gtfo-related-questions

[dry pumice]

Sleepers don't die when their head pops

[turbid horizon]

But it’s a difficult one to learn naturally tbf

[dry pumice]

Chargers don't have a head weakpoint

[rapid briar]

i mean it was pretty straightforward to me

[tardy ingot]

they dont teach it

[turbid horizon]

Like sure it teaches you but it’s pretty deep

[tardy ingot]

you can figure it out

[rapid briar]

their entire front is armored

[tardy ingot]

but thats a general approach to EVERYTHING

its not armored

[turbid horizon]

I figured it out from giants

[rapid briar]

it's not???

[turbid horizon]

but yeah

[tardy ingot]

its just normal dmg

and the back dmg is for most enemies (some exceptions)

[rapid briar]

what the gourd

[turbid horizon]

i don’t think any normal enemy other than the funny scout, snatchers, and minibosses have armor

[dry pumice]

Weapons precision multipliers are a big one. How the hell would you ever know that shooting a Giant Striker to the head with High Cal deals basically no bonus damage that matters

[turbid horizon]

oh wait shockers

[tardy ingot]

hmm
feel like thats

1. not entirely true (theres a few where it does signal death)
2. not rly a mechanic in my eyes

[turbid horizon]

This

[rapid briar]

i thought that was just implicit

[turbid horizon]

This one is wack

[tardy ingot]

[turbid horizon]

I absolutely agree with artek

[rapid briar]

like of course the sniper would deal more dmg if u headshot

[turbid horizon]

Sniper does

It’s one of the only ones tho

[tardy ingot]

usually other games handle that by having the weapon generally do more dmg

gtfo doesnt

ill add that at least

[rapid briar]

WHAT

my life is a lie

[turbid horizon]

For significant damage, only like sniper and kind of hel rifle are good for head

I think

[tardy ingot]

no

not ever

hel rifle

sniper

[turbid horizon]

yup i was wrong

Oh and PR

[rapid briar]

so it's just straight better to only aim for bodyshots?

[tardy ingot]

the funny thing is

[turbid horizon]

but only for smols

[tardy ingot]

snipers so bad now, that shoot away heads, to make your teammate not bring sniper is a better choice than letting them shoot the heads

[rapid briar]

sniper is good for giants

[turbid horizon]

true

[dry pumice]

its a combination of both innate weapon multipliers that range from x0.74 to x1.5 or whatever, combined with the fact that enemies themselves have one, ranging from dogwater x1.5 to insane x5 and then good luck figuring out which one is which

[tardy ingot]

for small enemies aim for head

[rapid briar]

it's been how me and my buddy kill giants

[turbid horizon]

It’s so bad tho

Like

[tardy ingot]

for hybrids and chickens where heads dont break too

[turbid horizon]

Just use scattergun

[rapid briar]

the bots sometimes shoot the head off but other than that i like it

[tardy ingot]

giant strikers, DO NOT shoot the head unless you want to stagger them

[rapid briar]

i've been trying it out recently and i like it

[rapid briar]

why?

[rapid briar]

chickens?

[tardy ingot]

theres a lot of other options that are

1. generally A LOT better
2. basically as good vs giants

[rapid briar]

oh

[tardy ingot]

0.73 to 2

[turbid horizon]

lmao

[tardy ingot]

you basically dont do extra dmg on giant striker heads

tho the "do not" rly only comes into play if theres a sniper. Otherwise its a "not rly worth it incase of missing"

[tardy ingot]

big shooters

[turbid horizon]

honestly wouldn’t be surprised if you’ve never seen a chicken

they’re cool

[rapid briar]

oh ok

[sturdy glen]

We have a 1x multi on enemies now too

[rapid briar]

oh i never heard anyone call them chickens

giant shooters are pathetic

[turbid horizon]

they walk like chicken

they funny

[turbid horizon]

Tell that to Occlusion RD-D4

[rapid briar]

small shooters are more threatening

[rapid briar]

i'm stuck on r2c2 but i'll let you know when i get to r4 😎

[turbid horizon]

Not R4

Occlusion is my custom rundown

[rapid briar]

i don't even know the regular rundowns lol

[turbid horizon]

It has an alarm that spawns like, 15-20,chickens per wave.

I call it the chik-fil-a dimension

[rapid briar]

that just sounds unfun

[turbid horizon]

it’s pretty fun tbh, everyone who’s played it has loved it, which I was honestly surprised at

[hidden ridge]

Wave spawning mechanics are something that the game never tells you and they help a lot

[turbid horizon]

oh uplink spawning rules

Do those

R6B2 my beloved

[hidden ridge]

2 rooms away unless they cant, 1 room away etc and they consider if doors are open or closed

that's something kinda important the game never tells you

[dry pumice]

After thinking about it some more - weapons' stats in general are just a giant wing-it blind spot of the game

The text descriptions they have explain very little

[turbid horizon]

Btw i want to check that I’m not crazy and that the R8B4 flyer alarm only spawns from the entrance zone and not 161/160

[dry pumice]

A simple system of a coloured bar on a scale from 1 to 5 would make thins so much easier

[mossy aurora]

most stuff related to aggro, long and proxy

[turbid horizon]

oh true

[mossy aurora]

spawn mechanics

[turbid horizon]

soft and hard proxy too

That super close proximity where every sleeper will wake up in the AoE versus the slightly larger radius where only one wakes up, unless I’m imagining things

[tardy ingot]

those are good generally true

[tardy ingot]

i feel like its the 2nd one

[whole stirrup]

I mean most weapons also dependent on the user - while some are just bad most of the ones I’ve heard people complain about arent bad just don’t fit peoples playstyle or they dislike the scope.

[turbid horizon]

There’s both is what I’m saying

[tardy ingot]

any examples?

[turbid horizon]

there’s definitely a tight radius where killing one sleeper will aggro two others

[tardy ingot]

i mean the "imagining" things
ive never seen the 2nd one

[turbid horizon]

Oh that yeah

[tardy ingot]

aka only 1 waking up

[mossy aurora]

the 2nd one is long aggr

[whole stirrup]

I’ve had people complain about carbine and hel rifle lol

[tardy ingot]

"people"

[turbid horizon]

It’s probably just that fuzzy area where I’m uncertain of distance

Yeah

Figures

[mossy aurora]

tight circle where everything wakes up is what people call proxy aggro

[whole stirrup]

Both of which are great and then suggest using heavy smg

[tardy ingot]

nobody who knows shit does that
(well pachi hates hel rifle, but thats not cuz he actually thinks its bad, he just hates the users)

[whole stirrup]

I mean I don’t play with a set group at all it’s just randoms

[turbid horizon]

true

[mossy aurora]

people hate on dmr scope a lot

despite it being a good gun

[tardy ingot]

i wish id get randoms like that man

when i pub i dont

[turbid horizon]

can confirm, one of my static uses hel rifle, hate him

[tardy ingot]

tbh people hate on dmr scope and aknowledge its still rly good tho

[turbid horizon]

[halcyon current]

Scope unironically the worst aspect of the DMR

[turbid horizon]

No it isn’t

I hate that scope

[tardy ingot]

no

i mean the weapon

[halcyon current]

I believe they meant that DMR still good

[tardy ingot]

DAK

[halcyon current]

Irregardless of the awful optic

[whole stirrup]

Scope seems dirty like it needs a wipe down to me… maybe too high of settings

[halcyon current]

It is dirty

[turbid horizon]

[halcyon current]

Apparently more noticeable the lower your graphics are

[turbid horizon]

I honestly don’y care abojt smudges

[whole stirrup]

I play more or less full ultra

[turbid horizon]

The sight itself I just hate

[whole stirrup]

Idk maybe I need to use it more

[turbid horizon]

How the obvious point is not where bullet go

[halcyon current]

I don't like the magnification on it

[turbid horizon]

can’t wait to EMP that stupid sight in Occy E2 so I don’t have to look at it

[halcyon current]

It's low but it's noticeable

[whole stirrup]

Some guns feel great hip fired and some feel awful

[turbid horizon]

DTR

oh and also sniper now ig

[tardy ingot]

but ye again @whole stirrup both of those opinions you stated are just people who have 0 clue about any of that

[turbid horizon]

exactly

[whole stirrup]

I mean sure

[turbid horizon]

I’m here to spread misinformation

[whole stirrup]

But give a dmr to someone who can’t quick scope and they might be less than useless.

