gtfo-related-questions

[digital mural]

definitely it wasnt sec

[noble wind]

3 foam for main

[digital mural]

the snatcher and fliers about to catch some foam

[ocean spindle]

probs wouldve done, two and a sentry if it was on me but they recommended it

[noble wind]

Wish flyers dropped like bricks when foamed

[noble wind]

Don't succumb to peer pressure

[ocean spindle]

tbh what does work on that fuckin level, auto sentry? d2 style?

[digital mural]

i did it with 1 foam, 1 burst, 1 mine and bio

it worked well

[noble wind]

🙏

[digital mural]

the holy 4

when in doubt on what to run

the holy 4 have your back

[ocean spindle]

does sec adds things to the wave?

or is it the same but dark and foggy

[noble wind]

Nightmares

But a nightmare surge when doing secondary cluster circles

After that 4 every 30 secs

[ocean spindle]

nightmare surge?
i never noticed any surge, only the holy wave of 70 strikers and shooters

...

well it doesnt go for too long i guess

[digital mural]

actually

how many enemies does the alarm spawn?

it feels like a fucking lot

[noble wind]

Surge

[ocean spindle]

uhhh seems
idk, about, 35?
a norml waves like 24 isnt it

[digital mural]

idk man
i feel like sometimes it acts like a surge and other times like a normal alarm

[ocean spindle]

i just thought it was like a huge wave rather than a continues alarm

[noble wind]

I learned to just perma foam the small door until alarm is done

Works miracles

[digital mural]

its fun until you run out of foam

[noble wind]

Triple cfoam portion in the back pocket would disagree

[left mango]

mhmhmhm

Hel Rifle vs HCP

[noble wind]

Hel rifle

[left mango]

i can NOT seem to line up shots with it.. is it a positioning issue on my end?

[noble wind]

Yes

[left mango]

don't get me wrong, scouts are dead fo sure, but lining up for 4-5 kill is rawwww

[noble wind]

Mostly for reactors or Solo holding an alarm

Also incase giants

[left mango]

what about R8B2 for example

which is the one i'm Duo' running

[digital mural]

you mean full duo or duo with bots?

[left mango]

duo with bots

[noble wind]

Well if you are doing secondary I'd say hel rifle

[digital mural]

machineguns and shotguns work great there

if you are doing sec one person running hel rifle is enough

[left mango]

i give my bots burst rifle & Veruta's

[noble wind]

Then you're good on them

[left mango]

okay must be a positioning issue on my end then

i'll give some more tries

[digital mural]

good luck

[fair tulip]

how do get good

[craggy pier]

have 90% acc

[ocean spindle]

play a lot

inhale cocaine before each mission idk

[fair tulip]

based

[ocean spindle]

that be what i try
the cocaine not the basedness

[left mango]

Ayyyyy Survived R8B2 Secondary & Main, WTFACK WAS THAT >.<

[craggy pier]

:3

[ocean spindle]

:D

bud

[turbid horizon]

fren

[left mango]

R2D2 , any weapon loadout tips?

if anyone is still awake

or general tips

cause we keep dying

[craggy pier]

whatever hols reactor waves good

something for giants and hybrids as well

also generally loadout isnt that important just aim good

[trim rock]

@left mango https://i.imgur.com/UEvs8LB.png

It's the zone South from the Reactor -room.

[craggy pier]

does someone have to stand near a terminal for uplink codes to process

cos ik stuff like pinging things needs someone to be next to it to process

[dry pumice]

I'm uncertain of this, but i believe no. The code should still process while you are away.

[trim rock]

@craggy pier Every uplinkcode except the very last one requires you to be by the terminal.

After you enter the last verify you can leave the terminal and it'll still complete.

[craggy pier]

interesting

[soft crater]

Basically terminal commands in general

has too many instances people leave thinking its loaded only for us to just be standing there waiting

[lone mortar]

Void has the best tech for this

you open up the comms and leave the terminal

the terminal then will keep on operating with no one around it

everyone knows this already but i wana point it out again

[turbid horizon]

I did not know

ty

[lone mortar]

i will CConsole Occlusion before legit clearing it Dak

dont tempt me

[turbid horizon]

i legit did not know

XD

[lone mortar]

fr?

on god

like

[turbid horizon]

Ye

[lone mortar]

on god?

[turbid horizon]

on god

never knew

[lone mortar]

[turbid horizon]

I just was ADSing near the terminal

To keep the screen up

[lone mortar]

like @tardy ingot

u both share that huh

[turbid horizon]

i learned the adsing thing from someone, forget who

Wasn’t eva tho

Before I met him

[lone mortar]

imagine ADSing with sniper

on terms

[turbid horizon]

I run AR so it’s not a problem

[lone mortar]

BC is good for it too

[turbid horizon]

well i hate new bc

[lone mortar]

dunno why not alot of ppl favour it a solid pic

[turbid horizon]

so nah

[lone mortar]

3 burst is alot less punishing imo

[turbid horizon]

yes but I wasn’t running it for kill potential

I was running it because it sounded like a weapon of mass destruction

now it sounds meh

[lone mortar]

true

both had their ups and downs

but still

it smacks tanks

[turbid horizon]

so now my vanilla loadout is back to ar/veruta

[turbid horizon]

don’t care

Doesn’t sound as good

won’t use

[lone mortar]

[turbid horizon]

[lone mortar]

understandable

[turbid horizon]

yeah Occy Bc is still 5

[lone mortar]

as a MG main back and forth

id take more economic on any weapons tho

[turbid horizon]

veruta sounds nice and performs well

good gun

[tardy ingot]

?

[lone mortar]

u do ADSing on terms always

[tardy ingot]

theres no point to q menu during uplinks

[lone mortar]

wasnt what i meant but okay

[tardy ingot]

then no i dont?

[turbid horizon]

what if I made time between codes really long

[tardy ingot]

like only ads during uplinks

[turbid horizon]

Btw eva the Occy slug shotgun is really inconsistent with kills for some reason, around 12-10 meters

Idk if i’m like, part breaking or something

But it’s bein funky

[tardy ingot]

huh watcha mean

[turbid horizon]

Idk

I been testing it in a spot where I reliably am 10m away from sleepers, falloff starts at 15

Sometimes it just don’t kill

[finite oracle]

is there a booster that makes you use up less ammo when using the foam launcher? i was watching gameplay of somebody and saw that they were using up only 4 bullets of foam per max charge shot

[turbid horizon]

Cfoam portion

[keen seal]

only works if you do full charges

[finite oracle]

huh

ok

so the buff wont work on like half charged shots?

[keen seal]

no

[civic wave]

it will work on lesser charged charges, but because of rounding it does not scale nearly as well iirc

[arctic marten]

pachi is correct here, it works so long as there is some charge, but you won't get as great value because of rounding

in the case of tap-firing, you will get no benefit

[dry pumice]

Yes, that is the +C-Foam Portion booster and it increases efficiency of cfoam shots on higher charge rates.
You will get no value from it by doing single blobs, and all of the value by going full 100% charge.

