gtfo-related-questions

[odd pasture]

damn, x would be so much better here

[dry pumice]

Eh

Its anti-small gun

Easy to use more less, just doesn't feel right in hands.

Death by thousand cuts kinda situation.

Improve recoil, improve ammo, maybe buff reload time a tiny itsy bit more and it could've been a great gun

[sturdy glen]

arb got buffed as well so the ammo gap is kinda real now

but idk just take neither mg nor har LOL

[odd pasture]

its nice at taking out the small bugs but I mean, so many other weapons that do the job better

however, when I was doing r6c3 pe duo, it was amazing there

fringe usecase though

[dry pumice]

You know what's funny

Short Rifle will totally replace it once it doesn't suck

Its pretty much HAR in semi auto firing mode

[sturdy glen]

they shouldve just given har short rifles ammo and not added the weapon to the game

[dry pumice]

Hell, an argument could be made to take it over HAR even in their current states

[odd pasture]

that'd be great tbh

[dry pumice]

Despite sucking ass - it somehow is very fun to use, as opposite to HAR which is not fun to use at all.

It's quite hilarious how that works.

[odd pasture]

is har not fun to use?

[sturdy glen]

I love using har

but even with that much ammo it still wouldnt compete

[dry pumice]

I hate firing HAR on full auto

[odd pasture]

I default to tapping, but occasional full auto is alright

[dry pumice]

The feedback on hitting enemies is... I can't put my finger on it, but it ain't right.

I take full autos to hold LMB, if i wanted to tap - there are weapons that do that better.

So if the gun's SHIT when i do that - why would i bother.

[odd pasture]

I actually really really like the har for tapping

hard stagger on the small fellas with a single headshot feels nice

but end of the day, its meh

[sturdy glen]

idk I take har because it can do both

[dry pumice]

The gun's recoil is not horrible, but its like in a perfect golden-shit-spot where its not so bad i could actually complain, but its annoying enough that it tilts me

[sturdy glen]

its the only reason its like

the sole auto I actually like

(besides old pdw but that was just cuz of the reload cancel and thermal making it really fun to play with)

[dry pumice]

Maybe recoil's really is the problem

If the gun was just special bullpup it would probably ended up being my favorite

[odd pasture]

make har busted, give it like 8 damage

one head one body on strikers

[dry pumice]

Can you believe that it used to be worse? It was 0 recoil, then they nerfed it so bad the gun instantly became an F-tier that no one wanted to use, then they kinda buff it to have "some" recoil, but its still enough that people just don't bother

Hipfire kinda cringe too, now that i think about it.

[sturdy glen]

2 shot would be fire

[dry pumice]

As a said: death by a thousand cuts. Recoil is just enough to annoy you, reload speed is 0.2s too long, ammo runs out like immediately, hipfire is useless... Just not pleasant to use.

[odd pasture]

I think on head one body on striker, and two tap head on shooters would make it into a really nice gun

[sturdy glen]

honestly

6.5 damage

[dry pumice]

You only need 6.0 damage for that

[sturdy glen]

on the dot

so it gets charger stagger too

1 + 1 on striker and shooter

[odd pasture]

would it head body a striker with 6.5 dmg?

[sturdy glen]

yees

[dry pumice]

Yes

It would with 6.0 even

[sturdy glen]

like artek said, only need 6 for that

[dry pumice]

It got a very rare x0.8 prec which is what allows it to do that

[odd pasture]

oh the head multi is 3, idk why I thought it was 2

mb

[dry pumice]

Wait

It doesn't stagger charger with one bullet?

[sturdy glen]

nope

[dry pumice]

x1?

[sturdy glen]

charger stagger is 6.5

striker is 5

[dry pumice]

that's an oof

No wonder it felt like shit against chargers too

[sturdy glen]

ye

[odd pasture]

with 6.5 dmg itd be amazing

[dry pumice]

Alright, i'm with chill then

Make it 6.5 if we can rework ammo to compensate

[odd pasture]

has there ever been a "community balance patch" ?

[sturdy glen]

it would also insta lose the stagger when hitting falloff start

[dry pumice]

I'm every ready to settle for mag size of 25 on 2.0 reload

[sturdy glen]

theres mods for it but nothing official

[dry pumice]

There was "once"

[sturdy glen]

I would also love a hel har but thats a different topic

[dry pumice]

They dropped an amazing patch that buffed majority of underpowered weapons

...and then promptly nerfed half of them again

Bullpup used to be good for a whole 2 months 😭

[odd pasture]

I was kinda thinking of that too, but maybe not with 6.5dmg then

itd be nuts then

[sturdy glen]

yeye

[frail heart]

Bullpup is good to everyone at some point lololol

[sturdy glen]

I just want more pen gameplay

pen is so fun

[odd pasture]

but a hel assault rifle sounds dope as hell

[sturdy glen]

and autopistol is not pen gameplay

[frail heart]

autopistol is like a flashbang

[odd pasture]

water pistol

[quartz prairie]

My favorite

[frail heart]

nerf pistol

[sturdy glen]

ngl I might start playing around with like

significant balance changes when playing with the bois

[frail heart]

W

[sturdy glen]

been meaning to play more with tru's rebalance mod but we just do vanilla for whatever reason

ingrained in the brain

[odd pasture]

would it be difficult for a newbie to make their own balance patch?

its just changing values in a json file, right?

[sturdy glen]

I know nothing about uploading to thunderstore or w/e but

you can download someone elses rebalance mod

and then just edit their json files yea

and it just works

its very funny

[civic wave]

I don't suppose that means you can edit the config in r2mm and get instant cheats

[frail heart]

editing gun stats is very easy

[civic wave]

I don't think it would but hey

[frail heart]

Yeah you can

I gave pistol 100 dmg very easily

[sturdy glen]

you basically can yea

[grizzled patrol]

100% there is a Tutorial on YouTube Made by an Indian or korean on this topc

[frail heart]

Theres these guys that stream on twitch who literally just buffed the shit out of their stuff so they can one shot hybrid with knife from the front

Very cringe

[grizzled patrol]

10x Critical damage on liver

[frail heart]

100x crit damage on large intestine

[peak geode]

If you tap your "crouch" key while holding down sprint the character does an audible and somewhat visible slide. Interspace quick slides (tap Crouch, wait ~1s, tap Crouch to rise) during a sprint to extend your stamina, since you don't use stamina during the slide.

You can def slide-sprint all the way back.

[tardy ingot]

you will get to the insane stamina speed drop down on that run everytime. So its better to reset, shoot, reload and all during it

Plus sliding is only a very minimal advantage anyway

[hard nexus]

i use sliding in combat mostly

[grizzled patrol]

If you are a Client and know that the way to extraction doesnt have any Sharp Turns, Just Bhop through all of it

[soft crater]

Minmax

[slow mist]

hmm never tried that

didnt know u can even slide

[rapid briar]

wtf is the point of even playing then

[frail heart]

There isnt lmao

They gave shotgun sentry infinite ammo to beat r2d2

[rapid briar]

wow

[lone mortar]

frostys other half

[fiery ore]

Any veterans here?

[civic wave]

depends what your definition of a veteran is and what you want to ask

but generally the answer is yes, these people are always around

[topaz anvil]

sadly

[lunar rain]

thats just sad

[rare blade]

@frail heart can you help me with R5D1 when you can

Reyynai said go f yourself again 😭

[civic wave]

ah christ here we go again

can't wait for the next screenshot

[arctic marten]

what are you talking about

[civic wave]

I am part of a regular mailing list

[arctic marten]

what are you talking about

im just trying to answer some gtfo related questions

[civic wave]

I'm sorry, but as an AI language model, I can't engage in real-time conversations or remember previous interactions with users.

