#gtfo-related-questions

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past mesa
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bat can do pretty much everything

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hammer is just the best choice if you get everything down

silver fable
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not sure how the bat rebalance netted out

native sun
silver fable
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ah

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then imo it's worse hammer

weary turret
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:(

silver fable
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spear probably also worse hammer even after buffs

lusty bramble
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Try melee boosters with bat

native sun
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Hammer is good at everything. Bat is medium at everything. Knife and Spear both have things they're bad at (and being bad at something is very punishing).

lusty bramble
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Then you're winning

silver fable
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knife isn't capable of like 70% of things hammer does, but if you only want the other 30% then knife is situationally better hammer

lusty bramble
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Where are these percentages coming from

silver fable
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my ass of course

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I don't know how to put actual percentages on this

ocean spindle
lusty bramble
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Why did you put the burst cannon on c tier

ocean spindle
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wdym

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bat is the next hammer, just weaker

lusty bramble
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I asked my question first

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You can answer thaepicpotatos after

silver fable
past mesa
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beep

lusty bramble
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Have you tried winning with the gun

silver fable
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in actual impact it's probably B or above

past mesa
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hel gun d teir?

lusty bramble
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Jish

silver fable
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but I use my special tiers to represent things I'd hope for 10cc to act on

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and for me that's probably "undo recoil nerf on BC, do something to tone down the S and A stuff"

waxen jetty
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i sure am glad they dont listen to you

lusty bramble
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LOL

silver fable
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I admit I'm just one guy

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if you want to give rick's definitive weapon tier list then by all means go ahead

hardy grotto
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It’s still really good lmao

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wait until r8 when they nerf it again then we’ll talk

silver fable
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I've been coming around to beth's "hel gun still good" take

native sun
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1s charge up time incoming

silver fable
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yeah what if they keep going

past mesa
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but 20% more ammo

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  • recoil
lusty bramble
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These are the burst cannon changes

native sun
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Recoil so big 0.5s charge up time still isn't enough time to compensate. Recoil that makes you look at the roof. Recoil that aimbots at the nearest ally

lusty bramble
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You just gave it the r4 burst cannon changes

silver fable
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or maybe that was just badger, I can't tell the difference sometimes

sturdy glen
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recoil that automatically places your turret aimed behind you every shot

waxen jetty
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badger is badger

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however every gun lacks depth nowadays anyways

silver fable
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burst cancel etc is execution skill, it's gone, current vanilla guns don't have execution skill like that?

past mesa
waxen jetty
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no

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this new hel gun you dont even stagger chain anymore

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dtr awful to use too

sturdy glen
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we are in the era of high cal now

past mesa
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😔

sturdy glen
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start with high cal, end with high cal

past mesa
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and scatter gun

waxen jetty
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more or less

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every gun you just click an enemy one by one

past mesa
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XD

silver fable
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are you in the "high cal is good into smalls because it's 1tap" camp

native sun
silver fable
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imo that's just superficial execution

hardy grotto
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im in the high cal is better than sniper vs moms as client camp

silver fable
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it still only gets 6 smalls a clip

past mesa
silver fable
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any waveclear special holds more wave than high cal

past mesa
sturdy glen
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beth you really need to get a better comparison

past mesa
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25? so everyone cann kill 24

sturdy glen
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most stuff is better than sniper even as host

hardy grotto
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no it’s funny

sturdy glen
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sniper has WAY too much overdamage to be efficient on mom

past mesa
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unless

hardy grotto
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Also waveclear special kinda implies its specialised for killing waves

native sun
hardy grotto
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Would make sense that it’s better than high cal at that

waxen jetty
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my machine gun is so good guys

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i can kill 6 sleepers in 7 seconds

hardy grotto
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I think high cal is just a very good all rounder

silver fable
hardy grotto
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it gets very good ammo refill so I honestly couldn’t care less about what I’m shooting at

waxen jetty
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wait but i was watching AHTOS stream

silver fable
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I'm not the one claiming I only get 6 veruta kills per clip

waxen jetty
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maybe you should solo hold r4e1 reactor with machine gun

sturdy glen
waxen jetty
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that sounds epic doesnt it

silver fable
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one day maybe

waxen jetty
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Zzz

native sun
silver fable
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I don't know what to tell you rick, most vets would just say you have veruta skill issue

waxen jetty
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id love to see you hit a high accuracy on that gun

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in a timely manner

hardy grotto
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I think you shill for mg way too much friend

waxen jetty
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because autos inherently have dogshit accuracy

sturdy glen
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can we silently install accuracy show on everyones client and collect data like a megacorp

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pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease

sturdy glen
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you can actually get 80%+ with it without too much trouble

native sun
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Can we finally solve the problem of quantifying shotgun accuracy

waxen jetty
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also id say the koreans are way better than the australians

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but maybe thats just me ;D

native sun
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korean gamers go wild dude, beastly gamers

hardy grotto
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Idk I watched a minute of it and he let like 6 sleepers run past him into the mines

waxen jetty
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no way

hardy grotto
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and for the bit I watched it was like 80% of shots fired were hel revo

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I don’t understand the arbalist pick there

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you’re just handicapping yourself

native sun
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tom so strong doesn't even need the best pick

hardy grotto
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Well he clearly does if he’s letting 6 sleepers run past

native sun
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When you hold with sentry it doesn't kill 6 enemies?

hardy grotto
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probably not all at once no

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Typically the way I hold it ensures I don’t let things leak

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if he’s playing around the mines like that then sure, but I don’t see the reason to bring arbalist in a duo speedrun then

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Why not a secondary that can do more than just kill smalls

waxen jetty
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maybe 1:55 just isnt a good time gerz

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what do u think

hardy grotto
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I mean it isn’t amazing but it was still done with that kinda thinking in mind Rick

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They were trying to go fast

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I’m curious on the thought process

waxen jetty
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proceeds to put 50 mines

past mesa
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i would love to see an optimised