[finite oracle]

ok

[dry pumice]

I believe by default full charge uses 20% of your tool supply.
So every 10% of cfoam portion should decrease that by 2%, if math of this game is not insane again.

[tardy ingot]

i dont remember (since i never use cfoam portion) but if the value goes above 100% then they most likely dont have it like that

Think of it like cdr vs ability haste in league of legends

[dry pumice]

50% - if its even possible - should theoretically double the amount of foam you can dish out

[tardy ingot]

this means that

100% cfoam portion reduction = 0% used even full charged

100% efficiency = 50% less used

200% would be 66% less etc

[dry pumice]

Surely easy to test, right? Just drop without booster > shoot > note amount spent
Leave > equip booster > redrop > shoot again

I should have a booster or two laying around... Maybe...

[tardy ingot]

you can also just check what the numbers are tbh

Cuz i feel like if 100% is possible that someone wouldve realized and foamed a full level

[trim rock]

You can run over 150% cfoam portion and it definitely does not reduce usage to 0

[hazy wedge]

100% cfoam portion = 10% used
150% = 5%

[dry pumice]

crazy

So below 50% is pretty much useless

[rapid briar]

When is it worth using the scattergun to kill little guys?

Whenever I use it on like 4-5 they don’t actually die from the blast

[noble wind]

2+ enemies

[rapid briar]

only 2+??

[noble wind]

2 equal or greater

[rapid briar]

I might be overestimating the scattergun then lol

[noble wind]

its mostly due its large spread cone

[rapid briar]

Ah ok

[noble wind]

also how close you are to the enemy

say enemies behind a small door u can open and blast several

[rapid briar]

prob like 2-3 feet away

[noble wind]

yeah

[rapid briar]

that’s a good idea, I gotta try that

[noble wind]

same for blood doors

[rapid briar]

also are turrets supposed to make a couple beeps like they have no ammo when you put them down

I noticed the last few missions I did that they weren’t making the usual noise

[noble wind]

think thats some desync but should be fine

[rapid briar]

ah that’d explain it, Ty

[craggy pier]

hang on can you two shot a hybrid with sledge

oh no i'm just dumb

[noble wind]

back of the head

[craggy pier]

occi sledge is 80 not 120

yeah but it might b hard to land the second one

[noble wind]

if u bait them to melee u can run around n jump hit

or if u bait melee from behind too

[rapid briar]

do hybrids have armor on their front like chargers or are they just tankier than I think they are

[craggy pier]

no

chargers also dont have armor

[rapid briar]

wat

[craggy pier]

hybrids have more hp than giants

they are built from better materials

[rapid briar]

ok that explains a lot

[craggy pier]

yeah smaller enemy more health go figure

[rapid briar]

I hate hybrids

[craggy pier]

idk why they do that

at least with nightmares finally they made the small ranged enemies weak

[noble wind]

chargers have no front weakpoint

[rapid briar]

nightmares?

[noble wind]

only the back

[noble wind]

R8 enemy class

[craggy pier]

its a surprise for later dont google them

[civic wave]

don't worry about it

[craggy pier]

yeah

[civic wave]

i'm not sure if I'd call use the words weak point to refer to back damage

[craggy pier]

Nightmares are like scary dreams basically

[civic wave]

it's not to do with hitting the back at all

[craggy pier]

Pachi is all fax

that's a technicality

[rapid briar]

charger only alarms are my least favorite

so far anyway

[civic wave]

I mean, back damage applies to everything but tumours iirc (and NM "tumours" function as limbs and not proper tumours I think it was)

[rapid briar]

wack

also when shooting does it depend where you’re standing for alerting enemies or where the bullet lands?

[sturdy glen]

They are? Tumors but back damage is applied after tumor hp is factored in

It's weird

[civic wave]

basically nightmares are freaks, it couldn't be made simple, curse you 10 chambers

[sturdy glen]

Ye

So basically back tumors have "double" hp

(Not really, but I think that's the best way to explain it)

[rapid briar]

I thought the wall tumors were invincible?

[civic wave]

we are not talking about environment

[rapid briar]

o

[dry pumice]

I'm not the tumor you're looking for

[rapid briar]

is there any way to get the ping command with -T to keep pinging even after you left the terminal

[noble wind]

nope

[rapid briar]

bummer

what’s the best primary to pair with the scattergun?

[dry pumice]

HEL Rev, HEL Shotgun or Carbine. There's no other actual choice.

[hazy wedge]

Idk best but I usually ran carbine or hel shotgun

Or what Artek said 😏

[noble wind]

id say sawed off

feels fkn good

[rapid briar]

ty

good trash clear weapons I’m guessing?

[dry pumice]

Good in general.

[rapid briar]

rad

[ocean spindle]

i usually would go for long range medium range stuff, cause scattergun its so in ur face it doesnt like work for long ranges
so that way u can clear wave as it comes in, and then blast the enemies when close

[dry pumice]

Main ARE trash clear weapons.

[ocean spindle]

for example a dmr, hel revo, maybs a bullpup if u got cover for reload and close enemies

and, if u like it of course if u dont no

[dry pumice]

The only 3 that put any dents into giants are the 3 main shotguns.

[rapid briar]

oh ok

[tardy ingot]

dont go bullpup slendi

youll be stuck reloading

[ocean spindle]

thats why i said if u got cover, i only go bullpup if i got a 4 team with, better weapons

[tardy ingot]

slug isnt great into giants

[dry pumice]

Its better than some

[ocean spindle]

slug takes all its mag doesnt it

[dry pumice]

was was AR damage again

2.4?

[ocean spindle]

at the fire rate, machinepistol it

[tardy ingot]

2.19

[ocean spindle]

ar... like 1.9?

ah 2.19

almost

[dry pumice]

Yeah, exactly

[rapid briar]

how many shots from the hel revolver does it take to kill a small

[dry pumice]

Machine Pistol is 1.9x50

[tardy ingot]

ah yes
basing AR being shit vs giants as slug being good

when AR is already ass

[dry pumice]

Hey, its an option.

[tardy ingot]

machine pp is actually pretty quick into giants tho lol

[dry pumice]

You actually put dents into one

And it staggers them generously as well

[hazy wedge]

2 if you hit a bean shot

[dry pumice]

With stun multi like that its technically a very weird stagger gun, but staggering giants is even crazier of an idea than staggering smalls

[rapid briar]

is bean shot headshot

[dry pumice]

Probably

[noble wind]

better if pump got the slug shells instead and dont have a weird shotgun while also buffing the sawed off

[tardy ingot]

slug is at best kinda ok for giants (important here ->) as a main

theres a multidude of better options

[hazy wedge]

Yes I sometimes call the head a bean because it’s hard to hit (sometimes)

[dry pumice]

120/5

24?

