gtfo-related-questions

[past mesa]

To bad it doesn’t exist

He made it to r5c2

[jaunty latch]

you still have to coordinate enough with the other person to get behind it lol

[wintry lava]

thats what we were trying to do, ive tried taking a support loadout (hel autopistol and machine gun) to stun everythiung for as long as i can, which works most of the time, but since theres no way to prevent the tank from just destroying the bots it becomes a bit hard, but ill take what you said into consideration

[past mesa]

Interesting

[jaunty latch]

id go for killing outright if the tank is the issue

[past mesa]

So you are taking support in a duo run?

why

[noble wind]

Well i started in OG r6 and only actually got good until ALT R4

[wintry lava]

just theory crafting, we havent figured out a strat yet for this level

[past mesa]

Hel shotgun might be better for babies but you have no tank kill

So your team mate probs should run scatter

[jaunty latch]

hel shotgun in primary is fine just take something in secondary that can kill it

machinegun is fine for that if your both constantly shooting it but scatter is the easiest method

[past mesa]

They don’t have that either they have hel auto op

[wintry lava]

from the times ive used hel shotgun i might have been using it wrong, ive seen people say its one of the most efficiect guns per ammo pack, but i found it to be worse than revolver, are you supposed to take their backs to utilize the dmg boost from stunning with the first shot?

[jaunty latch]

assuming you have r4e1 unlocked you can practice tank-killing there

[jaunty latch]

point blank headshots

[noble wind]

Shoot into a crowd of enemies

[jaunty latch]

or that

or both

[past mesa]

It is one of the strongest guns in the game hands down

[upper ginkgo]

don't listen to them

they didn't provide citations

[jaunty latch]

revolver is fine if you want a gun with range though

[modest monolith]

hel shotgun.... it's extremely powerful against CQB

[wintry lava]

the way were used to kill tanks is just whoever has aggro just baits the tank, its fairly easy and we have it down if theres not a horde at the same time

[modest monolith]

Hel revolver: all rounder

[past mesa]

Insane almost like 99% of enemies come close to you and the ones that don’t you can just be better than. Or have a magazine that has fallen through the floor

[jaunty latch]

your doing it right then, the only difference during hordes is it demands you do it faster

[modest monolith]

if you wanna test hel shotgun, r2e1 is your pick

[wintry lava]

im focusing a bit too much on the tank and it wasnt even that which ruined the latest run was just a giant charger whilst fighting it, the main issue is just how the bots have a special desire on this level to not help

should we just try to find people on this discord to it might be easier right

[past mesa]

Yes

Go to lfg

[jaunty latch]

if you get good teammates yeah

[civic wave]

(good doesn't just apply to skill, but also attitude and whether or not they're cheating with mods)

[jaunty latch]

the betterbots method does make them actually shoot at minibosses if playing with randoms isnt working out though

[wintry lava]

we were struggling a lot with r2e1 actually, so we might give that a go, but its been a while since we've tried that level

[jaunty latch]

just leave the old absurd aim option off

[past mesa]

Might as well turn on the better aim as well

[jaunty latch]

well no you turn that on if you dont care about playing normally anymore

[wintry lava]

yeah but i saw a video with the better bots and he kinda almost didnt need to play, and that doesnt seem too fun ngl, its a lot better to kill dauda after every mission since he throws everytime

[jaunty latch]

thats aimbot mode

an old version had it on by default

[civic wave]

chilldude 30 minutes r2e1 with betterbots?

[past mesa]

The no shot or damage r2e1

so fun so cool

[neon gust]

Vanilla bots shoot tumors

i dont know why the fuck people

say they dont

[jaunty latch]

ive never seen them do it without the mod active

[modest monolith]

because they suck

[neon gust]

bishop a real one on my r8e2 clear

[jaunty latch]

unless the devs finally fixed that in the last few patches

[modest monolith]

i know bro

[neon gust]

they always shot

tumors

[wintry lava]

maybe we're being kind of stubborn about it, but weve done a lot with the bots, even if most times theyre useless its fun to find our strategies around it. the group of people we bought the game all stopped playing, and i guess it would be harder to coordinate 2 "randoms" alongside us to scout the levels like we do. also ill take this to ask this, do mods disable achievments?

[neon gust]

strategy with bots ?

run away

lmao

thats the strat

99% of the time

have a bot to baby sit, run away so he starts shooting and keep him away from danger

[jaunty latch]

I mean its what I did with the friend I played with

[neon gust]

2+2? then you just more mobile

[jaunty latch]

also no they dont disable them

[wintry lava]

i think we'll give it a few more tries, especially considering everything youve told, thanks for that btw, and if it doesnt work we'll try the discord, and then if that fails too, then the mod

[jaunty latch]

any time I saw them try they would shoot at the center of the body or stand there blankly doing nothing

so even if they have code for it, it wasnt working properly

[wintry lava]

from my experience the bots just shoot at the tank blankly but sometimes they hit since the tank is not facing him, it feels a lot more rng than it is them actually aiming at the tumors

[jaunty latch]

^^^

[neon gust]

you know that visual effects are nowhere near accurate when it comes to accuracy right?

you can have a friend kite a tank while ypou babysit a tank

and youll see the bot shooting the tumor

[jaunty latch]

ive tried that almost every time we ran into a tank early on

and got better results from a sentry

[wintry lava]

when we did r5b3 the bots didnt shoot once at the tanks, but then it might ve been due to distance

[neon gust]

thye dont have a distance check

they shoot anything thats rendered

[jaunty latch]

they shoot tumors fairly often with the mod active

[neon gust]

thats why its unwise to give them shotguns

[jaunty latch]

not enough to kill them on their own still but enough to make 2 man less painful

[wintry lava]

they had hel rifles since we did b1 earlier

[noble wind]

Well there is slug now so no more fear of Missing pellets 🙏

[neon gust]

HELL NAW

🗣️

[jaunty latch]

they work better with machineguns since they dont understand how to line up piercing shots

[wintry lava]

in b1 that isnt really an issue tho they just come in a straight line

[neon gust]

Theres a certain guide

on steam

[wintry lava]

but yeah i get what you mean

[neon gust]

from a tremendous asshole

you should check it out

its pretty informative

[civic wave]

seconded and thirded

[neon gust]

quadruple fifthtouple

[wintry lava]

i thought ur name was familiar, whens the next review coming?

[neon gust]

OH SHIT

im retired

[jaunty latch]

warning he will tell you to use burst rifle on them, and while it works well at a distance it makes them horrendous at dealing with close range strikers while they have it out

[tardy ingot]

sextouple?

anyway i usually forward that to peeps who play with bots

[neon gust]

games dead

[noble wind]

Veruta mgs 🙏🙏🙏

[blazing mason]

Is there any way to make bot synchronize attack on a Sleeper just to kill both at same time? Because its slightly annoying to do all solo xD

[neon gust]

no

[wintry lava]

aint no way not even for the last rundown of the game?

