gtfo-related-questions

[vague bridge]

is there a known issue with r7c1 and crashing while dropping

[craggy pier]

that'd be great

love me my buffs

[vague bridge]

it just happened for the third time in a row

[dry pumice]

First time i hear of it

But i haven't played it in a long time

[craggy pier]

did konig used to have 2 rounds in mag

or is that a mod thing

[hardy grotto]

sniper used to be 2 in mag yes

[craggy pier]

i saw this and began salivating when i saw the scope https://youtu.be/pATPXF3zbW0

then i noticed the 2 rounds in mag

i guess that's a mod

it looks way too clean to be an actual sight

[mossy aurora]

triangle scope

🤢

[craggy pier]

clean lines 😍

[sturdy glen]

current sniper and hel rifle scopes both slap for snipers

[craggy pier]

agree

but damn that one looks sick

[rain valley]

I've been getting used to the sights on the arbalist, feels nice looking thru them now that I have more experience with the weapon

[minor fractal]

That's original R4.

[craggy pier]

why did they change iiittttttt noooo

[minor fractal]

Yeah, R6 Sniper scope is a little eh

Quick scoping especially is so slow now.

It doesn't matter if you aim w/ hip-fire, but if you want to use the scope to adjust you have to wait.

[neon gust]

Og r4 sniper was underrated

[raw jackal]

when do I snipe a scout with minimal aggro?

outside the room but wake up the sleepers near the door or clean up the room and then snipe it?

[past mesa]

If you shoot through doors you have an alert range of -20 for every door your shoot through

Starting at 50

[raw jackal]

ah so a chance they don't even hear the shot

what does HEL abbreviate?

it's one feature is armor piercing

oh Hybrid Electric Light-Gas Gun

[finite oracle]

on rundown one which mission has the first encounter with scouts?

[craggy pier]

R1A1

[dry pumice]

Fairly certain A1 has one or even two

[craggy pier]

1-2 yes

[finite oracle]

ok

[lone mortar]

Wdym

Its always 2

[craggy pier]

im getting old and i dont remember nomore

[lone mortar]

Bitch im older than u

[craggy pier]

48, beat that

[rain valley]

:o

[lone mortar]

Fuck he won

Im 28

[craggy pier]

20 more style points than you

[lone mortar]

You mean 20 points in crafting that coffin

[rain valley]

im 29 :v

[craggy pier]

😆 🔫

[craggy pier]

who this young fella

[rain valley]

older than warp

[lone mortar]

Yea who this

[rain valley]

hold on, lemme get my cane, helps with yellin at youngins

[craggy pier]

do you even have kids

[latent obsidian]

Damn, GTFO community do be kinda mature

[lone mortar]

Real

[icy cave]

Ofc I 'm here

[lone mortar]

Oh yeah stfu brit

Come down town and ill shank u bruv

[craggy pier]

you finished tutorial some weeks ago relax

[icy cave]

2 months ago!

[lone mortar]

Well said

[rain valley]

my girl cant have kids anymore, medical issues...

[lone mortar]

Skill issue

[craggy pier]

rip

[lone mortar]

Better Dickpower wins

[rain valley]

no skill required, cancer scare

[icy cave]

Not everyone is french

[rain valley]

are you saying the french are dicks?

[lone mortar]

“I have 10 million dickpower”

Other ppl: HOW?!

[icy cave]

No I am saying they have the best dickpower

Unbiased opinion

[craggy pier]

well they are

[lone mortar]

Me:use code “ilovedicks69420” to get 100x summons

[latent obsidian]

You've done the first hand research, I assume?

[icy cave]

your opinion doesn't matter in this, you can't look at this objectively

[lone mortar]

Stfu old man

When was the last time u got laid

[icy cave]

The reviews about me say enough

[lone mortar]

(Lol)

[craggy pier]

130 years
cant look at this objectively

[icy cave]

That's such an L, with the goats he can tap whenever he wants

[craggy pier]

been a while now that i think about it

[lone mortar]

You were supposed to roast back not agree

[craggy pier]

life is tough sometimes

[lone mortar]

True

[craggy pier]

specially when u sound like uncooked macaroni when u walk

[icy cave]

Details

[lone mortar]

Not when i use the code “ihavebigpp123” to get 100 summons

[icy cave]

Also legal disclaimer: It's Azert, he knows

[lone mortar]

@civic onyx when will gtfo be on phone

[craggy pier]

we'll have the 2nd n 3rd round dont u worry

[lone mortar]

I want to play gtfo on ios/google plays

And pay 250 bucks for apperals and levels unlocked

[icy cave]

What's a couple burnt cars to us 🥹

[lone mortar]

Ouuuch

[craggy pier]

its the thought that counts

🖕

[icy cave]

😂😂😂

[lone mortar]

Coming from DJ that shit scorched

Man dont call azert overcooked that shit burnt to ashes

Holy

[icy cave]

Imma come visit the old territories. show my daughter the old empire

[lone mortar]

Dominant life form

[craggy pier]

you wont make it past the shore this time

[icy cave]

I still filter right now. Encounter me drunk tho .....

[lone mortar]

Who said he be swimming

[icy cave]

😂 man you gon be serving me drinks on the terrace

[craggy pier]

still got blood in me for old times sake

piracy

[craggy pier]

over my dead body

[icy cave]

Strangely specific but ok

[icy cave]

dw tho, I'll buy you a beer if you make it to civilization.

forget and forgive they say

[craggy pier]

never and never

[icy cave]

Love it

[craggy pier]

no forgiveness until all your race is deleted

[icy cave]

Well in that case .... Beer then 1v1

[craggy pier]

ill maul you with your luxurious life style

[lone mortar]

thirsty mofo

[icy cave]

I'll be waiting

[lone mortar]

we know u aint got water but shit

[craggy pier]

turd water>

[icy cave]

Disclaimer for Azert: it's me, I know. no bannerino please

[craggy pier]

i did get a warning for some no head comment so thank you 🙏

[icy cave]

I got one about some shooting comments

[craggy pier]

soft skin smh

[icy cave]

But dont worry I don't have blue hair, you can throw anything in my face. Not gonna get offended

sigh Disclaimer to blue haired people: It's a JOKE!

[craggy pier]

real white mofo right there

[civic onyx]

As soon as we finish the dating sim spinoff

[craggy pier]

[lone mortar]

when

[latent obsidian]

[tardy ingot]

are you an option there ?