Perfect, we found how to buff slug, LMAO

Better make it 25. For rounding errors.

[noble wind]

or make pump a slug shotgun and remove the slug shotgun

[dry pumice]

Woudn't that be nice, but alas

Also i think slug really deserves a main spot, it just needs more polish

We could use a really mean heavy hitter like that

[noble wind]

well you got sawed off which is infinitely better

[dry pumice]

Worst case scenario increase fire, increase mag to 8 and give it another 10-15 bullets to spare

[noble wind]

better mag dump and dmg

[dry pumice]

Make it a xm1014 style spammer

That could be interesting

[noble wind]

that would be something

[tardy ingot]

you know, the giant killing wouldnt change shit

the effective range buff would do way more there lol

[dry pumice]

Whatever's gonna happen.

Surely they caught on by now...

[tardy ingot]

ye dw theres a nerf for it next patch

(im kidding)

[sturdy glen]

Ok but the giant isn't doing anything the entire time if you use slug

[tardy ingot]

true

but is a giant rly doing anything vs carbine either?

[sturdy glen]

It is if you need to shoot any other enemy while fighting it

[tardy ingot]

isnt that the same for slug then

[sturdy glen]

No

You break a limb every shot or soft stagger

Can alternate

Pretty much what I do with hel rifle

[tardy ingot]

if you break limbs, yes understandable. But ... that feels so cringe to do

[sturdy glen]

How

Bro what

[tardy ingot]

i mean, having to aim at a giants arm/leg

when you can burn it down immediatly

in a wave, ok

but a wave situation plays so differently depending on what is exactly happening

[sturdy glen]

That is indeed my point...

[tardy ingot]

i mean it as in

i dont ever aim for limbs on sawed off etc either

tho tbf, that weapon actually just deletes the giant asap

idk

i probably would rather have another main than slug when having to fight a singular giant or giant + smalls

but thats a personal thing for sure

(the range of slug doesnt make this whole situation fun aswell)

[sturdy glen]

It's not the best, but ppl give it a lot more shit than it deserves

[tardy ingot]

agree

i kinda argue that its bad but not garbage whenever people try to rank it as the absolute worst ever

it just struggles on a lot of fronts while being outclassed in stuff it could be great for

[sturdy glen]

It's just kind of in a bad spot cuz of sawed off

[tardy ingot]

thats actually why i dont wish for fire rate buff

but range buff

fire rate just pushes it towards sawed off playstyle

while range gives it a good simplicity for ranged kills

its atrocious that it has freaking 6m before falloff

[weary mesa]

could give it range and fire rate to make it a better competitor to hel revo

[rapid briar]

how come the thermal scope on weapons doesn’t let you see through fog?

[halcyon current]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sturdy glen]

Was too strong or smth

They used to but it was changed

[rapid briar]

oof

do bots use the sniper smartly or no

[dry pumice]

No

They don;'t use any of precision weapons smartly

They spray all the guns in pretty much the same way

Generally point it towards enemy, fire.

[rapid briar]

darn

[dry pumice]

They miss like 30% of the time

Which you know... Doesn't matter on a fucking machine gun, but will matter on sniper

They also appear to prefer using special weapons at close range

[rapid briar]

interesting

[dry pumice]

So enjoy watching Bishop taking point blank sniper shot at a Biter... and missing.

[rapid briar]

Hackett wouldn’t miss a shot

[dry pumice]

Me: literally has an image of Hackett missing Choke Mod at point blank forever burned into his mind since OG R6

[rapid briar]

not real

photoshopped

[noble wind]

try bot woods

man doesnt miss

[random rune]

false, every other weapon will be nerfed to make slug better

[fierce walrus]

I still remember the one time someone dced with a scatergun, dauda joined… proceeded to scatergun a striker right infront of me, deleting all my health in the process

the striker lived

i did not

[left mango]

Guys i need info

[cold quarry]

bot FF moment

[cinder void]

I do that too!!!

[left mango]

R8B2 <-- my friends did not teleport back after THE ||Kraken|| fight....

[trim rock]

@left mango They can rejoin the lobby to get ported back

[left mango]

so they "leave expedition"

[tame fulcrum]

Are there any meme tier weapons besides Short Rifle rn? I want to try some new weapon combos on B-Tiers tonight, thinking about a Shotgun Primary and HEL Rifle

[craggy pier]

nothing as meme as short rifle but bullpup and slug shotgun arent very good

[tame fulcrum]

Guess I'll take HEL Shotgun and HEL Rifle then. I want a crowd control primary, but isn't taking two HEL Weapons overkill? I could probably swap the HEL rifle for the precision rifle

[craggy pier]

didnt you want meme tier weapons

[tame fulcrum]

No I want to avoid those. I just want to learn something new instead of running around with the Burst Rifle as primary on every run

[sturdy glen]

another one joins the ranks

[cold quarry]

Pistol + Heavy AR. The most generic KSO loadout imaginable. But also a lot of fun

[tame fulcrum]

I could try that for the second run of the night, good call

I really wanna try a shotgun primary, but if Slug is meh and Sawed Off doesn't really appeal to me its gotta be the HEL Shotgun

[cold quarry]

Ever since they gutted the bullpup with r8 it's all ive ran. really fun all-rounder loadout

Hel shotgun is great

[soft crater]

loads 3 shells into sawed off

fires 4 times

Logic? Nah. I just hit that Magic shot passive I got in the skill tree (sarcasm)

[noble wind]

gtfo permanent progression skill tree when

[finite oracle]

is it better to use an auto shotgun or the buckshot on a mother

[noble wind]

you gon need to be more specific on which shotgun u talkin bout

[finite oracle]

auto shotguns as in like combat and hel

[noble wind]

hel for babies combat for tumors

[finite oracle]

yeah but compared that to the buckshot

[noble wind]

both are mid

pump shotgun is the best

[dry pumice]

Any shotgun works on her except for HEL and Slug.

At least HEL can eleminate the lesser problems

[ocean spindle]

being all HEL loadout isnt inherently bad, but going hel shottie which is a crowd weapon with a long reload, and pairing it with hel rifle which is a high dmg long range weapon with long reload
do lean on ur team a bit to cover u when u need to reload

[tame fulcrum]

Good point yeah, I tend to underestimate reloads

[ocean spindle]

yeah, both are good guns but together idk what the strat is when u run out on both apart from, 7 seconds of reloads lol

[rapid briar]

What’s the effective range of the HEL revolver?

it feels like it barely even tickles enemies at range which just kinda feels wrong

[noble wind]

10m

And are you hitting body shots?

