even if you just do say anything D and above

hidden ridge
tardy ingot
#

also (obviously this depends on the runner as ray/chill have said they dont enjoy most „easy“ levels as speedruns) quite a lot of runners enjoy a lot of early levels as speedruns

hidden ridge
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I mean, speedrunning doesn't have to deal with FIFA

tardy ingot
#

its legit either the full game category

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or not

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the only exception is kinda training… cuz uuh

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Adding that just doesnt work

hidden ridge
neon gust
#

GTFO + RONALDO colab????!!!!? confirmed???!?!?!?

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SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

digital mural
#

OMG Is that the profesional GTFO player, Black Dragon?

neon gust
tardy ingot
#

Like

if you do a full game speedrun you cant just skip parts of the full game

One could argue that „finishing the game“ doesnt mean beating every level. But in that context any% (100% would still require everything) would just be the fastest path to credits

in a fresh account thats R8A1 to E1

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which we already have as a category

Its R8 ALT STORY%

tardy ingot
hidden ridge
#

In any event, it'd perhaps be easier to do a "gauntlet" and see how that works, before trying to do full game?

tardy ingot
#

people have ran full game

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gaunlet is a different category as its own thing

Its just all E tiers

hidden ridge
#

like, did they take pauses? no sectors?

tardy ingot
#

any% (so only mains)

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1 run has been completed
1 had to be forfeit due to planning errors

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another is probably happening this weekend or so

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theres rn 2 pause types

  1. mini pauses (between levels, for restarts, toilet breaks etc)
  2. big break time. Starts with 20 hours and gains another 20 on top for every 20 hours spend not in break time
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the beaten run was 25+ hours long of ingame time and took ~31 hours of playtime

They took 1 big break iirc (to sleep and eat)

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the failed run was less planned and ended as bread had to leave

hidden ridge
#

Damn

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31 hours of playtime so what, 10 per day?

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I'm fucking the math up but that's grueling

tardy ingot
#

@past mesa did you take 1 or 2 breaks with nuggies i dont remember

past mesa
#

Only the sleep

hidden ridge
past mesa
#

16 hours pre day

hidden ridge
#

doing full game destroys sleep schedules I assume

past mesa
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Sleep then the next day

tardy ingot
#

The grind itself isnt very unusual for speedruns btw

past mesa
tardy ingot
#

its just taxing af

hidden ridge
tardy ingot
#

sleepo when they find out about 300+ hour speedruns

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💀

past mesa
#

R1-5 first day

hidden ridge
past mesa
#

R6-r8 the last

hidden ridge
#

But multiple days?

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That's torture

past mesa
#

Sleep deprivation

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Isn’t good for gtfo

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You start going much slower by the time your 15 hours into the run

tardy ingot
#

hence the breaks ye

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but even with the breaks

its taxing as hell to do 10 hour sessions

past mesa
#

Yup

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nuggies Ray and void made it fun tho

tardy ingot
#

Experienced runners (not gtfo based necessarily) get into a rythm

past mesa
tardy ingot
#

but the more focus you need to get good time (and gtfo has a bunch of variance) the harder it becomes

past mesa
#

Probs the best thing about the any%

tardy ingot
#

i heard of it

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but ill watch tmrw

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i just hit r7

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well

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maybe thursday

past mesa
#

we were one second slow on not needing the clutch

tardy ingot
#

i wanna try n stream tmrw

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not that jish ever says hi Sadge

tardy ingot
hidden ridge
past mesa
tardy ingot
#

But ye

For gtfo%

Gained Breaktime has been increased
Skip break is in talk (kinda…, its hard being the only rly active verifier rn lol)
Subs are basically off the table

tardy ingot
past mesa
#

We are also thinking about running 8 player r8e2 nighteare surge

tardy ingot
#

i start at like

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7-8am usually for you?

past mesa
#

Yeah

tardy ingot
tardy ingot
past mesa
#

We played 5 player and could only make it to first class 6 not stable

tardy ingot
#

i wanna go through all rundown% runs before doing gtfo%

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so i and other runners know the strats