[tardy ingot]

you dont need to quick scope

[halcyon current]

^

Quickscoping would matter if it had like, a real scope that blacked out your view on the peripherals

It doesn't

Infact I don't think any scope does

[tardy ingot]

sniper does

kinda?

eh not rly

[halcyon current]

I'll ve honest I've never actually used sniper, lemme check wiki rq

[mossy aurora]

its not blacked out but the rim pretty much blocks the rest of your screen

[halcyon current]

Yeah, I'd agree with that

I can see quickscoping on that thing

[whole stirrup]

I mean I recognize my experiences are mostly shaped by just pugging - but I’ve had people die because they can’t kill things at close range and their literal excuse was the scope sucks and they can’t play dmr for shit.

Is this a get good moment sure is.

But give that person an objectively worse gun they like and the team would do better

[tardy ingot]

yea thats why my memory was foggy on it
thanks ryk

[whole stirrup]

Idk some people just suck at certain weapon types

[halcyon current]

The scope shouldn't stop you from killing anything on DMR but the scope itself is bad

[tardy ingot]

you mean aiming?

[turbid horizon]

yes

[whole stirrup]

I mean sure - and some things are easier to aim but also likely objectively worse

[turbid horizon]

aiming hard, give me a scattergun

[halcyon current]

It's not nessecarily how easy something is to aim, but how forgiving something is on follow up shots

DMR/DTR are super punishing to miss on vs something like carbine

[turbid horizon]

mmm

or yknow

Sniper

[whole stirrup]

Carbine is just comfy

[halcyon current]

I do not firsthand cause I don't use it but I can see how it would be yeah

I try not to have opinions on things I haven't experienced firsthand

[turbid horizon]

fun fact: if you miss your first shot on sniper, it’s more time efficient to swap to an empty primary and reload it than it is to wait to be able to fire sniper again

[tardy ingot]

but yea back to it

what are mechanics the game doesnt rly teach ya

we got
back dmg
prec multis
aggro mechanics
alarm spawn mechanics

[halcyon current]

Ramirez, swapping to your primary and reloading it is faster then fucking with your sniper

[turbid horizon]

maybe a little section about foaming enemies (nades going through birthers and such)

[halcyon current]

I still have no idea how aggro actually works

Like I have a general idea of what to do and what not to do

But no clue on the by the book mechanics

[craggy pier]

which special weapon would a doctor pick

tell me quick because i can't figure it out

[turbid horizon]

Scattergun

You don’t need to treat people for sleeper wounds if there are no sleepers left to wound them

[craggy pier]

no

like i'm a doctor who escaped the WHO

and i found some gun somewhere and i'm using it as my special

what is that gun, it's not a scattergun

i picked the most generic options, pistol + shotgun

but idk if there's something more thematic

[whole stirrup]

So what exactly is a perc multi? The rest I have some understanding of…

[halcyon current]

Precision mulitplyer

[whole stirrup]

Ohh I worked it out

[craggy pier]

it calculates the damage you do when you hit a weak spot

[halcyon current]

No I did it!

[hoary mason]

short rifle

[whole stirrup]

lol fair but I got there about the same time

[craggy pier]

too late now

pistol shotgun it is

[halcyon current]

Unironically nothing because you're violating the hypocratic oath

[craggy pier]

lol, lmao even

[whole stirrup]

Sleepers probably aren’t covered

[halcyon current]

The funny option is a combat shotgun tho

[halcyon current]

They're formerly human

[whole stirrup]

Grey area then

I’ll allow it

[halcyon current]

They're "mortally challenged"

[jolly bramble]

Is there no way to matchmake for a specific rundown expedition?

Its impossible to find a R1A1 expedition

and the matchmake is dookie ass

[halcyon current]

Yeah, most people just use the #lfg-beginners or their region here

The matchmaker is known to be sub optimal

[jolly bramble]

Do the devs just not care?

I feel like SOMEONE has said something about it before

[subtle bay]

Is there difficulty scaling with party size or nah?

[tardy ingot]

nop

[ocean spindle]

problem is ingame matchmakin occured after a while, when the game was in alpha
so most people just already used discord

[tardy ingot]

people just prefer the discord matcmaking

[ocean spindle]

and discords way better either way to find people

its more fast to find people n stuff

and u can have ur specification

[jolly bramble]

So essentially because a lot of people use the discord, they just aren't making matchmake better

[halcyon current]

It's the same reason voip isn't that great, people just use discord

[ocean spindle]

they tried, they tried to push it
it just doesnt get used anymore

thats the way it is

[tardy ingot]

having it set to specific levels made it so you couldnt find those specific levels unless 3 others were looking for it at the same time

so they made it more generic

so you can find lobbies, but not for specific levels

[halcyon current]

A lobby browser would probably be the best mm system for the game ngl

[jolly bramble]

Well no wonder the game doesn't give off a new player friendly vibe. I mean the difficulty of the game itself is no big deal, thats a challenge. ITs just essentially get lucky with discord or just suffer with bots

[halcyon current]

Tbh it's not bad

You'll rarely find terrible people in the discord

[ocean spindle]

and bots are very serviceable too for the game

[halcyon current]

And I've never had an issue getting people for a lobby outside a couple of R3 missions

Bots are insanely serviceable once you know their quirks

[jolly bramble]

Well I think people want to play the game as intended, not use bots because everyone else has already played the game and doesn't do beginner stuff

[tardy ingot]

the difficulty is kinda intended so that point was always questionable
Its not like the difficulty is obscure or smth (or even worse, obscure to tackle)

they added matchmaking, people didnt rly care and stayed mostly on discord or in their own private friend groups. So they changed it to better fit the smaller amount of people using it

[halcyon current]

People still do beginner stuff

[ocean spindle]

theres a lot of vets that r happy to help newies, and a lot of newies

[halcyon current]

I, again, have never had an issue finding a group

[tardy ingot]

have you actually done a lfg for r1a1?

[halcyon current]

For anything I've done in GTFO

[jolly bramble]

Lowest I've seen is R1C1/C2

[halcyon current]

Host it.

[jolly bramble]

And I mean getting carried by veterans?

[ocean spindle]

host it

[ocean spindle]

u can always ask to not be

and a lot of people will leave u to learn

and help whenever they see u struggle

vets on this game are very nice

[jolly bramble]

Which again negates the whole point of finding people for a game

[ocean spindle]

buddy u can also find people who only done, 2 3 4 levels

and are still newies

u saw it, r1c1, thats 3 levels done

those people are still super new

[halcyon current]

It's not any more or less random then what actual mm would give you, playerwise

[tardy ingot]

1. theres quite litteraly a channel called "lfg beginners"
2. people play A tiers of all kinds? Theres even a meme of a lot of R5A3 lobbies happening

[jolly bramble]

Okay lets take things one at a time

Yes, you can find people who have only done 2-3-4 levels etc. but people want to go forward and do new things, not play the first level again right after playing the 2nd/3rd/4th

[tardy ingot]

i feel like thats you implying that they wont wanna do that

[halcyon current]

Oh just throw up a lfg and roll the dice lmao

[civic wave]

The r5a3 lobbies always happen while I'm not looking

[ocean spindle]

this game is now a mario bros where u do 1-1 and never again
gtfo does have a bit of replayliability for completin levels with new groups, enemy distribution, and even just for helpin people

[jolly bramble]

The WHOLE question/topic is about finding people, not the randomness of the people or the quality of their gameplay. I only mentioned that personally I dont want to be carried by veterans, I want to suffer lol

[tardy ingot]

that is what lfg beginners is for

[jolly bramble]

No shit

I've seen the channel

[halcyon current]

Most true vets haven't popped in my lobbies unless I'm throwing up the same mission 4 days in a row

