gtfo-related-questions

[turbid horizon]

Woods is the only tricky one

[ocean spindle]

or wait till someone joins

[turbid horizon]

Host migration be a bitch

if it even works

[ocean spindle]

:3

u dont loose anything by trying before dropping

[turbid horizon]

Slendi have you ever seen migration work?

[ocean spindle]

yes

many times tbh

[turbid horizon]

i seen it a bit

[ocean spindle]

i almost always end up as host

[turbid horizon]

Not much tho

[turbid horizon]

Lol

[ocean spindle]

usually sometimes yes it devolves us too much we're we just say nah
but other times it's kinda close

and as i host

no one has issues

geforce when hosting its really really good tbh

[vital drift]

Any tips for beginners?

[unreal gazelle]

experiment, see what you can get away with

scouts can be killed with a full charge from your melee weapon (front of head for hamer/spear, back of head for knife/bat)

enemies from alarms and scout waves spawn 2 rooms away (with very rare exceptions), so use that rule to plan for alarms and scout waves

and the terminal is useful, biggest uses are for finding resources and objective items

[vital drift]

Thank you!!!

Is it a good idea to clear rooms, or is it better to leave some of the sleepers alone?

[unreal gazelle]

clearing rooms is good because it means they're empty if you need to run back into them

but most the time it is a judgement call you will have to make

[vital drift]

Ok

[hidden ridge]

I've seen it work way more often than not

Just that it usually spelt the doom of the lobby anyway

Fun fact: You COULD use it to cheese reactors

Get code, then host leaves, migrates, code is the same so just put that in

[hard nexus]

r8b3 is weird with codes

we had a game where it was showing me a different letter from tuhos perspective neither of us were host

[ocean spindle]

i'm very very late but wanted to add
use all the weapons, all of em r usable and most of em r good, just take into account some are situational- the only weapon i would outright avoid would be the sniper
and enemies detect more when they glow, and this goes to killing others too- if you wanna kill one and see another one like 3 4 meters apart, make sure it isn't glowing when u go for the kill, as it could possibly wake up from a distance

[crisp salmon]

The GTFO wiki says the Lugubrious palette and the Destination palette are available for completing r6 main objectives, I have completed all of the main sectors, have the Spartacus helmet, and the R6 apparel requisition says its complete. What do I actually need to do to get these palettes?

[digital mural]

ALT R6 and OG R6 are different things

im pretty sure that was from OG R6

[unreal gazelle]

yes, it says Rundown 6 not ALT:// Rundown 6

there is a big difference between them

[crisp salmon]

so they're unobtainable now?

[unreal gazelle]

the apparel is listed from date of addition in the game, so og r6 apparel shows before current apparel

[unreal gazelle]

yes but there are mods that let you wear any locked cosmetics

[crisp salmon]

I am considering doing that, but I am missing a lot of cosmetics I want from completing the rest of the game, and I don't want to spoil it

[unreal gazelle]

at the end of the day cosmetics are the least important thing in this game

[digital mural]

you cant even see them yourself ingame

its a 1st person game after all

[topaz anvil]

I would say having distinct colours to the rest of your team helps identify you but that only matters if you have player info disabled

[crisp salmon]

the progression of unlocking more and more cosmetics to make the perfect looking prisoner, in a game where everything practical is available at the start, is an experience that I know me and my friends really value. I wish these palettes were not time gated

[ocean spindle]

i can see my arms n legs

[tiny wyvern]

Or the lack of arm and leg

[ocean spindle]

so true

[keen pivot]

How do you leave as host without dragging everyone back to lobby for migration? Do you just alt f4 and restart game

[jagged shore]

pretty much
i think exit expedition might but not certain

[fierce walrus]

kinda late but - exit expedition will have host just leave the lobby and (usually) make host migration work. If you alt f4 chances are the game will shit itself and the lobby will break

[keen pivot]

Yeah im just asking not playing atm haha, tyty

[grizzled patrol]

Usually reaching a Checkpoint helps, leaving as a Host will reset to the Checkpoint instead of the beginning. If you have played that Mission for a while now, the Rollback will still Happen, but Not to the very beginning. Usually 10-20 minutes back

[wild flare]

can mines blow mother tumors?

if i place few in staircase, leading to room with Nframe on r3d1, will she just die from those?

[narrow niche]

i mean yea

but

[tardy ingot]

can, yes
will, unlikely

mining mom rly isnt advised

Either focus on easily killing her with a gun good for that

or focus on killing babies well and whittling her down

[wild flare]

its just i have like 1 minute,until mother enter in room with nframe, so i thought about just mining staircase and blow her up without spending resources on direct fight

[tardy ingot]

using mines is less efficient on ressources than ammo

[wild flare]

btw, if she trigger mine, she will not spawn childrens? according to video guide, mother do birth attack only if someone in her line of sight

[tardy ingot]

she needs line of sight yes

anyway

Dont use mines for thaz

[lone mortar]

Bread back at gtfo?

Noway

[tardy ingot]

its unreliable (pretty rng)
less efficient (8 mines is 4-5 tool refills, vs 1 ammo refill)
And it stops you from improving (while also being less fun)

[lone mortar]

No fockin way

[tardy ingot]

kaiser bruh

wtf

[unreal gazelle]

do not ping random message for unrelated stuff

[lone mortar]

I cant believe it

[unreal gazelle]

it is not very courteous

[wild flare]

so far i have no problems dealing vs mother, she is just annoying to chase

[lone mortar]

And yet idc

[unreal gazelle]

talk about it elsewhere, besides bread has played here and there

[lone mortar]

Oh i get it

[wild flare]

btw, bots included?

[tardy ingot]

Yes

[lone mortar]

Sorry “modderator” of this chat

[wild flare]

ok, thx

[lone mortar]

5 more days

[unreal gazelle]

what the hell are even saying

[wild flare]

also, can bots reliably kill mother tumors? or they just waste ammo trying to shoot her in other parts of body?

[lone mortar]

They would likely mele her

[unreal gazelle]

i believe they can shoot tumours but i am not sure of the specifics

[wild flare]

but they will focus childrens first?

