i gotta find it rq
#gtfo-related-questions
frail heart
digital mural
frail heart
nvm i must've deleted it
frail heart
imagine 4 huge burley men absolutely railing a pmom with 4 short rifles and 4 burst pistols
livid stone
burst pistol so based
Based on manure
tame fulcrum
How much melee damage boost do you need to kill Scouts with a knife to the front of the head?
tame fulcrum
Damn, that is way too big of an investment
I wanna help some friends get comfy with scout melee kills. Guess I'll let them bring a muted melee booster and a hammer, I think full charge to the back should kill scouts with any melee booster still? Its been so long since I checked the math on that
frail heart
I wanna help some friends get comfy with scout melee kills. Guess I'll let them ...
You can hit anywhere on the head with a full charge
tame fulcrum
I know, I can do that perfectly fine. But its not as easy for people who are brand new to the game and a bit nervous
frail heart
Yeah even so i would not practice killing scouts with a melee booster to the back. Its better to get comfortable with killing scout in the head, even if you dont succeed when you first try.
native fractal
What is the best way to use the burst cannon?
livid stone
By shooting and dragging your mouse across a couple enemies or weakpoints, or just blast a giant with 2 bursts to kill them
livid stone
I know, I can do that perfectly fine. But its not as easy for people who are bra...
I also practice running by walking.
formal loom
I wanna help some friends get comfy with scout melee kills. Guess I'll let them ...
any melee fully charged no booster kills back of the head
tardy ingot
around 100% roughly lemme math
Should only be 70% @tame fulcrum
tardy ingot
I know, I can do that perfectly fine. But its not as easy for people who are bra...
Well yes
But its also a thing that its JUST about confidence.
Charge, sprint, jump + hit
grizzled patrol
What is the best way to use the burst cannon?
In some situations you can treat it Like Hel gun
frail heart
ive never heard that before ngl
hardy grotto
Host doesn’t have to deal with client bs so yeah you can just fire it at enemies in a straight line and kill them
As client your entire burst probably gets eaten by the first guy lmao
winged wolf
Seeking bat advice. Don't use bat and looking to explore other melee weapons. Can all Scout types be killed with a full charged bat to the head? Can you run up to Scouts while charging bat (or has a patch removed that ability)?
soft crater
Not all scout variants have a Head multiplier
Next to Bat cannot headshot a normal scout from the front
fierce walrus
Seeking bat advice. Don't use bat and looking to explore other melee weapons. Ca...
Hammer and spear can kill regular scouts with a full charge to the head (same for shadow scouts), knife and bat need back of head for them. You can run up to scouts while charging the melee with every weapon (except the spear which has a slower sprint), scooter scouts can be oneshotted to the head with a full charge of all melees but knife which needs back of head. Charger scouts and nightmare scouts cant be oneshotted with a single melee
native fractal
As client your entire burst probably gets eaten by the first guy lmao
Oh, that is interesting. are there other weapons that are heavily influenced by being a client?
hard nexus
Akschually charger scouts can be one shotted with yellow syringe
fierce walrus
Akschually charger scouts can be one shotted with yellow syringe
im talking without any extra modifiera fucking nerd
hard nexus
🤓
hardy grotto
Oh, that is interesting. are there other weapons that are heavily influenced by ...
Scattergun is way better for boss killing as client than host cause tumors don’t instapop for clients
soft crater
Scattergun is way better for boss killing as client than host cause tumors don’t...
Was it ever explained how Raya 2 shot a mom with scatter as host?
Or was there some other thing I missed from that clip?
arctic marten
Was it ever explained how Raya 2 shot a mom with scatter as host?
hes really good at this game
frail heart
Pure skill
hardy grotto
Was it ever explained how Raya 2 shot a mom with scatter as host?
I didn’t watch the clip so idk
I could guess he maybe just spread the damage enough for it
but idk how you’d do that so I’d have to ask him
grizzled patrol
Oh, that is interesting. are there other weapons that are heavily influenced by ...
Double Tap rifle can 1shot a striker If both of the bullets Hit the head before it bursts Like a watermelon
Although you have to be on a very high Ping for that
hollow sierra
does each level/expidition have mutiple runs?
grizzled patrol
As in variations?
grizzled patrol
Ah i See. Its Just a Count of how many Times you have completed a certain objective in that mission
(Main/secondary/overload/PE)
hollow sierra
oh
grizzled patrol
Not all lvl have them
hollow sierra
how do i do the other ones cos i explored everything
grizzled patrol
When you select the Level it Tells you what objectives it Has.
secondaries and overloads appear only after Rundown 3, so every Level in 1-3 Has only the Main objective
soft crater
Double Tap rifle can 1shot a striker If both of the bullets Hit the head before ...
It only has to be 1 body 1 head with DTR.
Not both into head
tardy ingot
i was about to say
soft crater
Not sure why you would need the client desync for double headshot though.
Not even dmg falloff with the 40m range
(Unless for whatever reason you are shooting that far with DTR)
grizzled patrol
It only has to be 1 body 1 head with DTR.
Didnt mean to say that its the only way to 1tap them, but that its possible
soft crater
I guess if your first shot is too high.
And you're client
Pray you hit the head with second shot
I've still yet to test binary trigger mod with DTR
half brook
Is ther a limit to have many boosters you can have?
I know the bold and agressive ones stack for instance. But I dont know if the muted do
Am I just wasting new boosters when I pick up new muted once ?
digital mural
yes theres a limit
you can see how much space you have on the booster selection menu
half brook
okay so ther is no point in waiting to use muted boosters then
ocean spindle
there comes a point even the game tells u some boosters got discarded
digital mural
i recommend using random boosters once in a while
ocean spindle
i would just recommend burn a muted like every time if u really want new ones or just throw the ones u don't want
digital mural
just to clean some space or you can delete them
ocean spindle
muteds u get a ton
hard nexus
Muted auto use usually
Because everything has 100 artifact heat
Then again all my mutes are infection and cfoam both I don't care about
ocean spindle
use foam then :3
hard nexus
It's actually fucking weird every time I'm not bio
turbid timber
For a new player, which rundown offers the best intro to the game? Our group started with R1, but have heard other rundowns offer a better intro for new players
latent obsidian
For a new player, which rundown offers the best intro to the game? Our group sta...
R1 is across the board the easiest rundown to start on but if you aren't finding it interesting enough you could take a look at R6. R1 is quite basic and more enemies and concepts are introduced later so R6 might be more interesting for you
hidden ridge
Ellda's right
R1's the easiest and R6 is the most "broad" without any MAJOR difficulty spike and the hardest map it has is probably R6D3 PE
turbid timber
Perfect, thanks. We have finished R1 already and really enjoyed it, we're introducing a new player to the game soon so wasn't sure if we should re-do R1 or maybe go through R6 with them first
latent obsidian
Theres plenty of levels to go through, so playing R6 and having everyone experience something new would be cool
tardy ingot
R1's the easiest and R6 is the most "broad" without any MAJOR difficulty spike a...
I just cant see R6D3PE as the hardest
Its just so solveable, there no moment where you are ever under pressure if you know the strats
Meanwhile R6D4 and R6C3 :0
hidden ridge
I just cant see R6D3PE as the hardest
Its just so solveable, there no moment w...
Dont really know but I've found R6D4 very forgiving with the checkpoints
tardy ingot
Perfect, thanks. We have finished R1 already and really enjoyed it, we're introd...
