might sound crazy but 2 bio cfoam and mine deployer
#gtfo-related-questions
craggy pier
dull wave
2 bio?
past mesa
Honestly 2 bio is not a bad idea
real vapor
Split into group of two for better defence
dull wave
Huh neat
past mesa
Huh neat
You also don’t need to do every blood door
Btw you can semi guess the last letters
past mesa
Like if on your first two you get -oo-
There is only a few words with oo in the middle
dull wave
I’ll try and see what they are willing to do, the main problem is they are wiffing shots on the invis sleepers, so the 2 bio would definitely help
civic wave
book, tool, took, look, pool, etc etc
moon is another one, you can probably get the codes by guessing them yeah
past mesa
I’ll try and see what they are willing to do, the main problem is they are wiffi...
Do you understand what I am saying
dull wave
I understand
dull wave
Welp thank you prisoners, I shall use this information on our next suicide mission
Ty mish for your wisdom
sturdy glen
Give it 1 guess for the funny before opening anythinf
hardy grotto
Don’t thank mish you’ll feed their ego
past mesa
No wisdom only cheese
past mesa
Welp thank you prisoners, I shall use this information on our next suicide missi...
Where are you placing the mine
Are you placing it in the space in the door
dull wave
Where are you placing the mine
On the side of the door horizontal
tardy ingot
and not waiting for the explosion
past mesa
On the side of the door horizontal
Yeah okay makes sense in the inside part thing
I remember those doors can sometimes be tricky to place
river dove
Any tips on r6cx? specifically all the uplinks
craggy pier
start top to bottom
river dove
wait why?
hidden ridge
yes
but consider this
third terminal top= hard to defend, worst waves
third terminal bottom= a bit of fog, but easy to defend, worst waves
top to bottom is considered easier
personally I did OG top to bottom and this one bottom to top
I dont think there's a lot of difference but bottom is a cakewalk either way
river dove
will try it next when we do the whole level over again
maybe doesn't help that we play with 2 bots
dry pumice
Oh absolutely
Bots big stupid on that level
Verticality destroys them
Full squad or bust.
Or get used to randomly kick them out of the lobby and play as 2 people for the rest of it
finite oracle
why was the scattergun removed before it was added back?
cold quarry
they did that with a lot of guns, and all the rundowns
dry pumice
why was the scattergun removed before it was added back?
Game used to work on a very weird basis. Every 3 or 4 months they would completely replace the rundown, and some guns marked "rundown specific" would occasionally get removed together with the old rundown.
Now they went back on that particualr mod of operations and are slowly reintroducing old content back to be in the game forever.
river dove
we have completed quite a lot of levels with bots. They aren't nearly as bad as people make them seem to be
dry pumice
Eh
They can scan and they can shoot
Verticality: dead
Carry objective: dead
Kill tank: dead
(having another guy helps a lot, but with 3 of them - basically you have to kill him yourself or die trying)
Fight a charger wave: dead
river dove
the only time we have problems with bots is when the level is focused on fast paced combat where you need to be smart with resources
like error alarms and reactors and in this case multiple uplinks in a row
cold quarry
we have completed quite a lot of levels with bots. They aren't nearly as bad as ...
just wait 'til you get down to harder levels in later rundowns
river dove
yeah it's probably gonna get worse. we only completed two D tier levels so far
finite oracle
Game used to work on a very weird basis. Every 3 or 4 months they would complete...
are there any weapons that currently arent added back yet?
finite oracle
what about tools
dry pumice
are there any weapons that currently arent added back yet?
Nope, scattergun was the last one.
Whatever R8 brings - if any - it will be a completely new gun / tool.
But chances are there won't be none of that.
finite oracle
alright.
dry pumice
I still need my slow burst scratch
civic wave
no primary weapon 1 shots/1 bursts strikers
(maybe burst rifle can on client with 3 headshots, can't exactly remember)
sturdy glen
carbine can with a lot of ping
wind wren
um it doesnt i think skdmkm think its a two burst
3 if no headshits, 1 burst does 9.52 dmg
civic wave
ah right yeah double tap and the stupid shotguns
ocean spindle
smh smh u dont know ur gtfos :3
sturdy glen
hel shotgun technically can, also as client
civic wave
yeah but hel shotgun SUCKS
tardy ingot
i dont count lag for this
ocean spindle
pistol oneshots shooters from occi i think?
tardy ingot
haha burst cannon can 1 mag giant striker if i giga lag pff
@ocean spindle a lot of stuff does with occi
minor fractal
45,000k 🤔
minor fractal
GTFO mods have SCAMMED me out of 45,000k USDT 😔
desert marlin
interesting. hit my dms.
odd pumice
How do I get out of this server's lfg beginners chat? I have 212 hours in this game, and I'm definitely not a beginner anymore lol
ocean spindle
How do I get out of this server's lfg beginners chat? I have 212 hours in this g...
u can use any other region channel, if u dont see em, activate em in id:customize
there u can also choose ur pronouns
n ur fav melee
odd pumice
Welp I'm a wacky wacker for sure
fierce walrus
it doesnt
but if you fire a burst weapon and crouch mid burst
the recoil gets lowered
rain valley
i can aim better while crouching, i think its cuz of the crawlers
craggy pier
i can aim better while crouching, i think its cuz of the crawlers
in some way yes
soft crater
Less mouse movement.
wind wren
What levels are good to practice scout kills? Cuz I succc
tardy ingot
r7b1 if you set it up well you can kill 3 scouts again and again with a good checkpoint setup
icy cave
What levels are good to practice scout kills? Cuz I ***succc***
R6B2 on drop go to side zone
free scout
tardy ingot
do both alarms, go into key zone. Checkpoint
3 free scouts with insta resets if you wipe
wind wren
Thanks guys
dry pumice
There is 1 scout immediately upon dropping into R2E1, I believe.
But you'll have to reload level every time.
icy cave
There is 1 scout immediately upon dropping into R2E1, I believe.
correct
raw mist
Wait are guns in this game hit scan? The Weapons article (under the mechanics section) on the official wiki suggests so, but there are projectiles when I shoot? Does this mean the projectiles are purely for show or is the wiki wrong?