[unreal gazelle]

you will do most of the shooting yourself, I think

[wild flare]

or random target priority

[unreal gazelle]

i am not sure, sorry

with boss enemies you will have to do most of the work anyway

[lone mortar]

They shoot the babies but if theyre too close to mom

They mele both

[wild flare]

okay

[lone mortar]

Close (you and the bots are 3m away from the mom)

[narrow niche]

its just kaiser, nothing makes sense

[keen seal]

REAL

[unreal gazelle]

goat knows already, but still expected a positive amount of decorum

[lone mortar]

Its just me huh

Man if only ppl see my stats on HD2

[unreal gazelle]

stats do not change personality or let you follow conversational convention

[lone mortar]

[hard nexus]

Fallout says otherwise

[soft crater]

I wish they kept certain characters that would speak gibberish if your int was too high. but then would speak clearly if it was low.

[narrow niche]

[keen pivot]

i see ppl tapping crouch while sprinting, my guess is min maxing stamina but how do you do it ?

[unreal gazelle]

it is exactly how it looks

you just run forward and crouch and uncrouch intermittently

[keen pivot]

i tried abit but it also cancel sprint after i tap crouch

🤔

i was confused

[unreal gazelle]

then you are crouching for too long

or you need to hold sprint again/toggle sprint again

i am not exactly sure how it works with toggle sprint, i use hold sprint

[keen pivot]

yeah im using toggle sprint cuz i hold sprint for years killing my pinky x.x

[narrow niche]

toggle sprint goes crazy

[keen pivot]

im getting old cant hold sprint for long like when i was in my 20 anymore

[narrow niche]

hmmm

[keen pivot]

i also have problem with wearing headset for too long, tinnitus gonna trigger alot so i mainly on speaker until i play fps game that require vc or directional sound like gtfo

[fossil jacinth]

toggle sprint you sprint > crouch button > sprint button, I don't remember having to untoggle crouch but you do have to reactivate sprint

[tardy ingot]

toggle sprint just seems so much worse at all times in this game

Considering that you rarely rly perma sprint :|

[foggy harness]

So invisible guys can’t be shot by sentries if they aren’t bioscanned? Or maybe my turret ran out of ammo

[unreal gazelle]

they cannot shoot unpinged shadows, yes

[hardy grotto]

toggle sprint goes crazy for the heroic heart hammer kiter

[topaz anvil]

Toggle sprint

[ocean spindle]

toggle sprint yucky

toggle crouch based anf gtfopilled

[soft crater]

Where is my auto run forward toggle

[topaz anvil]

toggle crouch 🤮

[ocean spindle]

:[

[topaz anvil]

I'm sorry but its facts

[turbid horizon]

what

you…use normal crouch?

[topaz anvil]

Yes

[turbid horizon]

what

in a stealth game??

[topaz anvil]

Whats the problem here? You aren't crouched for very long at a time, and even if you were I can easily do it for ages without discomfort

[tardy ingot]

[turbid horizon]

you are the first person I’ve talked to on this server that uses not toggle crouch that I know of

[tardy ingot]

theres a few

honestly i think toggle sprint is worse than hold crouch tho

Imagine

[topaz anvil]

Next you are gonna say you have motion blur turned off

[turbid horizon]

yes that’s worse

[tardy ingot]

Someone playing toggle sprint AND hold crouch

[turbid horizon]

i think I still have it on

[tardy ingot]

Yes
And fov turned up

Like normal people

[turbid horizon]

most people hate motion blur

[topaz anvil]

fisheye mf

[turbid horizon]

I don’t mind it

[tardy ingot]

i can enjoy minor motion blur if it does smth for the experience

[turbid horizon]

Fov gets on my nerves if it’s too low

Unless it’s a small screen

[tardy ingot]

I dont play max

I enjoy having a field of view closer to irl

[ocean spindle]

ok u dont like killing any enemies moving to the sides

noted

[tardy ingot]

Quad likes tunnel vision

[topaz anvil]

Motion blur is a camera thing, not the enemies moving 💀

[tardy ingot]

they meant fov tho?

Ah the tag

slendi

[ocean spindle]

i dont think no one got me there ksmdkm

like

moving ur mouse to flicker an enemy smh qwq

not just seeing an enemy moving to a side

[topaz anvil]

My full list of settings are:
Toggle Crouch off
Toggle Sprint off
Toggle Aim off
Inertial 100%
Camera shake 100%
Motion Blur 50%
FOV 55
Bloom on

:D

[digital mural]

fov 55

man

[ocean spindle]

omg

[digital mural]

cringe

[ocean spindle]

TOGGLE AIM OFF??

[turbid horizon]

fov 55 ._.

[ocean spindle]

i hate u people

[turbid horizon]

what

[ocean spindle]

smh

[turbid horizon]

you use toggle aim?????

[digital mural]

thats normal

[ocean spindle]

YES?

[tardy ingot]

Quad when he sees my short about settings in the future

I litteraly talk about changing inertia, camera shake, fov

[turbid horizon]

hello

[ocean spindle]

:[

[digital mural]

what the fuck slendi

[turbid horizon]

Slendi i thought you were based

[digital mural]

now im seriously going to turn you into a table

[ocean spindle]

now we discussing the aim when its of course so much better to clic one right click instead of pressing two buttons

smhsmh

my head

[digital mural]

SLENDI

[turbid horizon]

YOU HAVE 5 FINGERS

FOR A REASON

[digital mural]

actually

we have 20

[ocean spindle]

I DONT NEED TO USE 5 AT THE SAME TIME

[digital mural]

🤓

[ocean spindle]

AND NOT TWO FOR AIMING

[turbid horizon]

ok use 5 then

[ocean spindle]

unless u flicker a ton or do the sniper shots thing where u click a milisecond to hit the shot

toggle

its better

[digital mural]

SO FOR WHAT ARE YOU USING THE OTHER 4 FINGERS

IF YOU ARE ONLY USING 1 TO SHOOT

[ocean spindle]

they relax

they dont get strained

:]

[tardy ingot]

since it slows you down you are wasting movement for MORE clicks

[topaz anvil]

2 for sideways stabilisation, 1 rest, 2 for buttons

[digital mural]

fair enough

[ocean spindle]

how much u think i aim in n out smh

[tardy ingot]

like you cant argue for hold crouch and toggle aim quad

[ocean spindle]

:[

[digital mural]

thats the thing
you dont aim

[ocean spindle]

just hipfire

hipfire sniper

[topaz anvil]

how else are you meant to slide cancel

[tardy ingot]

by having a hand

[ocean spindle]

u click twice wdym

[topaz anvil]

bruh would click twice rather than once briefly

[turbid horizon]

pinky for mouse movement, index and ring for clicks, middle for scrolling, and thumb for movement and also side keys

