gtfo-related-questions

[nocturne tide]

Working on prisoner efficiencies, how often are error alarms tied to the overload objectives?

[noble wind]

a fair bit

[craggy pier]

Depends what rundown

But fairly often yeah

[nocturne tide]

Dang okay

[craggy pier]

Errors are fun

[dry pumice]

More often than not, its almost the feature of overloads

Its frankly a miracle if overload doesn't curse you with error alarm of any sort

Although it might do something else, like adding ALL of the fog into the level

[ocean spindle]

either secondaries overload or main objectives can add errors

it is not inherently tied to sectors

but it can happen

specially on a specific rundown, where they used error alarms quite a bit

[nocturne tide]

It's not that bad with people but I'm trying to do solo and it's kinda tedious

[dry pumice]

They do it 8 times out of 10

yeah, solo errors are cringe

[topaz anvil]

Solo R8B4

[ocean spindle]

bot errors are fun cause u do nothin bots just pew pew

[noble wind]

what about nightmare errors

[ocean spindle]

then u die

[noble wind]

[neon gust]

bot bishop was good on r8e2

he did good

more than 1 bot in r8e2 i feel it would be borderline impossible

[noble wind]

how bout 3

[neon gust]

naaahhh

kekw

[hoary mason]

I think there is already someone with triple bots on yt.

[hexed lagoon]

Weird question, but has anybody figured out how the Palette system works in GTFO for blender purposes?

Or how to functionally export the Palettes with the models/materials

[rain python]

3 black dragons on your team??? naaAAHHHHH

[slow stone]

probably

.t modding

[uneven gulch]

While we do allow the use of some QoL and visual mods, GTFO doesn't officially support modding. However, we do recognize that a GTFO modding community exists and if you are interested in them, you are welcome to check out the modding communities found in #hc-modded (If you have any more questions, please read rule #12 in the rules channel for more information.)

[slow stone]

theres an section for that kinda stuff there I believe

[hexed lagoon]

Ah gotcha

Mind a discord link or?

[fierce walrus]

theres a link to modding discord in #hc-modded

[hexed lagoon]

Ah right

[neon gust]

naaAAHHHH that would be crazy

[ornate elk]

Please, fix the bag: when i reconnect bots 2 times, they replenish resources the starting stating ones

[jagged shore]

i feel like you're probably asking them to fix it, because they had a lot of resources when you had to reconnect them
but realize it goes both ways so you can use it that way too

i do agree though

[whole grove]

Anyone having join lobby code issue?

[civic wave]

what kind of issue?

[whole grove]

steam server issue

[noble wind]

10/10 would recommend

[viral tulip]

question(probably stupid one) how do i make it where my mouse isn't just locked to gtfo because im running a dual monitor setup and i can't move my mouse to my second monitor unless alt tabing and using my mouse that way?

[olive robin]

is it fullscreen or windowed

[viral tulip]

fullscreen window

[olive robin]

all i could say is try the other ones

[viral tulip]

tried all of them still stuck to the window

[tepid sand]

It's because there is no borderless option

You have to either alt-tab out or windows key out

[viral tulip]

ok

[livid stone]

Seems annoying

[valid plank]

how to open zone 73 in R5D1? I forgot. Looking for a log in there
It's the one with lockdown at the start, after the first alarm

[valid plank]

nvm, i figured it out, it will unlocked after you shut down the reactor

[lone mortar]

Lmao

[lavish cairn]

hello spyrox

[deft chasm]

109775241293288463

[ocean spindle]

hello! u can check the LFG channels to share n join lobbies! the instructions are in https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/653623062964731920

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried, make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
and if you are new be sure to do the tutorial first [Training] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[random rune]

It also spawns a snatcher when opened, allegedly

[turbid horizon]

yeah

[random rune]

So grab the log before you get pulled into the darkness

[golden niche]

is the voice chat a new thing sice r8 if so is it prox chat?

[fierce walrus]

the voice chat has been around for a while and no its not prox i dont think, its just a regular voice chat but ingame

[narrow niche]

Just a while?

[fierce walrus]

when was it introduced? og R6?

[topaz anvil]

Long before that iirc

[fierce walrus]

damn

[topaz anvil]

R4 with the mm introduction, idk any earlier because I joined in r4

[fierce walrus]

i doubt it was before og r4

[noble wind]

someone need to make a prox chat one

[fierce walrus]

true

and also make it alert sleepers

lol

[noble wind]

will be lot of fun

[narrow niche]

Before that

[ashen frigate]

Not sure when exactly, but it was before 1.0 (OGR6)

[narrow niche]

was it rebirth?

or

wait no im throwing

was it after r2?

[ashen frigate]

I would say R2 or R3

But honestly I do not remember :)

[narrow niche]

:D

i think it was r2

[fierce walrus]

damn they were fast with it

guess it makes sense, they didnt exactly plan to have the game be played with discord

[tardy ingot]

wasnt it og r4?
at least thats what ive heard

[narrow niche]

:P

am i throwing

[tardy ingot]

idk

im not sure either

[narrow niche]

im pretty sure i heard it was gonna be added before r2

and then r2 released

and idr anything

like there was some article about how it was gonna be handled by third party something or another

[noble wind]

Does pmom now seem smaller or is it just me

[tardy ingot]

||r8a2 pmom is smaller||

[noble wind]

🫨

[turbid horizon]

why tho

[ocean spindle]

probs so u

can go into the door

otherwise would be blocked

[ocean spindle]

whats the next easy lvel to solo after r1b1

is it b2 or r6b1

[upper ginkgo]

prob r1b2

[digital mural]

Slendi is soloing levels?

:0

[ocean spindle]

i soloed a1 b1 before

[native sun]

R6A1, R8A1 as well

I think the class 4 on R1B2 can be scary solo, a lot of scan rng

[mossy aurora]

is that the one with lot of shooters

[native sun]

Yessir

[mossy aurora]

ew

[native sun]

R7A1 too, though you have to be pretty on top of things while carrying the baby to extract

[somber goblet]

Is this the end of the road for GTFO? No more content updates, new rundows or patches?

[ocean spindle]

there will be balancing and bug patches

but rundowns, no

its on the hands of modded now

[narrow niche]

are those even guaranteed?

[jagged shore]

at least one is more or less guaranteed but after that who could say

[noble sierra]

At least they'll make achievement count from 188>186

[tame fulcrum]

The devs focus will be on Den of Wolves for the forseeable future. Maybe once they got that running they can split the dev team to update both games with new content.

But at that point new Rundowns would need to be paid DLC or they just start working on GTFO 2. Either way GTFO has to make money to justify new content

[lucid sonnet]

So I'm under the assumption that for door pulled alarms enemies will always spawn 2 areas away (if they can), however, I've just had enemies spawn a single room away, despite the fact the other direction met the 2 areas condition...only thing of note was that it was an opened security door. Am I making incorrect assumptions about enemy spawns? This was the 2nd alarm in R7B1 (I think, was that mission for sure)

[trim rock]

@lucid sonnet Sometimes, zones have "doorless room dividers", as in section A and B, for example, without a door between them, but they still count as room A and B, thus being two different rooms. However, R6B1 does not have these.