[ocean spindle]

if u ask a vet to not carry u they wont, if u ask only for other newies u probs will still have a full lobby

either way, its a tug of war where u always win

[tardy ingot]

i basically dont join beginner lobbies unless i want to chill and let them explore everything (and thats rly only rarely and off stream)

that is unless im personally asked

but then its usually a carry job

[halcyon current]

I don't even join lobbies, I just host

I'll go join lobbies when I'm done every mission

[jolly bramble]

Okay maybe then its just bad luck, you look back at the LFG Beginners lobby, really not a ton of activity for lower stuff

[tardy ingot]

the lobbies opening are just a fraction of people looking at it

open your own lobbies for stuff you wanna play

[ocean spindle]

well, there is, i see usually lot of r1c1 r1c2, r2a1 [which doesnt meant they completed all levels of r1, maybs they just changed rundowns]
and thats people who have completes, 2 3 4 missions, who maybe have 10 hours

[halcyon current]

Most people do not seem to want to host

In my experience

[tardy ingot]

can always do a sky

and just ask for someone to host

[halcyon current]

But rarely will I wait longer then 10 minutes for 3 people to show up

I think the only time that happened is on the mega soloable R3 missions

[jolly bramble]

We seem to continue to repeat the same levels when the whole reason I asked the question is for the levels that ARENT common in the channel

[neon gust]

"No one plays"
Host your own game
"Surprise pikachu face"

[halcyon current]

Lmao

I mean unironically tho if you throw something up I bet people join

[tardy ingot]

be careful dragon
your gonna get told you arent newcomer friendly

[ocean spindle]

the point is that people are also newies that could join u if u posted r1a1

[neon gust]

History will repeat itself

Again

[jolly bramble]

The only thing here that has truly been helpful is this. Could've been said 10 minutes ago

[tardy ingot]

honestly its always hard to tell for many, even those who are active here chungus

it only really sets in when you go from waiting for a lobby to opening up one

[neon gust]

Can we talk about stamina for 986 time

@native sun ban me

Right now!

[tardy ingot]

dragon give me a mechanic that you wouldnt know as a new guy
and not bot related

[neon gust]

End the loop

[halcyon current]

Long aggro

[ocean spindle]

carrying big items?

they appear on r2

[halcyon current]

Is there seriously no big items in R1?

[neon gust]

Why my bar piss yellow

[tardy ingot]

wdym your bar?

[ocean spindle]

nope, first ones are Pmother cargos on r2a1

[neon gust]

Some guy told me i can take damage from a heart attwck

[tardy ingot]

ooh

[ocean spindle]

lol

[halcyon current]

Looking back yeah, you're right. Damn.

[tepid sand]

Deadass did in R6.5

I swear to god bro

At 190 took 1 HP damage, wish I recorded god damn it

[tardy ingot]

@tepid sand n

e

v

e

r

you played with 2 fps

you probably got licked and didnt realize

[halcyon current]

@hidden ridge kinda late and I lost the notification but I cannot for the life of me figure out where the GTFO logs are, sorry

[tepid sand]

Dude no lick does 1 HP

[halcyon current]

Mine does bb

[tepid sand]

And back then R6.5 had better frames than now

I had stable 60 FPS on R6.5

Goes to show how shit everything has been ever since the launch of ALTs

[noble wind]

How much u have now 🤔

[tepid sand]

I remember it clearly that it happened on R6.5B1, last scan door before extraction

[tepid sand]

Dependent on level

Also built a new PC

[noble wind]

Ah

[tardy ingot]

void it was never a mechanic

[tepid sand]

I never said it was

I just said it happened

[tardy ingot]

[ocean spindle]

their mental status at the end of the level was unknown

[tepid sand]

I just remember it clearly because it was one of the few levels I completed solo before quitting for a bit

[surreal lake]

Whenever I see an r4 or r5 mission 😴

[ocean spindle]

well thats a u problem

[languid glacier]

the defector achievement is just R8B4 main right?

[native sun]

For back damage, don't forget to mention that sentries don't benefit from it.

In aggro mechanics, I'd specifically include scream and scream cancel. Sleepers make a lot of noises, and it is hard for a new player to learn which sound is the one that wakes rooms when it can be cancelled and not even wake the room. Also including that enemies can't scream when all players are two rooms away.

If you really want to go deep into aggro mechanics, you could include proxy aggro instantly aggroing scouts.

In alarm spawn mechanics, I'd specifically include what circumstances allow enemies to spawn on top of players, most new players will inadvertently play in ways that prevent this, so when it does happen it is often assumed to be part of that specific level/alarm rather than a normal part of the game itself.

In the past I would have included 'you have to break x tumors to kill this miniboss', but now that scatter is in the game I think most players will naturally learn this isn't the case.

[native sun]

no

[past mesa]

Aggro would be good enemy targeting info would go crazy

[native sun]

Deep tongue noise

For people who don't know what that means, that comment must look deranged.

[tardy ingot]

i will look into it once i do those
prob not gonna go toooooo deep for the beginner variant of this

working on just a basic short for "change your fucking fov (and dont forget these other 3 that might be neat to adjust)"

[native sun]

Turn dialogue down, I love players getting hit by a 3 turn paralysis debuff the moment the naration kicks in

[tardy ingot]

eh

i love having it up when i wanna hear the narration

for repeats tho ye

[native sun]

down, not off, I can still understand it all while at 50% of all the other audio

[tardy ingot]

i put in stuff like
fov
first person inertia
camera shake
mute in background

[halcyon current]

I just want to listen to what the crazy man has to say

[tardy ingot]

like stuff that actually impacts your gameplay (first 3) or enjoyment directly (not being able to mute the GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASP)

[past mesa]

Took me a second as well

[subtle bay]

Is the ‘Die Together’ achievement broken, or is there just a specific way to fail an expedition?

[civic wave]

make sure everybody has freshly restarted their game and you're running a full team

[subtle bay]

Ahh shit, I play in a trio

Here’s though

Cheers*

[tardy ingot]

@past mesa
what do you think about scattergun actually not being that great of a weapon

👀

[past mesa]

Your right we should buff scatter

[past mesa]

Anyone who can’t see should just be for the scatter buff idk

[tardy ingot]

@past mesa got it from a reddit post

tho tbh their point was a lot less "scatter not insane" and more "scatter not among best, since niche"

[past mesa]

Scatter is the single strongest in the game atm on client at least

It was niche last patch I guess but now it is just too effective on what it isn’t in its niche

[noble wind]

Wonder what they think would make it "less niche"

[tardy ingot]

oh ye definetly it is lol

waveclear

[past mesa]

It has okay wave clear tho

[tardy ingot]

too effective
Not having any real competitions
Still being efficient vs smaller enemies
actually nuking approaching waves

[past mesa]

Needs a buff

4 in magazines would be so nice

[tardy ingot]

maybe pen too?

[native sun]

HEL autopistol/HEL shotgun clustering wave + scattergun killing 5 enemies is really bad waveclear idk seems pretty ineffective

[kind pilot]

Okay if I'm awful at headshots, what's a good beginner weapon set lol - practicing with the HEL revolver/scattergun (for big fellas) but it's nice to have a fallback

[past mesa]

Carbine /hel shotty high cal

[kind pilot]

Hell yea, will give it a shot, ty

[halcyon current]

What's the upper limit on enemies the spear can kill in a row if they're all clustered?

[ocean spindle]

doesnt the spear kills on double hits like other melees

or what do u mean

like hit back to back to back?

[halcyon current]

Like, if you had 5 sleepers lined up back to back to back to back to back

And you stabbed through em

How many would you shiskebab?

Is it just 2 or is it hypothetically more?

[ocean spindle]

... spear has hel? i always forget if thats a fact or its just misinfo

[halcyon current]

The hitbox is like 3 meters, iirc it works based on game jenk

[native sun]

@halcyon current The spear double hit works because you hit an enemy with both the hitscan check (directly in front) and the hitbox check (lower right of cam) at the same time

You can only hit one with the hitscan check

[halcyon current]

So, the upper limit is 2

[native sun]

But you can hit as many enemies as you want with the hitbox, they just all need to be within the tiny area to the lower right of cam

[halcyon current]

Neat, ty, so with practice I can more consistently double kill with it?

