gtfo-related-questions

[soft crater]

[lone mortar]

give

now

[soft crater]

[wind wren]

If a door is fully cfoamed and I spray more on it, is it just as effective?

Or does it loose efficiency after its covered completely

[hidden ridge]

afaik it does nothing

until enemies attack it to damage the foam of course

[wind wren]

I mean if it gives the door extra hp

[hidden ridge]

no it has a cap

[mossy aurora]

idk how true this is but i remember reading someone say that the foaming animation is just an animation and 9 blobs is the max a door will hold

[wind wren]

I'd assume it does, but does it give hp with the same efficiency or is there some sort of diminishing returns

[wind wren]

Ah I see, and how many blobs would that be?

OK so 9

Thanks

[wind wren]

Also goat name ngl

[hidden ridge]

Of course if one blob "disappears" because enemies are attacking the door and you put one blob it refoams it, or permafoaming wouldn't be a thing

[wind wren]

Yeah, just wondering cuz having a bit of trouble w r2e1

And the 1st surge alarm would be much easier if it had no cap

[dry pumice]

Once the door fully freezes over - its capped.
However: you can contunously reapply cfoam to the door as enemies keep damaging it and keep them out that way effectively forever (until your foam runs out)

[wind wren]

I knew that much, it's just I kinda can't do that bcs full team scans on r2e1

Thanks!

[wind wren]

Is the "regular" shotgun any good? It seems amazing just from the stats bcs 30dmg per shot, 8mag, ofc very short range tho

But I don't ever see it used

[tardy ingot]

it is good

[dry pumice]

What, the pump action?

Its great

[tardy ingot]

it has a bit of ammo issue

[ocean spindle]

it is used, it's a very flexible ok gun, just on many groups usually they go by more specialized guns for the level
it's a very nice like blind choice, or even just if u like it for some situation

[tardy ingot]

if you compare it to other weapons

[dry pumice]

Can salvage near-wipe scenarios because of that 30x8

[tardy ingot]

but its a sick allrounder

[sterile citrus]

^ What eva said

[vague bridge]

which is probably why its not used as much in later levels centered around a gimmick

[tardy ingot]

eh

[dry pumice]

Got me through R2E1 didn't it

[tardy ingot]

kinda.. ?

you just prefer more specialized stuff

[dry pumice]

But yeah, not ideal when the adults start to show up

[wind wren]

I see, I was considering it bcs it seems good for dealing w smalls during surge alarms

[tardy ingot]

?

[tardy ingot]

combat shotgun > shotgun for anything small

[ocean spindle]

i mean... yeah, shottie is fast, but it has too much dmg and lil ammo for what u can do with other weapons

[vague bridge]

pump shot vs ||tank|| is also a very fun fight

[wind wren]

I see, Ill try that. Thanks guys (:

[vague bridge]

if you're going for a shotgun for r2e1 just take the hel

its got all the stats that excel in r2e1

[wind wren]

Idk why but i just can't get used to the charge up so it's not rly a option for me

I miss all my shots with any charge up wep

[ocean spindle]

hel shottie doesn't have a charge up
das hel gun or hel rifle

[vague bridge]

it doesnt charge

[sterile citrus]

^ what Coz said HEL Shotgun is so good for the Surge alarms in R2E1

[wind wren]

Ohhh I was thinking abt hel gun my bad

[ocean spindle]

hel shottie is the main weapon, the one with the rectangle sight

yeah is ok

[wind wren]

I didn't even consider hel shottie, I'll have to try that out too

[sterile citrus]

The Pen + Stagger makes it a great weapon for R2E1

[dry pumice]

I'm not getting within 10m of a tank

[wind wren]

1 more gun related q, is heavy ar good? Cuz from the stats it seems that the machine guns are just better, except for the charge up ofc

And the range but range won't matter much in r2e1

[dry pumice]

Its arbalist without charge up and like 30% quicker reload

Its very versatile, but runs out of ammo immediately

30 / 119 is such a fucking painful number to look at

[ocean spindle]

is very much a weapon to tap tap tap lightly

[dry pumice]

that's a game dev war crime

to the gulag with you

[ocean spindle]

not like a machinegun that u can spray

[wind wren]

Yeah

[tardy ingot]

basically, all specials are decent at least. Some obviously might be bad vs certain enemies (aka precision rifle vs chargers or sniper vs babies) but they are all fine

HAR is on the weaker side of those but also works decently well as a small clearer

[dry pumice]

Choker is under review. It feels meh to use

[vague bridge]

i like choke

[dry pumice]

Tried it on R6A1 like yesterday

[wind wren]

Alr good to know, I'll just stay away from it for now then.

I love choke

[dry pumice]

There is... A disgusting feeling to clearly hitting the striker and not see him die

[vague bridge]

shotguns be shotguns

[tardy ingot]

nah thats you

we had this discussion yesterday

choke is strong enough

[dry pumice]

And 2.7 reload time for 4 whole shells is too much.

[tardy ingot]

its not rly worth it to take since its a specialized generalist

and theres better generalists and better specialists

artek

the same

fucking

gun

was A tier

for like 4 rundowns

in a row

and it got no changes

[dry pumice]

Yeah, and now it has competition

[tardy ingot]

it also had competition back then

High cal, shotgun and sniper

now its just
high cal, shotgun, sniper, burst cannon, scattergun, hel rifle

and hel gun

theres 2-3 guns per niche of choke mod

basically

[dry pumice]

I do remember people claiming that "actually the high cal is the inferior choke"

[tardy ingot]

choke mod is perfectly fine to take

yes

because that was the case for R7

after that high cal got changed/nerfed

back then choke mod was the best anti tank (until R3) and best anti charger weapon

[dry pumice]

I'd still give it a 10% boost to reload speed. The reload to shoot ratio never felt right.

After that i think i'll have exactly 0 complains

[vague bridge]

doesnt it load shells at a time

[dry pumice]

the reload animation is always the same

the guy inserts 2 shells

same as pump action actually

[vague bridge]

i mean all the mag versus one at a time

[ocean spindle]

i kinda think this to burst cannon tbh
when it got nerfed i hear for so many people the recoil made it unplayable, but like literally the worst of the bunch, can't get used to it and now it's short range
and now after buff, the recoil wasn't even touched i think but immediately people started sayin no it's back, just crouch as u shoot it

and it's like, bruh and u sayin this till now?

[dry pumice]

Yes, it reloads the whole "mag". There is not a single gun in this game that reload by the bullet.