[arctic marten]

haha me neither

I do not condone my previous actions

[raw yacht]

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[winged turtle]

8675309

[frail heart]

103.23.257.129

[worn crow]

uplink time

[mental furnace]

257
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[ocean spindle]

hello! u can check the LFG channels to share n join lobbies! the instructions are in https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/653623062964731920

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel

[digital mural]

i think you are a bit late

[ocean spindle]

ik

i was asleep

but no one said it so like

[digital mural]

chair sleeping

:0

[ocean spindle]

🪑 💤

[arctic marten]

be careful responding to that message, I responded to it and got a warning from cho

[late warren]

danke

[rare blade]

i got pinged what happened?

[upper ginkgo]

your kind is going extinct

[digital mural]

cringe

eat them

[upper ginkgo]

mfw pandas choose the most shit food source and have no good way of dealing with natural predators

[rare blade]

orea

oreo*

[digital mural]

oreo deez

[ocean spindle]

ok :3

[ocean spindle]

uwu

[potent walrus]

Are GTFO missions doable with just 2 or do you need a full squad?

[austere bronze]

probably every expedition is doable with 2 + 2 bots

just not optimal

experienced player can duo anything but realistically you play with bots

[surreal lake]

I play duo with bots, aside from E missions which take a considerable amount of patience, no problems

[fierce walrus]

Yes but you will run into levels that although doable will be an absolute pain

thats most E tiers and some D tiers

[potent walrus]

So the lower letters are harder?

[surreal lake]

Lower you go, harder the game becomes. E missions in particular require you to complete all other missions in the rundown to unlock them.

[slow mist]

so i may be really bad

not gonna lie maybe i should stop haha

[fierce walrus]

are you struggling with the early levels a lot?

[slow mist]

ngl been stuck on the same lvl for 3 days

mostly because i suck at conserving ammo or health

[fierce walrus]

thats normal with some levels or when you are starting out

or playing with bots

what level is it?

[lone mortar]

i can help

[slow mist]

its the same one u left me on

r1b2

[lone mortar]

oh

lmao

[slow mist]

IM BAD

its like i either have alot of ammo but no health or alot of health and no ammo

theres no inbetween

and i always die at the end

[wintry kayak]

resource management gets more straightforward once you get better at making the trade between those two

Usually you use guns when you want to conserve hp and melee when you want to conserve ammo at the potential cost of hp

although at most alarms there’s really no choice because running into waves of 15 is pretty tough with melee unless you’re very experienced (and you also have to scan, making guns that much more convenient)

are you playing solo?

because if you are, getting through R1A1 solo is already quite an achievement

[hard nexus]

well

this is a game where u git gud

unironically

[sage pulsar]

on which stages is it an achievement to clear (any sectors, idk) with 3 bots? (maybe r7c1)

[dry pumice]

Like literal steam achievement or is just considered hard?

[sage pulsar]

eh just hard

[dry pumice]

Literall any E, some Ds...

[sage pulsar]

only some Ds?

[bronze stag]

loadout choice, strategy, etc can all help with that. you might want an ammo-efficient weapon if you can land your shots

[dry pumice]

Only some

R1D1 and R2D1/2 are fairly reliable to be bot-beaten.

[bronze stag]

you might also be burning through ammo trying trying to kill giants when your loadout isn't meant for it

[dry pumice]

R2D1 is annoying and R2D2 will require like 2 attempts to learn the map, but otherwise its not as bad as people make it out to be. Hell, i find R2D2 to be actually easier with bots than random players, because people are too flawed when it comes to shooting things.

[sage pulsar]

what should I go try then?

D levels

[dry pumice]

How about R3D1

[sage pulsar]

where can I find bots clearing E

[dry pumice]

Reasonably hard, but nothing too crazy

[bronze stag]

tell that to my friends lol, we keep failing R2D2 around wave 8

[soft crater]

teammate and I make eye contact in the extraction scan with loaded guns

[dry pumice]

What level? Bot solo, true solo, proper teams?

[dry pumice]

I can imagine. When i was LFG pubbing it the level made itself look very mean. Then i did some bot runs for shits and giggles and found it to be low key fun.

...except for bots occasionally suddenly dropping 50 points in IQ and doing the most stupid shit known to man, like getting caught on corner edge and just staring at an enemy slowly nibbling it to death...

Otherwise...

I honestly think the 2 things player squad fail are good holding positions and that one scout room.

Just hold the bridge, too many people try holding weird siderooms and getting themselves swarmed in close quarters

[grand elm]

If i would have to give you an advice on that is to pick weapons that have either burst/single shot firing

[neon coral]

is there a reason why there is no info about rundown 8 expeditions, but their enemies on the wiki?

[grand elm]

good question

[dry pumice]

Describing enemies easy, describing a whole level hard and long

[neon coral]

If that is the case, it adds another question: Why go indepth at almost all levels up until R7C2 when it just stops after that

[dry pumice]

Big shrug

Anyone can contribute

I guess there was a highly motivated individual, and he's not very motivated anymore

[neon coral]

fair enough

[dry pumice]

Fellas, do you think buffing Short Rifle to x2 or x3 stagger could fix it?

[neon gust]

fellas im stuck in r1c1 i need help

i tried using 4x autosentries

i dont know what to do

😡

[soft crater]

Heldogshit just doesn't work

Smfh

[neon gust]

but the auto pistol its better !

I tried kiting wave 6 thru 8 and it didnt work

i play solo ( with bots)

[latent obsidian]

try giving the bots burst rifle will be fine after that

[soft crater]

Probably. 1.4 or to be precise 1.36

But it ain't gonna heppen

[dry pumice]

What's that? A reliable oneshot stagger for chargers or something?

[soft crater]

Ye

[dry pumice]

Would be interesting to see for sure

And will (at least on paper) sound like a fair trade for dogsh*t damage output

[turbid horizon]

Maybe just give it normal stagger tbh

[dry pumice]

How much HP does a striker's head have

For some reason i want to say 10, but not sure. Wiki doesn't seem to know either.

[civic wave]

probably the same as other limb hp

[real kayak]

Hey everyone so I got the game a few days ago was wondering how people felt about diff melee weapons

[steady moon]

Can I get the Santonian Vestis Palette color? Is it a reward if anyone knows? Or gone forever?

[latent obsidian]

general consensus is that the hammer is best. Spear is restrictive in how it lowers your sprint speed when charging, knife is great for smalls but isn't good against giants, and bat is kinda fine I guess, the swing pattern is a little weird to my mind though

[steady moon]

Bat has best stagger tho if you wanna juggle with the knife which is nice

[real kayak]

Ok cool that’s what I started to like more I was enjoying the knife for a few runs because it charges up quick for head shots

[steady moon]

I like hammer just because it one hits 80% of enemies no matter what and can charge while sprinting

[real kayak]

Also weapons I’ve started to lean towards the 2shot burst rifle and auto shotgun and buddy been using a long sniper for the bush with feelers

[steady moon]

Only drawback is stamina consumption

[real kayak]

Oh ok didn’t realize the stamina stuff

[steady moon]

Yea if your pulse gets above 170 - 190 you'll slow down and can take critical damage which sucks

[real kayak]

Oh shit lmao good to know

[dry pumice]

That's not a thing

[steady moon]

Am I wrong?

[dry pumice]

Last i paid attention to veterans' rambling anyway...

[steady moon]

If I am sorry

[lone mortar]

Uhhh

No

[dry pumice]

But i guess i will restate that Hammer is generally THE best melee by a mile. A flawless jack of all trades who can do anything and everything.

[steady moon]

Hm my bad then

Anyway does anyone know if I can get Santonian Vestis or is it not a reward?