[obtuse whale]

anyone know how to fix the black box to black screen bug

or am i just fucked and need to restart the run

[lone mortar]

you can leave the current game

if not host

but itll dissapear after

[obtuse whale]

im solo so i guess thats the run then

oh wait

im saved

lets go

[floral acorn]

the real housewives of garganta? lonely mothers wait your call? 🙂

[hidden ridge]

I might go and see my old empire too

[raw jackal]

Best sniper to kill a scout?

[fierce walrus]

Well the sniper

[raw jackal]

Sniper, Hel rifle or precission rifle?

[fierce walrus]

and pr is decent in fog/darkness

[craggy pier]

all 3

[fierce walrus]

but yeah all 3 work fine

hel rifle has more utility outside of killing bigs

[raw jackal]

someone said you can also one shot it with a turret

sniper one

[craggy pier]

sniper sentry but sometimes it may hit the neck depending on the head position

[fierce walrus]

sniper turret might be able to do it, but if it targets a diff enemy you are prolly fucked

[neon gust]

all 3 work but it depends what niche your filling within your team

you killing smalls then bring pr

you the giant killer? bring sniper or any of the other big guns

like most specials can kill the scout

[soft crater]

Yall use snipers to kill scouts?

[dry pumice]

Pretty much anything that deals 20+ base kills scouts, so that limits your options considerably.

The question is always the range from which you wanna do it.

[neon gust]

yAll UsInG Sn1p3rs?? i UsE mY HamMer!!

[soft crater]

shoots it in the occi twice with pistol

[hidden ridge]

using sniper sentry to kill a scout must be the second most weird way of doing it

maybe on the same level as bullpup magdump occiput

[dry pumice]

Close to mid range - high cal, precision, even choke mod.
Very high range - like across the reactor room kind of deal - only HEL and Sniper can reach.

[neon gust]

damn im super weird for occiputting with bp a couple of times

so quirky

[fierce walrus]

choke mode has a higher range than high cal

[hidden ridge]

Call me mad but I remember being able to shoot scout with chokemod on og r4a2's extreme from the sec door to the catwalk and that's pretty far away if you ask me, not sure if it's still possible

[dry pumice]

Yeah yeah, but you risk missing the pullets. Better have flawless aim.

[neon gust]

chokemod if you miss a pellet

[fierce walrus]

i once killed a scoot with choke mode from like 10 meters away

[neon gust]

your screwed

[soft crater]

More unreliable than Highcal due to pellet spread.

[fierce walrus]

thats called a skill issue

[neon gust]

from far away where the cone gets bigger and bigger its a skill issue?

[fierce walrus]

yes

[neon gust]

that legit out of your control

[fierce walrus]

exacactly that

[neon gust]

exacactly

[fierce walrus]

yes

[neon gust]

now whos laughing now!!

[soft crater]

Cubix out here replicating that one guy who got a long range scatter gun scout kill back to back

[fierce walrus]

i am so correct exactly isnt enough

[neon gust]

catch you slipping

[soft crater]

[fierce walrus]

im not doing that, the choke mode kill was accidental (i meant to wake the scoot up and die)

[soft crater]

Pellet rng is a skill issue according to you

[neon gust]

hes joking

[fierce walrus]

J o k e s

[neon gust]

hes joking

dear lord

lmao

[neon gust]

no this is fr fr

[fierce walrus]

yeah rng is all a skill issue

[neon gust]

you better back it up with some facts and knowledge

[fierce walrus]

in any and all game

same with gambling, losing it means you have a skill issue

[soft crater]

[hidden ridge]

needs more pepe

pepe always funny, right?

[neon gust]

nah you'are babe

[tardy ingot]

It one shots anywhere on a scout lol

[craggy pier]

🤐

[dry pumice]

How much damage it deals again? 50?

[neon gust]

48.1?

[dry pumice]

Brutal

Single hardest hitting projectile in the game

If only it could pen...

[icy cave]

Michael_Jordan_Dragon spittin stats

[rain valley]

i have a strange question, is there such a thing as too much rof? like, rof to the point that it is bad compared to a lower rof? not dps, just rof

[minor fractal]

Depends on recoil, but overspill is a factor.

Like, it's arguably a problem on bullpup that you can accidentally spend too much ammo on targets very easily.

It's generally considered to be a big upside for semi-autos.

[rain valley]

the main reason i ask is cuz i use the AR a lot, it feels good to use for me, and im trying to figure out why it works so well for me when its stats say its bad. i have a feeling that it might be the rof and recoil, it doesnt have the highest rof, but it has just the right ammount for me so i dont overspill and that i can land my shots more reliably, as compared to using a high rof smg or machine pistol

[minor fractal]

For MP at least, horizontal recoil is a big deal.

Random horizontal recoil, I should say.

You cannot reliably outskill that, you just have to react to where it goes.

[rain valley]

because of rof and recoil, would the AR be considered more reliable with shots compared to the smg/heavy smg?

[fierce walrus]

heavy smg doesnt have much recoil

[minor fractal]

Of the three, I don't think any has significant horizontal recoil.

AR might have the most of them, even.

[ocean spindle]

which ones?

ar hsmg and which one?

[fierce walrus]

smg

[rain valley]

interesting, i should try thr heavy smg some more i suppose, i have used it before and liked it, but maybe its rof is a little too high for me

[minor fractal]

It sounds more to me like a range difference or muscle memory.

[ocean spindle]

ah
they both, hsmg n ar pretty much on par but maybs ar has tiny bit more

[rain valley]

yeah, ik AR has a little more range than the heavy smg

[dry pumice]

a little

[minor fractal]

Like, the RoF is higher on those weapons, but not so high that you can't compensate.

So it may be a matter of being out of practice.

You have stuff like head break to track, too.

[rain valley]

usually smgs are one of my prefered weapons, still is, its just the AR in this game works really well for me for some reason, everytime i bring it on a mission i land almost all my shots, even at a distance

maybe im just hyperfixated cuz i know how bad the AR is technically, but in practice it isnt adding up lmao

[sturdy glen]

bad in this game really doesnt mean THAT much

[minor fractal]

Tbf, all autos are a bit weaker than semi-autos.

[rain valley]

true

[minor fractal]

Much less than before, but I'd still say so.

[rain valley]

i just prefer full auto over burst or semi

[fierce walrus]

i suppose thats kinda the point isnt it? they get the benefits of full auto at the cost of power

[rain valley]

so im just trying to find the full auto that works best for me, and so far its the crappy AR lol

[minor fractal]

Full auto isn't really a benefit, though.

