gtfo-related-questions

[ocean spindle]

but bots really carry me on long alarms

its all about having the right weapons and strats for em

so they dont go into melee and they shoot as much as possible

[tiny tundra]

Burst Rifle/Short Rifle for bots has been my go-to recently with newbie friends

[silver fable]

bot runs will help with the "driving the mission" bullet point I had above

[ocean spindle]

i always have em with a machinegun

[tiny tundra]

They're also very good with machinegun yea

[silver fable]

but for the "rapid improvement in gunplay" bit you'd want to drop the bots

[ocean spindle]

yeah thats what i said too

[silver fable]

fair

[ocean spindle]

idk of bots with short rifle

i feel like they would spam it funny

but headshot weapon b headshot weapon

[tiny tundra]

It sounds funny when they do because they utilize the high rate of fire better than a human can by just clicking, but at least so far they seem pretty efficient with it

We've only done maybe 15 or so levels with a bot using short rifle though so this is far from hard science

[ocean spindle]

we need confirmation

time to redo r1c1 70 times

pew pew

[vernal nimbus]

I tried with auto sentry yesterday for stun (they all had arbalist + carbine) and they crumbled

[ocean spindle]

yeah thats first auto sentry cause its kinda bad for most situation
second depends on the alarm the tile if u moved and tbh i prefer veruta on em its faster

[vernal nimbus]

veruta damage disappoints me so I never put them on put

[ocean spindle]

i mean its like 3.9 vs 5 or so
but in exchange of the bigger mag the rate of fire and above everything, the huge stagger on it

yeah i prefer veruta

tho sometimes i do, use arbalist if i feel like my aim its gettin worse one day

but for bots i leave em with it

[vernal nimbus]

isn't veruta less efficient ammo per dmg wise too actually?

[ocean spindle]

i do not think so

both get about the same total dmg [900, veruta its only like 14 more]

and same for dmg per ammo refill

they both get a lil more than an entire mag

[vernal nimbus]

oh

[ocean spindle]

and veruta gets a tiny bit more

[vernal nimbus]

nice

[ocean spindle]

also i like verutas design more and reload animation

:b

[vernal nimbus]

what's your usual veruta vs striker firing burst?

how many shots

[ocean spindle]

uhhh on a striker, not hittin headshots, 7 8 or so
if i hit headshots i think it would be less
on arba its 4 cause its 5.3 or so dmg but its also slower firerate so

i dont really know which one would be faster

[vernal nimbus]

oh

I 2 hit with arba

1 pop head they spin back from stagger

and 1 shot to back

[tiny tundra]

iirc Veruta has the higher DPS and higher stagger but much higher recoil

[ocean spindle]

ah well i guess headshot yeah but i am bad hittin headshots tbh

[ocean spindle]

no yeah hits like a truck

its like HAR

except HAR its more made to tap tap tap

[vernal nimbus]

I love sniper but I can't aim

[tiny tundra]

I really like it

[ocean spindle]

i would use sniper so much if i could aim lol

[vernal nimbus]

hybrid hater yes?

[tiny tundra]

Sniper is fun but I'm usually the one bringing machinegun lol

[ocean spindle]

general big hater

on my bot runs i need to take care of the bigs

cause bots are mostly just, stagger force on bigs instead of dmg

[vernal nimbus]

same

but I use burst cannon

[ocean spindle]

and if i could take snippy for a quick death i would but i go for more, flexible stuff instead

bc would be cool i need to use it more

i usally always go mg or, maybs shotgun, chokemod, high cal

if i feel funnny HAR

[vernal nimbus]

how do people use choke mod and high cal

I never manage to make them work

hel rifle just feels so much better than high cal for me

[ocean spindle]

its nice, 30 dmg on such a small like cone its nice, high cals one bullet not even a shottie
i mean high cal just has that one more bullet, kinda ok reload, it has less range yeah but well its just nice on close quarters

chokemods its just fast, on everything

fast reload fast firerate and good range

hel rifles nice but i just feel it a bit slow, pecially for the mag size, chokemod its 4 but reloads so fast

its good for some stuff like chargers but i usually pick something else, im also not super good at funneling enemies

to actually make the pen do something

[vernal nimbus]

high call dmg fall off is oof

[ocean spindle]

yeah i mean 6 meters hurts but depending on the level u dont notice it

only on like long hallways its when it, hurts really bad

specially takin a shot at a charger and not oneshottin it

[minor fractal]

Saw this late, but only if I want them to show their head in a crowded room or if I don't want it to happen like if we're stacking on a giant.

[ocean spindle]

do u ever take auto just to piss ahaha get it

like

like hel autopisstol

anyways i need sleep nini

[silver fable]

they're generalist guns, you want to point them at a bit of everything imo

if you're just pointing them at smalls then even high cal might tend to struggle for uptime or ammo

and if you're just looking for a big or boss killer then there are clearly better options, e.g. scattergun

but if you want to hit a bit of everything then their ammo pools tend to work out, and they let you be across multiple tasks

high cal in particular has a bit extra ammo and a bit more uptime of the two

arguably high cal also wants to be compared to hel rifle, trades off the range and pen to be a more nimble gun

choke wants to burst down bigs and allow you to have more kill threat into bosses with its precision multi

though due to a tumor bug, client players on high cal will still do pretty well into tanks

[fast talon]

high cal pretty good against the new tentacle charger

[silver fable]

I think you need a tumor hit to 1tap?

which isn't unreasonable per se

[hazy wedge]

Scattergun it

[fast talon]

not the big ones

scattering them would be kind of waste

[hazy wedge]

😔

[fast talon]

tentacle strikers? I still dont know how to call the new mobs in R8

[tepid sand]

They are called the nightmare variants

Nightmare Striker, Nightmare Shooter, Nightmare Scout

[fast talon]

i see

[silver fable]

squiggles

[fast talon]

yeah, feels high cal pretty good against them, not in solo situation though

[clear patrol]

what weapons are best vs tanks?

[floral acorn]

scattergun.

[dry pumice]

Scatter if you can get point blank.
Burst Cannon if you want to stay slightly away.
Precision or Sniper Rifles if you want to harass it from range. Currently its complicated - there is an argument to be made that Prec is a better boss killer than the nerfed Sniper.

[dry pumice]

Hmm... Is it true that tank tumors are x3? Sniper Rifle deals 240 damage, is that right?

[silver fable]

capped by tumor hp

x3 crit sounds right

[dry pumice]

Yeah. 90 damage down the drain, but still...

For host only though.

[silver fable]

max tumor hp cap is for client too

client just gets to ignore remaining hp cap

[dry pumice]

PR is 50 damage per shot. 5 shots to achieve Sniper's effect.

Lmao, ironically this means they are basically equal for clients. 50x10 vs 240x2. 20 total dmg difference.

[silver fable]

150hp per tumor

sniper hit is only akin to 3 PR hits

[dry pumice]

But accounted for overdamage problems and the fact that sniper punishes misses harshly... Hm.

[mild arch]

Guys, does it matter how many of prisoners get evacuated? I mean, is it somehow worse for the completion of mission if 3 of guys are dead and only last one gets evacuated, for example?

[dry pumice]

No, it doesn't matter.

[mild arch]

Cool, thanks!

[dry pumice]

As long as 1 guy escapes it's a win

[silver fable]

again you're ignoring the fact that client still respects max tumor hp cap, sniper does 150 even as client

[mild arch]

Artek bro you are like guru of gtfo? I always see you answering any types of questions)

[dry pumice]

Huh? Then wtf is this talk of client shenanigans and OP scatter for clients?

