gtfo-related-questions

[neon gust]

I never had issues

[modest monolith]

i don't want to remember the time i had to use HDD as my main storage for steam game... including gtfo

can't even boot into the game

[neon gust]

Onky issue i had was obviously the drop

Damn you guys either

Had 7+ year harddrives

Or not taken care of it

Because i was chilling

[modest monolith]

i bought the black WDD HDD and installed gtfo in the first 2 weeks, could not even get pass the "inject" screen...

once i switched to ssd, everything's fine

dk why

[neon gust]

I do

It was windows telemtry

Number 1 killer of performance

[modest monolith]

[neon gust]

What i would do after starting my computer was open task managee until i saw all windows processes gone

[modest monolith]

ok lemme try

[neon gust]

Everything then will function as usual

[modest monolith]

never heard of the telemtry

[neon gust]

Also i defrag my drive

Check for errors and such

[neon gust]

That onky applies if you have windows installed IN THE HDD

IF you have windows in the ssd

Then it will be gone in like 5 seconds

[modest monolith]

ok nvm...

i installed windows 10 on my ssd...

fml

[neon gust]

Thats good tho

I was just talking abiut how i gain control of my perfomance

Back when i had hdd

[modest monolith]

i'd never thought of turning off all window processes like you did cuz afraid of malfunction or something like that during gameplay

[neon gust]

I didnt turn off anything?

[modest monolith]

tho i gotta admit some processes did affect your performance

[neon gust]

I didnt say that what

[modest monolith]

.

[neon gust]

Read again

[modest monolith]

...

i think you're referring to killing all window processes ?

[neon gust]

Re-read

[past mesa]

No re type

[neon gust]

I didnt say kill

[modest monolith]

[neon gust]

Seen a process gone automatically its not you manually killing it

[modest monolith]

ok, got it

[tepid sand]

Installed my version of GTFO on a Samsung 970 Evo, I don't think it was an HDD issue

For my SSD, I overprovisioned it and made sure it had kept under 70 degrees, even installed a heat sink on it, so I don't think I didn't take care of it either

[neon gust]

That wasnt directed to you tho

Also thats an ssd

Not a hard drive

My boy got a laptop

😭😭

If hes stuttering my boy gotta check if hes on high performance mode, good airflow, 2 stick of ram not 1 and if his laptop not dusty as hell

Laptop gaming in a nutshell

[tepid sand]

Ye, I know, that's what I said...

In any case if you don't have one, get one. Most laptops have some upgradability feature where you are able to install an NVMe drive by yourself

SSDs should make games and operating systems run smoother in general

Many people will tell you to install multiplayer games on SSDs on such because they are very demanding on constant load

Not much you can do about replacing your GPU, you could potentially upgrade your RAM if it isn't hard soldered into the mobo

Though I think you need more VRAM than RAM to run this game

[modern python]

Welp

I only have an HDD atm

[cerulean rover]

At what levels is it better to train killing a scout?

[ocean spindle]

u can get 3 scouts in r7b1 right at the start
two in the alarm doors where they r completely alone, and then another one in the key room with enemies
its kinda the fastest group of scouts there is at such an early level

or u can mod scout playground and

do stuff there too

[cerulean rover]

How?

[ocean spindle]

.t modding

[uneven gulch]

While we do allow the use of some QoL and visual mods, GTFO doesn't officially support modding. However, we do recognize that a GTFO modding community exists and if you are interested in them, you are welcome to check out the modding communities found in #hc-modded (If you have any more questions, please read rule #12 in the rules channel for more information.)

[wind wren]

If I were to disconnect (all players moonwalking, no enemies moving) is there a way to just leave the lobby? Or fix it? Cuz whenever it happens I always just have to restart game cuz "exit expedition" button is simply gone.

Is there any other way to exit the lvl without having to restart the game

[ocean spindle]

scattergun or burst cannon for mom? [as host]
i imagine burst cannon has more like general dmg, but scattergun its a bit more spread so damages moe tumors- idk

[ocean spindle]

u can retire to the rundown too i guess, tho idk why the exit expedition button would be missing

unless ur

not host in which case thats normal think only host can like retire everyone to lobby

[fierce walrus]

As client you have 2 buttons - exit expedition and quit GTFO

and the exit expedition button sometimes disapaers during internet crashes

[minor fractal]

BC is always better for bosses as host.

[ocean spindle]

oke

[alpine fox]

i am once again asking for meta weapons list

[civic wave]

For what purpose

[sturdy glen]

Pull up spreadsheet

Read damage per refill

[timid grove]

S:prefrence

[sturdy glen]

Cope

[hardy grotto]

this is bait

at its finest

[sturdy glen]

Shhhhh

[alpine fox]

generally good/hords wipe

[civic wave]

Any gun will be fine as long as you shoot straight, generally

Best ones for wave clear, probably any hel weapon (apart from auto sentry or autopistol), machine guns good too, revolver and carbine exist, I really don't know what I'm supposed to say

[hardy grotto]

HEL GUN VALUE

[alpine fox]

ahhhhh, alright

how about your favourites @civic wave ?

[civic wave]

I just use hel revolver burst cannon for everything nowadays

[alpine fox]

how do use burst cannon btw? it looks like a pain in me ass tbh

[hardy grotto]

it’s hard gun

[civic wave]

Yeah

[hardy grotto]

takes a lot of practice

[civic wave]

There's burst dragging which I still suck at, and then pulling down to control recoil

[ocean spindle]

burst cannon when smalls, u aim and u swipe to a side to get a lot of people
to general recoil control, u can crouch as it starts to control it or swipe down on ur mouse, really really hard
usually always aim just at center mass, its not worth aiming headshots naturally

[civic wave]

The recoil is funny because it mostly carries from the first bullet, so if you pull down super hard on the first shot or crouch

I should practice burst dragging more probably, idk

[hardy grotto]

good skill to learn

[ocean spindle]

drag upwards for flyers ahre

[olive robin]

create a macro to auto detect your burst cannon fire and pull down the perfect amount to negate recoil

[civic wave]