[rapid briar]

A mix of body and head

[ocean spindle]

hel revo should kill a striker with a headshot and a bodyshot, like the dmr
if im not wrong it also oneshots shooters with a headshot but i might b flabbin i dont remember too well
so hel revo its essentially a dmr, but with more ammo, less range [10 vs 50], and penetration, which means hitting many enemies at once, in this case two

if hel revo doesnt oneshot shooters, then its the same as strikers probs, headshot bodyshot

[rapid briar]

Gotcha

[ocean spindle]

also if ur not reloading canceling with it, u should

it saves a big chunk of the animation

[rapid briar]

How do you do that

[ocean spindle]

basically u start the reload, and pay attention to the top right corner where ur ammo is
the moment the numbers go from 0 to 8, means its reloaded, but the animation keeps going

if u hit C right as the number changers to 8, ur melee will appear

then u can press 2 again to bring out ur revo, and itll be reloaded

[rapid briar]

ooh ok

tanku

does the scattergun have a good reload cancel too?

I pretty much always use the scattergun

[ocean spindle]

this methods way faster than just waiting for it, u can also do it switching weapons like scroll wheel but hitting C and then 2 its just a super fast way to do it

[rapid briar]

also the burst rifle?

[round arrow]

You can do it with all weapons

[ocean spindle]

most guns have a reload cancel, but not all of em are as useful as hel revos
burst rifle has an already fast reload but a bit of cancel, scattergun has a very eh cancel reload too

[rapid briar]

Sick

[ocean spindle]

since its kinda the moment u put the mag in

some guns like the bullpup or the hel rifle have pretty lame reload canceling

since at the point the number changes the reloads finished

[dry pumice]

The long reload time was what was supposed to hold HEL Rev back, but they never bothered removing the cancel and that's the reason it remains as S tier weapon to this day

The long reload is a fair price for the power it provides, but people just removed the downside.

[rapid briar]

wacky

[left mango]

"C" as in crouch?

[ocean spindle]

no thats left control
C draws out ur melee and does automatically a shove

works good when u have an enemy inside ur group

so u can stagger, charge and hit

[left mango]

aaah rebinded that, but i get the point now

i had to rebind because i can't stamina-sprint with shift as sprint & CTRL as crouch

[noble wind]

stamina sprint?

[left mango]

sprint duck sprint duck sprint duck

[noble wind]

oh that

iirc they made it so there is no difference

just save your fingers some years of strain

[left mango]

wym it definetly has a huge difference

i could sprint trough entire maps without hitting high heartrate >.<

i tested this personally

[noble wind]

minmax gaming sucks

just play the game nerd

[left mango]

having a slowpace walk bcause of heartrate sucks more imo, could be personal

[noble wind]

just walk for few seconds and u recover

[left mango]

yeh i aint falling behind, thats a no-go and the stam-sprint literally 0 effort if rebind to C

[noble wind]

embed fail

[left mango]

shrug

[noble wind]

do you min max sleep 🤔

[left mango]

i'm an insomniac, so yes

😄

Why am i the one getting shit thrown at me when i literally see everybody do it >.< i mean..

[noble wind]

its fun when its a newbie

[past mesa]

We throw shit at everyone

[keen seal]

monkeys at the zoo

[past mesa]

Just you got on the soap box

[tardy ingot]

Gotta add to this

10 meters is its fall off. But its effective range is noticeably higher vs shooters and strikers (hs + bs kill range is quite long)

[left mango]

Good day D4RK!

hope the presentation went well

[tardy ingot]

nop

blackout

[left mango]

😦

[tardy ingot]

not in the mood to talk about it

Just sucks and it happened. Cant rly do much

Doesnt necessarily means i flunked but it is just ass

[left mango]

roger that

[tardy ingot]

ill know by next week prob

[narrow niche]

Rip

[ocean spindle]

sorry about that

[olive smelt]

Hello all!
where can I post an in-game bug report?

[livid stone]

technical support maybe

[olive smelt]

thanks!

[rapid briar]

how the hell do you deal with charger scours

scouts

[past mesa]

There are many ways

Just c foam it

Shoot it

Or sync hit it

You can also stack two mines to kill it

You can shoot it while your turret shoots it to make a few weapons that can’t kill it can

[rapid briar]

:3

[dry pumice]

Cfoam or any 30+ dmg weapon to the spine are the 2 most reliable ways

[rapid briar]

they’re so fast

[past mesa]

You should learn the sync hit

Tbh

[dry pumice]

Meh

Too much risk

Only did it once in my life

[past mesa]

Zero risk

[dry pumice]

Cool trick, but i'm too used to cfoam ways

YOu can also stack +Melee damage boosters until your weapon can oneshot them from behind

[past mesa]

I don’t want to take c foam into levels where you just need to kill like 3 of them

[dry pumice]

Is there a single level that has those guys but also 0 doors to minefoam

Probably some reactor or whatever, right?

[past mesa]

Levels you just don’t want foam in but you have to kill them show up a lot in modded

But in vanilla the game is kinda such a pushover with spawns you can almost always shoot them

Probs r6cX

I don’t really want foam in that level I rather had 3 turrets

[civic wave]

R5d1 kinda

[violet violet]

can the precision rifle 1 tap the charger scout in the back?

[noble wind]

nope

needs to be a 30 dmg gun to 1 shot them in the back

[violet violet]

ight ty

[noble wind]

or a high rpm 10+ dmg gun

[dry pumice]

Yeah, can't even two-tap the damn thing

13 dmg breakpoint goes... not hard. Not hard at all. Kinda cringe, actually.

Oh boy, i love precision rif~

[lone mortar]

No can do here said the BBC towering before you

[scenic tangle]

In r8e1 can you do the secondary after getting the checkpoint? Is the only downside the walk of shame back?

[noble wind]

Yes

[ocean spindle]

damn i never thought of that

[digital mural]

i have to try that

maybe that way you save the trouble of the extra hard waves?

[noble wind]

Yes sir

[hazy wedge]

It ain’t even bad if you do it at the start 😭

[digital mural]

honestly

i dont even seem a notable difference between R8E1 with and without sec

it feels "harder"

but not as hard as someone would think

[noble wind]

Doing secondary first makes it so you have all doors unlocked by the time you get to them instead of waiting lil bit

[digital mural]

i think it also spawns more shadows?

im not sure

[noble wind]

Halfway through the waves are mostly giants

And nightmares too

Feel like shadows arent spawning as much

[digital mural]

bro
i only saw like 2 nightmares

[noble wind]

I've had at least 12

[digital mural]

Huh

so R8E1 sec opens all doors and spawns giants and nightmares?

hmmmmm

[scenic tangle]

The wiki says more snatchers

[digital mural]

yeah

i think its a total of 3

1 in the key room and 2 in the big room

if im wrong someone correct me please

[noble wind]

No
What I mean is the time you take to do secondary and back track is enough that doors will be unlocked by the time you get to them

So no waiting for some time

[digital mural]

ah, that

[noble wind]

Especially on the cp door

[digital mural]

tbh
R8E1 is better with secondary on

because
no waiting

:D

as you said

[noble wind]

That segment would have been perfect if u had to do more to actually unlock kds deep apex door

Also doesn't make sense that we get there in 10 mins while other team take 10x 'longer

[digital mural]

||im sure OG team wakes up before ALT team||

||and by the time OG turns on the reactor or something ALT team is just being deployed||

spoiler bar just in case

[left mango]

R2E1 doable with 2 people + 2 bots ?