[fierce walrus]

i mean, it can be for some people

[ocean spindle]

i mean kinda is when u cant aim or wanna kill several in front of u

[minor fractal]

I think it's arguably much harder to play automatics than semis

[ocean spindle]

what

[fierce walrus]

what

[ocean spindle]

semis, most of em, need headshots

autos do not

[fierce walrus]

yeah

[rain valley]

O.o i use full auto cuz its easier

[fierce walrus]

autos can just mag dump

[ocean spindle]

and even b ok doin it

[sturdy glen]

"need headshots"

please do explain

[minor fractal]

It's the opposite, though.

Semis has better mag capacity

Better breakpoints

[fierce walrus]

most semi-autos need to use headshots to get the most out of their ammo, and that diffrence is felt more than if you fun full auto

[ocean spindle]

dmr hel revo double tap pistol are weapons that reward headshots, do not need em perse i guess yeah but they work better with em and if ur with many enemies autos work cause they do not demand em as much

so u can, blast enemies in their chest

[sturdy glen]

this is not true

[fierce walrus]

double tap, dmr

pistol and rifle kinda

they all do benefit a lot from headshots

[rain valley]

tbh, i do body shots until they stagger, then i do head shots, easier to do with full auto

[sturdy glen]

for the main category

(discounting hel shotty and sawed off ofc)

[ocean spindle]

hel shotty is an auto

[sturdy glen]

dmr and machine pistol are the only real outliers

[ocean spindle]

ah

[sturdy glen]

you cant factor hel shotty into any gun balance argument

[ocean spindle]

nah

[sturdy glen]

its just not fair lol

[ocean spindle]

but i thought u were goin other way ksmdkm

my bad

but what

[sturdy glen]

dmr has somewhat poor body efficiency

[ocean spindle]

so dmr is above hel revo n machinep is above smg pdw or...

or u mean outliers as in

[sturdy glen]

(though it is only 1 under most weapons)

[ocean spindle]

the characteristical

[sturdy glen]

and machine pistol, especially after the buff

has much better body efficiency

about 1.5 above

but every other one

is roughly the same

between semis and autos

[rain valley]

i do like the machine pistol, high mag, close range killer

[minor fractal]

The problem is, if you are forgoeing accuracy, autos just have some of the least fuel of all Main weapons.

[sturdy glen]

yeah, it is easier to hit all those bodyshots with semis even

no headshot required

you will get better efficiency

[minor fractal]

And then you have stagger -> head shot

on most semis

[sturdy glen]

autos generally even have better headshot efficiency

[rain valley]

AR has rarely, or never, ran out of ammo for me (i cant remember a run where i ran dry on AR tbh)

[sturdy glen]

better or same

the other funny thing is

semis can output more damage than the autos most of the time as well

so the mag dumping a horde argument isnt even true

[dry pumice]

That's just mains in general

[ocean spindle]

that was not the argument tho we were sayin autos were easier

not that they were stronger

[rain valley]

i run out of arbalist often :c but thats cuz i put it to good use

[jaunty latch]

carbine and sawed-off kinda have ammo issues

[sturdy glen]

install accuracy show if you really want to know

[ocean spindle]

hel shottie can drain if ur for some reason the only one shootin but has very good ammo

[sturdy glen]

(just dont use a sentry yourself, have someone else take it)

[rain valley]

oh no, not actual feedback DX

[ocean spindle]

i was gonna do somethin and i forgot

[jaunty latch]

are you just mag dumping it or

[sturdy glen]

I feel like everyone should install it for at least a match or 2 just to see

[rain valley]

i stop shooting when the enemies are dead D: i try not to waste ammo

[sturdy glen]

might make some unwanted discoveries

[fierce walrus]

how does one manage to mag dump arbalest

do you literally just shoot a wall

[ocean spindle]

isnt machineguns made for magdumpin a wave

[latent obsidian]

I've been running it since finding out it exists but its hard to gain much from the number alone besides a fun curiosity

[civic wave]

It fires so slowly

[sturdy glen]

this is a good example of why autos are generally not as good, and why ppl complain about hel shotty

[dry pumice]

It's called suppressive fire

[sturdy glen]

hel shotty is just generally used poorly

[rain valley]

for me, 1 mag of arbalist means taking down a swarm or 1.5 big guys

[jaunty latch]

kinda but if they arnt grouped up it wastes a lot of ammo if your not burst firing

[dry pumice]

Mag dumping requires speed by definition

[sturdy glen]

the shots arent missed, but they arent doing much

[civic wave]

Arbalist sucks

[fierce walrus]

veruta id agree, but arbalest?

[ocean spindle]

i havent- that was never my point ksmdksmk

[sturdy glen]

I know

[rain valley]

ik, but i like it

[fierce walrus]

no it doesnt

it has its uses

[ocean spindle]

arbalist being under veruta doesnt mean its the bottom of the barrel

[jaunty latch]

its more or less the same as verd just slightly less versatile

[fierce walrus]

yeah, arbalest is much better at hitting precise targets than veruta

[rain valley]

i prefer arbalist over veruta cuz it is easier to land my shots, which matters to me

[dry pumice]

Same

[fierce walrus]

yeah

[rain valley]

stats wise, arbalist does more damage per bullet than veruta

[dry pumice]

Whole 20%

Or was it 25... Don't remember.

[rain valley]

less ammo and smaller mag tho u.u

[dry pumice]

Makes sense, of course

And veruta probably got extra ammo to compensate for all the misses the average user collects.

[rain valley]

lets see, arbalist is 5.35, veruta is 3.51

[dry pumice]

Oh crap, it's bigger than I remember

[rain valley]

based on fandom wiki

veruta gets a wide range flashlight, arbalist doesnt get a special flashlight :c

[dry pumice]

Actually

[rain valley]

according to the wiki

[ocean spindle]

think they both have the same one

[dry pumice]

Ballistas flashlight is very comfy

[rain valley]

oh

[dry pumice]

It's very soft and doesn't blind you with reflections

[minor fractal]

They're essentially variations of the same idea.

Arbalist is better at bursting but is worse for spraying.

Veruta is better for spraying, but is worse at bursting.

[rain valley]

I do burst fire arbalist often... makes since

[minor fractal]

But then, Veruta is more economical if you can burst it well, and Arbalist is more economical if you can spray it well.

[dry pumice]

I think he reffers to DPS

[minor fractal]

Their DPS is identical.

[dry pumice]

I like veruta aesthetically but I just don't know how to use it

ADS is cringe

Hipfire is basically shotgun

So wtf

[rain valley]

I ADS for arbalist

[dry pumice]

Do i just use it like combat shotgun or something

[minor fractal]

Some people swear by hip-fire, but I always ADS.