Here’s the line I’m referring to: “(notably, bullets in GTFO are not projectiles, but instead travel instantaneously to their target in a straight line, so the only thing that affects weapons at range is the damage falloff).”
latent obsidian
Yeah certainly seems that way
ocean spindle
most guns on games are hit scan and the bullets are just a cosmetic effecct, unless its, too realistic
in gtfo sometimes u can even see a teammate shootin a wall but the enemy dyin
cause the cosmetic bullet doesnt line up with the hitscan, but its a nothin issue, the enemy still dies
latent obsidian
sometimes my friend is cfoaming the door but the game shows them repeatedly unloading their shotgun
dry pumice
The only proper projectile gun in the entire game is the Cfoam launcher
And technically some throwables
Everything else is hitscan with cosmetic tracers
raw mist
So that explains why when I was shooting a striker from far away I could see projectiles but no hit markers! I thought I was tripping haha
dry pumice
Many games do that, creates great visuals for sideway observers and for that sweet trailer footage
raw mist
Actually, what about bullet deviation? Does this game have spread when firing rapidly also? My aim is generally trash so I can’t tell if it’s my poor fps skills or if there is bullet spread
fierce walrus
there is spread when hipfiring i dunno about ADS
dry pumice
Most guns deviate in hipfire
ADS yeah, debatable... In my experience seems to be pin point and the only problem is gun itself kicking.
You can easily test by dropping into R1A1 or something and shooting into a wall from medium range.
raw mist
I do ads most of the time
dry pumice
Chances are deviation is there, but it's not important.
raw mist
I see, thanks
dry pumice
If in doubt - use Bullpup.
raw mist
Haha I’m just glued to hel revolver
dry pumice
That thing is laser precise when ADS.
fierce walrus
i like hel revo a lot, but i honestly prefer full autos/carbine
raw mist
It’s good to be able to conserve ammo, cuz my homies are also bad at this game and they spend a lot of ammo haha
fierce walrus
best weapon in the game
dont trust those who say otherwise
raw mist
Dude the stagger on that is insane
My friend held off a wave of chargers alone with one
I am starting to want to convert to hel auto pistol religion
But hel revolver still has me by the balls
fierce walrus
the best build to run is 4 hel auto pistols and 4 auto sentries
you dont need to close doors
just
G u n
raw mist
the best build to run is 4 hel auto pistols and 4 auto sentries
Gotta try that the next time I play, thanks for the recommendation
dry pumice
The pacifist build
wind wren
At how short of a distance does Sr sentry dmg take effect?
dry pumice
No idea
fierce walrus
At how short of a distance does Sr sentry dmg take effect?
it should say when you mouse over it
olive scroll
pls convert me. i cannot use anything but the mastaba
olive robin
Is there a damage fall off calculator so I can determine how far away I can be from a scout to one shot them etc
wind wren
it should say when you mouse over it
It do not be saying dat doe
dry pumice
pls convert me. i cannot use anything but the mastaba
Which one, lmao
Use gun name, not manufacturer name
rain valley
pistol?
rain valley
ah ok
eager sierra
Is there an updated roadmap / any place to hear about things in the work?
past mesa
Is there an updated roadmap / any place to hear about things in the work?
R8 is in the work
.
icy cave
And that is everything
dry pumice
Is there an updated roadmap / any place to hear about things in the work?
Nope. Only from horse's mouth around here.
icy cave
After that it's: lights out
dry pumice
eager sierra
And for the announcements, is the nickname referring to discord name?- I'm assuming so
eager sierra
After that it's: lights out
Lights out as in no more updates or unknown plans past R8
icy cave
Lights out as in no more updates or unknown plans past R8
No more updates
Content updates*
hidden ridge
If you're considering buying GTFO I'd wait for a sale, personally
I'd happy spend full price for what I got, but I knew that what I'd get was something I'd like a lot (1700h)
eager sierra
I've had it for years, I'm just now joining the community though
icy cave
I've had it for years, I'm just now joining the community though
In that case welcome
hidden ridge
I've had it for years, I'm just now joining the community though
welcome
icy cave
Lights out as in no more updates or unknown plans past R8
Like the content is at least 300- 500hrs to complete if you aren't carried so there is value
But yeah ... you have to like it
eager sierra
Thank you fellers 😘
icy cave
there is no middle way
eager sierra
Did they nerf scout hp? I don't remember one shoting scouts from face with charged hammer
icy cave
Did they nerf scout hp? I don't remember one shoting scouts from face with char...
Always could
so nope no nerf
eager sierra
Sick
dry pumice
Only bat and knife can't oneshot scout from front.
clever flame
Is there a damage fall off calculator so I can determine how far away I can be f...
~~https://www.reddit.com/r/GTFO/comments/1313txk/resource_weapon_falloff_ranges_and_damage/~~
Remember the precision and headshot multipliers (Weapon & enemy)
Sorry, I found it
https://www.reddit.com/r/GTFO/comments/11y6yfg/resource_thresholds_for_weapon_damage_boosters/
(scroll down a little)
olive robin
Thanks
clever flame
With the changes to the HCP (25 ->30), In what situations could I use it?
I have been reading comparisons between Choke and HCP but I am not sure.
cold quarry
It now kills giants in 4 hits (2 to back) and one taps chargers
Compared to choke shotgun, it has more ammo / mag size, trading precision damage and range
olive robin
It also looks cooler
fierce walrus
choke mode defo looks better
dry pumice
I have been reading comparisons between Choke and HCP but I am not sure.
They're basically equal with some minor differences.
Choke Mod got that brainless hipfire. You don't even need to use ADS.
Higher precision damage...
Twice the range before damage starts falling off...
10 times the fire rate means it shoots as fast as you slam the trigger. A niche feature, but...
Being a shotgun it also has the ability to graze enemies with partial hits and the you can just finish the job with main.
High cal enjoys:
Pin point ADS accuracy.
50% mag size (+2 shots).
Hilariously reloads like 7% faster than choke too, so you suffer from much less down time in general.
