gtfo-related-questions

[lone mortar]

Pdw 1.94dmg

Huh

[soft crater]

Pdw is 2.15

[sterile citrus]

^

[halcyon mango]

lol

[dry pumice]

Is it

[lone mortar]

Oh

Lol

Phew

[craggy pier]

pdw is the thermal one right

[dry pumice]

Are you all reading different wikis or something

[halcyon mango]

ye

[lone mortar]

No

[heady moat]

Yes

[soft crater]

Warp gate doesn't know the numbers

[lone mortar]

No

I did modifications

[heady moat]

The GTFO wiki's stats are up to date 😤

[lone mortar]

So L on my side

[soft crater]

Modding. Pog

[sterile citrus]

Scattergun 128 Dmg . 256 Friendly Fire Dmg . 👍

[lone mortar]

Ngl its very fun

[craggy pier]

wait fr kaiser?

[lone mortar]

What?

[soft crater]

9001 friendly please.

[sterile citrus]

Lol

[soft crater]

Need that extra 1 to confirm the kill cause rounding error

[craggy pier]

you got beamed from lfgs?

[sterile citrus]

True, screw rounding error

[lone mortar]

Nope

[craggy pier]

oh

L kaiser

[lone mortar]

I didn’t even change anything lol

Im just rounding stats up to joke with u

Cause im suing hard mode

Which makes every auto weapons shit

[keen seal]

makes you aim for the head

[lone mortar]

Me when the sniper deals 23dmg

And deals 360dmg to head

[soft crater]

On teammates right?

[lone mortar]

No

I never shoot teammates

[soft crater]

Wack

[lone mortar]

Only on special occasions

[soft crater]

Your teammates must be the sleepers then

[lone mortar]

Nah bruh

I run away from eva on extraction

Saved my life

@rich mountain got the most kill on me btw

A whooping 16 kills lol

[soft crater]

@rich mountain be like

[lone mortar]

3 of those i fought back

[soft crater]

And lost

[rich mountain]

u had no chance

[lone mortar]

But died anyways

He was to cunning

He aimed where i was in the fog lol

[rich mountain]

its almost like i can see your outline in the fog lmaooooo

youre not invisible in the damn fog

[lone mortar]

You have a specialty for that

That strikes me an idea

Should i hold a contest of who ever kills me most gets a discord nitro?

[rich mountain]

what if i already have nitro?

[lone mortar]

Good question

[rich mountain]

i think i should just 10 dollars

so that i can get me some food

[lone mortar]

Man im broke too bro

[sterile citrus]

Agreed. Buy him a pizza

[rich mountain]

see? he agrees

[lone mortar]

10$ is like 4 days of me having a normal life meal

Money works differently on my side lol

[rich mountain]

$ dollars is nitro tho

10*

[sterile citrus]

For Just 10c a day you can feed a starving warpgate. Just donate today.

[rich mountain]

never

[lone mortar]

But its a contest

[rich mountain]

ill just kill him in any level i play

even if it throws the whole level

[lone mortar]

Fuck i have to stop lfging now

[rich mountain]

i dont even have to lfg

u just join my damn lobbies

smh

[lone mortar]

Well

[rich mountain]

....

[lone mortar]

When you put it like that like that u right

[rich mountain]

mhmm

rule 7 breaker

:p\

[lone mortar]

Ayo

You lfged for sure

[rich mountain]

for some of them

most of the time u just join

[lone mortar]

Nah man u trippin

[rich mountain]

bro

stop capping

[lone mortar]

Dont bro me mister

[rich mountain]

BRO

[lone mortar]

Out of 10 you dont lfg mostly 2

Plus u dont have proof

Heh

[rich mountain]

challenge accepted

better watch out warp

[lone mortar]

Now im gonna ping u on lfg every damn time i join

[rich mountain]

u ping me a lot anyways

[lone mortar]

Counter that biatch

The idea still stands tho

[rich mountain]

when does it end?

[lone mortar]

Ima make it real

[lone mortar]

Bro I haven’t decided to start yet out of the number of ppl

Its just you and uhh….