I'm not a scrub

I'll pull down the amount I need to or suffer the consequences

[olive robin]

realer ones become a betterbot in real life and activate their aimbot

[hidden ridge]

r2e1, if you have it unlocked, has a scout right at the start

otherwise r6b2 has one in the zone at the left of spawn

and r1b1 has one for each of the two zones North of spawn

[tardy ingot]

r7b1, always has been
triple scout with checkpoint resetting

needs like 10 min of setup

but then easy grinding

[past mesa]

R6b2

If you just want to go for it

[hardy grotto]

the scout level is good for scouts i think

[hidden ridge]

I'll be sincere, I dont want to brag but I've always wondered the point of grinding it

Like, sure, to get practice 3-4 times

But it ain't like the execution is hard to grasp at once you know what to do and practiced a tiny bit

[past mesa]

Cconsole

Is the best way

[neon gust]

i dont want to brag

but theres modded

[past mesa]

Yeah

[past mesa]

Tbh most people practice scout killing not in the best way

You want to practice fucked clutch scout kills

[neon gust]

the best practice its just to literally play the game

let the dynamic gameplay hit you

feel the rush

[past mesa]

^^^

You won’t get more fucked than just going for it

[neon gust]

also like there rarely some scouts by themselves

even if you kill a single scout 100 times

you wont kill a scout 100 time with sleepers around

i fear the man who dont know how to kill a scout but chooses to kamikaze regardless- sun tzu

[minor fractal]

R7D1 has good rooms for scouts + enemies

Overload especially

[hidden ridge]

R8A4 is good for scouts too

You need to get past the ||shadow snatcher t-scan||

[past mesa]

Think you mean b4

[fierce walrus]

Ah yes R8A4

the legendary level

[hidden ridge]

No B4 had the ||Charger Tentacle Joker||

[wind wren]

thats the whole problem. the buttons are all gone except for settings and quit

i cannot leave lobby via exit expedition either (cuz button is gone)

[ashen frigate]

How do you know ?

[last hornet]

Ok so i am new to the game skill wise
(i've had this damn game since beta released)
I need a group of people that could possibly teach me the ropes of this game.
I havn't got through R1A1 but im not able to hop on tonight.
I will be able to talk though if thats possible.
any tips would just be cool too.
If you want to dm me thats chill.

[neon gust]

Since your new you shoukd hit training

[last hornet]

Kk

I thought it was only one training thing though?

Like one mission

[past mesa]

Just walk forward

[last hornet]

Oh ok

Like in the mission?

Oh I think I’m stupid he was being sarcastic wasn’t he

[past mesa]

no a lot of people take 50 mins plus on the first misson

just walk forward

[last hornet]

Oh

[past mesa]

if you dont learn to play at a semi reasonable pace

[last hornet]

Isn’t the game like super fuckin crazy with just one person?

[neon gust]

Training mission

Its like 15 min if you really take your time

Probably less

Its physically impossible for you to be in that level for 50 min

[last hornet]

Oh ok

I mean

The hacking part took me 30

[neon gust]

Hacking?

You spend 30 min trying to query and ping a key?

[topaz anvil]

Doesn't it tell you what to type

😔

[last hornet]

Yes

I didn’t read it right

And didn’t read it again

[topaz anvil]

Pretty epic

[last hornet]

I was typing

PING KEY_123

instead of

PING KEY_COLOR_123

[topaz anvil]

[last hornet]

Fr tho

I was so damn confused

[topaz anvil]

Now you are confident 😎

[last hornet]

No

Not at all

[topaz anvil]

[neon gust]

I would refund the game

If possible

[topaz anvil]

He had the game since beta right

[last hornet]

Once I get on break tomorrow ima gonna grind the fuck out of this game

[topaz anvil]

Bit late to refund lol

[last hornet]

Yeah I have had it since the beta (released)

[topaz anvil]

Just like my terraria experience except i spent too long playing

[last hornet]

One of my friends got it and I never played it after that one time

[neon gust]

Well wish you luck in your adventures in the complex

[last hornet]

Thanks

[neon gust]

We mighr even find eachother!

[last hornet]

lol

[neon gust]

Community smalls as balls

[last hornet]

I should get some sleep so I can wake up tmrw under this heavy ass blanket

30 pound wheighted blanket

[topaz anvil]

I want a weighted blanket

:(

[last hornet]

Oh they are so nice

[topaz anvil]

They are expensive

[last hornet]

Yeah

More expensive than get the fuck out

[topaz anvil]

[solemn flint]

1 question

is it possible to beat gtfo with 20 fps?

[fierce walrus]

I have stable 20-25 fps

its possible

[solemn flint]

how on earth can u play with 20 fps

i need a lesson on that

[fierce walrus]

you get used to it

and also it needs to be stable

if it jumps between 15-20 you are fucked

i have like 23 fps 90% of the time

outside of destination, on destination i get to watch a slide show of 10-15 fps

[gloomy owl]

hey I was just wondering about a bug, me and my friend we doing r7c3 when for no reason all of the naturally spawning enemies in the level did not load in and only enemies from the alarms and blood doors spawned I think it had something to do with a lag spike but idk we tries to replicate it and had no success just wondering if anybody else had this happen to them.

[solemn flint]

how on earth can u use a knife with 20 fps though

[fierce walrus]

Its actually not bad really

although its possible the ingame fps counter is lying cause i feel like im playing with 30 fps

[solemn flint]

30 fps is somewhat acceptable

[fierce walrus]

Also i noticed that playing with 20 fps cap makes it much worse for some reason

[solemn flint]

its a lot worst than u expect

basiclly the only thing i can do is shoot

sleathing is not possible

flying meatball kill is not possible

somehow 20 fps make my mouse feel dumb

cant deal with giant with 20 fps

[tepid sand]

Now you feel the pain I went through

Couldn't shoot

LOL

I still beat R7 with frames under 20

[solemn flint]

how is it possible

are u a genius or something

[tepid sand]

I just went crazy

[tardy ingot]

Bread*

im jokin dont void bug me

Void speedrunning on 10 fps was funny tho

[tepid sand]

It was terrible

So terrible

[solemn flint]

oh god

[tepid sand]

I have the screenshot of 2 FPS

On R7D2

It was so bad

[solemn flint]

void went through r7 with only 10 fps???

void diff

hm

this would be a fun expierience though

trying to not be blind and beat gtfo with 20 fps

[tardy ingot]

blind

[tardy ingot]

also i feel like ive not seen your name in a while

[solemn flint]

yep

i havent been here since the release of alt r6

[tardy ingot]

you missed some stuff

[solemn flint]

alot of stuff

apperantly we got a new r7e1 strat

is the door cheese tech and the ladder foam tech ded?