Could always do R2
It basically is the same as R1, but introduces more new mechanics (nothing overwhelming).
Has a higher difficulty peak in D tiers. The E tier is harsh tho, so probably skip that once ya get there
hidden ridge
And R6C3 is like every "rush here" map, knowing where to go and when makes it really easy
tardy ingot
Dont really know but I've found R6D4 very forgiving with the checkpoints
Checkpoints
Dont
Matter
dry pumice
max knowledge OP 🤯
latent obsidian
None of the levels are very challenging when you know where to go already
hidden ridge
Checkpoints
Dont
Matter
For newbies, which is the context they do
tardy ingot
Checkpointing is still a fail
hidden ridge
So I disagree
latent obsidian
C3, D3 both punish being lost kinda hard
tardy ingot
Checkpointing is legit a fail
latent obsidian
if you don't know the map
turbid timber
Could always do R2
It basically is the same as R1, but introduces more new mech...
Oh man, yeah R2D2 took us probably 15 solid attempts until we beat it. What a rush when we did beat it though
dry pumice
None of the levels are very challenging when you know where to go already
With few exceptions, like R2E1 just being a massive pain
latent obsidian
With few exceptions, like R2E1 just being a massive pain
was talking about R6 really, I don't consider myself so above the game that every level poses no challenge any more
tardy ingot
C3, D3 both punish being lost kinda hard
this is true with D3 ye
But that leads to being easy once solved
hidden ridge
Checkpointing is still a fail
Nah
I mean people abuse that shit but the game gives you one you use it
hidden ridge
🤷♂️
tardy ingot
i cant argue whether its counted as a fail in the files
but it is legit a fail
You still died
hidden ridge
I guess it's the same reasoning by which using boosters is cheating
hidden ridge
And again the purpose is newbies
tardy ingot
boosters are cheap
tardy ingot
but they dont let you redo smth you failed
yes
They are gonna get the clear
But they still failed
checkpoints dont make a level easier
They make it easier to get it cleared
its an actual difference
latent obsidian
hidden ridge
They make it easier to get it cleared
Which is the purpose?
tardy ingot
this isnt me hating on checkpoints
i dislike them for people using them brainlessly and their bugs
hidden ridge
this isnt me hating on checkpoints
I really dont get
how checkpoints making some maps easier for newbies
tardy ingot
???????
hidden ridge
is somehow a controversial statement
tardy ingot
its an actual difference
.
dry pumice
I feel like you guys are not listening to each other
hidden ridge
the map doesnt get easier
Well
By that extent you could add checkpoints to R4E1 or R8E2
and they'd be just as hard
tardy ingot
you could
hidden ridge
correct?
hidden ridge
I disagree 🤣
tardy ingot
man fighting that pmom tank combo certainly is easier now after failing it 53 times with a checkpoint
also
checkpointing = dying = failing
hidden ridge
Like, I think they save time and it's a pve game so who ultimately gives a shit
tardy ingot
it just means you have to redo less
latent obsidian
Perhaps the nuance here is that the checkpoint doesn't make the content any less challenging, but it allows you to meet the content again quicker, and practice the failure point more quickly
hidden ridge
But dying and being able to redo not from scratch is tantalizingly described as "easier" in my book
hidden ridge
it just means you have to redo less
I'd wonder if you'd have told that to people that wanted so vehemently a "non-cp" badge
hollow sierra
yeah tbf if the checkpoint skips parts then it makes it easier
latent obsidian
I'd wonder if you'd have told that to people that wanted so vehemently a "non-cp...
I would have liked that badge
some kind of distinction on the rundown screen
hidden ridge
Perhaps the nuance here is that the checkpoint doesn't make the content any less...
It's weird because a lot of people push the checkpoint as the mark of shame
tardy ingot
I mean, this is what Eva is saying in different words
This
im drawing a difference between actual difference and ease of clearing
cheats dont make a level easy, they made it easy to clear (obviously checkpoints arent cheats)
- checkpointing = failing means that having to checkpoint a level already SHOWS that its harder than a level you didnt need to do so
hidden ridge
Then people go in the other direction and use mods that add checkpoints and whatnot
tardy ingot
It's weird because a lot of people push the checkpoint as the mark of shame
I mean it kinda is 
Game isnr rly designed around checkpoints
hollow sierra
level being hard is preference
tardy ingot
but in the end
hidden ridge
I think they make the levels easier and it's intuitive when E levels barring one of them do not have a checkpoint at all
tardy ingot
who cares about what people say
i feel shame when i have to checkpoint clear cuz im used to them making a run dreadful
tardy ingot
I think they make the levels easier and it's intuitive when E levels barring one...
That „E“ tier being a C tier anyway
hidden ridge
i feel shame when i have to checkpoint clear cuz im used to them making a run dr...
I press X to doubt on that
tardy ingot
I'd wonder if you'd have told that to people that wanted so vehemently a "non-cp...
I think a reward for non cp is completely fair lol
CPs as of right now are a huge cop out in a way
hidden ridge
I think a reward for non cp is completely fair lol
I feel like it's pointless
latent obsidian
I don't think using the checkpoint should deprive a player of any cosmetic or progression or unlock
tardy ingot
I press X to doubt on that
What
latent obsidian
I would just like to have tracked which levels I have beaten without a checkpoint
hidden ridge
I don't think using the checkpoint should deprive a player of any cosmetic or pr...
Nothing should, it's a PvE game
hollow sierra
or just make it so u can view stats of playersd and on of the stats are: levels completed with checkpoints used
problem solved
like a lil combat record
hidden ridge
all this chest thumping and shit and whatnot is really tiresome sometimes
latent obsidian
Stats are always fun
tardy ingot
honestly i dont care bout that
(Tho ye stats are fun)
i think checkpoints (bugs aside) are just not well implemented and should have a limited amount of uses per run. So that you cant do the break the brickwall with your head tech.
hidden ridge
honestly i dont care bout that
(Tho ye stats are fun)
i think checkpoints (bugs...
oh I can agree with the limited amount and whatnot
tardy ingot
but none of this refuted
That using a checkpoint means you failed the run
hidden ridge
I disagree with checkpoints NOT making a level easier
tardy ingot
this is where the thought process diverge
latent obsidian
but none of this refuted
That using a checkpoint means you failed the run
This is just personal perception though tbf
tardy ingot
i think of it as 2 things while you think of it as 1
hidden ridge
Unless you consider for some reason a checkpointed run not "a clear", but the game doesn't track them so the game disagrees
tardy ingot
This is just personal perception though tbf
Is it?
I think its objectively true since you had to die
hidden ridge
this is where the thought process diverge
And it's fine, people dont have to agree
hidden ridge
Is it?
I think its objectively true since you had to die
but the game gives you a clear anyway
latent obsidian
Is it?
I think its objectively true since you had to die
Nowhere does the game state you have to not die to beat the level
hollow sierra
in fortnite u can die n get rebooted and yet still get the win
so thats not a fail
latent obsidian
Like, I understand what you are saying, really
hollow sierra
so this aint either
tardy ingot
Unless you consider for some reason a checkpointed run not "a clear", but the ga...
No i consider checkpoint runs clears (tho i prefer one without a lot)
Im just saying if you ran a level and checkpointed 5 times. Then its not „first try“
latent obsidian
I understand both viewpoints and like has already been said you just disagree
tardy ingot
Nowhere does the game state you have to not die to beat the level
In this way redoing the level also isnt a fail
hollow sierra
yea like if 3/4 people die but last guy lives,they all cleared it
tardy ingot
you see the issue?
hollow sierra
not just 1st guy
hidden ridge
No i consider checkpoint runs clears (tho i prefer one without a lot)
Im just s...