[silver fable]

remaining tumor hp

client ignores remaining tumor hp

[dry pumice]

Ethernally a Tech Support Operator 😔

[silver fable]

I think you'll find that scatter dealing damage per pellet means that each pellet gets to deal its max before the netcode resolves that the tumor is gone

[mild arch]

O I see then

[silver fable]

a worked example:
high cal deals ~66 per shot to tank tumors
assume high cal hits the same tumor 3 times
the first 2 shots deal 66 each, leaving the tumor on 18hp
then the third shot lands
on host the third shot deals 18dmg and pops the tumor
on client the third shot deals 66dmg, ignoring remaining hp cap of 18hp

[dry pumice]

Yeah, that's what I was saying. Doesn't it mean sniper Rifle client then just deals 240 and that's that? Exact same principle, no?

[hidden ridge]

I wouldn't call chokemod a "generalist" gun tbh

[tardy ingot]

it somehow is tho with the current gun setup

[silver fable]

no, because remaining tumor hp cap and max tumor hp cap are different things

[hidden ridge]

HiCal has some good usage by popping smalls but reload time of choke really doesn't make it useful on anything other than bursting bigs IMHO

[silver fable]

note that the third shot deals 66 damage on client, which is greater than the remaining hp cap of 18hp, but less than max hp cap of 150hp

[silver fable]

disagree

[tardy ingot]

its a fine to good choice vs

all smalls (not good obviously)
Chargers
Any big
Any scout
Mom/tank/kraken (pmoms ok)
Snatcher
Flyers
Big flyers
Nightmares

its just kinda bad vs babies

[hidden ridge]

how dare you

[native sun]

Client ignores current HP and allows multiple shots to hit the same tumor before it is marked as destroyed (but is still limited by tumor max HP for each damage instance).

Host is limited by current HP and resolves the breaking of tumors instantly so doesn't allow hitting the same tumor multiple times.

[hidden ridge]

I'll be passively aggressively adding emoji on your comments from now on without ever writing anything back

[tardy ingot]

But please make it clown, nerd or similar emojis

[dry pumice]

Rip sniper it is...

[tardy ingot]

yep
Overkilling every tumor but 2 in the game is

[hidden ridge]

ehhhh "fine" against smalls isn't a bit stretching it?

[tardy ingot]

it is fine tho?
Small mag yes. But its as efficient roughly as shotgun, high cal and no pen hel rifle

[silver fable]

sniper's merit into tanks was speed, its ammo efficiency into tanks was kinda mid

[hidden ridge]

I dont know, there's just some guns where I cant see not wanting something else for most usages tbh

And choke is one of them

[tardy ingot]

chokes issue is that it doesnt stand out for any of those things rly

[hidden ridge]

Hence my reticiency to call it "generalist"

[tardy ingot]

even with snipers nerf

[silver fable]

I agree that uptime into smalls for choke isn't great, it's an important limitation of the gun

[tardy ingot]

other guns just do their parts better

its specifically WHY its a generalist

[silver fable]

but it has an ammo profile that allows it to contribute into smalls for sure

[hidden ridge]

If I don't know what a map has, I'd rather bring a Shotgun or a BC rather than a choke

Which makes me not wanting to call it a "generalist" gun

Since it really ain't a jack of all trades

and there's situations where I'd rather have something else

[tardy ingot]

See:
Smalls: obviously lots of guns are better
Chargers: hel rifle and gun
Bigs: burst cannon/hel rifle/sniper (lol) and scattergun
Scouts: hel rifle/prec rifle
Mom: scattergun/shotgun/prec rifle/burst cannon
Tank: scattergun/burst cannon
Kraken: prec rifle/hel rifle/sniper
Pmom: ya know it
Snatcher: scattergun/burst cannon
Flyers: hel rifle/gun potentially, high cal
Big flyers: actually quite good
Nightmares: hel rifle, otherwise probably only hel gun draws even. Maybe shotgun?

[tardy ingot]

it does a few things better than BC tho

But those things are done better by other guns.
BC is way more specialized still

And shotgun has some waveclear bonus vs being worse vs other stuff (chargers/flyers)

[hidden ridge]

Take it this way, of that list what's most encountered is usually smalls, chargers, bigs and scouts and hel rifle does good in all of those scenarios

[tardy ingot]

thats just hel rifle being incredibly good tho

[hidden ridge]

Hence I'd much rather call hel rifle a general use weapon than choke

[tardy ingot]

not choke mod NOT being a generalist

[hidden ridge]

Plus BC can do scouts fine?

[tardy ingot]

being a better weapon =/= being a generalist

[hidden ridge]

You can even frontkill a Chargerscout

[tardy ingot]

it can, and?

[hidden ridge]

so it's fine?

and your list doesn't have it?

(just saying that it's generally decent to good against most things you can find against)

[tardy ingot]

i put weapons that are noticeably better at those jobs than choke mod lol

[dry pumice]

Reload speed buff, reload speed buff

[tardy ingot]

not the point artek

[hidden ridge]

I just dont see it as generalist period

especially since that list has stuff you dont find most of the times...

[tardy ingot]

a gun that deals with everything decent to well

And not a generalst.

Just doesnt match

[tardy ingot]

This doesnt matter btw

you can be specialized into only small enemies which appear the most

lol

[hidden ridge]

I'd say it really stretches the definition of decent sometimes

[hidden ridge]

for general use, what's most common to find does matter?

[dry pumice]

What's the difference between a "generalist" and "Jack of all trades"?

[tardy ingot]

all rounder*

[dry pumice]

Because I do think choke fits the latter for certain, but that x4 shells on 2.7 reload is cringe, especially if I miss.

[patent gust]

What’s the easiest way of beating r8c1 PE? Secondary up to the code input then overload?

[silver fable]

I'd probably just complete secondary

then do overload and extract

main issue for overload appears to be people (including me for a while) not knowing that the waves exhaust between rounds

at least if you succeed in the round they do

that already gives you a lot of leeway in overload, I don't think you also stand to benefit from whatever secondary cheese

[patent gust]

The wave exhausts everytime we verify correctly from the terminals?

[silver fable]

yes

though it seems like each round queues up quite a lot of stuff

[dry pumice]

Do not input secondary terminal command

[silver fable]

so you will get waves spawning in after the round ends for a bit

[dry pumice]

For some reasons overload reacts different if secondary was actually completed or not.

[silver fable]

the queue does deplete though

[dry pumice]

Specifically waves stop or give you a break or some shit.

So clear the secondary area, loot it, but don't actually do the terminal command - you come back for that later.

[silver fable]

my understanding is that secondary adds shadow waves

[dry pumice]

I believe specifically what happens is that after you insert second terminal code for overload - waves suddenly stop and give you a break. Loot, refill, finish the overload.

[patent gust]

Ty 👍

[tardy ingot]

„For some reason“

As in shadow waves get added?

[tardy ingot]

they stop yes, but the secondary waves happen which take a bit to clear

tho honestly, just clear them.
The whole secondary thing is being delayed is unfun as hell

[rain spoke]

the former is a person who tends to generalize things and the latter is "Master of no one"

[soft crater]

None

[hidden ridge]

Yes aside from last which basically starts an error when you finish it AFAIK

Supposedly, as said above, finishing secondary changes the waves and that's it. Leaving the code for last means that you'll have to backtrack, but tbh it's not a big deal. Just prelist zone terminals, do the first team scan (if needed) all together, then before starting phase 2/3 clear all 3 of the possible terminal zones.

That makes finishing Overload even easier and then the only annoyance is the waves possibly spawning "inside".

It's bizzarre how R4 has 7 PEs, R5 has 5, R6 has 2, R7 has 3 PEs while R8 just has 1

Without counting R7 PEs really became rarer over time

(which personally I consider it a good thing)

[cinder totem]

Well, i tried r1c2 once again for the no tool achievment this time not using anything at all no cfoam nades, no mines u find in lockers, no glowsticks no nothing yet i still did not get the achievment, not quite sure how to get the achievment now

[dry pumice]

For what it's worth - R8 don't need no PEs to push your crap in, so there's that...

[dry pumice]

What tools did you bring, bots included?
I got mine on R6C1 with 4 HEL auto sentries.

I think there might be a bug in bot behavior that causes it, but so far we can't prove anything.