[tardy ingot]

(Dunno what you know from this)
Gtfo Got a creator programm
R7E1 brazil skip got beat (theres a video i made about it shameless plug)
And more

Door bug and cfoam ladder tech probably will never be „fixed“

[solemn flint]

i miss almost everything

but most important thing is that

we still dont have an optimize the game patch

[tardy ingot]

F

[soft crater]

[topaz anvil]

It is not a strat. It is just stupid 😎

[solemn flint]

is it fun? - yes => it is a strat
strat to make the game more fun

[soft crater]

R6D3 wake up the one room.
R7D2 open all doors.

What else is there that makes a level more "fun"

[civic wave]

It is not any more fun than regular

[olive robin]

Fun is subjective

[civic wave]

You are literally crippling yourself and writing 2 people off as doing functionally nothing for the entire reactor

If you really wanted you could still do the code 4 strat in regular runs

[tardy ingot]

its like cell skip, just more stupid and less effective

[wind wren]

Can mines get back multiplier?

[turbid horizon]

No

[wind wren]

Thx

Do mines have any drop-off? Or maybe deal less dmg when not all of the blast hits the enemies?

[floral acorn]

major drop after 10 meters, not much sideways (cylinder shaped aoe)

[hidden ridge]

Where does the cylinder starts?

[floral acorn]

1.7 meters away from mine sideways practically 0 damage

[hidden ridge]

Cause I remember seeing people get hit from behind the mines quite often

I'll be sincere I dont remember seeing it much after alt r1

but since you know

[floral acorn]

hmm not sure, there might be a pill shaped extend backwards

shouldnt be more than 1.5 meters if so

[clear patrol]

Do bioscan speed boosters effect extract scans?

[fierce walrus]

pretty sure yes

[timid grove]

nah its just the bioscanner tool whould be cool if it did thouh

[timid grove]

dose it?

[fierce walrus]

Depends what do they mean

[clear patrol]

It isnt for the tool no, it is for actual bio scans

[fierce walrus]

if they mean actual bio scan speed then yes

if they mean biotracker speed then no

[clear patrol]

Saying bio SCAN speed

[fierce walrus]

Then it should affect extract scans aswell

[timid grove]

some 1000 hour guy confirm or deny this shit

[turbid horizon]

Bioscan speed affects all bioscans

Tracker CPU Speed affects biotracker

[fierce walrus]

cries in just 500 hours

[timid grove]

cries in 200 hours

wait

[turbid horizon]

listen it’s not happy on the other side either

[timid grove]

so theres a biotracer bosster AND a bioscan booster?

[turbid horizon]

Yes

[timid grove]

the world has changed for me

hows it work for full team scans?

or big scans?

[dry pumice]

You, individually, scan it faster

[timid grove]

and if theres another person?

[dry pumice]

If i were to guess there's a bar that needs filling and you fill it slightly faster

Scan needs 500 points, everyone contributes like 10 points a second, and then there's you contributing like 15 points a second

[timid grove]

huh

cool

some of my boosters are lookin a lot better now

[dry pumice]

Scan boosters are some of the most OP boosters, beaten only by supply efficiency and infection resist

[timid grove]

i have an idea

[dry pumice]

Quicker scans = you are more likely to finish the scan before another wave of enemies spawns = you save ammo, HP, time, the whole lot

[fierce walrus]

I once run R4C3 with everyone having bioscan speed boosters, we had like 200 total it was so cool

still died to the last alarm

fucking chargers

[dry pumice]

[timid grove]

what if insted of incresing spetial ammo or main ammo it chould give a utility item at the start like glowsticks or an aggresive chould give a trip mine or somthin

for the ammo bossters

[dry pumice]

Too late for ideas now

Plus im certain there are levels that could be broken by that... Then again, boosters already do that so... Eh.

[timid grove]

so you have a booster that gives you a cfoam grenade

[fierce walrus]

You could bring 4 mines instead of mine deployer for instance

could be busted on levels that only need a couple mines and dont spawn them

id bring that for like R2E1

[dry pumice]

I wouldn't mind honestly, that doesn't sound as broken as it could be.

[timid grove]

but as an aggressive bosster that sound not to broken

[dry pumice]

Me on my way to bring booster

[fierce walrus]

would defo be less busted than provisions

[timid grove]

cus theres alredy supply efficancy

[timid grove]

^^^^^^

[dry pumice]

Neat idea, but not happening

We are too late into dev cycle

[fierce walrus]

i wonder if theres a level where that would be useful

[dry pumice]

We're lucky we get a new gun or new enemy in R8

Still 0 leaks, btw

[timid grove]

good

[fierce walrus]

actually spawning with frogs could be really useful on some levels

R4E1

[timid grove]

frogs?

fog reppelers

[fierce walrus]

frog reppelers

[timid grove]

good nam

[fierce walrus]

If you rely on ingame chat to communicate you shorten a lot of words

So there i am, typing „throw a frog!”

[timid grove]

if i had the frog gtfo prisinor emote id use it

[alpine fox]

hey guys, what are your favourite weapons as of latest patch?

[timid grove]

high cal high cal high cal high cal

[fierce walrus]

but overall - spawning with frogs on R4E1 would actually be super useful, as you can have no infection gained

[fierce walrus]

Hsmg, hel revo, arbalest, burst cannon, scatergun

[alpine fox]

but if you had to choose 2?

[ocean spindle]

well the latest patch technically only was the scattergun

so the scattergun

[turbid horizon]

No?

[fierce walrus]

hel rev + burst cannon

[fierce walrus]

rebalance?

[ocean spindle]

oh

[fierce walrus]

so many rebalances?