[tardy ingot]

tbf the crouch thing is smth we didnt rly know about (some may have known but wasnt spread)

and yes, the 20 dmg breakpoint is MASSIVE for it

[ocean spindle]

yeah, i get like one shots smalls it's huge but all of the complaints i saw with it where only recoil, only recoil actually many said the dmg was fine but the recoil killed it
but like, two days after r6 i hear that crouchin strat

and i'm sitting there like ah until now u discovered it

[dry pumice]

3 / 12 sniper
3 / 12 sniper
do it, you cowards

[ocean spindle]

i wish i knew it

i would've tagged with it for so many missions

[tardy ingot]

people were malding about the recoil because it deserved the nerf to 19 dmg

it wouldnt have been good without the buff

and with the recoil the 19 dmg one just felt bad

[ocean spindle]

no yeah i get its bit of overkill and im glad it is now like it is, but for me is funny that strat wasn't talked until now kdmskdm

[dry pumice]

Yeah, shooting smalls with BCx19 was horrible

Imho they shoud've try to experiment with it a bit more

[ocean spindle]

i think it was, fine, i stand by my word, but now it's much better

like i get the opinions

[dry pumice]

Try 15, 10 damage, try giving it different ammo ammounts, removing the wind up...

[ocean spindle]

i am not sayin the nerf was too little or they should've fixed recoil nah kdmskd

[tardy ingot]

current burst cannon takes skill to be broken

but god does it become ridicolus

[dry pumice]

So like Titanfall kraber

[ocean spindle]

now it's 110 is fuckin hell kdmskdm i'm scared

[tardy ingot]

you just want them to remove the wind up, so no

[dry pumice]

If you're an FPS god - good luck

[ocean spindle]

idk if this, this might b dumb but
burst cannon wouldn't feel so powerful without the charge

[lone mortar]

shouldnt u be eating rn?

[ocean spindle]

it needs the charge to feel so powerful, not to be powerful, to feel

[tardy ingot]

i finished

why are you still awake

[ocean spindle]

what u nommed

[tardy ingot]

kaiser da hell

Chili con carne

[lone mortar]

it is weekend

[ocean spindle]

en español, ahueso

[tardy ingot]

isnt it like 4 am or some shit like that

[lone mortar]

it is 1am

[ocean spindle]

and :3

snooze or i'll sit in ur pillows to squish em

[lone mortar]

good luck

my pillow are made from bambo

the space between them will cut yo ass

[ocean spindle]

maybs i'll bring a towel to sit on em
i will not i'll forget but, what do u know kdmskdm

[lone mortar]

@tardy ingot

[minor fractal]

The content we face has changed a bit.

[tardy ingot]

honestly no

[minor fractal]

Same as Sniper being a bit meh in a lot of R1-R3.

Choke is kind of meh in R4-R6

[tardy ingot]

Choke: good vs bosses and chargers, decent vs giants

what does R5 have, all 3
what does R6 have, bosses and giants

and it legit existed in R4 as a weaker gun and was alright. But back then burst cannon was cracked af

dont say its appearantly weak now that rundowns are available where its still completely nice as a choice

[minor fractal]

I'd contest that it's good vs. chargers.

[sturdy glen]

id say its the same vs chargers as high cal tbh

[minor fractal]

It's good for some charger errors and it does the job well if you need it for other tasks.

[lone mortar]

4 shells and not a hyper reload (i consider pump as a faster reload)

[minor fractal]

But the 4-shot limitation is really gnarly.

[lone mortar]

i would jsut take hel rifle lol

[tardy ingot]

hel rifle, the best anti charger weapon is better vs chargers? SHOCK

[lone mortar]

i dont say its better

[dry pumice]

VS smalls too frankly

[minor fractal]

Like, when 3-choke is taken on the R7E1 speedrun, it's not because Choke is amazing, it's because choke has a good spread to cover all of the needs of the level, while HEL Revo can carry any loadout.

[lone mortar]

but it is what i would take

[tardy ingot]

@sturdy glen yup pretty similar
higher range, higher fire rate vs smaller mag and slightly worse reload

[dry pumice]

RNG chance to get a double kill

[sturdy glen]

its not rng

you do mean pen yes?

[dry pumice]

Yeah yeah

you know what i'm saying

[minor fractal]

I think this stands out a lot in R3D1, for example.

Choke is just very limited compared to other options.

[sturdy glen]

I do, but the fact that you can play for it

implies more meaning than you are saying

pen is very strong

[tardy ingot]

depends what you mean limited
its limited in its max output vs anything specific

but it isnt limited by what it can be used against well

[pastel quartz]

It can’t kill small consistently beyond a certain range

[minor fractal]

It has a good spread for everything in R3D1, but because it's a lot less potent it can just be better to accept the sacrifices of a more specialized weapon.

[tardy ingot]

this is true
but the point is that this doesnt mean choke is weak

which is what i (and as far as i can tell chill dude) have been saying for 2 days now

[sturdy glen]

btw

[pastel quartz]

While Hcp can guarantee to 1 shot most of the time

[sturdy glen]

how much better do we think choke mod is for bosses than high cal

[tardy ingot]

choke isnt weak
other guns are just more specialized and strong rn for those special things

[minor fractal]

it does, though.

[tardy ingot]

Rayalot quoted to say choke is F tier confirmed

[minor fractal]

8-mag PR is weak even if every level has shadows and bosses.

[lone mortar]

i mean

imo

anything with a cracked out reload

or a very fast reload used by reload cancel

[dry pumice]

Surely the extra precision should make a different in ammo consumption or something

[tardy ingot]

its mathable

[sturdy glen]

ye I dont think choke is weak from a balance perspective, it has just been role creeped

[minor fractal]

My high opinion of choke prior was also largely deferring to people that use the gun more than me, but the more I've actually played choke the more I realize I strongly disagree with those opinions.

[lone mortar]

is a gun that i would love even if its dmg stats suck ass

[dry pumice]

Technically speaking that should be like +25% damage...

[tardy ingot]

[sturdy glen]

I have the number

I want perception

[minor fractal]

I genuinely think that choke is just kind of mediocre.

[dry pumice]

I feel like when it comes to cornering a mother - i'd rather have choke than high call. Something about more reliable hipfire and less kicking.

[lone mortar]

true

but youd come across that like 1-2 times per game

[tardy ingot]

i think a lot of the high cal being better now vs bosses is the stupid ass client interaction with tumors

[lone mortar]

on deeper level

[dry pumice]

And i don't risk accidentally hipfiring my teammate on the other side of the target

[sturdy glen]

it is, this is why ive been so invested in that part of convos lol

[tardy ingot]

i know it isnt "better now" but knowledge of it

[sturdy glen]

the extra bullet in high cal as well

because I used to think choke mod was super good for bosses purely because of the client shotgun abuse

[tardy ingot]

id be down to have that discussion

but i think its rough over text

since a lot flows into it

[sturdy glen]

agree

[rain valley]

dms :o

[tardy ingot]

mag size, fire rate, pellets vs single shot, dmg/precision
circumstance of boss kill
host/client
host to client gun combos

etc etc

[dry pumice]

Literally just buff reload. It reloads slower than its competitors for the same break point that also have more ammo in mag. That's insane to me.

Why would i pick a gun that deals same damage, but has smaller mag AND reloads slower? Kinda... Kinda stupid, if you ask me.