[noble wind]

Nope

[noble wind]

Bots will only melee alerted enemies near them

So you stealth by yourself

[haughty island]

Check guides on stealth for example from darkeva

[blazing mason]

I know how to stealth

[neon gust]

Truth is, ive made it, im not happy with it because its not that i dont wanna finish it up (89% done), its just that my passion for this game died a long time ago and its difficult to talk about an update that added some recycle stuff

and i mean

theres a LOT of recycle shit

you think theyll go all in

[wintry lava]

so are machine guns the best for them? its what we used to have, but i only ever heard them bursting it every so often and it didnt feel like they were using it well, and the b1 reactor was giving us a lot of pain thats when we swapped to the hel rifles

[tardy ingot]

89% finished game wise

or you have a review thats 89% finsihed?

[neon gust]

story stuff was good but GTFO died by its own creator

[jaunty latch]

machine guns are secondary slot and yes

[neon gust]

they can go full jhon wick mode

and mag dump into 12 enemies

[jaunty latch]

they full auto it if theres a bunch of shit around them

[haughty island]

So why you questioning how to use bots to kill sleepers

[jaunty latch]

or just pull out their melee, its weird

[neon gust]

that move its straigh up a get out of jail free card from the bots

[blazing mason]

Its just a question bothering me

[neon gust]

89% done with the review

[jaunty latch]

also handing one bot a burst cannon is good if you want them to kill gaints properly

[noble wind]

Was wondering when that is coming out

[jaunty latch]

just dont give all of them it

[neon gust]

I dont know about that

[noble wind]

Man i still remember how Hackett missed 3 5 bursts close range to kill a shooter

[neon gust]

that friendly fire finna be a movie

[jaunty latch]

I only do it in gaint/hybrid heavy levels

[haughty island]

Iam not sure but there is a mod for that. The problem is that's inefficient to stealth like this

[wintry lava]

yeah i was mainly hoping to see your reaction to the story, cuz the levels so far havent been as insane as we thought they would be (we've only done the first half, we wanted to complete every other rundown before finishing the second half), but i did enjoy e1 ngl, but thats mainly cuz of the ending

[jaunty latch]

where the friendly fire is less annoying then the hybrids

though uh yeah if you do that at least once per level you will accidentally get mag dumped by them

[noble wind]

Potential wipe is less annoying than a hybrid 🤔

[jaunty latch]

ive never been wiped by it

[tardy ingot]

first half is very basic gameplay wise ngl (once you get past some nice unique twists)

2nd half is imo way better, but its up to taste obviously

man im sad r8c1 is … meh

[wintry lava]

the giants usually arent a problem, so ill try putting them back to the machineguns for c2 aswell then, thanks a lot

[wintry lava]

so far ive enjoyed the portion of r5 we've done (we are on c2 rn) a lot more in every aspect other than story when compared to the first half of 8, i really hope the second is better, and its why we're saving it for last, in fact in general r5 has shattered most of my notions of being "ok" at gtfo, i feel like its a lot harder than other rundowns, and its being a lot more fun because of that aswell

[haughty island]

r5 is hard especially d1 before patch funny 2 pmoms

[jaunty latch]

r5 is probably the hardest overall

even if 8 and 4 have higher peaks

[frail heart]

R8 is harder tbh

[tardy ingot]

R5 is definetly the hardest overall. Followed by R8 imo

[frail heart]

Actually I cant say anything lol

[tardy ingot]

[frail heart]

I havent played levels in r5 like c3, d1 and d2

Group is reluctant lmao

[tardy ingot]

Alright, hard, challenging

[haughty island]

Yep, r8 had tree hard lvls e2 d2 and b4(before patch) idk what now

[tardy ingot]

r5d1 is also insane mental challenge man

[tardy ingot]

post nerf its definetly an even wider gap

C2 is still pretty neat

[haughty island]

WTF

[frail heart]

C2 is good

[haughty island]

Need to try out

[tardy ingot]

i gotta play B4 a bit more to see whether i think of it as the hardest B tier still

[tardy ingot]

Huh?

[jaunty latch]

the only other hard one I can remember is the warden protocol in 5

[tardy ingot]

R5B4 o.O?

uh

[jaunty latch]

but I did it when I was still new to the game so I might be remembering wrong

[tardy ingot]

i was thinking more of the likes of R5B1 and R5B3 or R7B3

[haughty island]

I thought they lowered the error alarm waves. So what was the change in b4?

sry for my eng

[jaunty latch]

I dont remember those being that bad

[tardy ingot]

slower ramp of the error and lower spawn amount cap

[tardy ingot]

id generally say those were the 3 hardest B tiers aftwr R8B4

well and maybe R8B3

[craggy pier]

Whats r5b3

[wintry lava]

personally R5B1 is a lot harder than R5B3, the reactor is pain compared to the B3 alarm, but i dont remmeber R7B3 at all ngl

[noble wind]

Unseal cargo then thunderdome

[tardy ingot]

super slow charger error (2mon 45 sec) during cargo unseal key hunt

secondary is pseudo thunderdome with hybrids, bbcs and tank (then another 2 tanks one at a time)

its somewhat ressource tight for a gtfo level

like not rly

but moreso than a lot of other stuff

only level i realiably am low on ammo in pubs at the end

[craggy pier]

Oh that

[jaunty latch]

oh the guy I played that with didnt want to do secondary lol

[craggy pier]

We were low ammo as well

[craggy pier]

Pussy

[jaunty latch]

he didnt know what was behind it, he just wanted to go sleep for work sooner

[noble wind]

Life obligations >

[haughty island]

If gtfo was well optimized man....

That 30fps at the end of r8e2 with 3060 on 1080p and lowest settings XD

[tardy ingot]

secondary in og -> fun and fast action

secondary now -> waiting for tank simulator

[jaunty latch]

whats different about them again

[weary mesa]

Scan speed iirc

ALT takes way longer

[noble wind]

Also more tanks the longer it goes

[weary mesa]

That was in the old one

Your just forced another one now

[noble wind]

So total of 4?

[warm crest]

109775243829083419

R1D1

need 2 more

[summer echo]

how the fuck do you get to zone 86 in R6D1

I've been lost for 15 minutes

[past mesa]

Have you done the reactor

Yet

[summer echo]

yes, we just did zone 94

[past mesa]

Is that air filtration

[summer echo]

ye

[craggy pier]

pretty sure

is 86 the warden door

[past mesa]

Go to the room that is a hub inbetween the the two half

[ocean spindle]

the maps isnt loadin aaa

[past mesa]

the warden door is in the really big room but you have to go down

[past mesa]

It is but I was just checking

[craggy pier]

yeah

[summer echo]

Oh mein gott

[past mesa]

You have to go down to go up to the door

Good luck

[craggy pier]

you have to go to the corner of the massive tile and go down a level then go up the stairs in the middle

[ocean spindle]

yes ok 86 i think its the warden zone
thats right in the middle of the hub zone

but its on infected fog

so u need to get rid of the infection first

[past mesa]

He cleared that

[ocean spindle]

oh

then yes u go down then middle

[summer echo]

so its somewhere there? #gtfo-media

[past mesa]

Correct

It is right in your mark

[summer echo]

Awesome, thank you

oh mein gott class 7 alarm

[craggy pier]

isnt it 6

anyway

gl

[summer echo]

oh it is my friend called it out wrong lol

[craggy pier]

shoot well or u die

:3

[summer echo]

[past mesa]

You got it

Gl gl

[summer echo]

Should've brought the PR instead of the sniper damn

[past mesa]

Don’t count your chickens yet

[jaunty latch]

bring slug shotgun

[craggy pier]

brah

[jaunty latch]

its horrible but if you actually win with it you get the pro gamer pass

[craggy pier]

that is not true

winning with throwdouts doesnt make u a pro gamer

[summer echo]

we gamed

[craggy pier]

ballin

[woven bobcat]

quien para jugar ?