[rich mountain]

well im number 1

thats all that matters

[lone mortar]

You cheatin

[rich mountain]

how?

[lone mortar]

You already have 16 kills on me

[rich mountain]

theres no rules yet???

so how can i cheat?

[lone mortar]

Nah bruh you racked up kills before the contest

Thats cheatin bruh

[rich mountain]

i rack up kills on everyone i play w

thats why its hard for me to get lobbies

[lone mortar]

Nuh uh

You still had me lol

[rich mountain]

and how many times u died?

i should a killed u more

[lone mortar]

Kek

[rich mountain]

just sat at the beginning of the level and just kill you over and over again

and never even leave the first room

[lone mortar]

Wondered why u stopped after the R7C3 accident

[lone mortar]

Woah

[rich mountain]

because i moved on to r6d3

[lone mortar]

Downed does not mean killed

[rich mountain]

ill revive u

[lone mortar]

Cant farm me now biatch

[rich mountain]

and then put you down again

[lone mortar]

Downed is injured not dead bro

[rich mountain]

and?

[lone mortar]

Extraction downed is dead

[rich mountain]

i gotta get these kills somehow

bruh

[lone mortar]

Gotta go hunt me then boyo

[rich mountain]

now u changing the rules already

[lone mortar]

Hey

[rich mountain]

fuckin cheater

[lone mortar]

Dead is deceased on the end screen

[rich mountain]

uggg fine

ill just kill you ever single level i play w you then

[lone mortar]

Now imma run back to spawn and get the out of bounds trick

[rich mountain]

the scatter gun has a great use now

[lone mortar]

So u cant get me bleh

[rich mountain]

ill find a way

[lone mortar]

Sure u will

[rich mountain]

anyways i got to get back to class

cya

[lone mortar]

Aight

Ima bed

Talk to u later

[rich zealot]

R1C1 tips guys?

stuck on it

[fierce walrus]

bring 3 burst sentries and one biotracker

hold the bridge

one sentry in the hole in the wall, one on the bridge facing the hole, and then after around the 4th wave put the 3rd sentry facing the open security door behind the hole in the wall

as the wave timer gets closer to the end have one person run to the reactor terminal to put in the command when needed

use the free time between waves to go back and get resources

[soft crater]

Try to use guns with Range as well.

Well decent range. Some people bring close range weapons and end up struggling

[winged turtle]

bad level for shotguns unless you are both

1. Very Good With Shotguns™️ and
2. Have a plan.

[wind wren]

How does precision multiplier work? Taking sniper as example, is it 40base dmg x2 precision multi +2x for head?
So 40x2x2 so 160?

[vague bridge]

base damage times precision multiplier whenever you hit a head or tumor

then multiplied to whatever multiplier the body part is

[wind wren]

And times dmg increase for that weak spot?

Alr thanks : D

[vague bridge]

in the case of a giant striker its
40(base)•2(precision mult.)•1.5(front head) = 120

[wind wren]

Good to know, thanks a lot

[vague bridge]

np

lots of guns do have a multiplier around 0.73-77, so you're gonna have to do a little math and discuss who does headshotting if someone didnt bring sniper

[tardy ingot]

Generally

[heady moat]

The precision damage stats are available on the various spreadsheets and on the wiki, which might help a bit with your calculations

[tardy ingot]

if you dont have a sniper, dont bother headshotting giant strikers

obviously theres cases

but the dmg doesnt matter

[wind wren]

Wait, so it would decrease? or is it base+ base×precision?

Cuz I am looking at some stats rn, and burst cannon has 0.73, but its hard to imagine that that means they decrease dmg

I'm a bit confused

[ocean spindle]

guns have a base dmg, when u hit headshots the base damage its multiplied for the precision damaged, for example 0.7, and then that number is multiplied by the multiplier of the weakness of the enemy, for example, a giant that has a x2 in its head
so u always en up in more damae, never in less damage

for example, u nab a dmr and shoot a striker in the head

damage of the dmr is 7.5, its precision multiplier its 0.8, and the multiplier of the strikers head its 3

7.5 x 0.8 x 3 = 19.6

which is almost a oneshot

[wind wren]

Ahhh I see, makes sense now. Thanks!