[ocean spindle]

it gets u into a rhytm even better

[tardy ingot]

i know im fucked in how i do it

[ocean spindle]

click click, click click

[tardy ingot]

I press shift with my thumb

[turbid horizon]

Says the crouch toggler

wait

[tardy ingot]

while slide sprinting

[turbid horizon]

:3

[tardy ingot]

(Only then)

[ocean spindle]

WUH HOWW

[turbid horizon]

I’m stupid

[tardy ingot]

Big and flexible hand

[digital mural]

same

[ocean spindle]

HOW DO U DO THAT

SMH

[tardy ingot]

Theres a fucking clip of me saying that

[digital mural]

BY DOING IT

[ocean spindle]

WELL DONT

[digital mural]

SAYS YOU

TOGGLE AIM

[turbid horizon]

Ok mumbo jumbo

[ocean spindle]

OK MR THUMB TO SPRINT

[topaz anvil]

MUMBO JUMBO LMAOOOO

[tardy ingot]

not sprint

miss typed

[ocean spindle]

oh

[tardy ingot]

crouch

[turbid horizon]

Ctrl

Yeah

[ocean spindle]

much normal

[tardy ingot]

so slide

[ocean spindle]

yes

[turbid horizon]

I do that too

[ocean spindle]

i do that

[turbid horizon]

I have big ass hands

[digital mural]

hand reveal

[ocean spindle]

SEE PABLEX NO ONE DOES IT

EXCEPT U

[tardy ingot]

Wasd is done with ring to index

[turbid horizon]

it’s like 9 inches from base of hand to tip of fingy

[tardy ingot]

sprint with pinky

[digital mural]

btw guys
i need a team for R7C3 PE 8 player

[turbid horizon]

big hand keystrokes go brrr

[digital mural]

so dak can do it again

[tardy ingot]

Slide with thumb (also jump)

[ocean spindle]

yes :]

[turbid horizon]

yeah i do that

I need to rebind crouch to alt

[ocean spindle]

normal common people doing normal things

[turbid horizon]

So i can reach it easier

[digital mural]

you are not normal and you dont do normal things either

[turbid horizon]

Well actually

[ocean spindle]

says u

[topaz anvil]

Do people not use the tip of their pinky for sprint and the base of their pinky for sliding?

[digital mural]

no
YOU

[ocean spindle]

U

[digital mural]

YOU

[turbid horizon]

I use the tip for both

[digital mural]

sits on you

[ocean spindle]

:[

[topaz anvil]

I use the tip for crouching

but base for sliding

[ocean spindle]

h how wtf

[tardy ingot]

Tip of thumb for slide, base for jump

[turbid horizon]

I use ring for a, middle for w and s, and index for d

[turbid horizon]

wat

[topaz anvil]

Whats your jump key

[ocean spindle]

idk the names of the fingers in english :3

[tardy ingot]

Space

Lol

[topaz anvil]

IF you can reach it then fair enough

[digital mural]

thumb is the fat one

[tardy ingot]

easily ye

[digital mural]

uuuuuh

[ocean spindle]

_>

[digital mural]

pinky is the small one?

[topaz anvil]

The fingers:
Thumb
Index
Middle
Ring
Pinky

[digital mural]

ring is the bad finger

[turbid horizon]

elden ring reference

[ocean spindle]

ring is the stinky one

noteds

[digital mural]

wait no

[hardy grotto]

foul tarnished

[digital mural]

i dont know english

[ocean spindle]

oh

hehe dak

[tardy ingot]

Referencing soulslikes?
Wheres the gtfo chat police

[ocean spindle]

u got a surprise in the mod thing

:3

i didnt know that word was blocked

[hardy grotto]

people care about that?

[frail heart]

guys im in snooze level pls give entertainment

[digital mural]

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[tardy ingot]

i remember voxy memeing about that

[ocean spindle]

do u toggle crouch/sprint

[hardy grotto]

oh

[tardy ingot]

Which?

[hardy grotto]

i thought there was a time where someone actually got upset abt that or smth

[frail heart]

r6c3

MAIN ONLY

[tardy ingot]

still?

[ocean spindle]

AAAAA

[tardy ingot]

i thought you guys were done

[frail heart]

bread threw

[tardy ingot]

NO WAX

WAY*

You guys

Died

[frail heart]

16 mins in went into bulkhead

softlocked

[tardy ingot]

on r6c3 main??

[hardy grotto]

he soft locked

[tardy ingot]

Softlocked?

[ocean spindle]

ohhh

u can?

on c3?

[frail heart]

like slipped under bulkhead

[ocean spindle]

lmao what

[tardy ingot]

ah if its an actual softlock then time is forfeit so it doesnt matter

[ocean spindle]

is there a clip

[turbid horizon]

in search of the matter wave thing

[ocean spindle]

i wanna see a clip

[frail heart]

yeah but like he did it

idk

maybe it isnt

[hardy grotto]

emboldened by the flame of schaeffer

[past mesa]

bread

soft locked

himself

like

[sturdy glen]

it was a clip into bulkhead

[past mesa]

jumped into it

[tardy ingot]

did he set out to do it

or did it happen accidentally

[ocean spindle]

me when i decide to goto d3 instead

[hardy grotto]

i assume he set out to clip into bulkhead

so yes?

[tardy ingot]

hm

[minor fractal]

It's not, like...

a stuck spot

[tardy ingot]

hm?

[frail heart]

accident

[past mesa]

he jumped into

it

because

it was around

he was brain off

dead

[turbid horizon]

someone must extinguish thy run

i’ve been playing a lot of elden ring recently

[topaz anvil]

Remind me to play Elden ring some day

[tardy ingot]

if its an accident and hes actually stuck/soft locked

then it very likely falls under accidentall gamebreaking issue and time gets ignored of the restart.
Especially since its r6c3 which is basically static time wise

But

[hardy grotto]

play elden ring some day

[topaz anvil]

ty

[tardy ingot]

we will have to check and verify

[tardy ingot]

true

[turbid horizon]

made a sorcerer that looks like megamind

[tardy ingot]

man

[hardy grotto]

i should pick it up again so i can remove my rust for the dlc

[turbid horizon]

Do it

[tardy ingot]

i want a bloodborne version that isnt ps4 based

Best game imo

[topaz anvil]

Maybe one day

[turbid horizon]

I discovered gavel and cannon of Haima the other day and I’m addicted

The bonk hammer

elden ring 8p when

[ocean spindle]

ur gonna end up eating food for 8 people cause 8p reference

sleeping 8 hours cause 8p reference

walking 8 coopers cause 8p reference

[turbid horizon]

slendi no

well

That last one

Sure

I’ll take 8 coopers

[ocean spindle]

would b cool :3

[topaz anvil]

y'all ever sneeze so hard you are thrown forward

[narrow niche]

are you ok?