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but i dunno if ill have enough time before september

#

i think R3C1 and R1C2 are currently the 2 missions where you do major concessions to not wipe

and well R3D1 you pull instead of doing the sprint through

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for r1/r3

past mesa
#

Yeah

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But there is a bunch of miner things you try to skip

tardy ingot
#

R2 will have a lot more changes just off of variance

B2 - safe play by shooting main room (fuck giants)
C1 - slow down before furthest uplink to play it clean
C2 - 116 rng
D1 and E1 you actually play correct to not wipe

past mesa
#

like getting Loot 100% in r1d1 not pushing r3d1 and things

tardy ingot
#

and well lots of strats are gonna be adjustet to play around 1 attempt runs while going as fast as possible still

#

i think running rundown% is the easiest way for every runner to know the optimal fast but safe way

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fuck R3C1 man

#

technically a possible sub 7 run

#

if only it wasnt shit

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also man im dreading r4e1 main

#

i havent ran that shit main only ever KEKW

#

that sounds like pain

past mesa
#

It isn’t that bad

#

just respect the zones and loot the ammo

#

you only need 6 uses to shoot everything

tardy ingot
molten nexus
#

how does the down mechanic work?

tardy ingot
#

hm?

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you go down. People can revive you

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if 4 players down = run is lost

molten nexus
#

is it 10 seconds to out or 10 seconds to self res?

tardy ingot
#

and yes jish i know theres technically an exception

tardy ingot
#

you never die unless full team dies and there is no self revive

molten nexus
#

cod zombies pistol hand?

tardy ingot
#

No

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you just kinda lie there

#

flashlight is all you can use

molten nexus
#

that's neat

civic wave
#

yea, you lie down, have a nice little look around if you want

tardy ingot
#

limited view angle

molten nexus
#

lol

hard nexus
#

technically u can still use voice lines

heady moat
#

Good luck if you get downed in spicy fog

cosmic lion
#

I love the ligma

#

(spicy fog)

plush bane
#

any advice for R1C1? my friends and I are stuck

digital mural
# plush bane any advice for R1C1? my friends and I are stuck

Captain America: puts foot on chair "So you are having trouble with R1C1"

a reactor is ultimately 3 parts,
1 Wave Defense
2 gathering resources in between
3 getting the code into the terminal in time
If you already know how R1C1's reactor works, then its just the first two things you need, and they can go hand in hand

the most popular place to defend for many reasons is the bridge tile. the hole in the wall at the south end is a great choke point where you can get angles and focus your sentries, the bridge itself is a perfect funnel if/as you fall back, and its only about a 30 second run to the reactor terminal.

when you start looting after the shooting, you have quite a lot of resources around you to spend as the code person runs out and runs back. and on longer warm up times for the later codes, you have enough time to run forward and loot in previous areas.

when giants spawn having someone with a good weapon for bigs like hel rifle is useful (especially for hybrids) as well as saving tool by only having 2 sentries down for most waves, saving it for later waves or the waves with Hybrids (4, 6, 8).

this is definitely a 3 sentry + 1 bio tracker level, and when you learn all sentries are not created equal.
Burst is the best all-arounder.
Sniper sentry thrives with bio tracking and the long sight lines on this level.
shot gun sentry is in the game
Autosentry is in the game.

if you have a bot, they are a boss with the biotracker so give them that, and if you have three bots god go with you.

hazy wedge
#

Is this legit a copypasta 💀

plush bane
#

wait fr?

digital mural
#

useful copypasta

#

its everything that you should know about R1C1

plush bane
#

thats hilarious

hazy wedge
#

We’ve gone so far where we needed an r1c1 copypasta yippee

digital mural
#

at least once a day

hazy wedge
#

What’s the issue tho you literally just shoot

digital mural
#

true

#

shooting is hard

hazy wedge
#

So real

digital mural
#

the reason why most people have problem is because r1c1 is the first level that requires a bit of a set up

#

and newbies usually suck at that