[tardy ingot]

a buff to reload speed could be neat yep

[pastel quartz]

Or make it fires a slug instead

[dry pumice]

You just recreated high-cal

[sturdy glen]

man

[dry pumice]

With uh... 20% more prec damage

[sturdy glen]

I saw one implementation of that

but they kept the "spread" of a shotgun

so it did not fire "straight" while only firing 1 pellet

it was painful

[pastel quartz]

Except nowhere near the dps

[dry pumice]

Fair

[tardy ingot]

huh

choke has higher dmg output?

what

[dry pumice]

the mag dumps

High cal has longer cooldown and far more annoying kick of recoil

Can't just throw shots down range at maximum speed reliably

Choke kinda can do that

[sturdy glen]

neither can choke mod lmao

its roughly the same speed

[dry pumice]

It doesn't kick that badly, does it?

[sturdy glen]

tbh

[tardy ingot]

nah

choke has a way higher ceiling

[dry pumice]

Choke mod is like 10 times the fire rate

It can fire as fast as you slam the button basically

[minor fractal]

@tardy ingot Would you disagree that taking choke for versatility tends to just make you bad at both wave clear and giant clear?

I think that's the main problem I have with choke.

[tardy ingot]

you can reliably shoot the choke mag in the span of 2-3 high cal shots

[tardy ingot]

not bad
but it spreads its power yes

if sniper is 10/10 vs giants and 1/10 vs smalls then choke is 5/10 and 6/10 or smth (just rough numbers dont think too much about it)

which is basically the point ive been making so i kinda agree

[minor fractal]

I would absolutely say bad.

Choke has very limited wave clear, and struggles to kill giants very quickly if it's not one at a time.

Like, R2D2 is an awful level for choke.

[tardy ingot]

ehhh

i think you are going into hyperboles

a lot

[minor fractal]

I do not think so, I think that's a pretty accurate description.

Choke is only marginally better than most wave clear options for giants.

[dry pumice]

I agree with him, the thought of trying to hold waves on R2D2 with choke pains me

[tardy ingot]

R2D2 is a fine level for choke
you just arent main wave clear OR giant clear (which is its issue again btw)

choke supports both options decently well but cant shoulder either alone

meanwhile a sniper player can only deal with giants not with smalls

and a MG guys wont want to shoot a hybrid

[minor fractal]

The issue is, I don't think you're actually losing much by taking Sniper instead.

[tardy ingot]

that

is

the

point

[minor fractal]

Your Main is the vast majority of your small clear either way.

[tardy ingot]

because you have more than enough wave clear with a competent wave clear player

but that doesnt mean choke is bad

[minor fractal]

That is the problem

[dry pumice]

In other words its the old bullpup

[tardy ingot]

THIS

thanks

conversation closed

[tardy ingot]

NO

WTF

bullpup was ass

[dry pumice]

Its a gun you are only allowed to carry because your team does everything for you anyway

[tardy ingot]

no

choke does a lot

[dry pumice]

But at least you actually deal damage this time

[lone mortar]

can we close the arguments and do some runs?

[tardy ingot]

it just doesnt do anything best anymore

[minor fractal]

There's no reason to get a bit more but terrible wave clear when the consequences are your giant clear is also terrible.

[tardy ingot]

bullpup did nothing

and did nothing best

[minor fractal]

And if you're killing one giant every now and then, any waveclear special can also do that.

[sturdy glen]

solution really should just be, reduce base reload and give it no reload cancel whatsoever

you get what you pay for

[dry pumice]

It has reload cancel? Didn't even know

[sturdy glen]

pretty much every gun does

[lone mortar]

just 0.1s

[sturdy glen]

a lot arent worth using

cuz time to swap weapons negates any benefit

[lone mortar]

yeah

reload cancel

[sturdy glen]

it bothers ppl like me when guns dont have it cuz I kinda do it instinctively

[lone mortar]

really makes anything already cracked out on reload speed

[dry pumice]

For the argument's sake: what would 35 dmg breakpoint change, realistically speaking? Touching nothing else, of course

[lone mortar]

skip the load up animation

[sturdy glen]

any damage buff just makes it fuck up bosses

until it hits 40

[tardy ingot]

the only guns i dont care about it are the ones that are fast and smooth

like machine pp and sawed off

[sturdy glen]

in which it 3 shots giants

[tardy ingot]

honestly

[minor fractal]

Consistency, and you can play more eco for giants and bosses.

[tardy ingot]

sawed off

is based af rn

[sturdy glen]

sawed off is the main one

[tardy ingot]

i honestly rank it 6th

[sturdy glen]

its so funny

watching ppl try to reload cancel it

[minor fractal]

I think improving Choke reload would be enough, though.

It kind of blows for wave clear because of the poor uptime, it's not always pheasible to dump two mags into waves due to the downtime involved.

Same for killing more than one giant, you and others end up in so much danger when you have so much time with no staggers and there are still priority targets up.

[red flax]

Use cases for HEL gun, HEL rifle, and burst cannon? Furthest I have gotten is R4C2 so if they are good against something that hasn't shown up yet, please don't spoil

[sturdy glen]

being good

all of them have very high ceilings

hel rifle having the lowest of the 3 but being the easiest to use

and BC being good for bigger enemies

[mossy aurora]

Choke is doodoo

I took it into an r7d2 back at the start of r7 and I was a spectator that run

[dry pumice]

HEL Gun:
Jack of all trades if you can handle the charge up shenanigans.
15 dmg per shot, penetrates, i think it oneshots biters on a headshot (if you can land one), can be spammed somewhat.
Catching a whole wave in a tight choke point is devastating.
If its not up to your taste - then that's that.

HEL Rifle:
Its like HELG only upscaled - twice the damage, half the mag, reloads just as long.
Oneshots all small enemies in a single hit - no headshot needed. Also counters chargers to shit because it oneshots AND penetrates them. You should've seen them by now - now imagine killing 3 of them in a single shot.
Can be used as a downscaled Sniper Rifle with a worse zoom.

Burst Cannon:
An alternative to Sniper Rifle with a bigger skill ceiling.
Shoots in a 22x5 bursts meaning 110 raw damage which leaves giants with a sliver of health. Great for bosses too.
Advantage over sniper: can be used against packed hordes of smalls as well - just whiff your burst across the wave. You should reliably get at least 2 kills, which is more than Sniper can do in the same situation.

[minor fractal]

I feel about the same on basically any level.

Especially if you want a carry weapon, there are so many better options.

[hardy grotto]

yea know ur place hel rifle user...

[mossy aurora]

The only reason that I would take it back then was it was great at snatcher kills but it's overshadowed in even that role now

[hardy grotto]

theres only everbeen like

1 time ive used choke

and it was for r4c3 duo

but even now i dont think its worth there

[mossy aurora]

I think I saw you used choke in r4e1 duo where u choked in the reactor hold....