[heady moat]

anywho the guns still deal more damage to the head than to the rest of the body anyway, even after the precision damage multiplier penalty

(unless ofc the weapon had a multiplier below 2/3 on a head with a multiplier below 1.5x which is the lowest head multiplier iirc)

But in general unless you're using a weapon that deals a lot of damage per shot, it's not always worth bothering with the head (at least on giants) - feel free to headshot trash mobs with whatever though

[wind wren]

Is burst cannon a strong weapon? Its stats seem really good but I almost never see it being used. Same with bullpup (tbf that's only rly from Vids, havent played whole lot with normal teammates,mostly bots)

[turbid horizon]

Super heavy recoil now

[hidden ridge]

There's something very very bizzarre sometimes with reactor levels by the way

[turbid horizon]

So it’s pretty hard to control in favor of weapons like scatrrgin

[heady moat]

Bullpup is finally worth considering though with the recent buffs

[past mesa]

Burst cannon

Is very good

Do not believe the lies

[heady moat]

Burst cannon does take some getting used to

[hidden ridge]

Basically sometimes latency is fine until you start reactor itself

then it goes to fuck itself and nor even rejoin fixes it

it goes 100-0

[past mesa]

I wonder why this is

[wind wren]

Yeah I also had that happen today

[hidden ridge]

I'd think it's my problem but sometimes I see that reported by other people

[hidden ridge]

More enemies stress the host pc/connection?

[wind wren]

I see, but if I just aim somewhat low in big enemies it shouldn't rly matter right? Surely recoil isnt that insane

[hidden ridge]

I guess they'd mention it in other cases

[past mesa]

Ehhh I have seen more sleepers and gotten less lag

Something is wrong with reactors I forget with

[heady moat]

Might still need some manual recoil compensation

[wind wren]

Damn

[heady moat]

It's 0.7s of anticipation and then 5 beeg shots at 1000rpm

[solemn sorrel]

Burst cannon is for troglodytes or cowards

Trogs if they can't kill it w a one shot weapon, cowards if they can't go full auto

[soft crater]

[wind wren]

How about 10fps Andys who cant stay on Targets well bcs of low fps+ input delay and don't trust their pc to not suddenly get 5fps and cause the 1tap to not even go through

(aka me)

[soft crater]

Pray

[hardy grotto]

burst cannon is very good ignore that guy

he likes bat

[wind wren]

Brotha I am already doing that every time I rightclick

[soft crater]

@ocean spindle Will remember that

[wind wren]

Ah, so every one of his opinions is invalid, got it

[hardy grotto]

exactly

u understand

[civic wave]

Bat is ok but it's also like smashing your foot with a brick and then complaining about how slowly you have to walk

[wind wren]

Knife and hammer supremacy

[ocean spindle]

:[

[wind wren]

No you're special. I trust you despite your treason and that major flaw

[soft crater]

[light halo]

whats a good primary?

[ocean spindle]

pretty much all of em, depends on what u wanna use

automatics, range, semis, precision weapons, wave weapons

some easy to like start are carbine n smg, assault rifle, pistol, rifle...

but i say u try em all out to see which ones u like :3

[cold quarry]

yeah after r6's patch i'd say the only bad primary is the hel auto

[light halo]

ya just dont feel like going through all the weapons

[cold quarry]

use whatever looks coolest then

you'll be fine

[light halo]

man last time i played this was when it was just hammers lol

[ocean spindle]

now u got so many options

[wind wren]

Is there any good tier list for weapons/turrets rn?

[heady moat]

Burst turret is best

[ocean spindle]

tier lists on this game arent super useful

cause, how can u rate certain weapons that r super nice for some levels, but inflexible

like the sniper rifle

[wind wren]

And weps? Cuz the ones that seem reliable are old and idk how much changed

[heady moat]

Much did change

[civic wave]

every weapon is fine, mostly

[ocean spindle]

yeah just like, 2 outliers n thats it

[wind wren]

I mean ye ofc, I'm mostly looking for a general overview

[civic wave]

for turrets, burst sentry is always good, sniper sentry is a bit niche but can work in many situations, shotgun is more niche and has weirder applications, auto sentry you never pick

[upper ginkgo]

only worth learning hel revo, hel shotgun, and helgun
everything else is a waste of time

[wind wren]

Those being?