[lucid sonnet]

Had to correct, it was R7

Whole area is zone 94a, no room divider

enemies still spawned

[trim rock]

Ah. That is simply an inconsistency made by devs for no reason whatsoever.

[native sun]

Almost every alarm has enemies spawn 2 rooms away, that is pretty much the only one that has them spawn 1 room away

[trim rock]

In that alarm, enemies just happen to staticly spawn in the zone where you pick up the cell

[native sun]

Just a weird exception

[lucid sonnet]

Ah, thanks. Thought I was losing it for a second there 😓

[trim rock]

[lucid sonnet]

Also am I correct in assuming the IIX syringe's effect is lost after the first melee attack, not for the whole 8 second duration (as the wiki states, but this seems completely incorrect.) Perhaps it was changed?

[trim rock]

It lasts for 8 seconds.

If you don't melee, it's lost.

[lucid sonnet]

I hit an IIX syringe, immediately charged with hammer and killed a hybrid, the yellow healthbar effect (indicating the syringe) immediately went away after the attack

[trim rock]

Ah, you mean that. Yeah, I'd say it's just oversight on the Wiki, I've always thought its single hit only.

[lucid sonnet]

The wiki page indicates "Using an IIx syringe provides a 3x melee damage multiplier for 8 seconds. They also give the player between 3% - 10% infection when used."

Makes no implication it wears off after an attack

[trim rock]

Might want to bring it to #wiki-chat

[lucid sonnet]

Ah I didn't know there was one, thank you!

[trim rock]

In case someone wants to fix it

[tardy ingot]

This is wrong actually

They spawn on both sides

[ocean spindle]

yes

[craggy pier]

ok why is my game

lag spiking evever 2 seconds

precisely

every second it lag spikes and then again after 0.2 seconds

[dry pumice]

is it a new behavior or

[craggy pier]

yes

even in the menu

[dry pumice]

PC dying in one way or another

Run the usual routines:

• Verify integrity
• Drivers
• Check if your PC is not choking on dust
• Maybe run some software or another, check temps in general

[craggy pier]

TEMPS ARE FINE

IT'S NOT THE TEMPS

[civic wave]

drives?

[craggy pier]

literally upgraded them to lastest 3 days ago

[civic wave]

I had overwatch do a similar thing with running at 1fps when my SSD shat it pants and died horribly

[dry pumice]

Had the issue, by any chance, presented itself after that?

[craggy pier]

wno

happened once before too

[dry pumice]

Any other notable changes recently? Installed any new software, run some sus .exe files?

[craggy pier]

non

the game just started doin this

[dry pumice]

Then i can only suspect the march of time

Something's failing, but no idea what

[craggy pier]

THE PC IS NEW

Im gonna murder someone

[dry pumice]

If only this was a world where it mattered 😔

[craggy pier]

why am i cursed

always to suffer bad frames

[dry pumice]

Its a feature of reality. Things degrade and fail, inevitably.

[civic wave]

I guess the thing to do is go through basic troubleshooting

all power cables and components plugged in correctly

maybe check disk speeds with crystaldiskmark or whatever it's called

[olive robin]

whats task manager say

[craggy pier]

nothing's struggling

[olive robin]

so nothing is struggling but your game is spiking

[civic wave]

task manager isn't that great for figuring stuff out

[craggy pier]

yes

[civic wave]

what's your gpu % at, and what's the cpu % at?

for utilisation numbers

[craggy pier]

41% and idk

60%

45c

[civic wave]

seems alright, no obvious bottleneck

[craggy pier]

yeah my pc doesn't like using resources apparently

[olive robin]

and u alr tried just changing settings 1 at a time?

[craggy pier]

it doesn't happen when the game is windowed

[civic wave]

I mean, it's not your PC's fault that the game is horribly optimised

[olive robin]

and you are sure GTFO isnt using integrated graphics or something?

[craggy pier]

but that also caps fps at 70

how would it even do that

[olive robin]

cause games do that sometimes

[craggy pier]

i don't think my cpu has igpu it's a 7600

[olive robin]

then it prob doesnt

[halcyon current]

Do you have a Nvidia card and did you update drivers recently?

[olive robin]

so it lags when you are not capping fps to 70?

[halcyon current]

Everyone I know that has has had awful performance out of everything

[craggy pier]

yeah i guess

[olive robin]

try capping it to 60 or w/e in game ig?

[craggy pier]

monitor: 144hz

[olive robin]

ok but try capping it

if it doesnt lag when its locked at 70

but lags when it isnt

try locking it and playing fullscreen

[craggy pier]

still happens

im so done

im gonna buy a ps6 when it comes out and never pc game again

[olive robin]

no

dont do it

anyway uh

[olive robin]

play windowed! (borderless maybe idk?

[craggy pier]

none work

and i don't wanna play at 72fps

[olive robin]

then you wont want to play on a console

[craggy pier]

consoles are actually optimized

[olive robin]

and capped fps

[craggy pier]

they have high fps settings

i don't wanna deal with this shit anymore

[olive robin]

ok

[craggy pier]

and now it's suddenly fixed

[olive robin]

Curse of Ra

a stray particle from the sun struck your computer just right to fix it

[topaz anvil]

Uhm akshually, the sun emits waves, not particles ☝️ 🤓

[waxen jetty]

Photon does not exist

[noble wind]

rays* 🤓

[narrow niche]

:/

[olive robin]

I think you should go to the sun in person, and tell me if it's particles or waves after getting up close and personal

[past mesa]

Done this he waved hello when I showed up

[tepid sand]

@craggy pier CPU Culling?

[tepid sand]

It might have reset to default settings based on this

[topaz anvil]

I will do it!

[fallen kite]

How do you kill big sleepers solo?