[noble sierra]

Yes, as long as the fog turbine carry bot doesn't mess up the pathing algorithm

[digital mural]

yes

but really hard

[civic wave]

I mean

it's during an error alarm so will a bot really pick up the turbine?

[left mango]

bot refuses to pick up anything or listen to any commands while in combat

[noble sierra]

Hm......that's a good question

[civic wave]

you can just have 1 person use turbine and the other do cell/baby and go bit by bit, or maybe even ignore the turbine altogether if you have a few fog repellers about

bots should do ok with shooting waves

[past mesa]

But you just don’t need to bring turbine

Just tank fog and deal with the consequences

People have duoed the level

Without hel shotgun so it is definitely possible

[fleet shadow]

I've noticed a sprint pattern where you alternate bw sprint/crouch - whats the purpose?

[odd pasture]

preserving stamina

[ocean spindle]

its a lil faster
but these are like super minor things

most people just do it to have somethin to do while runnin

[worn crow]

Hilarious how the only good use for dashing I’ve found is to use it in stealth (counts as walking)

Handy way of getting a little bit further or positioning yourself behind chargers

[cold quarry]

yes but extremely difficult unless you're super experienced

[craggy pier]

@floral acorn for latest ver of better bots do i put false for the aimbot value?

[lusty bramble]

Take a guess

[floral acorn]

if u dont want 100% accuracy, your choice

[craggy pier]

i did, but its worth asking anyway since i know nothing about coding

[lusty bramble]

Pretty sure that's just literacy

[trim rock]

If you use the betterbots 100% accuracy you’re officially cringe

Leave it off

@craggy pier

[craggy pier]

I am very aware, I was asking specifically so that I dont use the aimbot version

[waxen cipher]

Does the run + slide rinse and repeat thing still conserve stamina

[ocean spindle]

yeah, and it makes u lil bit faster
but its such tiny changes it really doesnt matter

most people do it just to, have somethin to do while runnin across the map

[rocky snow]

hello just a general question. im surte im blind but what types of command keys can i type into terminals

[digital mural]

you can type COMMANDS in the Command terminals and see the commands you can use
if thats what you mean

[craggy pier]

was alt r5 tuned down alot compared to og

maybe ive just improved alot but judging off memory alt feels significantly easier

[ocean spindle]

i mean guns are stronger
if u played the very very first version of r5 that one had a ton more respawn zones but those got nerfed while the OG was out

and i think the only- level that had a nerf was the e1

[craggy pier]

i played w/e the latest version of og was

[craggy pier]

well the last thing I noticed was the secondary bulkhead scan on B3 is significantly easier in alt

B1 ovl has 1 less charger scout in reactor bridge, very minor but an obvious nerf

[ocean spindle]

... may be the guns
since that scan like gets so many bbcs, but nowadsys theres scattergun and burst cannon and what not and stagger weapons for em
and same goes for the tanks
but to my knowledge, it hasnt been nerfed, its just the weapon upgrades

[craggy pier]

I know some level elements have def been nerfed, but the guns being significantly better is probably the main culprit

[ocean spindle]

yeah
i mean i dont think they compare to the very broken guns of the OGs, like burst cannon n stuff- the modern ones defo weaker

but theres more, options and mains have pretty much only gone up

[craggy pier]

bruh-ttergun is a crime and needs to be nerfed immediately

[ocean spindle]

it has 128 and 14 bullets
do that

its- its not that hard why does it have 16 now

dudmb

[craggy pier]

yeah man haha just instakill mom and like kill pmom without her birthing super poggers and balanced

[arctic marten]

its for the achievement idiot

[ocean spindle]

well thats also client shenanigans tbh

i should get the achievement

while i can

[craggy pier]

achievement hunters trying to get pmom achievement after scattergun gets halved damage and 1 mag

[arctic marten]

foam

[craggy pier]

anyway

[ocean spindle]

4 foam launchers

[arctic marten]

if you post anime girl emotes i sincerely hope your roof caves in

[ocean spindle]

tbh it, wouldnt be that bad either as long as two people hel shotgun babies and then just, 4 burst cannons or shotties or whatev els

[ocean spindle]

what if i do an emote of myself do i count as an anime girl

[craggy pier]

[tardy ingot]

That was always 1

[ocean spindle]

was it

i remember two, am i dumb

[craggy pier]

im 99% sure there was 2 in og

[tardy ingot]

unless it was a pre/post nerf thing in og id say no

cuz we shot it when i came back post nerf

pre nerf of r5b1 had bbcs and scouts in the hsu zones btw

[arctic marten]

anything i would like to say to you gets automodded

[craggy pier]

truly unfortunate, my dms are open if you need to express your distaste

[arctic marten]

nah im sure you get the idea

[craggy pier]

I do dw

[ocean spindle]

i quickly checked a vid of r5b1 og- theres just one

[craggy pier]

im insane

[ocean spindle]

same

[craggy pier]

was there 2 originally? and I played a diff version?

[ocean spindle]

no there seems to b only one

[arctic marten]

no there was always 1

[craggy pier]

yeah im delusional

too much anime

[ocean spindle]

maybs we, confusing it with some other tile? of some other level?

[craggy pier]

ok but the r5b3 sec door scan was def harder in og i remember it went down into the fog in a large tile and u couldnt use doors cos they'd go down the ladder directly at you

[arctic marten]

which sec door scan

[craggy pier]

secondary/extreme bulkhead door scan

mb

[arctic marten]

it should be full fog either way

[ocean spindle]

it does go down into the fog

[craggy pier]

yeah but

u have doors u can mine and foam now

and its in a small tile where u can lineup enemies easily

[arctic marten]

yea u right theres no doors

i honestly couldnt remember how the alt scan goes

[ocean spindle]

uh its, two doors, one to the left one to the right

in a, kinda hallway tile

[craggy pier]

yeah but in og there were no doors u could use

anyway

not a huge thing just something i noticed

[ocean spindle]

not like u would bring foam to that level either way

[arctic marten]

og was def harder there

[craggy pier]

yeah

[craggy pier]

we did

[ocean spindle]

... why

[craggy pier]

like an hr ago

uhhhh idk i used it on the first and last scan

[ocean spindle]

i forgot theres a last alarm

[craggy pier]

yeah it was helpful there

we were v low on ammo on extract

[arctic marten]

how

[craggy pier]

probably skipped a pack or 2

[ocean spindle]

secondary can drain u if u do anything wrong

[maiden star]

can I join a rundown mission that i do not have unlocked and if so will it be unlocked if beaten?