High cal for reliability, Choker for murderous mag-dumping angry baguette.
craggy pier
Thoughts on press mod? Feels weak
dry pumice
On what?
craggy pier
14 round mag single fire weapon called "press mod" with a green sight and fast reload
dry pumice
The Rifle or DMR
craggy pier
rifle
dry pumice
Ah Drekker 556
craggy pier
dmr has 12 rounds
dry pumice
It's a longer range pistol with extra punch
dry pumice
Head included?
clever flame
Thanks for the information guys
dry pumice
4.5 vs 5.0, no idea what's going on with precision there
And twice the damage fall off range
ocean spindle
the press mod skdmksm
dry pumice
Pistol's 9m versus...
tardy ingot
14 round mag single fire weapon called "press mod" with a green sight and fast r...
its called Rifle
not "press mod" wtf
dry pumice
22m, and that's nerfed
Used to be 25 or something
So yeah. It's basically pistol with two times the range and better ADS.
dry pumice
its called Rifle
not "press mod" wtf
Manufacturing name. It's in the game, and people can read.
tardy ingot
higher range
5 dmg breakpoint matters vs stuff like chargers pretty obviously
craggy pier
im gonna try running it
it gets less dmg per refill though
also if a person would theoretically use the machinepistol, should said person simply hipfire it
dry pumice
What, the UZI thing? Yes.
ADS is fucking crap on that thing, it goes all over the place.
craggy pier
yeah
dry pumice
It's a shotgun without the shells. Get close, point to center mass, hold trigger.
olive scroll
Use gun name, not manufacturer name
i will refer to it by its eminently stylish name, not the blandness of its function
craggy pier
bad sight plus wristbreaking recoil
ocean spindle
i have more trouble with recoil with guns like revo cause i spam em too much lmao
ocean spindle
machinep for me hipfire maybs but on ads i just go, slowly down and
thats it KSMKDM
when the enemy moves left to right yes i have problems but thats with any gun really
dry pumice
i will refer to it by its eminently stylish name, not the blandness of its funct...
Too bad because no one here uses nor knows those with only exception being the machine guns.
soft crater
...machine pp recoil is so easy tho
soft crater
i will refer to it by its eminently stylish name, not the blandness of its funct...
I like the buckland and Drekker. Both are so good
Also the Malatack
craggy pier
wow PDW and heavy smg are basically identical to each other
soft crater
wow PDW and heavy smg are basically identical to each other
Not anymore
craggy pier
what changed
olive scroll
what changed?
dry pumice
They pretty much are.
soft crater
Pdw and HSMG used to both have 2.30 damage per shot.
olive scroll
how is the autopistol?
dry pumice
HSMG is still better for raw damage I think, but PDW got that thermal for utility.
craggy pier
how is the autopistol?
good for stagger, bad for killing, bad overall
soft crater
HSMG is still better for raw damage I think, but PDW got that thermal for utilit...
Total damage is a better use than "raw damage"
olive scroll
Pdw and HSMG used to both have 2.30 damage per shot.
how did it change?
craggy pier
pdw lil lower hsmg lil higher
craggy pier
how did it change?
2.13
soft crater
how did it change?
Heavy smg got buffed mag size and does 2.45 dmg
Pdw got nerfed to 2.15 dmg
PDW still has a higher DPS due to fire rate
dry pumice
Fair. What are the prec modifiers?
soft crater
Heavy SMG at this point is a better AR
dry pumice
Range though
soft crater
Range though
Neglible difference
soft crater
Hsmg would be like dealing AR dmg at AR Ranges for the most part
dry pumice
Oh jeez you're right
soft crater
AR is 2.18 per shot btw
dry pumice
Oof
soft crater
Vs hsmg 2.45
craggy pier
why is it so hard to read numbers from a wiki wtf is my brain doing
soft crater
Not to mention. Most engagements are within close range
Aside from reactors and certain tilesets
And well PDW's main downfall is still Range
It lost like 5 total damage in a mag?
dry pumice
Damn, someone really put a word in for the poor rifle
craggy pier
holy shit double tap rifle has 40 meters of range
soft crater
Yes.
Double tap is really good but to be ammo efficient on it is pretty high skill ceiling
dry pumice
It's basically quirky DMR
soft crater
The thing that disappoints me about DTR is its hipfire
Can't really range hipfire with it
craggy pier
i can't figure out why someone would choose burst or assault rifles
they are aggresively average
soft crater
Bursts/semis are in general. Better over automatics
The only real case I prefer automatics is babies
But autos have been buffed and better than they used to be.
craggy pier
i would have to agree but then bullpup
soft crater
But not enough to out-meta the semi-autos/bursts
Bullpup is alright
That reload is still punishing if not timed right/no team to cover
dry pumice
It's insane how bad it was
tardy ingot
i would have to agree but then bullpup
?
craggy pier
i would agree that i prefer semi automatics in general, but i also enjoy the bullpup a lot
Just got to R6D1 with the squad, anyone finding this new rundown the easiest one out of all 7 so far?
latent obsidian
He may not have just done the story ones
craggy pier
oh ok, we haven't attempted r6d1 yet
tardy ingot
if he did R6C2/C3 then he would not say its easier than R1/R3
latent obsidian
fair
dry pumice
Just got to R6D1 with the squad, anyone finding this new rundown the easiest one...
R6 is generally recognised as one of the easier rundowns. The only ones easier are maybe R1 or R3.
craggy pier
are some sights inaccurate to how the gun actually fires
latent obsidian
the story missions are easy for their tier
craggy pier
both assault rifle and birst rifle main weapons seem to shoot the bullets elsewhere
tardy ingot
R6 is generally recognised as one of the easier rundowns. The only ones easier a...
its absolutely in the middle
craggy pier
Ok we'll give c2/c3 a shot tonight
dry pumice
Watch out for C3, D3 and D4 though.
tardy ingot
R1/R3 are easier
R4/5 are clearly harder. R7 is harder
R2 is similar (overall easier, but peaks higher)
dry pumice
Maybe D2 if I clench my eyes.