[lone mortar]

Theyre all random

[dry pumice]

Knife is great for rapid killing sprees of small enemies, bat is like the missing link between hammer and knife...
And the spear... Spear is, uh... Hard to explain, but in short: its bad.

[steady moon]

But it's still rewardable?

[lone mortar]

[dry pumice]

White and yellow colour pallete? Its a random drop, just keep beating levels and pray for good RNG.

[lone mortar]

Take that back

[steady moon]

Hell yea thanks

[lone mortar]

Right now

Ive seen you run spear all the time artek

I will send you to gulag for this

[dry pumice]

Me running things has no correlation with their meta status

Actually... It has the OPPOSITE correlation

[lone mortar]

Youve made them “good” by running with players that benefits from it

[steady moon]

I've played gtfo a good bit I just redownloaded it 2 days ago and always wanted Santonian Vestis so I didn't know. Also I could've sword when you're pulse gets too high and your health turns yellow you took more damage. Can one of you explain so I know what I got wrong

[lone mortar]

Like me for example

[lone mortar]

No

You just depleted your stamina

[steady moon]

That's all it means?

[lone mortar]

And need to slow down movement to regain that lost breath

[lone mortar]

Mhnm

[dry pumice]

Its just stamina. The higher your pulse - the slower you move. Yellow health bar is an extra reminder that you exhausted yourself.
... I think it should have some negative effect on melee performance, but i have no idea.

[steady moon]

Oh ok I must've just been getting shit on every time I lost it running

[dry pumice]

I find stamina to be very forgiving, but i'm not a speedrunner, so...

[lone mortar]

Mele slowers to be thrown out

[lone mortar]

Slides thru thr map

I see no problem

[steady moon]

I hate speedrunning

[lone mortar]

Back to what i said earlier artek

Youve run stuff that compliments others loadout

[steady moon]

But thanks fellas, I've been wanting santionan vestis since I got the game good to know it's still a reward

[tardy ingot]

the melees charge slower with high stamina
slow down happens at any stam below 100% (or above 70 pulse) but it gets a lot worse above 140

[tardy ingot]

speedrunners at best get annoyed by it in super long tracks with enemies alive, but since managing it is just a mechanic its not rly bad

[lone mortar]

This is noticeable when your pulse reach 110

So you can stop at that point and lay back to have good stam sustain

[tardy ingot]

if you are interested in checking out veteran opinions id recommend professor scalers melee weapons guide or the "sleeper podcast" which talks over the melee, main and special weapons

[real kayak]

Ok thanks

[steady moon]

I have another question once more. Do secondary and Overloads give more rewards like they used to or nah?

[ocean spindle]

nope
now its just brag rights and artifacts

sad

[steady moon]

At least I got the backpack from r7 so neat

[dry pumice]

Good, it means you are less likely to completely miss out on vestis

[steady moon]

Wym

[ocean spindle]

the pool of some rewards from r6 r7 got opened

so they went into the random pool of completing a level

[steady moon]

Oh dope

I like played gtfo and got SUCKED into it. Then fell off and now I'm back and sucked into it further

[ocean spindle]

so real, gtfo suckin people

i mean wah

[steady moon]

Ok can someone explain to me what the Roman Numerals on security doors mean in detail

I never really understood it

[ocean spindle]

it signifies how many sets of scans u will have to do
for example a class II alarm, u will do the teamscan, and then maybe set of four individual scans and then itll end
but for a class V, u will do the team scan, then maybs a big red one, 4 reds, big one, 4 reds and itll end

[steady moon]

Ohhh

[rapid briar]

it’s just the number of distinct scans @steady moon

for the door to open

[steady moon]

Yea

[rapid briar]

though certain alarm types like S (sustain), the level of the alarm doesn’t tell much of anything because that has varied length

[steady moon]

Time to teach my friends so we can maybe do r8

[latent obsidian]

have you done the other ones already?

[steady moon]

Not all completely, bits and pieces of each, we finished r1 r3 and r7

I know r8 is gonna be a pain

[latent obsidian]

Okay cool, just checking 😛 R8 is pretty hard

[steady moon]

Yea I saw some vids

[rapid briar]

👽

[real kayak]

Do enemy’s keep coming until scan alarm is done? Or is a certain amount that come

[latent obsidian]

they keep coming until its complete

[real kayak]

Figured ty

[lunar rain]

Never enough

[merry lava]

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[tribal tusk]

Hey all, any tips for being R2D2? My squad & I have been stumped on it for a few days now

[latent obsidian]

What wave are you losing on, and what is causing it?

[ocean spindle]

hello! u can check the LFG channels to share n join lobbies! the instructions are in https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/653623062964731920

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
and if you are new be sure to do the tutorial first [on the top left] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[tribal tusk]

We mostly struggle with dealing with the waves in the later reactor stages, (6th wave after both security doors are open), and we end up alerting the first scout room which means we have to use a lot of resources to deal with that wave

Is 1 biotracker, 3 sniper sentries the best strategy in terms of tools?

[surreal lake]

I'd recommend watching Professor Scaler's guide to it. There is a specific room to hold on for later waves and a lot of the other half of the mission requires a decent amount of knowing the tileset + being quick with melee/stealth.

[latent obsidian]

I would probs take 1 or two burst sentries instead of sniper sentries, but otherwise the tool loadout sounds fine. If resources are streched make sure you are taking and using things in the zones you are exploring as much as possible and leave the resources in the reactor room for the end where you will have a few waves back to back without exploration

[tribal tusk]

I've watched that video! Are you talking about around the corner thru the one security door? We haven't tried holding that spot, we were just worried about having a problem dealing with the waves in a small choke point like that

[latent obsidian]

Scalers guide probably has some cool strats with where to hold but personally I just defend on the bridge the whole mission, have one sentry forwards and one back and just listen out for the roars and watch behind you occasionally

[tribal tusk]

Okay, we've talked about just holding the bridge because most of us think that is the easiest strategy to control

[surreal lake]

Yup, found that the easiest to hold with 2 machineguns and since Sniper sentries are efficient at taking out giants it makes the headache of dealing with hybrids significantly easier since the room is enclosed.

[latent obsidian]

Hybrids can become a problem if left alive too long so its good to have someone watching out for them with a good weapon for dealing with them (burst cannon, choke mod, sniper, scatter if you don't mind getting close)

[tribal tusk]

Hmm interesting

[latent obsidian]

In general just make them a priority to remove cos if you are focusing on dodging those too much the regular enemies are gonna overwhelm you

[tribal tusk]

some of the group is thinking maybe going to Rundown 3 and getting more experience in the game may be better for us too

[upper ginkgo]

yeah that's probably a good idea

[latent obsidian]

R2D2 and R2E1 are certainly a step above the other levels in R2, no harm in going into R3 at this point

[surreal lake]

But ye, the idea of that hold point is funneling enemies in one direction rather than having to deal with multiple angles. Perfectly fine to go to the next expedition too.

[tribal tusk]

im just a completionist so id rather just play it out

but we'll see

thanks for the advice guys~!