[ocean spindle]

is it really worth it to double hit

[native sun]

Sure, but it is not particularly practical

[ocean spindle]

most of the times its even better to force close aggro

cause then u dont get any long range aggro

[native sun]

Enemies you can double hit are those that would be short range aggro, so they're a free kill anyway

[halcyon current]

Tbh I have no idea how close v long aggro works

[ocean spindle]

close is when u wake up an enemy when its too close to another, liek two kissing

[native sun]

Only 'matters' if there's a cluster of 3 and you double hit two and use the wake up animation to kill the 3rd

[ocean spindle]

long range its when u kill someone and a dude 4 meters away that was glowin alerts

[halcyon current]

I just want to use something that isn't hammer, knife doesn't feel as good as it used to, and I don't like bat, so that leaves one logical option behind These Hands

[ocean spindle]

whoever, if u close aggro, u will NEVER get long range aggro

u can force urself to use knife and get used to it again

[halcyon current]

It's like, fine, until you run into things that aren't small enemies imo

I know it can 3 hit giants but

Hammer just feels better for that lmao

[ocean spindle]

well spear cant do, combat at all its just ahammer problem

tbh the closest thing to hammer bat u said u dont like so ksmdkm

[halcyon current]

Yeah bat just feels like hammer but worse

Hammer with speed of knife and damage of neither

[ocean spindle]

bat its the stagger weird faster for combat, thing

[halcyon current]

Idk, I like spears esthetically

Weapon independently developed across every civilization in the world since the dawn of time is cool

[ocean spindle]

which in short means knife on stick its cool

which fair

but yeah i mean its good as long as is not a combat based level

but hittin multiple enemies its worthless

and u can just force close aggro instead and kill two enemies back to back with two hits

[halcyon current]

I mean sure but I'm of the opinion if it's a unique quirk of the weapon it's worth learning how to do

Not to use consistently, but to have in the belt, so to speak

[ocean spindle]

its not unique

u can do it with all melees

[halcyon current]

I don't see how you're doing it with hammer tbh, I know knife you can drag the hit box around

[ocean spindle]

with hammers funky but ive seen it ive done it sometimes

same for bat

its just rare to see cause no one does it ksmdkm

[halcyon current]

So maybe it isn't unique, but more consistent

[ocean spindle]

think knife or bat where the most consistents but

i may be wrong

prossibly

more probably

[halcyon current]

Only way to know is to go test

[native sun]

The video has a hammer double hit at the start, and the spear double hit at the end showcases a different kind of double hit more applicable to the other melee weapons - hitting multiple enemies with a hitbox simultaneously, achieved by aiming between them when they're close to each other

[halcyon current]

Oh shit it did, I only really noticed you taking a nap tbh

[hazy wedge]

I have so many clips double hitting with hammer, I just think it’s magic 😏

[halcyon current]

I mean I'll try doing it more, I just figured with how the hitbox works it would not be as consistent as pokey stick

[lone mortar]

U did see me 1 tap 2 giants standing 2inch from each other with yellow syringe

Or did i forgor and was in R7C3 yesterday with @hoary mason

[halcyon current]

Don't think that was with me

[lone mortar]

I swear ongod it is satisfying as hell to get a double hit marker

[exotic dragon]

In r4b1, is it possible to softlock yourself with powercells?

[tepid sand]

Iirc, yes

Unless it’s not the level I’m thinking about

[exotic dragon]

it's the one with 3 cells needed for the main objective

and then you have the secondary with a fourth

[tepid sand]

Secondary is reactor?

[exotic dragon]

we did the secondary and then unlocked the goody room

yes

[tepid sand]

Uh no

You shouldn’t be softlocked

Believe you can’t put it in the wrong generator cause they are fenced off

[floral acorn]

iirc, if u do secondary, u don't do disinfect zone later

[exotic dragon]

we didn't know so we did both

list cell doesn't show anymore than 4

[tepid sand]

1 to open reactor, 3 to main

[floral acorn]

if u don't have a cell for final mission gen, u are softlocked. bummer.

[tepid sand]

They give you a cell that you have to find for main

If you use the ones at drop for secondary

[exotic dragon]

we've already used 4, 2 for main, 1 for secondary, and then the disinfect zone

is there a 5th? or should we just stop now?

[floral acorn]

there is no way to get a 5th cell, looking at the map, 3 at drop + 1 in level

[tepid sand]

There is a cell in disinfect right?

[floral acorn]

bummer to the max.

[tepid sand]

I don’t remember

[ashen frigate]

No

[tepid sand]

If not then rip

[exotic dragon]

list cell would pick that up right?

bruh

that's sadistic, won't lie

[ashen frigate]

But you can only softlock if you put one of the cells in the wrong generator

[exotic dragon]

what an easy trap to fall into

[tepid sand]

Is it just fog turbine in there?

[oblique stump]

2h wasted man

[floral acorn]

nah, disinfect station + lot of resources

[tepid sand]

Oof

[floral acorn]

r4 is brutal in that sense, that reactor takes a good chunk of time in secondary plus all the keyhunts etc

[ashen frigate]

You cannot softlock if you put the three "basic" cells in the intended generators, then use the remaining one to either open Secondary or the Disinfect zone

[exotic dragon]

so this is a wash then

rip

[floral acorn]

bummer rip, gtfo at its most brutal imho.. a single plugin (cell or bulk key) is a thing u can't take back

(wonder how bugged things would get if u could)

[exotic dragon]

makes me want to not do secondary next time tbh

[floral acorn]

one could say "study the terminals, ping the gens, be sure what u do" .. .. but in most levels its "see gen, plugin cell" automation.. meh.

well u fly thru the secondary now that u done it once, alltho some phases of reactor can't be skipped or rushed

[exotic dragon]

very sadistic trap for new players

[floral acorn]

yeh.. i feel your pain absolutely.. just.. hope this is a good lesson for things to come, especially later in r4 and r5

[ashen frigate]

R4, and later on R5, were very brutal for new players

[floral acorn]

absolutely never do any final decisions / actions until 100% sure etc

[shy hull]

so im basically screwed

[exotic dragon]

well whatever, next time can be faster

[hoary mason]

It was.

And yeah, single hit taking out 2 giants was the wildest from our run

Stacked melee for the win

[lone mortar]

D1 later?

[hoary mason]

Ye

In 1 hour I'll be free

[lone mortar]

[noble wind]

kaiser in the house

[tardy ingot]

Just… dont do the disinfect zone

Like that was the whole issue there, not secondary no?

[tardy ingot]

i wouldnt rly call it a new player trap

All 3 gens are before you get to disinfect zone generator
Same goes for secondary gen

so you kinda just skipped over the objective :/

afaik theres a few other levels with similar potential soft locks, but all of them are just plugging first before askin why (r4a2 and r5a3)

[topaz anvil]

A new player trap? For attempting a harder objective?

[tardy ingot]

they meant the cell softlock

but ye

R4B1 secondary runs arent specifically newbie traps. Hell usually youd be out of beginner by that point

[topaz anvil]

Tell that to all the people posting r2e1 in beginner lfg

[tardy ingot]

tbh if they see themselves as beginner after being (often) carried to r2e1

[hoary mason]

So, I'm free. ready whenever you are./

[lone mortar]

My brother in Christ i am pinned here

[thorn dawn]

Darkeva, what is "Brazil Skip"?

[tardy ingot]

skipping the dimension hop in r7e1

if you want a more detailed explanation, theres a video on it

[thorn dawn]

ok thanks

[lone mortar]

You escape the el chapo raid

[soft crater]

[spiral geode]

hey ive just completed all R6 main sec and overload sectors but still havent gotten the palettes shown on the wiki. Did they change the requirements for getting them?

[ashen frigate]

They were only granted for completion in the original R6 Rundown release

[craggy pier]

@native sun can you explain how you double kill in that video

[slow stone]

Melee hitbox hits both enemies = They both die ig

[lunar rain]

Recommendations for a tool for trying to do the controlled response achievement?