[dry pumice]

I should try using it again for experiment sake. Maybe even record it and my frustrations

[minor fractal]

The MGs are just very flexible weapons, and most of what they do is built into their kits.

[jaunty latch]

ADS and fire it in bursts

[rain valley]

I use both with my loadout tbh, AR and arbalist, hip fire when they are close, ADS when there is distance

[minor fractal]

With both MGs, you burst when you need to chip or pick off individual enemies, and you spray when you have a lot to deal with and you want to clear it out quickly.

[rain valley]

^

[dry pumice]

One thing AR has over Bullpup, I think, is hipfire. Bullpup loses accuracy fast. Needs testing. But it's what it feels like.

[jaunty latch]

also burst if its a group far away

[rain valley]

AR also has faster reload than bullpup, especially if you reload cancel

[jaunty latch]

honestly I still dont like the bullpup

[rain valley]

bullpup was my fav for a while ngl

[jaunty latch]

I tend to play extremely close to enemies when shooting them which it sucks at

[rain valley]

ah

[dry pumice]

Fair

It's a ranger's gun

[rain valley]

I've been successful with AR at close combat and at picking off enemies from afar or giving long range support

just not sniper levels of distance mind you

[jaunty latch]

the AR is just decent at all ranges

[dry pumice]

Damage fall off of 10m is still insane to me. Pistol is fucking 9.

It should be 15

[rain valley]

burst rifle has even better range, but I think its recoil messes with my aim, or something

[dry pumice]

And it'd give another 0.1 or 0.2 of damage

[rain valley]

AR is 10m, bullpup is 15m, and burst rifle is 20m

[jaunty latch]

eh burst guns inherently suck for close quarters

[dry pumice]

Isn't that the truth

[latent obsidian]

Really? I find carbine perfectly fine for close quarters

[minor fractal]

?

[jaunty latch]

so it ends up in the same space as bullpup for me

[dry pumice]

Titanfall's hemlok gives me nightmares to this day

[rain valley]

ooooh. this makes sense why I like full auto more than burst lmao

[dry pumice]

Enemy closer than 5m? DIE

[minor fractal]

Carbine and BR are both fine if not great in CQC

[icy cave]

Carbine is great in CQB

[jaunty latch]

I dont like not being able to hold down the trigger to get something off me and they feel like they blow through an absurd amount of ammo when using them for close quarter panic firing

[dry pumice]

Most burst guns in most games require ADS and hipfire like madmen making them good at precisely medium range where the target is not yet a single pixel, but not close enough to give you an aneurysm trying to aim at them.

Gtfo guns bypassed the hipfire issue, mostly.

[minor fractal]

I mean, Carbine has the second best eco to body of any Main, and you can miss a full 3 bullets of the three bursts.

[jaunty latch]

isnt that only if you weakspot hit

[minor fractal]

No, then it'd be two-burst

[jaunty latch]

weird but either way I still dont like it

[dry pumice]

It is a pretty lame gun, vibe wise

Which hilariously seems to be the reason why no one used it before devs buffed it into the S tier it is today

[minor fractal]

Tbf, R7 Carbine was actually hard to play.

It's just braindead now.

It's extremely strong for very little player input.

[jaunty latch]

I wouldnt be surprised if they slap it down again whenever r8 hits after the pdw nerf

[dry pumice]

Was it? I remember clearing R7C3 with it and it felt just as brainless to me

[minor fractal]

You had to actually hit full bursts when you broke heads.

And the mag size mattered more

[jaunty latch]

it fires so fast it might as well be a single shot

[dry pumice]

That's the part I don't like the most

[jaunty latch]

same

[dry pumice]

Technically speaking that is how real burst guns work and it is practical

But I always was more into burst guns that require target leading

Glue the crosshair to the target, press lmb once and just follow

It's a unique experience, and gtfo currently doesn't have it

[minor fractal]

DTR, tho.

[dry pumice]

Same thing

[minor fractal]

BR also you do need to adjust mid-burst

[jaunty latch]

I dont think the game ever has distances long enough for what burst is designed for irl

[civic wave]

it's not full auto, but carbine is still one of the strongest guns for dealing with cqc

quite fast, forgiving with the stagger, etc etc

[minor fractal]

I have a hard time evaluating if DTR is really strong or too niche.

[jaunty latch]

does hel shotgun outdo it or

[minor fractal]

Situational tbh.

HEL Shotty has a much higher cap for what it can do.

But it's worse as a general-purpose Main

[dry pumice]

DTR feels unique, but it's too much maintanance

[vague bridge]

also surprisingly good in rather unfavorable situations

[dry pumice]

Can't imagine playing it for longer than 1 game

[upper ginkgo]

dtr is just kinda there,
you gotta put a lot of effort for not really substantial gains compared to other mains

[minor fractal]

Damn, perma-DTR picker telling me to just play DMR after all...

[upper ginkgo]

but i do like that you have access to eco and burst options on dtr
take your time with your shots and you can save ammo
but you can magdump if needed

[dry pumice]

Reduce recoil so that it is pinpoint burst and we have a deal

[minor fractal]

I think my only issue w/ mag dumping on DTR is that it doesn't feel like you have much fuel, its damage value is just so low.

[jaunty latch]

eh I rarely feel like I need a general purpose main outside of reactors

[upper ginkgo]

yeah if you're not hitting heads when mag dumping it's pretty meh

[jaunty latch]

and even then i can deal with having to hug the door to defend properly

[upper ginkgo]

it's a fun gun to play just because you need to recognize when you have the opportunity to one burst the enemy based on their stance and their pathing
i don't think any other gun plays the same

[dry pumice]

I think DTR could be solved with an increased mag

Like yeah yeah 7 flawless kills

But who cares though

If you miss 2nd bullet every so often

Increase mag to like 18 or 20 and maybe it'll have a niche

[upper ginkgo]

nah, i think it's in a decent spot, maybe a bit more reserve ammo would be nice

increasing mag size just encourages more spam

[minor fractal]

Having high skill ceiling weapons that aren't necessarily good is fine imo.

Especially if the weapon feels good to play, and DTR is in a good spot there.

[dry pumice]

Hm, fair I suppose...

[rain valley]

what would pair well with the hel shotgun? HAR?

[jaunty latch]

combat shotgun

[dry pumice]

Anything really

[rain valley]

wouldnt you be lacking in range tho?