[cinder totem]

i just go in with 4 burst sentries and thats about it

and yes bots were included

[dry pumice]

It's a mystery.

[devout bridge]

did you play a level before trying to obtain the achievement in r1c2 or was it a "fresh boot" of the game ?

[cinder totem]

a fresh boot

[devout bridge]

yep, no idea either then

[cinder totem]

i even tried a speedrun after the run it didn't give me it, like right after it i just went in again and still got nothing from it

i could always just use SAM for it but still quite stupid

[devout bridge]

got mine in r1c2 and I did use c foam nades, so i'm sure the achievement can be obtained, but I have no idea what's happening in your case

[dry pumice]

It seems to work 50/50.

[cinder totem]

Yeah the first attempt i did yesterday i used cfoam nades and everything else after completeing it and not getting it i thought that it must be the cfoam nades, guess not

[cinder totem]

looks like it

[devout bridge]

might just be a bot thing like Docr3d said last time

[cinder totem]

oh welp, ill try once again then most likely gonna host a lobby in that case

Intresting, closing the game just now for some reason gave me the achievment. I thought it gives you the achievment after returning back to the lobby no?

[dry pumice]

Yeah, it should.

Game acting quirky as always

[marble wyvern]

which e level without boosters do u go for when trying to do the achievement?

[devout bridge]

r8e1 is the easiest

[civic wave]

R8E1 is the easiest yeah

The achievement stupidly doesn't invalidate if your teammates use boosters, so they can chuck them on and abuse them

[marble wyvern]

cheers for the intel : )

[craggy pier]

I got a team of 3 of my friends to play the game is a 4th person really neccersary I want to make sure were not biting off more then we can chew with only 3 guys

[devout bridge]

fill the 4th slot with a bot

[ocean spindle]

u can complete the game 3 people perfectly fine, for all its worth u could do it two peoplee ksks

so dont worry

and u can always fill it up with a person on the LFG if u need one day

[craggy pier]

awesome thanks for the help

[dry pumice]

I don't know man, bots be big stupid sometimes.

[ocean spindle]

very rarely

only two real problems are friendly fire and the scan bug, and the scan bug has a solution

and ff i guess too, just puttin him with weak guns

[dry pumice]

I can't imagine doing R8D2 with a bot. I'm scared to think what his behavior is like on there.

[ocean spindle]

thats why i also said the LFG thing

also idk d2 so

:3

:D

[devout bridge]

having a 4th tool slot is enough to justify a bot

[ocean spindle]

bio bot 10/10

[dry pumice]

Not even that. They're amazing on bio.

However their AI is shit and is countered by a worrying amount of things, mechanics, or enemies.

Tank alone is pretty much a death sentence for them, they just stare it down.

[ocean spindle]

get one person to defend it from a wall, make the bot follow em

[devout bridge]

with 3 bots tanks are annoying yes, otherwise it's so easy to burst tanks right now that it's not much of a problem

they'll lose some hp, not that big of a deal

[ocean spindle]

just do the mine funny

:D

[dry pumice]

Don't think thats gonna work with D2 one...

[ocean spindle]

idk d2

:D

but u can do it

believe in urself and the bots

give em a hug

[wind cedar]

Is there any way to stealth kill the ||Nightmare Scouts||?

[ocean spindle]

||think foam can do it and then hitting it the back between multiple people; it has a LOT of health so take advanate of back and i think tumor hits for best dmg.... or 4 tripmines i think||

[dry pumice]

||Mandatory cfoam, 3 people at least whaling on the tumors while it's frozen.
Try aiming foam for the legs, because it tends to cover the tumor and people don't know where to hit. ||

[wind cedar]

👍

[soft crater]

|| if full team. Prioritize 2 take out back tumor and then 2 go for front tumor. The side tumors are bait. ||

[hidden ridge]

Such a weird design decision tbh

Tank doesn't have decoy bubbles does he?

[ashen frigate]

No, but some are harder to hit due to the hitbox being protected by limbs or other armored areas. Same goes for moms

[sturdy owl]

do sentries still do crit damage? I'm seeing mixed things. I know they don't do backstab damage, but wanted to know if eg a sniper sentry can still two shot a giant, or if they pop heads for no reason (to make your life harder)

[ocean spindle]

sentries do make headshots and get the dmg for em i think

[tiny tundra]

They do yes

They just don't get any bonus damage for flanks

[craggy pier]

what verb do i use to describe that i am searching for things on a terminal

i just say googling but i don't like it

but searching also means physically going around and looking at things

[sturdy glen]

listing stuff

[craggy pier]

but whatabout pinging and querying

i am terminal'ing

[civic wave]

code monkeying

[hidden ridge]

to query is a verb?

[civic wave]

or I guess, checking the terminal

[craggy pier]

that's also specific to one command

[sturdy glen]

figuring out where stuff is

[hidden ridge]

I sometimes say "let me ask Mr Terminal"

Referencing Spaceballs

[livid stone]

listing stuff

[civic wave]

I normally say I'm going to check the terminal I think

look at the terminal, whatever

[hidden ridge]

Ammopacks, if you think about it, are reverse Healthpacks

[craggy pier]

death insurance

[tiny tundra]

I also just say I'm checking the terminal

[tame fulcrum]

I've recently bought the game, going through it with a group of friends from the start and we cleared R1C1 today. I was surprised to see no more checkpoint doors after the one in R1A1, does anybody have an idea how common they are in the first few ALT Rundowns? Just curious

[craggy pier]

not common

they added the checkpoint to r1a1 because it's the very first level of the game to make it easier

idk if r1 r2 and r3 have checkpoints at all

apart from that

[rain python]

Your next “first” checkpoint will be in r6 when they were originally added

[tame fulcrum]

Huh, I would have assumed they would have included those in the ALT Rundowns on release, guess not

Thanks for the help

[rain python]

Yeah they didn’t end up doing that, maybe caused a bunch of unwanted bugs?

[tame fulcrum]

I guess the first five rundowns were just not designed with them in mind. If we would have failed the reactor startup in R1C1 I would have appreciated being able to start from the last security door you have to open in there. But its not like the expedition is unplayable without one

[topaz anvil]

The original rundowns were kept as similar as possible when made into alt versions. The only mission now with a checkpoint is r1c1 i think

[tame fulcrum]

Yeah I figured. And its only R1A1, R1C1 we just did today

[tardy ingot]

Yep pretty much this aswell

Plus point, getting to the reactor in r1c1 rly shouldnt take more than 5 minutes once you went there before

[dry pumice]

It was quite hilarious see them add that to R1A1... Too many free weekend players kept getting filtered.

And then there's like 40 missions after that with no checkpoints at all.

[tame fulcrum]

Yeah I guess five minutes sounds about right. Our group is still very much new to the game, so we are taking things rather slow

I am wondering if we should stick to the rundown order or just skip to R6 after we clear R1

[ocean spindle]

good thing is from now on u will now all the level till the point u left it

tbh its a valid option, but i would recommend doin some of r3 and r2

and then when u get at hard levels at those that u get stuck on

then u can jump to r6

just cause r2 teache a lot of mechanics, and r3 its the easiest rundown after r1

[tame fulcrum]

Thanks, we'll stick to that then. I have heard before that R4 and R5 are kinda skippable

I might want to go for achievements later on, but at least with this group I want to keep it chill and stick to the main objectives and see the end of the game

[ocean spindle]

yeah id suggest not dwellin into r4 and specially r5 till u feel confident in ur skills

those two are, the hardest of the ALTs

pretty much

[odd gyro]

what are the best guns rn?

[ocean spindle]

in main, still the same on hel revo carbine
but on specials anyones say, some strong ones are combat shottie, machinegun, hel gun now that its beed buffed back to how it was [0.2 charge]
but always situational

guns are situational to the level

[odd gyro]

what about like a constant alarm level?

[civic wave]

you can use any gun, most missions will give you plenty of ammo, which level are you playing?