[topaz anvil]

What melee/

[turbid horizon]

timing

[fallen kite]

Sledgehammer or spear

[turbid horizon]

or with spear, you just poke it

Or bat

[fallen kite]

or any that you reccomend

[civic wave]

try to stay behind them for back damage multiplier
target their limbs for long stagger

[digital mural]

full charge every limb

[turbid horizon]

Bat/spear are easiest

[digital mural]

to keep him stagger

[turbid horizon]

Hammer slightly harder

Knife really hard

[fallen kite]

I find he doesn't stay staggered long enough for me to get another full charge hit off though

just starts flailing around and I get one shot

[digital mural]

it does
you just need good timing

[turbid horizon]

yeah it’s like slightly over half charge

Not full

[fallen kite]

right okay

[turbid horizon]

full will get you killed if you use hammer lol

[fallen kite]

it has

twice

lmao

[turbid horizon]

bat will be fine

[digital mural]

funny hammer

also dont even try to melee it with a knife

it will end badly

[turbid horizon]

no do it

[fallen kite]

I watched a guy do it on R1C2

[turbid horizon]

I have soloed giants with new knife

[fallen kite]

majestic shit

[turbid horizon]

It is fun

[digital mural]

fun until you get bitch slapped to the face LOL

i might have skill issue

[turbid horizon]

Difficult but fun

[digital mural]

so idk

[fallen kite]

i'll try it after I get it down with the hammer/spear first

[ocean spindle]

tbh i wouldnt recommend it a lot with a bat, due to the fact that u can only break limbs from the back, otherwise the bat will do a small stagger and give the big too much of an oportunity to scream lick or hit

[fallen kite]

I haven't even thought about using the knife normally

[ocean spindle]

if u wanna practice it, use the spear, the range really comes in handy

and it saves u being not on range for a slap

[turbid horizon]

Do it with bat before hammer tbh

[fallen kite]

makes sense, yeah

i'll try that rn

so TL;DR:
full charge hit from behind, then slightly over half charge hits to the limbs for long stagger until it dies

?

[turbid horizon]

Yes

[digital mural]

yes

[turbid horizon]

From behind as well

[digital mural]

you got this bro

good luck

[fallen kite]

theres one in the first room

perfect

[civic wave]

R2B2 should always have first room giants to practice

Otherwise r4b1 and r7c3 are other missions with first zone giants

[digital mural]

oh yeah

[fallen kite]

it worked but I woke up some other sleepers

[digital mural]

R7C3 would be a nice place to practice

[fallen kite]

had to dodge a slap bc his right arm was in the wall lmao

thanks for the help

much appreciated

[fallen kite]

i'm doing R1C2 atm

[ocean spindle]

c2 always has a pair in the first zone

[turbid horizon]

C3 has like 5 pairs

[fallen kite]

For the sake of ease i'm using a mod that reduces the number of enemies spawned by 50% flat, so sometimes a giant doesn't spawn in the first room

It's just so I cn actually solo the level without needing to get a bot in

[ocean spindle]

ah yes r1c3

mskdmkm

[ocean spindle]

i mean for mods u could just download some, practicing level for bigs, theres gotta be one dont it?

[fallen kite]

Oh no, I'm not soloing the level so I can practice killing giants

I was asking about solo-killing giants so I can actually solo the level

[ocean spindle]

oh

makes sense

[fallen kite]

oh yeah

how about alarms when you're solo

[tardy ingot]

alarms are the actual struggle in solos

the stealth doesnt need reduced enemies ever

since you can either just avoid it or take your time

[fallen kite]

right

any tips?

[tardy ingot]

have you solod other levels?

cuz r1c2 certainly isnt the easiest solo in r1

[fallen kite]

no, but there's 50% less enemies according to the mod I have so i'm hoping that makes things more manageable for me

[tardy ingot]

ya know

instead of doing that

why not try soloing other levels

but without the mod

or ease into it with a few bots

[fallen kite]

Idk, it was just the next level I had to do and none of my friends were on so I decided i'd try fuck around and find out

[tardy ingot]

theres a million better angles than installing a mod and doin it that way

playing with bots
finding people in this discord
etc

[fallen kite]

That does make a lot more sense but like

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'm just trying shit out

idk

[tardy ingot]

the advice is to not try out a mod that pretty much just a "cheat"

[fallen kite]

It's harmless if i'm playing alone and don't go around bragging that i've solod c2 when I haven't

[tardy ingot]

if you wanna progress, see the above
if you wanna do some cool solos. Start somewhere more approachable, then if good enough you can try r1c2
if you wanna try a cool solo asap, theres cool modded challenges specifically for solo

[tardy ingot]

sure

but theres also no reason for it

[fallen kite]

Yeah I realise that there's better approaches to getting good at doing solo runs, I just did the first thing I thought of to have some fun rn

[tardy ingot]

@past mesa PLAY LETHAL

tbh as new as you are halfing the enemies is gonna be the least of your worries on a solo run like that probably

starting on earlier levels isnt just more fun but also simply easier

[fallen kite]

yeah ikwym

[fallen kite]

I got jumped by a dozen chargers at the alarm door

humbled real fast

[fast solar]

Re: nightmare strikers
Both the wiki and the doc say that their stats are;
37 HP
2x back
2x tumor
No armor

But I swear I've full charge hammered their backs, just for them to survive

What's up with that

[eternal bridge]

No Precision bonus I think?

No idea. Ive always used spear and they die on full charge

Or at least most of the time

Gotta strike the front

[fast solar]

Striking the left shoulder from the back or the head form the front consistently kills, that's what I've resorted to.

I'm just curious what I'm missing reading the stat sheets.

[eternal bridge]

Well... These Nightmares are usually killed from the front

[fast solar]

Cuz smacking their legs from the back should also kill if the numbers are right

[eternal bridge]

Idk. These Nightmares have oddly different methods of killing

[fast solar]

But so far I've only seen consistency by hitting either the back or the front tumor

[light kestrel]

You're not misreading. The back damage multiplier is not binary and scales with angle outside 41.4 degrees. The model can be misleading as to what angle you're actually hitting.

[eternal bridge]

I never seen the back but the front is mostly the way since their heads are gone

[fast solar]

I've never had the same issues with charger doe, do the n. Strikers have different hitbox orientations?

OHHHH

I get it now

Tq

Do standing poses have the same misleading orientation as the hybrid crouching pose?

Or does it align with the visual back

[light kestrel]

It probably aligns better, but I don't know for sure. You also have to keep in mind that chargers have 7 less hp so the angle you can be off from their back is more considerable.

[fast solar]

Yea it sorta clicked for me a bit after your input

Thanks

[native sun]

You have a 53 degree cone for Nightmare Strikers, but a 75 degree cone for Chargers, pretty big difference in how forgiving it is

[shy hull]

What are nightmares

[lone mortar]

Alt world creatures

that mutates and or evovled even more

a smushed up mom wana be but turned into other other worse things

[shy hull]

When do i encounter one

[lone mortar]

Rundown 8

B1

[shy hull]

nowhere near that lets go

[olive smelt]

Hello all!
Please, any info how to kill the scout monster?
I've tried the big hammer with full charge in the head but he just doesn't give a dang about it

[lone mortar]

1st of all

did you walk up or run up to it touching the tentacles too long until kill time?

2nd: did you touch a smaller sleeper next to it

[olive smelt]

i've dodged all his tentacles and hit him when he was just walking around

[lone mortar]

or shoot, let enemies scream

[olive smelt]

no, full stealth

[lone mortar]

in the head full charge or body hit?

[olive smelt]

in my point of view it was right in the head but I may be wrong as the game could count that as a body hit
Hit in the head full-charge kills it instantly?

[lone mortar]

well yeah

you get a window to kill it

[olive smelt]

kay, gotta git gud
thank you!