[dry pumice]

Yeah, and? You have lead for days

[jaunty latch]

yes but that doesnt matter in practice

outside of r6d1

[hidden ridge]

Whatever the team needs

[rain valley]

true

[dry pumice]

If you want to have ranged options - HAR is a good start.

[hidden ridge]

Dont think of weapons as islands

[dry pumice]

Specials weapon are really not that complicated

[icy cave]

they continents

[jaunty latch]

warning HAR is an abomination ammo wise

[hidden ridge]

I'm the only one that uses the thumbs up emote thingy so much

[dry pumice]

Yes.

[icy cave]

yep

[craggy pier]

bro got that facebook itch

[dry pumice]

I can't tell why you're doing it really

[craggy pier]

im also surprised no one has took it personally

some take offense for some reason

[hidden ridge]

It's like "I've read your message and either approve of it or consider it a valid take" or "Thanks."

[icy cave]

To a thumbs up???

[craggy pier]

yeppers peppers

i had some friends who would cuss me out for sending a thumbs up on fb chat

[dry pumice]

What the fuck

[icy cave]

People need a hard wake up call damn. and remove the dye from their hair

[craggy pier]

they are perfectly normal people and would act like they had ptsd

never understood why

[dry pumice]

It's a long and deep conversation into the nature of human psyche and various feedback loops.

[icy cave]

priviliged weaklings

[hidden ridge]

I remember that story about the french guy going crazy only if you mentioned politics

[dry pumice]

What, xqc?

[icy cave]

You mean: cookook

[ocean spindle]

its a loop of

a car

[hidden ridge]

no, super old story told in a CSI episode

[ocean spindle]

u know hot wheels

those loops were cool

[hidden ridge]

cant find the actual reference

[craggy pier]

amazing how it works, the other day i was thinking how people react to texts with and without emojis
u send a perfectly normal message they either take it or induce some anger

[dry pumice]

Ah, CSI. Heh.

[craggy pier]

like that one key and peele skit

[ocean spindle]

thats people in general internet makes people defensive

so they go 'AH ITS SARCASM' and like
no

but

that

[icy cave]

😂 man xqc. so long ago. he still alive?

[dry pumice]

I believe he entered homeless saga.

[icy cave]

for the bar appointment 😂

[jaunty latch]

to be fair those company accounts where they spam emojis in the entire post are annoying to look at

[latent obsidian]

Using emoji reactions is great

It's a more subtle way of responding

[craggy pier]

i usually dont care what people do but YOU drive me nuts and id like to gut you and hang you in my backyard 🥰

[craggy pier]

some fine art 😂

[dry pumice]

Generally I find emojis cringe - especially the more normal ones like the damn yellow faces, but they can enhance comedic effects at least.
But I can't post one in a serious conversation with a serious face - it just comes off as mockery.

[ocean spindle]

trans right r human rights :3

[craggy pier]

who? never heard of em

[ocean spindle]

ah no worries !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender here u go !

[craggy pier]

same but with people i know i send them with various contexts

[jaunty latch]

so not this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism

[craggy pier]

oh thank you, thats eye opening
i now identify as an asylum patient and i need to be put down

[sturdy glen]

Average gtfo convo

[icy cave]

I volunteer!

[ocean spindle]

nope thats very much another thing :3

[ocean spindle]

very gtfo of u

[craggy pier]

ill take u down before i go down and thats a promise mf

[icy cave]

Hey! I am not willing to be put down

so that's not how it works

[craggy pier]

before anyone goes ape shit this is a joke in case you softies cant tell holy shit

[craggy pier]

i hate frenchies and i will make sure u go down before i do
no free round this time

[icy cave]

could have gone with the fiction joke (/j ....)

[sturdy glen]

It was very funny, thank you for sharing

[latent obsidian]

Too late I'm writing a letter to my local MP so he can do something about your behaviour

[icy cave]

Wait what do you mean? no free round?

[craggy pier]

first 122 years 🖕

[rain valley]

ok, so ima do some experiments, ima use heavy smg for a few missions and see if it gives me the same feeling as the AR

[ocean spindle]

smh jokin? in the gtfo server?

u shall b banner for 2 miliseconds

[icy cave]

If I go into politics, imma add 500 years to it

[hidden ridge]

ok it wasn't a french

it was a british

[craggy pier]

i doubt you'd remember 200 anyway

[hidden ridge]

James Tilly Matthews

"His delusions were documented in the 1810 book Illustrations of Madness, including his belief that a gang of spies were using an "air loom" to invisibly torment him at a distance. "

[craggy pier]

unless u talking ummayad n spain

[jaunty latch]

close quarters AR

[icy cave]

Ofc if a french hears about politics he don't go apeshit, just Burn a car and go home

[icy cave]

everything

[dry pumice]

Heavy SMG is unironically an upgrade to AR if you always CQC

And the sound design is tasty

[craggy pier]

next time tours will be a successful siege

[dry pumice]

We're a little bit past that, tech wise.

Is siege even used unironically these days

[icy cave]

m8 you wish. you'll find out soon that sticks don't so jack shit no more

[craggy pier]

no everyone will agree to go back to horses n swords
guns are for chumps

[craggy pier]

it'll be different you'll see 🖕

[dry pumice]

Not gonna lie it would be ultra funny if two nations decided to cosplay and replay the dark ages

[icy cave]

There is a joke here ... but the ban will be coming

[rain valley]

im comfortable with the AR even in close quarters

[hidden ridge]

I think last time I took AR was a year ago

probably more

Why do you take it?

[craggy pier]

been watching some yt shorts bout a medieval sport and i would like to pick off someone's liver with a polearm

fully armored shit is glorious

like a colosseum

[hidden ridge]

There's some places in Italy were they basically do gladiator cosplays with fights and training and shit

(they dont kill or maim each other)

[icy cave]

Shame was about to get tickets

[craggy pier]

🥲

[dry pumice]

I used AR just before the BP buff

[icy cave]

I am ... not surprised

[craggy pier]

hey AR is good

suck it dj

[dry pumice]

It was literally just... Okay. It's not mind blowing, but it was reliable and got the job done.

[icy cave]

Not my cup of tea, leave that to you

[dry pumice]

And it was literally better than old BP.

Recoil is fine, actually deals damage, reloads....

[craggy pier]

id grab your neck n choke you just enough that u wont die but suffer enough

[icy cave]

So much violence, just to be smacked around.

[craggy pier]

not your average slave

so u better ace up

[hidden ridge]

DJ's counterbant game is strong

[craggy pier]

its quite good ill admit

[icy cave]

You're right all the slaves were faulty. WE DEMAND REPARATIONS !!!!