Yes, I know that's not the right word. Feel free to educate.
tardy ingot
Ok we'll give c2/c3 a shot tonight
R6D1 is easier than R6C2/C3 (if you do optionals)
also a better finish to A1-D1 line
craggy pier
do the pros only use knife
dry pumice
Lmao? No!
craggy pier
spear is so slow but im just so used to it
dry pumice
Hammer is best melee, no viable competition.
dry pumice
Bat and Knife have their unique situational quirks, but spear is basically a downgrade except for comfort of use and like +30% extra damage on headshots, which doesn't actually change that much if you're really good with hammer.
And I say that as the guy who exclusively uses spear.
craggy pier
good to know, thanks
dry pumice
Spear is great if you play it safe and never sprint in a sleeping room, but aggressive hammer will probably clear the room faster.
soft crater
Spear in alarmed state really just requires better patience/timing unlike other melee's just being able to charge in
craggy pier
Yeah i typically panic when i alarm the sleepers causing me to not charge enough for the kill and end up staggering them like 10 times before they die lol
and by that time the whole room is raping my ass
figuratively speaking
looking to switch melee weapon
bat could be a better fit for you
charges faster, uses less stamina, staggers easier
while still having potential for nice stuff
sledgehammer is best overall because it doesn't really have a downside
dry pumice
Spear in alarmed state really just requires better patience/timing unlike other ...
Which is a nerf on itself. Cold blooded patience and strategy just to achieve the same Mr Grog does by holding W+SHIFT+M1
craggy pier
the sprint change made the spear a bit more bearable to use when everything is awake
dry pumice
It basically changed next to nothing. You move like... 5-10% faster, maybe.
It's just more responsive to inputs.
craggy pier
39% i think
dry pumice
I honestly can't feel it.
Of rather I feel that it's different, but like... Not different enough. "Is this actually doing anything for me?" type of situation.
craggy pier
yeah
the speed is between walk and sprint
it doesn't do much
you move as fast as shooters do which like
..hooray
spear is at heart a stealth weapon but it doesn't really do anything better at stealth
dry pumice
Needs another +0.2x precision damage and another +10% sprint speed buff and maybe then people be like "okay, this is actually something of note"
craggy pier
i just want full sprint, i don't get what's so OP about full sprint spear
dry pumice
Or... Just fucking give it dagger's stealth bonus, come on.
vague bridge
what about knife buff
dry pumice
I wouldn't mind it honestly.
Should deal x3 damage on flanking attacks. Not sure it can be done.
craggy pier
why what's wrong with the knife
dry pumice
Do you like fighting same giant for 30 seconds
craggy pier
that's called a drawback
tardy ingot
just shoot giant
vague bridge
i think knife has too much drawback though
craggy pier
things are generally given drawbacks to balance out their strengths
vague bridge
strengths: kill smalls faster
drawbacks: dont kill bigs whatsoever
craggy pier
seems reasonable to me in all honesty
dry pumice
I believe the relationship between Bat and Knife is a fuckin' mirror of the relationship between Hammer and Spear.
Like parents, like children...
craggy pier
dont think so
they are different enough
i think the spear was just designed around walk stealth
sprinting isnt' relevant, bonus damage so less charge is needed, extra range so you can get them sooner
before they wake
tardy ingot
"sprinting isnt relevant"
neon gust
The problem with spear its that it doesnt have any benefit from hammer
tardy ingot
craggy pier
"sprinting isnt relevant"
oh my bad allow me to wake up the room
neon gust
Make me walk sure
But give me a significant boost
tardy ingot
i dont think you know how sprinting interacts with waking up enemies 
neon gust
oh my bad allow me to wake up the room
Alsp fast stealth exist
craggy pier
i am aware
neon gust
Its black and white like thst
tardy ingot
sprinting has an 8 meter radius to instant wake up (or do anything at all)
fierce walrus
Nothing beats 4 men running into a room and commiting a war crime using melees
neon gust
So saying yeah lemme wake up room its bad argument
tardy ingot
that not gonna wake up rooms unless you int anyhow
dry pumice
I genuinely think the sprint speed experiment is what's coming for hammer.
dry pumice
If you can't sprint with a stick - you shouldn't sprint with a steel brick either.
And as a bonus it acts as an inderect buff to light melees.
3 Ws, 1 L
craggy pier
bat will become u s a b l e
dont you slander my baby
neon gust
And make stealth slower thsn it is
craggy pier
I genuinely think the sprint speed experiment is what's coming for hammer.
that would be funny and cool at the same time
neon gust
Buff all the other melees instead
craggy pier
i think bat would be the new king after that
fierce walrus
If you can't sprint with a stick - you shouldn't sprint with a steel brick eithe...
i mean a hammer is just a stick with a brick on its end
craggy pier
yeah and a spear is just a stick
like not even the brick part
they have no excuse for 75% run speed
fierce walrus
dont you slander my baby
i love bat, but atm it gets outperformed by hammer too much
vague bridge
i think bat would be the new king after that
definitely not
neon gust
It takes less effort yo swing a hammer with strenght than to place a presicion hit with a spear
You have to accurate with a spear
People uses shorter spears and mix them with shields to actuslly sprint into enemy position and
fierce walrus
id say it would actually have some balance in melees if hammers sprint got nerfed
vague bridge
not really
craggy pier
what cant the bat do
vague bridge
touche
fierce walrus
bat is quite versatile tbf - deals with smalls well, deals with bigs well enough, staggers most enemies
it falls off on chargers a bit i suppose
neon gust
It will make hammer more annoying to use but not fix the issue
If i can still do what i do woth hammer but slower i would still use hammer
orchid raft
^
craggy pier
bat is quite versatile tbf - deals with smalls well, deals with bigs well enough...
i still think the bat deals with giants better than the hammer
fierce walrus
watch them get rid of hammers stagger and sprint
dry pumice
Any suggestions then?
neon gust
The issue its that the othee melees eother are niche or are not poweful enough(spear)
fierce walrus
watch them get rid of hammers stagger and sprint
finally „balance”
vague bridge
Any suggestions then?
buff knife
orchid raft
i still think the bat deals with giants better than the hammer
can 2 shot giants with hammer
sturdy glen
we can finally kick out all the ppl who really like the game and have stuck around a long time!
