gtfo-related-questions

[civic wave]

Because that gives bat more of a reason to be used as well

[craggy pier]

i disagree because the hammer is a heavy damage dealer and it needs the charge time to match

[dry pumice]

I know that's what people are saying, but it makes no fucking sense

[craggy pier]

kick it up with a leg

[civic wave]

And prevents the bad habit of rapid spamming left click to try and stunlock any enemy under the sun

[dry pumice]

Also how little are we talking

No stunlock on quickies?

every 2nd strike, like spear? ... Or is it every 3rd, i don't remember...

[civic wave]

Ye, along those lines/old hammer stagger

[craggy pier]

im ok with the hammer having less stagger as well since that's not its job

[dry pumice]

I just feel like its wrong advertisiment

[craggy pier]

but i don't think it matters all that much

[dry pumice]

its a fucking Sledgehammer

[craggy pier]

and that too

[dry pumice]

you're not staying on your feet after getting hit by that

[craggy pier]

atrek understands

[dry pumice]

Meanwhile it being cumbersome and hard to carry, swing, sprint, charge etc makes absolutely perfect sense

You get a heavy weapon - you get the relevant downsides

[icy cave]

hahaha bonk

[craggy pier]

i wish bruv

you know what maybe even

give spear the bat's stamina consumption

and keep the sledge as heavy stamina

[dry pumice]

I'm honestly not ready to talk about stamina

I don't care for it as a mechanic

In a sense that i never had issues with it by using my melee, and if i end up in that situation - usually there's something more going on that demands i pull out the gun soon

The only time it ever comes up for me as something i notice is sprinting and having to rush across the entire map to extraction point with an error on your tail. At which point - fair game. I'm not pulling out my melee in that situation.

[icy cave]

I'm not pulling out either

[native sun]

My current best ideas for making spear viable:

• Light attack damage: 2.0 -> 2.5
• Charged stamina cost: 5% -> 0%
• Max damage charge time: 1.7 -> 1.5

Light attack damage buff addresses a lot of big breakpoints that spear currently lacks, including: one tap on shooter occi, full-charge + light tap on strikers and light-tap stagger on strikers.

Stamina cost massively improves the viability of the weapon in 'loud' situations, as currently you can barely do one or two charged hits before your stamina is too high for you to be able to reposition and have enough space to buy another full charge. Meanwhile hammer repositions while charging for free.

Charge time reduction similarly improves the feel in 'loud', as you would need even less space to be able to buy a charge, additionally, it would finally give it a meaningful advantage over hammer - it would be able to kill stuff faster as long as you hit headshots. Currently hammer and spear time-to-kill when hitting head is negligibly different.

[craggy pier]

what is charged stamina cost

[native sun]

How much stamina you use when you perform a fully charged attack

If you cancel the attack you consume no stamina

[craggy pier]

i like this

so wait when you say "charged stamina cost 0%" does that mean that charged attacks consume no stamina

[native sun]

Yes, same as knife.

[dry pumice]

I see 0 problems there either. Still would throw in my x1.6 max prec dmg too, just to be sure, but i honestly don't actually need it that much.

[craggy pier]

odd choice, when even the bat has charged stamina consumption

[dry pumice]

Game dev be hard. Sometimes you forget how other things work, or you forget to add the mechanic retroactively.

[native sun]

You literally cannot run while charging it, why should it use stamina to charge it, you are forced to be slow, there is already a major concession whenever you charge it.

[dry pumice]

Write it to Calle, he'll forward it.

[craggy pier]

i mean

you can

it was changed

[native sun]

I am acutely aware. I am acutely aware that it is 29% faster than walking while everything else is 71% faster. That is not running, that is an excellent way to burn a bunch of stamina for extremely little compensation.

[dry pumice]

Staminapilled

[lusty bramble]

It's used for sprint alerting scouts ☝️🤓

[native sun]

Literally this is the biggest use case for it, that and actually being able to 'evade/dodge' with it now

[lusty bramble]

I don't think you understand how much the devs will die on the hill of teamplay

They will never allow a base one shot occi because of how it deincentivizes it

[dry pumice]

Yeah, that's fine. The x1.6 is not even gonna allow that

That's 84 or 36 HP left.
One hammer backstab or one spear backstab followed by a quick tap.

It will create an amazing team work element between spear and hammer where they can compliment each other. Spear initiates with an occi, hammer finishes the job.

[lusty bramble]

Am I having a brain andyourism

Isn't it 17.5 x 1.5 x 1.6 x 3

[civic wave]

17.5 * 1.5 for 26.25 precision full charge, 26.25 * 3 for giant occi

I don't know where the 1.6 came from

[lusty bramble]

You're missing the p multi

It has a p multi of 1.5, artek recommended 1.6

[civic wave]

oh, changing prec multi

[lusty bramble]

Ya

That's occi one tap

[civic wave]

how

[lusty bramble]

Or charged tap

[dry pumice]

No?

[civic wave]

you've confused me now

[lusty bramble]

Base * weapon multi * p multi * enemy multi

• back multi

Bulletpoints ...

No wait

[civic wave]

17.5 * 1.6 would give 28 damage on a full charge, multiply by 3 for occi damage and it's 84

[lusty bramble]

It's just 3

[dry pumice]

17,5 base
x1.6 weapon prec
x1.5 normal giant prec
x2 flank

That should be 84

[lusty bramble]

I forgot p multi includes the regular multi

Definitely andyourism

[civic wave]

get well soon beep, wishing you a speedy recovery

[dry pumice]

Your flank damage is x3 for some reason

That's the error

[neon gust]

Hot Hot

sex

even

[lusty bramble]

Ya

Nvm if black dragon agrees with it it's a bad idea

[lone mortar]

Tbh

[dry pumice]

People are allowed to be right

[neon gust]

Im right a lot of the time

[lone mortar]

The light tap dmg should be alil more multipleiered

[lone mortar]

Youre based

But idk if your BD kind of based

[lusty bramble]

"The bullpup" 🥰😂😂😂😂😂 "the bullpup is" 😂😂😂🤣🤣 "the bullpup is fine" 🫵😂😂😂

[neon gust]

also gold and sharke best loud map in payday 3

[lone mortar]

[lusty bramble]

I agree with that

[neon gust]

I got two weapon changes in this game

[lusty bramble]

Big bank is a good map

[neon gust]

The diamond

[lusty bramble]

🥹

[neon gust]

I did my challenges without farming today

[lusty bramble]

Olga would you show mr Steele the prisoner transport plan for a..