[ocean spindle]

i scream when i sneeze so yes

[narrow niche]

are any of you ok?

[topaz anvil]

I listen to sus asmr, I can never be ok

[ocean spindle]

oh

[topaz anvil]

glad im not alone :D

[turbid horizon]

He must screm

[ocean spindle]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-

[topaz anvil]

Divination or Archeology

[arctic olive]

does more bots mean stronger or more enimies?

[digital mural]

no

enemies in the levels stay the same

[arctic olive]

🫵

👍

[digital mural]

[rare pike]

sorry but more of a mod question
is the hikari core (required for a couple mods i like, client sided and not exploitative) able to be used w others?

[topaz anvil]

the modding server would be able to answer that

[rare pike]

alright, ty

sorry :3

[unreal gazelle]

i believe it is fine to use and shouldn't do anything

[topaz anvil]

nw im just stupid and cant answer it myself :D

[rare pike]

alr ill double check, its for a ping mod

[topaz anvil]

o

I couldn't get it to work

[ocean spindle]

a

[topaz anvil]

but thats probably because I wasnt host

[unreal gazelle]

nooooooooooo, one of the 2 worst mods in the game alongside chatter

[rare pike]

i meant game ping

[unreal gazelle]

ah

[topaz anvil]

Ye ik

[hidden ridge]

Crazy how something like that isn't part of the base game tbh

Vote me as Gaming Inspector and I'll make it a requirement for every game to have both FPS and PING on display (toggle option)

[topaz anvil]

no

[ocean spindle]

no

[rare pike]

im sold

[ocean spindle]

me when i have the ping in the binding of isaac

[hidden ridge]

I'll also ban weird measurements like JUGS, FEET, YARDS or things like that

[rare pike]

also betterbots

for solo only

[unreal gazelle]

hm that mod is very funny, if you turn on the aimbot for bots then they carry every level in the game

[rare pike]

not doin that

[unreal gazelle]

i am too lazy to install many mods

[topaz anvil]

I install cconsole only

[ocean spindle]

guys the reactor is 7 snatchers away what dont u get

[rare pike]

its 7 scout feelers away

[unreal gazelle]

i have cconsole profile, regular profile, and not much else

[hidden ridge]

I simply dont think I'd have much fun with anything that's not a custom rundown and custom rundowns would perhaps be best played with a static

I also have seen some of them have... weird stuff

[rare pike]

i just have game ping and bioscan fix

[unreal gazelle]

i have uhh kick mod, modlist, nickname mod, damage indicator and that is it

other than the dependencies

[rare pike]

fair

[hidden ridge]

I'd get kick mod but I would abuse it eventually and get banned for it

[topaz anvil]

also grab NoDoorCheese :D

[unreal gazelle]

nobody would have the gall to doorbug in a goat lobby

[hidden ridge]

I'd rather tell people not to do that or I quit tbh

I already imagine someone trying that on all the doors and wonder why it ain't working

[rare pike]

i wondered how goat kicked that exploiter

[hidden ridge]

And I'd have to spill the beans anyway

[unreal gazelle]

exploiter is the wrong word to use for that

there were no exploits there, only cheats

[rare pike]

ok cheater

[hidden ridge]

what did I lose?

Endless magazines? Immortality?

Usain Bolt as a prisoner?

[unreal gazelle]

well

it was a mix of resource cheats (+50% from resource packs), some kind of invulnerability and autoaim too probably

[hidden ridge]

heh

[unreal gazelle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFDJXCasI24 i still do not particularly understand this even if it is not the most damning thing

[hidden ridge]

aimbotting is the scummiest shit

lel

[topaz anvil]

how desperate are you to get your clear like 💀

[unreal gazelle]

it's sad when i go to play the game but spend half the time looking at a cheater instead to figure out what they're doing

[hidden ridge]

Yeah I've seen a guy once hit everything on thick fog with special rev

12 shots, 12 kills (I had bio on and tried not to even ping to see if he was just good at guessing the head from the position of the triangle)

[unreal gazelle]

zzzzz

[rare pike]

wake up

[unreal gazelle]

cheaters have no integrity

[hidden ridge]

I'd tell you a story

[craggy pier]

ok

[hidden ridge]

Actually let me do that in DM, it's better

[craggy pier]

ya

[unreal gazelle]

oooh

[craggy pier]

+1

[narrow niche]

crazyyy

[topaz anvil]

I'm coping so hard rn

[narrow niche]

what happened

[topaz anvil]

im losing in hearthstone

[hidden ridge]

damn forgot about that game

[topaz anvil]

Im pulling it back

[hidden ridge]

I learned Nerglish thanks to that

[topaz anvil]

My board is too full help

My board doesn't know what it wants to be

[hidden ridge]

Whatever it desires

[topaz anvil]

dead is the answer D:

[topaz anvil]

Shudderwock boutta steamroll my ass

[tiny wyvern]

Frosty's still going at it with Void aren't they?