craggy pier
can 2 shot giants with hammer
not stealthily
sturdy glen
lets gooooooo
orchid raft
not stealthily
yes
fierce walrus
we can finally kick out all the ppl who really like the game and have stuck arou...
lets fuckin gooooo
craggy pier
it has enough time to scream
neon gust
Your seen balancing the wrong way to begging woth
lusty bramble
it
orchid raft
balancing is not all about nerfing
lusty bramble
it's like an ai generated sentence
fierce walrus
yeah bat and knife (and spear i guess) should just get buffed and the deal would (most likely) be finished
neon gust
2 melees are niche and depends on a playstyle so its fun the other 2 are more or so comparable, they need to buff spear
vague bridge
beep can you translate
craggy pier
buff spear
lusty bramble
i got no idea what the fuck he's saying
fierce walrus
budd spear
craggy pier
speae*
lusty bramble
i need really loud minecraft music over it to understand
fierce walrus
petition to budd spear
neon gust
i need really loud minecraft music over it to understand
I think your autistic
dry pumice
Give your idea on how would you buff it, for the sake of an argument.
Without just turning it into hammer 2, of course
craggy pier
make it do 50 damage
dry pumice
Too far
fierce walrus
Give your idea on how would you buff it, for the sake of an argument.
Make bats stagger better than hammers, and i got no idea on knife
lusty bramble
I think your autistic
LOL
they gotta do something better that isn't just changing numbers
make the melee weapons actually unique
dry pumice
Not happening, we all know that.
fierce walrus
faster sprint while holding bat and knife
lusty bramble
nah
dry pumice
We could have bleeding, but alas...
vague bridge
Make bats stagger better than hammers, and i got no idea on knife
double charge damage and get rid of sleeping multiplier because never actually does anything
fierce walrus
faster sprint while holding bat and knife
terrible idea, but its an idea
dry pumice
Not a single debuff in the whole game. Except for us.
neon gust
We could have bleeding, but alas...
Super fun modded mechanic
craggy pier
double charge damage and get rid of sleeping multiplier because never actually d...
whuh
so what, just make it a better bat basically?
dry pumice
No slows, no DoTs...
craggy pier
11 damage on a 0.5 charge up
dry pumice
Cfoam, technically
fierce walrus
double charge damage and get rid of sleeping multiplier because never actually d...
AKHTCUALLY sleeping multi allows knife to oneshot occi giants with syringe
vague bridge
better for hammers to hold on in case there's a charcher scout
neon gust
Make spear hit breakpoints to kill giants better thsn hammer and fix the stamina issue it has
dry pumice
Okay, here's a fringe idea for the sake of it: what if spear just didn't need charge.
neon gust
Bat and knife are just fun things
fierce walrus
Okay, here's a fringe idea for the sake of it: what if spear just didn't need ch...
what
orchid raft
what stamina issues does it have?
craggy pier
Okay, here's a fringe idea for the sake of it: what if spear just didn't need ch...
i am listening.
fierce walrus
do you mean spear has insta full charge?
dry pumice
No charging mechanic, it just deals like 7 base quick tap damage with current full charge occi multiplier.
3 stabs to kill a biter.
Hm, but then it becomes shit against scout and what not...
fierce walrus
Would be interesting, would it be viable in regular stealth tho
neon gust
what stamina issues does it have?
If i remember, it consumes more stam than hammer and it uses stamina on shove
fierce walrus
and yeah scoots
craggy pier
sounds strong
dry pumice
If i remember, it consumes more stam than hammer and it uses stamina on shove
Prevents stamina regen on shove or something...
fierce walrus
scoots are unkillable with such a spear im pretty sure
orchid raft
If i remember, it consumes more stam than hammer and it uses stamina on shove
stamina to shove is ass
dry pumice
According to wiki
orchid raft
they should play more into there strengths tbh i wouldnt mind spear one shoting a sleeping giant
craggy pier
they should play more into there strengths tbh i wouldnt mind spear one shoting ...
that's a tad strong
orchid raft
and?
fierce walrus
but it would make hammer the only front head weapon
that would be an indirect buff to scoots i suppose, making them a bit more of a threat
craggy pier
maybe its too strong and thus not a great plan
orchid raft
it would work in its favor and give it more use
craggy pier
like how would you make it do that
vague bridge
that would be an indirect buff to scoots i suppose, making them a bit more of a ...
more of an indirect buff to hammer
orchid raft
mess with the charge time
fierce walrus
if spear would become an only giant killer (like sniper but melee) it could be interesting
craggy pier
if through damage or precision multi that carries over to other scenarios
fierce walrus
more of an indirect buff to hammer
that too
craggy pier
if through sleeping multi then you encroach on the knife's idea
orchid raft
knife is used for smalls make spear for bigs
vague bridge
knife doesn't even use sleeping multi
we're probably the biggest runners of all them
craggy pier
it deals 2x dmg to sleeping enemies
fierce walrus
maybe like 3 seconds of charge time for spear and a lot of damage and preci multi?
craggy pier
i don't like that
fierce walrus
so its literally a reverse knife
orchid raft
knife doesn't even use sleeping multi
does more damage to a giant then a hammer
tardy ingot
it does less
tardy ingot
but the dmg boost is bigger for knife vs non first hit
orchid raft
it does less
a sleeping one on the occi?
fierce walrus
it does less
AKHTUALLY it can oneshot occi with syringe on giant
tardy ingot
that doesnt mean anything, since only bat cant do that 
craggy pier
49.5 damage
fierce walrus
10 c hates bat and i hate them for it
dry pumice
Real talk and IMHO:
+0,5 quick tap damage for 2.5 total (according to some also inderectly buffs charge speed)
+Another 0.1x prec for both quick and charged attacks.
+Add dagger's stealth bonus, even if a weaker custom variant of it.