[neon gust]

pretty rad to be a good player

[lusty bramble]

Ethan klien

[craggy pier]

I'm saying that it will still be the best melee

[neon gust]

Hammer needs to be the best

its the iconic melee of this game

wish they had the same approach for smg 😢

[lusty bramble]

Revert it to r5 🤓

Then you have what everyone wants
Hammer balanced
Spear big killer
Bat stagger
Knife

[craggy pier]

"knife"

[lusty bramble]

I mean the only people who can complain about the knife are no mics

And I'd like to see them try

[neon gust]

🗣️ 🗣️ 🔊 🔊 Knife

[craggy pier]

Someone make bri'ish simulator already

[lone mortar]

There is

You havent found it yet

[craggy pier]

Oh?

[lusty bramble]

I don't understand what black dragon is saying half the time so this does not bother me

[craggy pier]

He cool

[lusty bramble]

wrong!

[lone mortar]

He is cool

[craggy pier]

He hot

[rain valley]

does anyone know the differences in time to kill between the smg and heavy smg?

for strikers

body shots

[mossy aurora]

they both take too long

[rain valley]

if they are close enough then ill keep using basic smg, it has been doing well for me

[mossy aurora]

stop using the basic smg

[rain valley]

uses it more

[mossy aurora]

😔

[rain valley]

i like full auto, and it has a big mag and fast reload

[mossy aurora]

smg is probably the worst primary

[rain valley]

AR is pretty bad

DMR is really bad if u cant aim

[icy cave]

No one was talking bout those

Carbine, hel revolver, Hel shotgun

there ya go

[rain valley]

either way "pretty bad" in this game doesnt mean much, all weapons are valid

[fierce walrus]

Heavy smg isnt super terrible

its basically old PDW but without thermal

[mossy aurora]

all weapons are valid if you have the experience to play around weapons' weaknesses

but you said you just beat r1, you should at least know that you are handicapping yourself by using the basic smg

[rain valley]

lol

[fierce walrus]

i honestly dunno how good SMG is after the buff

[ocean spindle]

smg is nice

[rain valley]

it got buffed?

[fierce walrus]

yes

alt R6 made a giant rebalance of full autos

[rain valley]

i mean, looking at its stats, it seems legit

[ocean spindle]

also wdym is not like the first levels of r2 demand hel revo burst cannon or if not u die ksmdkm

id understand more if they said idk spear but on guns even assault rifle on r2e1 is, fine enough

[rain valley]

i mean, i did r2b2 with AR and MG

[ocean spindle]

nom nom yeah i can see that combo bein nice for r2b2

[icy cave]

sorry that says nothing.

[mossy aurora]

you are missing the point

[ocean spindle]

as long as u dont, wake up stuff

[rain valley]

true

[ocean spindle]

smg is not bottom of the barrel, if it is then kinda every automatic is

[mossy aurora]

both of those statements are correct

[ocean spindle]

damn ok

[fierce walrus]

Realisically if you havent tried other weapons the worse weapons wont seem that bad, and the actually good weapons might seem bad for them

[ocean spindle]

i am goin to gen chat to express how cold i am again

[mossy aurora]

compared to the semi auto mains the full autos are noticeably weaker

[rain valley]

i prefer fully auto weapons, so i guess ima only pick from the bottom

[vague bridge]

automatics are actually not that bad

[fierce walrus]

Yeah full auto arent garbage

[mossy aurora]

ok knife user

🙉 🙈

[icy cave]

You are free to do so obv

[verbal zinc]

No you’re not

[rain valley]

i like knives

[vague bridge]

this is discriminatory

[rain valley]

i also like hammer, but i use knife more

[icy cave]

Welcome to GTFO

[ocean spindle]

holy shit is flameutensil

[verbal zinc]

Play hel revolver and burst canon or stop playing the game

[icy cave]

you just like to handicap yourself. which is a choice

[rain valley]

id rather die a chad than live cringe

[verbal zinc]

Ksdmdsmk

[ocean spindle]

:3

[verbal zinc]

😘

[mossy aurora]

maybe the buffed smg is OP now

it was actually kind of OP before actually

https://www.twitch.tv/deadlythegamerttv/clip/CuriousTrustworthyAppleChefFrank-0IdKDYvKSMkqIHgC?featured=false&filter=clips&range=all&sort=time

[verbal zinc]

That’s an ancient gold nugget

[mossy aurora]

i pulled it from the ancient archives

[rain valley]

alright, i got a new question, what is the best full auto main?

[sturdy glen]

hel shotgun

[rain valley]

hel shotgun is full auto? O.o

[dry pumice]

Auto shotgun wins in almost every "best main" category, it's just that stupid.

Yeah, it is. It's basically AA12

Ignoring that one of course... Hmmm.

[past mesa]

This is such a cap out to the question

I love it

[sturdy glen]

theyve been asking these sorts of questions for days

im not giving a serious answer at this point

[past mesa]

Have they

Oof

[dry pumice]

But ignoring the insane maniac that is HELshot...

[past mesa]

Na sarr will become the next sheet nerd

[sturdy glen]

I think they already are

[dry pumice]

I think it's actually a close call between Bullpup, (H)SMG and PDW.

[craggy pier]

yes just hold lmb

[rain valley]

thx azert XD

[craggy pier]

happy to help

[verbal zinc]

Heavy smg has the highest damage per refill and is therefore the best weapon in the game

[dry pumice]

Bullpup for long range combat and headshot damage.
(H)SMGs for close range hipfire.
PDW for thermals - counters dark environments and an entire enemy type.

[craggy pier]

hel pp has most ammo therefore best weapon

[lone mortar]

Stfu

[craggy pier]

they should allow hell pp to have a burst 5-10 bullet mode

[lone mortar]

Carbine

[mossy aurora]

chokemod scattergun also has the highest dps out of any special in the game so heavy smg and scattergun is the best OP loadout

[rain valley]

i am so tempted to main HSMG tbf, i do like it

[craggy pier]

praaap

[lone mortar]

Per mag right?