[hardy grotto]

LOL

yea man idk how it got there...

thinking about like r7 times, im not even sure what i was running

i used high cal for a while then they nerfed it

i think i was a pdw mg pub tbh LOL

[mossy aurora]

Veruta or arbalist

[hardy grotto]

veruta was the only one back then

[mossy aurora]

I was testing you

I knew that

[hardy grotto]

of course

honestly idk what else i wouldve used at that stage of the game

maybe i couldve stuck with high cal

[dry pumice]

HEL Gun?

I believe the first nerf came later

[minor fractal]

Wasn't around in AltR1

[dry pumice]

Was it not?

[minor fractal]

Not until AltR3

[dry pumice]

Right, i misremembed once again... It just felt like it never left. Or maybe its a statement how much i don't care for it that i didn't feel the difference.

[hardy grotto]

dude what even was av ailable in r7

i feel like im blanking so hard on some of the guns

[dry pumice]

I think HAR survived

[crisp salmon]

Can precision rifle one shot scouts

[dry pumice]

Precision Rifle (pre nerf)

[dry pumice]

Yes.

[sturdy glen]

hel shotgun!!!!!!!!!!

[dry pumice]

Oh right, the big boy joined the town

[sturdy glen]

and everyone thought it was dogshit

[dry pumice]

Stunlocking BBCs in C3

[fierce walrus]

wasnt HAR super hard to control in R7?

[dry pumice]

Also that, yes

It was horrible

Absolutely disgusting

With recoil like that it should've delt 10 damage a bullet

[sturdy glen]

recoil and bloom nerfs will never cease to amaze me

least player friendly balance changes

[dry pumice]

What's the bloom in that context

[sturdy glen]

random directional firing alongside the gun moving

[mossy aurora]

I think it was legit just sniper, high cal, and mg that people were mainly using

[dry pumice]

Pump action never leaves

[mossy aurora]

I don't think it was popularly used in r7 though

[dry pumice]

Then again most people can't get value out of it properly, nor do they want to

Good ol' melee with ammo

[hardy grotto]

that explains my mg pick then

tbh mg is fun

[hardy grotto]

im always gonna be against that weapon just cause it drives me insane watching some people run it

[tardy ingot]

its so polarizing yea

[sturdy glen]

that goes for most non choke mod shotguns tbh

ive seen some pretty painful usage of combat, regular, and hel

[tardy ingot]

its so funny tho when people say hel shotty does no damage

@sturdy glen hel shotty supremacy

[sturdy glen]

hel shotty supremacy

(I also thought it was shit when I first started in r7)

[tardy ingot]

F

not a true believer

[hardy grotto]

i dont think i ever thought it was bad tbh

[sturdy glen]

but then when combat shotty was readded in alt I fucking loved it and learned how to use shotguns in this game

[hardy grotto]

hel weapons are usually pretty good

but it wasnt a gun i was terribly invested in

i rlly started to hate it when i played pubs

[tardy ingot]

whats worse

Someone shooting hel shotty at 10 meters

Or someone spraying machine pistol at 20

[hardy grotto]

i guess at that point u have to ask which one is gonna stagger more

[tardy ingot]

obviously as a regular thing

[sturdy glen]

if theyre full autoing the hel shotty at least it looks like its doing something

but yeah ammo goes poof

[tardy ingot]

i think i shot hel shotty at that range in the fuckn c1 speedrun

[sturdy glen]

its ok if you shoot it to stagger smth for someone at that range

[hardy grotto]

the key phrase being

for someone

but my god some of these people

[tardy ingot]

imagine if mines get removed

hel shotty stonks go up

[hardy grotto]

just do it for fun i guess

[sturdy glen]

I think it just hurts the more damage each shot could be doing when they do it

cuz those ppl will do it with any weapon

[hardy grotto]

this is why hel revo will stay winning

except for that one guy that thought heavy smg was better

hope hes having a good day

[sturdy glen]

hel revo is overall better just cuz it always works

[hardy grotto]

what's not to love about it

[sturdy glen]

too many dumb breakpoints

"why not just take hel revo"

[tardy ingot]

the only real reasons are

1. liking how other stuff feels better
2. wanting certain things hel revo isnt as good as in

[hardy grotto]

i guess hel revo kinda sucks in the full auto department

[tardy ingot]

[sturdy glen]

so do most mains

its just kind of an argument of what you should expect from your main

[hardy grotto]

i took rifle a few times before nerf because of the bigger mag size

and it pairs well with hel gun

[sturdy glen]

in which hel shotgun is NOT the status quo where it excels

[hardy grotto]

i can see the same sort of argument for pistol now

i liked the feel of carbine hel gun for r2e1 duo as well, that was fun

[tardy ingot]

carbine and dmr are the only real permanent competitors to hel revo

both playing very similar

[hardy grotto]

dmr to me always felt pretty like

ok

i just hate how little ammo it gets

[tardy ingot]

its strong as heck

but yea

[sturdy glen]

id always just take hel revo cuz I love pierce

[hardy grotto]

and the scope sucks balls

pierce is very good

[tardy ingot]

like what other things are there that hel revo is outvalued for

1. hel shotgun overall for close range and bigs
2. shooters/range (dmr)
3. thermal (pdw)
4. stagger, hel shotty/auto pp
5. raw output (Carbine)

Uh think thats it?
Maybe you add sawed off now for charger insta kill ? Lol

[sturdy glen]

id argue mainly just shooters for dmr

unless you purely just mean having zoom

actually, wait nvm chargers ig it matters

[hardy grotto]

ok tbh eva if im going stagger i dont think im ever taking hel autopp

[tardy ingot]

oy

it does insane work at that

like actually insane

but…

It sucks at everything else

[hardy grotto]

exactly

[tardy ingot]

well… it has decent efficiency with pen i guess?

[hardy grotto]

pistol is p good for stagger for a decent few enemies

and not doing 0.1 damage

this is like the strongest pistol has ever been i think?

[tardy ingot]

The range is also noticeable in some other situations, but its not exactly the most common thing yes

[sturdy glen]

yeah, the main situations I could think of wher eit would matter are ones you wouldnt be doing anyways

[tardy ingot]

I rank hel pp quite low

[sturdy glen]

ie shooting a giant from really far away

[tardy ingot]

but people have forgotten how well it holds waves

[sturdy glen]

cuz small breakpoints remain the same between both at range

[hardy grotto]

ive definitely not forgotten

[tardy ingot]

you can actually stonewall alarms with 2 of them

using barely any ammo

issue is cleanup

[hardy grotto]

it can work really well

but yea

[tardy ingot]

take 2 hel pps, 2 hel shotties
4 hel rifles (to fuck the shooters)

Hel pps stall, hel shotties murder

[hardy grotto]

hel rifle...