Nowhere I mentioned first trying I guess
latent obsidian
In this way redoing the level also isnt a fail
don't quite follow you on this one
Of course redoing it isn't a fail?
tardy ingot
but the game gives you a clear anyway
BRUH
Because you still cleared it????
You just died and used the checkpoint. Aka since you have to die to checkpoint
Checkpointing = having died
hidden ridge
BRUH
Because you still cleared it????
You just died and used the checkpoint. A...
Yeah but I didnt have to redo most of the level
tardy ingot
in fortnite u can die n get rebooted and yet still get the win
You can have 3 downs and still extract
Cant have full squad wipe in fortnite and still win
hidden ridge
Hence it was easier?
latent obsidian
right okay so
failed the run and cleared the run are not mutually exclusive?
In your terms, Eva?
hollow sierra
You can have 3 downs and still extract
Cant have full squad wipe in fortnite an...
this makes no sense
tardy ingot
Of course redoing it isn't a fail?
If you redo a level due to having died
Then clear it
Then that means you failed
If you do a level. Die, then checkpoint
Then clear
Then its a clear aswell. But you also still failed
tardy ingot
having died doesnt equal fail
It does
tardy ingot
Yeah but I didnt have to redo most of the level
Aaaand????
hidden ridge
Aaaand????
And so it's easier than doing from scratch?
tardy ingot
failed the run and cleared the run are not mutually exclusive?
if you checkpoint you are doing both if you clear yes
also i can fail a run. Then start a new and clear it
One just uses checkpoints to skip a part of the level
This doesnt make THE LEVEL easier
But it makes THE CLEAR easier
hidden ridge
I mean, look at it this way: checkpoints are placed where they are because I'm pretty sure they saw testers dying a lot at those points
latent obsidian
Okay, sure
hollow sierra
no if theres a checkpoint...
hidden ridge
if you checkpoint you are doing both if you clear yes
also i can fail a run. Th...
But the point of the level is to clear it?
tardy ingot
I mean, look at it this way: checkpoints are placed where they are because I'm p...
i wish i could answer :3
tardy ingot
But the point of the level is to clear it?
Yes
but the levels isnt easier
hidden ridge
I mean you can glean that info from stuff like R7C1's checkpoint right before the juicy part
latent obsidian
What was the original point of this again?
hidden ridge
I feel like it's a safe assumption
hollow sierra
it is cos u skip time and continue on u dont start again
latent obsidian
That checkpoints don't make a level easier?
tardy ingot
What was the original point of this again?
Dying and checkpointing = having died
hidden ridge
That checkpoints don't make a level easier?
I say they do, Darkeva say they don't
tardy ingot
but sleepo doesnt differentiate between the level itself and the clear
hollow sierra
i also say theyndo
hollow sierra
but this is very semantic
does semantic mean meaningless
latent obsidian
It means very rooted in the precise definition of terms
hidden ridge
This is all interesting since a lot of players hated the introduction of checkpoints because they'd make the game easier
And I defended it by saying that it's optional
tardy ingot
I mean you can glean that info from stuff like R7C1's checkpoint right before th...
id rly not think too much of this in that sense
Lots of checkpoint spots are random af and others are clean
But again
Dying and checkpoint -> you died
Dying (full team) -> fail
You can still clear of course. Thats how a checkpoint or restart works. You never get locked out
Having to redo a section means the section didnt get easier due to the checkpoint (unless you legt cheese the issues their design has but thats cheap af lol). So
- the level didnt get easier
But. Because you didnt have to redo the start and probably have some extra knowledge by default you will now have an easier time clearing said level
tardy ingot
This is all interesting since a lot of players hated the introduction of checkpo...
The game can be easier to clear while still not interacting with the actual difficulty
I think boosters are essentially the same
boosters dont make the level easier
Just the clear
cuz the level isnt impacted
hidden ridge
id rly not think too much of this in that sense
Lots of checkpoint spots are ran...
I feel that a lot of maps would have three times the clear % if they had checkpoints, let's put it that way, do you agree?
hollow sierra
so ur saying like in dark souls if u die once u lose everythintg and should restart,since no point using checkpoints cos it means u failed the game
tardy ingot
I feel that a lot of maps would have three times the clear % if they had checkpo...
This is actually a questionable point since we dont know if deaths and then checkpointing are counted as fails
hidden ridge
cuz the level isnt impacted
This sort of divergence where you see the clear as something different than the level is a bit alien to me (no offense)
hollow sierra
boosters dont make the level easier
Just the clear
this is even worse
latent obsidian
Eva is defining difficulty of the level as the content of the level and challenges you are posed
Sleepo is defining difficulty of the level as the ease and time which it is likely to be completed in
correct?
tardy ingot
so ur saying like in dark souls if u die once u lose everythintg and should rest...
you are using the wrong scenario
If you die to a boss. And then have to retry
Did you fail the boss?
hidden ridge
Eva is defining difficulty of the level as the content of the level and challeng...
Let's put it this way, finishing a game without any checkpoint is harder than the same game but with checkpoints
latent obsidian
Let's put it this way, finishing a game without any checkpoint is harder than th...
of course
hidden ridge
Not stuff like 8 hours in a row, stuff like you die that's it goodbye savefile
tardy ingot
This sort of divergence where you see the clear as something different than the ...
Oh on this i can agree that its rly just an opinionated stance thing
I think checkpoints shouldnt be considered since no level is BALANCED around them (same as boosters). But they obviously make clears easier still. So splitting that makes both discussions possible
hidden ridge
you are using the wrong scenario
If you die to a boss. And then have to retry
...
I redo all of the boss though
For most cases I can think of
Some games save if the boss changes phase but that's going into an entirely different argument tbh
tardy ingot
theres cases where it saves if you finish a stage
dry pumice
Let's put it this way, finishing a game without any checkpoint is harder than th...
In a very... Stretched way?
latent obsidian
Would Malenia be easier if you could restart from phase 2? 🙂
tardy ingot
i still would count every death as a full fail tho
dry pumice
The game itself remained the same. Mechanics are the same, enemies are the same. The only thing that changed is the price of failure.
tardy ingot
Since surprise
Dying (in gtfo full team) is failing
hidden ridge
The game itself remained the same. Mechanics are the same, enemies are the same....
Means I can fail less so it's harder?
latent obsidian
You guys are just arguing with different definitions
dry pumice
There's a reason 99% of games have a save system of some sorts
And no death runs are either fan projects or a cool special gamemode like the "only 3 saves per game" of dead space.
hidden ridge
There's a reason 99% of games have a save system of some sorts
Yes because being able to save makes it easier
dry pumice
Yes because being able to save makes it easier
No, because NO SANE INDIVIDUAL will replay the entirety of Dark Souls 3 because they died to fuckng soul of cinder
hidden ridge
No, because NO SANE INDIVIDUAL will replay the entirety of Dark Souls 3 because ...
🤣 I sense some... story you want to tell there, Artek
dry pumice
Not really, i never done a no death run before, but still.
tardy ingot
basically
R6D4 isnt easier than R6D3 because you can checkpoint to redo it
you still wiped on it.