[gaunt totem]

very new to the game and confused about what guns to use

[jaunty latch]

most of them work fine just go through and pick one you like

[craggy pier]

i recommend trying everything and eventually just use what you find fun

[jaunty latch]

though id start off with ones directed at smalls and try the others more as the larger enemies are introduced more frequently

[gaunt totem]

ah ok i see

9is there no meta?

[craggy pier]

there is but it doesnt matter just use whatevers fun until you get to harder levels that ""require"" more specialized loadouts

[jaunty latch]

there is but its mainly obssessing over wiki numbers / dps for speedrunners

[gaunt totem]

the hel guns are all charge right

[glad pike]

not all

me when hel shotgun

[digital mural]

hel revolver, hel shotgun and hel auto pistol exist

[gaunt totem]

oh so what does hel mean?

[jaunty latch]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-gas_gun

in game it generally just means the gun peirces

[minor fractal]

I see a lot of people say this is big, but like.

Ngl, it's mostly the same.

Just less bullshit

[frail heart]

It is big

Imo

[minor fractal]

It's a large change.

But is it a good change?

I would say yes.

[craggy pier]

level is now pubbable

[frail heart]

Fr

[reef geyser]

can shooter be killed instantly by just tap ?

[craggy pier]

u can uncharged hammer kill shooter in back of head

if thats what u meant

[reef geyser]

so only at the back of the head ?

[craggy pier]

correct

it does exactly enough damage

[reef geyser]

another question

if the back of the head is the ultimate weakpoint then can a fully charge hammer hit at the back of a giant head kill them instantly ?

[craggy pier]

no it does exactly half of their health

[reef geyser]

i want the achievement

what about spear ?

[jagged shore]

hit occi, charge again and stab limbs until they're dead

[reef geyser]

i seen a guy instant kill a giant with one charge

[jagged shore]

boosters or syringe

[craggy pier]

what level was it

[jagged shore]

you don't need those if you just want the achievement

[craggy pier]

if u want it for free just drop into r7c3 and get a foam nade/mine or yellow syringe

[reef geyser]

i think it was in r2

booster maybe

[jagged shore]

almost certainly

[quasi tulip]

anybody available to play?

just started playing it yesterday

[craggy pier]

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[craggy pier]

also not many players at this time

[frail heart]

stupid americans

[craggy pier]

so true

[noble wind]

eu best region

[frail heart]

AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE OI OI OI

[frail heart]

Imma give you a different reigon

[noble wind]

no you stay in your lil corner

[frail heart]

oh

ok

😭

[noble wind]

you think bout what u said

[frail heart]

Hey shlorp

Ever heard of ligma?

[noble wind]

no whats ligma 🤔

[frail heart]

Idk

[noble wind]

oh

[jolly swift]

how y commands your bots tm for dont moove for open the door

?

like in a cercle

[jaunty latch]

press esc and disable the slot the bot is in then re-add them after the scan

[jolly swift]

ho okok

so is like kick the bots?

for the scan and after i reput?

[jaunty latch]

pretty much

it still works even if they are downed

[muted orbit]

guys who's know lore?

[jolly swift]

ho okok

[jolly swift]

thx so much

[dry pumice]

#gtfo-lore

[muted orbit]

give me some BASED

[dry pumice]

Huh?....

[ocean spindle]

can u beat infection with regen speed boosters?

[fallen kite]

Good question

Is it really worth the 5% hp tho?

Wait

No

No u cant

Bc infection reduces your max hp, so regeneration’ll just not work

[ocean spindle]

damn oke

thanks

[minor fractal]

Pretty sure you can.

[civic wave]

I think so too

[minor fractal]

It's not a hard cap.

[ocean spindle]

wuh

[minor fractal]

You just take DoT if your health is too high.

[civic wave]

but obviously it's not going to be stellar

because of your regen cap and all that

[ocean spindle]

i was thinkin combining a 80% regen speed with two others of regen cap

cause i just noticed i have it

[smoky marsh]

so is the achievment The Inner (100km) optimized in some ways ?

or do you just do R8A1 over and over and complete it each time ?

[digital mural]

you can do any level over and over again

[smoky marsh]

i see

[fierce walrus]

most people do R8A1

[smoky marsh]

is there an optimised level ?

[digital mural]

100 times R8A1

[smoky marsh]

also does the progression count in modded level ? we're doing some fatal experiment and wondering if it actually do something

[craggy pier]

How does biotracker device work with bot? Will he scan or ?

[noble sierra]

Yes

Bio bot will scan, a lot.

[craggy pier]

I c, thanks for the info.

[spring ocean]

arguably its better in their hands than yours
unless you want to be aware of the sleepers around the room before you see them

[topaz anvil]

Most modded rundowns these days use a mod called "LocalProgression" to simulate clears but is stored on your computer instead of on 10cc servers. This won't affect vanilla progression or vice versa

[smoky marsh]

Which means you can't make or progress any achievement?

[minor fractal]

Not sure why you'd go for chievos in modded, lmfao.

I'm not even sure which ones.

The Inner might make progress, I'm unsure how GTFO-API handles it.

[ocean spindle]

i think modded achievements are enabled but ive heard mtfo disables em by default
unsure tho

thats just what ive heard

[wintry lava]

does anyone know if theres a way or tool to check which logs you have left for the achievments?

[lone mortar]

Nope

Memory

[ocean spindle]

theres a website to check if im not wrong

https://andocas.com/gtfo

[ocean spindle]

u can check on there

[wintry lava]

sick thanks a lot, ill give it a go

[smoky marsh]

We had a doc and checked manually every single one

Could probably be automated

[wintry lava]

this site works perfectly, thanks again

[ocean spindle]

ando savin lifes

[rare blade]

How do some ppl get more custom voice lines I got?

[ocean spindle]

modding, in vanilla gtfo most voicelines are like off the game or restricted

but u can add mods to make the haracters talk more

or have more quick chat options

[rare blade]

I had someone say in voice lines “fuck him, he served his purpose”

I thought that was mad funny but it’s not an option

Why would they remove voice lines though?

[ocean spindle]

the devs [from what ive heard, i am not sure] said it removed
uhh whats the word

[civic wave]

they weren't removed, rather they were never used

[ocean spindle]

pachi help me

[civic wave]

immersion probably?