[ocean spindle]

hahhhh

[ocean spindle]

um hel autopistol which is a stagger weapon

and precision rifle cause even tho it got buffed its still not really super worth

tho u can make use of it sometimes

i picked it for r4a2 runs

[wind wren]

I see, I'll just avoid those for now in that case

Thanks a lot : D

[heady moat]

ofc when it comes to bots, just give them the burst rifle and the veruta

[ocean spindle]

cause yes :3

kmsdkm

[heady moat]

and never give them C-foam

They are bad at it

[ocean spindle]

but yeh if u wanna like well know more about a certain weapon u can always ask or check the gtfo wiki

[wind wren]

Yeah I learned that the hard way

[ocean spindle]

i sas long as u see where they are its not that bad smdkmsk
but yeah usually, mines work good enough on em

but i like mines so i keep em

[heady moat]

And they can use sentries

And the biotracker

[wind wren]

Gtfo official wiki is fandom wiki right?

[heady moat]

Yes unfortunately

[ocean spindle]

yeah its made by the users

but still very useful

incredibly nice

[heady moat]

I wasted a lot of time getting those weapon stats and associated maths on there 😤

[wind wren]

Cant wait for them to migrate and fandom still show up as the #1 result with unupdated info

[wind wren]

Well that's the most official it gets for most games anyway, thanks once again guys

[sturdy glen]

so true

fandom is awesome

[ocean spindle]

ah the company fandom

[heady moat]

Not a fan of the autoplaying videos (which nobody asked for) that their staff love polluting wikis with

[ocean spindle]

no yeah website sucks but the work that has been put into the wiki is marvelous :]

[topaz anvil]

My favourite is the obstructive ads that follow you everywhere

[warm epoch]

Are there checkpoint scanners in every like level and if so where is it in R1B1

[ocean spindle]

checkpoints are only available in Rundown 6 and 7

from 1 to 5 its all as it is

[warm epoch]

Ok thank you

[red flax]

How long is the stealth "grace period" after aggroing an enemy RIGHT next to an enemy you killed?

[ocean spindle]

the animation of it wakin up and if ur lucky it goin to the sides or attackin

but it can scream right away for all its worth

so aim for the head as the animation of it wakin up its ending

[red flax]

That's not when I'm asking, if you kill an enemy, there's a grace period where you can't aggro any other enemies by hitting the wall, an enemy, etc... after an enemy wakes up from killing the enemy

[ocean spindle]

... is there

well i just, discovered that

[red flax]

Additionally, how long is the cooldown before if can happen again?

[fossil gyro]

did r1c2 get nerfed? i remember the last door being a class 7 and running it with a buddy tonight it only ended up being class 4

[ocean spindle]

no, it was a class 4 always pretty sure

[sturdy glen]

hitting a wall will wake stuff

pretty much, any enemy that is already awake cannot wake up another enemy (besides by screaming ofc)

only the waking up of an enemy can wake up another enemy, which is capped at 1 for long range and has no cap on close range

so for example

long ranging an enemy

killing it will not be able to wake anything, even something it is on top of

but your movement to it, hitting a surface, flashlight, etc, will all still be able to

[red flax]

But hitting the enemy wont aggro stuff

[sturdy glen]

yes, assuming it is already awake

/been woken

[red flax]

Is this always the case, or just after it was woken up by long aggro/close aggro

[sturdy glen]

the condition is already awake

it can be a wave enemy

still applies

so a random enemy running into the room and you killing it

[red flax]

Gotcha, so there is no "grace period" like I thought?

[sturdy glen]

cannot wake up an enemy through long/close range aggro

yeah, in gameplay it is basically a grace period, but in mechanics it isnt technically

[red flax]

You said that there was no cap on enemies that can close aggro, right?

[sturdy glen]

ye

if theyre in range

they WILL aggro

[red flax]

By close range do you mean enemies that are glowing, or enemies that are asleep?