[mossy aurora]

highest dps

[lone mortar]

Scatter gun POV:

[sturdy glen]

doesnt scattergun technically just have more

cuz even 1 shot is more than the mag of choke mod

joke doesnt even work anymore

[lone mortar]

128.4 per perfect shot

[rain valley]

as far as i know, scatter is the big guy killing shotgun

[mossy aurora]

FIXED

[sturdy glen]

so based

[lone mortar]

To a technicality

Choke still better on medium range

I mean they have the same damn time of reload

With the scatter gun having a better reload cancel

[verbal zinc]

Practical use, personal preference and having fun does not matter. Learn the spreadsheet or you’re playing the game wrong.

[lone mortar]

So true

Everyones got a sweet touch on certain tools/weapons

Its only optional when you have to bring something else to the table

[rain valley]

i disagree 100% :D

[mossy aurora]

you're just wrong. QoL mods are also not QoL, they are mandatory

[rain valley]

i play vanilla

[sturdy glen]

double jump is a qol mod

[verbal zinc]

That triggers me

[lone mortar]

WHAT?

How

Just how?

[rain valley]

sorry not sorry, preference, fun, and non-practicality sounds good to me

[lone mortar]

This also triggers me

Weird

[rain valley]

i like to have fun with my video games tho D:

[lone mortar]

Just kidding

[mossy aurora]

it might be ok for vanilla levels, but without the spreadsheet, you will NEVER beat difficult maps like SAMDOWN and LEGACY with guns like the assault rifle and machine gun

[lone mortar]

Samdown

[craggy pier]

no u must sweat and nerdge 🖕

[mossy aurora]

[lone mortar]

Samdown is my worst nightmare

I actually need a good team to do it

[rain valley]

nuuuuu, i wanna play vidi gaaaaamessss

[lone mortar]

No boosters

[sturdy glen]

always tell your team to bring boosters, tell your bio to ping constantly, slow stealth every single room, micromanage turret placement

[lone mortar]

[sturdy glen]

keep these commandments close to you in your pubbing.

[verbal zinc]

Bearing 105

[sturdy glen]

you will go far soldier 🫡

[craggy pier]

stop having fun this is a hardcore serious sweating cool gaming chair moment

[lone mortar]

Sarr will go far

[rain valley]

tell that to the deaf guy i played with that alerted every room we enter, i supported him with knife play and a mine at the enterance

[lone mortar]

I know it

[rain valley]

damn, called out

[mossy aurora]

the most important thing to keep having fun in this game is whenever something goes wrong, you must find a way to blame your team

[lone mortar]

[rain valley]

i will keep having fun, thank you

[sturdy glen]

RyK knows the commandments well

[lone mortar]

Hes true tho

Id blame you focks for a wipe

[craggy pier]

fine

[verbal zinc]

That makes me very very angry 😡

[rain valley]

plus ur cool, so i dont want beef :D

[mossy aurora]

when you come up with a plan for your team, if it doesnt work its because your teammates were too pub to do it, not because the strat was bad

[craggy pier]

imma go debate politics you no fun

[dry pumice]

They're overloading on sarcasm mate

[rain valley]

we should do a mission sometime, no cap

[lone mortar]

Now you say that artek?

[rain valley]

lol warp

[restive wraith]

hi everyone

[craggy pier]

hi

[rain valley]

howdy

[restive wraith]

i have a question for the most venerable veterans of the complex

[rain valley]

i am new, let me help :D

[lone mortar]

Omg

[rain valley]

lemme check my playtime,,,

[restive wraith]

has anyone experienced losing progress on rundowns?

[rain valley]

yep

[lone mortar]

Maybe

[rain valley]

i had that lastnight

r6bx failed, but we will rise again!

[civic wave]

yeah, it's been documented before

[restive wraith]

is there anything I could do about it, or do I just have to re-complete everything?

[civic wave]

sometimes if you play when the servers are being funky it doesn't track progress

[restive wraith]

oh

[civic wave]

I don't know if there's anything in particular you can do, I know in the past for this stuff D0cR3d has done a thing or two

but I can't exactly remember whether it was finding a solution or just trying to pinpoint the problem

[rain valley]

lets see, depending on the mission, tools can make a big difference, mine placement, turret placement, door management, etc.

stealth can save a lot of ammo

between all of those, its make or break on a mission

[mossy aurora]

what mission and when 🙂

[rain valley]

i work today so it would be like in 11 hours

[restive wraith]

thanks for the help my man

[mossy aurora]

That will give me time to warm up in aim labs

[rain valley]

aim labs?

[verbal zinc]

You don’t warm up 11 hours before you shoot zombie vampires running at you in a straight line?

[civic wave]

actually they're aliens from a space asteroid, get it right buddy...

[verbal zinc]

Zombie vampires

[civic wave]

no, aliens from space

[past mesa]

Yeah they are zombie vampires how do explain vampire alarm hive nearby

[verbal zinc]

You get it

[past mesa]

Have you found an invincible sleeper yet

there are a few in the 1300

[verbal zinc]

😂

Not yet

[past mesa]

It is so good because it is impossible to tell until you have been trying to kill it for 30 minutes

[verbal zinc]

We are still exploring

[past mesa]

Good on you one day I will get gtfr to work with this mod

[civic wave]

WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL A ZOMBIE ALIEN VAMPIRE WITHOUT A WOODEN STAKE

like cmon

[past mesa]

And we will have solved gtfos content issues

[civic wave]

obviously you need a stake to kill a vampire

[verbal zinc]

Gtfo will only grow from there

[lyric heart]

Hey how long are expeditions for the alt rundowns

[lone mortar]

1hour

Avg

[verbal zinc]

[lone mortar]

Say whatchu want

I do R4B2 in 37

[lyric heart]

Okay

[mossy aurora]

depends which rundown

r4 and r5 have longer maps than r1,2,3

[lone mortar]

Still

Towards newies

Only R1-3A1

On B tiers its longer to wrap around

[mossy aurora]

oh he only asked how long A1 maps were in r1-3? i must have misread

[lyric heart]

I mean just in general

[lone mortar]

Alts

So its 1-6

[lyric heart]

I stopped playing after like alt R1, thinking of coming back

[jaunty latch]

further down you go the longer they get normally but it varies wildly

[lone mortar]

Its not long

Its how you play the game

[jaunty latch]

other then r5 which is just absurdly long all the way down for some reason

[lyric heart]

Bold of you to assume I’ll make it pass B1

[lone mortar]

Eh

Youll go far

Just have an attractive voice

And dumbass gameplay

Youll get ppl to carry you all the way

[lyric heart]

(I have crippling mic anxiety)

Though I did get to like

Half of R7 and alt 1 done

Which is likely further then most players

[lone mortar]

Dunno bout that

While you were on at the time

Ppl likeRyk

Has already grinding E1

Compared to you

[lyric heart]

Who

[lone mortar]

Ill drop a fat “regular pub”

[rain valley]

damn, i cant join 😭

[mossy aurora]

wat?