Id even argue getting the clear is harder since youd still have to redo and survive that harsh section
While in R6D3 its just solveable and you shouldnt struggle once you know how
dry pumice
Checkpoint are grind protection mechanic
tardy ingot
they make dying less punishing
but still means you died and failed
doesnt mean you cant clear on a checkpointed run
Cuz thats exactly what they exist for
But if you had to wipe before a clear that level is probably harder than one without wipes on it (very generalized)
dry pumice
I'm sorry but wiping on the way back from R5D1 secondary was fucking PAIN and it really desentivise you to replay that level again.
Checkpoints, on the other hand, are a sunken cost fallacy personified. Might as well get it done now, lest i replay the entire rest of the level.
Something that came back to bite me hard on R8D2, where i regreted so many times not getting a clear on that 4:AM run when i realised that it was a miracle we got past that secondary.
hidden ridge
but still means you died and failed
Take a map, let's say R4E1, add 2 checkpoints, right before reactor and right after reactor. That map would get cleared more often than what we have now, do you agree on this statement?
Because I define "easy" as a map easy to get a clear on (badge of completion matters, game doesn't track checkpoint being used so I dont either)
tardy ingot
easier to get a clear
Level itself stays the same
The easiest way to understand this split imo is that the default should be NOT to checkpoint. Or rather NOT to die
the reason why E tiers dont have a checkpoint is 1. probably prestige and 2. to drive a point home
hidden ridge
For me how easy it is the get a clear defines how easy the level is
Apparently that's where our thoughts diverge
hidden ridge
Well I cant use a checkpoint if I didnt die
dry pumice
Apparently that's where our thoughts diverge
That's pretty much it, yeah.
Clearing level is "easier" but level itself stayed the same and still requires the same amount of skill to be applied to it to actually get a clear.
People just don't wipe on their 1:35:58 run and lose any and all interest in the game
tardy ingot
so by you having to die it means that the difficulty on that death doesnt change
It just changes the cost of getting back to it.
Which makes clearing easier. But not the actual difficulty that you need to overcome
hidden ridge
I feel like you are a bit of the party (I'm really struggling to find the right word so dont dwell on this one) that thinks you haven't really "cleared" a level until you did it X way or whatnot (not talking about doorbugging to get a clear or whatever)
tardy ingot
eh
i dislike cheap ways out. But thats because they usually arent balanced around.
(Like boosters breaking game mechanics, using checkpoints to beat smth after 10 hours or doorbug etc)
hidden ridge
For me if team X finished map 1 without a checkpoint and team Y finished it with a checkpoint then, with only that metric avaiable, team X played better than team Y
tardy ingot
but i dont mind people getting the clears (well doorbug aside)
hidden ridge
eh
i dislike cheap ways out. But thats because they usually arent balanced aroun...
But even boosters, the point is that the game gives it to players even when they failed to make things easier
tardy ingot
ifs like cfoam ladder r2e1
i think its cheap. But its still a clear. Id just generally recommend people to retry with sentry for actual experience of how its supposed to feel
well… as long as you dont brag about clearing with X or smth
tardy ingot
But even boosters, the point is that the game gives it to players even when they...
oh and i think thats fine
tardy ingot
For me if team X finished map 1 without a checkpoint and team Y finished it with...
This pretty much
But im happy for both unless Y starts acting like they did it just as good/better
hidden ridge
ifs like cfoam ladder r2e1
i think its cheap. But its still a clear. Id just ge...
I mean I said the same about people abusing mines and doors on R5B4, which makes the map even easier than it is when you know which door to mine and when
Ladder foam is, in all probability, simply not intended to work like it does
So it's incredibly cheap
But checkpoints are... well, engrained in the game, it's not "an unintended mechanic", I cant see them in any way other than something inteded to ease the level
tardy ingot
the thing for that is
Mines work perfectly as intended (dont need foam anyhow for r5b4). Ladder foam doesnt
checkpoints are an addon
That honestly isnt perfectly thought out
i hope you can agree with that
hidden ridge
i hope you can agree with that
Of course I agree they're buggy as hell
I've played enough rounds of sticky cells to agree 😄
unique bison
digital mural
yes
wraith flint
do u need a password for sec R8A2 anymore?
and if so any1 got it?
lunar rain
does the ping every enemy acheivement, also include guys behind security doors that you havent opened?
nvm i got it
atomic patio
why do people that que for no voice chat and voice chat get thrown into the same games
soft crater
Strange how that happens
ocean spindle
why do people that que for no voice chat and voice chat get thrown into the same...
probs a thing of em setting the option but u can just use lfg chats instead
random timber
is it normal that during the fall the game sends us to the lobby?
rigid spoke
is there any way to mod some checkpoints into the game?
i play with my friends but we are playing mainly for fun and spending an hour just to get blown up and go back to the beginning does make it hard to want to keep playing
minor fractal
is there any way to mod some checkpoints into the game?
Play only R6-R8, I'd say. It's something difficult to mod in, and I don't think anyone has done it for now.
Also, to be frank, I'm not sure how much you can get out of GTFO if you find it too punishing. That's a lot of the game.
rigid spoke
i mean
there's a lot of these types here
like
if you dont play the game like x then you wont be having a good experience
if it takes me like 45 mins to get halfway through a level i'd just like to save
lunar rain
kinda defeats the whole point of the game
fierce walrus
not how to play
im pretty sure there is a mod that adds checkpoints into earlier rundowns
yeah "ALT checkpoints" on thunderstore
rigid spoke
ah ty
digital mural
im pretty sure there is a mod that adds checkpoints into earlier rundowns
but does that mod actually adds checkpoints so if you leave you can start from them?
hidden ridge
but does that mod actually adds checkpoints so if you leave you can start from t...
I know you're being sarcastic (nvm I re-read what the guy asked) but I think the game simply isn't built to do that stuff
Kinda like it isn't built to have more than 4 players
On the other hand it's worth noting that "Alt Checkpoints" also adds checkpoints to R6-7-8
hidden ridge
if it takes me like 45 mins to get halfway through a level i'd just like to save
Save NO, I'm pretty sure that mod ONLY adds more checkpoints, you can argue it saves time if you fail but if what you want is something that basically stores the state so you can quit the game and restart from there I dont think there's a mod that does that.
ocean spindle
this games just made with the 45 min in mind, so when u cross all of that ur more tense and more willing to if u die sacrifice another 45 to get the win
and there's levels who take less or more but they all kinda follow the same mentality
viscid matrix
is it possible to play with more than 4 players?
ocean spindle
nope
digital mural
nope
dry pumice
is it possible to play with more than 4 players?
Utterly impossible: game is hard-coded for 4 players or less and allegedly breaks if you attempt to add more.
(Fun fact: for their trailers they use 4th player as the free camera - if you pay attention you'll notice that only 3 characters are ever present on screen and never more. Even devs can't work around this limitation.)
viscid matrix
is it possible to turn off mouse parallax in the menu? feels very nauseating
signal quiver
This game is officially released? Are the Sleepers ever going to be less buggy?
frail heart
This game is officially released? Are the Sleepers ever going to be less buggy?