[ocean spindle]

i forgot that happened

[turbid horizon]

Only added sg, rebalanced a lot

Except AR sadly

[fierce walrus]

lol

[timid grove]

hel shotgun hel auto pistol pump shotgun high cal

[turbid horizon]

but hey that’s why I play Occlusion

[fierce walrus]

AR pays the price of all other full autos being usable

[turbid horizon]

It doesn’t have to

[fierce walrus]

ofc it doesnt

[turbid horizon]

Occ kind of proves that

[fierce walrus]

melees dont have to be imbalanced

and so on

and yet they are

sadly

[turbid horizon]

well ok that’s actually a little untrue

[fierce walrus]

hammer is overshadowing bat atm a shit ton

[turbid horizon]

It doesn’t have to be, but nerfing hammer is a lot different than nerfing say hel revo or burst cannon

[timid grove]

also i just discoverd machine gun plus machine pistol

[turbid horizon]

A decent amount of people use hel revo or burst cannon

[fierce walrus]

yeah, i would prefer to have all other melees buffed

[turbid horizon]

every vet uses hammer

[turbid horizon]

Sadly does nothing

[fierce walrus]

but ill be okay with hammer getting a stagger nerf

[turbid horizon]

Hammer’s too jack of all trades

[fierce walrus]

I mean

i feel like you could do it

like look at your spear in oc

its a viable pick

[turbid horizon]

Yeah sure you can do that, but it creates more issues and hammer’s still busted anyways

It’s why I haven’t nerfed hammer in Occlusion

[fierce walrus]

i mean… if you make all melees busted…

[timid grove]

what if you buffed what makes the other wepons unique

[turbid horizon]

Because it’d cause 2 big problems. 1) nerfing things in general is a feelsbad for anyone who used them, and 2) i don’t want people to get tripped up by a nerfed hammer

[fierce walrus]

but also i think hammer just needs a stagger nerf

[turbid horizon]

I tried that

It kind of worked

[timid grove]

did it work?

nice

[turbid horizon]

For spear, kind of

Knife, no

[fierce walrus]

Oc spear is in a very good spot

[turbid horizon]

Actually I pissed off a knife player by making it charge faster

lmao

[timid grove]

what if you chould move faster with knife

[fierce walrus]

dak could you have knife… have no charge?

[timid grove]

to make chains easyer

[fierce walrus]

so it always charge attacks?

[turbid horizon]

Basically yes

[timid grove]

but i feel that breaks a lot of things

[turbid horizon]

You have to charge some

But that doesn’t help it anyways

Knife’s downside will ALWAYS drag it down

[fierce walrus]

i think knife should have a reverse sleeping enemies bonus

so its better against awake

[turbid horizon]

Not being able to deal with giants is a huge dealbreaker

[timid grove]

what if the bat had more stagger

[turbid horizon]

They tried that

[fierce walrus]

I dont think that can be fixed

[turbid horizon]

Does nothing

[fierce walrus]

bat should get either - a special stagger that has unique effects, or deal more damage to staggered enemies

[turbid horizon]

Problem is, hammer already has enough stagger to match bat

Buffing bat stagger does nothing

[timid grove]

also i think the right click should do more for each melle

[fierce walrus]

I think bat having a unique stagger that like lasts longer, maybe has the enemy take more damage could be nice

[timid grove]

have a spetial stagger

[turbid horizon]

A longer stagger from bat would be interesting, however useless to vets

[fierce walrus]

Yeah hammers stagger is getting in the way of 99% of bats buffs

[turbid horizon]

The core problem is that hammer just is better lmao

Because even if bat does a special longer stagger, hammer can still do it just as well

[timid grove]

have the bat have more base damage

[turbid horizon]

Takes more skill, sure, but it’s better

[timid grove]

but less charge damage

[fierce walrus]

Maybe couple that with a damage modifier? Could make it viable for runs where you dont have a full team

[timid grove]

so you can spam away enemys

[fierce walrus]

Also i think all melees should oneshot scout to the head

[turbid horizon]

Still doesn’t address the core issue that hammer was balanced for a time before 4 different weapons

And so it does everything

[fierce walrus]

cause the lack of that really makes bat and knife worse

[turbid horizon]

Kills scouts to head, takes care of giants with stagger, cc’s groups of small enemies with kiting,

[timid grove]

increce scout headshot multiplier for meeles only

[fierce walrus]

Just give bat more damage and knife awake damage multi

should fix it

[turbid horizon]

the real fix is nerfing hammer

But it just won’t happen

[fierce walrus]

In my heart

i hope for a hammer stagger nerf

[timid grove]

i just want the right click for the meeles to be buffed

[turbid horizon]

Hammer should be well rounded, not amazingly rounded

[fierce walrus]

And buffs to other melees

[turbid horizon]

Nerfing hammer would (mostly) make that unnecessary

[past mesa]

Hammer still having more stagger than the stagger melee is disgusting

[turbid horizon]

Yeah

Lmao

[past mesa]

Other melees probs don’t need buffs hammer just over baring

[tardy ingot]

spear prob still deserves movement speed set to normal

[turbid horizon]

Or the 25 damage

[timid grove]

i feel like the right click for meeles need to do something diffrent and unique to each meele wepon

insted of a useless stagger

like a longer lunge with the spear that takes a secont to recover from

or a multi hit attak from the knife in quick succesion

somthin like that

what yall think for the bat and hammer

[ocean spindle]

i think this is not the game to have an anime like move with a melee
...
and tbh a bunch of quick attacks with the knife needs some drawback and if it doesnt stagger giants then i dont see a use for it

so its, very weird

[timid grove]

well the stagger is useless because it deals no damage and the normal meele already staggers so what do we do

[turbid horizon]

it cancels attacks very fast

[minor fractal]

That is not always true, and the shove is much faster

[turbid horizon]

Yeah

[minor fractal]

You can also shove from other weapons.

[ocean spindle]

hammer sure staggers and bat but knife and spear, not always stagger

[dry pumice]

yeah, those 2 operate on samurai rules

Either you kill it with one strike or they getcha

[tardy ingot]

„Useless“ lol

[timid grove]

please indulge me

[tardy ingot]

litteraly what ray already said is true

it also is the reason for reload cancels working well

[turbid horizon]

wait actually

[timid grove]

when the fuck have you batterd back 5 sleepers and kill them with your right click without takeing damage

[tardy ingot]

the right click stagger is a safe stagger on smalls to keep them from screaming

[tardy ingot]

?

the right click is to disrupt an attack or to keep an enemy from screaming

[timid grove]

so thats what it dose

[tardy ingot]

its super fucking useful when you are shooting and stop an attack

[timid grove]

also attaks arent really disrupted in this

[turbid horizon]

I actually never thought about the scream cancel

[tardy ingot]

???