After that, I think, spear will be in a spot where it has something to offer, but GrogHammers can still dominate open combat scenarios.
tardy ingot
bat needs an indirect buff by nerfing hammer stagger
smth that hammer doesnt need anyway
in the way it has it right now
hidden ridge
that doesnt mean anything, since only bat cant do that <:KEKW:850702156171706413...
a cat can do that too
fierce walrus
bat needs an indirect buff by nerfing hammer stagger
yes
fierce walrus
a cat can do that too
i love cats
sturdy glen
ngl, I kinda dont hate the idea of a tap only weapon
craggy pier
am i the only person who thinks the bat is currently fine
hidden ridge
i love cats
who doesn't?
vague bridge
(me)
hidden ridge
"vibe check deadass for real for real no cap"
fierce walrus
yeah
tardy ingot
civic wave
who doesn't?
cats are horrible
craggy pier
it consumes less stamina, it kills giants easier, it charges faster and therefore is better at clearing smalls
hidden ridge
cats are horrible
horribly cute I agree
fierce walrus
it 1 taps locks
lets go such a big time save
civic wave
only some of them are cute but they're also giant assholes
vague bridge
😦 does hollow like cats?
unfortunately yes
hidden ridge
unfortunately yes
😄
civic wave
evolved to sound more like babies so you go "aww aren't you cute?" and take care of them
fierce walrus
it consumes less stamina, it kills giants easier, it charges faster and therefor...
bat is mostly fine but hammer is better… and thats the issue
craggy pier
watch them get rid of hammers stagger and sprint
the community sent its regards
fierce walrus
hammer staggers too much
hidden ridge
evolved to sound more like babies so you go "aww aren't you cute?" and take care...
chad move
craggy pier
bat is mostly fine but hammer is better… and thats the issue
so are the advantages i listed not real?
civic wave
in no way is making yourself sound like a newly born child a chad move
tardy ingot
lets go such a big time save
stam safe mostly
fierce walrus
evolved to sound more like babies so you go "aww aren't you cute?" and take care...
chad cats when they adapt to be even better
civic wave
stupid fucking felines
hidden ridge
stupid fucking felines
yet they were worshipped in Egypt
dry pumice
When in doubt: buff damage by 5%
hidden ridge
so it worked
dry pumice
Keep going until whining ceases
fierce walrus
so are the advantages i listed not real?
They are real, and i said bat is good, the problem is hammer does its job b e t t e r, and that should not be the case - hammer needs to be nerfed so it stops doing that
tardy ingot
it consumes less stamina, it kills giants easier, it charges faster and therefor...
- barely matters
- what
- you need headshots or 2 charged hits. Hammer 1 shots, so its easier to use hammer but you can also just occi tap with both (which means hammer uses no stamina -> so thats gone aswell)
hidden ridge
Keep going until whining ceases
you mean ceases?
dry pumice
Yes
hidden ridge
to seize is to take something with force
craggy pier
1. barely matters
2. what
3. you need headshots or 2 charged hits. Hammer 1 shot...
- Yes
- Headshots in sleeping enemies is the easiest thing ever so who cares
neon gust
Seizure
fierce walrus
to seize is to take something with force
i have seized the whining, any issue with that?
craggy pier
the bat charges up damage much faster than the hammer so it can break limbs earler
by the time the bat is ready to deal 12 damage the hammer deals 6.5 something
hidden ridge
i have seized the whining, any issue with that?
Did you also "vibe check ratio deadass for real monkas"?
neon gust
language police
Fr fr
fierce walrus
Did you also "vibe check ratio deadass for real monkas"?
is that cavemen speech?
neon gust
All those stats number meanwhile real world application of bat its just spam m1 till it staggers
hidden ridge
*is that cavemen speech?*
it's speech I keep reading on things like "twitch" where people see women pretend to be cute kawaii uguu animal girls
vague bridge
by the time the bat is ready to deal 12 damage the hammer deals 6.5 something
but by the time the bat charges again, the hammer can now hit for 20-40
tardy ingot
2. Yes
3. Headshots in sleeping enemies is the easiest thing ever so who cares
- no it does not? LOL
- for sleeping enemies you legit just tap charge hammer... sleeping stealth legit doesnt matter since you dont crouch stealth 99% of all encounters past a certain point
craggy pier
the bat charges up damage much faster than the hammer so it can break limbs earl...
it does
neon gust
Bat its for breaking padlocks with 1 light tap
tardy ingot
meanwhile hamemr users shit on giants
craggy pier
i mean ok
craggy pier
how many giants do you want me to kill with it
neon gust
All of them
dry pumice
2 or 3.
craggy pier
i've done it with both hammer and bat, bat was far easier
neon gust
Bruh
tardy ingot
then you just occi full charge into 2 limb breaks lol
neon gust
Why is that a factor
Soloing a giant its a flex not something the game expects from you
tardy ingot
and even then hammer is just better and faster at it
hell spear is technically better to solo giants with if you start with occi
neon gust
A more realistic scenario its having 2 people + always
tardy ingot
but who cares
vague bridge
speaking of stealth
neon gust
let me go kills some giants will the melees
I dont know why would you do that tho
vague bridge
does shoving a sleeper wake up his friends
craggy pier
I dont know why would you do that tho
to compare them
craggy pier
and because dark literally told me to show him
sturdy glen
does shoving a sleeper wake up his friends
its same rules as normal
craggy pier
so i'm doing that
orchid raft
so i'm doing that
solo or duo+?
craggy pier
solo
tardy ingot
its same rules as normal
mate
craggy pier
no you cant
craggy pier
wait what
sturdy glen
at all
neon gust
Look at my man
sturdy glen
moms, tanks, giants
neon gust
Le funny haha shoving giants and someone freaks out
orchid raft
Le funny haha shoving giants and someone freaks out
teaching this to new players is always a trip
minor fractal
to compare them
P sure bat silent solo is harder to do.
craggy pier
P sure bat silent solo is harder to do.
i explained above why i believe it isnt
sturdy glen
It would be easier if bat hitbox wasnt smaller
neon gust
Because it is easier to perma stagger a giant than it is to kill it
craggy pier
limb breaks make it easy
tardy ingot
you have to remember that
- hammer starts with full charge
- theres a limited amount of allowed limb breaks for hard stagger
bat doesnt allow any mistake or youll get slapped
also limb breaks happening earlier
legit doesnt matter
when hammer can chain them anyway?
you know they dont add?
they just use the most recent one
craggy pier
yes i know
minor fractal
You can also melee bait with any weapon, but hammer has better follow-up and needs to do it less times.
craggy pier
hammer needs more precise timing because the damage you need to break happens later
sturdy glen
bat doesnt allow any mistake or youll get slapped
I mean, this isnt really true
its the exact same situation as hammer
you dont break, you light stagger
craggy pier
yeah that's not what he means
tardy ingot
giant would just scream/punch
sturdy glen
yeah I am aware
tardy ingot
since you just full charge and take 100% safe hits
(not explaining to you, more them)
sturdy glen
elbow is talking no scream solo
sorry, ignore this
you go for limb break either way
if you miss limb break with sledge or bat
they both soft stagger
this is what I mean
minor fractal
I only needed one melee bait for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI172AajnaU
minor fractal
Tbf, I think fucked up limb breaks are inevitable.