[ocean spindle]

when u get very into a game

YES THAT

thank u

[rare blade]

Idk I’d found the immersion real good if that was option tbh

But fair enough I guess

[ocean spindle]

i guess it couldve also been annoyin with like 4 players but u can always mod em back

[civic wave]

chatter reborn is actually the worst mod in the game

and I say this as someone who hates cheat mods

do not enable people to be more annoying, it is not a good time

[arctic marten]

the “fuck him, he served his purpose” is a line used in r8d2, with chatter reborn, you can say it anytime

[wintry lava]

do you have to survive an expidition in order for the logs to count towards D-lock achievment?

[past mesa]

No

[wintry lava]

i tried dying right after getting one and it didnt count

[noble wind]

sometimes u gotta restart GTFO

[wintry lava]

im still at the same number

[past mesa]

You might have either already had it or it didn’t update and you needed to die slightly later

[wintry lava]

weird, it now has increased the number, but it took a lot longer than it usually did, and its why i asked, thanks tho

[craggy pier]

Any tips for me and my friend, jsut picked up the game last night only on second mission

[civic wave]

take time to figure out what weapons you like, take things at your own pace

test your limits, you can probably go a lot faster than you'd expect

[digital mural]

Try all guns and see what fits you the best
Always run a bio tracker in your team
Dont use auto sentry

and
never give up

you will die a lot in this game

[civic wave]

if you wish, go watch some guides to get more in depth information because the game doesn't tell you all that much

oh and if you have any problems come back here to ask, most people will give good advice although some people shouldn't be listened to

[digital mural]

HMMMMMMMM

[arctic marten]

watch out for known trolls

[craggy pier]

thanks, sorry we were mid mission haha

[prime dew]

R5C2 Overload question:
Is there a set minimum of waves for the scan?
We just cleared the scan with an overabundance of bioscan speed, got done just as the tank spawns, and still got waves spawning at least two minutes after that.

[tardy ingot]

the enemies spawning for it are set

[noble wind]

you cant stop them from spawning maybe giant cap 🤷‍♂️

[prime dew]

Alright, ty.

Follow up: is there a maximum of waves?

[tardy ingot]

it will always spawn the same

afaik

[prime dew]

So if we start the scan, retreat to a chokepoint, murder everything, we can eventually do the scan free of opposition.
Not very likely, will probably have to test it, but if anyone knows already it saves us time.

[tardy ingot]

just do it in the room honestly

[prime dew]

We have cleared it already, this is for fun.

Just testing things.

[jagged shore]

yeah i've been told that the spawns for that thing are set

[civic wave]

Yes, this is how it works

[upper coral]

го ебашится

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[arctic marten]

code is not working

[drifting abyss]

Ive got an audio problems with a friend. he can join and we can hear him. but he cannnot hear anyone else talking, he can hear gamesounds and ambiance but not the other playes (other players can all hear eachother) he tried restarting game and even pc to no avail, anyone have any tips?

nvm, it seemed re-opening the lobby fixxed his issues

[mossy aurora]

Beastage

[craggy pier]

i know where you live ryk

[narrow niche]

[minor idol]

Anyone know the proper site for GTFO merch questions? I want that santonian cooler but it’s been sold out for ages.

[jaunty latch]

if there isnt a link one on the merch site they probably dont want people asking about it anymore

[sage pulsar]

do enemies stop spawning if the scan finishes early?

esp the last r7b1 main scan

[craggy pier]

enemies stop spawning when u finish scan

[strange lake]

this is more of a question about the server rules than an actual question about the game. When the rule says "old run downs" does that mean old versions of the game or like rundown 1?

[craggy pier]

old versions

[strange lake]

oki thanks

[narrow niche]

helkitty being a good member of the community 🙏

[craggy pier]

i try

until theres restarts in chat then i get jaded as fuck

[narrow niche]

so real

preach bae

[craggy pier]

i tried to escape gtfo chat by fleeing to dow chat but there's this weird dude there with a huge obsession with crossdressers and he keeps hitting on me

[narrow niche]

dam

sucks

[frail heart]

WHAT

Naw man I just looked what da fuq

[craggy pier]

he dm'd me as well

had to block him

[frail heart]

wtf

Bro is weird

[livid stone]

Crazy

[sage pulsar]

is there any order to play rundowns for lore

[narrow niche]

5-8

[tardy ingot]

What the hell would that be

[tardy ingot]

sureway lore would be og 1-6, r7
and alt 1-6

Then r8

[narrow niche]

:3

[sage pulsar]

any real diff between the different hanaway rifles besides single vs double tap?

[craggy pier]

please use normal people words

[narrow niche]

💀

[olive osprey]

HOW to active for exemple tourelle by a bot ?

[craggy pier]

????????

[olive osprey]

the bots have weapons like turrets or radars, howdo we get thezm to use them ?

[jaunty latch]

not really use whatever

[craggy pier]

do u mean dmr vs dtr

[narrow niche]

whar

[narrow niche]

dmr has scope and doesnt one shot strikers

[olive osprey]

use weapons of bot how can do ?

[craggy pier]

basically dtr is a higher skill higher reward but they both play very similar

[narrow niche]

click the weapon slot

change weapon

[tardy ingot]

They are asking how they can make bots use stuff ingame

for sentry/mines co

[narrow niche]

ah

q

1

[tardy ingot]

Use the q/comms menu

they automatically use bio

[olive osprey]

where put q/comms menu

[narrow niche]

click

[tardy ingot]

what

[narrow niche]

q

[tardy ingot]

ingame

[narrow niche]

on your keyboard

[tardy ingot]

press q

[narrow niche]

💀

[craggy pier]

language barrier

rough

[narrow niche]

ikr

stormer writing the entire encyclopaedia

[jaunty latch]

#hc-europe has a french discord if you want to attempt asking people there

[lone mortar]

ifo misinfo strikes again

[sage pulsar]

is the short rifle any good

[arctic marten]

nope

it sucks

[livid stone]

its really good

[ocean spindle]

its usable but underwhelming

u can use the main rifle, which is just better

and a main

[dry pumice]

Let's see...
2nd lowest bullet damage after veruta...
Semi auto...
No stagger to speak of...
Loses damage after 8m...

Yeah, screw that.

But hey, got ammo for days at least.

You basically become a passive low damage turret.

Pew pew to soften up targets for a actual players

[glad grove]

hey uh what should i do if i get stuck like behind a terminal

like i have locked myself into a corner i cant get out of

is there like a debug thing?

[narrow niche]

try spamming crouch and forwards

[glad grove]

its not working

[narrow niche]

well uhh

[narrow niche]

can i see an image of it

[glad grove]

i sent you an image cause i cant post images here

[dawn spruce]

hey, i tried out matchmaking the first time today but everytime someone joins I get random levels/rooms (? sorry, new player) and its like high number ones like R4 - I am still on R1. why does this happen? does it mean i am not actually hosting the group or? Asking because when I was in a game I selected the room I wanted to do - hosted it, then matchmade but I still somehow ended u with R4 whenver someone joined

not sure if I explained my question too well but yeah, a bit curious why that happens

[lilac fulcrum]

Matchmaking randomly chooses a level from the tier selected. There's no way to matchmake for a specific level

If you want a specific level then #how-to-matchmake in discord for the level

[fierce walrus]

ingame matchmaking does that, id recimend using this servers lfg for specific levels… and overall playing with people

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners / #lfg-middle-east.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[dawn spruce]

ahh alright, thanks so much!