[lone mortar]

no probs

just always back of the head and ur good

but if youre bold then a face plant hammer always seal the deal

[olive smelt]

ahah, got it

[shy hull]

once you get used to kill them w stealth just run up to them after a while w hammer charged

you have a small window to kill it once you actually hit a tentacle

[olive smelt]

also if im not mistaken he is immortal after he's started the alarm am I right?

for a short while

[shy hull]

yes

once hes screaming hes unable to be killed, once hes done you can kill him again

keep in mind if there is other enemies in the room once you triggered it, those enemies aswell will aggro

[olive smelt]

okay, thanks!

[quick linden]

Why are R1 through R6 labeled ALT://
But R7 & R8 are normal?

[noble sierra]

There's an OG version of R1 - R6

[hoary mason]

They were reworked.

[quick linden]

Can they still be accesed?

[hoary mason]

Yes. go to #hc-modded

But I would not recommend old rundowns for beginner.

[quick linden]

Fair

Thank you

[digital mural]

[craggy pier]

Lore reason: These happen in a parallel universe

Real reason: they're reworked

[soft crater]

[arctic marten]

🇸🇬

[frosty creek]

Anyone knows why I keep crashing on drop in R5B1 ? as a solo

[eternal bridge]

But there’s a scout that you CANNOT just hit the tent and run up to it and kill it

[craggy pier]

does anyone have the layout of r2e1

so i know where to go during the alarm

[ocean spindle]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2549656173

r2 og and alt maps

[craggy pier]

how can i stop being a dumbass

[noble wind]

go 7 days without ingesting sugar

[craggy pier]

that's not possible

[noble wind]

then you'll remain a dumbass

[craggy pier]

man i just keep doing the stupidest shit ever

im so ashamed of myself

waltz into an unexplored room and shoot because i thought it was clear

like what

ium amazed

[noble wind]

r2e1?

[craggy pier]

..yes

[noble wind]

cant imagine what fun stuff u experienced

[craggy pier]

it was fine

but again i went from 100% to 20% hp

and lost us ammo

like a dumbass

[noble wind]

there is always 2 zones full of resources u can open

[craggy pier]

im so annoyed and dissapointe because when i play by myself like, ok fine im the only one who suffers

but now other people are suffering

[noble wind]

we all make mistakes

[nocturne tide]

I am doing R4C1 and I'm having this weird interaction where if a cfoam on a door starts to break I can't re-cfoam. Like everytime I try it goes through the door on the other side. Hasn't happened on any other levels, anyone else had this happen?

[noble wind]

but just make sure you are holding your melee while doing it

[noble wind]

i heard restarting the game fixes that but im not sure

[tardy ingot]

gotta restart

its an issue that happens after a long session (similarly shooter projectiles may start missing you)

[ornate kayak]

does anyone know how to create a public lobby like so that people can matchmake into

[craggy pier]

can u get all r8a2 logs in one go

[noble wind]

Yes

But not currently

Open secondary bulkhead door and proceed with the main path but don't extract and head to secondary and do the funny room

[sudden scroll]

Does Chatter reborn mod contain spoilers?

[supple gust]

yes, but you have to manually say the voice lines that have spoilers

[sudden scroll]

hmm like the idea of having more voice lines is neat , but my group wants to avoid spoilers aa. are they like all under one catagory together or are they spread amongst other voicelines?

[noble wind]

Yes

Under "story"

[sudden scroll]

ooh okay that's good to know !

[fleet shadow]

I cannot figure out R2E1. how on earth are you meant to clear the back half of that level after the error alarm? just feels impossible

[past mesa]

Ummm you just kinda hold W play safe and fast

What exactly are you struggling with the alarms

Setting up resources

Not making progress

Do you have humans playing?

[fleet shadow]

i feel like the surge takes way too long to get to/set it up; we smoke the first half of the level so easily, its just once we enter, navigating with the turbine/cell/baby takes forever, and by the time we get to the surge, resources are dwindling and we feel so on the backfoot

yes humans

running:

1. heavy smg/prec rifle/cfoam
2. hel shot/bc/mines
3. hel shot/machinegun/shotgun sentry
4. hel revo/hel gun/bio

[past mesa]

Okay

[halcyon current]

Run forward, clear room, turn around, clear wave, run forward, clear room, turn around, clear wave is basically what my group did

[past mesa]

Lose the foam and run double turret burst sentry

[halcyon current]

Didn't bother with any sort of stealth

[past mesa]

Lose the shotgun sentry as well

[halcyon current]

I liked cfoam+Double turrets for that ladder segment ngl

[past mesa]

Unless you use c foam for the surge error

There isn’t really a point

[halcyon current]

I am unsure what exactly the foam man did after that until the final room where we sprayed it on the floor for the last security check

I carried a turret

[past mesa]

If you didn’t all step up for it

You probs didn’t do it right

[craggy pier]

u can foam ladders for the 2 fog surges

[halcyon current]

^

[craggy pier]

if u wanna megacheese it

[fleet shadow]

the c foam has proved really useful with all of the blood doors/the second and third surges

[halcyon current]

You c foam the ladder and drop 2 turrets at the bottom

And basically ignore everything that happens

When they start getting through towards the end combat shotty felt invaluable

[craggy pier]

dont put sentries, foam the ladder, and after surge run and do the next alarm

[fleet shadow]

we have been stuck on this level for so long, its pretty demoralizing

something has to change

just very unclear what it is that we are doing wrong

[past mesa]

Bring double burst sentry

[craggy pier]

watch a guide for it

[past mesa]

c foam is Brain cancer

99% of the time

[craggy pier]

fax but its also free

[past mesa]

If you do it right yeah

[craggy pier]

yeah that

[past mesa]

But players are stupid and don’t understand how and why you c foam ladder

Unironic skill gap in ladder foam

Literally insane

[fleet shadow]

im not really sure why cfoam is so useless to you

the one guide we watched specifically recommended it

[past mesa]

R you ladder foaming twice or once

[craggy pier]

they're not saying its useless

they're saying its brain cancer

[mossy aurora]

its only broken if you know how to foam properly, which you probably arent doing if you are struggling with the last part of the map

[fleet shadow]

thats not particularly helpful

[sturdy glen]

correct

[fleet shadow]

i suppose - what is the proper way to foam? can you explain or link me a guide?

we have been dumping cfoam on the ladder to the big fog room with the double scouts

should we be foaming all ladders in the second half of the map as well?