[noble wind]

yes

[maiden star]

can people join mid-game via discord invite?

[noble wind]

yes assuming there is an open slot in the lobby

[misty zodiac]

hey all, I got a question about alarm mechanics, as a relative beginner. Are travel alarms the same as surge alarms, with the traveling aspect? Should you try to eliminate all enemies as quickly as possible for travel alarms, or is there another strategy?

[hazy wedge]

I've no idea what a travel alarm is. A T-scan?

[misty zodiac]

basically any time you have a moving security zone

and enemies keep spawning seemingly non-stop

[hazy wedge]

I'm gonna assume you mean a T scan. Just kill while you're moving with the scan, and just making sure you're always on the scan

[misty zodiac]

oh alright, didnt know that was the common name, ty

[waxen jetty]

If u get overwhelmed just step off and clear wave on u

= win

[craggy pier]

what causes error shutoff commands to fail

[ocean spindle]

i mean, T for travel

[ocean spindle]

like the deactivate_alarms? nothin should

unless theres no alarm

[hazy wedge]

Read my bio 😔

[civic wave]

deactivate_alarms should work fine as long as you're stood next to the terminal for long enough

other than that I guess desync or user error

[craggy pier]

would have been desync then

[quick ember]

What is the best way to start learning the game?

[noble wind]

did u play the tutorial

[quick ember]

Yes I did, think I should replay it tho.

Probably a good thing to do now that I think about it.

[noble wind]

after u do that u can play with others in #lfg-beginners

r1a1 or r7a1 is a good place to start

[dry pumice]

Complete tutorial to understand basics of basics then play R1A1 with bots or something to practice basics more. Or find a tour guide to explain things.

Just experience of the game "as-is" is the best teacher here. The longer you play and clear missions the better you will understand how things interact.

[round arrow]

I heard rumors on here that this game will go "cold" after a year or so. Is there any credence to that? Is this game going to become unplayable?

[noble wind]

any game with no updates will eventually go radio silence

[round arrow]

Not the same thing. I mean, is the plug being pulled, or is it just natural disinterest that they're referring to

[noble wind]

natural disinterest

[ocean spindle]

the game did had its last content update
but itll always be up

cause it runs on peer to peer

[round arrow]

Yeah, so if you can get some sickos, you'll always be able to play

[digital mural]

ye

[ocean spindle]

is the achievement for r8d1 individual or for a team

[noble wind]

team

[digital mural]

what does the achivement say?

if its the heal/desinfect its team

[noble wind]

beat r8d1 without using any meds/disinfect

[craggy pier]

its rly easy if ur team isnt trolling

[dry pumice]

I did it with bots, so...

The no Disinfection is an overkill IMHO.

[craggy pier]

how did the bots not ff it

[dry pumice]

Like there's literally only one disinfectant and its dis station.

[craggy pier]

bots rando pickup and use shit constantly

[dry pumice]

Which is also always placed dangerously close to the fog turbine and anyone going for the trubine risks miss picking and ruining the whole thing.

[round arrow]

Yeah I love when the bots shove mines into my inventory. That's definitely the top priority guys

[noble wind]

if a bot picks up a med just disconnect him

[digital mural]

its all Bishop fault

[dry pumice]

I didn't open any lockers or crates until I used terminal to confirm which ones had a medkit in it.

Worst case scenario - you can pick up the found medkit and just carry it around.

[round arrow]

My special little medkit :3

[dry pumice]

The truly problematic part is killing the tank without bots going 20 HP right off the bat.

Solved by bringing 2 sniper sentries and pointing them to his flank. They get a bunch of free shots on him while he's trying to approach.

[noble wind]

scatter the gun and fight him face to face

[dry pumice]

Too risky also. And youre the host by default so...

I'd rather bring sniper Rifle at that point but it's pretty much useless after that. Not a single normal giant or hybrid.

[noble wind]

its lot less risky than trying to kill him slowly with bots

[craggy pier]

lol

[dry pumice]

I had choke mod I think. x1 prec comes in handy.

[craggy pier]

1x crit multi enjoyers when they see 4 bbcs belting down a lane at them

[round arrow]

Is there a better level for practicing killing scouts than R8C1?

Asking more out of curiousity than a need

[digital mural]

there is a modded "rundown" where you can practice killing scouts

[craggy pier]

get the scouts mod off r2modman

first mission is legit like 50 scouts and if u fuck up u die basically

very poggers

will make u good at kill scout trust me

[mental furnace]

It's only partially peer to peer. Lots of stuff still relies on Steam and 10C servers.

[craggy pier]

need to 100% gtfo before its shutdown for good

[digital mural]

you will shutdown before you can 100% GTFO

[craggy pier]

maybe

we'll see

im pretty close

[round arrow]

So I need to be less antisocial, got it

[digital mural]

Ooooh? how much you have left?

[noble wind]

make sure u log so we can discuss the lore 20 years later

[craggy pier]

13 achievements but its only logs and clears, of which i have 12 logs left and 5 level clears left

[digital mural]

damn

good luck

i hope you know exactly which logs you have left

[craggy pier]

wait

i need to descend 50 morbillion meters into complex as well

[craggy pier]

i do thanks to the log tracker

[digital mural]

you have to also complete the level

[craggy pier]

thank god i play with good players then

[digital mural]

lol

[digital mural]

eat the cat

[craggy pier]

maybe i should pub until i get that achievement

make me hate the game so i never come back after 100%

[burnt bear]

my friend and I are going to attempt E2 again if you're around

[rapid briar]

me cooking up the last sleeper because I’m hungry

[left mango]

Does burst canon still 1 burst giants?

[mossy aurora]

from the back

[left mango]

what about Hybrids

[noble wind]

2

[left mango]

both front & back?

[noble wind]

From the back leaves them low hp

Front takes 3

[ocean spindle]

its like , 60 60 60 dmg
well technically its 66 but

yeah

[torn sonnet]

\

[arctic nova]

will a IIX sryinge with a hammer kill a charger scout to the back?