[noble wind]

whats that again i forgor

[lunar rain]

I would think a sentry but wasn’t sure if something was better

Pistols only and solo

[noble wind]

sentry sounds good

[lunar rain]

I tried with a mine déployer on r1b2 and I realized I suck at aiming

[slow stone]

r1b1 would prolly be easier

[noble wind]

r1b1 is much easier

[noble sierra]

Kinda depends on level, but R1B1 with a sentry is probably the easiest way

[ocean spindle]

i completed it with mines on r1b1, and i first opened the scout room and then the alarm room

that way i had doors to mine and they spawned much farther away

[past mesa]

R1b2 isn’t bad but I would wake up the zone of shooters for the ending section instead of dealing with the last wave

[nocturne tide]

What turrets do ya'll recommend for R2D2? I've tried a mix, snipers seem good for early waves but burst for later ones (but they seem to waste more resources)

[noble wind]

sniper cuz u got plenty of open spaces and also efficient for tool use

[dry pumice]

Honestly just 1 of each

Sniper can overseer some long pathway, shotgun can hold some tight corner or another

And then either burst for general harassment or HEL sentry for staggering support, can prevent being overrun

[nocturne tide]

Usually i've fallen back to zone 196 when all three doors are open so I may try one of each. even with bio tracker targeting it seems like they can run past sniper turrets pretty quickly. Thanks!

[mental furnace]

If you hold in 196A, close the west door, and open both east doors, all the enemies will funnel from that direction. It's generally agreed that burst sentry is the best all around, sniper sentry is situational, auto is very situational, and shotgun is just bad.

[ocean spindle]

its backwards, shottie is situational and autos bad

[mental furnace]

Auto goes brr in surge alarms with narrow chokepoints.

[noble wind]

its just better to kill the enemy and not stun em

[ocean spindle]

killin an enemy it respawns far away and gives u time

plus ive only found one level where auto like, works ok

not even good but just ok

||r8d2 sec alarm||

cause it holds well the waves but then runs out of ammo like in one minute

[mental furnace]

Agreed, burst is almost always better than auto for that reason

[mental furnace]

Auto can also do pretty well on R8B4 if you don't want to permafoam

[ocean spindle]

i would imagine that the ammo on it runs out before u even open the cell door

its not like shottie really holds well either cause it also runs out of ammo at light speeds, but it at least kills in other situations and more normal alarms

[mental furnace]

I've run it with 100% + one tool refill, and you can make it last the whole alarm. You just have to micromanage it a little.

I think if shotgun aimed for bodies instead of heads, it would be significantly less awful

Also if it didn't target enemies that are beyond its effective range

[grand jolt]

Curious if multiple scouts scream or trigger each other for example lets say 5 do you get: 1 wave, 5 waves or 1 wave with 5x the guys in it?

[noble wind]

you get max number of enemies that can spawn until all enemies are dead

[hazy wedge]

I think last I checked if you trigger 5 scouts for example, you get spawn capped and then it queues up the rest until you kill them

[noble sierra]

^

[grand jolt]

ah crumpets so ideally you don't want them chaining

gotchu

R2D2 room with 5 scouts we did the room so fast I can't remember if we just dealt with 5 waves or I think we sniped 3 scouts and then dealt with the two waves and couldn't tell.

wanted to check for round 3 what would be best

[hazy wedge]

Ideally you don’t want to trigger any of them lol. Can’t afford the ammo imo

[grand jolt]

Ideally

Ammo wasn't really our problem anyway we didn't consider we could setup outside the reactor til we failed the last run :v so we're gonna do that

[shy hull]

Is that even possible

[past mesa]

impossible never been done before

[halcyon current]

Make your own R2E1 type beat

[past mesa]

You would get 60 enemies on most levels

Sometimes scout waves have different wave settings that would account for the variation

[hazy wedge]

Yeah you just tell them to 🤫

[hazy wedge]

🪣

[shy hull]

Ntoed

Noted

[nocturne tide]

Is that on the right side from where you get the first key card?

Like past a class IV sec door? Cant remember the exact class

[past mesa]

Zone past the first key card on 6th code yeah it has an alarm

[nocturne tide]

Got ya, if i remember correctly i had two scouts first room and the rest in a second room, easy enough to melee and shoot the inside enemies if needed so long as doors are closed.

[rapid briar]

any good strategies for R2D1?

the one with the generator cluster

[dry pumice]

Not really. Use fog repellers wisely or something?

mine deployer, 2 sentries

Not much foam value on that level

[nocturne tide]

Not sure how others did it, figure out if you meed to do zone 111 or 113.

Do you want me to tell you my zone route?

Dont want to spoil if not

[halcyon current]

Mine deployer on god my favorite tool to use

Love watching 20 ish enemies dissappear, and bigger ones with damage boosts

[rapid briar]

I’d probably forget anyway

is it better to list and try to find all the cells first when u find the first terminal??

[nocturne tide]

Yea, generally i avoid as many rooms as possible so like i dont touch zone 114 and 118

[worn crow]

The fog should lower at 1 and 3 and 5 IIRC

[nocturne tide]

As you put batteries in the gas goes down, i save zone 110 for last

I pull zone 110 and fight them, it was too much to stealth with all that fog putting you on a time limit

[past mesa]

Pull and mine doors don’t fog dive if you don’t need to go to the res zone

Do both blood doors skip the class 4

For disinfect

[tardy ingot]

auto is situational niche. Shotty is pretty much just worse burst or sniper effectively outside of ultra rare scenarios

[tardy ingot]

it lowers for every single one generally

[grizzled widget]

I remember when shotgunsentry was universally the best option -- then they fixed back multipliers

[tardy ingot]

tbh
Back then it also had no competition

burst missed all the time

[ocean spindle]

i mean even as a worse burst, on 90% of all combat in the game shottie is the option over auto
so doesnt that make it better

[tardy ingot]

auto sentry has actual angles where its best

vs better generally

so auto sentry is niche

while shotgun sentry is just kinda bad

[mossy aurora]

wasnt old shotgun sentry busted when it had 4 players in the lobby, not back multiplier related?

[turbid horizon]

Didn’t it get extra damage for players?

Yeah

That

[ocean spindle]

yeah quad shottie sentry strat

it was through r1 to r3

:D

no r2, and then on r3 it got fixed

somethin like that

[topaz anvil]

hi you called my name

[ocean spindle]

.........

anyways

:3

[tardy ingot]

that was the major reason ye

With back dmg doing 8x dmg was kinda insane

[lilac fulcrum]

oops

[ocean spindle]

:D

[cosmic trout]

I have thought about buying gtfo not sure
how is the replayablity of the game?

[topaz anvil]

you'll be playing for a while before you have to consider replaying levels

there are 80 to get through

each one takes on average around 45 minutes

Add in restarts because of wipes and now you are looking at many more hours

[cosmic trout]

You convinced me when you said 80 levels xD

Thanks alot :)

[topaz anvil]

Good luck prisoner

[cosmic trout]

I will need it

I assume that you can really play solo?

[topaz anvil]

You can but it's not the most enjoyable experience

There are lfg channels here where you can buddy up

[cosmic trout]

Ye saw that just downloading the game gonna head there then

Again thanks alot c:

[zealous sinew]

Playing solo is very atmospheric and a little janky, but definitely possible.

You miss out on some fine control with the boys and efficiencies that only players can do.

But on the other hand you don't have to deal with your teammates fucking up and alerting rooms or scouts.

[ocean spindle]

u will encounter problems up to C and D tiers, and most of the deeper levels will be incredibly challenging so yeh u will have to LFG at some point

[past mesa]

Most c tiers are very doable bots only some d tiers have issues and most e tiers have issues but at least one other person is enough to finish the entire game with

[exotic dragon]

it soured the whole mood when we found out we wasted 2 hours

shouldn't be difficult to understand

we'll just skip it next time we play and come back to it later

[tardy ingot]

im saying it moreso on the
"not doing secondary next time"

secondary is fun and rly not at fault no?

plus you will definetly beat it far quicker this time

like in 45 min or smth

[exotic dragon]

that's not my point

we were exploring the level and came to that disinfect zone naturally

"oh it needs a cell, there's probably good stuff in there"

completely natural reaction

[tardy ingot]

its also completely natural to realize that there are limited cells

and that your objective is "plug these cells"

[exotic dragon]

it's also completely natural to not realize that, to be fair

[civic wave]

The amount of cells would slip your mind

Especially if you aren't familiar with the level

[tardy ingot]

the other option wouldve been to make the resource zone an alarm and give you back a cell. But thats is something they didnt want to do (which i personally am happy with)

[exotic dragon]

it isn't my fault for assuming the game wouldn't allow us to softlock like that, which is why I call it a trap

[tardy ingot]

a trap is something that lures you into it

[exotic dragon]

not always specifically, no

[ocean spindle]

google says - a situation in which people lie in wait to make a surprise attack.

or a device or enclosure designed to catch and retain animals, typically by allowing entry but not exit or by catching hold of a part of the body.