[craggy pier]

foam smarter not harder

[noble sierra]

You can do that, but that's still the easy part of the level

[halcyon current]

Nah, it times out, you don't wanna foam before you kill the scouts

[noble sierra]

You need to figure out the way to conquer the bottleneck

[past mesa]

When you get the the 1st surge during error you need to foam the ladder 2 rooms before the 1st surge

[fleet shadow]

agreed, we foam after we deal with the scouts

[fleet shadow]

okay, now that is starting to become very helpful

thank you for clarifying

[past mesa]

but that isn’t it

You also need to spawn block correctly so they use that foam

and you need to be stable enough to be in two places at once

[mossy aurora]

you also need to foam in singular large blobs and not spray over the ladder which makes it less effective

[past mesa]

Else just bring double turret

I personally think double turret is just way easier to preform

[fleet shadow]

okay, i'll bite

[past mesa]

Way less stressful

And actually builds the skills you will need later

[fleet shadow]

we run double burst? why not the shotgun? we've been using it at our feet to help clear the surges while we scan

[past mesa]

Shotgun is maybe the worst sentry in the game atm

If you are worries about clearing surge wave on top of you

Bring hel shotty

[mossy aurora]

shotgun runs out of ammo too fast, you want the waves to be thinned, not everything killed for the first 30 seconds and the last scan you have the full surge wave in your face

[past mesa]

Why is one of your players running pr

[fleet shadow]

this makes a modicum of sense

[past mesa]

for what purpose

[halcyon current]

Probably the thermal for the first bit of the mission

[fleet shadow]

scout clear, + the thermal for sneaking around the invis in the two side rooms before the second surge

• comfortability, honestly

[past mesa]

why not run pdw

[craggy pier]

by 2 side rooms u dont mean ur opening both right

[mossy aurora]

^

[past mesa]

Then something more useful in special

[fleet shadow]

we open both depending on our resource count

[craggy pier]

u waste more resources clearing them

[halcyon current]

^

[past mesa]

Not necessarily

[fleet shadow]

at times, but at other times its proven more useful than not

its situational

[craggy pier]

yeah if ur good and stealth hammer clear the whole zone

[fleet shadow]

we try to clear to our best ability with only one room

[mossy aurora]

you dont have to clear the zone, you can just sneak by everything

[halcyon current]

I understand not wanting to use PDW tbh, thing feels meh imo

[past mesa]

The thing

[craggy pier]

less meh than pr during a surge

[fleet shadow]

it feels pretty poor, ive used it a lot

[past mesa]

Is better than a pr

Holy shit

[fleet shadow]

but that is a fair point during a surge

[halcyon current]

That is fair

[craggy pier]

use mg or combat shotty in secondary

special

w/e its called

[halcyon current]

Combat Shotty feels incredible on R2E1 ngl

[mossy aurora]

95% of PR users are 5%/90% after a surge

[craggy pier]

so true

[fleet shadow]

valid points

[past mesa]

This player is ruining heavy smg pr

[mossy aurora]

ok hes 0/90

[fleet shadow]

do you just not clear with thermals? or are you sneaking with audio alone?

[past mesa]

It isn’t like they have a good choice tbh

[mossy aurora]

audio, and flashlight

[past mesa]

Yeah you don’t even need but

Ngl

[halcyon current]

There's a neat little trick with shadow giants where you can shine your flashy at their feet and they stay asleep

[fleet shadow]

skill issue, i suppose

yeah, we've noticed

[mossy aurora]

you can turn your flashlight on and sweep in a cone in front of you while walking and gauge where enemies are

[noble sierra]

I feel offended for some unknown reason

[fleet shadow]

lol

[mossy aurora]

⚠️ PR USER DETECTED ⚠️

[fleet shadow]

no offense taken here, genuinely just looking for help from those who have done this

bc we cannot do this as we are rn

[past mesa]

Have you completed first surge

In error yet

[fleet shadow]

no

actually yes

[past mesa]

Are you saving fog repellers

[fleet shadow]

twice

[past mesa]

From the beginning

[fleet shadow]

we are, generally 3-6 depending on how many we find in the beginning

[past mesa]

When are you spending them

[fleet shadow]

drop the turbine at the start of the first error surge, throw repellers instead

[past mesa]

Correct

[fleet shadow]

only during the very first surge

holding on to the rest

[noble sierra]

That's a combination I haven't try yet, gonna give it a shot

[fleet shadow]

so we throw pr away, pick up hel rifle instead?

ignore scouts?

[past mesa]

I am basis here

[mossy aurora]

you ahve a burst cannon....

[past mesa]

Because I would just take scatter

[fleet shadow]

fair

range on scatter makes it feel too niche

[past mesa]

It isn’t

[mossy aurora]

you have a burst cannon....

[fleet shadow]

but we could use bc for scout clear, i agreed already

[upper ginkgo]

burst cannon is wave clear now

[past mesa]

burst cannon is better wave clear than pr

Ngl

so easy to use

[upper ginkgo]

idk they're running 2 hel shotties, i don't think loadout is their issue

[past mesa]

No but I have a sneaking suspicion

[noble sierra]

Just make sure 2 hel shotties reload at different time

[past mesa]

They aren’t making the best use of who shitty

[fleet shadow]

alright, humor me then

[ocean spindle]

ba dum tssss :D

[fleet shadow]

in what circumstances do you suspect we are not properly taking advantage of the hel shots?

[upper ginkgo]

they're probably implying that you're using hel shotty at either unoptimal ranges, spamming it, or overusing your specials to wave clear instead of hel shotty

[past mesa]

Correct

2 hel shotty players shouldn’t be taking damage on the first surge on error

[mossy aurora]

and/or both hel shotguns are dumping their loads at the same time so you are destabilizing during the times they need to reload

[noble sierra]

But it feels good to hold the left click when using it

[fleet shadow]

certainly this is happening

[craggy pier]

fax

[past mesa]

Spamming issue

[halcyon current]

Local man ammo black hole

[past mesa]

R you pushing through surges

[fleet shadow]

no

[past mesa]

Or do you go backwards to go forward

Nice

[ocean spindle]

u can hear a lot of hel hottie spammin it holds waves but to use it like as efficiently iys shot at enemy that comes close, stagger it, and just keep going and eventually u will have ur big ball of enemies that u will just hit by going for the attackin one

[fleet shadow]

only around or we back off until an opening

[past mesa]

okay tbh I think this is not much of a loadout issue

And is more a gun skill issue

cause you seem to being doing the correct thing

R you opposed to boosters

[fleet shadow]

we've been using on occasion

[past mesa]

How quickly do you make it to error

[ocean spindle]

on occasion that not bad
not like the people who die inide when their 93 regen cap got used cause we and i mean i accidentally wake up all the scouts

[fleet shadow]

mmm, 1hr? 1.5hr? hard to tell

[past mesa]

On average

[fleet shadow]

that mission seems to be a time sink for us

[past mesa]

okay that can’t be happening again you are playing way to slow

[fleet shadow]

not sure why that matters, particularly

[past mesa]

Error you need to play fast

[fleet shadow]

oh

[past mesa]

you are playing very slow so you probs just can’t keep tempo

[fleet shadow]

you are talking abt from the start of the error to the first error surge?