I remember hearing somewhere that if there are 3 enemies practically kissing, killing one will only aggro one other if none of them are glowing

[sturdy glen]

if they are within that close range aggro distance, they will wake up no matter what state they are in

its a pretty short distance tho

long range is the one that is based off glowing

and even that is still rng if they are glowing

[whole grove]

Take the time to observe enemy behaviours and limit test what you can and can't get away with. Watch other people play in teams and especially solo, such as Hinoki or T-nenpi. Although this is a niche game, there more very experienced players out there to watch.

[red flax]

I'm doing everything as spoiler free as I can, learning on my own to enjoy it the most

[rancid smelt]

what is the difference between bullpup and regular auto rifle?

[fierce walrus]

bullpup has a longer reload i think and more range

[ocean spindle]

im guessin u mean assault rifle
bullpup has a big mag, no recoil, super fast firerate but a very long and lenghty reload, basically a bit of an easy weapon to use but with downside
assault rifle has a bit less in mag

it has a more normal reload and a very controllable recoil too

bullpup does have a bit more range yeah

but well they both kinda share dmg so i guess its just kinda what u wanna pick

the easy no recoil long reload, or the 30 bullet mag fast reload also easy gun

[soft crater]

bullpup damage got buffed****

[ocean spindle]

has the wiki not been updated

[neon gust]

The damage are almost the samw

[soft crater]

it is

[ocean spindle]

then i die

ok then yeah same dmg

2.1 vs 2.185 or somethin

smh my head why u correctin me

im gonna steal ur shoes

[soft crater]

before the buff

it was below 2 damage

[ocean spindle]

... ok

um

[neon gust]

Slendi its right theyre the same damage

[ocean spindle]

im dumb what am i missin

that- doesnt mean anythin in this convo

yes before the buff im talkin of the rn

[soft crater]

you can say that about a lot of the guns dragon

[neon gust]

You confused slendi!!!

[ocean spindle]

am i a dumbass or

cause im legit not gettin u at all rn

[neon gust]

No just missunderstood

😭😭

[ocean spindle]

a dumbass ok

[neon gust]

Lmao

Technically tho

Bp.its superior

Now

[sturdy glen]

bps a lot better on precision

[past mesa]

Actually I heard him speak

[sturdy glen]

like, a lot better rn

[past mesa]

He has worse opinions in vc

[neon gust]

Im at work

I can join but be muted

[ocean spindle]

i dont like sayin 'this ones better' when someone comes askin for a gun, i just describe em both and they can choose

[soft crater]

[past mesa]

I am in the train I want to go back to math

[sturdy glen]

when we have like

7 of the same gun

in main

just say whats better ngl

[ocean spindle]

eh, between the 7 theres minor differences

[turbid horizon]

Eh

[past mesa]

Chill what is better hel pp or hel shotgun

[ocean spindle]

and, why not just say em

[turbid horizon]

Just use whatever you like tbh

[ocean spindle]

if someone comes askin whats different between pdw n smg im just gonna say the numbers and let em pick

...

[sturdy glen]

thats a rhetorical question right jish

[ocean spindle]

goddamn it eva is makin me learn numbers

[turbid horizon]

I don’t think there’s a gun that’s downright bad anymore

[ocean spindle]

fuck

[past mesa]

No it is a quick anwser what is a better gun

[ocean spindle]

the scattergun

im jokin

[ocean spindle]

yes but i enjoy sayin shit about this game

[sturdy glen]

I mean hel pp is pretty useless ngl

[ocean spindle]

so might as well

[sturdy glen]

id say its the bad gun at this point

[ocean spindle]

eh u cant change a lot about it, it was before

we just pretend its not there

[sturdy glen]

it only has a place where hel shotgun runs out of 14 shots somehow

which is literally never

[turbid horizon]

Wasn’t it nuts in OG R4?