IM SO MAD RIGHT NOW

[sturdy glen]

you said the trigger word eva

uh oh

[tardy ingot]

honestly hel rifle is the simplest shooter answer

Beth youd love my r6c1 loadout

[hardy grotto]

i dont think i will

[sturdy glen]

did you take hel shotty hel rifle

[tardy ingot]

well tbh chill dude would honestly

Yes

[sturdy glen]

lmfao

[hardy grotto]

blocked.

[tardy ingot]

[dry pumice]

What would be the best special to compliment HELPP if i were to run it?

HAR or HCP probably, right?

[hardy grotto]

one that does damage probably

[tardy ingot]

Depends on what you wanna do

[sturdy glen]

id almost want to say BC

[dry pumice]

I want to deal damage

[tardy ingot]

perfectly played BC prob

[hardy grotto]

like 5 people on the planet can use burst cannon well against smalls tho

[sturdy glen]

true

I need to learn it cuz it feels as good as pen

and i havent bothered trying since the nerf

[hardy grotto]

host bc feels great

[tardy ingot]

[hardy grotto]

the thing with like hel auto pp is i dont wanna just only stagger enemies

unless its a gimmick run

it just feels like a gimmicky weapon

[tardy ingot]

i think hel pp is „fine“

[hardy grotto]

theres only one person on this planet that im ok with using it

[tardy ingot]

in that it might want more ammo

[sturdy glen]

that is indeed why the primary argument is

just take hel shotgun for stagger

[tardy ingot]

like, if you want to play stagger to peel it works completely well as a support gun

[hardy grotto]

ok but what if i took pistol instead

[tardy ingot]

pistol needs way more aim

And staggers a lot less

[hardy grotto]

actually no hel shotgun can apparently stagger 4 BIG CHARGERS

at ONCE

so i guess pistol loses

[sturdy glen]

pistol with perfect play probably staggers more but

it doesnt pierce

so L

[hardy grotto]

its true

ok but eva i like aiming

[dry pumice]

I don't think anyone's using HELPP unironically ever until they buff damage to like 1.2 if not higher

[sturdy glen]

the comparison was unfair to begin with cuz pierce is stupid

[tardy ingot]

then learn to aim with hel pp

get the efficiency boost

[hardy grotto]

i point and click at enemy

enemy staggers

[tardy ingot]

yea now you do that

but 5 times more

[hardy grotto]

ok but i dont wanna be the stagger monkey of the team

[tardy ingot]

Dmg doesnot matter herehonestly

[hardy grotto]

i wanna contribute so my dps stats at the end are higher

and i can rank up

[tardy ingot]

just give hel pp like 100 more bullets

SPAM

[hardy grotto]

im so close to diamond...

[tardy ingot]

nah thats why i play adc

Big dmg = big elo

[hardy grotto]

ur the caitlyn adc...

im the sett adc...

we are not the same

[tardy ingot]

oof, i havent played cait in ages

[dry pumice]

I think it does. No one likes a gun that's made to do anything else but actually deal damage.

[tardy ingot]

tbh

i havent played serious league in ages

[hardy grotto]

i learned that taking that game seriously was a terrible decision

so now i just mess around in the rare case that i do play it

[tardy ingot]

i coached a div 3 team for the lulz a year back

it was interesting

Reminded me why i love n hate the game

just playing to fuck around is way more fun

[hardy grotto]

i just want them to bring back mathematically correct sett so i can instakill lux again

[tardy ingot]

it was fun

2000+ true dmg

[mossy aurora]

Autopp and sniper work well if it's a level where u need sniper but aren't using it constantly

[dry pumice]

The absolute support player lmao

[mossy aurora]

Like in r5d2 for example, you can use sniper ammo during the first alarm, use autopp for the entire duration of the class 9 or whatever it is now and end up fairly balanced afterwards

[dry pumice]

Never fights smalls, just stagger them. Deletes giants and goes back to small staggering.

[mossy aurora]

There's some maps where you cannot burn main ammo fast enough to keep balanced, autopistol would be bad for that

[craggy pier]

dual hel pp 🤔

[mossy aurora]

huh?

[hardy grotto]

ryk i know a player who could balance their ammo out really well...

im sure u know who i mean...

[mossy aurora]

i dont

[hardy grotto]

damn...

give him a 4 use ammo pack and he'll have plenty of sniper

[mossy aurora]

LOOL ok i get it

[craggy pier]

dual wield hell pp

[mossy aurora]

if only

[compact junco]

me and my friends just completed R2E1 after all this time, I'm wondering why theres no checkpoints for any rundown before 6? Cause there are very difficult missions in previous rundowns?

[craggy pier]

they only added checkpoints in r6

adding them in previous rundowns would ruin the experience

[compact junco]

idk I feel like dying 2 hours into a mission ruins the experience already don it?

besides they had a chance to with the ALT rundowns right?

and if it does ruin the experience why add them to rundown 6?

[jagged shore]

The levels were designed with that possibility

The levels in r6 were designed with the intention then in mind
The alts are just a way for you to play the old levels largely how they were (minus some changes that some people don't like), adding checkpoints to them when they weren't there before would kinda sully the games identity a bit
There are already plenty of old players who are unhappy they were added in the first place

[compact junco]

it just feels some missions need them more than the missions in rundown 6

its weird having half the game be extremely difficult and then the other half being ez pz

[craggy pier]

As a new player I liked the checkpoints if r6 n r7 but after playing ALT 1-5 rundowns I can say they were completely unnecessary

[compact junco]

I've been playing this game a while now and R2E1 was unnecessarily difficult to get past

and I feel like its necessary to pass cause it provides the start for rundown 3 the neonate

story wise i mean

[craggy pier]

E tier lvls are supposed to be like that

[compact junco]

yeah but it was harder than rundown 6 in its entirety

[cold quarry]

I simultaneously like checkpoints and dislike them

It's nice to not have to replay an hour of shit to get back to where you were, but also it takes all the risk out of the game imo

[craggy pier]

Extremely hard and can wipe you if you play around too much

[compact junco]

like i passed most of rundwon 6 by myself meanwhile took maybe 20 tries with a full squad to get past r2e1

[compact junco]

i dont mind risk, but its already hard enough allocating time to play with friends in different timezones, jobs, stuff like that, and wasting 3 hours to pass a mission just for the hell of it isnt very fun

i like the risk, but theres risk in not getting to a checkpoint

[cold quarry]

i think if they were limited use it would be better

right now if you hit a checkpoint, you're locked in no matter how bad you do

[compact junco]

this

i dont want it for every mission

just the ones that take like 5 hours and are hella difficult

like r2e1

[cold quarry]

I get why E tiers dont have em

[compact junco]

i mean whos the target audience? mostly the people who get to play games all day are kids but this isnt a kids game and adults dont have the time to be wasting 3 to 4 hours a day

[compact junco]

whys that

[cold quarry]

well they're supposed to be the culmination of difficulty, the game throwing everything and the kitchen sink at you

[jagged shore]

The only e tier in a rundown with checkpoints deliberately doesn't have one

[cold quarry]

it makes sense E tiers don't have checkpoints, even if I despise r7e1 partially cause of it

[compact junco]

nastiest yet best way to say that lol

then maybe they didnt need an e tier in rundown 2 lol

[jagged shore]

Why's that?