[topaz anvil]

ye

[tiny wyvern]

21 hours and counting

At this rate, when the actual streamthon is here

They'll have it done within a day

[frail heart]

we are goated

[digital mural]

say gex

[unreal gazelle]

no goats were consulted for this statement

[hard nexus]

How bro

Oh sorry not shudderblock

Understandable

[topaz anvil]

Allow me to show you

[hard nexus]

I misread

If it's wild then sure

If it's the standard one it's not played

There was a guy who was trying to rock paper scissor me with shudderblock

He died turn 6

[topaz anvil]

It was battlegrounds

[ocean spindle]

do u think sleepers can detect where u are so well cause they are very very used to their surroundings and by pure noise know what routes are open and where did you run to

[hard nexus]

Ahhhh

I need to remember u only play that

I just don't treat it as a format that matters anyhow whatsoever

Not anymore

[hard nexus]

I mean if we can remember the tiles why can't they

[ocean spindle]

they been longer there than us

[hard nexus]

Yeah

[topaz anvil]

The problem with getting into normal hearthstone these days as a new player is it's expensive and not very rewarding. It's not very enticing to play knowing I've missed out on so much content since launch and i have to play god knows how many games to buy some packs or shill out to blizzard 🤮

[hard nexus]

I quit for like 2 years

Then I switched to Americas server because they gave free decks to "returning" players and they still do that

You can easily farm with that

You have l take

[topaz anvil]

I have plenty of cards don't get me wrong, but now i also have to decipher what makes any of those cards good thanks to power creep

[hard nexus]

Always has been a net decking game don't have to decipher cards, rather the game play of other decks to be prepared

I play 5k dust deck without legendaries with only epic from core set

And it's fun

[topaz anvil]

I don't even know what constitutes the core set

In my defence I've never been good at any card games

[hard nexus]

Okay grandpa imagine basic set buy they revamp it every year or so

[topaz anvil]

So i don't trust myself to build comps

I can barely play StS without griefing myself

[hard nexus]

Last year we had brann in fucking core set

You're lucky you haven't been there then

[topaz anvil]

Me when the Brann 😔

I'd love to play brann more in bg but i never find any damn battlecrys

I think the biggest kick in the balls is having to either play my ass off for like a month or spend £20 for a single adventure

When there's like 8 I'd have to purchase to own the full set

[reef geyser]

can hel gun kill scout ?

[frail heart]

yes to the back of the head

[past mesa]

yes

[past mesa]

or if you shoot it fast enough

[frail heart]

yeah

[reef geyser]

so can hel sniper instant kill a normal sleeper with body shot ?

[tardy ingot]

Hel rifle?
Yep

[narrow niche]

hel sniper

new weapon

makes sniper good

[reef geyser]

how effective does the c foam in r4c2 ?

[narrow niche]

oh god

that leevl

[reef geyser]

bio scan speed also effect team scan right ?

[keen pivot]

Bio scan speed is the ones on the floor that you do when you open security door

Tracker cpu speed is for bio tracker

[hidden ridge]

The main difficulty in R4C2 is the end of overload (and the surges), foam is fine there

[reef geyser]

can trip mine radius be able to increase ?

[tiny wyvern]

No

[reef geyser]

is hel sniper rilfe better the koning sniper

and of all the secondary shot gun which have the decent range ?

[tiny wyvern]

Define 'decent range'.
Every weapon in this game has a sort of function, so 'decent range' can mean a lot of things

[reef geyser]

good enough range to deal shooter and hybrid

and chicken

[tiny wyvern]

Are you comfortable with being up in something's face?

[reef geyser]

striker fine but shooter need some range

[tiny wyvern]

Well you might just want to take a shotgun you like and stick with it then
Just be decently close to them and take the shot, you should be fine
For big things just be outside melee range and get staggers in

If for some reason you need to snipe something with a shotgun at medium range, the choke shotgun or the shotgun should do

[reef geyser]

the buckland shotgun ?

[tiny wyvern]

The S870

[reef geyser]

yeah that the buckland

[tardy ingot]

sniper is pretty bad
hel rifle is pretty good

[tardy ingot]

choke mod has great range
but it trades this range for lower magazine size

[reef geyser]

oh yeah i haev a booster that increase tripmine dmg by 50% , is it strong enough for hybrid ?

[narrow niche]

no

[grizzled patrol]

Theoretically? Yes, If you place it at the head Level. But its incredibly inconsistent

[reef geyser]

so between the heavy assault rifle and machine veruta XII what the different use for ?

[grizzled patrol]

If you want to Tap fire, heavy assault. If you need to Spam a chockepoint and you dont Care If you Hit Heads or Not, Veruta

[reef geyser]

can hel rifle kill a giant with headshot, if not then how low of health does it go down

[tardy ingot]

no
Hitting a giants hit barely does any bonus damage with hel rifle
it does 30 dmg. Giants have 120 health. A headshot does ~33 dmg

you just want to body shot 4 times (if you have multiple giants just line them up)

[proper storm]

is there any website or video or place where you can check breakpoints ?

[tardy ingot]

there are spreadsheets
you can technically check via the wiki

[proper storm]

alright, thanks!

i figured i'd have to do the math myself but you never know lol

[tardy ingot]

what math are you exactly looking for?

or rather what breakpoints?

[proper storm]

mostly general ones as i'm getting back into the game

[tardy ingot]

general ones

[proper storm]

but i can check that on the wiki i suppose

i meant enemy health!

sorry

[tardy ingot]

ah

nothing has rly changed since ever

[proper storm]

also i assume enemy types always have the same hp no matter what rundown or misson you do yeah ?

[tardy ingot]

yep

[proper storm]

just making sure, thanks

[proper storm]

gotcha!

[grizzled patrol]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12NK4Q3oNjR8Gs57GWc2YXlUMiIXQmdeRlNPJLwGtk1U/edit#gid=0

its slightly outdated, since burst pistol got a damage buff and a few of weapons got ammo balance changes, but its still mostly accurate

[proper storm]

oh wow

pretty numbers and pretty colors

thanks man i appreciate it!

[unreal gazelle]

this spreadsheet should be up to date so i would use this one instead https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CC_lsObUbvp7FrGt-MtQrcFvKQGsQ1FRLxIsREG6tu0/edit#gid=1423346086

[proper storm]

thank you!

[sullen bronze]

Guys, does anyone have weekly code for r8a2?

[grizzled patrol]

https://aurirex.github.io/A2Password/#up

[sullen bronze]

Thank you

[lone mortar]

WHO?

[grizzled patrol]

asked

[lone mortar]

My point exactly

[nova needle]

does host pc specs matter for hosting a lobby?

[ocean spindle]

dont think so no
u just gotta have good connection n stuff

[nova needle]

thanks

[hidden ridge]

If host is stuttering on shit FPS then it should also send packets like shit

So basically if they CAN run the game decently then no, it doesn't matter

Connection is much more of an issue at that point

[nova needle]

this game uses p2p?