Yes it is and wdym?
ocean spindle
sleepers as in generally aren't buggy
fierce walrus
yeah outside of scout bug, sleepers are actualy one of the less buggy parts of the game
hardy grotto
1/4 of all gtfo players report a smooth experience
The client experience won’t get fixed tho
fierce walrus
1/4 of all gtfo players report a smooth experience
1/4 of all gtfo players die on extract
frail heart
Give all gtfo players 2tbps internet speeds
signal quiver
They always seem to activate for no reason no matter how sneaky I am, animations seem off...dunno I played last night after like three years and it still seems like the experience three years ago
fierce walrus
you will be part of that 1/4
heh, you will be there too
ocean spindle
They always seem to activate for no reason no matter how sneaky I am, animations...
sleepers don't activate for no reason, u must be doin somethin to wake em up
hardy grotto
It just depends on ur internet and ur hosts net
ocean spindle
or have very bad desync
on animations it's the exact same if they appear laggy well it's ur connection or host connection
digital mural
heh, you will be there too
ocean spindle
if u just mean like "they don't look too real" that's very much another thing
signal quiver
And yes there was a moment when I threw some glow sticks and it was like a good minute before they showed up on the map
Lag of some sort
ocean spindle
that seems like enormous desync
but that's not the game
that's host connection and or steam connection and or internet being bad
digital mural
or all 3 of them
ocean spindle
that's why i say and or
digital mural
and or or and?
hidden ridge
Speed doesn't mean latency
and neither usually means stability
Not directly at least
It's why I was always smiling at the guy that "HOST 1Gbit!" lobbies
signal quiver
Ok, guess I should host next time.
hidden ridge
To be completely honest, ESPECIALLY in P2P games the two aren't really related
Of course if you've an ADSL2+ with shit snr margins and shit attenuation you're gonna have everything bad
But there's people with very good pathing on certain FTTC that beat on latency certain FTTH
signal quiver
Another unrelated question--why were there 18,000 people playing on Nov 27th last year? (2023)
hidden ridge
But it's all weird when you factor in the fact that, well, p2p games are not really what those lines were built for
signal quiver
According to Steam Charts
hidden ridge
Another unrelated question--why were there 18,000 people playing on Nov 27th las...
freeweeks
fierce walrus
Another unrelated question--why were there 18,000 people playing on Nov 27th las...
i think that was a free weekend
fierce walrus
just 2?
hidden ridge
R7 release and R8 release
digital mural
Dec 8 as well
fierce walrus
hey thats still a free weekend
ocean spindle
was it in the weekend tho
hidden ridge
Cant remember
fierce walrus
well then it was a "free period of time during the week"
hidden ridge
I think Alpha was weeklong but I may be wrong
signal quiver
A related question--why game so hard?
hidden ridge
Is it?
signal quiver
My friend and I played R1A1 last night and died like 50 times
Maybe we are just bad
hidden ridge
I dont consider myself a gaming champion by any extent of the words but I cleared all expeditions
digital mural
Maybe we are just bad
yeah you guys are bad
hidden ridge
It's just "hard to get the rythm"
digital mural
still room for improvement
civic wave
it's got a steep learning curve for sure, newer players always die to fear of the unknown and panic
give it time and you will learn
hidden ridge
ESPECIALLY if you make a point to NEVER ask for help/guides
digital mural
one day you will just clear the rooms flawlessly
ocean spindle
and of course if u haven't play the tutorial
signal quiver
We just wish we had two more people to play with 😄
ocean spindle
cause it's like important
digital mural
you can always watch guides
signal quiver
The damn bots were killing us
signal quiver
I mean like they were setting off sleepers
signal quiver
Wut
digital mural
even if they shoot
fierce walrus
I mean like they were setting off sleepers
ah the classic case of "it was the bot who triggered the sleeper not me!"
digital mural
they can walk through a scout with no problems
fierce walrus
the bots can throw a rave and it wont do shit to sleepers
hidden ridge
If you give them an hel weapon, you wake something up, they shoot it and dies but the bullet penetrates and hits a non-awaken target, said target will not even move
fierce walrus
If you give them an hel weapon, you wake something up, they shoot it and dies bu...
if you give them a scatergun, all you will hear is a loud bang before your hp drops to 0
hidden ridge
If they were allowed to hit something sleeping for first, they'd just clear rooms no matter the content
Nor even touching an enemy, or shooting, or anything, they're 100% silent
signal quiver
What in the world
hidden ridge
What in the world
The alternative would have them be useless tbh
fierce walrus
yeah either they dont trigger anything or trigger every room
hidden ridge
I mean, they still play pretend
signal quiver
They are rather useless imo
hidden ridge
Like when a giant is glowing they dont move, usually
ocean spindle
bots my beloved
hidden ridge
But it's just for show
fierce walrus
They are rather useless imo
better than having no one in 2 slots
and you can get used to playing around them
ocean spindle
at least u can use their tools
signal quiver
Ok. What about spear killing a sleeper next to three others? Will it wake them up?
digital mural
if they are throbbing yes
fierce walrus
one of their greatest strengths is that you can tell them to pickup a heavy item anywhere in the room
ocean spindle
if they are super close, like kissing close probably yes
fierce walrus
Ok. What about spear killing a sleeper next to three others? Will it wake them u...
if its close it will wake them all up
hidden ridge
Ok. What about spear killing a sleeper next to three others? Will it wake them u...
A human using a spear yes but you need to define "next to"
ocean spindle
otherwise if only u got one close and the other 2 kinda afar it'll only wake the one up close
fierce walrus
also spear ew
hidden ridge
If the balls on the biotrackers touch (pun not inteded) they are gonna wake up no matter what
fierce walrus
if the sleepers balls touch... wait a second
ocean spindle
if you see them pulsating wait until they stop
no not really
if two are very very close they won't long agro anything i believe
that or only one either long range agro will not both
signal quiver
if you see them pulsating wait until they stop
Always
dry pumice
no not really
if two are very very close they won't long agro anything i believe...
Technically correct.
digital mural
no not really
if two are very very close they won't long agro anything i believe...
i mean if someone is pulsating right next to another one
dry pumice
Only 1 enemy can wake up from feeling another enemy die.
If 2 enemies are next to each other - its always going to be the close one.
ocean spindle
i mean if someone is pulsating right next to another one
if they are very close the pulsating doesn't matter then
they will awake no matter what
dry pumice
And long agro won't proc on the second one.
ocean spindle
no?
hidden ridge
Well yeah assuming one woke up
hidden ridge
Basically, if you kill something that woke up due to something getting killed, killing that enemy itself doesn't make noise (of course, walking up to him etc still does)
signal quiver
if they are very close the pulsating doesn't matter then
Then that was it. I mean they were pretty much on top of each other
hidden ridge
But to be fair that's not something you should think about if you're a beginner
signal quiver
Oh?
hidden ridge
Then that was it. I mean they were pretty much on top of each other
Yes then bonking one will alert the other no matter what
ocean spindle
if u just see three enemies on top of each other prepare to kill em on sync
if enemies are far away between each other wait for em to stop glowin and take em one by one
that's pretty much it
hidden ridge
Same true for scout, if an enemy alerts and it's super close to the scout, the scout wakes up istantly no matter what
whole stirrup
Instructions unclear scatter gunned teammate
lunar rain
Once you get comfortable you can use long range agro to your advantage
Like getting a small guy to wake up rather than a giant
tardy ingot
Using long range aggro to stop proximity aggro
lunar rain
Problem, the group I play with can’t get past the first alarm half the time
But I think that just boils down to a skill issue
dry pumice
I suddenly remembered the second thing i remember
There was foam. Lots of foam.
For the first half of the level we just fed the foam man.
And i think we had 2 sentries.