[odd gyro]

g3d1 i got to the end and i'm happy with what i run was just wondering what most people run these days. I like the bullpup and the machine gun

[hazy wedge]

r3d1?

[odd gyro]

ye

[ocean spindle]

machineguns nice for an alarm, for r3d1 i think someone with a burst cannon or scattergun or somethin of that kind would be nice for some parts, but only one person

[civic wave]

machine gun is fine, bullpup is not the greatest but again, you can get away with anything

[ocean spindle]

bullpups not high but all weapons are perfectly usable and fine

[odd gyro]

it got buffed no>

?

[hazy wedge]

Bullpup got nerfed

[civic wave]

it got nerfed in the latest big update

for no reason whatsoever

[hazy wedge]

Decreased range, increased reload times

[odd gyro]

oh you're right

[ocean spindle]

its buffed from how it previously was on the rest of rundowns

[odd gyro]

what do you guys normally run with?

[ocean spindle]

still maintains the dmg buff n stuff

[civic wave]

hel revo burst cannon

[hazy wedge]

I really only run 4 main weapons. The rest are pretty mid

[ocean spindle]

i usually go heavy smg, i like it a lot
on specials uh a lot of stuff, machinegun, veruta and arba tho more veruta, shottie sometimes, uh scattergun cause its fun, combat shottie for smalls

sometimes i take pistol too and burst pistol but for d1 i dont think theyll be as good tbh

[odd gyro]

scattergun is goated

[ocean spindle]

scattergun its very very fun

[odd gyro]

what melee weapon do you guys go with as well

[rain python]

Hammer

[ocean spindle]

hammer, sometimes bat

cause i like bat

lately a bit of knife if theres a lot of combat

[dry pumice]

Spear. I'm too much of range appreciator, even if that thing has its' problems.

Every time i switch to hammer i'm lowkey disgusted how close the hitboxes are. I genuinely can't tell if its any longer than bat or knife. But with spear... With spear you can tell.

[ocean spindle]

it is longer

ur just too used to the spear

[safe drum]

Which one is veruta

The thin one?

[ocean spindle]

yeah, the fast one

with the orange sight

[safe drum]

Oh I use blue one

[ocean spindle]

those are the only guns we do use the manufacturer name cause

they

named machinegun

both ksdmkm

[safe drum]

I know

[ocean spindle]

i also use the blue one sometimes

[safe drum]

I have tried both

And I liked the blue one more

It packs a punch

[ocean spindle]

i just really like the feel of high rate of fire and the sounds
so meaty

[safe drum]

Lmao thr blue one gives me that feeling

It's slower but

[dry pumice]

I need to use Arbalist more

[safe drum]

It makes it more tankier

[safe drum]

I used it on tanks

[dry pumice]

I unironically enjoy it, i just low key feel like i'm throwing when i'm using it

[safe drum]

Is extraction the only hard part of r1d1

[ocean spindle]

no

its kinda the, easiest part along with the start tbh

[safe drum]

I always die on the second alarm door

[ocean spindle]

what tools u having?

[safe drum]

Either I'm so laggy

Or ppl leave

[ocean spindle]

oh

[safe drum]

Idk but I'm pretty sure ppl start shooting at air

And then those enemies teleport

It's unplayable with lag

Hel revolver is cool

I use the stagger pistol thing and

Machinegun

[ocean spindle]

hel auto?

[safe drum]

Or hel gun

Yes

[ocean spindle]

its funny :3

[safe drum]

It's good

It's a support weapon

It works good as long as your teammates have ammo left

[ocean spindle]

how much dmg it has...
1.5
i guess its not terrible on tryin to kill stuff

[dry pumice]

R1D1... Hm.

[ocean spindle]

thats a, 7 shot on body or somethin

[safe drum]

I know it's not that hard

[ocean spindle]

on a striker

[safe drum]

R5d1 was the hardest so far

I even tried r8d1

[dry pumice]

2 major bits are the scan in the crossroads hub room, the giant stealth room after that and maybe reactor if team is not used to it.

[ocean spindle]

like, obv ksdmk

[dry pumice]

R1D1 got bazzilion of ammo in side rooms.

And they are free to open, so...

It'll add like 15 minutes of play time each, but you'll be SWIMMING in supplies.

[safe drum]

I wanted to do that but

[ocean spindle]

swimming its a strong word if u wake up every room

[safe drum]

I was scared because I thought they would come from those two other doors if I open them

When I open the alarm door

[ocean spindle]

yeah :D

they would

so usually its, after the alarm

[safe drum]

Alright

I can't get headshots with hel revolver like I used to

😔

Let's go to gtfo chat

[tardy ingot]

Says you can run anything:
Runs absolute meta loadouts

[civic wave]

you can run anything, but I can't run anything

I have to use hel revo burst cannon, otherwise how would people know its me

[ocean spindle]

by ur

name

ill make u use heavy smg revo

ur welcome

:3

[safe drum]

I used to use heavy smg

My very first weapon that I liked

[craggy pier]

high cal vs shotgun for chargers

[ocean spindle]

high cal cause its one shot instead of pellets

reduces the chance of miss

that also why hel rifle its so good at it

[olive robin]

Scattergun. If you set it up right and get perfect pellet distribution you can kill 5 chargers in a single shot.

[craggy pier]

leave

[olive robin]

I'm right though

[fluid patrol]

Do terminal pings appear in the map?

[digital mural]

they appear on the screen

for a couple seconds

[fluid patrol]

They appear on the screen no matter how far they are from youright?

[digital mural]

you need to be in the zone of the thing you want to ping

[ocean spindle]

but yeah they appear no matter how far away u ares

[fluid patrol]

got it thanks guys 🙂

[fluid patrol]

Also, after picking up an item and then you do LIST RESOURCE zone, does the item still appear in the terminal?

[digital mural]

no

it doesnt

[fluid patrol]

Aweosme, thank you!

[narrow niche]

it shouldnt*

it can glitch

if youre hosting it should be fine though

[jaunty latch]

I mean if you want to get slapped by the rest of them while reloading sure

[craggy pier]

any tips for R1B1 its such a pain in the ass

[lone mortar]

shoot

set up mines/foam

shoot x2

[cinder merlin]

What does the number below the rundown means? like: "Completed [2, 0, 0, 0]"

[digital mural]

optional objectives

main
secondary
overload
PE ( sec and overload in the same run)

you dont see them until R4

[cinder merlin]

so if there is "1" it means I did 1 secondary?

[digital mural]

the first number is main

the second is secondary

the third is overload

and the fourth is PE

if there is [1,1,0,0] that means you did main and secondary

[past mesa]

Do north zone first

[cinder merlin]

So does [5, 0, 0 , 0] means I did PE?

[past mesa]

Then do the alarms

[digital mural]

no

thats [1,1,1,1]

also its a counter

on how many times you did it

[main, secondary, overload, Prisioner Efficency]

[cinder merlin]

Oh ok lol, thanks!

I only get new stuff on the first run tho right?

[digital mural]

yup

only first expedition completition gives cosmetics

you can also get a cool helmet if you complete a full rundown

[cinder merlin]

oh nice

so overload is another secondary and prisioner efficency is if everyone is not dying at end?

[sharp tangle]

Hey gang, does anyone know if 10C has plans to provide a pathway to unlock all cosmetics (besides event ones etc)? As it stands right now I have more cosmetics to unlock than missions left to do...

[digital mural]

no

[ocean spindle]

prissoner efficiency its a run completing all sectors

main sec and ov

[digital mural]

PE is doing main,sec and overload in the same run

[jaunty latch]

tbh just install the mod that lets you use all of them once you complete everything

[lone mortar]

real

modding mentioned

[jaunty latch]

I bring it up to like half the people asking things here lol

[digital wave]

is R8 the last rundown released from the dev ?