[ocean spindle]

they r, u can prevent a lick

[turbid horizon]

?

[ocean spindle]

its a stagger

[turbid horizon]

They are tho

[ocean spindle]

thats the whole purpose

[turbid horizon]

Attack disruption is very important

[timid grove]

ive seen plenty of staggrs on sleepers befour thay attack bet they still attack during the stagger

[ocean spindle]

but they dont hit

[tardy ingot]

and also the fact that its litteraly instant while you have anything equipped

[ocean spindle]

like when u stagger a giant mid lick animation, they never hit anyone

[turbid horizon]

Ok then you’re on hella ping or you just aren’t doing it fast enough

[meager warren]

возьмете новичка в команду?

[upper ginkgo]

real

[ocean spindle]

#hc-europe message !!

:3

[timid grove]

but you need your meele equiped to right click with your meele

[ocean spindle]

or press C

[turbid horizon]

Press c

[ocean spindle]

which draws ur melee and does a shove

aka a right click

[turbid horizon]

Quick shove

Rebind to whatever you feel

I don’t use it ever because I’m dumb

[ocean spindle]

and it is the exact same movement as pressin one and right click together

[ocean spindle]

:O

smh

[turbid horizon]

But it’s good to have

And apparently a good reload cancel too

[ocean spindle]

no yeah i was kinda testin like, on a run of r2b1
if u swap weapon its a bit slowin, but with a good control of C and then a swap back to ur weapon

it feels, WAY faster

[timid grove]

this mf talkin bout realistic when you can reload anamation cancel

[turbid horizon]

that’s a different kind of realism lmao

[ocean spindle]

i mean gtfo is not realistic per se but, its not an anime game either

thats two different ways of, like style

[turbid horizon]

reload canceling is so different from something like a right click ability

[tardy ingot]

Thats actually slower

[turbid horizon]

bruh

[ocean spindle]

i worded that wrong

i mean like its the same, movement

u do the shove

[turbid horizon]

The same action sequence

[ocean spindle]

yeah that

not that is like the exact same thing on timing

[visual iris]

game was built round the hammer
suck it nerd

[minor fractal]

Nerf

[turbid horizon]

🤨

[minor fractal]

Stagger

[turbid horizon]

yeah lol

[civic wave]

literally

[minor fractal]

It's that easy.

[tardy ingot]

yup

[civic wave]

everyone says nerf stagger for a reason

[turbid horizon]

I’m still debating doing it in Occlusion

[tardy ingot]

it also makes bat unique

[civic wave]

because the bullshit stagger is what's making hammer op

[ocean spindle]

:D

[tardy ingot]

boom 3 good melee weapons

[tardy ingot]

No debate

do it

[turbid horizon]

but hearing y’all say this is making me want to more

mmmm

[ocean spindle]

just commit smh

[tardy ingot]

every one of the 4 bat enjoyers will love you

[ocean spindle]

:3

[turbid horizon]

Once I put up the HC then yeah

[ocean spindle]

i will wove u

[minor fractal]

It worked fine in R1-R5 w/out an insane stagger multi.

[turbid horizon]

What was it in Og?

[tardy ingot]

tbh you didnt have another choice ray

[minor fractal]

1x

[civic wave]

it was 4 damage but less stagger

[tardy ingot]

but yea og hammer is probably like 2nd best melee even rn

[turbid horizon]

Oh damn

[civic wave]

so you could occi tap anything

it'd still be fine at its current damage though

[turbid horizon]

So what would a good stagger multi be

Straight up 1x?

[soft crater]

OG had to full charge locks didn't it?

[visual iris]

yes

[turbid horizon]

hmm yeah maybe I’ll just do it

[minor fractal]

I think it was more like 60-70% iirc.

[turbid horizon]

It’ll be weird but balanced

[minor fractal]

Or maybe it was more like 80%

It wasn't 100%, but it was much more than rn.

[tardy ingot]

yep

cuz no environmental multi iirc

[soft crater]

[tardy ingot]

Anything below 2x if you want to stop giant stagger for babies

Anything below 1,67 for small stagger

1,5x could work well (make it stand out slightly vs no stagger multi) but have no free impact

[turbid horizon]

hmmmm

What’s the 1.67 threshold do

[sturdy glen]

stagger on strikers

[tardy ingot]

body tap stagger smalls

[turbid horizon]

ah ok

[tardy ingot]

its very good

[turbid horizon]

Might keep it above that

Or not, idk

[tardy ingot]

without it hammer takes skill

[turbid horizon]

Ah ok

[tardy ingot]

with it you often just spam click on smalls for perma stagger

[turbid horizon]

yeah ik that, I do that

K ty

Probably gonna do 1.5

Should charge hits be like, 3?

Or remain 1.5

[minor fractal]

Something you could do is 1.5x on charged.

[sturdy glen]

im ngl

[minor fractal]

1x uncharged

[sturdy glen]

I hope they dont change anything on hammer ever

while its definitely op as fuck I still see a large amount of ppl regularly fuck shit up that we consider piss easy with it

despite having a lot of experience

new ppl dont like the weapon

[past mesa]

Tbh if they need stagger on hammer I think i go to bat

[minor fractal]

Sure, but the nerfs wouldn't affect them.

[turbid horizon]

Hey google, define “skill issue”

[sturdy glen]

exactly

so we are calling it braindead yes

[turbid horizon]

Yes

[sturdy glen]

but most ppl still suck at using it

so

[turbid horizon]

Well yeah they also probably are bad with other weapons

[sturdy glen]

yet they still prefer the other weapons

[turbid horizon]

We’re talking about the highest tier players

[minor fractal]

The nerfs would just affect good players that abuse the fuck out of the weapon.

Also, 1.5x on charge returns light stagger if you have back damage.

[ocean spindle]

tbh the hammer being nerfed will change nothin on newies that dont like it except now they will maybe choose a weapon with a new nd refreshed purpose

[turbid horizon]

Unfortunately that’s usually who you have to balance around

[ocean spindle]

:3

[minor fractal]

30 stagger only needs 1.33x back damage.