[tardy ingot]

the game gives you multiple ways to not plug the cell there

[exotic dragon]

we needed more resources after the secondary so that was the direction we naturally went in

[tardy ingot]

1. giving you a clearly limited amount of cells that you can cross check with terminals
2. making it so you realistically use up the "extra" cell you find for secondary
3. having all 3 objective generators before the loot zone

can it still happen? Yes. You are like the ... 3rd group i know of that didnt realize and plugged that after secondary. But the game is indicating to not do it

[dry pumice]

What level is this?

[tardy ingot]

r4b1

[dry pumice]

So did they softlock for real or

[exotic dragon]

yes

[dry pumice]

Just kidna were forced to play more game

I mean... Yeah, its generally on the game to prevent any softlocks, even if they are through negligence. You see generator - you pop generator, simple as. Especially on a B level.

[tardy ingot]

theres at least 3 of these natural soft locks
R4A2
R4B1
R5A3

none of them really happen if you follow the objective link

R2B2 when bugged tho, thats fucked up

[exotic dragon]

the game's conditioned us to expect alarms when completing main objectives, so we weren't exactly rushing to get it done

[dry pumice]

Probably should've double checked number of cells etc just in case, but it is what it is

[ocean spindle]

but if u done r2b2 or other gen levels u should know theres no alarm for puttin all the cells in, unless its a cluster of some kind

[tardy ingot]

yea theres "usually" a rule to things

[dry pumice]

But yeah, devs definetely should've add some kind of plab-B cell if things go wrong

Maybe some harsh alarm, as punishment. But better than straight softlock

[exotic dragon]

we've been jumping around different rundowns for variety sake

haven't done R2 much yet at all

[tardy ingot]

i disagree

because

you clearly have it as a goodie for when you do main

but when you do secondary you already have ressource overflow

its also more interesting than a basically free ressource zone or one of the many "do alarm/blood door" for zone

[dry pumice]

Softlock is a softlock

The fact it can happen at all is a negative by default

[ocean spindle]

tbh in this game u should stick on one rundown and then if u get stuck jump to the next, but only if u like get pretty stuck at some d tier or some level u really cant handle
r4 r5 can be very hard rundowns, but once u done r1 some of r2 and part of r3 it should be easier, specially cause r4 r5 introduce shit very very fast like gens infection funky alarms but those u already see if u done r1 and specially r2 r3

[exotic dragon]

R2 has level after level of annoying infectious fog, we needed a break after a while

[dry pumice]

They're lame and nobody likes them

[arctic marten]

No, skipping around is based

[tardy ingot]

softlocking on r6d1 because you ran out of ressource vs ||kraken|| is a thing too

[dry pumice]

Good point, although you'd have to work REAL hard to fuck it up that badly

[tardy ingot]

is there actually that many fog levels in R2

R2B4, R2C2, R2D1, R2E1

[dry pumice]

Which is frankly an issue too

[ocean spindle]

c1 has but non infectious

[tardy ingot]

the r4b1 thing is only a soft lock if you skip several steps

which can happen

and obviously sucks to have happen

[exotic dragon]

there's a ton of it in R2, infectious or not, what are you on about?

[tardy ingot]

but personally i just think its solved by terminal alone

[exotic dragon]

it's one of the most distinct aspects of R2 so far

[ocean spindle]

u said infectious fog

[dry pumice]

Fog or infection in general

[tardy ingot]

^

[dry pumice]

R2B2 has none, but there's spitters everywhere instead

[tardy ingot]

if its just fog then that adds R2C1 and R2D2

[dry pumice]

The fog in the final room is just normal fog, i believe?

[ocean spindle]

it only has em in two zones

[tardy ingot]

but tbh R2D2 is like 1 zone

[turbid horizon]

i mean technically R2A1

[tardy ingot]

yea and its rng whether you need to go into it

[ocean spindle]

theres two spots where u can gain infection and one of em only crouched like ksmdkm

[tardy ingot]

@turbid horizon yes
but im ignoring levels where it has 0 impact (same in r2b3)

[turbid horizon]

Ah ok

[ocean spindle]

how did we get here

[tardy ingot]

like, yea theres a ||pablo in R8A2|| but you will not rly interact with it

[turbid horizon]

That’s what you think

[ocean spindle]

thats not a softlock technically

[tardy ingot]

whats not a softlock slendi?

[ocean spindle]

or what was

that about

of r8

OH

my dumbass now i get it

it felt so out of nowhere but now i get it ksdmkm

[finite oracle]

are there checkpoints in r5

[tepid sand]

No

Checkpoints don't start until R6

[noble wind]

no only r1a1 r6 r7 r8 have them

[slow stone]

r1a1 has a cp?

[hazy wedge]

Yes

[noble wind]

They added it with r8 release on the class 4

[soft crater]

R8 release next to the free weekend that happened

[craggy pier]

Am i the only person who thinks that the mom wake up / alert scream sounds shockingly similar to a hydraulic door malfunctioning

In r4d1 secondary I literally thought that the reason the rooms were waking up was because the door was being way too loud

Like you open it, all is good, then it malfunctions and makes this incredibly loud noise and that wakes the rooms

But no that's actually just the mom

[native sun]

In order to double hit you need to hit both enemies at exactly the same time, this can be achieved in two ways:

1. Having your weapon's hitbox overlap both enemies at the same time. This is the last double hit from that video. Generally you aim somewhere in between the enemies in order to double hit them.
2. Having your weapon's hitscan check (which occurs on frame 1) and the frame 1 hitbox both hit enemies. This is the majority of double hits in the video.

1 is applicable to all melee weapons, but requires the enemies to be very close together. Chill has lots of good clips of this one. 2 is less applicable to the other melee weapons outside of spear, mainly because spear's hitscan check has so much range that it massively extends how far apart enemies can be, but also because spear's frame 1 hitbox is fairly reasonable to intentionally hit with (it's to the lower right of cam).

[exotic dragon]

what are good boosters to keep an eye out for? I've been dumping the ones that give you extra starting ammo and hoarding stuff like bioscan and the resource efficiency ones so far

[ocean spindle]

those, uh infection resist
regen speed and limit are pretty useful if ur always at low health

[exotic dragon]

how about stuff like damage?

[ocean spindle]

main dmg are good if u play dmr a lot, since any dmg percent makes it oneshot
for special dmg there isnt a lot of good like uses, u could stack a lot of special dmg for idk a machinegun but ur not gonna change a lot about it or break the game

melee dmdg its super eh unless u have like 120% and u can oneshot giants in a giant filled mission or somethin

[exotic dragon]

I keep getting mine damage boosters but that thing is already pretty good, so I never really tried those either

[past mesa]

Mine damage isn’t worth it

[past mesa]

Main damage and special damage are very good and detox boosters are pretty good

[exotic dragon]

I tend to play more short range weapons usually, stuff like hel revolver, high caliber, shotguns if that helps recommendations

[past mesa]

Hel rev can one shot-strikers with main damage

C foam portion is also very good but cheesy

[ocean spindle]

its like uh 14% or 16% to oneshot with hel rev

something about those numbers

[exotic dragon]

I'm never the turret guy so I always dump those, but I've hung onto a few c-foam ones since I sometimes use it instead of mines

[ocean spindle]

mine dmg does absolutely nothin, even if u got 80 its two mines to kill a big still and why would u

[past mesa]

C foam portion can essentially hard carry levels if you understand what you are doing

[exotic dragon]

are the turret ones worth anything?