[hidden ridge]

yes

Whoever hosts the lobby is the... well, host

everyone else is client

generally, in the lobby, pink (leftmost player) is the host

Everyone else connects to them

[nova needle]

thanks

[unreal gazelle]

host's PC being bad can do funny things like make the enemies process slower

sometimes my PC freezes for a few seconds when i host and the entire lobby feels it

[topaz anvil]

Before i fixed it, if i tabbed out into runescape, gtfo would lag, and if i was in gtfo, runescape would freeze and crash

[grizzled patrol]

you can fry your pc if you use certain strats, but they are rather obscure

[rare pike]

more lore related, but does the santonian industries email actually reply

[ocean spindle]

nope

i tried sending a couple butt it doesn't do anything

[rare pike]

alright

[digital mural]

what did you sent

[rare pike]

when does gtfo 2 drop

[ocean spindle]

santonian doesn't want us :[

[digital mural]

2069

[ocean spindle]

one like asking about materials trying to be in lore
and the other just a random one i think dkmskd

[digital mural]

random

hmmmm

sus

[ocean spindle]

:3

[digital mural]

hey Slendi

have you played a modded rundown yet?

[rare pike]

oh also whil;e im thinkin abt it how do i access logs on the santonian page

[ocean spindle]

:[

[rare pike]

it dont work

[frail heart]

do gtfo% 100% speedrun then i drop when i go to sweden

[digital mural]

zone randomizer mod is really interesting

[ocean spindle]

lil weird
u list the archives, then cd one [?] i think
then list again and read em

[rare pike]

one of the only times i dont feel jealous for watching smone do a dev meetup

that sounds like torture

[rare pike]

o ok

[ocean spindle]

it's lil funky wunky

[frail heart]

na

they're cool

[rare pike]

seriously tho, hope u have fun

[past mesa]

it was fun

[rare pike]

i dont mean devs are bad i mean that 96 hours of gtfo sounds scary

i can barely manage 2

[tardy ingot]

they dont do 96 in a row

They probably have segments and breaks and sleep

[past mesa]

and they have

like 8 players

[tardy ingot]

Also @frail heart any% first before 100%

[tardy ingot]

Probably waaaay more

[frail heart]

eat my ass

im ready for korra

[tardy ingot]

Considering devs consist of a lot

[rare pike]

nope

not allowed

banned

[past mesa]

if we had 12 players

[tardy ingot]

Im back on thursday

[frail heart]

[past mesa]

we are clearing

6 players we clear last night

[tardy ingot]

Theres lots of things that wouldve made it a clear

We gotta discuss it more

[frail heart]

eva

[tardy ingot]

but im currently of the opinion

[frail heart]

i have a solution for breaks btw

[rare pike]

lets divert the plane to like the arctic and say santonian industries is secretly there

[tardy ingot]

Yes frosty?

that any% gets 2 10 hour
100% 3(?)

[frail heart]

Just have it so you can break whenever BUT there is a max period of time between when you run

so like when you stop to break, you have to keep going within 24 hours or smth

[tardy ingot]

Issue with unlimited is that it has to be short

otherwise you could use them whenever to grind a hard level on fast

[frail heart]

tbh it should just be streamed

[tardy ingot]

from watching you guys. 2 smartly placed 10 hour ones are massive

[rare pike]

IS IT NOT?

[tardy ingot]

just isnt reliable

[frail heart]

one person has to stream

its a thing for other games

[rare pike]

sad...

[frail heart]

its a niche category that hardcore people do

its not a bad rule for the category

also

600gb recording

[tardy ingot]

[rare pike]

make sure to get that hidden gtfo lore from the devs frosty

[tardy ingot]

is it? what ones

[frail heart]

off the top of my head Borderlands 2

for 1 life

possibly for other categories

[topaz anvil]

just record in 480p

[frail heart]

its not a bad rule

[rare pike]

do the streamathon but if you die ingame you get put in a hsu irl

[frail heart]

especially for this category

no one is running this for a long while

[rare pike]

i can already hear the low quality thefatrat royalty free music

[topaz anvil]

I'm faded...

[frail heart]

So lost

IM FADED

[rare pike]

record in 143p

make it look like a powerpoint slideshow too

[topaz anvil]

[frail heart]

143p

insane

[rare pike]

a gtfo bodycam type mod would be cool

if that doesnt exist

[topaz anvil]

[ashen frigate]

A few more.

[solar portal]

is the bullpup reload cancel really slower than normal reload?

[tardy ingot]

Thats because it pretty much isnt a thing

Then again, imagine bullpup

[keen pivot]

i love bullpup's sfx

fun to spray

[digital mural]

i love the scope

[tardy ingot]

Team. How long of a level is r1a1 (with prior knowledge)

[civic wave]

Well if you're an experienced team it shouldn't take longer than 10 minutes

Unless you wander off to full clear zones for some reason, but you can even do that in 10 mins

A casual solo run for me is normally <12mins

[tardy ingot]

Close enough

i dunno why but today marks the 4th time someone has told me that even for experienced players its a 20-25 min mission

i told them about a casual crouch run taking 10 minutes max

but they insisted

[civic wave]

Poor lost souls

[native sun]

The 'normal reload' is slower than intended due to a bug, in this case, the reload is longer than both the actual reload as well as the intended reload.

[hidden ridge]

I think I can clear that in less than 9mins with 3 bots if I dont give a shit and get the key to spawn in the farthest room possible

With better RNG I've no idea. I found key on the right corridor once, so I guess much much much less?

If I get HSU in E it also means that I'd likely have to pull those rooms

while C (or whatever the room close to terminal is) is way way faster

[civic wave]

Yea, depending on enemy spawns and pending any fuckups, it can take me up to 16 minutes for the solo

[tardy ingot]

well up to is always a rough indicator

[civic wave]

But always <20mins unless I die

[tardy ingot]

D
(Decent chance for spawns, B and C sit at ~1,67% iirc)

[hidden ridge]

Of course a team of 4 speedrunners are going to take much less than that I'm sure, but you asked without giving any more description other than "how long" and "with prior knowledge"

[tardy ingot]

Yep

[hidden ridge]

So I just gave input based on me+3 vanilla bots

[civic wave]

And I gave my time based on casual solo runs as someone who's done solo speedruns

[tardy ingot]

id never call it a 3 min mission unless you intend to speed

i usually tell people its a chill <10 min mission if you are well enough into the game

[hidden ridge]

fair

[tardy ingot]

cuz at that point you „should“ know the path/objective and that you dont need to loot it all

[frail heart]

i mean in our run we did it in 4 mins

[ocean spindle]

on the runs i've done it without speedruns i completed it in like 10 or so mins

minute more minute less

but that's cause i ran in everywhere

if u don't know how to stealth walk right or even take ur time slightly i could understand takin 20

[tardy ingot]

Yes

But then you also definetly arent experienced (plus consider that its r1a1 so unless you wake up scouts or the room c/e combo in hsu zone, not much is actually threatening)

[frail heart]

r1a1 is a fuckin sub 10 min level

[wild flare]

10-15 mins i think

There are only 2 mandatory alarms iirc?