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r4e1 secondary duo speed

lusty bramble
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Looking forward to the bread and jish duos

hardy grotto
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People who know how to play the game…

past mesa
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yeah i said optimised

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not meme run

waxen jetty
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bread is pretty advanced at the game i hear

past mesa
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so sad

waxen jetty
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gerz has mentioned many legendary r4e1 duo stories

past mesa
waxen jetty
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sure

past mesa
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he is gonna fan girl so hard over this

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!

hardy grotto
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i get them to gather around the fire as i tell them legendary stories about such a legendary player

waxen jetty
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moreso you will

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"girlbread"

native sun
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Jish is a dishwasher, not a fan, wrong kind of appliance, understandable mistake though

past mesa
hardy grotto
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this is the worst thing youve ever done

past mesa
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i can think of a few that are worse

waxen jetty
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ه

neon gust
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Hes our osama bin laden

waxen jetty
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hes pretty up there

minor fractal
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Veruta is OP in the same way that Carbine is OP.

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HEL Revo and HEL Shotgun are a lot more busted/let you do crazier shit, but Carbine is still pretty overtuned.

hardy grotto
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i rlly dont think mgs are that insane

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i think theyre very ok

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but id rather take a gun that just does more

silver fable
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more in what sense?

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they cut down hordes, melt bigs from range, they're good into chargers

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veruta is also serviceable into mommy

hardy grotto
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id rather not spend 40 bullets to kill 1 big striker

craggy pier
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Not like ammo is scarce

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The point is it's well rounded

silver fable
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yeah I don't know why 40 bullets into 1 big is a dealbreaker

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that's two thirds of a clip

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that's what high cal does now

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and you get to do it from range and a bit of overspill is okay

hardy grotto
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ill just take hel gun lol

silver fable
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yeah hel gun does a comparable thing

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less stagger and horde control, more potential for big pen overkill

hardy grotto
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i dont really understand the love for the mgs rn

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they are just very ok guns

silver fable
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I wouldn't say I "love" the mgs

hardy grotto
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stat monkeys being like BUT YOU ACN KILL 10 SLEEPERS IN 1 MAG

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talking theory when they aim like theyve never touched a mouse

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as if any of the stats matter then

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lmao

silver fable
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I mean I've taken more of a liking to veruta since I kinda got railroaded into it after high cal nerf

craggy pier
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They are good for almost every situation how is that ok

silver fable
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but mostly I just recognize the mg's are strong

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I enjoy high cal more

hardy grotto
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azert run a better gun and then let me know what u think

past mesa
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stat monkey

hardy grotto
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it just fits tbh

past mesa
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idk

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who are you copying

silver fable
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and a whole lot of stagger

verbal zinc
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have you tried the heavy smg

hardy grotto
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too strong

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cant use it

craggy pier
hardy grotto
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i cant wait to see u consistently do everything in the game with it then

craggy pier
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You can?

verbal zinc
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mg sucks

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noob gun

hardy grotto
craggy pier
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Where does it fall short

hardy grotto
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it falls short compared to the better guns

craggy pier
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Nice argument

hardy grotto
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thanks

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im telling u man high cal hel gun are literally just better guns

silver fable
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if you told me that about 25dmg high cal I'd wonder what you're smoking

hardy grotto
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u didnt believe in high cal for r7e1 duo did u tho

silver fable
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vibe I'm getting is that toxic clique thinks high cal is giga busted now

hardy grotto
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and didnt that turn out to be pretty good

silver fable
hardy grotto
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i dont think its giga busted but i think its a very good weapon now

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and its weird to act like it isnt

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and praise a gun that most ppl miss half their shots on lol

silver fable
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I'm not acting like it's a bad weapon

mortal moon
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how do I get friends to play GTFO with

verbal zinc
silver fable
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I acted like it was a bad weapon at 25dmg, now they buffed it back up to 30dmg and I think it's a good weapon

mortal moon
craggy pier
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To say that high cal is better because we did this one thing is not enough

hardy grotto
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thats not what im saying friend

past mesa
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then what are you saying pal

mortal moon
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eez the heavy smg good?

hardy grotto
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if u want an all rounder use a different gun

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heavy smg is busted...

verbal zinc
hardy grotto
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too strong

craggy pier
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You said high cal is better and then proceed to mention this one thing
Not what I'm saying

hardy grotto
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that was in response to other guy cause i was pointing out hes known for having some vendetta against high cal

craggy pier
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Very well

hardy grotto
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me when i use my waveclear special on bigs (its well rounded)

silver fable
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high cal was my favourite r7 gun, then they nerfed it and it no longer did what I was using it for and I called it a bad gun until they undid the nerf

hardy grotto
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i rlly just dont ever see a time where id run either mg

verbal zinc
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same

silver fable
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like, it's passable on waveclear

craggy pier
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The point is you can do everything with it to say high cal is better than veruta is bonkers

hardy grotto
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exactly

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and it excels at everything else way more

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fnrslvr ur thing is like

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ur the DUO guy right

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why are you inting a duo by bringing a gun that excels at killing one type of enemy

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and is passable at the rest

silver fable
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and "passable on waveclear" make sense when it's good into bigs and chargers at 8m, so 30dmg high cal is good

silver fable
craggy pier
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Your duo experience doesnt include everyone else's experience

hardy grotto
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ive pointed it at enough of them

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and id rather have pointed hel gun at them

silver fable
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but also you're acting like I still don't like high cal, which is weird because I've said 30dmg high cal was at a point my favourite special

craggy pier
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Exception doesn't make the rule

hardy grotto
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imagine the hel weapon with insane stats is busted

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a wild concept indeed

silver fable
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hel gun was busted until the charge nerf, and tbh I'm coming around on your "0.3 charge hel gun is still good" cope

hardy grotto
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i mean it objectively is good

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idk why people acted like it would kill the gun

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its not nerfing the actual problems

silver fable
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like maybe it's just still busted, yeah

hardy grotto
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and u still fire it a ton so like