[past mesa]

Your retry’s take 2 hours

[past mesa]

No I am talking the entire level to error

[fleet shadow]

oh yeah

it takes a long time

[past mesa]

because most of the players you are talking to rn take 30 mins or less

[fleet shadow]

which is partially why its so demoralizing

[past mesa]

When do you have free time today or tomorrow

[fleet shadow]

30 mins seems very fast

[ocean spindle]

how far have u been tryin this mission? do u have other rundowns to do or its all E1s?

[fleet shadow]

we've finished r1 and r3 completely, on r4a3 now in addition to retrying this level

it's been weeks, probably. we dont play all that consistently, but generally like 2-3x a week?

[pseudo coyote]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/481824707977412621/1201367363744956506/hel_shotty.gif

[ocean spindle]

tbh, if anythin id say, just give it a break
from D to E theres such a big gap, specially cause r2e1 isnt the easiest E tier mission annymore, so i just wouldnt touch it until u have more experience in error, on surges and on error, and R4 its so great for both cause i can think of so many errors and at least one level with surges

so id say, go for as much of r4, and when u get stuck go for as much of r5, and that should give u like a lot of training

tbh i would leave the E tiers at the very last thing ur gonna do in the game

[fleet shadow]

really

instead of just finishing rundowns as a whole?

[ocean spindle]

r2 r4 r5 u can come back to em, r6 its easy and shouldnt give u too much problen, r8 has the easiest E tier
so yeah, just leave em until u have more than enough practice and motivation again

[fleet shadow]

i think several of us are very ready for a break from this level, so im not against

[ocean spindle]

bashin ur head against an E tier its just gonna make u stop playin it

[noble sierra]

Yeah, keep playing other expeditions is fine

[ocean spindle]

and two weeks its a lot of time

[fleet shadow]

fair enough

[surreal lake]

Es kinda require you to meta, being familiar with a bunch of mechanics/decisions is a huge part of clearing Es.

[past mesa]

No just your free time we will do level with you and show you the pace

You can go at

[eternal bridge]

and kinda needs you to have agreat team cohesion

[fleet shadow]

starting to gather that

[fleet shadow]

im more than happy to take whatever advice youre willing to give me here, but i do not feel comfortable joining/playing w a team other than my own

at the end of the day, it is what it is and this is a game for my friends and i to have fun with. i play with them, and thats it

[ocean spindle]

maybs u find ur limit sooner in r4 and r5 cause they are harder rundowns, but u can do r6 to practice with an easier rundown and complete a good good chunk of it, and then come back to those two or even continue with a bit of r7

but yeah i mean i would just leave those E tiers till u at least done R8E1
which is the easiest E tier

[mossy aurora]

you can watch other people's clear runs of the map on the ending error part and see how they move/play

see what they are doing differently

[past mesa]

If makes you feel any better we would do a level you have cleared else wise I do get it

[fleet shadow]

we'll take that advice. gonna try running double burst, cfoam, bio. gonna try swapping pr for mg or some other useful secondary, and clearing the side rooms with audio/flash - maybe too dependent on thermals for the one room is a valid point

[pseudo coyote]

alternatively, you can go the boring route, hoard up as many shooters as you can during the error alarm sequence and shooter kite the level

[past mesa]

XD

[pseudo coyote]

(or wait for the shooter pellet bug where u dont take damage)

[past mesa]

Based response

[ocean spindle]

lmao

i mean just get a mod noclip end of the level it cant be that hard

[fleet shadow]

again, im willing to listen to your advice here, but we'll figure this out together eventually

[pseudo coyote]

shooter kiting is the solution to every level change my mind

[past mesa]

Kk

[surreal lake]

Keep in mind MG takes a bit of getting used to

[past mesa]

Just skip the level for now come back to it once you finish r4 c tiers

[fleet shadow]

can and prob will watch someone else run the level as well when we are ready

i do think a break is necessary for our morale lol

[ocean spindle]

that recoil on the veruta needs to be learnt for sure

[past mesa]

It will be way more efficient to learn to play faster in the mean time tho.

best advice you can do is just hold w for now

[pseudo coyote]

take 3 cfoam, shooter hoard, bring them up a ladder => go down => foam ladder => do remainder of level with nothing bothering you :p

[past mesa]

See your limit

[surreal lake]

Ye vet teams clear real fast, its kinda funny seeing 4 players jump into scouts constantly

[past mesa]

Not to much

It is just a gun and burst cannon and hel shotty take more time

To use well

[ocean spindle]

id say hel shottie if u dont know its use, if u do its way easier to use
but mg recoil hits, hits pretty hard

[surreal lake]

BCs fairly simple, just aim at the body no?

[ocean spindle]

eh the recoil can be fucky too and using it on smalls

its a learnin curve for sure

to not just magdump 3 bullets on one

[past mesa]

Bc is more simple than mg is insane

Ngl

[halcyon current]

I don't think either of them are like, wildly hard to use well

I think BC is harder to use then MG tho overall

[ocean spindle]

yeah i mean to get the juice of it for sure
but if u come from idk semis gettin used to the mg recoil at longer distances can be funny

hardest gun to use for sure tho
smg

thats why they give it to u in the training, those fucks /j

[surreal lake]

Revo/Hel gun are ones for some reason I struggle so much with

[ocean spindle]

maybs ur not used to ironsights

hel revo can be fucky also cause reload cancel

[surreal lake]

Do they feel better as host?

Hel revo I'm good, but special revo is ehhh...

[ocean spindle]

... no
well idk- i always feel the same, hel revo im a fuck but revo im good with

i guess its just positioning

gettin ina good place where they funnel

and u can aim super easily

and, reloading canceling of course

[upper ginkgo]

most enemies just run in a straight line anyways

[past mesa]

Just turn around for a second show them your but them they will

[craggy pier]

huh

[upper ginkgo]

intimidation mechanic

[ocean spindle]

me tryin to hit em while they strafe just to look cool:

miss miss miss miss miss miss reload miss miss hit

[upper ginkgo]

you can just wait for them to do tongue animation

[ocean spindle]

but doesnt look that cool

[upper ginkgo]

no one is impressed by hitting hs on strafing strikers

[ocean spindle]

me

i go "holy shit what a shot"

and makes it worth my death later

[upper ginkgo]

you've dismantled my argument...

[past mesa]

For all people there exists a majority( x)of people who don’t care about hitting shots on moving strikers

[ocean spindle]

:D

[halcyon current]

I appreciate when people have good aim fwiw

[upper ginkgo]

ew predicate logic

[past mesa]

OooooOOOooOoo scary logic

[craggy pier]

Why does intimidation mechanic exist

It complicates things for no reason

Makes sledgehammering harder to time

If there are more than 1 sleeper the forst guy in line gets intimidated and 2 end up charging you at the same time

[ocean spindle]

well enemy ai its not gonna make it easy on u

thats the point of the ai

[past mesa]

this is why it exsits

[ocean spindle]

they buddies they think alike

[craggy pier]

Hatred

[whole grove]

After you figure out that most surge alarm strikers have this you begin to realize how easy it is, and if it wasn't the case, it could be much harder.