[digital mural]

i believe yes

[ocean spindle]

yes

[digital mural]

with a full charge

[ocean spindle]

and from the front i think too

hammers 20, IIX its x3 dmg

so its 60 hp, same as the scout

[digital mural]

Sorry for the late reply

i got a bit busy

😔

[ocean spindle]

bussy

[burnt bear]

we're gonna attempt in an hour or so

if you arent busy still

[digital mural]

im going to be sleeping probably

[burnt bear]

no worries

[lone mortar]

E2

real

[burnt bear]

yeaa

[lone mortar]

i can go for a run\

[burnt bear]

prob running in about 30 mins

[burnt bear]

have to give forewarning my friend and i arent exactly good at e2 yet cause we can get to kraken but run out of time

[lone mortar]

dang it

ill be busy later

but back in an hour after

[burnt bear]

unfortunate

[brisk marten]

Bros

We've been at R2E1 for a bit over a month

Any pieces or advice for that map and its challenges

Especially the surge alarms

[waxen jetty]

skip and come back to it later

[digital mural]

yeah

that

skip to R3

[digital mural]

🙏

[brisk marten]

That might be a good call

We are getting excessively salty

[digital mural]

R3 is easier and more fun than R2

so enjoy

[brisk marten]

One guy does a small mistake

It's jover lol

[waxen jetty]

It's been a month since you started it so just play the rest of the game to improve your fundamentals

[brisk marten]

That's the other thing

How u really improve in game like this ?

[digital mural]

trial and error

a lot of trial and error

[brisk marten]

But like what am I trail and errorring?

[digital mural]

the levels, how to stealth, how to deal with enemy waves, mechanics, etc

oh yeah
and fast typing

[burnt bear]

ended up getting delayed waiting for my friend to shower if you're around somewhat soon

[lone mortar]

i need lunch lmao

ill be quick with it

[burnt bear]

[pastel elk]

Are the devs planning on updating the holographic sights ? I think they lack a little bit and they are the most noticable lacking feature for most players going in to the game for the first time.

[floral acorn]

i would bet 99.9% of features are finished and not to be revisited, so i wouldn't hold my breath.. there are some filthy mods that give some options but that's about it

[ocean spindle]

i don't think they, really lack anything
like they cool they fine, sometimes they can be a lil over the top but that's just the style of it

[soft crater]

The holographic sights are actually relatively good. however you will only really notice this when playing the VR Mod

[ocean spindle]

the only way they are bad its if u play on low textures

cause they look blocky

but thats a- settings thing

[dry pumice]

On the list of things to do - this is pretty much at the bottom. Guns come with whatever sight they have and are a pure stylistic choice by devs. There is nothing to "update".

DMR sight is notorious for being dirty as shit and also gets worse on reduced texture settings, but it's pretty much the only ugly duckling, and it's been here since forever. So I don't think anything is changing.

Game's update cycle is officially ended. We are to receive at least 1 more patch with bug fixes and balance changes, but after that it's radio silence.

You can always install some mods that temper with sights, although people might not appreciate seeing a thermal sight on guns it didn't come packaged with.

[left mango]

does jumping help with stealth at all? or is that outdated info

[noble sierra]

Short answer: no

[dry pumice]

I imagine never did, unless there was some weird ass tech back in the day.
It is counted as a normal action and will trigger sleepers to go scanning, but no immediate alert.
You may use it to get to better position and go around obstacles, but other that I don't see a reason to use it any more than you have to.

[left mango]

i'm making a raw guess here, if sleeper gets into phase1 and you jump a certain distance , the distance travelt will not awaken him more, amiright?

untill the landing occurs ofcourse which will create sound

[ocean spindle]

i think that was changed so if u run while jumpin and ur still on the detection circle they still count it as runnin

so they hard wake up

[left mango]

aaaaaah!

[shy hull]

if a bot has the bio tracker equipped, will it automatically ping enemies during waves/scouts

[craggy pier]

yeah

[shy hull]

ok ty

[dry pumice]

Not only yes, but they do it better than players do: extra range, extra angle, reduced cooldown betweeen pings.

[shy hull]

thats insane

[dry pumice]

Its to compensate their inability to make competent call outs. They will give vague comments on how many enemies are in the vicinity, but they wont warn you about the guy in the dark corner you're about to bump into.

[noble wind]

u can jump out of range and that wouldnt count until u touch the ground and get a stealth kill, bit hard to land consistently

[uncut slate]

can the hel gun pop a scout?

[noble wind]

back of the head yes

[abstract granite]

what rundown order would be best to start with? R1 or R6?

[noble wind]

1 to 7

[abstract granite]

thanks

[nocturne tide]

Trying to complete all the objectives with bots on R4, doing well until I hit R4C1. Does anyone have advice on doing the secondary? the 12 uplink terminal is brutal. Best i've done is trying to manipulate spawns by leaving open doors and cfoaming but either resources run out or they break in from another door and mess everything up

[light kestrel]

Play with people. Game is better that way.

[craggy pier]

yeah use real players

[nocturne tide]

I do but i also like doing solo as well

[craggy pier]

unironically the best piece of advice you could ever get is play with real people over bots

[noble wind]

you need to help with the fighting sometimes u cant focus on terminal all the time

you can do 2 sniper sentries mine bio

1 sentry on each side

[civic wave]

I'd probably advise burst sentry, maybe even go 3 sentries

but yea, shoot between waves when you can, and make sure your bots are using good guns

[nocturne tide]

Yea i'm thinking snipers might be good just to kill multiple enemies, usually i ADS the terminal screen during the uplink so i can figure out which code i need without going into the terminal too much and can shoot. I'm gonna see how snipers go then maybe swap to 3 turret yea

thanks!

[haughty island]

How many tanks spawns during third code faze in r8e2 secondary?

[weary mesa]

3

[craggy pier]

one of them likes to be late sometimes

[cursive maple]

has anyone here had issues with game audio? I havent played since r3 and wanted to get back into the game and have no audio if anyone could help id appreciate that.

[left mango]

Does combat shotgun one-shot scout from back of the head?

[ocean spindle]

i think it should but just in case u should hold it full auto

cause, spread does things

[hazy wedge]

Why are we combat shotgunning a scout

[rapid briar]

any tips for r4c2 PE? we've died 5 times from the surge alarms

[ocean spindle]

desperate times on run with bots

[left mango]

bcause i'm in a perdiciment

[hazy wedge]

Are the IDs in one zone or both

[left mango]

||HSU is in room with a scout, door on this room has error alarm||

[ocean spindle]

... r3c1?

[left mango]

yes

:c

[rapid briar]

every time it's been in one, i do not like that they can be split between the two

[native sun]

How much damage does combat shotgun do?
What is its precision multiplier?
(Don't know? Look it up on the wiki)
What is Scout's headshot multiplier?
(Don't know? Look it up on the wiki)
What is the damage from behind bonus?
(Don't know? Look it up on the wiki)
Can you do multiplication?