[neon slate]

Full charge still breaks giant parts with hammer right?

[compact junco]

like if its a prologue to rundown 3 story wise and its only rundown 2 shits just gettin started

yea

i can do that with the bat

[cold quarry]

R2E1 serves as a good intro to E-tiers imo

[compact junco]

feel like it coulda been better placed

[cold quarry]

i think levels like R2D2 previously teach the player to work under pressure

prepping them for r2e1

[compact junco]

like rundown 4 and 5 are kind of filler rundowns right? rundown 1 is start, rundown 2 is start/rundown 3 prologue, rundown 3 is the neonate, 4 and 5 fillers, and rundown 6 and 7 is when the story REALLY kicks off

or maybe thats cause i never got a chance to play the original rundowns

[cold quarry]

5 isn't a filler with it's ending

[compact junco]

and they stripped 4 and 5 of story materials

[compact junco]

kds deep?

[cold quarry]

yeah

[compact junco]

remind me what happens again, the big alarm and survive

but does it have any story significance?

[cold quarry]

initiating influx protocol basically means we've woken up thousands of KSOs for the Warden

waking KDS Deep up from it's eepy sleepy

[compact junco]

so the protocol wasnt the warden saying "aight have fun try and survive 30 mins" it was a protocol to wake up KDS deep in order to get more operatives for more missions?

[cold quarry]

i think you're thinking of the warden protocol from one of the B tiers

R5E1's objective is to 'initiate influx protocol' which involves fighting through hell (or oaklahoma) to reach KDS Deep and override it's crisis protocols

[compact junco]

was there a bit at the end of the mission? its been a while since i played

that mission i mean

[cold quarry]

yeah the final zone is KDS Deep

[compact junco]

ohhhh cooool ill have to replay

[cold quarry]

the KSO/HSU storehouse

[compact junco]

im a huge nut for the story

you play the original rundowns right?

was there more story parts i never got to see?

like were rundown 4 and 5 more story driven then they are now?

[mossy aurora]

it took you 20+ tries to beat r2e1 but you're going back to replay r5e1?

[compact junco]

i like the missions that revolve around the story more

[mossy aurora]

r5e1 is significantly more difficult than r2e1

[compact junco]

yes

painfully aware

but i gotta have something to do with my free time

[craggy pier]

R5e1 tank nerf

[cold quarry]

no I joined around alt r1

[cold quarry]

not really but 6's story actually connected to 7's whereas now we just have two seperate-timeline story-heavy rundowns

[compact junco]

yeah you have NO idea how much that bothers me lol

[cold quarry]

oh I do cause it bothers me too

Im pissed I didn't get to play original r6

[compact junco]

im a huge story nut and the fact they wont do ALT 7 hurts so bad

I never saw why they needed to change the story of ALT rundowns ive summed it up to either laziness or they are going someplace with the different dimensions but theyve done it so poorly

but hey at least the gameplay is satisfactory

[cold quarry]

no idea, that money they spent on VA's to re-record everything couldve been spent better elsewhere

[craggy pier]

👀

[cold quarry]

There is The Funny Method...

[craggy pier]

2 actually but yeah

[jagged shore]

Doesn't the true funny method not actually work for r6?

[craggy pier]

Why wouldn't it work

Did some last 2 weeks for nostalgia

[jagged shore]

Idk, I tried it once and it didn't really work, and someone I've been playing with said it didn't either

[cold quarry]

Bobo told me r6 is different with it's progression

bugs tf out if you didn't play original r6

[jagged shore]

Oh yeah that'd do it

[cold quarry]

2??

[craggy pier]

Oh

[craggy pier]

Other one is a mod

[cold quarry]

if only these funny methods could unlock the old r6 cosmetics

[jagged shore]

I think there's a funny method that could but I'm not an expert in funny business

[cold quarry]

there is the funny unlocker mod but I mean permanently/in vanilla

[jagged shore]

I am referring to permanent funniness

[cold quarry]

good heavens

please, inform me

[craggy pier]

[jagged shore]

Again, I am no expert
I think it's zaero I've seen talking about it in funny server?

Maybe endskill idk

[past mesa]

I don’t think it is public.

Endskill does 148 copy’s of the same chest peice

Very cool

[jagged shore]

Yeah there's no actual thing for it I think
It's just possible

[cold quarry]

🧐

[minor fractal]

R2 was the only rundown you could play back in R2.

So no E-tier is just bad for your best players.

It is absolutely just the fault of the player if they want to beat everything before they're ready.

[compact junco]

I mean they planned 8 rundowns from the start I feel like the didnt need to introduce E tier into R2 I mean

[ocean spindle]

the E tier on r2 was cause the devs saw r1 was too easy, completion numbers were super high and many levels were soloed

[minor fractal]

???

No, lmfao.

[ocean spindle]

so they amped the difficulty a fuck ton

and then on r3 they dialed it down

[minor fractal]

I don't think they planned anything of the sort 3 years in advance.

[ocean spindle]

thats my theory

also no no way

[minor fractal]

Almost 4 years, actually.

[ocean spindle]

they didnt planned that

wtf

if u see like development of the game

it was very different

and theres no fuck way they planned 8 rundowns

and if they did they were super super different then

[minor fractal]

And delaying E-tier "while we work on it" is just stupid.

That would be a pretty terrible design philosophy.

[neon gust]

Thats what they did tho

[minor fractal]

Again, it is your own fault if you expect the game to cater to your skill level the whole way.

[past mesa]

I dont think they planed two rundowns ahead

tbh

[neon gust]

D2 and e1 didnt release because it was still testing tho

[ocean spindle]

no yeah that- last part
i imagine they did it to both see if the players could do it

[neon gust]

If my memory serves me

[ocean spindle]

and to

finish it n polish it

i imagine

sounds logical

[minor fractal]

This too, we had a really long period to get used to what R2 had to offer.

R2D1 was E-tier before E-tier.

[past mesa]

r2d1 statsitics

[ocean spindle]

statics

stats

[minor fractal]

The game has gotten much harder since R2.

[neon gust]

Wanna do statistics 1000 times

!!

[ocean spindle]

speedrun it pls

but yeah um cool theory i have i like it

[minor fractal]

I'll also defend that the curve they went with, while maybe a bit steep, was largely quite good if you were a sweaty player from R1.

Pre-nerf R2 felt like a very natural progression.

And then R2E1 was the next step from that.