More specifically the first surge alarm in R2E1 it's more apparent.

With stamina introduced into the game, it makes all the more worth while to charge hammer when needed, move when needed, and shoot when needed. Nothing more except what's required to not take damage or finish the alarm.

[lone mortar]

R2E1 is without doubt the 1st N+1 every wave

which makes micro managing pretty tight and macro even more obligated to look out for

[whole grove]

#gtfo-media I shared a GTFO kite guide from TOM. I think he demonstrates it best for exactly this part of R2E1, solo.

[native sun]

@fleet shadow This: https://youtu.be/1U1QuC0ANb4 is the error section from a clear of R2E1 I did with three players who had been stuck on the level for weeks. I'm also playing on one of the most sluggish connections I've ever been on (250+ms, connecting from Australia to England) so my gun skill is terrible - meaning this is not a carry through mechanics, but through strats. We play it incredibly safe, and even get some of the worst scan RNG I've ever seen and still made it.

This: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hRwV0NTaeYqIncQkUcALLbC-jvy2NPtw8qgbNrmN2nc/edit?usp=sharing is a detailed guide for the strats for the error section.

The biggest take away I'd give though is move quick and spam mines behind you. The less time you waste having to kill enemies the better. You should also bring weapons that kill enemies very quickly even in scramble scenarios (so not precision rifle and not hel gun), high cal, shotgun, combat shotgun are all great for the error section.

[whole grove]

[lone mortar]

Tomaski?

[whole grove]

Yeah, the one and only

[lone mortar]

i played randomized R7C2 with him

imagine the fog command but with a room that x3 in size and is a divide room

[whole grove]

Yeah GTFO random go hard, next thing you know it's scaffolding stairs and there's all tanks and p moms

[lone mortar]

E2 randomized

data center title set is fire

[austere cipher]

In R8E2, is secondary required? I.e., you can't just do R8E2 main? ||After we killed the kraken last night (for the first time), it said we had to complete uplink for the terminal in Zone 618, i.e. the secondary zone.||

[ashen frigate]

You have to do both in order to complete the Expedition.

In any order, mind you, but it would be preferable to start with Secondary for... Some reasons.

[austere cipher]

OK, that's what we inferred from what we saw. It's just weird because that makes the secondary essentially just part of the main.

[ashen frigate]

They have been experimenting quite more liberally with the concept of "layers" in this Rundown (some would say "finally")

[austere cipher]

well, thank you for the quick reply

[dry pumice]

I still don't understand why main is not doable without secondary.

Specifically i don't know what prevents you from just going for the alarm door? What does it say?

[noble wind]

the red error thingy

on first door

secondary unlocks the first door
kraken fight unlocks the second

[lilac fulcrum]

It says ||Artek, you are not permitted to leave without doing secondary. Others can, but not you. ||

[turbid horizon]

it's a really cool idea tbh

I've seen it in modded before and I love that it's in vanilla now

[dry pumice]

Weird

Why even have secondary at that point

Just a way to paddle that achievement i guess?

[turbid horizon]

I think it's just cool

[dry pumice]

Its completely unecessery

Add an overload too, while at it

[turbid horizon]

like you've messed up the complex so much that you need to power the reactor

[dry pumice]

Only fitting for the final level of the game to be a mandatory PE, don't you think?

[turbid horizon]

true

[craggy pier]

so you cant do e2 main only

[noble wind]

nope

well yes but mods

[craggy pier]

strange

[craggy pier]

Yo can you guys fix the SMC CUT MODEL 1 apparel, it still makes your hands dissapear sometimes when you melee

i really like the gloves on it

[dry pumice]

Also the finger looks broken when holding pistols

Its disgusting

[craggy pier]

how's knife vs nightmares in stealth

you can kill em with a toumor hit yes?

[dry pumice]

Yeah, i've seen WarpGate use it quite effectively. Somehow.

[craggy pier]

i wanna use knife but

feels like the worst choice

[ocean spindle]

think its a full charge to the tumor from behind while sleeping but im not at all sure

[craggy pier]

i vaguely remember doing that

28.05 damage from behind

times its tumour multi

[dry pumice]

at least x2

[turbid horizon]

yeah

knife can kill both

iirc it can do shooters to the front

[shrewd cape]

hello, does anyone know similar secret commands in the terminal like the "start light_testing,exe" as I'd want to screw with my friends when we're playing

[lone mortar]

error alarm command

super infectionous fog command

[shrewd cape]

ah so like "start error_alarm"?

[arctic marten]

fog: VENTILATION_OVERRIDE.EXE
lights: LIGHT_TESTING.EXE / YXKMOS.EXE
error alarm: THREAT_LEVEL_M.EXE
log: PRIVATE_ENCRYPTION.EXE

[shrewd cape]

thank u!

[lone mortar]

may your Ls be many and your bitches few

[shrewd cape]

[ocean spindle]

and also denofwolves.exe but

u probs know what it does

[craggy pier]

UH

we don't have enough ammo for the big mom?

in d2

this is stupid

man

so many tumors

[tardy ingot]

no scattergun

[ocean spindle]

what guns do u have to not have ammo

[trim rock]

Scattergun + Burst Cannon = Mom dead in 15 seconds

[ocean spindle]

theres also ammo in that zone btw

i didnt knew

until way later

[woeful jay]

Scattergun can already almost solo it.. but we love overkill

[tardy ingot]

i mean either it can solo it or it cant

but it definetly cant burst the matriarch down asap

[craggy pier]

we brought neither

[turbid horizon]

I like that name

Matriarch

[craggy pier]

qmom

[turbid horizon]

lmao

What about mmmmom

[craggy pier]

that's the kraken

[grave fulcrum]

Anybody knows this weeks password for R8A2 secret terminal, for secondary? I can't bring myself and my friends through another R8B2 playthrough.

[craggy pier]

@digital mural

[grave fulcrum]

I guess it doesn't work. Tried it. Failed.

[craggy pier]

mayb he hasn't updated his name yet

[grave fulcrum]

bastard

🙂

[ashen frigate]

This was indeed last week's password.

[minor fractal]

Does anyone know if the bloom setting actually does anything?

[mental furnace]

Yes, unquestionably #gtfo-media message

[fleet shadow]

real quick question: what is the hel pp

[mossy aurora]

autopistol

[fleet shadow]

thanks

[burnt bear]

currently in ||R8E2 and just put in the command to summon kraken but it didn't spawn, did my game just bug again?||

[topaz anvil]

||Main Waste Flush||?