[peak geode]

Hi!

Quick question about wave pathfinding. From my understanding, enemies will always try to path: firstly, the shortest route through open doors and secondly, if there are no open corridor with open doors towards us, through the closed doors that create the shortes path, no?

Because

[fallen kite]

Sounds about right, from my experience, but i can't guarantee that waves do that every time- sleepers are weird like that

[peak geode]

I had the enemy path on the ORANGE route, instead of the BLUE route towards us, THE PINK diamond, EVEN THO THE GREEN DOORS ARE OPEN AND THE RED ONE WAS CLOSED AND FOAMED

See photo here:#gtfo-media message

Ah, can't attach photo

Can I put a photo link?

[fallen kite]

#gtfo-media

[peak geode]

Ok, edited @fallen kite

[fierce walrus]

Yeah

[hardy grotto]

It’s 2 doors vs 1

[fierce walrus]

orange route is 1 room away

[fallen kite]

^

[peak geode]

OH

[fierce walrus]

blue is 2 rooms away

[peak geode]

Green is open

[hardy grotto]

They dont care if its open

[peak geode]

Both green doors are open. Red is closed Does it still do a 2 vs 1 check

LUL

amazing

[hardy grotto]

It’s 2 rooms vs 1 yea

[peak geode]

Amazing

[fallen kite]

Like I said, weird ass sleepers

[peak geode]

Is there any way to funnel them through there?

[narrow niche]

they only care if its open when theyre the same number of doors away i think?

[fallen kite]

through the red door?

[fierce walrus]

Realistically - it is the shortest route, just not the path of least resistance

[hardy grotto]

Only one door into that room so

[fierce walrus]

They will always go for red door there

[ocean spindle]

pretty sure they cant be funneled to the small door

[peak geode]

We were running R1A1 to teach a new teammate the ropes, and wanted to try the funnel from 49E

[narrow niche]

nope

why would you want to

[peak geode]

Christ

[narrow niche]

anyway

[peak geode]

It's a L shape, narrow tunnel

[narrow niche]

well youve taught them that it doesnt work with multiple doors

:P

[hardy grotto]

Cause if you could do it it would make things easier

[narrow niche]

eh

boring

[peak geode]

We are not experts. We are still figuring stuff out and passing on what we are more sure of

[narrow niche]

:\

[fierce walrus]

And also you could have the sleepers go for such long adventures if they took part of least resistance and not the shortest path

[hardy grotto]

it’s also boring to waste my time in an r4e1 but I suppose that didn’t stop you

[peak geode]

That's what we were betting on by leaving the doors open

But since they count the rooms

Eh

A pitty

Would've been a great funnel

[narrow niche]

nope

[narrow niche]

:P

[peak geode]

It would also add more to deciding which doors to keep for when

[narrow niche]

no

[peak geode]

Especially when you have have to hold certain segments for multiple events

[narrow niche]

nope

[peak geode]

Why?

[narrow niche]

you wont lose doors if you leave them open

:\

[peak geode]

Maybe I have to pick between sacrificing the door to buy myself time because I have more mines vs. keep the door open, since I have no mines, but I have ammo

A closed door with no mines means a good chance to get overwhelmed by crawlers

[narrow niche]

foaming is just stalling

why would you do that

[jagged shore]

yeah just means they stack up and come at you all at once

[peak geode]

I said nothing about foaming

[narrow niche]

when you could just put them in a giant loop

[narrow niche]

just door and mine

thats even worse

[peak geode]

Door and mine is worse than foam?

[narrow niche]

a giant loop buys more time and you dont waste a door

ok...

[peak geode]

What do you mean by ”a giant loop” in this context? Are we talking about actual strat or a hypothetical one, where waves would follow the path of least resistance?

[narrow niche]

hypothetical

itl stall on every wave without wasting resources

itl just always be better

[ocean spindle]

what is this convo

mine and door good, mine and foam and door better, door closed ans sentries bad, door open and sentries good

not rocket science

[peak geode]

Not the conversation we are having

[ocean spindle]

idk im seein a lot of tool talk i guessed that was it

[hardy grotto]

They’re just cloud gaming for a second

[narrow niche]

theyre saying sleepers pathing on least doors closed would make them pick between that and mining a door without foam

like

instead of making the sleepers path all the way into the next zone (exaggeration)

they would mine a door

[floral acorn]

the only exceptions are where mobs shove each other accidentally too close to another path / another door, and those mobs then re-route

[narrow niche]

?

[floral acorn]

but that can even help u, 2 doors banged is longer banging on both

[narrow niche]

???

[narrow niche]

what does this have to do with the previous convo

[floral acorn]

nothing at all, sorry

[narrow niche]

:P

[hardy grotto]

it’s still good info, tho

[floral acorn]

98% cases they follow the plan, 2% exceptions do happen

[narrow niche]

yea

[hardy grotto]

it’s more useful than arguing a hypothetical that will never matter lol

[narrow niche]

the one sleeper on the closed door for some reason 🙏

why did it path there

[floral acorn]

yep.. maybe it wanted to join the pack but the damn giant took its spot, made it go around and made it repath

[narrow niche]

real

[floral acorn]

basic gtfo stuff anyhoo, prepare as well as u can, be ready for surprises

[onyx bane]

Should I rush every room after a ERROR alarm or still try to maintain stealth?

[ocean spindle]

uhhhh depends on the error

which level u doin

[mossy aurora]

Depends on the rooms too, some you can afford to wake up, some you are better off trying to stealth

[onyx bane]

R4A2 Overload and R3D2

[onyx bane]

I sure love double scout afterwards

[ocean spindle]

for a2 that its preferable that 2 players stay behind the rest go in and try to clear as fast as possible since they can spawn inside OV and fuck up shit

theres no r3d2 tho

that level does not exist

[pseudo coyote]

enemies always take the shortest root by room, even tho the other doors are open -> its an additional room away and thus they will never take that path

[onyx bane]

Oops, meant R2D2, sorry

[narrow niche]

R3d2 megamom

[mossy aurora]

Which part of r2d2?

[narrow niche]

A tad bit late

[mossy aurora]

You should be able to clear all the reactor waves before requiring any room clearing

[narrow niche]

Yuhuh

[onyx bane]

Sorry, I have such a trauma with the D section of R2
I meant R3C1... my brain is mush

[mossy aurora]

[narrow niche]

R2d tiers where new players go to die

[dark stump]

R2D1 was okay havent play R2D2

[onyx bane]

I tried R2D1 6 times with my mates and died 2 times on extraction

[dark stump]

R2D1?

[narrow niche]

:P

[dark stump]

yeah my team runs died due to us running out of ammo

[narrow niche]

Maybe try to clear it

[onyx bane]

We beat it yesterday though, crazy moment of relief

[dark stump]

nice

[hazy wasp]

is there a gtfo-themed mousepad i can buy?

[noble wind]

If they don't have it in their merch website then probably no

[civic wave]

official merch? I don't think so

[noble wind]

U also could get a custom made one

[hazy wasp]

true

[lofty mantle]

Channel to provide suggestions to Devs locked, is there a secondary method?