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idk

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i guarantee ill still hold things like i used to

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i just have to change my play a little

silver fable
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there's a reasonable chance that after a month I'd push hel gun from A on that tier list I put up, to S

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I just put it in the "overtuned with a caveat" tier because 0.3 charge gave me serious skill issue that I haven't shrugged off yet

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so I don't know for sure how it's affected the true performance of the gun

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veruta's more obvious: mg still go brrrr

hardy grotto
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i think its just insane to put hel gun below the mgs

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regardless of if u think theyre good or not

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its still hel gun

silver fable
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if it's raw power, and if we still had 0.1 charge hel gun, then hel gun goes in S+

hybrid drum
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why matchmaking takes so long , i waited in lobby for 25 mins and nothing happened , I didn't even played 1st rundown

silver fable
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0.3 charge hel gun I don't know, give me a few weeks and I may be agreeing it's in S

silver fable
craggy pier
silver fable
uneven gulchBOT
craggy pier
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.t lfg

uneven gulchBOT
craggy pier
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Boi

hybrid drum
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oh okay , i am new so i didn't knew , thanks for sharing this info kind sir

silver fable
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yeah gtfo used discord lfg for finding games in early access

verbal zinc
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🍌

silver fable
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then matchmaking was added for 1.0 but the lfg culture was already in place

silver fable
hardy grotto
silver fable
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like with 0.1 or 0.15s charge

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fwiw, if you compare hel gun to high cal, hel gun gets 9 per clip with good shooting before pen

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and yeah you can tag the body with high cal but you're a good player, you can land most of your shots with hel gun

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and hel gun also zones bigs from further than high cal

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I remember when me and ahto were just starting out with the r6 duos, and we weren't that good (arguably still aren't) but we were being carried by busted r6 sniper and hel gun and the occasional pump cameo

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then they took that stuff out, and I used high cal for most of r7 duos and it was probably the fairest gtfo I'd played in a long time

cold quarry
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the shelling arid 5 my beloved

hardy grotto
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i mean im probs still gonna main hel gun yea

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but im not gonna sleep on the high cal

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might not clear smalls as good as other guns but its still very nice for everything else which is why ill run it

silver fable
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I don't think high cal is bad anymore, I just think it's a strong fair gun now

hardy grotto
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hel revo can clear smalls really well anyway lmao

silver fable
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maybe a little bit overtuned with the 10th round per refill, iuno

cold quarry
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i think high cals in a good place now

silver fable
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I'm kinda annoyed that they gave current high cal 10 per refill, because it gives the "high cal is busted now" crowd another talking point

cold quarry
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can't be that busted when choke mod gets 9

hardy grotto
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its very nice refill

silver fable
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choke also gets a far more efficient boss fight

cold quarry
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yeah

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don't understand how anyone could say high cal is busted

hardy grotto
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id rather not run choke unless im doing the funny choke macro

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and even then i have scattergun for that

past mesa
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is dead

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actually tho

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like no meme

silver fable
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nah, choke is fine

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still great tank fight

past mesa
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scatter

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high cal

hardy grotto
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i dont think choke is that bad but i think high cal is better

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and theres burst cannon too

silver fable
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I think high cal and choke serve different enough purposes

cold quarry
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choke's 1x precision is big

silver fable
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compared to previously when they tried to force high cal into the overcrowded waveclear space

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choke fights tanks and mommies very well while still allowing you to chip into waves and knock off bigs from a distance

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you talk about high cal for r7e1, and I was using it for that before the nerf

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but I came away from my time in that level convinced that double choke was just correct for r7e1

cold quarry
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...is it not

hardy grotto
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id like high cal more just for the bigger mag and reload

silver fable
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in r7e1? there's like no waveclear

hardy grotto
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charger alarm?

silver fable
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still no waveclear

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double choke does fine

hardy grotto
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ok and i think high cal would do better

silver fable
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choke suffices, and then also stretches your ammo further on the tanks

hardy grotto
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i really dont think the ammo difference is going to be that huge

silver fable
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ammo in r7e1 can be tight

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I remember watching rick's duo and hearing them complain about the high cal ammo when fighting a tank

cold quarry
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i feel like if you fight the commence_scan instead of permafoaming ammo in that level is quite tight

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then again its been many months since i played it

hardy grotto
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high cal makes tank slower but its still pretty good

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i think the bonuses of high cal make it worth more than choke mod

silver fable
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I don't know, me and ahto dropped into r7e1 on a very recent balance, ran the same bio + sniper sentry + double choke loadout we did before, and kinda sailed past the intro scan and the double tank fight and the arena alarm

hardy grotto
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it doesnt take long to kill a tank either if ur good

silver fable
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then choked due to skill issue in reactor, but nothing waveclear related

hardy grotto
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this doesnt really prove anything tho

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you did a duo u spent forever on in the past and it was a breeze?

silver fable
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the parts that you think choke would be uptime-challenged on, it wasn't

hardy grotto
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i wouldnt say its uptime challenged

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but id like one that gives me more leniency

silver fable
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well what's this extra 2 in the mag that you care about so much?

hardy grotto
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2 extra charger kills

cold quarry
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but choke can also ice chargers from way farther

silver fable
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yeah, which I'm saying didn't matter in r7e1

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I'm not saying the extra mag capacity doesn't ever matter

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it obviously does

hardy grotto
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what was the skill issue in reactor then

silver fable
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oh I fucked up retrieving a code

hardy grotto
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like old high cal

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its not really that insane tbh

silver fable
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chargers usually step into high cal min range before tonguing

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sometimes you need to chip because of falloff, which is fine

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having to chip every charger because your base is 25 is another story though

hardy grotto
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not rlly

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u just chip them from far

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then when theyre close you high cal them

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its an extra step but it doesnt change much

silver fable
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eh, I disagree

hardy grotto
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if theyre far it doesnt really change anything lol

past mesa
verbal zinc
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it has more dmg per refill than hel revo

silver fable
hardy grotto
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usually if i have poor sightlines i move to a better spot