[dry pumice]

Are mongols still around

[craggy pier]

the bloodline yes

[hidden ridge]

Mongolia still exists, yes

[icy cave]

They right there on your border m8 😂

Open maps

[dry pumice]

Right.

[hidden ridge]

I always believed it to be comfy

[dry pumice]

I wonder how well it would fly if Russia were to try pressure Mongolia for reparations.

[icy cave]

Again dis was joke. no bannerino

[dry pumice]

Sounds funny as hell to me.

[icy cave]

too lazy to make an Alt

[craggy pier]

i too dont want no banana

[icy cave]

the whole reparations thing is dumb tbh imo.

[dry pumice]

I mean it is, but still. Just for the meme of it.

Everyone doing it, might as well.

[icy cave]

I mean in that case... @hidden ridge we need to talk

[rain valley]

for some reason, whenever i use it, it works really well for me, i land shots, i do well with CQC, and i do well at long range too, but when i use anything else, and ive tried everything, i end up not doing as well, im just trying to figure out why

[dry pumice]

There are better guns, but AR is literally just fine. It's not mind blowing, but it's not stupid bad either like some guns used to be.
Probably still deserves a small minor buff.

[rain valley]

maybe thats why i like it, its simple and does the job, i dont need anything else i guess

[dry pumice]

Make range like 15, add +0.1 damage and we're golden

[rain valley]

im still going to run my experiment tho

bullpup has 15 range

and more precision damage

[dry pumice]

Yeah

Needs more thought of course.

[keen hatch]

i prefer carbine for a simple reason

same reason as you take AR

i like it

[rain valley]

👍

[dry pumice]

I was a Bullpup enjoyer before it was socially acceptable

[rain valley]

for now, AR is my go to, but lets see if that changes after a few missions using the heavy smg

i do like the bullpup

[dry pumice]

Heavy SMG gives me CAR vibes

Looks same, sounds same, even got the same scope

[vague bridge]

CAR?

[dry pumice]

Titanfall SMG

[lone mortar]

@rain valley

[rain valley]

?

@lone mortar?

[craggy pier]

warp lost his mind

[lone mortar]

i need gtfo

im losing my brain cells

[rain valley]

:o

lol

[craggy pier]

sarr... of the bulgars

[rain valley]

O.o

[lone mortar]

GTFO now

[rain valley]

i cant rn D: my gf wants to play games with me rn

[dry pumice]

Do you even know him

[craggy pier]

gf later gtfo now

[lone mortar]

GF later

GTFO now

[craggy pier]

real recognizes real

[rain valley]

sorry, my gf is my everything, been living together for 7 years

[lone mortar]

based

[rain valley]

we have a compromise, my gf will watch me play gtfo with yall

[lone mortar]

based x2

[rain valley]

@lone mortarlobby code? vc invite?

[lone mortar]

oh?

[rain valley]

@lone mortar oh, there is a problem, if im gonna stream it for my gf thru discord, i have to be in vc with her

[craggy pier]

strem on yt

[lone mortar]

we can jump down other vcs

to have more ppl in vc

[ashen frigate]

This

[lone mortar]

thanks Cho

[rain valley]

ok ill invite her to gtfo discord

[ashen frigate]

There are channels with more slots down

Yay, we get one more member !

I am looking forward to seeing her posting in the LFG channels in no time

[craggy pier]

cho finna steal yo girl

[lone mortar]

stfu old man

[rain valley]

she isnt interested in playing gtfo

[hidden ridge]

yet

[lone mortar]

u free beepo?

[dry pumice]

Extroverts.

[craggy pier]

🤐

[ashen frigate]

I have (ashamedly) not joined a public game here for a LONG time. Maybe when R8 comes out

[hidden ridge]

wont talk much thought

[rain valley]

she says she has severe anxiety, and playing this would probably give her a heart attack

she has to wait 10 minutes before she can type in chat

@lone mortar how long until she can join vcs?

[lone mortar]

how long?

[craggy pier]

u have to do a thing at the top

to unlock

[dry pumice]

Channels and roles.

Fun fact: you can't ping it with a # from mobile, but you can from PC.

[craggy pier]

id:customize

[craggy pier]

discord L

[mild vessel]

What is a good ammo-efficient main weapon for short range?

I’ve tried the PDW, Carbine, HEL Shotgun, and Pistol.

[vague bridge]

hel shotgun

[mild vessel]

Cool, any other recommendations?

[vague bridge]

hel revolver is also ammo efficient but more general/medium distances

still works in short range

carbine is also a good pick

[ocean spindle]

any automatic pretty much, smg pdw even bullpup if u control ur shots

[soft crater]

Sawed off

[ocean spindle]

_>

[soft crater]

Bat

[civic wave]

every weapon in the game should be fine in short range tbh

or at least not awful

but yeah carbine and hel revo are probably still the main picks

[soft crater]

Full autos would be preferable if it is dealing with babies. (Hel shotgun works especially well)

[civic wave]

yeah probably, hel revo still not bad for that though

especially if spawn camping

[soft crater]

Hel revo would be alright right when they are birthing

But outside of that it's just a aim game of hitting the little shit

(Unless you use choke points)

[cold quarry]

for babies, pistol is pretty good

one tap with 15 rounds

[soft crater]

Me: I can mag dump pistol into this giants back and it'll die

[ocean spindle]

why did it turned to babies

[cold quarry]

You can!

[soft crater]

Did you read where I specified if it's dealing with babies full autos are preferred/probably better

[soft crater]

Iirc the damage buff made it 13 shots into the back(Unless you hit occi its less)

[cold quarry]

yeah

[soft crater]

But

It isn't the same as my combat shotgun

[hardy grotto]

aren’t u the revo guy

Hit the babies…

point and click adventure

[ocean spindle]

... and why did u qwq

said that

out of nowhere skmdkm

[hardy grotto]

Hates babies

[ocean spindle]

solace the baby hater

'hey whats the best weapon for big guys'
'smg kills babies'

[hardy grotto]

best weapon for bigs is the BURST CANNON

the CANNON that BURSTS

you aim at big shoot burst and then use primary to finish and it dies :D

[ocean spindle]

ah yes the cannon that explodes when u shoot it ksmdkm

[dry pumice]

I don't know man, still not sold on "oops, 10 HP left, care to spare some change?"

[hardy grotto]

You seem pretty close minded

But if swapping gun is a difficult task I can recommend the sniper :D

[dry pumice]

Sniper and scatter are insta win buttons in comparison... In right situation of course, but still.