Burst of course, but maybe snipers could work too, especially later.
tardy ingot
Problem, the group I play with can’t get past the first alarm half the time
Move away from scans if pablo is close. Pull him away. Then run to scan
Sentries heavily alleviate the waves
tardy ingot
For the first half of the level we just fed the foam man.
This is just to pseudo cheese the full room s scan
its sadly no rng on spawn point (hell it always SPECIFICALLY spawns in that room) so foaming it permanently is super easy vs fighting waves + snatcher + pablo
dry pumice
Yep. That's how they did it.
tardy ingot
honestly the tp crystal cheese is
its a cheese. Id just try killing everything
dry pumice
When was hel rifle re-added again?....
Because we got lots of new toys since then
And HEL-Rifle definetely makes that level about... 5% easier, maybe.
mossy aurora
alt r3
civic wave
Hel rifle addiction is a sad, sad thing
sturdy glen
mMmm Yummy lines 🖍️
rapid briar
Might be a dumb question, but does anyone have tips for r7e1?
have someone babysit pablo
lunar rain
wouldnt have thought of that
winged turtle
don't do crystal
ocean spindle
crystal croinge
rapid briar
in r8c1 pe
do the waves stop spawning between each timed sequence
when doing overload
after u verify that attempt
ocean spindle
u get shadows if u did sec
otherwise the waves stop right away
but yeah those shadows last a couple mins spawning probs so u like get incentivized to do all of em back to back
but u can kill the first entire wave, loot all the other zones now that they are unlocked and then continue
spiral geode
anyone know if lugubrious and crimson grit are still available
grizzled widget
Is it? I thought it got added to the RNG pool
(Lugubrious)
grizzled widget
It's just hearsay from a guy who obtained it over a year ago.
Interesting the wiki just lists "rundown 6" though, as if it were still available
And not alt// or og//
frail heart
it would make it more clear
grizzled widget
I was simply under the impression they were all made retroactively avaliable with the launch of alt//r1, which was supported by the time by what others were saying (I already have it, so couldn't test)
frail heart
cause i mean rn people dont say alt r whatever they just say r6 or r1
civic wave
It says Rundown 6.0 at the top, then chronologically goes down before settling on ALT://Rundown 6.0 (and then R7/8)
like if you scroll down enough it becomes pretty clear
grizzled widget
I'm on mobile
frail heart
cant say much
soft crater
like if you scroll down enough it becomes pretty clear
unfortunately not many people read wiki's thoroughly or take everything in the wiki to be true
civic wave
I mean, I don't really expect people to have great comprehension or reasoning skills to begin with
confirmation bias plays a part though, I'm sure there's more people who've figured it out than not, but they don't come and ask about it, because they figured it out
frail heart
fair
soft crater
confirmation bias is terrible
*has had 1 guy constantly tell me 8 foam blobs is full foam and 9 is just the animation
turbid horizon
jagged shore
isn't there something weird that, if you don't stack any foam blobs then you need 10 but if you do then you need 9?
soft crater
yes
soft crater
My guess is that in their "testing" they didn't account for stacked blobs
grizzled widget
Much blob
grizzled widget
My guess is that in their "testing" they didn't account for stacked blobs
Which is funny because it's literally a charge up splatter foam, not semi-auto
frail heart
*has had 1 guy constantly tell me 8 foam blobs is full foam and 9 is just the an...
thats funny when i was a noob i got told that as well
i say was very lightly
hidden ridge
This is why I never understand foam % boosters
That's just a cost reduction on how much a charge costs in terms of "foam ammo", I did a couple of very "basic" tests a while ago
soft crater
fact unchecked
k
rigid spoke
are any guns considered universally meta? what is a general rating on the Double Tap rifle and the Short Rifle? These are the weapons I use frequently atm, sometimes taking the Koning sniper if there are lots of giants.
sturdy glen
are any guns considered universally meta? what is a general rating on the Double...
yes
digital mural
double tap rifle is a really good gun
upper ginkgo
not really
rigid spoke
the Short Rifle is bad? i normally get a pretty high hs% by my own standards, so it kills small melee enemies in around 3 bullets which seems efficient to me
ocean spindle
but it's difficult
digital mural
the Short Rifle is bad? i normally get a pretty high hs% by my own standards, so...
it kills but compared to other stuff it falls down really low
rigid spoke
does the double tap skill ceiling extend past just shooting things in the head?
ocean spindle
the Short Rifle is bad? i normally get a pretty high hs% by my own standards, so...
short rifle it's literally the main rifle in the main slot, but with more mag and reload and less stagger
so it's really not ideal
upper ginkgo
the Short Rifle is bad? i normally get a pretty high hs% by my own standards, so...
it's the damage fall off that kills it
ocean spindle
the machinegun does more while being full auto staggering a hella ton and havin about the same reload cancel
sturdy glen
if youre good at hs youd be better off with revo
rigid spoke
hmmm
ocean spindle
does the double tap skill ceiling extend past just shooting things in the head?
u gotta hit a headshots and then a bodyshot with both bullets of the burst, always
otherwise it kinda loses its efficiency
so u gotta control the recoil
rigid spoke
the machinegun seems hard to land consistent bullets (maybe a skill issue?) i feel like i miss about 25% of the bullets at least i fire with the gun so it loses efficiency for me
sturdy glen
this guy gets it
rigid spoke
and revolver type guns seems very punishing on a miss so the short rifle strikes a balance at least for me so far
sturdy glen
finally
ocean spindle
u can always burst the mg, not hold it full auto
it does take a lil of practice
revo isn't really that punishing
sturdy glen
and revolver type guns seems very punishing on a miss so the short rifle strikes...
it is yea, but short rifle is punishing on a hit
ocean spindle
cause it reloads at the speed of light
sturdy glen
(missing in general is always punishing)
rigid spoke
so u gotta control the recoil
i can control the vertical recoil pretty easy since i play on 6400 dpi and default sens ingame and i havent noticed any sideways recoil
so the double tap is a good rifle to stick with?
upper ginkgo
plus even if you don't lead a head on revolver you still do like 75% of a striker's hp
rigid spoke
which revolver do you mean? there is a mastaba revolver, and some others?
sturdy glen
just in case you werent aware, mains are objectively weaker than specials
ocean spindle
so the double tap is a good rifle to stick with?
if u hit ur shots sure
if u want somethin more rangey u could aways try dmr
sturdy glen
so that should impact your choice of "rifle"
rigid spoke
hmm
rigid spoke
sorry by revolver what type of revolver did you mean
upper ginkgo
mastaba
ocean spindle
the special one
sturdy glen
yes
rigid spoke
is the high calibre pistol not nearly as good as the mastaba revolver?
they seem like similar high power handguns to me
afaik there is no stats page for guns
at least in game
sturdy glen
yea in game is super vague (its really annoying)
revo has like
roughly double the ammo for half the damage
and a lot faster reload
upper ginkgo
yeah for reference strikers have 20hp, chargers have 30hp
revo does 14ish and high cal does 30
ocean spindle
ones basically a lightning fast high skill ceiling small taker
the other a high dmg bodyshot weapon that's slow
rigid spoke
these are bodyshot numbers?
sturdy glen
yes
sturdy glen
so high cal does not benefit from headshots cuz it will already kill them but you get half as much ammo (this is the trade off)
high cal is a lot more generally usable but revo efficiency and range is very valuable if you can play it well
(and uptime)
though both have pretty good uptime for specials
theres a lot of nuance in breakpoints but ammo and body shots vs hs is probably all you should care about for now
modest monolith
guns are guns
hammer is the eternal and almighty weapon that you will ever need
feral cypress
hammer almighty
peak geode
Hi!