[lone mortar]

Oh nothing

When chimp lore Ryk

[mossy aurora]

careful or someone will message modmail...

[lone mortar]

Man stfu

I want chimp lore

Grandmaster Ryk

Teach me the way

[rain valley]

return to monkey :o

@lone mortar wait, is RYK hot shit or they a rando?

[lone mortar]

To me

Ryk is love

Ryk is life

[civic wave]

Ryk is cool dude

[lone mortar]

Chimp lore is based

[lone mortar]

Likewise pachi is too

[craggy pier]

played with ryk for -2mins best time of my life

[rain valley]

ah, ive been shit talkin a real shit, damn

[lone mortar]

Tho ive never played with pachi

Need to step up my lfg huntin skills

[civic wave]

Eh I'd say I'm not that cool

[lone mortar]

To play with everyone in the whole server

[lone mortar]

Now

[civic wave]

Or very dudelike but that's besides the point

[lone mortar]

[lone mortar]

You have the sexiest voice

On stream

[civic wave]

I sound terrible on other peoples streams most the time through some combination of compression or their audio settings

[lone mortar]

Sounds to me you got the case of the “im the worst”

Ill be free same time tomorrow

If your down for some cage drops

[civic wave]

Nah

[rain valley]

im off tomorrow

[civic wave]

University and I have stuff to be doing

[lone mortar]

Ill make you eat those words and barf out fuckin high ego shits

Just you wait mf

[civic wave]

I really do not care, I'm not that interested in playing the game

[rare tiger]

what is cell skip

[lone mortar]

R5E1 stratt

When you open up error and class III alarm

Skip the whole disinfectant station zone

And slay 2 moms a few giants+ charger scoutx1 charger zone+1 tank

And plug in cell for class IV S mixed

[mossy aurora]

did we scare you away...

we were not good enough compared to the bots

[lone mortar]

Lol

[rare tiger]

Thanks

[lone mortar]

Very hard to do

[verbal zinc]

You use a cell for a generator that is supposed to be powered up with a cell that you skip.

[mossy aurora]

i thought its when you jump over the cell....

[lone mortar]

If you dont know a few work arounds for it

[verbal zinc]

Or you jump over the cell

[civic wave]

Wait you need a cell for that door? shit

[mossy aurora]

[lone mortar]

I almost thought you had to do the skidipopop yes yes with the toilet thingy

[lone mortar]

Hence why the strat is called cell skip

[craggy pier]

ayo 😭

yall cool man

[gray mountain]

Question, through my whole computer, but as soon as I go into a single person lobby. All my audio is gone, and when I close it, its all back immediately. How do fix this?

I host a lobby, it lags real bad, and then gone no audio.

[minor fractal]

You probably have low memory or some other hardware issue.

[dry pumice]

Specs would be a great start.

[craggy pier]

i showed u my specs pls respond

[left gust]

me and my friends are almost done with r2, should we do r6 or r7 next

[civic wave]

R3, I'd say

[tardy ingot]

definetly R3

[dry pumice]

Why not R3? It's a natural progression.
But if you have to choose - R6, because R7 continues the "story" of that one.

[ashen frigate]

R3 is quite short as well

3 A-tier, 2 B-tier, one C and one D tier expeditions

[icy cave]

R3

[minor fractal]

R6 and R7 are good starting points, doing just the first few levels, but if you've already done R1 and R2 there's not much reason to skip.

Maybe once you get to R4 and R5 if you find that content doesn't appeal to your squad.

[rain valley]

have you disabled ingame vc?

[vague bridge]

do most people not play for the story?

[verbal zinc]

i play for the beautiful people i meet along the way

[sturdy glen]

theres like

2 ppl who play for the story

[past mesa]

I think the story is really compelling Allen time travel emails with alternate universes hasn’t be done before . Who would ever think of this

[lone mortar]

Same

[lone mortar]

Bruh

[unborn bison]

So, Ive been checking this game out periodically, is there anything like a primer or beginners guide for ne players? I want to have atleast a modicum of undertsanding before diving into the game

[past mesa]

Raw chicken nuggies guide for beginners and intermediate players are the best general guide content

[past mesa]

Scalers level guide for r1 is the probability the best level guide content atm there isn’t much tbh

[past mesa]

They won’t make the most sense unless you have seen any amount of gameplay

[unborn bison]

Ya, Ill pry tune in to some streams tommorow while I work

[cerulean fjord]

is hammer better than spear or is it the other way around?

[civic wave]

Hammer is stronger

[icy cave]

Hammer no contest

[zealous light]

Is the hammer considered supreme because of the run & charge?

[icy cave]

Run & Charge, OP stagger, kills a striker on full charge no matter where

[zealous light]

Well I'll be damned

I've played prolly 90% spear since starting at og r6, and while hammer feels pretty handy to bonk around with i struggle with crawlers like a lot

Could it be that i have been hunting headbonks at 3/4 charge all this time

[icy cave]

You've been handicapped voor 90% of the game. congrats !!! 🥳

[zealous light]

Yay

[icy cave]

Headbonks should work from 60% onwards iirc

Full charge is anywhere on the body

[zealous light]

I gotta try this out soon

Well theoretically if i get my bonking game right everything should feel like a breeze from there on right 😂

[icy cave]

Yep. 4 hammer players just zoom through the maps when they experienced

[quick pebble]

But spear feels cooler

[zealous light]

Spear is awesome in my books

[icy cave]

that's ok. you just playing at 50% potential that's all. It can still work

[quick pebble]

Is it really that much worse

[icy cave]

It's not that it's just the melee balance of the game is ridiculous. Hammer is way too OP

So they nerf hammer or they need to buff all the others

[quick pebble]

As long as it one shots a sleeper does it matter?