[tepid sand]

Short story, yes

[low blade]

Hey does anyone know if it's still possible to get the Overload 6 skin? I saw it on the wiki and the condition said all R6 overloads so so I PE'd the two overload missions and 100% the whole rundown but still nothing. No longer available?

[desert falcon]

Yeah that was only for the original R6; completions in Alt R6 don't count for it sadly. (So it should not be obtainable anymore)

[low blade]

All right 😦 , thanks for the answer

[urban vale]

||is there any point in doing the r8c1 secondary? does it benefit the primary obj any way||

[silver fable]

as far as I'm aware no

you do secondary because you want to do secondary

[urban vale]

my team is mega struggling with the gtfo part of gtfo

we do the obj and then we're just getting clapped because the facility is so convoluted

[silver fable]

maybe the ||alternating fog shenanigans are meant to stop (at least the objective prompt is suggestive of this?) ||but in my experience this doesn't happen

on the other hand, ||at least in overload it adds shadow waves to the objective, I wouldn't be surprised if it also added shadows to the main objective||

[silver fable]

this shouldn't be so hard, maybe practice the extract run before starting the action

[urban vale]

well... it is xdd
half the time we don't even make it out of the obj. room

[late wolf]

I have a question about rundown releases. I see the plot point about Alt rundowns and how your player's memories are "fuzzy" and that the levels may not be what they remember. Does that mean the alt rundowns are based on original content that is no longer in the game or something?

[tepid sand]

The ALT:// releases are based on their original counterparts, yes

[silver fable]

lore-wise yes, but you're only really missing a bunch of forced audio logs in r6

as far as I understand at least

[late wolf]

So that means rundown 7 and 8 are the original ones?. Also is there a way to access the original levels, as I can't imagine such a plot point without the original levels playable

[silver fable]

mechanically I'd think of the alts as remasters of the original rundowns

the underlying game systems have changed a bunch, probably to the point where most of the original work doesn't just c&p over

[hidden ridge]

I think you're vastly overvaluating the importance of it tbh

[tepid sand]

R7 is original, R8 is the merging of ALT/Original into one

You cannot play previous rundowns, it was an intended mechanic

[late wolf]

I'm just curious

[hidden ridge]

OGs, to my admiteddly very lacking knowledge, dont have anything substantial in terms of lore differing, save for ||Alt R6CX||

[late wolf]

So it's a lore point added to explain to potentially returning players why the rundowns are different?

[silver fable]

I'd guess more that they decided to jazz up the alts with lore implications for vets

writers working it into the story because they could

but gtfo lore isn't really the sort of thing I'd expect new crews to piece together by mainlining a bunch of content

[late wolf]

Is there an in-game way to get a gist of the original levels so that it makes sense to fresh players? Because it sure was confusing to me who was looking for these original levels lol

[silver fable]

...not really?

I'd say the most overt story stuff begins with r7

originally it began with r6, and that stuff has been stripped out in alt r6, but the r6 story stuff was pretty aimless

I'd take the alts as signifying that those rundowns are soft remasters of the og versions

I think there's exactly one overt voice line at the end of r6d1 that wraps into r8 somehow

[late wolf]

Oh alright, I see. Thanks for the explanation. I was kinda scared to ask considering some experiences I heard about.

[silver fable]

mostly gtfo's story is either in r7 and r8, or is found buried in logs on terminals in other levels

if you want to go dig up literally every lore log and try to piece everything together, go ahead

but that's mostly the sort of thing where you go watch someone's lore video on youtube to catch yourself up

imo gtfo really isn't a story-driven experience in general

it's more like a collection of self-contained raids

which the emphasis on achieving some gameplay goal

[late wolf]

I mean, I can't even get past R1C1. Choking the bridge isn't helping either lol. So I doubt I'll be able to do that

But I appreciate the explanation on all of this

[silver fable]

r1c1 is weirdly a bit of a gatekeeper level for newer players

imo it's not really a well-designed level

my suggestion would be to dabble in other rundowns if you're stuck

it can take newer players a while to develop the skill set to beat the harder levels in this game

[late wolf]

A single person running back up the level, with inadequate firepower by design, through hoards on monsters to get a single terminal really isn't easy lol

[silver fable]

having access to 8 rundowns worth of A/B tiers is great for newbies

if you're worried about spoiling the story or something then just steer clear of r8 for now

[late wolf]

I will take that into account. Thanks

[sand gate]

as a player from asia, what other server are viable? the player count is not that high so i wanna try out other servers too

[native sun]

You can play with players from any other region, generally a good idea to try and find others as near as possible, as the game can suffer at higher latency

[cinder totem]

i'd say go for eastern and western europe the player count is quite high most of the time there and your ping shouldn't be all too bad

[sand gate]

Thank you! I'll give it a shot, kinda scared since i dont want to ruin others run because of the lag

[cinder totem]

i'd say from my own experience from being in eastern and playing with north american hosts, it geniunely reaches 200 ping at max, really not that bad, sure it might be some sort of delay but its more than playable

[fierce hare]

bro i need help i need turrent recommdations for reactor, so far manage to get to wave 7 with burst turrents before out of ammo and perished, heard about bio tracker and sniper/shotgun turrents but idk which is better

[cinder totem]

3 bursts

[sand gate]

would genarally bring 3 burst 1 bio

[cinder totem]

yup

[civic wave]

either 3 bursts or 2 bursts 1 sniper

[cinder totem]

i'd say 3 bursts and 1 person takes scattergun or sniper to deal with the giants

[civic wave]

we're probably talking about newer players so I'd rather recommend something like burst cannon or hel rifle for giants

[fierce hare]

hm alrighty only reason why asking cause doing reactor with 3 bots and heard biotracker giving shotgun/sniper turrents a bit more ammo and faster shooting and what not

[civic wave]

something they shoot from range and bodyshot with

[cinder totem]

i suppose still wouldn't hurt to try tho

[sand gate]

not sure about ammo, but itll shoot faster if you tag em

[fierce hare]

like on god i wish i can just tell the bots to defend a choke point or something while i stay at terminal

[cinder totem]

the bots are indeed quite special

[fierce hare]

trust me trying to balance sentry ammo is a miracle surprised i even got to wave 7 with sentrys

[silver fable]

I'd mix in a sniper sentry as well, but burst sentry doesn't need symbiosis

it's just good

you might do well to hold back a sentry or two for the first round or two, btw

[cinder totem]

i feel like the slow fire rate for it would mess up more than the burst imo

[fierce hare]

true but again shotgun does have 133 ammo with symbiosis and does one shot take down most enemies?

[silver fable]

you get bigs and hybrids in the waves, especially later ones

[fierce hare]

cause i feel like burst since 3 burst feels like wasting potenial ammo but idk

[cinder totem]

im aware, but its quite a little amount

[silver fable]

shotgun sentry is fundamentally jank

people can get good work out of it

but I wouldn't bother

[fierce hare]

cause i feel like shotgun on own sucks, with bio atleast decent or better havent really tested it

[silver fable]

its targeting behaviour prioritizes heads, which is bad because shotguns aimed at heads interact poorly in gtfo

[fierce hare]

heard bots are amazing with bio tracker

[silver fable]

first few pellets pop the head, causing the rest of the pellets to miss

[fierce hare]

so in your own words, 2 shots to take down most targets?

havent seen firing speed with or even without bio so dont know sob

[silver fable]

something like that? my understanding is that they chew through tool very quickly

the numbers for shotgun sentry have been buffed through the sky to compensate for bad targeting behaviour

so the result is a bit all over the place

[fierce hare]

makes sense

[silver fable]

bots get some busted omni-ping, yes

personally I prefer to use bio to learn it as a skill

[fierce hare]

bullets cost are making brain hurty

[silver fable]

but I just don't use bots

[fierce hare]

looking at wiki

bots are epic for stealth

timing tasks and other things they cannot at all

[silver fable]