[burnt bear]

||yeah and nothing happened, are we supposed to not have run out of time on timer? it happened right as we got there - area got foggy adn then cleared and nothing else||

[topaz anvil]

||If time runs out, your run is over regardless||

[burnt bear]

||fuck LOL ||

[topaz anvil]

||Did the waves of nightmares start||

[burnt bear]

||yeah im dead on floor and my friend is on a ledge LMAO||

[topaz anvil]

||What I suspect happened is the waves of nightmares clogged up the spawn count and the kraken couldn't spawn||

[noble wind]

Did u check whether the door opened after kraken didn't spawn

[topaz anvil]

homie their timer ran out, there's no way they are getting back to that door

[noble wind]

If they got ammo they sure can

Well perhaps not make it to the warp gate but worth the try

[burnt bear]

they just checked its locked down still

[noble wind]

The first or the 2nd door

[topaz anvil]

That door only opens once the kraken is killed I'm pretty sure

[burnt bear]

the one down the long hallway

[past mesa]

Yeah you need to kill enough of the spawn cap

[burnt bear]

thats so annoying

[topaz anvil]

you were seconds too slow :(

[noble wind]

Kraken opens 2nd door
Secondary opens first door

Rip

[past mesa]

Just don’t run out of time

You got this

[topaz anvil]

Did you clear the tank room and if yes, did that eat up a lot of time

[past mesa]

They probs did everything slow

Ngl

The timer should never be an issue

[burnt bear]

[topaz anvil]

Tbf the timer isn't that lax even if you move at a reasonable pace

Until you get about halfway where it starts giving you 8,9,10 minutes

[past mesa]

Timer isn’t close to running out you could skip a terminal or two and do it easy

[past mesa]

Did you get the 3 mins from kds deep

[burnt bear]

no did not

[noble wind]

45 from secondary too unless u failed several waves

[past mesa]

Before class 6

[past mesa]

You can do that after reactor

[burnt bear]

we did fail two reactor waves

[noble wind]

Ah

[past mesa]

Yeah just don’t do that

[noble wind]

Well hopefully next time it goes smoothly

[past mesa]

How did that happen

[topaz anvil]

Was it the end of wave 3

[past mesa]

If it was wave 3 and they didn’t die then

They are gamers

[topaz anvil]

I mean

tank ai stupid

they probably just struggled to get it to turn and reveal its tumours

[past mesa]

Tank ai is completely dependent upon player action

[topaz anvil]

doesn't change the fact that it's stupid 😔

least aggresive mf

[past mesa]

no you guys just are standing in the wrong place

Just turn around

[noble wind]

Who's looking and who isnt

[noble wind]

That too
But costs hp if it's in the open

[past mesa]

Yeah spend your resources

you have to do it or use piller room

[burnt bear]

this

and it was just me and one friend so we had two bots

so it went pretty slow

i got shotgunned by a hybrid through a forklift too

[burnt bear]

yeah it's our second try tonight and we got to kraken last time too but ran out of time as well

[past mesa]

oh nice stuff making it that far? R you using scatter

[burnt bear]

yeah

[past mesa]

On client

?

[burnt bear]

friend had scatter and whatever thermal primary

he was host

[past mesa]

You need to host for him ngl

[burnt bear]

i was running precision and bulpup

and had bots on hel revolver + machine gun

[topaz anvil]

Tank AI should be rushing down players constantly 😔

[past mesa]

????

Does he not perma rush at you

[noble wind]

2 player 2 bots? That's gon be fun

[topaz anvil]

naw, you look at him for 0.000452 millisceconds and he decides to back off

[burnt bear]

yeah we couldnt really find people and a lot of folks wanted experience in their lfg posts

we decided to just duo and take things very slowly

[past mesa]

Hmmm kinda goated to go for the e2 duo run with bots

[noble wind]

Making it to kraken is all the experience you need

Also good job

[burnt bear]

bots sometimes a little more useful than randoms

[noble wind]

Bot bio yum

[past mesa]

Not really for this level but crazy

[topaz anvil]

honestly I wouldn't trust these "Looking for experienced players" posts with how frequently I see E tier posts in Beginners 💀

[burnt bear]

for some reason they keep

self reviving and having ammo again so

[topaz anvil]

clearly they want beginners

[burnt bear]

i dont know if something's wrong with my game LOL

they just wouldnt run out of ammo

[noble wind]

That's your friend's doing

[burnt bear]

ah i see

yeah probably need that help considering we're in there as a duo

[noble wind]

If u disconnect bots twice in a row they reset to default values

[burnt bear]

doing d2 duo was really annoying too

[topaz anvil]

#lfg-beginners message

Case in point

[trim rock]

Post LF2M R2E1 in Beginners LFG
New players join the lobby.
Cage drops, first surge begins.
New players have no clue, die really quickly.
Lobby host becomes toxic and blames the new players for their incompetence
???????

[burnt bear]

on a lowkey point

is ambassador like a

"i probably know what im doing" role or

[past mesa]

No

[burnt bear]

is it overrated now and too many have it

[past mesa]

ambassador is then signing up for an email list

[burnt bear]

a while back everytime I had someone w/ the role join my friend & I's lobby they usually were pretty knowledgable and could help us through blind

[noble wind]

Nope just I want special email telling me when next rundown release

[burnt bear]

ah

[topaz anvil]

I have infiltrated the group

[digital mural]

send us your discoveries

[topaz anvil]

I will pretend to be new :D

[burnt bear]

yeah my friend and I would like to do E2 with 4 real humans but just haven't had good experiences since R8B3

[past mesa]

There are players around that do Carry’s and great lobbies

[burnt bear]

had a few people just up and leave after one mistake without saying a word

[past mesa]

but most don’t really like the infinite ammo thing

[digital mural]

R8 pubs are crazy

lol

[burnt bear]

or people who join and don't say anything at all / no communications

[noble wind]

NA?

[burnt bear]

yea

[past mesa]

Did you and your friend duo the entire game together

[burnt bear]

for the most part yeah

aside from like, rundown 1 and 2?

[past mesa]

And he was always host?

[burnt bear]

yeah

[noble wind]

Not so hot when EU is sleeping

[burnt bear]

i usually have spotty internet at times

[burnt bear]

well kinda assumed more ppl would play in evening cause it is a scary game and ppl back from work / dinner

[past mesa]

It might be your host has been a little funny and you might be lacking some fundamental skills for e2

[noble wind]

Well it's 3am+ in eu rn and NA isn't doing well in terms of players from what I've seen

[burnt bear]

ah

yeah i guess come to think of it my last few pugs have had i think what is some sort of european accent

[digital mural]

i can prob join you

if i can clear my schedule

[past mesa]

I could play later today in 3 hours or so

[burnt bear]

i'll see if the time comes, this was kind of the last day we could play for another week or so

[noble wind]

Surely they didn't make it far twice in a row with luck right
Especially after the reactor that wipes pubs if they haven't already

[digital mural]

what time do you usually play?

[burnt bear]

usually around this time

sometimes a little earlier

[digital mural]

alright thats great

[burnt bear]

i shit myself when i walked into the first reactor room and saw the error scans