[icy cave]

But they won't cause lets be real: they never balanced the sentries either

[icy cave]

That's the point, Spear only does on the head (and back?). Hammer anywhere, combine that with full sprint on Hammer and you are sooo much more mobile and lethal

And Hammer has good stugger which means you can bum rush giants just as easily. This makes levels quicker as you almost never stop

[jaunty latch]

or use bat

[icy cave]

Inferior hammer*

[jaunty latch]

I unironically cannot use hammer but do fine with bat

[steep dune]

any tips for r2e1? finally finished d2 after multiple failed attempts due to stupid mistakes and the surge alarms are kicking my ass

[jaunty latch]

make sure whoever is on biotracker is good enough with it to ping everything

or hand it to a bot

[steep dune]

yeah we had to yell at our bio tracker the first 2 failed runs lmao

[icy cave]

that's just getting used to. bat being a worse hammer is facts

[jaunty latch]

stamina usage sucks on it tho

wait wrong reply lol

[native sun]

Best advice would be to not yell at your fellow players.

That aside, there's two big things for the surges in R2E1:

First is just preparation, sentries watching the entrances to the zone are a great first step, mining any doors also helps you buy time. C-foam is also good for buying time (either on doors or ladders), though it can be a bit of a trap as it can make the ending of the level much more inconsistent (runs can be determined by whether you can save certain doors to C-foam). I don't recommend trying to move the sentries around with you - player time is much better spent shooting than interacting with a sentry - and definitely don't waste C-foam on the ground.

Second is knowing when to just play safe and stay alive. If the white line indicating where the scan is going is moving slowly then that means the scan will deploy far away and you have a lot of time before the next scan. In situations like these you should focus on repositioning with your team to a safe area, rather than mindlessly following the white line to your deaths. As long as you have stamina, you can pretty much just run straight past enemies, so repositioning to a corner while the scan deploys and then just leaving the enemies behind as you run past them to the scan is very powerful.

[jaunty latch]

*note if your latency is bad you cannot run past enemys anymore

[native sun]

You can - source: Australian player (enough said)

[zealous light]

I know the auto sentry might be a hot topic to some, but it worked really well for us on the surges with me carrying it with me during the surge and planting it down at the scans

[lone mortar]

oof

thats a big nono right there

[jaunty latch]

I still think its a coin flip on if it works or not

as host you can do it no issue though

[native sun]

It makes it a lot stricter, but it is still entirely consistent. You need better stamina management and need to run cleaner lines, but it is still perfectly doable.

[steep dune]

should have added better context to this, our bio tracker is our friend and when i said yell i meant tell him to use it lol. not abusing randoms in game haha

but yeah, hes usually on it, tonight was our off night when it came to playing well lmao. i wasnt any better, i walked into a shadow twice not paying attention so def not only his fault

[native sun]

Ah. Glad to hear!! Messing around with friends is always fine.

[steep dune]

yeah, i dont think ive had the pleasure of doing any rundowns with lfg here yet but when im better at the game i will perhaps check it out

[native sun]

If you're attempting R2E1s then I'd certainly say you'd be good enough by now

[steep dune]

that could be true, maybe if i have a day without friends getting on ill check it out

any suggestions for finding a group?

[craggy pier]

Lfgs

[narrow niche]

lmao

[lone mortar]

why are u like this

[narrow niche]

?

:C

mean

[narrow niche]

:C

what did i do

[lone mortar]

nevermind

[hidden ridge]

It's not like "latency bad" only goes as bad as you want it to go

I've had cases where I opened a door 3 seconds after I pushed the button

cases where it's 5

and cases where it's a coinflip if it opens or not

So, yeah

latency CAN get bad enough for it to be unplayable

[narrow niche]

???????????????????????

you cant just/

i

ok

[tardy ingot]

@hidden ridge that is most often just desync

[hidden ridge]

more like lost packets

[lone mortar]

run today?

[tardy ingot]

i mean lost packets usually would indicate it not opening

potentially yea

[lone mortar]

aight

[tardy ingot]

gonna have to head to the gym first tho and get food

[lone mortar]

ill be on early

[tardy ingot]

Have to wash myself clean from that r4c2 yesterday

[lone mortar]

dependin when you on

[tardy ingot]

like 2 1/2 hours lol

[lone mortar]

ill be onbut still need u to ping me lol

[tardy ingot]

will see about that

[lone mortar]

lol

[tardy ingot]

easiest way to notice would be to be on my discord

since i ping from there

[soft crater]

[tardy ingot]

i was thinking of doing some stoopid challenge runs today if i can find some people

That or joining pubs

[soft crater]

Do a Eva moment

[lone mortar]

hopefully

[tardy ingot]

whats an eva moment

[narrow niche]

only bio team :D

[tardy ingot]

huh

[tardy ingot]

meh

[lone mortar]

we wont do a eva moment like that nightmarish R1B1 video

[tardy ingot]

[lone mortar]

7 months ago

[soft crater]

[steep dune]

do you guys ever stream runs? i watched a few yt vids and id be curious about your strategy even on failed runs

[latent obsidian]

I upload all my successful runs to YT :>

First clears anyway

[tardy ingot]

No ellda

you always succeed

theres no failed runs

[latent obsidian]

Thats true, I upload all my runs to youtube

[tardy ingot]

theres a few people on here that stream

This obviously includes fails
I dont think many peopme upload full failed runs unless it was overall just a funny experience

[lone mortar]

i sometimes do

mostly here its eva

Gerz also streams but lot less

eva is the pillar of GTFO on twtich

other Vtuber tryna take that thunder

[steep dune]

eva is actually the one who i originally saw speedrunning vids for

[lone mortar]

[steep dune]

so hey big fan lmao

[narrow niche]

big fan whats your twitch :D

[tardy ingot]

to put out some names who stream aside from mine

NomadKevin
Gerz/Beth
Bread
Nymnesis
MakoCho
Voidspace (tho i think he does only youtube streams)

Theres others for sure but these are the ones that come to me immediatly

[tardy ingot]

pff

[tardy ingot]

Thanks

Always appreciated

[native sun]

We miss the nuggies streams :(

[tardy ingot]

@steep dune but yea the list of names up there are some who stream decently regularly (or put out videos on youtube)

Also yes tru we miss nuggies

Nuggies and ari streaming era was the good times

[lone mortar]

i think

were all eva's fan

[steep dune]

awesome, ill have to hop on twitch for once and try to catch some streams then!

[lone mortar]

how bout today?