[ocean spindle]

theres only two alarms in general

well two door alaarms

then then hsu

[wild flare]

Yeah, i mean scans

[topaz anvil]

Hsu is a scan

[wild flare]

Ok, doors 😅

[ocean spindle]

hsu is a door :D

jk

[digital mural]

techincally theres 3

2 alarms 1 res zone

[ocean spindle]

we talkin alaarms

[wild flare]

Res zone non mandatory

[ocean spindle]

so like

[topaz anvil]

No more than 10 minutes if you are good
10-20 if you have knowledge but less skill

[digital mural]

yeah but he said doors

smh

[ocean spindle]

smh u dont know context

[digital mural]

smh im trying to be funny

fuck you

[ocean spindle]

:[

[tardy ingot]

what skill (if you have knowledge)

[topaz anvil]

The skill to look for things with your eyes instead of the terminal constantly

Assuming no time spent fucking around

[tardy ingot]

With how fast you can get to the terminal i feel its not even slow to ping

[topaz anvil]

Sure but with 3 others looking immediately it'll be faster imo unless the terminal user has the worlds fastest fingers

Because you'd likely find the resources in the time terminal man pings the key

And now you are done

[tardy ingot]

well that just makes it easier

What do you think is possible time wise if you can beat the level only crouching and using terminal to ping

(No speedrun hurrying)

[topaz anvil]

Idk ask any beginner team

[tardy ingot]

~8 minutes

[wild flare]

Now i am curious, how fast i can do this lvl with bots

[tardy ingot]

Under 5 is pretty doable with no sweat

[wild flare]

Unfortunately i have other things to do, r4 will not clear by itself

And i am perfectionist, so PE only

(Probably will fail miserably)

[ocean coyote]

how to access the gtfo-media and other channels ? like I can only access gtfo-chat and gtfo-related questions now

[ocean spindle]

check id:customize

[keen pivot]

i have a question in #gtfo-lore with image if any lore master can help with terminal. ty

[lean vessel]

is there a way to get a link to steam profile of other players from ingame ?

[keen pivot]

there is a mod for it

i dont think vanilla has a way to do that

[sturdy glen]

is there any level with the potential for 2 charger scouts in the same room and an IIX spawn available before it

[ocean spindle]

oh no

[tardy ingot]

R6D4

[sturdy glen]

non suspicious question

[tardy ingot]

Charger dimension, you know the zone
Decently likely to have iix

Does r7e1 have iix?

R6CX, but the chance for a double charger scout is super slim

those work for your double hit endeavours?

[sturdy glen]

probably

if only r7d2 could have one

would make it way easier

time to cheat and cconsole it

[keen seal]

staged clip, doesn't count

[sturdy glen]

the real one is the 2 player one

would be an insane clip

[tardy ingot]

actually insane

[sturdy glen]

arguably easier to farm

[past mesa]

It isn’t real

But it will be really

[past mesa]

Time to make a new Jish down level

[sturdy glen]

New jishdown level (It's literally just r7d2)

[upper ginkgo]

jishdown but it's designed around 8 players

[vital compass]

what do u think sleepers smell like? do they stink? (probably) is it a blood like smell or does it smell like something else?

[floral acorn]

compound dn-327 is closest

[ocean spindle]

lot of sweat mixed with crude meat

[vital compass]

fascinating

[nova needle]

can you one shot a charger with a knife?

[ocean spindle]

no but a full charge into the back sleeping will leave it at a slimmer of hp, so u can just onetap it without any charge

u can see it with shooters, they have they same hp and multipliers for the back

so if u shank a shooters from the back one slash and itll die

[nova needle]

so 1 charge + 1 hit

thanks

[soft crater]

I would still partial charge for the second hit just to be safe.

Practice on shooters just not hitting the head

[tardy ingot]

tbh if you actually went behind them while asleep then you wouldnt even need the back damage anymore

[reef geyser]

how many dmg bonus % to one full charge hit kill a charger instantly

i know hitting the back head will kill them but incase position issue

[frail heart]

Chargers don’t have a head multiplier so just hitting them in the back is enough

Also idk I play the game

[tardy ingot]

As already said, they dont have a head multiplier so hitting the head = hitting the body

Simply hit from behind with spear/hammer

Knife needs like 7% or so idk (but just clash after the first hit and its dead anyway)
Bat needs 25%

[tiny wyvern]

Btw, why exactly are we having a streamathon again?

[hidden ridge]

Copium answer: GTFO 2 announcement

[livid stone]

For the children

[hidden ridge]

Non-copium answer: a last chance to promote the game (perhaps it will also go on sale or freeweek)

[frail heart]

a promotion for it tbh

but its also a charity event

[tardy ingot]

everything is a promotion in essence. So thats such a freakin moot point

but yes

Charity event

[tardy ingot]

Maybe in 2028

[frail heart]

i think they just wanted to play with me

surely

[hidden ridge]

It will have miniguns, flamethrowers and rocketlaunchers

[tardy ingot]

tbh ive seen the first and last

[hidden ridge]

you'll collect cash chips for the WARDEN 2.0 who will connect you to GARGANTUA-NET where you can select your expeditions

basically payday 2

[tardy ingot]

and they usually are kinda wack as frick

[soft crater]

It's mostly in the case someone doesn't get full back dmg

On the sleeping hit that is.

[tiny wyvern]

Even as a promotion/charity event, it feels really weird to get a streamathon this late into the game's lifecycle.
Would even drive up attention?

[frail heart]

Well i mean its a "finished" game so it kind of makes sense right now, but also its a charity event, and also it build traction not just for the game, but for the company and in turn DoW

The whole concept of what this streamathon is doesnt really work in any other stage apart from when alt r6 came out

[nova needle]

does a second hit to a awoken enemy wake up other enemies?