[tardy ingot]

Both 1,5x

[turbid horizon]

Ok ty

[timid grove]

FUCK THE META IM SWITCHING TO BAT

[tardy ingot]

well uncharged doesnt rly mater if its below 1,67

[turbid horizon]

ok got it

[sturdy glen]

just kill stagger on bosses imo

[turbid horizon]

Also I’ll probably give spear the wacky sprint

[sturdy glen]

thats the only thing im hella not ok with

meleeing mom funny af but god its stupid

even meleeing tank with scatter has usage

[turbid horizon]

Yeah Gerz taught me how to do that on my D2 reactor wave

And I was just thinking “this is not ok”

[timid grove]

if scatter was hel how much damage whould it do to a tank

[sturdy glen]

the exact same

[turbid horizon]

This

[timid grove]

how?

[ocean spindle]

WOW THE BASEDNESS

[turbid horizon]

Hel doesn’t work on tumors

[sturdy glen]

hel doesnt work on bosses the way you are thinking

[timid grove]

f

[sturdy glen]

(though you can pierce a boss and hit stuff behind it)

[turbid horizon]

For that exact reason

It doesn’t work on tumors

[minor fractal]

HEL on Scatter, which it originally was planned to have, would just give it insane wave clear.

For no reason.

[turbid horizon]

i mean tbh it could’ve been intended to pierce at one point but thank god that it doesnt

[timid grove]

but theres already my beloved hel shotgun

[turbid horizon]

There wasn’t

[minor fractal]

And HEL Shotty is a little bit OP

[turbid horizon]

At the time

[sturdy glen]

just a tad

[turbid horizon]

A bit yeah

[sturdy glen]

😃

[turbid horizon]

A smidgen

[ocean spindle]

a lil

[timid grove]

just a widdle bit

[minor fractal]

owo?

[ocean spindle]

uwu

[timid grove]

no i was just following the bit

what have i done

[civic wave]

A wee bit over

[timid grove]

also im starting to beleve that the machine pistol dose smgs job but better

[minor fractal]

Other way around tbh.

[turbid horizon]

yeah lol

[sturdy glen]

machine pistol poster boy of good on paper shit in practice

[timid grove]

it has a faster reload

[turbid horizon]

Auto sentry lol

[timid grove]

it has more stun i think

[turbid horizon]

In a game like GTFO

[minor fractal]

It does not have one-tap HS stagger, last I checked, lmao.

[timid grove]

and i feel like it dosent lose ammo as fast

[minor fractal]

SMG does.

[turbid horizon]

You literally said it yourself, damage > stun

Unfortunately

Also we have autopiss for that

[ocean spindle]

smg is just a bit more rangey and controllable, but machinep shoots at the speed of light and kills really fast

tho with more recoil

[timid grove]

but then again i like the hel auto

[ocean spindle]

oh

[minor fractal]

It'd be nice if it killed fast...

But it does not.

[ocean spindle]

it kills, kinda fast

[turbid horizon]

The sentry?

[timid grove]

the gun

[ocean spindle]

the machinep

[turbid horizon]

ok good

[ocean spindle]

i mean i like it its fun but i accept is not, good kmsdkm

or well that is niche

[timid grove]

it holds them all back while your frends killl them

its not about the damage

[turbid horizon]

Yeah after auto sentry got nerfed this patch, I’ve been sad

rip auto sentry my beloved

[timid grove]

its about the ability to hold an entire wave of enemys at bay

i niknamed the hel autopistol as the stapler

[turbid horizon]

Sp why not just kill them

With SMG or hel revo

[timid grove]

just staple them to the floor

because hel auto go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[turbid horizon]

Waste of time and ammo imo, but if it works it works

[past mesa]

Why not take hel shotgun that holds entire wave back and kills?

[turbid horizon]

True

[timid grove]

ammo efficancy at holding them back

[turbid horizon]

what

[past mesa]

Hate to say this man

[turbid horizon]

wait a minute

Don’t tell me

[timid grove]

and the range

[turbid horizon]

do you just hold down the trigger

[timid grove]

NO

its bursts every time they unstaagger

[turbid horizon]

ok because it’s more efficient than Hel piss

[timid grove]

to stunn them again

[hidden ridge]

I just try to take shit I find fun to play with for most maps tbh

[turbid horizon]

Yeah lol

[hidden ridge]

If I dont think the map allows that then I adapt and take what's meta

[turbid horizon]

As long as the gun isn’t shit and feels good

i’m happy

[timid grove]

also hel rifle is nice with hel auto

[hidden ridge]

Otherwise Auto pp, MP, SMG, DTR, whatnot, who cares

[turbid horizon]

It’s why I want AR buffs

[past mesa]

I am gonna cry smg is best side arm

[turbid horizon]

I honestly cannot play vanilla AR anymore

Ever since I buffed Occ AR

[hidden ridge]

Take it this way

Gun X doing what gun Y does but better

doesn't imply that gun Y is shit or unusable

[turbid horizon]

For a while PR and Bullpup just felt shitty to use

My point is that NOW some guns are still better than them, but they feel better to use

[past mesa]

no it doesn’t most guns are useable but it does imply that gun Y is not broken

[timid grove]

you didint like the lazer beam or the headshot crackshot?

[past mesa]

But we get gamers popping off on bullpup because of shared kill indicators

[turbid horizon]

not when bullpup had a LOTR extended edition length reload on a main weapon, no thank you

And when PR had 8 mag and like 3 second reload

[hidden ridge]

If your objective is "every weapon needs to be good at the same way and at the same level" I'd say that's a bit utopistical

[turbid horizon]

Does it still have 8 mag?