[civic wave]

there's the email I think

can't remember where that is though

[lofty mantle]

I'll check the support page for it, thank you

[civic wave]

let me check my alt email account that I used to ask for an option to turn SSAO off because I think having your graphics options held hostage is anti-player

[e-mail] should be the right email I think

and there's the old announcement explaining stuff#discord-announcements message

[lofty mantle]

I just want to provide feedback idea regarding the bots since I solo the game regarding their kit prioritization. They basically just medkit>everything, which could be fixed with an "if" condition to prioritize other kits during expedition.

15 medkits in one team is just redundant.

[civic wave]

it's unlikely that anything will get patched in at this point tbh

[lofty mantle]

due to focus on Den of Wolves?

[noble wind]

That one you'll have to deal with

[noble wind]

Game received it's final update

They will be working exclusively on den of wolves

[lofty mantle]

Understood. Thank you for the information, will make do.

[noble wind]

Unless they make custom levels for content creators or whatever they kept saying

[lofty mantle]

In the off chance one of the Devs decide to take a look:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/493520/discussions/0/6292161380823099661/

[whole stirrup]

Is there a time for a player to AFK out?

Got a random afk and we are stuck :9

[craggy pier]

Nope

[rare blade]

bluds team is screwed

[fickle scarab]

How do I delete my data, my brother played on the account and now im gonna start over

[jagged shore]

you don't

it doesn't really matter, you can't lock yourself out of anything, and there's no real progression

[whole stirrup]

Just redo all the missions he did ez

[narrow niche]

Why?

There's no point

[fleet shadow]

What is the recommended order of events for r4c3?

[ocean spindle]

secondary then ov
as sec ||clears infection fog|| and ov starts ||an error ||so preferably to do the cool thing first

and then main as usual

[sage pulsar]

how does precision work

[dry pumice]

It multiplies weapon's base damage.

[sage pulsar]

is it always the head?

[dry pumice]

Any weakpoint. But usually head. You won't see the other type for a while.

To be precise: precision damage gets multiplied TWICE

[sage pulsar]

(I haven't seen chargers or hybrids yet I think, I've done the first 2 levels of r1alt and r7

[dry pumice]

First by weapon's innate precision multiplier, then by enemy's specified weakness

[ocean spindle]

chargers dont get any precision hits cause they- technically dont have heads

its just back so doesnt count for em

[dry pumice]

For example High Caliber Pistol has precision multiplier of something like x0.74

[ocean spindle]

for a giant for example would be 30 x 0.74 x 1.5 which is the multiplier of the giants head
which gives about, 3 plus damage, so not worth it to headshot there

[dry pumice]

30 base damage x0.74 = 22.2 precision damage

The weakest weakpoint in the game a Giant Striker's head, which takes "only" x1.5 bonus damage.
So 22.2 x 1.5 = 33.3

Congratulations, you just dealt whole 3.3 extra damage with a headshot.
An astonishing... +11%!

[sage pulsar]

the early game giants are strikers?

[narrow niche]

?

Giants are giant strikers

[sage pulsar]

ok

[dry pumice]

The ones that just look like strikers, big, slow and bite for 24 damage? Yeah, those are giant strikers. Or just giants, for short.

There are other variants of giant enemies. Notably giant shooters and hybrids, They take x2 damage to head.

[sage pulsar]

how does 33.3 become 3.3?

[narrow niche]

????

3.3 MORE

[dry pumice]

I was comparing the base damage you would do on normal bodyshot (30) vs damage you would deal to the head (33.3)

TL:DR - on some guns shooting for the head of giant strikers is just not worth it. Just aim for center mass.

[narrow niche]

Most guns

[sage pulsar]

some guns deal less damage with headshots?

[narrow niche]

Excluding sniper

[narrow niche]

Yes

[dry pumice]

Yeah, that's what i've been trying to say.

[narrow niche]

:P

[dry pumice]

They never deal LESS damage, the worst precision gun in the game will still get a bonus by aiming for the head. But 99.99% scenarios its just not a game changer in any meaningful way. Leave the head for someone who cares.

[narrow niche]

But artek think of the 3.3 damage

Automatics will take 1 less shot to kill

[dry pumice]

Oh wow, i saved a whole bullet on my HAR...
...
Actually nevermind, this is the 0.01% case...

[narrow niche]

Some tumors get exactly 100% headshots

So no extra damage

[dry pumice]

There is one reason to aim for the head with a bad prec gun - popped head will cause the guy to stagger and prevent him from attacking. Could save you 24 HP, or whatever is the damage they deal.

[narrow niche]

Just shoot limbs :P

[dry pumice]

Head's a limb too, so...

Also no, i'm not aiming for fucker's hands.

I'm not good at shooting twigs

[sage pulsar]

...does anything hit you with their arms in this game

[narrow niche]

Legs???

[narrow niche]

Giants

[dry pumice]

At least 4 enemies, all of them large.

In fact giant's close range punch is quite infamous around here.

Astonishing 40 damage to the player. Has been the cause of many a wipe.

[narrow niche]

||giant tank immortal hybrid potato?||

[narrow niche]

40-32

I think

Depending on the enemy

[dry pumice]

||Who the fuck is Potato? Also forgot BBC, unless he just counts as a generic giant.||

[narrow niche]

||The a2 thing||

[dry pumice]

It has melee attacks?...

[narrow niche]

||Also shadow giants whops||

[narrow niche]

Yes

Surprise

[narrow niche]

They do 40 and have little range

Like hybrid ranges

[dry pumice]

Damn thing literally has no arms, fuck she punching you with? Her face?

[narrow niche]

Literally? Yea

It swings it's body

[sage pulsar]

is aiming for legs a legit tactic for giants

[narrow niche]

Yes

[dry pumice]

Never did it.

[jaunty latch]

any limb but yeah

[sage pulsar]

scouts don't seem to die when I mag dump them (hammer into short rifle) but they apparently have 40-60 health?

the ones that spread feelers and glow blue before summoning a wave

am playing solo with 3 bots

[noble sierra]

When a scout is screaming, it's invulnerable

[jagged shore]

yeah once it's alerted you can't kill it until after it screams

[jaunty latch]

melee the head

or bring a beefier gun if you want to shoot them

[peak geode]

I appreciate the answer! Thanks!