[latent obsidian]

You can always come back to it later 🙂

[upper ginkgo]

going completionist route while you're still inexperienced is probably gonna lead to burnout once you get wall'd by the harder levels

[tribal tusk]

yeah i figure you're probably right

[surreal lake]

R4 and R5 are the bane of most players

[upper ginkgo]

only hard rule I would follow for completion order is to do r8 last

[tardy ingot]

can easily place 2 forward, 1 behind (since those are generally the majority of spawns (and they come in bulk vs behind spawns usually getting stretched)

[hidden ridge]

It's a bit of that and a bit of the enemy spawning (and routing) being very weird when you hold in certain positions

[hidden ridge]

Yeah bridge is fine. I dont know if you know this already but in Reactors (I think all but R6D1's Reactor but whatever), enemies are just queueing up if you dont kill them fast enough, so having them spawn far from you can be a negative

[hollow pollen]

is there a new A2 password this week?

tried the one in Pable's name several times and it didn't work

[fierce walrus]

i think it might have changed like an hour ago

or 2

[hollow pollen]

womp womp

[slow mist]

bot solo

sorry i just woke up

[lilac fulcrum]

it wouldn't have changed today, unless somehow microsoft changed when the week starts

[fierce walrus]

oh interesting

[rare blade]

What does SR sentry damage mean

when its like +14%

[mossy aurora]

Short range sentry damage

You can hover over the text and it gives more detail

[rare blade]

like shotgun sentry?

[mossy aurora]

Within x meters

[rare blade]

I tried that and got confused

[mossy aurora]

I forget the distance, but it's close enough where the booster is pretty much useless except with shotgun sentry

[hard nexus]

its like x damage condition is close to enemy

for sentry

[mossy aurora]

If a sniper sentry shoots an enemy that's within that distance it will get the damage boost

Practicality of that booster is low

[rare blade]

oHhHH

Thanks

[hard nexus]

haha turn sniper at us so when enemy runs past it it can apply sr damage

[silk radish]

Pointing a sniper sentry at the team is a brave move

[atomic robin]

"brave" is too much of a flattery

[high delta]

what guns suck and what guns are decent

[ocean spindle]

for mains hel revo its usually top of the line but its a bit hard to use cause u need headshots and know how to reload cancel, but other good contenders are carbine, hel shotgun, sawed off, dmr if u can hit headshots

[digital mural]

everything is decent except slug shotgun and short rifle

👍

[ocean spindle]

and if u like autos heavy smg and pdw are good

[jagged shore]

is that a copypasta you have slendi

[ocean spindle]

on specials pretty puch anythings good except for short rifle, and sniper which both are underpowered

the others r pretty well balanced

[high delta]

aight

[ocean spindle]

for guns no

[ocean spindle]

also rip a2 password pable D:

[digital mural]

https://tenor.com/view/if-you-want-it-then-youll-have-to-take-it-if-you-want-it-gif-20075160

[jagged shore]

ah alright
must be blind then
didn't see it say you were typing lol

[ocean spindle]

ksmdkm it ok

i do kinda repeat a lot of the weapon thing usually

[ocean spindle]

be open to guns its usually the strat, try everything see how u fare and check what u like what u dont like
some weapons are real good but situational so

keep ur mind open

[high delta]

thanks

[jagged shore]

and remember: a gun being good doesn't mean you have to like it or use it :)

[dry pumice]

Don't know if this advice was given before, but:

1. You'll have to be good at stealth, since bots will not assist.
2. Give x2 bots Burst Rifle + Veruta LMG combination (maximum ammo efficiency).
3. Give x1 bot Double Tap Rifle + Burst Cannon combination (he will be the bot that's allowed to actually deal damage).
4. For tools just run x3 sentries assisted by BioTracker.

Mine+foam meta is not very good with bots. You can't permafoam, so #1 value of cfoam is useless to you. And mines are occasionally cool, but only truly needed on select few levels (and not that good without foam assist).
I found running 3 sentries to simply be liberating as you no longer have to depend on doors for effective defense. Predict where enemies come from, point turrets in that direction, they will trickle down the waves to managable levels and you with bots will shoot the rest.
Personally i run a diverse set of all types of sentries. That way i can always take advantage of a particularly good sightline or a corner sleepers get stuck on.
Running x3 bursts is also perfectly viable (if not even more viable).

[ocean spindle]

i dont like bots on doubletap nor burst cannon

i always feel they run out way too fast with those, specially burst cannon

[dry pumice]

Probably, but they actually utilize it well

[ocean spindle]

also ngl u wouldnt permafoam r1b2

but well thats another thing

[dry pumice]

And i fucking love when i occi a giant and Hackett taps him to the ass with BC for an instant kill

[ocean spindle]

sentries is the way on it

[dry pumice]

Saves me so much headache

[ocean spindle]

ah idk i tried it, i felt like they were just kinda staggerin less and not balancing, but idk if that changes with the dtr

i need to drop onto some combat level and just check how they fare

[dry pumice]

Alternatively you can give him slug shotgun for shits and giggles but he will DEFINETELY run out of ammo on that

still hilarious though when they hit their shots

[ocean spindle]

nah the range will just absolutely destroy em

[dry pumice]

And you can afford 1 bot using ammo dispraportionally. Who's gonna use it otherwise? You?

[ocean spindle]

do u think in 3 bot runs bots dont need a couple of refills ksmdkm

[unique bison]

is there any circle kite tutorial video ?

i wanna know how to do it

[cold quarry]

is HEL auto sentry still a meme? did the last buff make it any sort of viable

[ocean spindle]

itss viable in some situations

but mostly just hugely niche

[lone mortar]

Maybe

[rare blade]

The only reason hel auto is treated like a meme is because of how goated burst is. It’s still usable just not the best. It’s still good for charger type waves and basically anything you need to stun repeatedly

[ocean spindle]

for chargers sniper sentrys better ngl

[cold quarry]

i've been running on shotgun sentry copium for a while now, looking to try the others

[rare blade]

Ehh if there hugging the sentry might as well be hel auto but during longer sights yeah

[rare blade]

Blud is not getting past any mission with shotgun sentry 💀

[cold quarry]

bigger issue is duo'ing the entirety of r8 with bots LOL

[ocean spindle]

why would u do that

[cold quarry]

i got 1 friend that plays this game regularly

still

[ocean spindle]

well lfg idk ask ur other friends or make em ksdmkm

[cold quarry]

we're down to r8d2 so we're onto somethin

[rare blade]

Pure cocaine and willpower is all that got you their tbh

Bluds got the Colombian hook up

[ocean spindle]

i mean thats the one that probs sotp u, that and the next one just by the sheer amount of sneakin bots wont do lol

[cold quarry]

i am showing these nightmares that it was man made in god's image

(and 12 gauge)

[ocean spindle]

colombia might make the cocaine but ur the oens to sniff it so

[cold quarry]

we are on attempt #2 of extreme-fog-clear secondary

[cold quarry]

attempt #3

[lone mortar]

Good luck lmao

[cold quarry]

intercept schaeffer at the floodways time

[sullen steppe]

Hello! How bad is the connection across regions? :0
ex. Host is NA, I’m in Asia

[jagged shore]

quick question for anyone that remembers: r7b3 sec, ||how long is the third teleport again?||

[fierce walrus]

2 minutes 40 seconds?

[unique bison]

is there any circle kite tutorial ？

And btw which is harder r2d2 or r2e1

[austere bronze]

is circle kite still a thing

thought it was gone since stamina

and r2e1 is harder of course

[sturdy glen]

you just cant do it forever anymore

[austere bronze]

pre-stamina you just get all the sleepers concentrated into a point and run circles around them

[sturdy glen]

(and also soft collision makes it a little harder)

[austere bronze]

around 3-400 ping

[sullen steppe]

ty, just tested it, doesn't seem too bad other than the initial disconnect

[whole stirrup]

Going to come down to routing but probably like 180-250 ping depending on where in the US. I play from western us to a NZ host often and it’s fine

[jaunty latch]

its playable with high ping as long as your not running a close range loadout

[grizzled patrol]

Just remember, the Higher the ping, the better is Bhop

It becomes much easier to Bhop with heavy items and stealth hop

[soft crater]

Stealth hop is just easier as client in general ain't it?