I think everyone just uses the derived info that matters in game, like ammo per refill

and max ammo capacity, though that isn't as important as the refill number

[fierce hare]

right

[silver fable]

while acknowledging that it's controlled behind the scenes by bullet cost

[fierce hare]

but i think i know why shotgun turrent eats ammo like crazy

max ammo for it is 66 and bullet cost is about 8

if im thinking correctly bullet cost if for each shot?

dont know i aint smart

no i just im dumb aaaaaaa

ah just how much ya start with i think

[silver fable]

apparently it gets 13 rounds per refill

each shot should cost 1 round

unless under the influence of bio symbiosis

[fierce hare]

hm ok

so now im wondering if the first bullet of a burst gun kills a enemies does it lock onto another and continue? or am i overthinking

[silver fable]

I've heard from well-informed people that burst sentry does some wild things with its targeting where it can switch mid-burst from one enemy to another if part of the burst kills the enemy

but I wouldn't worry about that too much

main thing is that burst sentry typically 2-bursts strikers

and usually the first burst takes the head and leaves them on very low health

so you often see strikers slipping past the sentry headless and very easy to finish off with main (e.g. 1tap from hel revo or dmr)

[fierce hare]

yea seen that, hm, got me wondering, so i did math that prob doesnt even matter, but if each burst is 3 and lets say you had max ammo for it 85 bursts is what i got

though like ya said burst can work wonders though

and ive seen it

[silver fable]

it's a very good sentry

[fierce hare]

though a shotgun with bio is a 133 rounds (just reading the wiki) prob a rough estimate and maybe 2 to 1 shot to kill enemy havent tested sadly, shotgun doesnt seem that bad, atleast with bio

[silver fable]

experiment if you like

again, I'd rather use tools that aren't fundamentally jank

[fierce hare]

true true

though again might just try ealier might just use 2 sentrys till run out then use the other two

(me over here using four straight off the bat)

how i made it to round 7 beats me

[silver fable]

you'll have a hard time refilling 4 sentries

[fierce hare]

oh i know

[silver fable]

hell you'll have a hard time refilling 3

you get more time in later rounds

[fierce hare]

i should of done 2 bare minium

i cant speak tired

[silver fable]

imo you should run bio, and hold back one or even two sentries in early rounds so you don't overkill the waves with sentries

[fierce hare]

though what gets me is the running back and forth from terminal

[silver fable]

it's tougher solo+bots for sure

[fierce hare]

fr

[silver fable]

you'd probably do better jumping into a pub lobby on this server

feels like a bunch of people have been asking for r1c1 lately

[fierce hare]

yea maybe

be better cordinaton than a random one, trust me tried it was chaotic at best

[silver fable]

in-game matchmaking is ass, don't use it

[fierce hare]

aight

[floral acorn]

even a single playmate will make matters much easier .. holding waves deep south with 2 bots while the other one afk's near the reactor.. then switch places if ammo calls for it etc

don't have to run from reactor to deep-south if the other one is already there

[fierce hare]

thats what im saying

[floral acorn]

i did a betterbots run where i placed all 3 sentries in the cave-tunnel just before reactor, killed waves with ammo and once test phase was over, ran north, surviving enemies followed thru a sentry-trap

but that was betterbots. doesn't count.

[silver fable]

also honestly, r1c1 is a bad level

and r1 in general is pretty skippable

don't feel bad about just jumping into other rundowns

[wooden osprey]

ah yes the first rundown is bad

shocking

[floral acorn]

its touching to see how r1d1 was a "practice run" of r5d1

[silver fable]

you can come back for the r1c1 clear later when you're better if you like

[silver fable]

I don't think it's all bad

mostly just middling

but imo c1 stands out

that and d1

for different reasons

[wooden osprey]

fair

[fierce hare]

my bot is a comedian

[cinder totem]

any particular reasons for d1? i understand C1 considering its a reactor lvl and stands out from all the others but d1 seems like a normal level to me

[silver fable]

kinda just a loose and boring and easy level

[floral acorn]

fond memories of r1d1, the scouts, the scans, waving at the shadows as we pass them running home.. 🙂

[cinder totem]

first time seeing shadows was absoloutely brilliant

''whats attacking me''

[silver fable]

I love reactor levels, I even like free-code reactors like r5b1ov and the first part of r6d1

[jaunty latch]

isnt r1 all beta levels

[cinder totem]

i find free code reactors the best

[silver fable]

r1c1 just has a pretty lame gimmick imo

[jaunty latch]

its gimmick is its the first reactor level

[dry pumice]

Which one? What, loot collecting?

[cinder totem]

i find it to be a good add to r1 to get new players an understanding of what sort of levels can possibly show up in the future (those being reactors)

[silver fable]

it's gimmick is one person sitting all the way in the north twiddling their thumbs and bashing the occasional code in while the others shoot things somewhere south where the res is

[fierce hare]

fr

[silver fable]

or in less experienced crews, arguing among one another about whose responsibility it was to start heading back 15 seconds before the last wave ended

or in the most inexpereinced crews, holding on the north side of the reactor room and complaining that it's impossible to get res

[fierce hare]

im the second one

that was my first time

[dry pumice]

Just be the sacrificial carry and let newbies have some fun.

[cinder totem]

fr

[floral acorn]

"go to the terminal and type the code in" - time runs out, penalty begins - "i entered it!" - check terminal "unknown command: FROG" ... ehh

[cinder totem]

then everyone proceeds to blame the guy for the entirety of the wave

[floral acorn]

3rd penalty wave wipes team 🙂 .. we learned something valuable today.

[fierce hare]

pfft

[dry pumice]

Want something done right - do it yourself

[fierce hare]

ive done shot my bots so many dang times, just one shotting them with my shotgun, because im trying to shoot enemies, and they tryna give me ammo or something

[cinder totem]

they just want cuddles🗿

[fierce hare]

💀

[cinder totem]

bishops been through alot😔

[fierce hare]

bro howwwwd you know

[cinder totem]

anyway for the ''Inner'' achievement do i need to survive the expedition for it to count or can i just dropdown until i get the achievmenet

[dry pumice]

You have to actually finish the mission.

[cinder totem]

guessing r8a1 is the best?

[dry pumice]

Devs decided drop and quit cheese was too much.

[cinder totem]

1254m for a 12 min level

[dry pumice]

Yes, 8A1 is optimal.

About 80 clears for the achievement.

[cinder totem]

not that bad

[jaunty latch]

idk what your talking about I held there with no issues

[dry pumice]

But probably should clear the rest of the gsmr first.

[jaunty latch]

[cinder totem]

nuh uh.

still stuck on r2e1

that sh harder than kds deep istg

[dry pumice]

A take.

[jaunty latch]

how did you get through r5e1 no issues but struggle with that

[cinder totem]

idk

[dry pumice]

To be fair I had the same experience.

[floral acorn]

r5e1 u don't have to shuffle the bigpickups

[dry pumice]

5E I got first try basically with some experienced lads.

[cinder totem]

i've had multiple runs of people placing cells in the wrong generators aswell which fd the run multiple times

so i've just left that level probably for last

[jaunty latch]

mine we got to the charger surge then died on the scan

*note it was 2 man not a full team

[cinder totem]

i think i got r5e1 in sub 10 attempts, suprisngly r5d2 took wayy longer if i remember i mostly wiped on the wave in the reactor where ur supposed to go in the other zone near the start of the mission

[civic wave]

Sounds like struggling with being on your lonesome/having to hold waves

To which I say, r2e1 is definitely one of the easiest e tiers, you should shoot better

[cinder totem]

easiest? wow

[civic wave]

R8e1 is the easiest because r8 is messed up

Then it'd be r2e1 I guess

[jaunty latch]

d2 is probably the most attempts out of any level for me

[floral acorn]

once alt-r1 killed bot combat-carry, r2e1 became very tough with less than full teams

[cinder totem]

imo i'd say r4e1 is the 2nd easiest

at least i found it incredibly chill

[civic wave]

Mate, what are you smoking

[floral acorn]

disagree heavily, r4e1..