[fleet shadow]

Okay, I've finally reached 20% heat on r1a1 after 3000 attempts to solo it - any advice? i keep watching vids, and i stg it seems like the waves these successful runs have are like 1/3rd of what i see

[sturdy glen]

you wanna cheese it or full shoot it like a chad

(by cheese I mean do it the lame way and just foam everything)

[ocean spindle]

so not-cheese

[sturdy glen]

cheesing yourself out of an actual accomplishment tbh

please, do feel free to explain the skill in rolling for consumables and then permafoaming the enemies out the whole alarm

guess they want to do neither

[ocean spindle]

tbh i wish i 'cheesed'

cause a1 took me a fuck to complete

solo

[minor fractal]

Just use c-foam launcher

And clean house after

[sturdy glen]

ye I mean in addition

cuz I see most ppl who do it also roll for consumables

make it even more free

mainly a mine

[ocean spindle]

why should i feel i cheesed the level by takin a mine on a level an then perma foamin with my launcher

i imagine i would feel i cheesed a solo run if i doorbugged which is an actual cheese

[sturdy glen]

idk, I sure wouldnt feel accomplished if I tried as hard as possible to avoid doing anything that is actually more difficult than normal when attempting a "challenge" run

like why even bother

[ocean spindle]

its still like hard
idk about this but i still struggled a fuck ton even with the launcher and mines cause u need to clear scans as u foam and u still have to solo sneak every run kill every scout and do the HSU run alone

i think u underestimate how hard is it for newies and not-so-newies to even do somethin that looks so simple like

foamin a door alone in a class IV

or runnin through an hsu alarm

[sturdy glen]

thats why you play 4 person

like intended

its a challenge run

[ocean spindle]

its one thing to say 'if u wanna make it harer and challenge urself more only do mines or sentry' than 'its cheese if u foam it up'

like

a

i get ur point but the phrasings just icking me

[sturdy glen]

yeah I didnt really try to sugarcoat it lol

I think challenge runs are dumb in general

if youre gonna do one, actually do it

[ocean spindle]

i think solo runs in general are a challenge as long as u dont use lile gamebreaking shit like doorbugs or whatev else

and same goes for other general challenges like duos

[sturdy glen]

also im ngl, doorbugging r1a1 would not be that different from permafoaming it

but yea that is actual cheese

[hardy grotto]

heres my solo run of r5e1 guys

i kite giant

[ocean spindle]

iiii say thats not it ngl
cause permafoam like actually requires ur time and its gonna break and u have to balance it with the alarm, which sure its easy for u but not for like medium players

[hardy grotto]

heres my solo run of r2e1 guys

i foam ladder

wow so hard

[ocean spindle]

and door bug u can just use in HSU run and if u pull the two scouts and what not

[hardy grotto]

r5e1 solo fr is a challenge run

challenging to wanna do all that running

[ocean spindle]

r5e1 sounds like a lot of pain already for solo but thats probs my skill issue

[sturdy glen]

you think theyre gonna know that if were operating under the same assumption that they cant foam a door while scanning?

nvm this is not a conversation worth having im going back to homework

[past star]

Balls

[ocean spindle]

bells

[upper ginkgo]

holy shit is that lethal company bread who runs an active youtube channel with daily uploads??

[past mesa]

no he is fan boy

[upper ginkgo]

i knew it was too good to be true..

[jaunty latch]

foam is boring

that is all

[ocean spindle]

anyways

i have question

so r8||d2|| ||secondary, with the separate classes||

||the IX spawns a tank n snatchie, what do the VII and the V spawn||

[craggy pier]

||medium has no tank or snatcher|| idk what else is unique about, idk what the easy alarm is

[ashen frigate]

Medium has ||berserkers in the waves||, and the fog ||does not drop completely during the scan sequence like it does for the Class IX||

Moderate is a normal alarm setting, but with fog everywhere.

[maiden cypress]

yo what's a ||berserker|| is that a new enemy?

[craggy pier]

bro what is a berserker

sleepyboi name over here

[ashen frigate]

Nightmare Striker (berserker is how we named them when we tested R8)

[craggy pier]

i still dont know what easy alarm is

i imagine rest of level is full fog and its like just striker waves or smthn

[ashen frigate]

That is what I just said above.

[craggy pier]

oh

moderate didnt strike me as "easy" and i cant remember what the actual names are

[ashen frigate]

It is how the sequence is called in the terminal :)

[craggy pier]

yeah that makes sense

im shrimply bad at reading

[hidden ridge]

You can use that argument also for scan RNG tbh

There's certain cases where some alarms are super easy due to the scans not going too far, and times where you get spaghettied

I get what you mean, it's certainly harder and requires more skill to get good at aiming and deleting the waves, I also got a lot of people going full "foam+mine every wave in r5b4 isn't cheese"

On the other hand in r1a1 I think that the chances of getting 1, single, mine (which is all you need for the second alarm) are really kinda big enough to make it reliable, therefore the "it's just RNG" argument doesn't hold much credit

I'm sure someone knows the actual % but from my limited, anecdotal experience, it ain't low by any means

[craggy pier]

i think hes talking about rerolling mine in first zone

to make first alarm free

after that ur almost guaranteed to find a mine somewhere so it doesnt rly matter

[frail heart]

thats crazy

why would you roll for mine on first door?

[craggy pier]

idk some ppl suck at shooting

[hidden ridge]

Perhaps I'm missing something but I dont get that impression

[tardy ingot]

i think its 1. about reliability and 2. about how much it warps the general gameplay without whatever happening

[craggy pier]

scan rng is real af tho

[hidden ridge]

Moreover it's a bit... rerolling, really depends on how LOW the chances are

If it's a coinflip I feel like talking about wether rerolling in that case is cheese is a bit...

Pointless?

[hidden ridge]

What do you mean?

[tardy ingot]

if you need a certain comsumable thats decently rare to win with a wacky strat

Or you need super specific enemy spawns. Then thats oof

Vs

you do it in a way where only „bad rng“ as in getting something actually rare that makes it harder, can kill the run

[hidden ridge]

Yeah I assume on a larger picture it really depends on what said chances are

And I think getting a mine for second alarm in r1a1's kinda common

[tardy ingot]

2nd alarm ye

tho honestly if you can hold the first alarm wave solo (or you know how to do it with floor foam, then you are probably good enough anyway)

[livid stone]

Just kite for 6 hours

[craggy pier]

kiting is rly unfun

probably wont bother with any solos where i cant just shoot the alarms

[fleet shadow]

Was asleep but I’d like to actually do it without any significant exploits

[craggy pier]

permafoaming isnt an exploit but it is cheap

and in regards to r1a1 it does trivialize an otherwise fairly challenging alarm

[soft crater]

Scan rng deciding whether or not you will get a speedrun record

[craggy pier]

a while ago there was a massive argument over using "logs" to check item spawns for speedrunning

[noble wind]

logless speedrunning>>>

[craggy pier]

i concur

[soft crater]

[craggy pier]

its not logs logs

its some tool to check the details of your current mission seed or smthn like that

[soft crater]

I know

I don't understand how logged speedsruns vs normal speedruns would get massive in an argument

Unless someone was trying to justify logged speedruns

[craggy pier]

there were a bunch of people trying to justify logged speedruns LOL

[soft crater]

[craggy pier]

iirc in the end the ppl that wanted logged speedruns were the actual src verifiers so everyone else didnt get much of a choice

i could be wrong tho, i think i tuned out near the end

[soft crater]

I can imagine it's the same as the guy who uses blackhopping with heroic heart and said it was fine because he's a speedrunner.