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especially if a full wave is coming

silver fable
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like, if you need to put 6 hel revo rounds in for every 6 high cal shots, that's adding up, and is a charger and a half that you're not just plain hel-revoing

cold quarry
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yeah that just makes high cal like 25dmg high cal

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where you needed to tap them and then finish em off every time

hardy grotto
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are people just allergic to gun combos

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i dont get it

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u know how many times i swap between hel revo and hel gun

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i guess its bad now

silver fable
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I think current high cal is good into chargers because you get most of them clean with 1 shot then chip out the occasional one with main

hardy grotto
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pistol hel gun?

past mesa
hardy grotto
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swap between them

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guess theyre bad

cold quarry
hardy grotto
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jish

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what are u swapping to there

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is this the mom kill thing again

past mesa
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what

silver fable
past mesa
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why not like 15 chargers hel rifle

hardy grotto
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cause u dont get the 5 pen consistently jish

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so its not 15

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its false advertisement

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its gonna be like

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a big variety

silver fable
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well even now high cal will struggle to match hel gun mopping up 8+ chargers per clip, because they like to clump up

past mesa
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you can get 3 pen on ave

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easy

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5*3

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= 15

silver fable
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which isn't to say high cal is bad into chargers, just that hel gun doesn't tend to allow chargers to exist

hardy grotto
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it always comes back to hel gun

past mesa
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so sad

silver fable
hardy grotto
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it

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really makes you think

silver fable
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careful, too many people talk about it and 0.4 will happen

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god, veruta's charge is 0.4

past mesa
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i think hel gun is gonna get 0,5

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next patch

thorn dawn
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can i host a lobby in a level that my friend haven't beaten yet while i have beaten and invite him to my party?

silver fable
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yes

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only host needs the level unlocked

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if you want you can go to lfgs and jump into an r4e1 lobby if someone has one going with an open slot

thorn dawn
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thanks

languid jungle
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anything I should know before I do R1C1?

ashen frigate
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Get ready to shoot. A lot.

neon gust
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Maybe youll find a good funnel!

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Potentially a hole 🤔

languid jungle
tardy ingot
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its definetly kinda clunky. But you luckily dont have to sweat about shooters due to hel rifle. Its biggest issue is playing around the reloads, otherwise you just use hel rifle as range option

Would probably only take this on lvls like r6d2 (lots of chargers)

tardy ingot
# silver fable in actual impact it's probably B or above

Honestly idk,
No one even gave an argument on why burst cannon rn should be B (or even A)

Is it good against bosses? Mom yea
Tank, yea? Kinda clunky tho if you arent close enough (compare to pr/sniper/choke)
Pmom, yea

Does it do well against giants? Yea

But damn, scattergun does all that and without having to deal with ass recoil. Plus its also better vs giants AND currently more reliable vs stacked up smalls.

Burst cannon without the shit recoil definetly is a decent alternative to it again, but with it it kinda blows.

craggy pier
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just pull the mouse down

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aint a big deal

hardy grotto
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Burst cannon has range

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it’s still good that’s why we ran it in r4e1 speed

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I don’t even think we’d take scattergun tbh

tardy ingot
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the range is not that high
The range also suffers from recoil slightly

hardy grotto
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pull down

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SMILING EMOTICON

tardy ingot
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ah yes cuz its only going up :^ )

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not sideways

hardy grotto
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beep and I were talking about the recoil recently

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It’s kinda weird

neon gust
hardy grotto
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But it’s definitely manageable to use on bigs at range

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LOL

tardy ingot
neon gust
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Kekw

tardy ingot
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but you also need to always finish them off

hardy grotto
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you don’t have to go for precision either which is why it works

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hel revo

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3 shots

mortal moon
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yes maam

hardy grotto
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Dead

tardy ingot
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3? swatBlank aha

hardy grotto
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that’s like always been the case tho

#

Is it not 3 now

tardy ingot
#

4 yep

#

Unless you hs

hardy grotto
#

Ok well that’s not really a big deal then

#

I wouldn’t disrespect the gun too hard, I dislike the state it’s in but it still puts in solid work

tardy ingot
#

oh it is since it adds up

#

i dont disrespect it

#

i think with recoil nerf reverted its a good niche gun

#

the 1 dmg nerf unironically did a lot

#

the issue burst cannon also has is that it isnt a singular standout at anything anymore

#

scattergun does take over its niche well

#

tho overall i dont agree with fns tierlist at several points (high cal imo is A for sure as an example)

native sun
tardy ingot
#

its the easiest option vs those true

#

but both scatter/sniper outperform it for shadow giants and scatter for bbcs (well it depends on if you wanna stop multiple or kill 1-2)

#

I rly just want the recoil nerf reverted

#

makes it more fun and better

hardy grotto
#

ain’t no way you just said sniper for shadow giants

native sun
#

There's major concessions with scatter and sniper for both of those, burst cannon does like 95% as well with no concessions (and more per clip)

hardy grotto
#

you know how many people will not hit that headshot

tardy ingot
hardy grotto
#

I love my synergies but I’m not running pdw just cause I refuse to run burst cannon