[hidden ridge]

nerf X and some other gun will be THE SHIT everyone tells everyone to pick

[timid grove]

12

[turbid horizon]

Burst cannon moment

Oh damn I gotta update occy PR

I think it still has 10

[hidden ridge]

I feel like it's kinda fine now. Sure I ain't going to take auto pp or MP in particularly pernicious maps but whatever

[turbid horizon]

from when I buffed it but was too scared to go all the way to 12

Yeah, it doesn’t feel like any gun is bad anymore

[timid grove]

also the thermal makes it have mor range than the sniper rifle in bad lighting

[turbid horizon]

Just worse

[past mesa]

That isn’t the objective I just wish guns had a reason to exist. There is quite a few close range autos all of which don’t do much. I would rather they just simplify the weapon pool

[turbid horizon]

Yeah this was what I was gonna do in occlusion before the R6 rebalance

[past mesa]

R6 rebalance is okay but tbh there is still just to many close autos

[timid grove]

percican rifle = SNIPER MONKEY

[upper ginkgo]

persian rifle

[turbid horizon]

yeah MP and SMG and AR all are too close

[past mesa]

Heavy smg as well

[turbid horizon]

I love Ray’s AR rebalanxe

[past mesa]

Don’t forget them

[timid grove]

prcicianicin riflalile?

[turbid horizon]

So good man

[past mesa]

And pdw

[sturdy glen]

even lump bp in there tbh

[turbid horizon]

Pdw is a lil different

[past mesa]

It has a thermal

[timid grove]

pershananigram raflle?

perchance robust?

perhanigan romainaia

habsintance a stronk

[upper ginkgo]

can we just remove all the weapons we have and just keep the ones from r1

[past mesa]

Based

[timid grove]

no

[turbid horizon]

my burst rifle….

[timid grove]

because that whould take my 2nt ammendment rights

[past mesa]

Because they are Swedish

[turbid horizon]

LMAO

[timid grove]

freebird starts playing as i bord a flight to sweeden

[devout bane]

anybody got any tips on practicing against a Tank

[turbid horizon]

R4E1

good practice

[devout bane]

thanks ill practice there just the only mini-boss/boss enemy that always gets me

[timid grove]

what gun is the best for tumors?

cuz im thinkin its pump shotgun

[minor fractal]

Sniper, BC, and Scatter

[timid grove]

the giant killers?

ok

[olive robin]

scatter gun is apparently best if you arent host

[timid grove]

and if you are?

[tardy ingot]

Sniper not vs mom tho

its actually not even top 10 for mom

[tardy ingot]

Burst cannon

[timid grove]

i was right to choose burst cannon as my go to giantkiller then

[olive robin]

burst cannon is the #1 gun if you can use it well

[timid grove]

1 spetial bosster and a bita recoil control

gets the job done

[sturdy glen]

its bottom 1 lol

for specials at least

[timid grove]

and why whould it be good for tumors if the health is distributed amoung tumors

you kill 1 tumor while scatter dammages a lot of them and burst can get 5

[tardy ingot]

?

[timid grove]

i say have it stick to giants and hybrids

[civic wave]

probably not understanding how tumours work

[timid grove]

nope

not a clue

[minor fractal]

Scatter does full damage to one tumor on client

[timid grove]

im thinkin kill all tumors kill miniboss

[civic wave]

this was ages ago but I'd contest that you can run anything to any map, it's mainly a matter of playing well rather than the level allowing or disallowing certain picks

[sturdy glen]

yet you speak with such confidence

a true gtfo player

[civic wave]

poor guy

enemy dies when they lose enough hp, not when their tumours are all gone

[timid grove]

but dont the tumors cap how much a sigle one can take?

like if

[minor fractal]

They do on host, but not on client.

[civic wave]

welcome to gtfo!

[minor fractal]

On client, it's capped at their max health, and pellet weapons also do their damage in separate packets rather than as one large packet.

[timid grove]

a tumor has 100 hp till it bursts whouldent it only be able to deal 100 damage to the boss and waist the extra damage from the one big shot

[minor fractal]

On host, not on client.

[timid grove]

so in conclushion

[minor fractal]

The tumor also isn't doing the damage, the weapons are.

[timid grove]

dont be host?

[minor fractal]

50/50

For bosses, don't be host.

[ember mulch]

For scouts

Host 😇

[sturdy glen]

wha

[civic wave]

tbh just give me client with a consistent connection and reasonable ping every day

I will be happy enough

[sturdy glen]

client is fine till you get a taste of host

host is disgusting sometimes

[minor fractal]

Host shotgun goes hard

[timid grove]

witch shotgun

[minor fractal]

pump

[timid grove]

and what situation

[civic wave]

I guess host shotgun lets you get the mandatory 2 kills per shot a lot easier...

[minor fractal]

Host shotgun will pen on excess damage to limbs.

Client shotgun, broken limbs eat your pellets

[timid grove]

how do you get 2 kills at once with pump

[civic wave]

burst cannon has another similar thing kinda

[minor fractal]

You hit two enemies instead of one.

[timid grove]

full health?

[minor fractal]

Yes.

[timid grove]

dam ok

[minor fractal]

Even if you don't kill, though, you do good damage.

You just follow up w/ something else.

[timid grove]

another pump

[minor fractal]

Waste of ammo

You one-shot anyway

[timid grove]

hel autopistol

[minor fractal]

No reason to spend a full shell if you're not under pressure

Shit damage, play PDW or HSMG or SMG or HEL Revo

[timid grove]

regular pistol

[minor fractal]

Sure.

Any follow-up w/ Main is good.

[civic wave]

pistol sucks unless you kill 7 strikers/mag by abusing breakpoints and damage dropoff.

(please don't take that seriously)

[timid grove]

but the hel auto isint

[minor fractal]

Other Mains do damage.

[past mesa]

Must get at least 3 kills with shotgun a shot for it to be mandatory

[minor fractal]

HEL Auto is ehh

[tardy ingot]

Hel auto for finish touches is rly not worth it generally

its a stagger gun

[timid grove]

but thell be low enough for even that

and since there staggerd they cant attack you

[tardy ingot]

But then you are running hel pp

[sturdy glen]

do you realize just how little damage hel auto does

[timid grove]

good team support

[upper ginkgo]

stop trying to convince the poor man that hel auto is unoptimal

[tardy ingot]

Take hel shotgun

lol

[civic wave]

1v1 me r4e1 solo speedrun, let's settle this once and for all

must do reactor

[timid grove]

oh i love that thing dont get me wrong

feels like useing a flamethrower

[tardy ingot]

No booster scroll

[timid grove]

but hel auto feeles the same but more like a napalm flamethrower

[tardy ingot]