[ocean spindle]

i think, gtfo curve of difficulty rn is bad, but thats just a symptom of the rundowns, and it does have tutorial n stuff n r1 which is not super horrible
on the og i cant say anythin i wasnt there

i can say, i think they went, a lil too deep into the r2e1

cause it has the lowest stadistics of completion

ever

like by r4, i get it, they needed hard, they 4 rundowns in

[past mesa]

oof

[ocean spindle]

but on the 2 i think they got a bit too excited by the time delay n stuff

but thats my dumbass

cause i am not og player

[minor fractal]

In R2 it was more that there was a massive skill gap between the best players and much of the playerbase.

Like, the whole reason for post-nerf was because the difficulty at that time was a lot for most players.

Especially when people were still struggling with R1.

[ocean spindle]

yeah i mean i completely get is hard to just create an inbetween with those situations, i bet 10c did as much as they could with the split and even if i tried harder and had more time i wouldnt be abl to do it better

but nowadays u can see it by what it was and think it cold

like knowin how it worked n stuff

[minor fractal]

That skill gap still exists, but skill levels have shifted around such that the complaint is more often E-tier being too easy.

[past mesa]

which maybe insane tbh

[minor fractal]

Plus things like checkpoints making R6 and R7 levels more accessible.

[sturdy glen]

I think its just good that ppl reach the E levels period tbh

[ocean spindle]

i think, r7e1, sayin that
nowadays havin alt r2e1, even if it wasnt nerfed and we had the same guns only for that level r7 would still be a bit harder

but it just hass too many exploits

and i kinda get why people say it with those

[past mesa]

i mean

[ocean spindle]

like the charger alarm the dimension alarm the

[minor fractal]

He doesn't know about the wall

[ocean spindle]

rest of things

[past mesa]

it is easy even without the expoilts

[ocean spindle]

the flesh wall the crystal n stuff

[sturdy glen]

its fairly easy without cheese compared to r5 and r4

[minor fractal]

Nope.

You don't know about the wall.

[sturdy glen]

it doesnt ask that much of you

the only thing thats "hard" on it is lack of resources

[ocean spindle]

ah probs not, i am flesh only

[minor fractal]

"I think the devs put this here so we could skip the first half of the level."

[ocean spindle]

but idk, is just, maybs its my dumb bones, but ive just seen both takes of r2e1 being easiest and r7e1 being easiest
maybs ur not referrin to that but, idk

[craggy pier]

Imo that is a stupid way to design in a game like gtfo

[sturdy glen]

it is very bad yes

but so is a lot of this game

[ocean spindle]

i dont really recognize difference of difficulty and artificial difficulty and tbh i dont wanna get into that

cause i can be, a bit confident on some stuff i say but that one not at all

[hardy grotto]

regarding e tiers being easy now, im not sure tbh

[minor fractal]

I mean, R7E1 is at least a unique set of concepts.

[ocean spindle]

i mean e tiers not easy as in they a1s, but easy compared to the rest of em

[past mesa]

i think we are just weird

[sturdy glen]

I dont think ppl consider them actually easy

[minor fractal]

It has many flaws, but it's not the worst thing ever.

[ocean spindle]

like comparin r7e1 an r4s and r5s

and r2s

[hardy grotto]

r7e1 took me a decent bit of time but it pales in comparison to how long og r2e1 took me

[minor fractal]

I think that's part of it, though. People remember E-tier being harder, and they want that experience back.

[hardy grotto]

ok well ray i went to play og r2e1 after beating r7

[ocean spindle]

problem is, the game has shifted so much with stamina and guns, if u took a pro player that started on r6 maybs or r7 and then make em play the og r2, they would be better at like kite cause no stamina and idk all of that

but also weirder cause movement and guns and...

idk

[waxen jetty]

this is not true

[ocean spindle]

maybs not

ur right

[waxen jetty]

"why is my hammer charge twice as long"

"why are the enemies hitting me so much"

[hardy grotto]

id have to play new e tiers to really decide

[ocean spindle]

why is my guns not hittin as hard

[hardy grotto]

cause my vision is skewed having played them all 400 times now

[ocean spindle]

but also u get into no stamina, how used u are to like that old movement and how u adapt...

[past mesa]

XD

[hardy grotto]

at that point theyd obviously be easy

[ocean spindle]

i guess its just, super played dependant

[sturdy glen]

theres a diff between

no stam in current game

and no stam in old game

like with what rick was saying

old lacked a lot of QOL we have now

[ocean spindle]

OG and post r6 is just, super funky different versions of the game on enemy movement and stam and guns and even some enemies bein faster or different, like shadow giants on the og

being, fast

[sturdy glen]

or just straight up easier shit

[hardy grotto]

u had occi my beloved tho

[minor fractal]

R2 kiting is def a bit funky, although hard to put my finger on why.

R3 kiting even more-so.

[compact junco]

just what I was told

[minor fractal]

I do wonder if there are small enemy speed changes sometimes.

[past mesa]

i felt sleepers tended to stick to me

more in og

[ocean spindle]

sorry i was writin blind i didnt see the rest of convo

i am sorry

[hardy grotto]

wasnt there speed bug in r3 ray

or was that a myth

[minor fractal]

Yeah, there was a very obvious difference between R2 and R3 if you were an active player at the time.

[ocean spindle]

shadow giants i think they, idk if it was a bug or intended but were fast as fuck
i think thats the only one

but i could b wong

wrong

[compact junco]

comin in hot with that but no not expecting it to "cater" just commenting on how its mega difficult meanwhile missions past it are way easier

[minor fractal]

Kiting felt kind of "off" in R3.

[compact junco]

and the missions past that being other D and E tiers

[minor fractal]

I don't think that's true, though?

I think you're experiencing something unrelated to the actual difficulty, which is pub quality.

R2D2 is a hardstuck level

Your teammates will generally be very bad.

[past mesa]

no one plays r2d2

bad level

[minor fractal]

R2E1 is the "I just got past the hardstuck level" cesspit, as well

[ocean spindle]

i wish i could i am sad

[past mesa]

to slow boring

[sturdy glen]

ive unironically been wanting to replay r2d2

[ocean spindle]

my english is not lettin me understand these convos help

[minor fractal]

I replay R2D2 pretty regularly tbh.

It is extremely carriable with just a bit of directing people and playing Burst Cannon or HEL Gun.

[mossy aurora]

"i just happened to have someone join my game that knew the map now im stuck at an even larger wall "

[hardy grotto]

enemy collision didnt exist back then too so it was quite different yea

[past mesa]

disgusting. do people try side room holds still

[mossy aurora]

yes

"why are we holding bridge when they come from the back"

[minor fractal]

I do everything I can to force people onto the bridge, lmao.

[ocean spindle]

thats a very funk way to carry

carrying'nt

[past mesa]

honestly it is the reason i stopped playing the level

"side hold" makes me annoyed as fuck

[minor fractal]

The phrasing of the quote is on-point.

[neon gust]

Propaganda

[past mesa]

that and running out of time on code 4

IS insane

[ocean spindle]

im gonna do r1a1 with u and first alarm ask u to hold on the side with the broken door

[past mesa]

and it happens so often in pubs

[ocean spindle]

so u side hold

[minor fractal]

According to UMS people at the time, it was apparently a tile-dependent bug.