[hard nexus]

innit bruv

[grizzled patrol]

On Host it doesnt Work

[soft crater]

Ye

From my own testing.

Hosts will just insta wake

But for clients it counts as one instance of disturbance to sleepers

Funny how that works. Though Whenever I do this in beginner/experienced lobbies. Someone will try to mimic me not knowing what I just did

I've built the habit of doing a sideways dodge jump towards some enemies due to this interaction. Unfortunate that dodges eat up stamina outta the ass now

[grizzled patrol]

I remember someone tried doing silent shots after i did it. He woke Up the entire room with 2 Scouts

[soft crater]

Silent shots basically need a degree of moderate ping

Though It's not something I've practiced

[grizzled patrol]

Godspeed for people who try to do it without a macro

[soft crater]

I believe the one time I did it on accident

Was when I blasted a striker with pdw and swapped immediately because I meant to charge my melee.

And turned out I silent shot.

My lag was that bad it worked

[grizzled patrol]

Same. I was so confused when the Second Scout was still snoozin

I was trying to melee a Scout, but He Bent over. So i Shot it in the ass an immediately seitched to Hammer to bonk a Guy next to me

[rapid briar]

Any tips for r6d1? I’ve heard it’s hard

[floral acorn]

snipers

[ocean spindle]

not all 4 snipers

but long ranges

or just one sniper or somethin like that

[floral acorn]

hel rifle ok also

[rapid briar]

so precision rifle

[floral acorn]

is good

[ocean spindle]

u could take two hel rifles or one hel rifle one prec and the rest whatev

that good

sound good

[rapid briar]

kk

I love the hel rifle so

[ocean spindle]

and b prepared
it's a pretty long mission

[floral acorn]

otherwise, shoot gun, find and get res, do alarms, stay alive, say hi to el jefe for us

[ocean spindle]

specially takin it slow

[ocean spindle]

el maestros

[rapid briar]

wait how long

[ocean spindle]

uhhhh if u don't checkpoint, at moderate pace could be 1 30

or so

[floral acorn]

1 30 - 2 ye

[ocean spindle]

if u so fast stealth and pull some rooms probs an hour flat

[floral acorn]

u can of course dutch-oven it, hotbox your way to the end but .. .. 😄

still remember those few chads who soloed or 1botted the og r6d1 hotbox-

sick stuff.

[ocean spindle]

what's hotbox
if it a spoilers use the ||funny||

to not spoil jelly

[tardy ingot]

i dont think r6d1 reactor skip is even possible pure solo

tho it was done with bots (of any numbers) in pretty sick ways

[ocean spindle]

ah

[grizzled patrol]

Go into the Fog and do the big scan. Cant lose in one of the Side sequences If you skip them

[tardy ingot]

oh, its not at all hard

its on the calm side for D-tiers

also wha
Since when is r6d1 a long mission

its like a 1 hour mission, 1h 30 if you play it very safe.

Regarding weapons. You rly would like a sniper or precision rifle.

Hel rifle is nice, but not enough for why

[rapid briar]

what the gourd

[ocean spindle]

i mean there's possibility of checkpointing a lot on the ending parts, given it's not a huge loss but can affect time
and idk i just did it with a moderate pace with a team yesterday, we didn't die and it still took 1 30

we fast stealth we pulled some rooms but still took what it took

[fast stealth as in mostly walkin sometimes runnin]

[floral acorn]

and with any supply candy (if avaialble), u can skip the resource zone bit entirely, saves a lot of times dodging scouts in the fog

might not even need candy

[ocean spindle]

... there's a resource zone?

[tardy ingot]

Checkpointing should never count for run time

yes, but you should only do it if you rly struggle tbh

[floral acorn]

i remember bug-reporting the res-zone locker on the pillar facing the wall days before r7, then in alt-r6 someone bug-reported the exact same thing 😄

[tardy ingot]

generally. Imo 45 min is a normally fast pace, 1 hour is pretty normal

[rapid briar]

[ocean spindle]

OH

that zone

i always thought it was a key spawn

that it could end up there by rng

i was just wondering why i never got it KDMSKDMD

[floral acorn]

class iii was it .. entirely optional, we skipped it a number of times and some run just out of curiosity went in

wyvernking turned the dimension into a mine laser show, was hilarious

[ocean spindle]

brah i need to do a run to go in there i never seen that zone at all

[floral acorn]

besides the fog (after ||spoiler click-bait|| at least) it's actually a fun level to do, just gotta invest the time

el grande jefe felt harder to kill alt- than og- tho, dunno why

[ocean spindle]

i have noticed theres like no medis at all in that zone
last time i did it i found like, 3 4, all like 2 3 uses lol

[junior quiver]

I only now started being invested in the game, so my question is is it necessary to complete all rundowns? I love the lore and would love to know where it leads, but looks like only rundows 7 and 8 have yellow story missions, should i just play those, skipping 6 previous rundowns?

[ocean spindle]

uh well the lores technically on all rundowns, but rundown 6 7 and 8 have more focused story missions where u may get dialogue spoken or just the level objective is important [like the majority of r6 missions which r just kinda enviromental storytelling]
i personally dont think u should skip tho, since while r6 might be easy, r7 r8 and high on the difficulty scale on the later levels, specially r8
id just more recommend startin out on rundown 1 and going slowly to learn about the game the difficulty the enemies etc etc, and just goin in order

and if at some point u get stuck on, rundown 2 D tier levels, u can skip towards rundown 3 and play the early levels to gain practice and come back to those

[junior quiver]

I see, ty

Its just i completed R1B1 in like 2 hours with multiple retries and i dont think ill have time and patience to complete each mission in each rundown lol

[floral acorn]

game with many missions to play, take your pick

once u thru all of r4, either humankind has a new planet somewhere or universe had heat-death.. 🙂

[tardy ingot]

missions generally dont take that long

but you are new (and it sounds like you played it alone/with bots)

Getting more experienced while playing makes r1b1 a casual 20 minute mission

[floral acorn]

(r4 kinda long imo)

[tardy ingot]

^

[ocean spindle]

the only rundown id say probs do top to bottom its r1, just cause it teaches so many basics on levels n objectivs

[tardy ingot]

R2 (up to r2e1) and R3 are good for it aswell

R2 introduces a bunch of new mechanics and R3 is quick and nice

[floral acorn]

r3 is also a good teacher of things.. but feel free to skip around as much as u like

r5* after r1something, u didnt miss any lore-related stuff

[junior quiver]

Had to cheese every alarm with 3 sentry bots yeah

and killing giants stealthy is impossible so had to avoid

[junior quiver]

alrighty ill definitely have focus on the first 3 then

[ocean spindle]

yeah but u dont do those top to bottom, probs leave r2e1 or r3e1 out of the equation

i mean d1

[frail heart]

r3d1 is quite easy

compared to other d tiers

[ocean spindle]

i mean ah yes kinda but still not easy enough for newie

[tardy ingot]

idk why you would call that cheesing

[tardy ingot]

oh its definetly not (harder with 3 bots, but you can even do it completely solo)

[hard nexus]

cough r1d1

cough r2d1

dare i say cough r2d2

[frail heart]

r2d2 is harder

[unique briar]

is it better to get some people with you rather than bots?

[ocean spindle]

um usually yes
bots have their limitations on stealth n doin things on their own, there will be some point [usually at D or E tiers] where u cant do bot runs anymore
also doin missions with people its just generally more fun, as long as they dont carry

[unique briar]

and should i be trying to kill every enemy in a room? or am i just trying to much?