[steep dune]

if im up lmao, its like 7am here and ive been up all night

[latent obsidian]

I'd love to stream but my internet is potato tier

[tardy ingot]

Btw @native sun
You are a qt

[lone mortar]

damn

[tardy ingot]

💀

[lone mortar]

im jealous

[abstract kestrel]

Can I ask questions here about r2e1 ?

[tardy ingot]

sure

[lone mortar]

shoot away

[soft crater]

I don't think Mako ever got word back about the creator program

[lone mortar]

@soft crater u on today?

[soft crater]

Work :/

[lone mortar]

again?

[soft crater]

Yes I gotta drive the forklift again

[lone mortar]

well

atleast ur forklift certified

[tardy ingot]

For that time zone

id definetly recommend checking out Nymnesis, MakoCho and NomadKevin

I personally start around the time in 2 hours so thats a rip

[tardy ingot]

Neither did i
I asked again today for an update

[soft crater]

All I recall was Calle saying they'd discuss some exceptions

But that was over a week ago

[civic mist]

They surely knew a lot about their dedicated streamer playerbase when then put the threshhold at 25 average viewers

[latent obsidian]

I can't see them having many people on their program if the conditions are so lofty

[steep dune]

realistically i should just have a better sleep schedule and it wouldnt be an issue, but my plan is to (hopefully) reset my schedule today

[soft crater]

Flandanchou supposedly is in it as well but didn't get the role in server

[abstract kestrel]

So I've wiped with a bunch of other newbies 3-4 times on the first surge alarm. Then I had a run with a veteran and a 2k+hour player and we got to within a stone throw of extraction. Best attempt I've made at it, full teamwork, no real mistakes but enemies woke 2 scouts ahead of us. Then had another few attempts with full newbies teams Wich wiped around an hour in on mistakes.

[lone mortar]

i really dont care bout all this creator program stuff

[tardy ingot]

1. theres a few that reach that number
2. they said there will probably be exceptions
3. having 500 people at 5 viewers apply would be wack

[lone mortar]

if you want GTFO to grow bigger

you know what to do

[abstract kestrel]

Any advice for r2e1

[lone mortar]

"GTFO will only grow from here"

[civic mist]

Just be on the lookout on twitch to see the recurrent active streamers in GTFO

[lone mortar]

[native sun]

Are you getting overwhelmed by enemies on the scans? People going down between scans?

[civic mist]

It aint that hard to know some ppl that would fit the creator program well

[tardy ingot]

I find it interesting

But its not like i ever expected to be a part of it. A no as an answer > not asking tho

[lone mortar]

im sayin

if youre in it

Great

for you

but if not

it doesnt affect anything

and i feel like the rewards for creator program levels is a scam lol

[tardy ingot]

lea for preside… eh i mean lea for content creator!

[abstract kestrel]

We usually lose 2 people on the scans, and the other 2 hustle to save the run. Then we wipe further on in. Both new guys quit, we get 2 other new guys and it's the same scenario

[tardy ingot]

its a reward

Not a sponsored stream

[lone mortar]

its joever

[soft crater]

the only thing would really mean they intend for more content. But if there isn't. This content program is so late.

[lone mortar]

VERY late

[soft crater]

Eva they ever say anything about streaming modded?

[lone mortar]

should had been there when OG R3

[civic mist]

but thats exactly what i mean. i dont want more big streamers doing a one-off 2 hour sponsored stream

[soft crater]

Something mako got curious about last night

[civic mist]

i wanna see people that actually enjoy the game and put time into it to be in this creator program

[tardy ingot]

Yea

[civic mist]

and the reality is that a lot of em wont be able to hit the conditions to apply

[tardy ingot]

someone like bricky whos at least invensted is a big difference from a random 1 time stream

[lone mortar]

same

[native sun]

If people are dying on the scans then you might be 1. just not shooting well enough (idk shoot better i guess) or 2. pathing in such a way that enemies will surround you

[civic mist]

but lurking the discord and twitch for a while you will easily find these people

[lone mortar]

i wait for oneday that Markiplier returns to GTFO

[steep dune]

out of curiosity where did you all hear about gtfo the first time?

[lone mortar]

mostly Mark

but then the trailer

and OST

[narrow niche]

a friend threatened me into playing it :D

[latent obsidian]

Gifted it to someone and bought it myself for their bday as it was on their wishlist and looked cool

[tardy ingot]

Steam page while searching for smth new

Then found trailer and markplier videos

[abstract kestrel]

I have already started to resort to cheeky tactics, I just wanna clear and move on. The 1h stealth b4 the hard part is frustrating

[soft crater]

I saw it back in 2020 January and picked it up

[lone mortar]

a player after my own heart

[soft crater]

I don't have as many hours as those who joined back then though

[lone mortar]

[tardy ingot]

Could always check out later rundowns until you improve a bit more

[lone mortar]

25$ for 1k8 hours

best investment of my life

[soft crater]

14.99$ for 1.7k

[lone mortar]

[narrow niche]

gaddam

thats a lot of hours

[soft crater]

Then again others who are still here buying it in my time are probably well above 2k

[soft crater]

Me waiting for Berserker to cooldown in DRG

[lone mortar]

@native sun is a qt

out of all modders

tru is the most GTFO modder

[native sun]

The stealth should never take an hour, make sure you're all running hammers so you can actually deal with the big guys. Then you should just scope out each room quickly (thermal makes this super fast), if there's multiple shadow giants that aren't very isolated, you should just shoot them, and then let bio ping the smalls and clean the smalls up with melee.

You waste a lot more ammo by having people go down while trying for bad stealth kills, and then 1-2 players needing to shoot entire rooms to clutch, than if you just plan to use some ammo to take the bite out of the room immediately.

[narrow niche]

y no run spear for pain, unga bunga pointy stick?