[neon gust]

The game ran smooth and pathfinding wasnt complicated

[minor fractal]

And existed in some parts of R2.

But I also think there was a fuckton of speculation involved in explaining it.

[ocean spindle]

i tried runnin og r1 and my frames were so nice
until an enemy appeared then they went to my normal gtfo frames which is 6

[minor fractal]

Like, I've also heard that it was a bug related to adding babies, and they had to change something about enemy pathing to make them go as fast as they do.

I don't think that anyone actually knows how it worked, at the end of the day.

It just "felt off"

[ocean spindle]

it just fell offf??????????????????????????????????????

im sorry

[past mesa]

felt FELT

[ocean spindle]

feelings

[minor fractal]

+L

+Ratio

[sturdy glen]

gtfo really fell off

[past mesa]

FELT OFF like something is wrong

[ocean spindle]

• mum

• plus

[past mesa]

• motherless

• fatherless

[ocean spindle]

• gtfoless

[craggy pier]

Grammar police

[minor fractal]

OG R1 kiting was insane, though.

Oml

You just pick a loop

and you run through it

[upper ginkgo]

headless strikers are slower

crazy balance

[hardy grotto]

fucking headless strikers LOL

[past mesa]

what

are you saying

[ocean spindle]

i dont watch a lot of gtfo pre r6 and r7 cause fuck me but idk i see people do that every rundown tbh skdmkm
except r3

[hardy grotto]

they were slower in r1 if u broke head jish

[past mesa]

oh

[minor fractal]

Any limb worked, as well.

[past mesa]

and head was around forever

[minor fractal]

They'd move at like 20% speed.

[past mesa]

crazy

[ocean spindle]

can u elaborate wtff

[hardy grotto]

its so funny

[ocean spindle]

i wanna know

[past mesa]

didnt r1

have the worst steath

ever

like by far

[neon gust]

Cuz shit didnt work correctly

[minor fractal]

If enemies suffered any kind of limb break, they'd be "injured," and would move at 20% speed.

[neon gust]

Doors that are opening didny work like they do now

[minor fractal]

Door glow Omegalul

[neon gust]

If you open a door even mid animation it will be "fully open"

[past mesa]

oh

[ocean spindle]

do u know when it stopped?

[past mesa]

so they could walk agro through

unfo

[neon gust]

Suddenly wack ass sleeper would trigger because you left your flashlight ipen

[minor fractal]

There's also lots of BS related to moving after certain glows start causing insta-wakes.

[neon gust]

Instantly

[hardy grotto]

LOL

[minor fractal]

It's a mechanic that was only in R1, and I don't even remember that it was a thing.

I've only experienced on replays where my usual stealth habits cause wakes for no reason.

[neon gust]

Can we pls bring back slowdown mechanic for loud

Just give it a cd before bringing a sleeper at full speed again

Not that hard

😭😭

[minor fractal]

It did not stop, unless you mean removed, in which case it was removed in R2 because it was such a broken mechanic.

Enemies got a big speed boost for R2, too.

R1 enemies are insanely fucking slow.

[ocean spindle]

yeah removed im sorry bad english ksmdkm

my bad

but damn, oki so just for r1 they were slower n then never again

thank u

[minor fractal]

It's just such an abusable mechanic that it was obvious maybe halfway into the rundown that it really shouldn't remain in the game.

Oh, and sentry through door.

Omg, R1 was such a time.

[ocean spindle]

oh yeah i remember that one

such a

alpha moment

[past mesa]

back sentry damage

what a bug

[sturdy glen]

can we bring back shotgun sentry stacking

[minor fractal]

Up to 4x Shotgun Sentry damage in multi-player.

[past mesa]

i dont understand

how this could ever happen

I really dont

[upper ginkgo]

5 whole rundowns of sentry back damage "bug"

[hardy grotto]

this shit is so funny man

[minor fractal]

One-taps giants.

A single pellet kills a striker.

[hardy grotto]

ape together strong

[green lodge]

anyone can think of a level that starts with a scout, i havent played in awhile and i wanna practice. I know R2E1 does but I haven't beat R2D1 yet.

[minor fractal]

R7D1, R2C1, and R1B1 have scouts not behind alarms.

[green lodge]

sweet. thak you. I think I have all of those. I appreciate it.

[raw mist]

How does the booster infection resistance work? Does it slow down the rate which infection meter fills or does it prevent infection from going up past a certain percentage? I have a 40% detox one but dont wanna waste it

[lone mortar]

it slows the infection rate

over 100% meaning that it is too powerful for the infection to do anything

[raw mist]

Thanks for the info!

[wind wren]

Any good levels to farm aggressive artifacts? Or is the best option to just play normally and pay attention

[craggy pier]

going out there to farm em feels boring af

at least for me

[tardy ingot]

yep

just play

farming artifacts wont make you better

play normally and pick up some if you want to use them

[craggy pier]

can i use 200% hp cap in lfgs 🤔

[wind wren]

But are there? Its just that I'm not gonna use em unless I have plenty. And well currently I'm lacking in aggressive

[craggy pier]

been told r6a1 but i dont remember

that was like a year ago

[wind wren]

I'm the type of guy to not use consumables unless I'm near cap, that's y I'm asking

[tardy ingot]

the good part is

[wind wren]

I'll try dat then

[tardy ingot]

this game isnt made with boosters in mind

[wind wren]

Thanks

[tardy ingot]

contrary to other games with consumables

[dry pumice]

Latter.

[wind wren]

I know I know, but it's still nice having the occasional 99% infect resist

[dry pumice]

Just randomly replay A and B levels, the easier ones

[tardy ingot]

youll get that by just playing

[dry pumice]

The secondary zone in R6B2 for some reason has like 20 artifacts

[craggy pier]

delete the useless ones whenever like glowstick power and hacking stuff

[tardy ingot]

Quick 3 small zones

[wind wren]

But even in soulsborne games I'll just collect a bunch and never use a single one "bcs I might need em later". Its just that werid mentality I have.

And yeah those games arent designed around consumables at all either but yk what I mean

[craggy pier]

ill need em later, 20 completions later i think i still need em

[dry pumice]

Exactly

[wind wren]

Exactly

[dry pumice]

Muted and Bolds are the expendables

Burn them on every mission. Every single one.

It's Agressives you keep for a dark day.

[wind wren]

Yeah I've been using those regularly. But aggressives? Fuck they r rare

[tardy ingot]

No?

[dry pumice]

I have same 5 Agressive boosters for a year now

[tardy ingot]

whyd you wanna warp gameplay everytime

[dry pumice]

Because I don't care?

[craggy pier]

warp gate enjoyer

[dry pumice]

And like... 10% main damage and 15% regen cap. Big deal.

[tardy ingot]

yea but why use them then

[dry pumice]

It's just throwing them into the trash without actually doing that.