[past mesa]

Yeah

[ocean spindle]

i think dmg boosters on auto sentry are funny, but other than that on burst can be ok
cpu speed can be useful as long as u dont like have 100% in a reactor or somethin cause otherwise that things gonna run out every single round no matter the type of sentry

bioscan speed and bio cpu speed are also very nice

[exotic dragon]

the group I play with usually just runs 2 burst, a biotracker, and then I'm on whatever I feel like at the moment, so I haven't really had much of a chance to play around with turrets or the bioscanner

[ocean spindle]

i mean u coould for the fun one day, runnin sentry its the easiest thing ever
bio does require a bit of 'oh yeah i need to ping' mentality but its fun

loadouts always just depend on the level

dont stick to '2 sentries one mine and bio' cause sometimes u need 3 sentries, sometimes mines foam and sentry, sometimes even 2 foams in rare occasions or somethin

[exotic dragon]

:^) I keep telling them that but nothing beats the simplicity of putting down something that just shoots I guess

[ocean spindle]

convince em harder idk
i mean if r1a1 didnt convince em of foam and mines, idk what will tbh, considerin those alarms spawn in ur fuckin face

like on 2 secons they are inside ur room and sentries work eh

but idk

at least they have bio

[exotic dragon]

speaking of turrets, how are they beyond the burst? we brought an auto one time and it just seemed kind of eh

it staggered good I guess

[ocean spindle]

burst its good, sniper can be situational but its pretty nice for, big enemies or special ones
shottie sentry i think its- not good but not bad, has some problems but can be helpful
and auto sentry its, very very situational usually, ive heard lately its not bad but ive only used it like 2 times so

its funny but it is tons of niche

[exotic dragon]

well that's all good to know, thanks

[worthy spire]

best loadout for newbies like myself, or is it up to the user?

[ocean spindle]

uh all guns are very good each on their own way, theres only like one two that are below expectations but even those are usable and serviceable so just go for whatev feels best for u
on tools depends on the level, always have one bio in ur team cause good to have it, and then the rest depends, mines and foam for doord are a good combo, sentries if u dont have doors, u can do a lot of things so experiment

and then on melee, hammer is the best all around most balanced, knife its very very good for combat but needs practice, bat its a mix between knife and hammer with a lot of stagger, and spear its good for leanin slow stealth but struggles a lot in combat

[worthy spire]

So far I like the pistol for primary, and the shotgun for special, and a turret for tool

[ocean spindle]

pistols nice i need to go more for it, shottie its kinda my- default option for goin in blind into a level lol

[exotic dragon]

shelling primary is based tbh, love that thing

[ocean spindle]

ive been goin on a ride of, heavy smg or smg i need to play more semis lol

[exotic dragon]

my personal favorite so far for specials is the chokemod

[ocean spindle]

oh played again with it recently it felt so nice

[exotic dragon]

one of my buddies scoffs at the shotguns in general

they're not always the best pick, but when they are, feels great

[ocean spindle]

i mean with the amount of shotties, u could have one every single mission

[exotic dragon]

he's a precision rifle boy

along with stuff like the dmr and double tap

[ocean spindle]

its been so long since i touched dmr

im so bad with it

[exotic dragon]

the first and last time I touched it I think I maybe hit half my shots total by the end of a level

:^) hard to miss with a shotgun though, short-range life for me

[ocean spindle]

yeah, i mean chokemods long rannge but i much prefer weapons i dont have to aim that much

bodyshot stuff or just, spread like shotties

very far and wide i use stuff like hel revo, dmr even pistol cause pistol also benefits from headshots quite a bit

[exotic dragon]

I really like the hel revolver, but there's just something about the pistol that I really love

[ocean spindle]

classic pew pew feels

[exotic dragon]

it's too strong a draw, even with the penetration from hel revolver

[ocean spindle]

for me its more spammable lol

i mean hel revo has about the same reload with reload cancel but i need to practice that more

[kind pilot]

Does the extract not always show up where you started early on?

[ocean spindle]

no, not always, sometimes it can be on another zone that was closed off, those are 'forward extraction points'

they dont appear on r1

[hazy wedge]

R8C2 moment 😏

[ocean spindle]

but then on r2 they start to show up

[ocean spindle]

hehee

it scared me

[kind pilot]

just happened to us on r1b2 I think

[ocean spindle]

no, r1b2 its where u start, u gotta run back to the entrance

the problem its kinda easy to run the wrong ways if u like are runnin it first time

and mistake the north for the west

no not the west

the south

sorry

[kind pilot]

that's what we did, it was out of zone 21 and take a right, went south, turned around and went "what?"

our fault for not checking the compass and acting on instinct

[ocean spindle]

if u went through the zone thats a ramp, yeah thats not the way, its through a normal door and then a very big hallway and then its just straight
always if u think theres gonna be some sort of 'run for ur lives' extract, check the map beforehand, plan out a bit

cause ive had those moments of 'oh shit where do i go' and ends runs

[kind pilot]

eh we were just going for it, one person kept crashing constantly and the other kept fucking up stealth so we were all at 20 by the end

[ocean spindle]

damn
yeah that, level its kind of a stealth skill check and terminal check cause of the scouts

and the amount of keys and doors u can go into

[kind pilot]

yeah we did pretty well on a1 and b1 but b2 has been a slog. Not sure if my group will stick it out

[ocean spindle]

b2 c1 are kinda, breakin points on the rundown but, hey if u did like die on extract u were very close to finishin so thats very good like progress and skill

[kind pilot]

oh yeah the b2 runs have always fucked at extract - the class II and class IV we had to do were clean as hell it was just people setting off sleepers while someone else was setting up at scout and shit like that that dragged us down

[ocean spindle]

lil tip, when an enemy is glowin, itll detect from farther away if u kill one of their buddies
so if u melee one thats about, 2 meters from another that was glowin, it might wake up

so for safety either coordinate ur kills, or wait till they stop glowin and go for it

[exotic dragon]

isn't it a random chance?

[ocean spindle]

u can also synchronize their glowing patters flashin em, and so be sure they are not glowin

[ocean spindle]

it is, but its always better to just not take the chance

[hazy wedge]

Press right mouse button to shove. Hope this helps 🙃

[ocean spindle]

thats why i said 'it might'

cause not always

[exotic dragon]

oh, missed that part

[ocean spindle]

its ok

[kind pilot]

yeee I was trying to (clumsily) sync em up and doing ok

if you watched us you could tell I'm the dude that watched a video lol

[exotic dragon]

how quickly do beginner rooms tend to fill up, anyways?

I always see an early one I want to join but by the time I check to see if it's full, it is

[upper ginkgo]

depends on the level tbh

but most of the time, they fill up in like 3-7 minutes

[hazy wedge]

Pubs posting their 34th attempt at r2e1 😭

[upper ginkgo]

it's your job to help them get the clear

[lone mortar]

its your job to help them get the clear

[hazy wedge]

[lone mortar]

you cant escape it

pubs are drawn to you

[vital pasture]

idk why, but for some reason I can't start a R2E1 lobby despite doing R2D1. Anyone know why?

(I am not doing a reactor.)

[noble sierra]

You need to finish all other expeditions in R2

[vital pasture]

damnit

[past mesa]

Just look for a taxi

[halcyon current]

I vaguely remember R2E1 wanting R2D2 done

[peak geode]

Morning!

Does anybody now any good guides for dodging attacks - especially Striker attacks, Giant or not? Been struggling to understand how to do it for runs like R2C2.

[jagged shore]

I'm pretty sure most E1s require every main objective complete

[jagged shore]

They check an area in front of them to see if you're within it, if you can step out of that area then you should dodge (here's a diagram) #gtfo-media message

[past mesa]

Beside one yeah all

[peak geode]

Thank you

Will try and wrap my head around it

When does the check happen as far contextul game clues go? When they lean back to throw out the tongue? When they stop in place?