But they're just as bad on bat.
You need back damage either way.
sturdy glen
yeah, I dont think either is better
the only thing that is different to me is just
you fuck up hammer, chances are it has less health at that point than if you fucked up with bat
cuz hammer damage is more front loaded
minor fractal
I see melee baiting as a necessity, but hammer requires less baits out of you.
neon gust
Hammer doesnt require any melee really
As in punching
You can just always torpedo the giant
As in you land a hit move around it then by the time you hit him again you fully charge
And hit another limb
Instead of dancing infront of him
neon gust
Client you just gotta release early
sturdy glen
wouldnt solo as non host
minor fractal
@neon gust It doesn't feel to me like you have time to full charge while preventing scream.
tardy ingot
thats why you move around
neon gust
Oh you talking fullt stealth
tardy ingot
but yea timing between host and client is weird
minor fractal
If it's not in stealth, it's piss easy.
neon gust
I tought it was 1vs 1
tardy ingot
Oh you talking fullt stealth
thats what elbow did appearantly
neon gust
My bad gang
tardy ingot
cuz otherwise hammer is braindead for simple 1v1
sturdy glen
yeah, idk why were even having this convo
no scream solo is so niche
but ig we have someone to prove wrong
so were here
neon gust
Kinda rng dependant to be a tech tho
tardy ingot
guys guys
keep that for the funny R8 discussions where we will talk about the same things weve talked about before again :^)
sturdy glen
so true
neon gust
Dead game
minor fractal
I think it's useful tech.
I will say that it's up there w/ double hitting and force aggro, but it's still useful.
sturdy glen
all the looping, it all ties back to the style guide...
hardy grotto
style guide...
craggy pier
aight here ya go #gtfo-media message
bat stealth killing giants
yay
both work, but the bat has a higher margin for error
that's what i was trying to communicate
craggy pier
Bat in my opinion is as much of a sidegrade as you can get from the hammer
and it's in a pretty good spot
craggy pier
what do you have to say about the giant killing
It's pretty good when comes to doing it by yourself
tardy ingot
needed full back dmg hits
craggy pier
so does the hammer, come on now
tardy ingot
still gave the giant time to do smth on the last one
tardy ingot
so does the hammer, come on now
it does not, if you bait swings you can front break
you also start out with enough dmg to front break
craggy pier
why would you choose to front break from stealth and why would you choose to risk hp for no reason by baiting a swing
tardy ingot
you also need MORE breaks with bat than youd need with hammer. And guess what, your last limb hit only soft staggered
craggy pier
you also need MORE breaks with bat than youd need with hammer. And guess what, y...
..no? it did on like the first one, on the rest it killed it outright
tardy ingot
hammer 1 taps smalls on body
Has more stagger (front loaded)
Has more damage (front loaded)
More reach
craggy pier
the same thing happened with the hammer
craggy pier
and?
craggy pier
why more risk
craggy pier
it cant because it's staggered
tardy ingot
it can
craggy pier
oh wait you mean turning as it staggers
tardy ingot
giants can turn their hitbox during stagger
craggy pier
yeah that happened in one of the clips
guess what nothing went wrong
hammer also needs back damage to stealth without baiting a melee
tardy ingot
by your point spear is an upgrade on hammer man
craggy pier
so this point you're arguing is meaningless
tardy ingot
which is a fucking meme point then
craggy pier
this is a shared weakness
craggy pier
by your point spear is an upgrade on hammer man
that is not my point at all, why do you think that
icy cave
guess what nothing went wrong
It's nice of you to try but like all the others before you, you will eventually have to accept hammer superiority
craggy pier
this is the funny
i agree that hammer is superior in general
but other melee have advantages in some scenarios
this is one of this specifics
craggy pier
i usually take hammer
ocean spindle
the problem is that bat staggers in a different way than a hammer, when u stagger with the bat it is a very very short one, that leaves u vulnerable to another hit a lot easier
icy cave
EVEN slendi knows
tardy ingot
craggy pier
not completely
tardy ingot
bat is downgraded hammer
that legit says it there
down
Grade
it has its extras
ocean spindle
with hammer u can consistently break every limb and give u time to kill it anyway, with bat u need more hits with smalller stagger and more vulnerability
tardy ingot
but those sadly barely matter as much as hammers
craggy pier
with hammer u can consistently break every limb and give u time to kill it anywa...
did you watch the video i posted in media
it pretty clearly shows that the bat is more than capable of this
tardy ingot
even in this hyper specific, ultra rare, not worth it scenario of
„Full stealth giant solo“ hammer still gets an edge due to less risk
icy cave
it pretty clearly shows that the bat is more than capable of this
Being capable does not mean better at
tardy ingot
Spear is legit better at giant solo stealth than hammer
craggy pier
yes, but in this situation it is because of the reasons i've outline above like many times
craggy pier
Spear is legit better at giant solo stealth than hammer
no it's not
tardy ingot
oh it is ^^
craggy pier
how is it better
tardy ingot
you obliterate giants
ocean spindle
did you watch the video i posted in media
u were very much, this close to a slap
THIIIIISS
tardy ingot
needs 2 1/2 hits max
ocean spindle
cause u evaded it
craggy pier
u were very much, _this close_ to a slap
yeah right
i was thiiiiiiss close 17 times in a row
icy cave
yes, but in this situation it is because of the reasons i've outline above like ...