[ocean spindle]

uh for most missions u can, it doesnt matter usually cause u can choose to or not too
but for some later missions that have heavy sneak zones or ones were u are under pressure its usually advised not to

it just always depends

if u like just clear while searchin for boxes and dont lose hp or ammo doin it sure clear off the zones top to bottom

[unique briar]

ok

oh yea can your break the cfoam off a door? or can that only be done by the enemys?

[ocean spindle]

u can if u melee it several times :]

same for non foamed doors

[unique briar]

ok

[tepid kettle]

yo i jus bought the game, is the concept jus survivng and killing them weird ass creatures?

[past mesa]

Hm

There isn’t survival mechanics like food and water and such. You just kill creatures and try to extract.

[tepid kettle]

so dbd x cod zombies typa thang

[past mesa]

I guess more like drg + stealth - progressions gameplay

[teal plank]

Is there a level with an early on scout that's before alarms or too many enemies? I wanna get some smacking practice done since I've rusted pretty badly

[tepid kettle]

oh ok thank u

[ocean spindle]

uh r7b1 its usually the option, but if u havent started r7, r1a1 has 2 after one alarm, r1c2 has one after the first door

[civic wave]

r2e1 has a guaranteed scout in the first zone if you have that unlocked

[ocean spindle]

r2e1 has one right as u drop in

[teal plank]

ah pain lmao, I'm one mission off r2e1
...and the reason I wanna practice is I absolutely fulfilled my liability quota last night attempting r2d2 with my group

I'll just do r7b1 then

[past mesa]

R6b2

[ocean spindle]

a?

[past mesa]

Has a resource zone with a scout and 2 giants

plus smalls if you are rusty you can practice all melee in one section

[teal plank]

I'm pretty alright on melee in general

[past mesa]

Then you shouldn’t need scout practice

It is the same shit

[frail heart]

Just be confident

[past mesa]

^

[ocean spindle]

real :D

[frail heart]

That was my main issue

[teal plank]

I'm gonna be honest
I know HOW to kill scouts, i've done it PLENTY of times

[frail heart]

I would hesitate and think it was too risky or smth

[teal plank]

I've played a lot of this game, just there's been a decent bit of gap in between me playing recently

so I need to just smack a couple scouts to get the feeling back

[ocean spindle]

smacc

[past mesa]

okay sure

[ocean spindle]

do r5e1 theres a scout in the first zone /j :D

[unique briar]

do the enemys have a like biigger detection area if the rooms lit up or am i just bein stupid xd

[teal plank]

Nope, they don't

[ocean spindle]

they gave a bigger detections area if they are lit up, if they are glowin

so they might detect u killing an enemy from farther away if they r glowin

[teal plank]

Yeah, but the room lighting doesn't affect detection range

[ocean spindle]

no no

it doesnt

[teal plank]

*Unless you count flashlights but like that's just a separate mechanic

[peak geode]

Hello

Does the Mastaba Revolver one-shot Scouts in the occiput?

[teal plank]

Believe so

[ocean spindle]

yes

[peak geode]

They do not IIRC

[ocean spindle]

mastaba revo and hel gun r occi oneshot

[peak geode]

Ty

[unique briar]

should i bring a sniper w me just for scouts?

[frail heart]

No

[ocean spindle]

no

u can oneshot scouts with several guns

including but not limited to: burst cannon, high cal, shotgun, choke mod, scattergun, precision rifle, hel rifle

etc etc etc

also with melee

[teal plank]

Yeah shooting a scout is sorta a last ditch effort

[ocean spindle]

eh its also if u wanna just pull the room and not deal with it

or if its alone

[teal plank]

Fair enough

I'd kinda include the former in "last ditch"

[unique briar]

wana check smthn rq, if i have only one regular door and 2 security doors that are closed evnemys will onlg come from the regular door right?

[teal plank]

Yep

[ocean spindle]

yeah they cant break through sec doors

[past mesa]

It is my first ditch normal solution

Just pull room never punished

[teal plank]

I have too much fun killing them with melee to want to shoot them though

If it's not a difficult level and I have a knife, I am running towards every scout I can get my hands on

[unique briar]

haha i did a security door wo the door even breaking!

[ocean spindle]

:D

[teal plank]

Out of curiosity, which level are you playing?

[unique briar]

i think r1b2

[teal plank]

The one with the HSU?

[past mesa]

Yeah

It is the shooter level

[ocean spindle]

shooter parade

[unique briar]

?

[past mesa]

All the sleeping enemies are shooters

[ocean spindle]

:D

[unique briar]

oh do all the normal enemys not shot?

[past mesa]

there is stickers and rock head

[teal plank]

There's two types, strikers and shooters

[past mesa]

Rock heads shoot

[ocean spindle]

stop

stop right there

[past mesa]

Tbh rock heads good name

[teal plank]

Strikers lick ya, shooters shoot ya
Strikers have a big vertical mouth on their face, and shooters have a bunch of little pustules all over their head

Shooters also have slightly less hp

[past mesa]

Incorrect

Shooters have more hp

But take more headshot damage

[ocean spindle]

that

[teal plank]

Huh.

[ocean spindle]

its 20 strikers vs 30 shooters

[past mesa]

30 compared to 20

[teal plank]

Well, look at me being wrong as hell

[frail heart]

shooters deserve hell

[ocean spindle]

its fine ksmdkm

[teal plank]

[frail heart]

4 hel revo shots my ass

[past mesa]

It is effectively lower

[unique briar]

how much dmg does spear do then?

[teal plank]

Depends on charge

[ocean spindle]

uhh 17.5 or somethin for full charge?

[past mesa]

17.5 no headshot

[ocean spindle]

yeah

[past mesa]

2 on light

[ocean spindle]

lower base dmg than hammer

but higher precision dmg

[past mesa]

X^3 inbetween

[ocean spindle]

generally with spear u just need more headshots but that added dmg isnt that high either

[teal plank]

The range and very simple hitbox of the spear are what makes it useful, rather than the potential extra damage

[unique briar]

so would it better to give my ai companions hammers?

[past mesa]

It doesn’t matter

[unique briar]

ah ok

[ocean spindle]

uh bots get their own melee stats

[past mesa]

Bots do 16 damage on hammer charge no matter the weapon

Thanks black dragon

[ocean spindle]

the recommendations for bots is guns n tool, which on guns its machineguns/burst rifle, and on tool bio and sentry is what they do best

[ocean spindle]

eh hammer hitbox its better for scout kills tbh

cause its up down

[teal plank]

I've had some issues (especially after going from playign spear to playing hammer) with hitting the neck rather than the head unintentionally due to it

[frail heart]

Ya jumping makes it more consistant

[unique briar]

ok so theres a bigger version of the shooters are they simaler to the other giants ive seen of bigger and more health?

[ocean spindle]

maybs the practice but at the end hammers arc i think makes u miss less
also with spear jumpings funny

cause slow

[teal plank]

Overall the spear's range makes it slightly more versatile for killing scouts
...well, except that you can't sprint, so its worse but-

[teal plank]

You don't need to jump on spear tbf

[ocean spindle]

yes :3
big shooters have 150 hp but they dont have any melee attack

so u can just beat em to death

[teal plank]

Yeah, I think this is kinda what I've been missing. I'm not always jumping to kill a scout and it's making my hits go slightly too low

If only I hadn't used the spear for like... 150 hours lol.

[ocean spindle]

oops

[teal plank]

Gotta love a crutch

[unique briar]

sso what dooe the other melees do?

[arctic marten]

no one knows

no one has ever used them

[ocean spindle]

hammers well rounded, bat staggers a lot, knifes super fast and good for combat and spears uh

[frail heart]

didnt even know there were other melees

[ocean spindle]

spears good for learnin

[unique briar]

is it possible to kill the big shooter and a smaller one wo alerting the room?