[jagged shore]

i'm pretty sure the tongue can't connect if the check at hit time wouldn't succeed (on host end of course), but i'm not entirely certain
tru goes into details here #gtfo-chat message

[shy hull]

Doesnt r1d1 have one

So i have been very interested in doing some rundowns solo without bots, anyone got strats for r1a1 and r1b1?

I tried burst sentry, hel rev and shotty on r1b1 but i kept getting swarmed on the alarm door

[topaz anvil]

You run back to spawn in r1d1

[topaz anvil]

You tried mines?

[shy hull]

I did once, but i either misplaced them or i blew myself up on accident

[topaz anvil]

You place mines low down, close and parallel to a door. This way when the door breaks it will catch all the small enemies that run past it. Giants won't die from one but there'll be significantly less wave to deal with. For solo this is more ideal on alarms with low classes like 2 or 3, but on higher tier alarms you'll need some more permanent wave defense

If you find cfoam grenades or mines lying around then you are set

[floral acorn]

strat for any 3bot run: keep moving. if u stop to fight, the vanilla bots will swiftly switch to melee and start shoving instead of killing. walk or run away from enemy, the bots will backpedal behind u and perform god-tier shooting on the move.

[topaz anvil]

Also if you don't have mines, it'll be better to keep doors open as you don't want the enemies bunched up. Have them trickle in

[floral acorn]

also for alarms, delay however u can any enemies, the more u kill, more spawn to replace them .. so mine + cfoam, also close doors from room 2 to room 1 but don't mine them. maximum delay == alarm done with as little shooting as possible.

[topaz anvil]

They are doing actual solo so that just comes down to the mission and some luck.

[floral acorn]

truesolo, what u said ye, trickle not bunch

[finite oracle]

is it better to give a bot long range single fire weapons or is it better to give fully automatic ones?

[tardy ingot]

Burst rifle + veruta machine gun

[floral acorn]

vanilla bots i would say burst rifle / helrev + veruta. their tendency for friendly fire....

[finite oracle]

are the bots always accurate?

do they always aim for the head perhaps?

or is it possible for them to miss

[noble wind]

they always aim for weakspots

but the accuracy isnt high

[finite oracle]

does the spear have the same sleeping bonus multiplier as the knife?

[mossy aurora]

Knife is the only melee weapon with a sleeping multi

[finite oracle]

Doesnt the spear have a stat that says “precision damage multiplier” same as the knife?

[fierce walrus]

Yeah so do all the weapons

its a damage multi for hitting the head

It has nothing to do with wether the enemy is asleep or not

[soft crater]

Sleeping bonus is not precision bonus

And scouts do not count as sleeping

[noble wind]

scouts are day dreaming

[soft crater]

.mentioning it since it is a re-occuring question when people try to math knifes damage on scouts

[grizzled patrol]

I Love how almost every single gun Has a negative precision multiplier

[fierce walrus]

yeah

its funny

[ocean spindle]

well bodyshot weapons be bosyshot weapons

i kinda like u don't do like almost any extra dmg with hel rifle and high cal

[tardy ingot]

its honestly not a bad way to balance

[dry pumice]

Not bad, but unpleasant

[grizzled patrol]

Damm, DMR is a bodyshot weapons?

[noble wind]

no

[ocean spindle]

why unpleasant it's even more pleasant u know u can be more carefree with those

[tardy ingot]

its moreso to adjust breakpoints easily for some weapons

[dry pumice]

Honestly this is only an issue on giant strikers

WHy the fuck are they x1.5

[noble wind]

its a DMR

[tardy ingot]

@dry pumice why not

[dry pumice]

why can't they be x2.0 like normal people

[ocean spindle]

wha

[tardy ingot]

if you make them 2x youd have to nerf precision multis even more

[ocean spindle]

cause they hate u and wanna live and stuff

things of creatures am i right

[tardy ingot]

tbh to me giant strikers just feel like a target thats supposed to be headshot only for specific reasons otherwise its a bodyshot enemy

next step is chargers

[dry pumice]

Don't remind me

Mr Fuck Your Precision Weapon

speaking of people who sould be x1.5... or x1.0... or anything that isn't literal nothing...

[ocean spindle]

as if u forgot about em, we can't we all hate those bitches :D

but they funny so

they get a pass for me

[tardy ingot]

honestly, something i tend to think of

sniper with say, 60 base dmg wouldnt even be that insane

it would only barely change its matchup vs giants/hybrids if at all. And it would only marginally make it better vs bbcs and snatchers
it doesnt change anywhere else but kraken and matriarch

[ocean spindle]

wait if a charger was a 1 multiplier wouldn't it make it so weapons do deal less dmg

[tardy ingot]

no multi is better than 1x (or even 1,4 tbh)

yes

[ocean spindle]

idk about that idea

[grizzled patrol]

I meant that DMR No reasons to have a negative precision Bonus, even though its a marksman primary (sorry for Bad engrish)

[noble wind]

u wanna land headshots then any other wpn to finish

[ocean spindle]

well it's a main, with a headshot and that multiplier it does enough to oneshot shooters and be decent with bodyshots [not great but decent]
if it had more precision multiplier, it would deal too much dmg, and so u gotta nerf the dmg

[noble wind]

or take a main dmg booster to 1shot heads

[ocean spindle]

and then it just becomes bad on any bodyshot

[dry pumice]

Some weapons really have too low prec

Frankly you could buff every single gun in the game by +0.1x and it'll probably fine

Maybe except sniper, or it might learn to oneshot them super scouts

[ocean spindle]

well why would u
i mean i doubt most guns with the .67 really like break even with a .77, they will still be bodyshot weapons

but the if u go further u won't have any bodyshot weapons in the game

which like, why would u do that

guns for people with skill issue like me are great

[plush lance]

научите играть пожалуйста

[olive robin]

I find it crazy that a 1x multiplier is at all different than no multiplier. Like precision damage is silly

[ocean spindle]

maths in video games

[dry pumice]

The system is not silly, but its not as utilized as it should be

They wanted to create a notable incentive to diffentiate strikers from shooters and which one of them bodyshot targets and which ones are (more) headshot

But then same people created f*cking chargers and... Blargh.

[tardy ingot]

it still has a pretty high one
Its multi is just specifically so it 1 shots shooters but not strikers

if it did it would need some hefty nerfs

[ocean spindle]

what's the problem for chargers they a great enemy kdmskd

[dry pumice]

Bullet sponges are cringe

[arctic marten]

nightmares are a better thought out charger

[dry pumice]

Bullet sponges with no weaknesses are mega cringe

[noble wind]

they are fun until nightmare strikers take their job

[dry pumice]

Nightmares are unironically a superior enemy design

[tardy ingot]

Hel revo and dmr are now god tier busted great

[dry pumice]

By a margin

[tardy ingot]

???
body shot only enemies are legit good with this precision system tho?

[ocean spindle]

welll those are only on one rundown
it's not like chargers aren't oneshotteable like- we have guns on it's exact dmg to oneshot em, what kinda guns are u usin to be bullet sponges

[noble wind]

he just hates chargers

[ocean spindle]

tbh u could say the same of giants

with 120 health and 1.5 in head

i mean i guess they kinda are more that

that actual chargers

[tardy ingot]

chargers (and giants) would be a lot worse if there werent good options vs them

[neon gust]

theyre literally chargers

[tardy ingot]

like imagine if guns capped at below 30 dmg

[ocean spindle]

we would all die

[arctic marten]

rundown 1

[tardy ingot]

yea

[ocean spindle]

haha i'm sure there's no enemy that has more than 30 health and punches [im jokin ik u can oneshot em]

[tardy ingot]

not a good example for the games balance

honestly i kinda ignore pre r4 stuff

[arctic marten]

goofy era

[tardy ingot]

ye

[topaz anvil]

Dmr needs an in clip capacity buff 😔

[arctic marten]

no it needs more ammo

[noble wind]

will R8 have statistics

[topaz anvil]

I hope so

[arctic marten]

statistics is R2D1, not R8

[topaz anvil]

[noble wind]

[arctic marten]

tell me im wrong

[noble wind]

technically the truth

[mossy aurora]

its arteknically the truth

[arctic marten]

tjoma balls

[mossy aurora]

shArt my pants