Trying to figure something out here: what is the usefullness of Regen Speed, since you rarely wanna go under 20% and it won't heal you over 20% (right?)?
Is it just to clutch that regen up to 20%?
native sun
Ye.
Also niche cases when you stack with regen cap.
Also also niche cases where you can use it to 'out regen' infection (you still hit regen cap, but 20 is better than 15)
dry pumice
Hi!
Trying to figure something out here: what is the usefullness of Regen Speed...
Some people find playing under 20% liberating, since its technically infinite health if you can space out taking damage, thus you can do silly things like not caring about fall damage.
It has very limited use in normal combat by itself, since you still have to regen, uh... 5 HP before you can take another hit from a striker.
BUT if you combine it with something like 25%+ regen cap (regen back to 25 HP = can take 3 bites before going down) - then you become quite a hard to kill bastard and can clutch dodgy situations or simply come out alive from situations you wouldn't otherwise.
Same effect if you combine it with damage resist boosters >20%
With all that being said - its still a D tier booster at best. Personally i find them useless and just delete them on sight.
It doesn't help that - if i remember correctly - there's a delay before health regen kicks in, so the value in open combat is further debased like that.
They'd have to provide these boosters with crazy values - at least double of what they have now - before i'll even consider them.
...or they could reduce regen delay as well, but its too late for that.
serene pilot
booster tierlist when
peak geode
Some people find playing under 20% liberating, since its technically infinite he...
Thank you!
lone mortar
booster tierlist when
no
cause tierlist is for vets to make and they dont use them
very sad
sick mauve
booster tierlist when
glowstick proximity SSS tier
hard nexus
cause tierlist is for vets to make and they dont use them
only thing vets make is bad advice and misinfo
time to make our own tierlists with blackjack and scouts
lone mortar
time to make our own tierlists with blackjack and scouts
eh why not
soft crater
frail heart
hmm
hidden ridge
Boosters tierlists wouldn't make much sense since some are highly map-dependant (bioscan speed kinda, but especially inf resist)
tardy ingot
you can still generally rank them
it just wont necessarily tell you if smth is where it is for a specific map or not at first glance
but booster tierlists are anyway
little pilot
fog repeller booster is superior to every other booster in every other way
past mesa
fog repeller booster is superior to every other booster in every other way
Tbh fog repeller boost and glow stick booster
Should probs start you with fogs or a glowie so you can use the boosters always
Then they would be pretty good ngl
little pilot
r3a2 lawless fog repeller booster makes the level 10 times easier
past mesa
it just wont necessarily tell you if smth is where it is for a specific map or n...
Yeah detox can be best booster or like a 0/10
hard nexus
negative booster condition tier list
hidden ridge
When boosters were introduced, I'm pretty sure some had as a condition "near a glowstick" which kinda made glowsticks have a bit more usefulness
hard nexus
poke sleeping giants
rigid spoke
and is there a reason to press this button instead of charge weapon left click and kill
is this joke
or
hard nexus
no
rigid spoke
why would you want to do this instead of hit
hard nexus
u can cancel charge with right click if u think u wanna stop
but shoving prevents enemies from screaming if u fucked up ohk stealth
honestly? i never fucking use shoving
but melee cancel is useful
rigid spoke
yes i understand melee cancel
but yes the right click
like
hit with the handle
i dont see a usecase
for this
jagged shore
can be useful if there's suddenly a dude on you about to lick
shovel them to cancel the lick then charge
saves health
hard nexus
or when backtracking
sprint + right click do some animations
you can also poke sleeping giants and they wont wake up
jagged shore
or quick shove when sprinting with a gun out or smth and running through an enemy to, again, shove them to stop the lick and get your hits in before they do
ocean spindle
yeah for enemy attacks and scream cancels its very good
people just sleep a lot on it
ocean spindle
skill issue
sturdy glen
shove is fairly useful yea
especially with hammer stagger nerf
main use case is enemy inside of you on a team scan
actually using the shove when you reload cancel is also a nice optimization
sturdy glen
or quick shove when sprinting with a gun out or smth and running through an enem...
shoving through enemies very good ^
though im more of a fan of slide shooting them to get them out of the way
civic wave
I think if your reload cancel button timings are perfect it doesn't make a difference whether you shove or swap between guns (or that's what I remember hearing) but yeah shoving is often easier
ocean spindle
i kinda feel a cooldown between swappin weapons but might just be me
sturdy glen
theres pull out animation but thats about it
I dont think thats what you mean tho right
sturdy glen
I think if your reload cancel button timings are perfect it doesn't make a diffe...
based ppl rebind shove to a thumb button so its much easier
jagged shore
that's what i have as well yeah
forward mouse is shove, back mouse is teammate info
lunar rain
based ppl rebind shove to a thumb button so its much easier
I have been told I am insane for doing this
Like insane in a bad way
hidden ridge
based ppl rebind shove to a thumb button so its much easier
Wait that's considered weird? I did that since I started playing
hard nexus
tfw only three buttons on mouse
pseudo coyote
shove is fairly useful yea
Another underrated use case is melee camping ladders.
because shove is aoe, u can shove all enemies coming off of a ladder allowing ur team to reliably clear huge waves off ladders without taking any damage
this was super op when the bug to shove with same speed as light tap still existed
tho even with that fixed, having 2 people alternate shoves or even just 1 person shoving seems to work fine
past mesa
doing R1C1 atm
R1c1 is pretty good
But you can just take a bio
Then use it
And it is so much better
wraith onyx
actually is secondary and overload worth doing
i have did afew but compared to extra challenges they feel more like extra chores to do
ocean spindle
i have did afew but compared to extra challenges they feel more like extra chore...
its quality depends on the level, theres some that the level IS the scondary
but usually depends on like ur skill n stuff and if u feel if its too hard
they r just usually brag rights too soo
they add fun but ah
lone mortar
i have did afew but compared to extra challenges they feel more like extra chore...
Just extra carriage for dem walmart bags
rare blade
is the sniper sentry still good even without bioscan?
Take burst, it’s always better tbh, sniper sentry requires a good position and a long sight line. Without either it’s useless most of the time
Also you don’t need a bio tracker for a sentry to shot them unless there a shadow
But your in R1 so don’t even worry about that till much later
ocean spindle
Take burst, it’s always better tbh, sniper sentry requires a good position and a...
r1c1 has both good positions and long sight lines
also bio works with or without sentries its just a good tool to use always
so having a sniper its good
ocean spindle
yeah
rare blade
actually is secondary and overload worth doing
If ur a complistionist like me its a requirement, otherwise 90% of the time no it’s not “needed” sometimes you do have to go in like a secondary for the loot
I think it’s a certain E mission with a tank error alarm is the best example I can think of
wraith onyx
alr thanks
hard nexus
actually is secondary and overload worth doing
Actually no, they only used to give additional cosmetics in og rundowns as opposed to ALTs.
But, now that steam achievements are here, you might wanna do them again
hard nexus
Yea yea yea yea but you were never encouraged to do them until like r4a3 which is playing boring without them
Look at it like this if u know u know but new players are never ever encouraged to so them outside achievements
frail heart
Yes they are what?