And well I don't mind logged speedruns. But it should be it's own category

[spring ocean]

what is the point of logs? I havent seen anything useful in it so far

list is more useful to me than logs

[soft crater]

We aren't talking about Terminal Logs

[tardy ingot]

ye no

Theres a reason the majority runs logs lol

[tardy ingot]

This is kinda wrong

The majority of active speedrunners prefered it

most people against it werent even runners and/or didnt understand how it would impede the verifying process

[craggy pier]

ok

[tardy ingot]

its also just that, with the exception of collectable missions, using logs doesnt change how you play. It just makes it so theres less dead runs

[soft crater]

R1A1 HSU rng

[hidden ridge]

Why dont you guys just all use the same seed?

Or is that technically not feasible?

[native sun]

Only with mods, but speedrun is hardline on only allowing vanilla

(except for modded category extension)

[soft crater]

Iirc only modlist is allowed to prove otherwise you don't have any

Next to logs to see if anything funky is happening

[tardy ingot]

if yo didnt use logs youd just have to run every time. Youd still try to hunt for closest lcker and hsu

[hidden ridge]

I mean... and?

Like, allow only that mod?

Or you have a way to check if mods, at all, are installed and it'd invalidate that?

[native sun]

Sure, so now I'll give the other answer... no one* wants to run seeded

* where no one is understood to mean the vast majority of people, not literally meaning not a single person alive

[tardy ingot]

we would need a mod with a set seed for every single mission

But then, what seed do we use?
Its actually very rough to argue about this

it would also still be its own category (seeded) vs non seeded. Since seeded would require a mod

[hidden ridge]

That's the neat thing you dont, you just share the seed you used for X run

And if anyone wants to compete on that seed, they can, otherwise they just do another seed

[tardy ingot]

Id actually „somewhat“ disagree on not wanting to run seeded

It just has its own entry barrier. But the thing of it being basically only skill would be fun

But again, what seed (if you do the fastest possible you basically skip 90% of all gameplay anyway)

[native sun]

I love my speedrunning category being reduced to seed hunting (said not the vast majority of people)

[hidden ridge]

But all of this would exclude the "lucky seed" or whatnot scenario and people wouldn't have to rerun over and over hoping to get a nice one

[hidden ridge]

I dont have an horse in this race, tru, but I cant see how that'd somehow be unfair or anything along those lines

[tardy ingot]

that would need its own mod

And at that point you either just run that seed ad infinitum or you hunt for a better seed (which is basically just usings logs again)

trust me, im not happy either. But its been talked about a bunch by people involved

[tardy ingot]

see comment above

[hidden ridge]

"run that seed ad infinitum" as opposed to run random seeds ad infinitum?

[tardy ingot]

if you can choose your seeded run you either cheat the best one, run the same as the WR (basically) or seed hunt via logs

[native sun]

Not unfair, it's just that believe it or not, most speedrunners mildly enjoy actually playing the game, rather than investing huge amounts of time into not playing the game (seed hunting)

[tardy ingot]

1st needs a mod

which is an entry barrier

that is usually wanted to be avoided

[hidden ridge]

How's rerolling over and over more "playing the game" than just use a seed?

[tardy ingot]

you dont rly start out with rerolling in speedruns

Thats actually a myth

in seeded you would

since running smth thats worse is wasted when you can repeat a better seed forever

[hidden ridge]

If I want to roll for a better seed, yes?

[tardy ingot]

and a better seed that you can repeat > a worse seed you already did

[hidden ridge]

Otherwise, as far as I understood it, I can just say "I'm gonna use Y seed that WR guys used" and run that?

[tardy ingot]

if it was base game (like minecraft seeded) it would be its own easy to input category

But ya know

[native sun]

Playing the level over and over (with or without it being seeded) is indeed playing the game.

I am referring to the process of seed hunting (which would likely involve repeatedly dropping into the level with dev tools, determining where things spawned, seeing where scans spawn, seeing where any problematic enemies spawn, oh no tanks in the wrong room time to do it again)

[tardy ingot]

again
Id love a seeded category. But finding all the fitting seeds and making an easy to access mod sucks

[hidden ridge]

Dont you already "seed hunt" when you see that the seed is bad? Am I misunderstanding how you guys use logs?

[tardy ingot]

logs is only for key items

stuff that has impact of minutes in a run

[hidden ridge]

Eh, and if that spawned badly you reroll, correct?

[tardy ingot]

like a key spawn position
A cell being in the wrong zone

yes
Because that run is completely dead otherwise if you drop anyway

at least after a while of improving rund

You basically start running whatever (unless a strat is build for smth)

And then narrow it down when you get better times

[civic wave]

Even after logs you need to deal with scan/resource rng

[hidden ridge]

I mean

[tardy ingot]

^

[civic wave]

Tough shit if you get a good key and close b hsu in r1a1 solo but you can't do thr alarm

[tardy ingot]

logs are there so people waste less time

Seeded technically does the same. But it makes it stagnant gameplay (i dont mind that, some do) but it has its own big challenges to achieve

[hidden ridge]

Team A finds seed X, it's nice, they run it, get WR, team B sees it and tries their best on seed X

I cant see how that'd be unfair

[tardy ingot]

it isnt unfair

that wasnt the point

[hidden ridge]

Scans are determinated by seed?

[civic wave]

Yes

The point is its fucked to set up

[hidden ridge]

Then more of a reason to use a seed?

[civic wave]

It would be cool to see a theoretically perfect run

[tardy ingot]

team A finds seed X
Team b now has 3 options

1. run that seed and try to beat them
2. go hunting for a better seed (what true described)
3. build a seed thats better

team B achieves world record on seed Y?
Repeat from 1.

and for all of that youd need to have a modded client that enables seed inputs

at that point

you just make every level have a specific seed

that everyone has to run

At all times

but alas

[hidden ridge]

yes... and? if Team B achieved world record on seed Y then Team A will compete on seed Y or try to get a better one

[tardy ingot]

thats a fuck ton of work and deciding which seeds

[tardy ingot]

seed hunting is basically what is the issue

You dont run the game anymore

because lets say you find a seed with B key and B hsu, good scans

But what if you could find B key, b hsu, great scans!?

But oh shit! What if you could get A key, b hsu and great scans?

its about improving the seed before you run

which is … eh

[hidden ridge]

And that's a strategy, other than trying to beat team A on their seed

[tardy ingot]

its not rly a strt

since you can repeat the run even if you fail

theres no real value to running a worse seed

unles you decide to do so

but then you arent trying to go fastest

[hidden ridge]

I guess you could argue that a team could find a seed SO GOOD that noone has a chance but that already happens anyway, records eventually reach a plateau

[civic wave]

There would be no fun in a set seed anyway

[hidden ridge]

You mean like engineering a seed?

[tardy ingot]

no as in finding a better one (tho yes thats also possible)

[civic wave]

Finding the better seed

[tardy ingot]

And thats why actual set seed category would be better, if someone worked it out

[civic wave]

If a run is already perfected on 1 seed why run it, you'll never beat wr

[tardy ingot]

and you can already see with tru/pachi that not everyone even enjoys the idea

[tardy ingot]

this

i personally still enjoy it

but i also spammed training

which is basically set seed

[hidden ridge]

But that can happen anyway, right?

[tardy ingot]

1 in 10.000
vs 1 in 1.000.000

or rather

[civic wave]

Theoretically yes