Like a water gun

[timid grove]

its a stream inted of a cone

and still no need to aim

i feel like hel autopistol dose its job perfectly

[tardy ingot]

it staggers

[civic wave]

maybe you can pick any other gun, stagger a horde of enemies with it and deal actual damage, but yeah sure it does what it's supposed to do

[tardy ingot]

its a niche

but rly not a good one

hel shotty

Staggers

and can destroy waves

[timid grove]

dose it do it efficiently

[tardy ingot]

staggering isnt rly efficient

unless you stop another wave spawn with it

[timid grove]

and do you take damage in that fight?

cuz i dont

[tardy ingot]

do you take dmg if stuff is dead

[timid grove]

thay cant hit me

[tardy ingot]

Darksideninja999 with the hitless run on any level

[timid grove]

there stapled to the floor

[civic wave]

if I hit my shots, nothing licks me

I have not been hitting my hel revo shots recently but it'd be easy with something like carbine

[timid grove]

also its funny to stagger burst bully a sleeper to death

[timid grove]

META ENJOYER

[tardy ingot]

oh noes

[timid grove]

We GOT A META ENJOYER

[hard condor]

hey all

[tardy ingot]

he can do the same on a ton of weapons

[civic wave]

how dare I use the highest skill ceiling gun because I've been working on improvement

despicable, really

[tardy ingot]

na pachi

you a toxic elitist

brazil skip completer

[timid grove]

^^^^^

[tardy ingot]

[sturdy glen]

why do ppl act like meta enjoyer is a bad thing

[tardy ingot]

idk

[sturdy glen]

only bad thing about meta ever is ppl who blindly follow it

[civic wave]

oh so now I'm toxic? what about you telling me that my solo runs were delegitamised because I didn't booster scroll?

[hard condor]

i had no idea about any meta when i first played, as in zero outer game knowledge, but my first custom loadout was meta shit 💀

[timid grove]

idk but i ride that hype

[hard condor]

so i've got a pretty specific question

[timid grove]

YES

[civic wave]

ask away, we can stop the shitposting for now

[hard condor]

how do you guys go about calling out the sleepers you scan?

[sturdy glen]

call out scary shit

[hard condor]

like i have no idea how to structure my callouts to not be confusing

[sturdy glen]

goes for stealth and awake

[timid grove]

shoot the dots under the triangles boys!

[sturdy glen]

or unexpected large amounts of enemies

[turbid horizon]

[civic wave]

"there's a lot here", or like "2 in front, 1 on the left"

[hard condor]

there's a lot here 😭

[civic wave]

just go for it, say whatever and it should work

[turbid horizon]

Wave ahead

[civic wave]

"oh that's a lot of enemies"

[hard condor]

"we might be screwed"

[civic wave]

you don't need to say anything special, just enough to give them an idea

"that room is packed"

[timid grove]

also the numbers on your compas are good for direction

[turbid horizon]

“We are fucked”

Etc

[civic wave]

for anyone wondering eva didn't actually say this, it was in a dream

[hard condor]

i try to be overly specific so my idiot friends don't startle any ones they didn't know were there

[timid grove]

an i also dreaming i have an essay due today

[civic wave]

funnily enough I have work to finish today on a presentation

[timid grove]

please tell me i am

[turbid horizon]

Solo runs delegitamised because no logs

[civic wave]

no keymap? no problem

i win those anyways

[dry pumice]

"There's someone right behind this door."
"There's a tight cluster somewhere over there."
"Someone right ahead"

[hard condor]

love that

[timid grove]

has r 7 e1 been soloed? (im in r 4 no spoilers)

[turbid horizon]

All levels have

[hard condor]

i just don't want to be the one getting blamed for stuff

[timid grove]

without glitches?

[devout bane]

i think T-nenpi did one

[turbid horizon]

Nah

Not without glitcher

[civic wave]

oh don't worry, if they fuck up it's not because you didn't' call out well enough

it's because they rushed

[sturdy glen]

r4e1 secondary and r7e1 both needed cheese of some sort

[civic wave]

and yeah it's only been done with enemy capping

[hard condor]

because when they rush headfirst into a room like they're playing cod zombies, suddenly i'm to blame because i can see where the guys are ahead of time

[turbid horizon]

Altho tbf it’s hard to even do a normal run of R7E1 without glitches lmao

[fierce walrus]

people have done R4E1 main glitchless?

[civic wave]

I love afking for 30 minutes to get meatballs to be funny

[hard condor]

yeah exactly that lol

[civic wave]

yeah r4e1 main just needs long kiting

[turbid horizon]

The shocker stalkers

[sturdy glen]

yea

[fierce walrus]

id assume ||tank and pmom room|| would be an issue

[sturdy glen]

usual lots of kiting like pachi said

[timid grove]

i found the problem you need new frends who understand basic stelth mecanics

[civic wave]

which is boring, at that point you might as well door bug imo

saves you time, similar enough result

[sturdy glen]

long kite yet again lol

[fierce walrus]

I guess so

[hard condor]

the price makes the game so hard to convince people to get

[timid grove]

yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh

[hard condor]

i have 1 very competent person, so we are just trying to convince our other friends with a brain to get it

[turbid horizon]

this is why RXGC needs to be a demo

[hard condor]

because there is SO much content that it justifies the price

[timid grove]

but then again our lord gaben with his steam sales

[fierce walrus]

Yeah it would be nice demo level

[dry pumice]

Im honestly surprised there isnt a demo version

[timid grove]

whats rxgc

[fierce walrus]

Gamescom level

[turbid horizon]

The gamescom demo level

[devout bane]

like i'd say maybe first few levels of R1 should be demo and 1 hard level

[turbid horizon]

15 minute timegated levels

Nah

R1 is boring as fuck

[fierce walrus]

RXGC is kinda that

[turbid horizon]

Don’t use it as a demo

[fierce walrus]

Also yeah

[timid grove]

cept maybe r1c1

[fierce walrus]

R1 isnt the best way to get people to like the game

[turbid horizon]

RXGC you could pick either A, C, or E tier difficulty

[fierce walrus]

Yeah it would be perfect

[turbid horizon]

Nah that’s honestly my least favorite

[devout bane]

thats is also true

its kinda hard to determine a demo for a game like GTFO compared to other games