[civic wave]

Yes it's not that difficult if you're experienced, but nothing is difficult when you are

[jaunty latch]

did you get carried or something

[cinder totem]

not really

took us like 4 attempts to get it done

the reactor was the worst probably

[civic wave]

Reactor gives you so many resources, all you need is a good code searcher and someone who can hear the code searcher and actually put the damn codes in

[jaunty latch]

ive done 8 and only managed to assemble a team good enough to get past the tank part twice

however the code searcher moved so slow that we managed to run out of ammo

[civic wave]

I've had a run where code searching wasn't particularly slow and ammo still dried up half way through

It's definitely a mix of speed and how fast people use resources

[floral acorn]

also the giant / boss killer dude has to be on their top game

[devout bridge]

first part of r4e1 must be easier now with scattergun in its current state

[jaunty latch]

significantly

[civic wave]

It was never that difficult

[floral acorn]

if the tanks are not dead in 10 seconds after contact, it's almost a restart

[civic wave]

Scattergun doesn't make it any easier by dealing 60 more damage or whatever it is, 75 I think

[floral acorn]

once that fog comes down, mehhh

[jaunty latch]

yes it does

[devout bridge]

trust me, with blind and inexperienced players, it was

[civic wave]

You still had great tank killing without scattergun

[jaunty latch]

the issue before was you need 2 people to focus a tank to kill it fast enough

[civic wave]

Just that people suck and can't use other weapons ig

[fierce hare]

tested shotguns mid, only good for doors and what not, even with bio shoots to slow

[cinder totem]

ur right on that but scattergun is a really big step up to just delete tanks in an instant

ammo cost tho..yikes

[fierce hare]

burst for the win

[jaunty latch]

ehh it works if the team is competent

[civic wave]

Scattergun isn't that ammo inefficient into tanks

[cinder totem]

i suppose cause its quite legit only mean't for killing giants, etc

not gonna start blasting sleepers with it

[civic wave]

You can and if you get 2-3 kills per shot rhe ammo efficiency isn't bad at all

[lone mortar]

is there any infection in R2D2?

[civic wave]

Not anymore

[jaunty latch]

no

[cinder totem]

wait what, on my mama there was infection in r2d2

[jaunty latch]

though that would explain the fog turbine

[lone mortar]

aight thanks

[civic wave]

There was in the og

But not in the alt

[lone mortar]

cleared it like 3 times since OG

[civic wave]

Og had a disinfect station in reactor and infectious fog, alt has no disinfect and fog is not infectious

[cinder totem]

which level has schaeffers bucket?

[dry pumice]

R6BX I believe

[cinder totem]

what about the ''Voice of Truth'' achievement?

[dry pumice]

R2E1

[cinder totem]

fuck😭

which part of the level is it in

is it after or before the error?

[dry pumice]

No idea

[devout bridge]

before

[cinder totem]

oh then its not that bad

[cloud fox]

Ok, I've been confused about this for ages now. What does c-foam portion (booster) do and does it make any difference when foaming doors?

Like as i understand you just get more foam for less of the cost??? or am i completely wrong

I did search around but m aybe im just too smooth brained and need someone to hold my hand and explain it

[fierce hare]

yea ima need help with the reactor cant manage code and resources at the same time sob

prob tomorrow though i need sleep

[civic mist]

if I dont remember it completely wrong, then it only really works when you go for full charges, and not blob by blob. basically for a full charge of 12 blobs itll use less percentage of cfoam overall.

[tardy ingot]

any real charge*

so depending on the % and how much foam you want youd have to charge different amounts

[cloud fox]

Ooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Ok

Cheers

[verbal zinc]

Z98

[sharp tangle]

Question regarding R8A2 and it's secondary.|| I know you have to get a password from other missions in order to access the hidden terminal, but can someone give me a hint on where specifically in R8B2 I need to look? Just did the whole mission with bots and did not see anything on the terminals that looked password related...||

[floral acorn]

||hit secondary, don't kill kraken fast, after terminal command wait for the \ | / - \ .. thing to vomit out FIRSTHALF-XXXXX .. kill kraken, proceed||

[lilac fulcrum]

it should be after like 30 seconds

[floral acorn]

||then hit main, same thing with the top terminal with one of the terminal commands .. wait similar until XXXXX-SECONDHALF comes up||

[sharp tangle]

Thank you so much. Suppose I am heading back into that mission again...

[floral acorn]

or you can check spoiler-chat if u want to spoil yourself. 🙂

[sharp tangle]

Okay, extra stupid question, where is the spoiler chat? Do I need to like pick a role somewhere to see it?

[sharp tangle]

Love the game, thanks for making it. Have a lovely day!

[floral acorn]

u can check channels & roles if u didn't see my ping yet

[ocean spindle]

shotgun sentry? wdym too slow it goes so fast it shoots corpses that it doesnt detect have died yet

[neon gust]

Its just that it has high fire rate

Its not really shooting the body on purpose

[ocean spindle]

no ik but like thats what i mean

it doesnt shoot too slow

it shoots if anythin, too fast

[hidden ridge]

I did some (very not precise) tests a while ago on that: #gtfo-related-questions message

And tapping still costed 1 foam ammo even with 133% foam portion (it worked well on full charges)

Maybe it just rounds up a lot so it's only noticeable at certain points

[craggy pier]

So foam portion simply makes full charges better?

And has no effect on amount carried

[hidden ridge]

No, I think what Eva says is correct and it works with any real charge

[craggy pier]

Ok

[hidden ridge]

But I think that the game is dumb

[craggy pier]

I think so too

[hidden ridge]

And instead of doing "I'll make this tap cost 0.5"

It just says "fuck it, it cant be 0 let's make it 1"

And probably does that for most decimals

[craggy pier]

29.5 bullets in my burst rifle

[hidden ridge]

heh

[dry pumice]

Speaking of which.

I should try becoming The Burst Man again.

[craggy pier]

Not a bad plan at all

I was burst man for our first 8c1 attempt

[lusty bramble]

You gotta hit the r2e1 again

[craggy pier]

But i switched to precision rifle

No

Why would i ever

[lusty bramble]

You never know...

[craggy pier]

You never know what

It's a level that i completed

I don't wanna

[lusty bramble]

What about your second completion

You never know...

[craggy pier]

Not necessary

[lusty bramble]

Of course it's necessary

[craggy pier]

If i do a second completion it will be solo when i have 4000 hours

[hidden ridge]

I heard you unlock the special character "peeb" when you finish r2e1 a second time

[lusty bramble]

Well

You never know...

[craggy pier]

Beep

I will precision rifle your ankle

[lusty bramble]

I mean

You never know...

What e1 have you not finished yet

[craggy pier]

R4 r5 r7 r8

I'm almost done really

[lusty bramble]

You should get back on the r4e1 grind

You never know...

[dry pumice]

Lul

[lusty bramble]

The precision rifle is good on that map

Lots of fun

[dry pumice]

Unironically, even before the nerf

Buff, scuze me

[craggy pier]

The precision rifle is good on all maps

It is a based weapon

[lusty bramble]

I never have a hint of irony in anything I say

[craggy pier]

You never know

[lusty bramble]

@eva what do you think of taking dmr over hel revolver for the dicks

Why isn't he responding

Too busy with the sleeper podcast

Yeah! Sleeping on the podcast! Wake up!

[fluid patrol]

How do you guys balance ammo usage between snipers/presciiton rifle + rifles togetheter? do you use the sniepr rifle ammo on chargers so that the ammo pack can be useful?