#

that’s kinda silly

tardy ingot
#

or about how good a gun is

#

and even i can hit those shots somewhat reliably without a pdw

hardy grotto
#

I mean if you wanna go that route just base every gun off of better bots

tardy ingot
#

then you look at nuggies or bread (tho idk if bread practiced it recently)

hardy grotto
#

Im just more so amazed sniper is still in the argument in current day

tardy ingot
#

best giant/hybrid/chicken killer
good vs tank/pmom

native sun
#

HEL rifle is the best giant killer wdym

#

(I do not seriously think this, I am adopting this stance to prove a point)

hardy grotto
#

but just hit the 5 burst headshot on hybrids and chickens

#

what now liberal

tardy ingot
#

lol

neon gust
#

Cqc with a lot of giants like r6d2:burst canon scatter

#

General big killing and bosses sniper

hardy grotto
#

ok but then you just finish with hel revo then eva

neon gust
#

K.i.s.s

tardy ingot
hardy grotto
#

I just think saying sniper is best into shadow giants is very weird

tardy ingot
#

and then can kill 4 to 8 smalls with hel revo

hardy grotto
#

It’s like cloud gaming

neon gust
#

Yes

tardy ingot
hardy grotto
#

if you run pdw sniper sure

neon gust
#

No psw

#

Pdw

hardy grotto
#

Id rather do it without pdw cause it feels more epic

neon gust
#

Just be a chad and distinguish wich stance the mofo spawn in

hardy grotto
#

Distinguish the stance from 300m away

#

The chad way tbh

neon gust
#

How many fucking bridgee copy and paste together

hardy grotto
#

I prefer a more realistic approach to the game tho

native sun
#

Distinguish the stance and tell which animation they're in

neon gust
#

A single bridge tile its like 80m

#

Thefuck you on 200m

tardy ingot
#

that was a hyperbole

neon gust
#

My asscrack aint even that big

tardy ingot
neon gust
#

IM SETTING A JOKE

#

Forgetbouit

#

You could master sniper likw some folks and use sniper on shadow big

#

Is it weird yes

hardy grotto
#

It’s fun

#

That’s why I used to run it in r2e1

neon gust
#

But yeah why the fuck would you use sniper

#

When tbe other two alternatives are easier

tardy ingot
#

thats litteraly what i said swatBlank

neon gust
#

I dont know i just jump in

silver fable
neon gust
#

I dont even know what tje topic is

#

I just follow common sense when i see something resembling a conversation!

mossy aurora
#

did anyone else ever play heat versions where sniper had thermal

native sun
mossy aurora
#

that shit was OP af

neon gust
neon gust
#

Theres some truth to it

native sun
#

Actual good topic though, would diminishing returns on penetration weapons fix how they break the game (like first hit deals 100%, second does 80%, then 64%, then 51.2%)

hardy grotto
#

Plus sniper user

hardy grotto
#

At least hel gun and hel revo would be

#

but that’s because they’re just strong guns pen aside lmao

mossy aurora
#

WTFFFF MY EMOTE

native sun
#

Could pick the dimishing value so you still get 2 striker kill too

#

HEL Gun losing pen-body + hel revo body would make a decent difference I think, weapon still very good

mossy aurora
#

i think that change would kill hel rifle in its current state. its too bad at other things and too good at the thing it does well. if you nerf the part it's good at then its doodoo

silver fable
#

still get headshot + pen kills

#

but takes the edge off the filthy pen funnel cleanup scenarios

mossy aurora
#

also charge up time nerf for hel gun doesnt do much to how good it is. its mainly a nerf to muscle memory, functionally it still does all the things it could do before

native sun
mossy aurora
#

and i say this as someone who ditched it after the first change because i was not willing to relearn it. now im sawed off scatter main

silver fable
#

I'd make some point about it killing slower, but ryk has some major beef with "dps"

#

it's also harder to land headshots but I'm not sure how much that's just induced skill issue

mossy aurora
#

you empty your clip 1 second slower wow

silver fable
#

overall I think it's a bad nerf direction

native sun
mossy aurora
silver fable
#

I said further up that I'm coming around to beth's cope on hel gun still being cracked

silver fable
#

ammo, damage?

native sun
mossy aurora
#

imo, 1 shot stagger, hs+bs or 3 bs, fast reload, good ammo capacity

silver fable
#

and what would you nerf?

native sun
# silver fable and what would you nerf?

My ideal change for hel revo is:

  • clip size 8 -> 6 (addresses insane uptime)
  • ammo reduced 5-15% (addresses crazy high attainable ammo efficiency)
  • pen 2 -> pen 3
mossy aurora
#

NOOO

native sun
#

Lean into the pen, reduce the stuff that makes the gun broken outside pen

mossy aurora
#

the mods that change hel revo to 6 per mag ARE CURSED

native sun
#

Imagine having to make your shots count

mossy aurora
#

what about hs+bs still kill, but 4 bs

silver fable
#

the clip 8 -> 6, pen 2 -> 3 idea has been going around

#

I don't entirely mind it

mossy aurora
#

and the 6 mag issue was also mainly a muscle memory one too lol

silver fable
#

but also, is dmr a slight ammo buff away from completely busted?

native sun
native sun
native sun
#

But maybe the 4 shot on chargers is too strong

silver fable
#

I'm not a fan of the 4 bodyshot idea

#

I don't know, I think the "1 hs + 1 bs or 3 bs, reload cancel" standard course for hel revo is pretty fair

mossy aurora
#

OR

#

keep hel revo how it is, buff all auto mains, and make all maps harder

native sun
silver fable
#

with the nerf the hel revo gets a new clip in about the same time as dmr, as well

native sun
#

I think it is important for balance for hel revo to be worse than pistol/dmr in cases where you're not getting substantial use of pen

#

But to be better when you are getting pen

silver fable
#

sure, though I'd probably look at ammo/clip considerations there

#

could also look at damage/dps (hel revo gets 40dps to dmr's 30) but then ryk would get mad

native sun
#

hel revo/dmr dps does not really impact time to kill, which is the actual important stat

mossy aurora
#

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

native sun
#

Most of the time is in aiming the headshot, the time to the follow up body shot is small in comparison

mossy aurora
#

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^AMEN SOMEONE GETS IT ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

silver fable
#

can matter into bigs, though imo it's a minor consideration

native sun
#

Yeah it can, hel revo is definitely better for mag dumping bigs

#

But it doesn't matter for strikers

tardy ingot
native sun
#

DMR is already good, and I think the biggest thing that ways it down is poor ammo econ and competition with hel revo, so yes, buffing its ammo econ would matter a lot

tardy ingot
#

its why legacy balance would never work

silver fable
#

I guess an issue with the 6 mag idea is that it would agree with the reload animation, and thereby ruin the funny

tardy ingot
#

noooo no more funny

hardy grotto
#

I think they should not touch hel revo :)

silver fable
#

tbh I'm at a point where I'd be fine with that

#

6 mag also wouldn't bother me too much

#

or an ammo reduction

tardy ingot
#

ammo reduction is the change that doesnt change the gameplay of it while still making it worse