[rapid briar]

[ocean spindle]

sometimes a 'yes' its faster

u know

[hazy wedge]

Lol it's rare, it can happen. We did R4C2 today. Pull both surges at the same time. Make sure you have repellers. 2 sentries facing stairs, pick them off when they come

[ocean spindle]

'hey can gun to this'
'yes'
'thanks'

[left mango]

@native sun i don't want to keep my crew waiting for another hour while i'm doing wiki's, hence why i'm asking in GTFO related questions

[rapid briar]

we did that, with 3 sentries at the stair

[left mango]

exactly

[rapid briar]

and we lost

[noble wind]

Stack sentries on the stairs and maybe cfoam too

[hazy wedge]

Gun loadouts? We had wave clear guns like hel shotgun and mgs

[rapid briar]

two of us were using PDW, i was using a scatter, one had precision, i think the rest had double trash clear

[left mango]

imma just run in & melee, its fine i'll try

thanks anyways lol

[ocean spindle]

good luck, wait till its close to the door

[rapid briar]

we had a burst, shotgun, and sniper sentry plus a biotracker

[ocean spindle]

or, if its in the next room, more good luck

[native sun]

Ask question. Someone else has to look it up, do the multiplication to get you the correct answer. Get answer.

Seems like doing it yourself would be faster? No?

[tardy ingot]

Hel rifle angle

[hazy wedge]

2 burst sentries are fine. You don't really need scatter for the level. Thermals are really only needed for Overload

[craggy pier]

i love you

[left mango]

no rifle 😢

[rapid briar]

we are trying to do PE

[left mango]

imma just give it a run, wissh me luck

[tardy ingot]

as if you or i need to do the math

[craggy pier]

tru being smartass and I'm here for it

[tardy ingot]

but ye

its easier to generally know these things. But if you dont yet, asking is quicker/easier

[hazy wedge]

Yeah, as I said the thermals only useable for Overload. Anything before that is no point in bringing it

[craggy pier]

@left mango try it and find out :3

[rapid briar]

we need to do overload for pe

[past mesa]

@native sun could you do my math homework while you are at it?

[rapid briar]

that's not really a good tip cause we can't exactly swap our guns mid mission

[tardy ingot]

jelly did you bring 4 thermals or what?

[rapid briar]

no, two of us did

[tardy ingot]

[civic wave]

honestly I stand by this because people asking for the answer when they have the power to find it themselves drives me mad (half the time)

[hazy wedge]

Yes as I have stated again, your thermals are only useful in Overload, but you can't even reach Overload so bring something else

[rapid briar]

i'm just trying to figure out wtf we did wrong with our loadout

[craggy pier]

ur so cool uwu :3

[tardy ingot]

either you shoot the surges well with 2 burst sentries

Or you bring a hel auto sentry to delay at the stair case. Its rly not great but stalls there i guess

[rapid briar]

oh alr good idea

[past mesa]

Mg

[civic wave]

I'd say scattergun isn't particularly useful in that mission, and shotgun sentry won't be doing much good

[rapid briar]

what should i bring instead of scatter?

[tardy ingot]

you getting overwhelmed in the surge wave? Or when surrounded? Etc

[rapid briar]

surge

[tardy ingot]

wave clear

[civic wave]

the main issue will likely be poor shooting/movement/whatever else goes into taking the alarm the wrong way

[rapid briar]

everything until that is fine

[left mango]

well we died

[tardy ingot]

scatter doesnt rly do anything in r4c2

You melee giants

[tardy ingot]

F

R3C1 error can be tough

[craggy pier]

most op gun in game vs surge who will win

the answer will shock you

[past mesa]

You can run scatter no issue tho

[tardy ingot]

jish shut it

[civic wave]

Drop the shotgun sentry, maybe use 2 burst sentries, move with scans, shoot to stagger etc etc etc

[past mesa]

Literally is probs a skill issue

[tardy ingot]

you know that isnt the point

[ocean spindle]

r3c1 its tbh kinda the, hardest parta of r3 for me

[rapid briar]

i've mostly been using scatter for trash clear and occationally killing giants

[tardy ingot]

you can beat r6d1 with full scatter loadout

[past mesa]

Yo

[tardy ingot]

doesnt mean its smart, good or a nice choice

[hazy wedge]

Yeah the 2 surges are an aim check when they get pass your sentries

[civic wave]

Yes you can force scattergun on every mission but it's not going to be doing much good in the hands of someone who isn't prepared to use it

[past mesa]

It is a great choice

[tardy ingot]

i agree on the skill issue part

But guns do a lot when picked right

[rapid briar]

raaaaaah i hate surge alarms

[tardy ingot]

i hate this argument of „guns dont matter, get good“ cuz that comes from people who forgot how shit they were

[civic wave]

there are fog repellers you should be using in the surge alarms

[tardy ingot]

bring stuff like hel shotgun, combat shotgun or veruta machine gun
Hel auto pistol is also nice to cover for teammates

These weapons still need some skill to be used right but they will make the level a lot easier

[tardy ingot]

Also this

[rapid briar]

alright i'll use the hel shotty agaibn

[craggy pier]

remember to finish main and sec before doing ovl :3c

[tardy ingot]

but man

I could box people whenever they say this

You too @civic wave

[digital mural]

guns are good if you are good

=)

[tardy ingot]

guns scale with skill

but guns have different strengths and uses

[digital mural]

Slug is good

=))))

[ocean spindle]

guns dont matter, except when u dont have 2k hours, then they kinda mtter aquite a bit

[hazy wedge]

Short rifle is so good omg I might be pro

[craggy pier]

guys why isnt my hc pistol good against babies do i have skill issue?

[hazy wedge]

Ask Schaeffer

[digital mural]

scafer*

[tardy ingot]

and except when they suddenly actually wanna take shit weapons

4 sniper r8e2 looking might fun

[hazy wedge]

😱

[civic wave]

schaeffer only uses burst cannon and metal pipe

[hazy wedge]

I took sniper on r5b1 thinking I could see shit for the reactor obj

[digital mural]

me when sniper on surge alarm

[past mesa]

Insane how hard it is to see on that reactor

[tardy ingot]

honestly

„Weapons dont matter, get good“ is just as shit of an argument as „you cant clear this level without X“

[craggy pier]

use mat_fullbright 1

[tardy ingot]

legit have to take fucking foggies for that shit

[neon gust]

I think all of you are wrong

[craggy pier]

i agree BLACK_DRAGON

[neon gust]

and nitpicking shit to eachother doesnt add value

[civic wave]

it doesn't

[neon gust]

over shit thats just obvious

thank you for coming to my ted talk

see you in dens of wolfs 2025

oh come on

gonna be lit

[tardy ingot]

no dragon

Your ted talk is talkin about bots in 3 weeks

[neon gust]

we gun be payday

[tardy ingot]

scheduled when sniper gets another nerf

[civic wave]

we all already know that you don't help yourself by picking troll guns but you can compensate for that with skill

[craggy pier]

guys is short rifle good if i bind shoot to mwheel and pull down?

[native sun]

Real analysis? Hells ye that's the good math, lemme prove (-1) * x = (-x)

[hazy wedge]

Unironically chooses short rifle for E2

[tardy ingot]

And you can compensate skill by making it easier and picking more fitting/better guns

[digital mural]

bro just use slug and sniper

best combo