[hardy grotto]

I think people oversell scatter

[tardy ingot]

best weapon for bigs isnt burst cannon since it needs extra help

legit in the context it cant be the best (most simple tho if you lack aim)

burst cannon obviously does way more than both sniper/scattergun

outside of bigs

[hardy grotto]

Tbh if you’re bringing a gun

Purely for a single enemy type in the game

[tardy ingot]

what was the question beth

[hardy grotto]

then I hope your team bring other stuff too

and eva burst cannon is still a perfectly fine answer to the question

And it helps them in other situations too

[dry pumice]

I'm scared to not have a 30 breakpoint weapon on me at all times because what if I need to kill a scout, or even worse - the better scout

[hardy grotto]

so your argument is you wouldn’t take burst cannon

Cause it can’t kill scouts

[tardy ingot]

fine answer yes

but its def not the best answer

[hardy grotto]

Even tho

You can?

[tardy ingot]

honestly tho

[dry pumice]

BC is above 30 so yes, I would bring it maybe

[tardy ingot]

id take burst cannon over scatter

if i just wanna kill giants

scatter often leaves a giant low anyway unless you hug it

[hardy grotto]

Like I said people oversell scatter

it’s the funny mom killing weapon

[dry pumice]

A hilarious weapon either way

When 15 bullets though

[hardy grotto]

never

I think that gun is being left as it is

[dry pumice]

Real talk: wtf is this emote and what is it supposed to represent?? Why is it called "Then Boom"?

[ocean spindle]

meme

my day be so fine

then boom sleepers

search the first line im sure itll appear

[latent obsidian]

I think its a sad emote

[young patio]

my day be so fine, then boom, twitter

[ocean spindle]

so me

[native sun]

You seem to not have accounted for how cool you feel when you slide into the feet of a giant and look up at it in slow motion and take 40 while getting aimpunched and missing the kill while you absolutely blast it into oblivion

[craggy pier]

what backpack do you think looks the coolest

All backpacks are bad

I really need a cool one

aw man

dont say that

Give me an option to remove it

backpacks are my favourite thing

They would be nice if they had decent ones

god fuckin damn it

I'm gonna find a good one

Good luck 🥰

[vague bridge]

kds ray proto cage is cool

dtek compact too

and smc utility kit

[past mesa]

I enjoy scattering a single baby into dust

Even more when I miss

[ocean spindle]

the funny flower backpack

the kovak backpack is sweet, the one with the solar panels, the santonian one

and some more normal like the mule one r nice and look cool on some palettes

[craggy pier]

I'm using the utility compact pioneer

it's the most respectable looking backpack i have so far

i have the proto cage but that's not a pack that's just a bunch of metal

are mods legal to use?

[past mesa]

No

You are gonna be hunted and killed

[craggy pier]

[past mesa]

Maybe read the rules of the server

[craggy pier]

Yes

[past mesa]

https://discord.com/channels/408196129470152705/408587817925607424

[craggy pier]

ok

[jaunty latch]

go to #hc-modded for content mods and qol mods are generally fine here

[soft crater]

Quality of life / Cosmetic / cinematography mods are allowed in server

[craggy pier]

if quality of life mods are allowed why aren't they in the base game

[neon gust]

They are

Look at the newest patch kekw

[craggy pier]

Depends on the mod

oh ok

cool

The bullet collision with doors was fixed

by the way what's with this talk of backpacks not looking nice

there are at least 3 good ones on the wiki

make that 4

[neon gust]

I told eastern to rever the spread on bots

And just watch

How people are gonna say still broken because its the same shit

[craggy pier]

😂

I expect nothing less from our dear community

KDS compact survivalist
Outwear PM8
STRP Pack Mule
Outwear Demi Camo

i think both outwear packs are the same with different colors though

also this might sound stupid but am i the only person who wants flavour text for in game items

[neon gust]

I just use the boxy one

[craggy pier]

i really like the tiny drops of worldbuilding and story telling that happen in those 2-3 lines

[neon gust]

Or the one that got a plant

Im either my signature lemon man or edgy prisioner #405838

[sturdy glen]

plant best backpack

everyone got bored of using it tho

[neon gust]

Or default character

Yeh

Tbh all these alts are missed oportunities

For cool cosmetics

[sturdy glen]

can I get a baby striker in a pod backpack

[fair crag]

death stranding my beloved

[craggy pier]

backpack with an LED screen that displays comic books

or any other mp4 files you replace it with

GTFO's conscientious objector

[neon gust]

Thats actually pretty dope

Baby pn pod

[craggy pier]

did we not have backpacks before r6?

[sturdy glen]

didnt have any cosmetics

[craggy pier]

it says the default one was added with r6

oh wow

damn

also do i understand this correctly, you can just not get the cosmetics you might want out of bad luck

[sturdy glen]

ye

[craggy pier]

that's poopy

[sturdy glen]

only the ppl who did og r6 have everything in the pool

[craggy pier]

so there u go you can add some cosmetics on PE'

[sturdy glen]

man

[craggy pier]

or something

[sturdy glen]

saying og r6 feels really uncanny

[craggy pier]

how come

[sturdy glen]

not sure

[neon gust]

I dont think so?

If you were like me and messup when they did the whole reseting stuff

You lacking like 1 or 2?

I think

Im probably wrong on this

[sturdy glen]

that should be correct yea

[finite oracle]

will shooting c foam launcher trigger a room full of sleepers?

[minor fractal]

Negative, it's silent

Even touching enemies w/ foam, they are chill w/ it.

[icy cave]

And for the folks who have everything then? what do they get? 🥹

[cold quarry]

another mask reskin?

can probably do another gas mask reskin.

[icy cave]

yeeeeej 🥳

[finite oracle]

so even if the foam hits and stuns an enemy temporarily they still continue sleeping?

[icy cave]

yes

If you hit it while frozen tho and you don't kill it, it will wake up upon being unstuck.

[finite oracle]

same thing with the c foam grenades then?

[icy cave]

Yes

[finite oracle]

ok

[icy cave]

make sure to completely kill em while frozen. OR to not hit/touch em at all while frozen

Altho the use case for this is very limited actually, there is almost never a reason to foam an enemy except a couple of which only one with the launcher

[finite oracle]

how long does the stun last for or does it vary based on enemy types?

[minor fractal]

Varies

[finite oracle]

is damage falloff a thing?