[hard nexus]

not if it doesnt scream

[ocean spindle]

usually enemies only wake up with the first hit either by close or long range aggro

[hard nexus]

but ye also that

[ocean spindle]

the only way rlly to wake others up is by starting to walk trying to hit it

[tardy ingot]

Doing anything to an awoken enemy wont wake up other enemies

[nova needle]

thanks

[tardy ingot]

its the reason controlled long range aggro works

[hard nexus]

also does breaking line of sight not work for chargers?

or close enough standing sleepers will still trigger

[ocean spindle]

pretty sure stealth works the same in every enemy no matter the type

[tardy ingot]

yup

[tardy ingot]

Wait. You mean breaking line of sight with your body?

That was never a thing

[hard nexus]

what

im pretty sure thats in your guide tho?

[ocean spindle]

yeh how it doesnt work ksmdkm

[unreal gazelle]

lol

bodyblocking los never worked, it was just misinfo

and it is not in Eva's guide

[tardy ingot]

It isnt
line of sight through objects

Check min 7:00

i precisely say they dont

[hard nexus]

so bodies are not equal objects

is this a sign devs are against objectification

[frail heart]

no

dev W

[hidden ridge]

Bodyblocking never worked and was a misinfo even I fell prey to years ago

Good rule of thumb for extreme proximity aggro though

[topaz anvil]

It's a pseudoscience and if you believed in it, it worked 😔

[minor fractal]

Random long-range mechanic goes hard.

[soft crater]

"Throwing glowsticks wakes them up"

proceeds to throw 12 glowsticks at a sleeping giant

[pure zenith]

which is most ammo efficient gun

[grizzled widget]

my first guess would be the pistol

[minor fractal]

Eco doesn't matter, hit more shots.

[grizzled widget]

3 tap headshot kills

[pure zenith]

thx

[narrow niche]

Pub?

[grizzled widget]

its good to practice for THE best efficient gun, the DMR

[narrow niche]

Wouldn't it technically be the machinepistol

[grizzled widget]

dmr and revolver was my go-to for ogr1 back when i played seriously

[soft crater]

It's always pubs

[unreal gazelle]

main gun? special gun?
efficient into what enemies?

[narrow niche]

</3

[unreal gazelle]

but rayalot is right, if you hit shots every gun is efficient enough

[narrow niche]

^

[minor fractal]

DMR is not efficient, lol.

[grizzled widget]

if you only hit headshots it is

[unreal gazelle]

it is strong still, but not an efficient gun

[narrow niche]

I'm pretty sure machinepistol is technically the most efficient if you hit precision

[minor fractal]

No, it's the least efficient Main iirc w/ perfect accuracy.

[unreal gazelle]

efficient enough, but so is every gun if you hit shots

[narrow niche]

I'm just not sure how you would do that

[grizzled widget]

but im talking a kills-per-mag sense, depending on which type of "efficient" you mean

as in ammo efficient, or in use

[minor fractal]

It's good despite its poor eco, because eco doesn't matter.

[soft crater]

Every gun can work. Doesn't mean it's efficient

[unreal gazelle]

hel revo can get 8 kills/mag with good pen

it gets very funny when you start calculating pen

very unrealistic though

[minor fractal]

which is most ammo efficient gun
What you replied to, btw

[grizzled widget]

ah

[soft crater]

Definitely getting Only 5 pen every shot for hel rifle

One ammo efficient weapon would be DTR if you can land one burst kills

[grizzled widget]

i guess we just have different meanings of "ammo efficient" in this context.
but yeah, you can 100% be great with pretty much any gun, besides maybe the rifle or the new secondary rifle, they suck ass

[minor fractal]

W/out pen, best eco loadout is probably DTR + CS, but w/ pen it's probably HEL Revo + HEL Gun.

[unreal gazelle]

rifle is not one of the worse main weapons

[grizzled widget]

absolutely

[minor fractal]

There's not very many meanings of "ammo efficient," DMR is just not.

[unreal gazelle]

yes it had its mag and reload nerfed but it is still a very good gun

[grizzled widget]

in a per-mag sense, 12 kills is hard to beat. that was my thinking, not total capacity in reserve or refill

[soft crater]

Rifle definitely dropped after the reload cancel nerf but yeah it isn't the worst option. (Then again I never see it anymore after the nerf.)

[minor fractal]

Nobody means "per mag" when they say "ammo efficient" besides you, Frostty.

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this. was not great, but way better than it is now back then

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If someone is talking about it at all, it's probably because they feel like they lack access to total ammo.

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nobody calls the shotgun the s870 either. oh well.

we have an understanding of what eachother meant now, no point to continue arguing about it

[soft crater]

Usually for per mag (for mains) I'm usually thinking dmg per mag in the case I use it for giants. (Not ideal but helpful)

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That's a burst metric, tho.

[soft crater]

Ye

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speaking of shotguns though, anybody else feel the slug shotty is just a primary s870? hell, it sometimes feels like it might be better than it tbh

[soft crater]

No?

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Burst damage and TTK are probably a lot more important, but it's pretty clear that's now what the question was about.

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extremely solid primary, new favorite, even past hel-shotgun

and i LOVE shotguns

[unreal gazelle]

i think if you wanted a main slot shotgun that worked like pump, you would take sawed off

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and a slug shotty is practically a rifle

[unreal gazelle]

maybe i am just crazy though

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i do ocassionally.

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Slug is just too slow.

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i feel the extra ammo they gave it is weird given its model and reloading, but im not complaining on effectiveness

its a monster compared to ogr6 when it was first added and was "meh"

the extra mag capacity means a lot

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i mean yeah, but it allows me to single tap from further than the sawed-off. its like the DMR of shotguns

so-to-say

the scope is also the warden symbol, oddly enough

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It's just not valuable enough when we have fast TTK on other Mains already.

HEL Revo and DMR don't gimp their granularity for similar power at range.

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oh yeah, im not arguing that most conventional primaries can outperform it, i just love using shotguns and take it first choice over rifled barrels.

[olive robin]

You mean you don't pick your weapons based solely off what's best???

That's just crazy.

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nope, i pick what feels good.

[unreal gazelle]

best by what metric, crazy man?

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shotguns, shotguns, and more shotguns

[olive robin]

Shotgun fan