#

which would be my first choice

mortal moon
#

IZ THE CARBINE GOOD?

silver fable
#

yes, carbine good

tardy ingot
#

honestly hel revo having a base efficiency of 9/refill (which is easy to get due to semi auto hs+bs)

#

is kinda stupid

hardy grotto
#

I just think some guns should not be touched

tardy ingot
#

it needs less, considering pen is a thing

tardy ingot
mortal moon
tardy ingot
#

im kidding (mostly)

hardy grotto
#

Of course

#

ok but like hear me out

#

Hel revo? Instant CLASSIC

#

Everyone loves that gun

#

Except one guy but we don’t talk about him

silver fable
dry pumice
#

Carbine is just a giant no-brainer

#

Too much ammo

mortal moon
#

ook sir

#

will try

dry pumice
#

At this point the worst main weapons are probably Assault Rifle and HEL AP

#

With former just being "eh, not too bad, could be worse" and latter just... I don't know. Being all quirky and shit.

tardy ingot
#

@hardy grotto i think an ammo nerf (after the current reload cancel nerf) to either 2 (or 3-4 if trying to push it down) bullets less would be fair

dry pumice
#

You can get value out of it, but not the usual way.

hardy grotto
#

Yes it would be fair

#

but u know

silver fable
#

beth does make a good point

#

hel revo is practically the hammer of mains at this point

hardy grotto
#

There’s like 2 things I wouldn’t touch in this game

#

hel revo and hammer

#

a part of me wants to put hel gun and burst cannon up there too but that’s just my bias

tardy ingot
#

aside from that why touch hammer

silver fable
#

the thing I didn't mention here is that I've asked for hammer nerfs before

#

charge time back to whatever it was in r5, get rid of that r6 stagger buff too

#

in exchange I would probably offer occi tap to please the vets

tardy ingot
#

changing charge time? Eh

#

just stagger

tardy ingot
#

why bother

mossy aurora
#

i would rather have soft collision removed than occi taps

#

for a hammer compensation buff

silver fable
#

soft collision has been a mess from the start

#

on charge time, I just still think soloing bigs is a bit too free

#

maybe speed up their tongue attack, so if they attempt tongue after soft stagger they get you first

tardy ingot
silver fable
#

hm, fair point

tardy ingot
#

stagger nerf is enough

#

soloing bigs will always be free

#

solo stealth is another point

#

but thats not smth people rly do

silver fable
#

I don't know, I imagined the whole using movement and cover and timing when to start your charge thing could've been a thing again

#

but maybe that's just stuff that inexperienced players do because they don't know it's free yet

tardy ingot
#

unless you count minimal orb walking

silver fable
#

I vaguely remember you could lose the race if you just dumbly stood there charging the next hit after landing the last one

#

I feel like there's a video somewhere of khepri giving tactics for solo hammering bigs that has some timing stuff in it or whatever

#

but again you could just be right

tardy ingot
#

Mix of it

#

it was still kinda brainless

#

also regarding hel gun

#

i feel like a lot of people would stop using hel gun if you nerf dmg to below 15

#

as it would suddenly be pretty ass vs chargers

#

and less efficient vs giants

hidden ridge
#

I want to be able to tap occi strikers again

tardy ingot
#

meanwhile the charge up nerf makes it more of a line up gun that becomes very strong if you can deal with the charge up for general combat

minor fractal
# tardy ingot not sideways

It's not randomized, though, which is the only thing that matters. I can personally attest to brushing + special damage being about as cracked as before.

#

I dunno, I'm slightly of the mind that giga-busted AltR3 patch was just better to play on.

hardy grotto
#

rayalot gets it

#

they were just fun guns to use tbh

#

even tho they were broken

minor fractal
#

Being able to straight up out-skill things is just fun.

#

I kind of "get" Legacy rn.

hardy grotto
#

HE GETS IT

tardy ingot
#

i get the „fun“ aspect

#

but anyone who uses that needs to then be quiet about guns being too strong

hardy grotto
#

i think ultimately id rather have strong guns that are fun than like

#

trying to achieve this perfect gun balance thats probably never possible by nerfing all the guns that are fun

tardy ingot
#

thats a subjective take that i can understand (id prefer a mix but thats hard to achieve)

hardy grotto
#

i mean id like balance but i dont want guns to feel awful to use i guess

tardy ingot
#

but its fucked when people complain about op guns being nerfed since they arent as fun anymore when they complained about them being busted before

hardy grotto
#

ofc

pastel quartz
#

A simple solution to Hel Gun is to increase the reload time

tardy ingot
#

uhh what

#

lol

mossy aurora
#

hel gun but it has bp reload

hardy grotto
#

u know i still wonder why they did reduce the reload time in og r6

mossy aurora
#

IT WAS TOO WEAK

minor fractal
#

I think the wider playerbase wasn't very good at HEL Gun until R6.

#

Everyone was HEL Rifle stans.

hardy grotto
#

is the wider playerbase really that good with hel gun even now

#

probs not with all the changes i guess

hardy grotto
#

i blame a certain tier list

minor fractal
#

💀

#

He came around next patch, okay.

hardy grotto
#

he did

#

but still...

#

i like to think hes to blame for all the times i got tked by hel rifle

neon gust
#

whos tierlist?