[latent obsidian]

yes, varies per gun

[dry pumice]

High Caliber Pistol starts losing damage after 9 meters.
Choke Mod Shotgun starts losing damage after 15 meters.
As examples... Its pretty arbitrary all things considered.

[craggy pier]

Sniper starts losing damage halfway across the continent

[abstract kestrel]

Game still suitable for new people ?

Enough lobbies / players etc

[icy cave]

on the discord yes. ingame MM is dead

[abstract kestrel]

So there is at least a hardcore following of fans ?

[icy cave]

And less hardcore ( most folks don't finish the game )

But yeah discord is pretty active

[abstract kestrel]

Thx, lets see how long the download takes

[tardy ingot]

8m for highcal

[icy cave]

couple minutes

[abstract kestrel]

I live in the sticks people

nvm, hitting 25 mbs

are there tiers in guns or are they just sidegrades ?

[neon gust]

Primaries are you "backup gun" specials are your more niche but more killing oriented weapons

[icy cave]

There are meta guns but everything is basically usable

[neon gust]

You recieve 17% for primaries and 30% ammo on specials

Balance your ammo accordingly

[abstract kestrel]

I see, but like 17% and 30% of how much exactly ?

[dry pumice]

I have a faint memory of them changing it, but i don't remember the specifics

[dry pumice]

Depends on the weapon, pure and simple.

[icy cave]

very important. if you eat ammo while on 90% secondary you are playing wrong, even if your primary is at 1%

[latent obsidian]

17% and 30% of total capacity

[dry pumice]

30% of sniper rifle is like... 3-4 bullets.
30% of veruta machine gun like 80 bullets.

[tardy ingot]

they changed how quickly it falls off

[abstract kestrel]

so switch between and switch often i take it

[tardy ingot]

and that change was alt r1 man

[icy cave]

So make sure your weapons balance out. keep em around the same %

[icy cave]

pretty much

[tardy ingot]

100%

[abstract kestrel]

I saw the game has reload cancelling just like KF2

just far less fuss

shaves almost a second from most guns

[icy cave]

Some weapons will deplete way faster, that just means you need to shoot more with the other

[dry pumice]

Its on per gun basis and doesn't really seem to be an intended mechaNIC

Guns that need it - don't have it
And guns that don't need it - have all of it

[tardy ingot]

Rarely

most reload cancels are negible or 0.3 sec

There is some cracked once tho

[lone mortar]

yo eva

[abstract kestrel]

Does the number of enemies scale to the number of players ?

[icy cave]

Nope

meant for 4, will stay for 4

[abstract kestrel]

Oh thats good

[icy cave]

And before you ask: no it's not possible to complete the whole game with bots or solo. (usually this is the follow-up question)

[abstract kestrel]

Seems a waste of a coop game to play it solo

[icy cave]

you'd be surprised the number of folks who expect this to be viable or demand it to be so ..

[abstract kestrel]

I mean I get the thrill of doing something that was meant for more players than 1 by yourself, but it is ofc not always possible, viable or even done in a sane amount of time

[tardy ingot]

basically

Early missions are very doable tho

obviously way harder than full team

and theres some dedicated people who solo everything (albeit with cheese and or glitch use)

[abstract kestrel]

Like using doors to block movement and baiting ?

I watched a video of someone soloing ... something

they mostly ran back and forth opening every door and kiting things behind them

[tardy ingot]

cheese is usually kiting for long amounts of time or using specific mechanics in a specific way

glitch abuse is straight up exploits (spawn capping enemies where they cant harm you anymore)

[abstract kestrel]

all guns available to new chars ?

[neon gust]

All loadouts are viable

[icy cave]

No unlocks, you get everything from get go

well there is drip

but it adds nothing gameplay wise

[abstract kestrel]

Drip we earn in due time

[neon gust]

If only you knew the amount of dumb people who buy this game and do that just to drop it the second it doesnt go their way

[icy cave]

every first completion of a level

[abstract kestrel]

Something suitable with large enough ammo pools to start memorizing weakspots ?

[icy cave]

So much this. People can't read or comprehend basic concepts anymore

[tardy ingot]

Hitting weakpoints is gun and enemy dependent rly

[neon gust]

I recommend you burst rifle and high caliber pistol to start off

[abstract kestrel]

Breakpoints on dmg ?

ofc

[tardy ingot]

20/30 are very big ones

[abstract kestrel]

recommended melee weapon ?

im leaning towards the spear

[latent obsidian]

You should try them all to see how you like them, but hammer is pretty uncontested as the best

[tardy ingot]

Hammer

Hammer and hammer

try them all tho

but in the end its hammer

[abstract kestrel]

It does have a certain vibe to bring a hammer for close combat

makes everything look like nails

[icy cave]

It's not the vibe, it's just above all the others

[hidden ridge]

See it like this: eventually, you're going to use hammer

[abstract kestrel]

straight up better is kinda sad

but gotcha

[icy cave]

Or rage quit the game

[tardy ingot]

its because in early acess there was only hammer

so game is balanced around it

[icy cave]

Devs just never dared to nerf it

[icy cave]

And this

[abstract kestrel]

better to buff things than to nerf others

[hidden ridge]

well you could occitap strikers before

but yes

roughly it's the same

[tardy ingot]

the others came later and mostly exist to fill a niche

Knife does have one (smalls) fast af boy
Spear was ass for a long time and has barely a few things its good at
Bat is fine but just a hammer downgrade mostly

[icy cave]

They buffed Spear last patch and it is STILL worse 😂

[tardy ingot]

hammer needs reduced stagger

that buffs spear and bat

Indirectly

[icy cave]

Yeah True it was even more busted

[abstract kestrel]

Maybe they'll introduce a glaive

😄

[tardy ingot]

probably not

[hidden ridge]

I'm against nerfing hammer because I'd rather see the other melees have more of a point

[tardy ingot]

only 1 more major content update is announced for now

[icy cave]

Spear pointy tho??

[hidden ridge]

Spear wants to be slow? reintroduce swipe

[tardy ingot]

Stagger nerf is needed

Otherwise bat will stay in its shadow forever

Stagger nerf wont kill hammer at all

it will make it less brainless

and not shit on mom as much

[hidden ridge]

...

Why do you people always act like hammering mom is the norm

[tardy ingot]

its not the norm

but hammer fucks it up with stagger

[icy cave]

If it works....

[hidden ridge]

I did it once but I'd much rather just shoot it

and it's simply not something that I'd feel confortable doing with pugs anyway

Point is, people dont take hammer to "stagger mom", really...

[tardy ingot]

its less that its taken for it