[ocean spindle]

hel shottie? i doubt so

[neon gust]

What gun

[turbid horizon]

autopiss

[past mesa]

Ehh tbh I think it is over shadowed in r4

[neon gust]

It was aight

[turbid horizon]

Other than hel revo

[past mesa]

Burst cannon plus hel rev where in the game

[neon gust]

^

[turbid horizon]

I know i saw a lot of it in R4E1

[neon gust]

Helpp its escentially rhe same

[turbid horizon]

Videos obviously

[sturdy glen]

ppl also took auto sentry

so like

[past mesa]

Tbh I think if we went back to r; meta

Pp wouldn’t be used

[neon gust]

It was nice for main

[past mesa]

Even if hel rev wasn’t in the game

[turbid horizon]

yeah idk what to do to it tbh

[neon gust]

You could easily hold a wave cheaply with it

[turbid horizon]

I want to make it better in my mod

[neon gust]

Its good it doesnt need chanhe

[past mesa]

But you could just kill the wave

[turbid horizon]

But so far the only thing I’ve managed to do to it is make the icon 300% bigger

[ocean spindle]

:3

[soft crater]

give it back it's reload cancel but 6 shots

[turbid horizon]

[sturdy glen]

now we do both

because hel shotty is a balanced gun

[turbid horizon]

No autopiss

I meant autopiss

[neon gust]

When everybody its reloading theyre bc and hel revo targetting individual targets its way easier to covee people tap firing woth autopp

[turbid horizon]

It’s a good support gun

[neon gust]

And since r4e1 first 30 min was basically cqc central

[turbid horizon]

People who call it bad strike me as the people who call hell shotty bad

[neon gust]

You get good value out of the gun

[turbid horizon]

Like it ain’t bad

[neon gust]

Kinda like dmr on bridges or floodways

[sturdy glen]

im calling it bad

[past mesa]

I understand

[turbid horizon]

Just not made to kill

[past mesa]

Yeah but idk about take guns not meant to kill

[sturdy glen]

its good at its job, its job is just bad

therefore its bad

[turbid horizon]

Yeah i mean surge alarms exist

[neon gust]

Its job its bad on maps that doesnt benefit it

[past mesa]

Wrong

[turbid horizon]

Damn

[neon gust]

Unlike.most other guns that are more generalist

[past mesa]

You want to know what is a longer stranger than the animation

The walk from their spawn

[neon gust]

Funnily enough surges are bad for stagger weapons

You wanna kill on surges

[turbid horizon]

damn

[sturdy glen]

this just loops back to hel shotgun argument

[neon gust]

Of course

[turbid horizon]

Or foam the ladder

[neon gust]

I mean i cab crowd control with both of them

Doesnt mean its bad

[turbid horizon]

I’ve beaten approximately 0 vanilla levels with surges

[sturdy glen]

yeah but hel shotty kills everything alongside staggering it all

[turbid horizon]

So I wouldn’t know

[sturdy glen]

and gets a lot of ammo as well

[neon gust]

I would say helpp its a safer pick since you can reliably stagger enemies far away

That 8 stagger its no joke

[turbid horizon]

8?????

Wtf?

[sturdy glen]

isnt it only 5

8 is auto sentry I think

[neon gust]

And since you dont really give a shit a bout falloff you can just be safe and pick on the incoming sleepers

[ocean spindle]

is 5

[turbid horizon]

hmmm

That gives me a bad idea

For Occ

[neon gust]

Got it confuse with 8 shots to stagger a big chargee

[ocean spindle]

hel auto sentry on r7e1 aiming at pablo

4 of those

[arctic marten]

*immortal

[fierce walrus]

you realise the point of calling him pablo is to not spoil his entire mechanic, right?

[minor fractal]

Exactly, this is why flyers should be called spaghetti and meatballs.

[craggy pier]

spaghetti

[dry pumice]

Pretty sure that's not the reason at all. Not originally anyway - maybe post-hoc. Some guy just immediately started calling him that and it spread.

[fierce walrus]

its the name in the data im pretty sure, but it also doesnt spoil his mechanic

[dry pumice]

Hey @arctic marten youre the local data-diver. What is Pablo's in-code name?