#

everybody got a fucking tier list here

silver fable
#

khepri I'd guess

stuck elm
#

hel rifle is good cause it one shot pens chargers

#

but bad cause the reload and overall firerate are slow and sometimes make me wanna kms

craggy pier
#

didnt khepri leave before r6.5?

silver fable
#

sounds about right

hidden ridge
#

khepri left

silver fable
#

but if you ask me which r5 tier list made everyone into hel rifle stans, my first guess would be khepri

hidden ridge
#

then made a video with a lot of good points of criticism aside from the rant he went on about checkpoints

hidden ridge
#

I remember people using HEL Gun a lot during the first days of r7

silver fable
#

people used a gun that rotated out a lot at the start of r7?

stuck elm
tardy ingot
#

R7 hel gun bot abusers smh

hidden ridge
craggy pier
#

noppers

hidden ridge
#

😐

silver fable
#

nope, no hel specials in r7

craggy pier
#

perhaps you should go sleep

silver fable
#

r6 had hel gun but no hel rifle

hidden ridge
craggy pier
mortal moon
#

how tf do you find the collection case in R7B1

fierce walrus
#

use terminals

#

ping the case when you are in its room

#

or query it to see what zone its in

#

(or if you are using bots you can use Q and 2 to tell a bot to pickup the objective item)

dry pumice
# mortal moon how tf do you find the collection case in R7B1

Find terminal.
Note what zone terminal is in.
LIST CASE
QUERY (case's item name)
Is it in the same zone as terminal?
Then PING (CASE).

If you're solo - exit terminal, do not move, and pay attention where the ping is coming from.
If you're with a squad you can do
PING (CASE) -T
to ping it continuously and help your teammates find it.
You cant leave the terminal while doing so.

#

And yeah, it's a bitch to find because of the fog. It looks like a large, flat box with coloured vials or something.

hidden ridge
#

collection case I'm pretty sure it's always named COLLECTION_CASE without any numbers

dry pumice
#

That is what I vaguely remember, but can't be sure

waxen jetty
#

he says our ammo was tight

#

as he fucking sits ontop of the garage so chargers dont hit him

#

LOL

past star
#

I prefer the mountain

#

More skill

silver fable
#

have you considered finding some chill?

#

pretty sure after the alpha section we were usually walking away from some amount of ammopacks in the zones surrounding arena anyway

past star
#

Rick is the second most chill guy I’ve met

#

Don’t disrespect him

silver fable
#

I wouldn't call that disrespect

#

considering roughly every second thing rick has had to say to me has been intended in ill faith, I think I've been pretty patient

waxen jetty
#

wow guys im toxic

silver fable
#

I'd say more bitter at the moment

waxen jetty
#

bitter at what

silver fable
#

I have no idea, you came into this community with some chip on your shoulder

#

other people have to put up with the stink of your attitude

waxen jetty
#

do they

silver fable
#

only you know why you make other people hold that

past star
#

I feel that’s most people tho who play gtfo

silver fable
#

I'm just some guy who plays the video game and likes to talk about it on here from time to time

#

I don't get why you lot are out here gatekeeping the ultimate duos cult or whatever

waxen jetty
#

we dont even talk about duo as much as you

#

my duos this

#

my duos that

silver fable
#

or speedruns, or whatever

#

my point is that you sure seem sensitive about this being good at the game shit

#

who cares?

waxen jetty
#

that lukewarm attitude might be why you struggle on e tier duos

silver fable
#

we'll struggle on e tier duos all we want, does it matter?

waxen jetty
#

means you dont get my respect

silver fable
#

I don't care about your respect

waxen jetty
#

which you seem to care about or something

#

considering this convo started

silver fable
#

I care about you randomly shitting up the server with random snipes at me

#

cut it out

waxen jetty
#

LOL

#

this little nice schtick is why you ppl are so boring

ocean spindle
#

so anyways

#

dmr is cool

#

and the sight is too

#

if u disagree delete ur account

past star
#

Pls stop with the weapon discussions noooo

ocean spindle
#

no

#

if we dont weapon discussion that happens

#

we need to keep going

past star
#

We need a separate channel for that

hidden ridge
ocean spindle
#

:[

hidden ridge
#

😄

ocean spindle
#

ok fine
u go with doubletap then

lone mortar
#

@hidden ridge pley?

hidden ridge
lone mortar
#

thats a bad trade lol

tardy ingot
#

F

hidden ridge
#

Load up some Supermario voices and shuffle the words

#

same thing, really

lone mortar
#

i want the static mic

#

not another muted

#

@tardy ingot

hidden ridge
#

You want super clickety clacky keyboard?

lone mortar
#

pley?

lone mortar
#

@tardy ingot pley?

#

oh wait he on phone

past star
#

You don’t need to @ him twice

lone mortar
#

shit

tardy ingot
#

im on a spanish island, studying geochemistry

lone mortar
tardy ingot
#

you know id love to play than to do this

#

but i kinda cant

lone mortar
#

how is weather over dere

hidden ridge
#

Why does Spain get to keep so many islands anyway

tardy ingot
#

Is ok

past star
ocean spindle
lone mortar
#

with us

past star
#

No

lone mortar
past star
#

As long as that emoji exists I will never

tardy ingot
ocean spindle
#

spanish

tardy ingot
#

No

#

Spanisch*

ocean spindle
#

im gonna eat your utensils

past star
#

How are the rocks over there 3646superfunnybread

tardy ingot
#

Rocky

hidden ridge
fierce walrus
#

are they tasty?

tardy ingot
#

honestly idk
I got sick, but still have to study

lone mortar
ocean spindle
#

no estoy bien slendi

lone mortar
#

dead ass slendi

fierce walrus
#

oh god they are using the funky latin language

ocean spindle
#

si

lone mortar
hidden ridge
#

quanto funky li vuoi, cubix?