[native sun]

Because then you can't clear up the small shadows

Have fun poking the head you can't see

vs swing hammer in general direction

[steep dune]

coming back to the earlier question i asked, i think i started in r3 in 2020 but i only have 85 hours as i just found a group of friends who are interested in actually playing

[narrow niche]

exactly

more pain

more better

[soft crater]

looks at Dakstar getting confused for the other Dakk

[narrow niche]

:D

run knife

:D

[lone mortar]

You can do a 360

And still hit

With hammer

[soft crater]

360 no scope Arid 5

[lone mortar]

No

Koning

[narrow niche]

is this what bots do when you give them the hcp

[soft crater]

Mastaba r99

[soft crater]

Probably with better bots

[steep dune]

PvP mode when 💀

[narrow niche]

aint no way

[tardy ingot]

just join my lobbies

[latent obsidian]

Eva moment

[steep dune]

last 10% of most extractions is a PvP enabled zone for my runs

[narrow niche]

:D

[steep dune]

we lost a r1 run to it once, quite a time

[narrow niche]

lmaoooo

ive lost

a reactor run to ff

[steep dune]

i dont think we've ever lost a full run to ff directly but the resulting resource strain later definitely

(disregarding that r1 run, but it was a whole event anyways)

[narrow niche]

i think it was r2d2

we were act extraction

and they shot someone with an hcp

so

yea

and then i proceeded to burst cannon them

:D

[tardy ingot]

Kiting enabled

[steep dune]

hcp is so fun, i think it might be my fav secondary

[soft crater]

HCP is fun but Revo/Combat shotgun exist.

[steep dune]

r2d2 extract was lowkey disappointing after how hard we had it with the actual waves ngl i was expecting a torrent of enemies

we lost a r2d2 run getting to extract, so we all had the idea the extraction was super hard but we just ran into the rest of the reactor wave

[tardy ingot]

happens

[tardy ingot]

eh

[soft crater]

Just my preference

Not actual efficacy

[steep dune]

i do have a new found enjoyment for hel rifle

[narrow niche]

sawed off scatter

:D

[steep dune]

nuts loadout

[narrow niche]

hel shotgun combat shotgun :D

[steep dune]

sniper sentry to cover the long range

[tardy ingot]

Sawed off is actually pretty damn good rn

[tardy ingot]

Legit loadout

[soft crater]

I'm just burnt out on when I used to religiously use stuff like hel revo/helrifle

[narrow niche]

fair

[soft crater]

Even carbine

[narrow niche]

carbin

[tardy ingot]

Join the sawed off fandom @soft crater

[narrow niche]

mp mg :D

[steep dune]

i was a dmr enjoyer so carbine and hel revolver feel so new

[narrow niche]

dmr sniper :D

well

i guess it kinda works

[steep dune]

that was my loadout back in like 2020 lmao

[soft crater]

I'm lowkey onto heavy smg that it's just a better AR imo

[narrow niche]

lmaoooo

[narrow niche]

isnt ar just mid rn

[soft crater]

But sawed off is always in my heart

[steep dune]

we were so afraid of scouts back then lol

[narrow niche]

scotus

oh yea i had someone try to combat shotgun a scotus

what an experience

[soft crater]

With many other mains getting buffed. AR is low mid imo

[tardy ingot]

AR is probably the worst main

[steep dune]

wheres that vid of someone killing the scout from like 20 meters away with the scattergun

that had me rolling

[narrow niche]

scattergun stronk

scattergun the kraken

scattergun flyers

scattergun big flyers

[soft crater]

I really wish it wasn't. But it is.

[narrow niche]

scattergun only gun you need

[soft crater]

Iirc. Dak changed his AR to have 40 round mags in occlusion. Idk if he touched the bullet cost though

[tardy ingot]

hm

[soft crater]

He was asking me about bullet cost stuff last night so ye

[narrow niche]

is burst rifle any good

or is just a lame carbine

[soft crater]

Not as fast as carbine

But a lot more range

[narrow niche]

ah

[soft crater]

Less recoil as well

[narrow niche]

well

[tardy ingot]

its weaker than carbine

but good

[narrow niche]

it already has barely any recoil

the carbine

[tardy ingot]

I have burst rifle 5th rn

[narrow niche]

whats first?

carbine?

[tardy ingot]

Carbine
But its basically a tie between it and hel revo (then hel shotty 3rd)

[narrow niche]

hel rev is nice

i just cant aim

:D

[steep dune]

quick question, what exactly are the extended missions for rundowns? are they only in r6?

[tardy ingot]

r4/5/6

[dry pumice]

Basically they used to be a free DLC

[tardy ingot]

it was just extension to the old rundowns back then

[narrow niche]

they arent marked for alt rundowns

cause they arent extensions anymore i guess

[tardy ingot]

are part of the story and gameplay as everything else

[dry pumice]

It's complicated, but there's nothing special about them otherwise.

[soft crater]

Nvm I'm trippin

[narrow niche]

wait it does/

[dry pumice]

What

[narrow niche]

im got that short term memory

[soft crater]

Thinking r6. (Woke up awhile ago.)

[narrow niche]

ah

lmao

[soft crater]

I'm also half getting ready for work atm)

[soft kiln]

extension is for ~~them to delays 3 more months between releases ~~ extra contents for that rundown back when it releases

[dry pumice]

You don't say (I say as I ride the subway)

[narrow niche]

:D

[soft kiln]

:^)

[soft crater]

R8 timeframe be like

[narrow niche]

how long has it been

like

[soft crater]

A year? Give or take.

[narrow niche]

a year and a half?

its june right

[tardy ingot]

1 1/2 roughly

[narrow niche]

wait

yea

[steep dune]

oh that brings another question, is r8 confirmed last rundown? i saw online speculation both ways

[soft crater]

Last promised rundown

[narrow niche]

theyre working on other stuff

[tardy ingot]

This

[narrow niche]

so yea

[soft kiln]

they may return if the heist game is not as successful as they thought

hell

they don't even know the answer to this question now

[narrow niche]

hm

[tardy ingot]

They keeping the option open

[steep dune]

ah so potential for more, but only 1 more guaranteed

[tardy ingot]

which is logical

[hidden ridge]

Why would they?

[soft kiln]

it all depends on their next game

[steep dune]

thats better than nothing i suppose

[narrow niche]

?

ah

[soft crater]

Cyberheist

[tardy ingot]

Also gotta consider that they have a ton of content already

[narrow niche]

its like what

77

levels?