[hazy wedge]

Simple ver. fire main pew pew, low ammo, switch to special pew pew and fire, low ammo, use ammo pack

[ocean spindle]

from being able to u can
its extra bullets that oneshot, extra kills
its always recommendable to try to balance ur % on both weapons

[floral acorn]

always burn 40 of special to 20 of main, that way every ammopack is always useful

there's a wesley vid about it from circa og r5 / r6 era

[fluid patrol]

Ohh so I should Be using the snipers/precision rifle 2x as more?

dosent it recover 20% each to both primary and special

[floral acorn]

keep an eye on your % on both weapons

if u at 75 main and 100 special, use special

[lone mortar]

minekrampftr

[floral acorn]

once u at 75 / 60, ask for an ammopack, then both go circa 90-95%

[fluid patrol]

ohh okay, so basicaly we want to try to keep a ratio of 60 special and 80 main, then 20 special 60 main, and so on?

and ovciousley when special runs out use main

[floral acorn]

but keep an eye on the % on both and remember a pack will supply more special than main .. having 10% main and 90% special is "wasteful" to be supplied 🙂

[hazy wedge]

Randoms when they have 20 main 65 special 😭

[tepid sand]

Pubs with sniper:
0% main
100% sniper

[soft crater]

I don't blame them with how bad it is now.

[lone mortar]

so real

[soft crater]

But still 100% and 0% main a pub thing

[lone mortar]

and they bring it to reactor level

[tepid sand]

Pre nerf sniper:
10% main
90% special

[dry pumice]

Special always goes first, unless can't be used at range

Precision Rifle engages, main finishes off.

Sniper... Unfortunately the opposite.
The eternal sniper struggle: do i wait for a giant to show up to use my weapon as intended, or do i take the L and shoot my 9% of ammo at a singular striker who was unfortunate enough to be passing my sight when i decided to piss away my ammo.

Being at 10 / 90 with a sniper rifle is basically a staple of the experience at this point. Silly thing.

[fluid patrol]

Thanks! why is this the case though? shouldnt we save preicison rifles for tankeir enemies too like a sniper?

[dry pumice]

Absolutely not

That's the point of it.

Sniper is... Sniper.

40 fucking damage on massive prec bonus as well. It was designed to nuke big enemies.

Prec Rifle is only measly 13 base damage. The Revolver deals 14.

Prec Rifle is a small / medium enemy remover like strikers, shooters, etc. A single headshot pops them right up.
You're not doing anything to giants. It usually takes a whole mag to kill one and its shit against chargers because 13 dmg means 3 shots to kill one.

So you use it to thin out the wave on approach and then your main finishes off the survivors who reached you.

Or you can bring something ridiculous like sawed off and compensate your inability to fight giants that way.

TL:DR
Sniper Rifle is a Sniper Rifle for high-priority targets.
Precision Rifle is a Sniper Rifle for low-priority targets.
Same base concept, polar opposite function.

[zealous canopy]

https://i.imgur.com/3Jpmhkq.png how does this badge work

[dry pumice]

?

[ocean spindle]

u get all the trading carts, either by buyin or trading em or others, and once u get one of each they all get deleted and u automatically get the badge

and it starts all over again

[zealous canopy]

oh

[ocean spindle]

and every time u get a better badge

[dry pumice]

Surely they weren't asking that

[ocean spindle]

i mean its the steam badge

[lone mortar]

real

[dry pumice]

That's like... An ancient baseline steam feature. Pretty useless one at that.

[ocean spindle]

functionality?

it just looks cool

thats it

and u can put it on ur profile

[zealous canopy]

Some steam things i've never really paid attention to

[lone mortar]

like slendi does

[ocean spindle]

:D

[dry pumice]

I only do it for games that truly deserved it in my heart. Like various FromSoft titles...

GTFO haven't quite earned it yet.

Maxing out those badges fucking expensive.

My friend has a tick of maxing out every single one for every game he gets no matter his thoughts on said game.

[zealous canopy]

oh god lmao

[dry pumice]

At this point he spent more total sum on these badges than some AAA titles with all DLCs

[urban vale]

||any advice for r8c1? my team keeps getting to the #1 uplink area, doing both uplinks, and then dying trying to get out of the room since it's so large and there are two snatchers that just yeet you. also I think it's a bug but the alarm doesn't stop/is inconsistent between the two different uplinks. should I just do the #2 option? is that any easier lol||

[dry pumice]

Literally just talked about that in #gtfo-chat

[dry pumice]

#gtfo-chat message

[urban vale]

oop

where at

well im not trying to do it ov

[dry pumice]

Hm. Then i'm not actually sure, since i actually managed to do it with bots first try.

The waves most definetely stopped for me once i was done with the uplinks.

[urban vale]

nope... not for me lol

are they supposed to stop between each uplink/after both?

[floral acorn]

error waves after both

[dry pumice]

Main only.

[floral acorn]

for us waves didnt stop after 1 uplink tho

[urban vale]

^

[dry pumice]

I swear they stopped for me

Weird.

I did secondary for real, don't know if that could be affecting it.

[urban vale]

and the fog just is killer

[dry pumice]

Secondaries changing mains in unpredictable ways seems to be a pattern with this rundown.

[urban vale]

honestly I think the biggest thing is latency

[floral acorn]

high ping / packetloss can do funni things yes.. like secdoors opening and closing again etc

[craggy pier]

are spitter locations random

[dry pumice]

No, i'm fairly certain they are 100% scripted and pre-determined.

That large one, placed directly on top of a terminal? Yeah, that's intentional.

If you replay same level enough times - you'll start recognising some of them.

[ocean spindle]

... i think they are random

[dry pumice]

I'm like 95% certain they are not. Pretty easy to test too.

[languid lichen]

is there no 4+ multiplayer mod available atm?

[ocean spindle]

thats probs a question for the moding server

[dry pumice]

I believe the answer is no.

I know i've seen mods that rescale the game for less players, but more? Me thinks its too much work for an average moder.

You gotta adress main menu UI and then various quirks the game might show when presented with more than 4 players and same characters.

[jaunty latch]

the way they coded the game makes it physically impossible without rewriting half of the games code

[languid lichen]

understood, ty

[jaunty latch]

because they hardcoded everything to 4

[languid lichen]

i mean that makes sense

[dry pumice]

That's what i guessed.

[ocean spindle]

very true its easy to test
i searched two different gtfo gameplays of r2b2 real quick, both in the blue part in the first zone door after u put all the cells in their gens and they are different

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GohkuQYbR3c&t=1066s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zx1aLet_Vo&t=1194s

both links lead to the same part

[dry pumice]

Huh, would you look at that.

I swear that one above-terminal guy in R8C1 was exactly the same.

So either they're not all random, or there is, perhaps an RNG preset of how they spread...

And i just happened to roll the terminal asshole

[ocean spindle]

i wouldnt doubt it

[craggy pier]

does r8e1's secondary do anything apart from waste valuable time

does it give you harder enemies

[hardy grotto]

Yes

[tepid sand]

Secondary is free

It doesn’t waste time

You’re timegated

[dry pumice]

It adds more of them. Notably shadows. But you can skip it and do main, then come back for it later when main waves stopped. You'll have to sprint back to it for like 2 minutes, and then the enemies it spawns will pursue back to main so its like replaying the whole level again, but its probably more viable as a strategy than doing it outright.

I don't know how extra waves work with main waves though. Do they stack? Do they replace? Do you end up pseudo-surging yourself?

[tepid sand]

Try it

It’s the way to play the level instead of wasting precious time running back and forth for so long

[dry pumice]

One gets you a reliable full clear

The other fucks you extra

[tepid sand]

One gets you a clear fast
The other is a waste of time

[dry pumice]

Sure it does...

[tepid sand]

Skill issue if you can’t clear it with secondary up front

[dry pumice]

Missing about +2 extra ammo uses in each zone though

Being on last % of ammo every 30 seconds is, uh...

[tepid sand]

You get more than enough ammo

[dry pumice]

More like just barely

[tepid sand]

🗿

[sturdy glen]

why are you even shooting

you can just run for every part but the very end and the r2e1 room

[dry pumice]

Scans require time and enemies run slightly faster than we do

[sturdy glen]

that is what the 600 doors are for

[dry pumice]

Yeah, right...

We did waste maybe an extra minute early on