Your reasons are flawed
ocean spindle
and if the giant was front to u cause its backs on the wall, ur gonna have to risk it a lot more
hammer even if the giants turns will have enough dmg to not risk anythin like that
craggy pier
if the giant has its back against the wall you're fucked anyway no matter the melee
if you're trying to stealth it
you can't build up enough damage to limb break before screaming and you cant' build enough stagger
so it's the same weakness across both weapons
ocean spindle
if this is a problem both sides, bat is more vulnerable cause it needs more hits
icy cave
if the giant has its back against the wall you're fucked anyway no matter the me...
This is completely False, hammer will break and stagger as if nothing is wrong
tardy ingot
you can't build up enough damage to limb break before screaming and you cant' bu...
hammer breaks from front lol
you then move behind
icy cave
And before scream
tardy ingot
instant advantage
craggy pier
the time you need to spend charging for the hammer to break from from is too long
icy cave
the time you need to spend charging for the hammer to break from from is too lon...
Nope you in time
ocean spindle
if spear can solo giants, so can hammer
tardy ingot
then hit the head with the bat on the first hit
Great, now you cant even chain since dmg is lacking
an issue hammer doesnt get
because theres a max amount of limb breaks (which isnt the number of limbs btw)
craggy pier
i don't understand what i'm explaining wrong
icy cave
the time you need to spend charging for the hammer to break from from is too lon...
You haven't played hammer well enough. this is clear from this statement. back to the training room you go
tardy ingot
Hell
craggy pier
You haven't played hammer well enough. this is clear from this statement. back t...
ok, can you prove that you can charge it before a scream
tardy ingot
your hammer clears had mistakes
tardy ingot
and you still cleaned them up easily
craggy pier
because from all my 15 tries i couldn't do it
tardy ingot
since hammer gives that much leeway
icy cave
From the 100s of giants that never screamed
tardy ingot
theres also baiting swings
craggy pier
From the 100s of giants that never screamed
video recording pls
ocean spindle
no stats are wrong, thats the point, that comparin both bat n hammer in the same situations bat comes out losin, bat is made for other things, not for solo; and of course u can, same as u can solo gants with a knife, but it is not the best tool for it
craggy pier
like i did when i was asked
tardy ingot
Which was a basic skill in old gtfo
icy cave
video recording pls
Oh ffs, you are supposed to train
rain valley
cant you kill with hammer with half charge to the head?
craggy pier
yes on a striker
ocean spindle
tbh watchin, any gtfo media video u can see people killin giants by emselves
craggy pier
we are discussing giants
tardy ingot
no stats are wrong, thats the point, that comparin both bat n hammer in the same...
Somebody actually posted a full stealth knife giant solo before
rain valley
ah ok
tardy ingot
swing baiting
rain valley
?
craggy pier
Somebody actually posted a full stealth knife giant solo before
might have been me but it screamed
you prolly mean someone else
tardy ingot
nope i mean actual full stealth
craggy pier
can you drop into r3a2 and just show me that you can fully charge the sledge before the giant screams
ocean spindle
oh maybs then wasnt random
craggy pier
it should be super easy
ocean spindle
can you drop into r3a2 and just show me that you can fully charge the sledge bef...
brah just search it on youtube kmdksm
... r3a2 isnt even the best level for thAT, its r2b2????
no infection
craggy pier
brah just search it on youtube kmdksm
i haven't found anything that shows this
this is why i am asking
like just hop on r2b2, hit it on the head, then limb break from the front
simple
this would immediately prove me wrong
and that's that
ocean spindle
well i was eatin but whatevs im sure after this many people when they r waitin for lfg or whatevcan record it and if not
ill see if i can
hell i dont even solo giants ksmdkm
mossy aurora
You don't have time to full charge sledge
tardy ingot
dude not understanding tat you can move around after first stagger
ocean spindle
but i feel capable
craggy pier
dude not understanding tat you can move around after first stagger
didn't you say you could front stagger with the sledge in stealth
by breaking a limb
tardy ingot
you can if you bait hits
craggy pier
if we are talking about the first hit, the bat can also do this
tardy ingot
which is honestly quite simple
tardy ingot
if we are talking about the first hit, the bat can also do this
IT LOSES DMG THO
craggy pier
so this is a shared weakness
craggy pier
IT LOSES DMG THO
ok and? it still is going to kill the giant just fine by breaking limbs
how many limbs can you break
icy cave
ok and? it still is going to kill the giant just fine by breaking limbs
Slower .....
tardy ingot
you cant limb break 5 times
craggy pier
Slower .....
and safer!
tardy ingot
also the moment a 2nd hammer shows up bat just becomes obsolete
icy cave
Anyways I'm out if Icwant 8 hours of sleep.
craggy pier
also the moment a 2nd hammer shows up bat just becomes obsolete
yep
again i agree that the hammer is overall better
but it gets outclassed in specific situations
ocean spindle
wasnt the point of giants
tardy ingot
but none of those situations matters
aside from knife on smalls
hell you could argue spear vs hybrids is a thing now i guess
but thats so weird
vs knife actually being a small stomper
craggy pier
hell you could argue spear vs hybrids is a thing now i guess
what changed
ocean spindle
the dmg
craggy pier
does it two shot them or sum
rain valley
bat vs hybrid, stagger em to death
tardy ingot
Thats how tiny the difference is
tardy ingot
bat vs hybrid, stagger em to death
just takes ages yes
rain valley
lol
tardy ingot
or do the same with hammer
and kill easily and safely
in active combat hammer wins out
since you simply full charge 24/7
ocean spindle
or just die
rain valley
I usually use knife, but I bring hammer if there are gonna be lots of big guys
craggy pier
ohwell
to be honest i should be complaining about hammer being too strong so the other weapons get more buffs
now that i'm thinking about it
mossy aurora
craggy pier
They'll never touch the hammer
mossy aurora
You shouldn't full charge hammer on giants if you don't want to risk it screaming
craggy pier
exactly
craggy pier
They'll never touch the hammer
yep, they'll just buff the other stuff
mossy aurora
Are you saying that's a bad thing?
craggy pier
no