[tardy ingot]

71

80+ with r8

[narrow niche]

i can count

its ok

[tardy ingot]

just the current missions amount to at least 50-60 hours even if you are hard carried and first try everything

[soft crater]

Imean as far as we know. There's 2 weapon sights unusable/infiles iirc

(In terms of guns at least)

[narrow niche]

moar gun

:D

[soft crater]

Idk any other details what R8 might have

[narrow niche]

i like gun

very gun

[steep dune]

oh yeah im definitely not complaining about lack of content, in the 85 hours ive logged so far the only full rundown ive done is r1. (stuck on e1 for both r2 and r7 lmao)

[narrow niche]

r1d1 is a "very hard" c level

[soft crater]

Eh

[hidden ridge]

You can very probably finish r3, eh

[fierce walrus]

you got to R7E1 in 80 hours?

thats impressive

even if main only

[soft crater]

[steep dune]

main only

[narrow niche]

wait but

[steep dune]

but yeah i didnt realize that was impressive lol

[tardy ingot]

i remember how getting to og r4e1 was

[narrow niche]

none of the story levels have things other than main

no?

[fierce walrus]

lol

[narrow niche]

am i forgetting something

[tardy ingot]

overload

[fierce walrus]

E tier needs all levels

[hidden ridge]

r7d1 has overload

[fierce walrus]

and R7D1 has overload

[narrow niche]

oh

[hidden ridge]

and no extreme

[narrow niche]

huh

[steep dune]

ive done all levels in r7 and r2 besides the e levels if thats what you meant, just mains in r7 tho

[hidden ridge]

OG R4-5 also needed 1 pe clear IIRC

back when sectors meant something

[soft kiln]

1 pe 3 overload and 7 extreme I think

[narrow niche]

do pe :D

[steep dune]

also that made my ego a bit bigger lmao

[neon gust]

good old days, sadly they didnt have the manpower to do the cosmetics

[soft crater]

Unlocking further levels in alt r4-r5 just way easier now

[steep dune]

our plan was to go back and check out all the side missions after finishing our e1 grinds lmao

[narrow niche]

ah

[soft crater]

Sadly that's pretty disappointing for how simple it should be.

[steep dune]

our biggest problem is our 4th is 6 hours behind us (and has a fiance) so he cant play as often as the rest of us want =

[tardy ingot]

Would recommend the other way around

[narrow niche]

yea

[tardy ingot]

R7E1 is harder than optionals

[narrow niche]

pablo fun :D

[tardy ingot]

Brazil skip

[soft crater]

6 hours

[tardy ingot]

permanent pablo

[narrow niche]

:D

fun

i have no idea how many hours i have

probably 100

[steep dune]

side objectives on r7 specifically?

[narrow niche]

eh

[steep dune]

r7c3's side obj seemed pretty rough at a first glance

[narrow niche]

dew it

i did it

you def can

[tardy ingot]

R7C3 is the 2nd hardest unless r7d1 bugs out

[narrow niche]

im dogwater

[tardy ingot]

But yes for r7

[narrow niche]

r7d1 bug

i got it

and it didnt give extract

:C

[steep dune]

gotcha, maybe ill rope my group into doing some sides

[tardy ingot]

You are thinking of smth else

You mean perma scream scout right?

[steep dune]

other than completion sake is there any bonus to doing side objectives?

[narrow niche]

yea

wait

is that a diff

[tardy ingot]

That breaks the game

[narrow niche]

ugh

ah

[dry pumice]

Nope. Zero.

[narrow niche]

as usual

game broken

[tardy ingot]

i mean overload can spawn 4 instead of 1 of the enemy it should spawn per wave

[fierce walrus]

there is also funky ||snatchers||

[tardy ingot]

More fun

[neon gust]

fun an leveling up your skills

[dry pumice]

Bragging rights and a number on main menu screen.

[narrow niche]

:D

fun

[dry pumice]

Very important

[neon gust]

bragging rights???

lmao imagine

[steep dune]

to be fair im a completionist so i want to do it anyways

[dry pumice]

Same

[tardy ingot]

R7D1 still has like 3 insane bugs

It had 6+ before in early release lol

[steep dune]

it makes me sad when i see the achievements are still in testing cause i love 100% games

[tardy ingot]

its that level that is cursed

[soft kiln]

"R7D1 has no optimization problem"

[dry pumice]

Just look at this game as an experimental project

[tardy ingot]

Hopefully we get them soon

id love achievements

[narrow niche]

does it just not give extract if its scout bugged?

[neon gust]

we are still in EA

you just dont know it

[dry pumice]

Eternal testing alpha and you are the tester... That pays .

[tardy ingot]

Didnt they actively say that gardens have slight issues?

Or am i confusing that with scaler

[hidden ridge]

Personally, I dont and will not consider the overlook of being able to start Overload last before the fixed it as a bug 😄

[tardy ingot]

Its not one i considered lol

[steep dune]

i love achievement grinding so im looking forward to it

[narrow niche]

ive seen released games with worse problems

[hidden ridge]

I only wanted to talk about that

because it was so fun

[steep dune]

very fair

[hidden ridge]

that they hecking didnt think about that

[steep dune]

i havent seen any major issues besides host desync but i dont consider that a game problem

[soft kiln]

I remember doc said something like that back then if I remember correctly

[steep dune]

i also have a fraction of the playtime of most people

[tardy ingot]

ARK 😄

[narrow niche]

giant phasing through wall :D

[hidden ridge]

big level with lots going on

[narrow niche]

least fucked game

[tardy ingot]

400 GB

More bugs than features

[steep dune]

the bugs are a feature wdym

[narrow niche]

the bugs are the feature

:D

[tardy ingot]

3 optimization patches and still sucks ass

i got 600 hours in ark btw lol

[steep dune]

ark may just be the most poorly optimised game ive ever had the pleasure of enjoying

[lone tusk]

tree make pc boom

[soft kiln]

we were the bug hunter all along

we don't even need to apply to be one

[narrow niche]

also if i give my bots scatter sniper burst they wont kill me right?

[dry pumice]

They 100% will

[soft crater]

Where's muh bug hunter benefits

[narrow niche]

nahhh

[neon gust]

do it

[lone tusk]

...

[narrow niche]

i think itl be fine

[neon gust]

you wont

[narrow niche]

:D

ok

sure

who wants to join me

[steep dune]

is bot friendly fire really that bad?

[lone tusk]

they totally wont shoot you

[narrow niche]

ill also be playing at 20 fps :D

[steep dune]

i havent noticed

[soft crater]

Yes.

[lone tusk]

yea

[narrow niche]

they will beam you with anything

[hidden ridge]

No I just get stabbed with .50 cals

[narrow niche]

:D

[steep dune]

interesting, i seem to be in the minority with that then. i have more issues with them trying to melee chargers all the time