ocean spindle
#

dies

lone mortar
tardy ingot
#

Muere

fierce walrus
hidden ridge
#

"mecoglioni"

ocean spindle
tardy ingot
lone mortar
hidden ridge
#

Kaiser really has an arsenal of gifs

lone mortar
#

eva when he is forced to write a incantation of 20pages in 4days instead of GTFO

hidden ridge
#

comprised of 50% cats but still

lone mortar
hidden ridge
lone mortar
#

aight bae

tardy ingot
#

man fuck
If i pass this exam my life is good

#

if i dont i gotta do an extra semester

#

and it fucks over my bachelor degree plans

lone mortar
#

but the GTFO

#

it tatse so good

silver fable
#

you got this

lone mortar
#

@hidden ridge

#

coom

tardy ingot
# silver fable courage

Im always a pessimistic fuck when it comes to exams/grades

Chemistry also being the only thing i failed an exam in before :|

Aaaaaaaaaah

topaz anvil
#

Biggest rollercoaster experience

tardy ingot
topaz anvil
#

Electronic instrumentation is my weakness

#

Got 10% in that exam

pallid remnant
#

whats the best special machine gun? i decided to try the arbalist in a run last night. i liked it

tardy ingot
#

Both are very good

#

pick what you prefer there

ocean spindle
#

veruta is faster and i think staggers but it is super heavy recoil

#

so just depends on if u like can control it

#

its a choice really

pallid remnant
#

is there a major difference

ocean spindle
#

both r nice

pallid remnant
#

i would rather maintain control while firing

ocean spindle
#

um veruta is speed of light, bit of a bigger mag, arbalist is a bit more dmg, less recoil and more paused firerate

#

mab jesus christ

pallid remnant
#

lol

ocean spindle
#

mag :]

tardy ingot
pallid remnant
#

i knew what you meant

#

i think i'll stick with the arbalist then

#

ive been using the deagle since r7 so i wanna try new weapons

#

def want the sniper rifle, but that is very contextual

ocean spindle
#

being flexible with ur guns is nice, i kinda go all around so if i need somethin specific for some mission i can run it
also cuase most of the guns are fun as fuck :]

pallid remnant
#

we love the carbine for main, but special weapons seem to give more freedom

ocean spindle
#

yeah main doesnt give u much option but specials are just kinda, almost all of em are super good but depen on the level n stuff

dry pumice
#

Specials are the real killers, mains are "switching is faster than reloading" situation.

#

Or to compensate shortcomings of the special...

ocean spindle
#

unless u, have hel shotty or somethin ksks

pallid remnant
#

yeah. i wouldnt bring the sr if we're fighting hordes of smols

#

i used the hel shotgun like once

#

i used the buckland once i think

dry pumice
#

Which fucking one? There's like 4 of them.

pallid remnant
#

i think the basic one

dry pumice
#

Only lmgs get to use manufacturer names. Call the rest by their function.

pallid remnant
#

not chokemod

dry pumice
#

Rifle, Pistol, smg, etc

ocean spindle
#

the mag size on it has saved me, quite a bit

craggy pier
#

is my keyboard broken or can't i jump while sprinting anymore ?

civic wave
#

you can jump while sprinting, maybe not while charging spear but I can't quite remember

abstract fjord
#

where can I contact game support? You can't play the game

dry pumice
hardy grotto
#

Your ammo was tight, it would’ve been even worse if you shot that section

#

I wonder how high cal would do comparatively now tbh

#

Especially with the extra ammo per refill

waxen ore
#

Does high call pistol one shot a scout?

lone mortar
waxen ore
#

Thank u

lone mortar
vague bridge
#

and the back

lone mortar
dry pumice
#

It even drops the thicker scouts with a back shot now.

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Bring booster to secure those extra degrees of angle.

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Actually did that in CX recently. Feels good to have my boy back.

lone mortar
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how much was the different between the high cal ammo then and now

sturdy glen
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It gets 1 more bullet per refill now

soft crater
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Just head

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Unless you're like sniping scouts with it from super far distances

fierce nebula
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use sniper sentry and bio to snipe scout

soft crater
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Use gun

lone mortar
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i just go in and boom goes the scout

mossy aurora
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Anyone else with a brain here thinks hi cal is bad?

hardy grotto
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terrible gun

craggy pier
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Its whatever

hardy grotto
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in my TRIOS it just hasnt been holding up

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i did some TRIOS the other day and it just wasnt putting in work against smalls

mossy aurora
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Anyone else here think Gerz is a PUB?

hardy grotto
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and in those TRIOS i wouldve rather used something like machinegun, a gun actually good against bigs

civic wave
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Arbalest sweep

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I hope they buff veruta, arbalest is just so much better

hardy grotto
craggy pier
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Or your takes are out of the box

hardy grotto
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arent u a better bots user

mossy aurora
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WHOS TAKES

verbal zinc
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Machine gun is for players who can’t aim and just spray and pray

hardy grotto
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its true...

mossy aurora
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I'm not religious so I don't use machine gun

hardy grotto
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deadly wouldve been very good at the machinegun

civic wave
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Fs

mossy aurora
craggy pier
hardy grotto
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makes sense

hardy grotto
mossy aurora
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Can we get hans landa azert back

past mesa
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I like assault rilfe mg

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Bio

verbal zinc
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Pub

hardy grotto
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good loadout

craggy pier
hardy grotto
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LOL

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new toxic clique member just dropped

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no way

mossy aurora
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LOL

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SCUFFED DEFAULT DISCORD PFP

past mesa
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I wonder

verbal zinc
hardy grotto
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Kevin when are we duoing og r4e1

verbal zinc
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I don’t pub

past mesa
verbal zinc
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Pub take

past mesa
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You can’t go throwing the p slur this common idk

past star
verbal zinc
past star
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Fuck

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You right

hardy grotto
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we need to conduct a study on why mg users are pointing their gun at bigs now

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who told them to do this

past mesa
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The stagger muilt

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Stagger is worth always

dry pumice
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Uh... Shooting thing is fun? Probably?

hardy grotto
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stagger players…

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Artek shoot at the smalls instead

dry pumice
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What if there isn't any

hardy grotto
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then go for back multi

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or don’t bring machinegun

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Unless you’re fireblade

sturdy glen
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mg shoots the mom not babies clearly

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mg users dont get it

hardy grotto
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this is ur doing man

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u started soloing moms with fucking

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sawed off mg or something