[teal plank]

Spear was my go to for a long time because it's by far the easiest to understand how to use, and clearing is very calm and simple with it

[teal plank]

If they're right beside each other, I think you can solo? would be a little tricky

[ocean spindle]

uh with bots maybs if u hit the small and then focus big hopefully but ah risky
u dont need to clear everything in the room either if ur in the zone i think u are

the resource zone

[teal plank]

Chickens (big shooters) are pretty staggerable and tend to shoot rather than scream in my experience

[ocean spindle]

i think they r as staggering as normal bigs, which means aiming for the limbs should make em stumble a lot

[unique briar]

should i aim elsewhere than the head?

or head still good for the big one?

[ocean spindle]

uh the back i guess but if u can get all headshots

sure

the head on shooters its a big weakspot

u might just short stagger it

[teal plank]

the stagger hp is the same but... and this might ENTIRELY be my brain making something up, it feels like the chicken's stagger animation is longer

[ocean spindle]

it kinda is yeah

some are

since its the shooters stagger but slower

[unique briar]

[teal plank]

With a sledgehammer I think you can fairly consistently kill a chicken stealth. I just did twice, at least, because out of sheer coincidence that's what spawned in my room just now

[ocean spindle]

i mean spear bat hammer its easy kills on giants... well bat 50/50 but

ah

chimkens even more

[teal plank]

[soft crater]

At least Bat staggers

[teal plank]

chickens are way less risk than a giant due to the huge brain strat of holding A or D

[soft crater]

Consistently that is.

Knife if you miss a limb/miss back dmg. You're practically fucked

[teal plank]

Knife killing a giant is the premier experience of sensually kissing an arm as it's swung into you at mach 2

[ocean spindle]

me in the last hit to kill a giant with knife when it does a 180 animation:

[unique briar]

can i get a bbot to pick up an item?

[teal plank]

Sometimes.

[ocean spindle]

a resource yes if u just get away from the box

[teal plank]

Just... walk away and hope they pick it up

[unique briar]

so theres no comand

boo

[ocean spindle]

nop

[teal plank]

If only.

[ocean spindle]

if only pinging it :b

[unique briar]

one of them picked up a lock melter and i wanted em to get a mine insted v unfortanet

[teal plank]

But then again, "if only" applies to many things about bots

[ocean spindle]

me with 3 bots with foam grenades while i carry glowies

[teal plank]

Also, could someone help me understand how to use the hel shotgun?
I mostly use the Hel Revo, but I do feel like it could be a good addition to what I run, I'm just having difficulties actually playing the weapon

I feel like I'm probably playing it wrong because I'm used to having a consistent way of killing a single enemy at a time and that's probably not the right way to use the hel shotty, but adapting has been weird

[ocean spindle]

yeah hel shottie its just kinda made to be sprayed into a big chunk of enemies, tbh well on any alarm on close quartes u will find those big chunks
if u only have 2 3 enemies on u u can try and line em up to take advantage of the hel

i like to pair hel shottie a lot with machinegun so one takes the wave the other the individuals

[teal plank]

how close do I need to be to enemies for it to be effective?

It feels like I have to be nearly within melee range

[ocean spindle]

if u want dmg for one two enemies point blank, practically insiide of the enemy to maximize the dmg, if u spray it at a wave just medium distance, enough where u feel most of the pellets are havin enough dispersion to hit as many as em

[teal plank]

I think that it's like messing with my brain because I'm not expecting to kill enemies with every shot, more just damage and stagger? groups at a time

Which, probably a me issue, since I tend to focus my weapons around being the most effective for only myself rather than trusting my team to kill things I damage first

[unique briar]

oh yea for multiplayer does coleecting an artifact give it to others as well or is it morre of a client side thing?

[teal plank]

Yep, it's shared for everyone

[ocean spindle]

i mean hel shottie isnt a oneshot twoshot at medium range, but it has enough mag n dmg to do kill a good chunk of the wave rather than just makin some general dmg to it

u could also take a gun to finish off whatever leftovers u have

[teal plank]

It doesn't give orange markers though most of the time so my brain thinks it's less effective than it actually is at killing lmfao

My special is hel gun like... 90% of the time at this point so it's not amazing at dealing with damaged enemies

[ocean spindle]

wdym helgun should oneshot everything the hel shotgun has breezed

[teal plank]

Yeah, but I can do that already just by hitting my headshots

so it's less ammo efficient

Why damage something and then kill it after if I can just kill it first

If i can get lineups with the helgun for bodyshots, it'd work great, but often I'm using my hel gun first and then swapping off to clean up

[soft crater]

With a headshot for most smalls.

Otherwise it's a 2 shot body

I'm blind

But typically yeah

[teal plank]

Lol, it's all good

[soft crater]

Helgun should typically oneshot strikers after a shot from.hel shotgun

[ocean spindle]

i mean then i guess its a problem of how used u are to use hel gun for helshotguns work

[soft crater]

Shooters is a bit iffy since you'll need some headshot pellets

[ocean spindle]

eh typically a wave spawns less shooters than strikers

and hel gun can either way deal with em

[soft crater]

Speaking in the perfect scenario tbf

Not everyone can consistently practice dmg balance

To minimize dmg loss

[teal plank]

I probably just need to force myself to use hel shotgun for a few runs to get used to it

[soft crater]

It's perfect if you've got several enemies grouped up on your tail

[ocean spindle]

change ur special if not to somethin ur not so used to

so u force urself to use hel shottie more

[soft crater]

The thing about helshotgun/Combat is really finding the range effectiveness

[teal plank]

Fair point
unfortunately my group has basically only been grinding r2d2 for a clear for a little while and so I've just kinda been shoved into the hel gun role
I don't mind it, but I can't experiment that much

[soft crater]

That's the gen cluster with fog iirc

[ocean spindle]

... hel shottie for r2d2 sounds funny idk if that would be an ideal loadout unless u hold in a funny spot

[ocean spindle]

reactor

gen cluster its d1

[soft crater]

It's been too long since I've touched R2

[teal plank]

Yeah, I'm not sure.

I tend to hold in spots where I can get as best of lineups as possible

So sometimes enemies do end up kinda on top of me if my team isn't clearing what I don't kill

[soft crater]

I'm assuming yall don't reload cancel

[teal plank]

I do

Honestly not sure about the others

[soft crater]

Down time on reloads is so much longer for certain guns without reload cancels

While other guns are just fucked with long reloads

[teal plank]

[soft crater]

Ngl just learning reload cancel will change your experience with certain guns

[teal plank]

Oh it's excellent

[soft crater]

I would check if they know or not.

It could also just be everyone reloading simultaneously

[teal plank]

I think they know that it works, I don't know if they do it

That does happen

but also I don't really know how much damage they're putting down?

and I also can't change their minds too much on what weapons to bring

Like we've had one person bring sniper a couple runs to deal with hybrids and big guys during the waves

[soft crater]

Sniper with how it's nerfed.

[teal plank]

Yep

[soft crater]

Is really bad if they aren't constantly hitting headshots

But otherwise it can manage

[rapid briar]

hi

[soft crater]

Jello

Yo

[teal plank]

o/

[teal plank]

There've been times where they'll miss both shots and I'm sitting there with a big guy basically on top of me

[soft crater]

I would recommend something else then ngl

[teal plank]

I've tried, unfortunately.