[ocean spindle]

bitch
pablos name in the files is bitch

[civic wave]

tank_boss

I love tank_boss

I just call him grandpa because you're stealing the key to his workshop for a car battery to go on a road trip through the desert

[arctic marten]

tank_boss

[arctic marten]

if i wanted to spoil his mechanic, i would call him "staring contest tank"

[lunar rain]

Why does r6 have the best tile set and objectives?

Like the other rundowns are fine and all but like r6 is just better?

[ocean spindle]

cause idk maybs cause with r6 they kinda did a face wash to gtfo cause it was 1.0

[civic wave]

and it's the closest ALT to its original

it coming at a later time meant it had more to work with as well

[lunar rain]

Like the objectives are actually unique not just a rinse and repeat of « oh get this hsu and come back »

[ocean spindle]

...

well

nevermind

[tardy ingot]

mmhm
R6/7 generally have better design in a lot of ways

but thats just cuz they are newer i guess

And a lot of them are generally quite similar to others, just spiced up

[dry pumice]

I think focus on spoiler place helps a lot with that.

7 of the missions involve it in some way.

I guess we can sort of exclude A1 since its pure visuals, but it's quite an exciting surprise.

And maybe, just maybe, the use of more fun tilesets like research sector, etc.

[sturdy glen]

R6 was the downfall of the game and is the easiest rundown tho.,.,.,,

[dry pumice]

Don't care

[ocean spindle]

r7 is hard. content

[verb]

[past mesa]

I wish we got r6 has a 20 hour marathon all pe missions

40 plus zones each

[arctic marten]

its not good content if you're not there for 2 hours

[past mesa]

Screw that I miss the 12 hours r7b3

One day we will return

[tardy ingot]

Is this supposed to be sarcastic?

[crisp salmon]

Can someone explain to me what’s good about scattergun?

I think its.. completely unhinged in my experience

[tardy ingot]

unhinged ?

[crisp salmon]

Like

Unreasonable

[craggy pier]

its the ultimate home defense gun

[crisp salmon]

.>

[craggy pier]

u aint gon have no white dudes on your lawn when they see that bad boy tear a mf

[crisp salmon]

Because it was smoothbore and nailed the neighbors dog?

But fr why not an lmg if its hordes, or why not get value on giant kills with precision or HEL

[craggy pier]

its also good for mothers n tanks

[crisp salmon]

Hmm
Only went against mother yet but I guess could be nice

[tardy ingot]

Precision rifle, value on giants

What

[dry pumice]

It's a sniper rifle from another mother.
Giant / boss remover for close range combat.
Also optional utility of blasting it into a tightly packed wave, if in a pinch. Can't do that with sniper.

[tardy ingot]

13 dmg vs 128

[crisp salmon]

No, like sniper

[tardy ingot]

But yea what artek said

[crisp salmon]

I know pr is not really for them

[crisp salmon]

Hmm ok

Also.. I hear burst cannon is really good but I’m not sure how to use it properly, is it the same kinda thing with giant/boss remover but med range?

[tardy ingot]

Burst cannon was rly good until ALT R4

then it lost 1 dmg (big change for the breakpoint), a bit of ammo and gained awful recoil

[dry pumice]

Burst Cannon is also another sniper from another mother... But this time for medium range.

[tardy ingot]

it was practically scattergun (but less dmg) but with more range, able to kill multiple strikers with each burst and more bursts/mag

[dry pumice]

And yeah, it's currently not great.

Scattergun 128 damage point blank range.
Sniper is also 120+ if headshot.
Burst Cannon is only 95.

A hard sell.

Maybe if it was to gain a single HEL properly or something...

[crisp salmon]

Ok thx
Also.. scrolling thru the chat here I saw people saying hel shotty is a problem or something? Personally I think its amazing

W/ my noob experience

[dry pumice]

HEL shotgun is a source of many a debate. Some think it's amazing, some hate it.

[tardy ingot]

hating it is fine
Those who say its weak are just wrong tho

[dry pumice]

The latter are mostly wrong.

[tardy ingot]

absolutely monster of a main with clear intentional draw backs

even with those its still easily top 3

[crisp salmon]

I love it on facility maps, horde value after mines are gone

Thx

[grim knot]

Does anyone got tips on using the sawed off and the heavy pistol

[lone mortar]

High cal and sawed off?