Also never encouraged to do them until r4a3? thats literally the 3rd level with optionals
hard nexus
I mean that r4a3 is literally fucking nothing without em
Other levels are fine
It's only in og r6 and r7 that they give you cosmetics for doing them. The moment alt r4 releases and you notice they don't = fukken useless objectives impossible to enjoy game
Big problem
frail heart
Optional objectives have some of the best content and fun content in the game
hard nexus
Yes
But what I find weird is outside of -,-,-,- and achievements they are never encouraged to be done
And so we have uhhhhhh are they even worth it questions
frail heart
Well , they are
the games objective isnt to collect cosmetics or anything, its to enjoy and play the game
optional objectives are literally just extra levels inside levels
Most of the time
You dont play the game for cosmetics, you play it to have fun
Without optionals, the game would be worse
hard nexus
So what you're saying r1-3 are bad
hardy grotto
I think you’re intentionally missing the point
hard nexus
Yes
hardy grotto
a lot of good levels with great optionals would be missing some of the best things in the game
Imagine r5c2 without the thunderdome
Honestly the reactor could go and I think I’d live
but there’d actually be 0 reason to play that level again
imagine r5a2, that level would be so forgettable
hard nexus
0 reason to play any level again yet here we are
frail heart
No
hardy grotto
0 reason for you to play any level, sure
frail heart
I play r4e1 because i love the reactor
If there was no reactor, i would play it WAY less
There are many good levels with no optionals
tardy ingot
Honestly the reactor could go and I think I’d live
Remove the main 
frail heart
But the ones with optionals enhance the experience (usually) a lot
tardy ingot
r5c2 optionals are both banger
frail heart
and harder
tardy ingot
the only reason i dont spam that level is main
frail heart
T3-E2 moment
hardy grotto
I just never do r5
tardy ingot
true
frail heart
R5 has some good ass levels
tardy ingot
R5 replayability is 
frail heart
But also some DOGSHIT ones
frail heart
Lmaoooo
hardy grotto
hands down the worst duo I’ve ever done
frail heart
That sounds painful
hard nexus
Just door bug smh
frail heart
Average 100 hour player
hardy grotto
surely no one would notice why there’s no enemies on the alarms
frail heart
Literally had a guy door bugging on r3a3
Back on the other thing
I really like some of r5's levels
r5d2 is good af
hard nexus
Average 100 hour player
No, average eastern Europe player
frail heart
r5b1 is good without secondary
tardy ingot
r5 rly suffers from being tedious even for the good levels
tardy ingot
even r5b1ovl
Random ass zones to get there
tardy ingot
its ok
frail heart
r5 is like the ultimate hot and cold of rundowns
tardy ingot
its a shoot only
hard nexus
I always get confused in r5b2 like where to go where the fuck is secondary what order aaaaa
tardy ingot
R5D2 is probably the only level i dont have any issues with tbh
R5C2 is sick but main… just tedious
frail heart
R5D2 is probably the only level i dont have any issues with tbh
same
I think r5e1 cell skip is good
Tbh never played the level normally
hard nexus
Cell throw is eh
frail heart
Cell skip?
hard nexus
Yea
frail heart
Ah okay
hard nexus
Cell throw
hard nexus
Idk if I do
frail heart
god i love the mom pull
hard nexus
I don't even remember the layout of the level past the first alarm on top of error
So I'm not good on any strat
Some Serbian guy door bugged it for me with better bots but I wanna do it legit
But I'm overseas so no team
frail heart
cell skip is fun
hard nexus
To be fair pre r8 no one bothered to play the game much either so
frail heart
difficult but fun
hard nexus
I think last time we had a proper cell skip attempt we wiped at the last alarm and called it
After like 8 tries
So yeah
lone mortar
I never cell skipped R5E1 nor reactor skipped R6D1
real
beepo is so based for playing 100%
small zealot
in the settings the game mentions "shadow maps" twice
is that referring to the dark maps or maps with shadow enemies in them
fallen kite
in the settings the game mentions "shadow maps" twice
is that referring to the ...
shadow maps are how shadows are actually added to a gam
it's nothing to do with how dark the maps are or shadow enemies
settings affecting the shadow maps will affect the quality of all shadows
civic wave
I'm guessing this is about shadow quality and resolution options
fallen kite
yes
civic wave
I don't know those do and don't affect
native sun
god i love the mom pull
Chill strat goes hard, but also the old strat of just pull the room, sit in a corner and pray while chaos starts raining goes pretty hard too
native sun
Watching the speedruns for it looks so good
It is unbelievably fun, highest quality GTFO available
frail heart
i wanna run it lmaooo
hard nexus
However much yellow syringe gives
fallen kite
like boosters
^
digital mural
unfortunate
hard nexus
Well there you have it
hidden ridge
Nah afaik 2 perfect occi hammer fullcharge are enough (bug with desync)
soft crater
However much yellow syringe gives
Yellow Syringe gives a 3x boost.
Welp I see it was mentioned already but
Ye
civic wave
(enemy hp)/(full charge damage) x (charged weapon precision multiplier) x (enemy precision multiplier) x (back damage multiplier)
rapid briar
👽
solemn flint
I was gone about a month after r8 was in the game
civic wave
I mean no patch is dedicated to optimisation but it's possible that one or two improvements happened here or there over time
solemn flint
Its feel weird having more fps than what i normally have
civic wave
oh so that's like no patches since you were gone other than buffing sniper and changing tumours, then reverting the change to tumours
ocean spindle
oh so that's like no patches since you were gone other than buffing sniper and ...
also the bug fixing patch no?
or was that before a month?
the r8b4 nerf n stuff
civic wave
i have no idea lmao
ocean spindle
i think that also happened so
now im curious
in r8b3 sec, i think the snatchers wouldve been funner but whats the general opinion
one tank or two snatchers better
fallow crystal
Is it common to get booted back to the main menu, if so any way to prevent that? Been in R5A1 (Solo with Bots) in the secondary area and just got thrown back into the main menu. Not even the lobby and Artifact Heat is at 100%, as if I never even attempted it just now
civic wave
sounds like losing connection
doesn't usually happen, if it's consistent you'd definitely want to take a look at sorting that out
if not, well, not much to do unfortunately
fallow crystal
doesn't usually happen, if it's consistent you'd definitely want to take a look ...
Hasn't happened for any missions I've done in R1-3 so far
civic wave
shouldn't need to worry about anything then, but still sucks
valid plank
Is this a bug? in R4B3, Zone 40, (forgot the area) enemies can spawn directly behind the terminal after uplink started.
dry pumice
Sound like a bug
hard nexus
is it a bug if it happens consistently?
the zone 40 uplink has a specific tile
on that tile enemies always spawn behind the terminal
i might be wrong but i recall that tile being notorious for that
i just dont remember if there are other levels with it
its a small section of the room past the small stairs
but even if that section counts as a room divider (which by the looks of it, it shouldnt) it would only be one room away, not two
yet they constantly just spawn there on your ass
civic wave
no I think I know exactly what happened
there's a room divider behind the terminal, the zone only has 3 rooms, and you either had someone spawnblocking in A or nobody spawnblocking in C
if everyone stands in B the enemies can probably either spawn in C, behind you, or in A
hard nexus
why the fuck is the tile structured in a way where u dont wanna spawnblock that part of the room because the doors are in opposite direction
why cant they spawn two rooms away from other zones
zone having only three rooms never matters in other levels
civic wave
it's an uplink and the standard rule for uplinks is that enemies must spawn in the same zone (with a few exceptions, e.g r5c3, r6d2, where uplink zones only have 1 room)
hard nexus
Guess I never really noticed that