[soft crater]

Sniper is also just hard to ammo balance with levels with not a lot of giants

[teal plank]

Yeah, r2d2 has a decent number of them

but they also tend to come in packs of 3

[soft crater]

(3 round mag Sniper will be remembered)

[hidden ridge]

hehehehe

[rapid briar]

yo

[teal plank]

[winged turtle]

[teal plank]

I even feel like scattergun would be a better option, but I'm not sure on the ranges it kills at

[rapid briar]

point blank

it also barely requires aim

use it

it’s insane

it even has more ammo than the sniper, and it’s perfectly fine to use it against 2+ small enemies at a time

it’s really good

[ocean spindle]

on r2d2 i would go more burst cannon

[teal plank]

[ocean spindle]

than scattergun

[rapid briar]

well that’s just long ass reactor waves: the mission

scatter is just generally easier to use

[teal plank]

Either one would be probably a bit more helpful but I kinda just accept that I'm probably not going to change their minds on anything

[winged turtle]

Point Blank,
the name of a coastal town in a horror setting, home of the one tap trapper, he uses a scattergun super spread buck shot shotgun and picks a random doorway and camps it all night until he gets a kill

[rapid briar]

[soft crater]

5 burst BC will be remembered

[teal plank]

I've even offered to branch off and use hel rifle to kill big guys as well as doing decent wave clear but I was told to just run hel gun for pure wave clear

[winged turtle]

12 mag pr will be remembered

[hidden ridge]

Technically point blank but tbh even close to that is fine

[past mesa]

Na hel Rolfe is fine

[soft crater]

Hel gun is more versatile

[hidden ridge]

Just dish the damage with that then finish with Main

[rapid briar]

the scattergun ran away with my wife

[sturdy glen]

you can use hel rifle for smalls too if you pen fine

[soft crater]

Ye

[rapid briar]

hel rifle is insane

[soft crater]

Just gotta get the lineups

[teal plank]

Oh I use both, but for this mission my team is kinda... idk. Not super receptive to my suggestions unfortunately

[rapid briar]

probably one of the best secondaries

[ocean spindle]

i mean theres only so much carryin u can do either way

[ocean spindle]

erhmmm technically its specials

[hidden ridge]

Normals in choke? Hel rifle pens. Chargers? Hel Rifle pens

[rapid briar]

it oneshots chargers, is the major upside about it

[rapid briar]

FUCK YOU!!!1!!!

[ocean spindle]

:[

[rapid briar]

the only reason to use the hel gun over hel rifle is if you’re not going to be fighting chargers

hel rifle also has the benefit of onetapping charger scouts from behind

[teal plank]

Tbf, a lot of missions don't have chargers

and r2d2 is one that doesn't

[unique briar]

DAM IT

[ocean spindle]

r2 has no chargers at all

[unique briar]

srrry caps

[teal plank]

Couldn't remember either way ngl

[ocean spindle]

the death of died

[teal plank]

I have... so little memory of each level

[rapid briar]

I remember a couple levels like the back of my hand

[unique briar]

died as i was extracting

[ocean spindle]

damn :[

[rapid briar]

r4c2 and r4c3

[teal plank]

people will regularly reference things and I just sit there going "huh. what are you talking about" as they mention content we ran half a year ago

[rapid briar]

and r1a1 but, y’know

[teal plank]

People being my groupmates

[teal plank]

also pain.

[rapid briar]

if you need any help I’d be happy to assist

I need to get into playing the game again proper lol

[teal plank]

I'm pretty free right now and down to vibe and play as well

[rapid briar]

I won’t be free for another couple hours bc of classes

[unique briar]

you can if you wana im just annoyed w myself and my bad aim xd

[rapid briar]

improves with time

I personally really like the hel autopistol and the hel rifle / veruta

[teal plank]

Pretty much. It can be helpful to use weapons with less accuracy required or that make aiming slightly easier (PR? maybe it's just me.)

but actual aim just develops over time

[rapid briar]

a single pellet from the autopistol staggers a basic, and penetrates

[teal plank]

Maybe I should run autopistol for r2d2

[rapid briar]

well scatter is braindead as hell so that’s easy to use

[teal plank]

lmao yeah

[rapid briar]

only one person needs to run autopistol, because all it does is stagger anyway

[teal plank]

Well, none of us are right now

the issue is that sometimes I have to fend off enemies by myself

[rapid briar]

join the autopistol appreciation club

[teal plank]

and I'm not sure I want to use hel gun exclusively in that situation

[rapid briar]

the hical pistol and combat shotgun are also quite good when paired with the autopistol

or the veruta if you want to just be a stagger bot

[teal plank]

I'm not convinced we'd have enough wave clear in my group if I did that tbh

[rapid briar]

that’s why you have 3 other teammates ya goober

😎

[teal plank]

I stand by my point

[rapid briar]

well then your group mates are a little mechanically challenged if that’s the case

what guns?

[teal plank]

Honestly I can't remember.

[rapid briar]

the hel revolver and carbine are fantastic primaries for wave clear

[teal plank]

The carbine always feels bad to me because I think I burn too much ammo, but I know that it's actually a good gun lmao

[rapid briar]

Use hel revolver then

[teal plank]

Oh I do

Like my go to setup is basically always Hel Revo/Hel Gun

Unless my team needs something more specific than that for a given mission

[rapid briar]

Try the hel rifle instead, it’s just better than the hel gun in most scenarios

[teal plank]

I do, actually

[ocean spindle]

thats a take

[rapid briar]

I thought that was the common opinion

[teal plank]

It's pretty good, I prefer hel gun for situations where I'm not going to worry about chargers or big enemies

[ocean spindle]

hel rifles good but hel guns just such a more flexible gun

in every way

[rapid briar]

oh

[teal plank]

Chargers or my team is lacking strong big guy killing weapons? I'll definitely run hel rifle

[ocean spindle]

way better for open rooms normal enemies bigs [it kills em even faster], reload etc etc

[rapid briar]

the hel gun has let me down the majority of the times I’ve used it so that’s why I peddle the rifle instead

[teal plank]

does hel gun kill big enemies better?

[sturdy glen]

theyre roughly equivelant

[teal plank]

Fair enough

[sturdy glen]

hel rifle you can take your time instead of mag dumping as fast as possible tho

[teal plank]

[sturdy glen]

(you can take your time with hel gun as well but you probably arent going to)

[teal plank]

I use both often enough, though I'm a lot more familiar with gun

[rapid briar]

[unique briar]

are the hel gunss better than others?

[frail heart]

Hel gun just fat skill gun

[hidden ridge]

They pen

[sturdy glen]

yes

[rapid briar]

penetration and high stagger is what hel weapons are

[sturdy glen]

theyre are pretty much all better than most of the guns in the game

[rapid briar]

they’re not necessarily better but they have their uses

[teal plank]

They tend to be pretty good because of the pen
but they aren't like objectively always the best weapons

[rapid briar]

depends on the gun tho

[sturdy glen]

No they are actually just better

unfortunately

actually idk why im saying unfortunately pen is fun and rewarding to play

[rapid briar]

again, they each have their own niches

[unique briar]

icic

[sturdy glen]

what is the niche of the straight revolver upgrade that is good on every enemy and the 2 best mains in the game

[rapid briar]

the best mains are hel revolver and the carbine

[sturdy glen]

hel revo and hel shotgun*

[rapid briar]

unless I’m forgetting a gun or something

I mean the hel shotty is good but i wouldn’t put it as the best main

[sturdy glen]

thats why it is second place

[upper ginkgo]

uh oh

[teal plank]

oh boy

[rapid briar]

more like third

[upper ginkgo]

jelly are you still hardstuck

[rapid briar]

on what

[sturdy glen]

LOL

[upper ginkgo]

what's the current lore

[ocean spindle]

hel gun is great but as always depends on if u need something more specialized or not, special weapons are usually to fill somethin like wave clear or a lot of dmg

[rapid briar]

I just haven’t been playing lately

[teal plank]

I think they meant hel weapons in general

[ocean spindle]

ah