[grim knot]

The one tap body shot pistol

[lone mortar]

High cal lets you play recklessly

But with a more ammo efficient run

Sawed off rewards you for playing bold

[past mesa]

Shoot high health targets. Back dmg on giants

[grim knot]

So clear the mooks with the high cal and run up to the bigs with sawed off?

[past mesa]

Clear high health mooks

Don’t shoot things people are shooting

And then back dmg giants cause 4 hits is a tad slow

[lone mortar]

6shots

6 lickers or shooters

[dry pumice]

Both guns deals 30 damage actually

[lone mortar]

Well

[dry pumice]

It's quite a radical build

[lone mortar]

That is on paper for the sawed off

[dry pumice]

You can oneshot smalls with either.

And then mag dump bigger targets.

Use high cal from afar and then sawed off is pretty much melee with ammo

Don't miss.

[lone mortar]

^

[sturdy glen]

yes, very (sorry went to an exam)

[lone mortar]

@dry pumice back when we played R1D1

Did you bring the PR on purpose?

Funny how I remember that from 4 months ago

[dry pumice]

Did I?

Right... Yeah I think I did.

[lone mortar]

Yes

Very into the game also

Tactical general

[dry pumice]

I remembered shadows and so decided to solve that problem.

[lone mortar]

Literally ran before us at the shadow extraction

[dry pumice]

Didn't do me any favors in the reactor itself - no sight lines anywhere unless I'm not scanning.

[lone mortar]

I remember playing with a new guy

And he needed R1D1 clear bad

To move onto R2

I wonder where he is now

[dry pumice]

shrug

Chances are hes gone

[lone mortar]

So sad

[dry pumice]

It is what it is

[lone mortar]

Btw

Ive been thinking

If gtfo

Had the same budget as those hoyoverse mfs

What would you think

Gtfo stand like

I feel its gonna be like more enemies like a modded rundown lol

[dry pumice]

Hoyoverse?...

Budget doesn't work like that

[lone mortar]

Genshin/honkai you name it

[dry pumice]

Things don't just get better with more money. Hollywood made that point too clear in recent years.

[lone mortar]

True

Butttt

[ocean spindle]

butt

[lone mortar]

It does promote it quite well

[lone mortar]

Shaddap you mexicano

[ocean spindle]

:[

[lone mortar]

Dw slendi

Wrong emoji

[ocean spindle]

AHH QWQ

ILL SHUT UP

[lone mortar]

@dry pumice you sure the motivation doesn’t really make a difference to making much more stuff for this game?

Feels like TF2 already

But less popular

[dry pumice]

It's a combination of things. But motivation is the most important one.

[lone mortar]

I was thinking

Could the monsters also adopt other animals trait

By assimilating them?

[dry pumice]

They could go crazy with enemy design if they wanted to. We gave them ideas all the time when suggestion channel was alive. Did any of it got implemented? Nope.

[lone mortar]

Thats what everything goes lol

Lots of ideas

Lots of critical thinking

Lots of passion

[dry pumice]

It's mostly just testing. Testing is boring.

[lone mortar]

But meh

[dry pumice]

One of the most horrifying concepts to me in gaming is cut content.

[lone mortar]

Ouch

Abandoned concept

Everytime too

[dry pumice]

Like check all the FromSoftware cut content videos. Entire enemies, npcs, quest lines get scrapped on a whim.

[lone mortar]

Just by the tentacle monster from trailer

You would imagine a whole tileset

Story campaign revolves around the mf

Stuck with these goofy ahh sleepers with no more gore and violent features except for their face

Homebois got no fingers nor toes lmao

Oh yea

@dry pumice you’ve been hearing alot of bethseda lately?

Bout starfield and all that jazz

[dry pumice]

Watching it with a corner of my eye

So far seems to be a standard Bethesda release.

[lone mortar]

A sandwich takes what pixels and morphs now?

[dry pumice]

A little unpolished, modders will fix it in like a year and it'll be the best game ever. Maybe.

[lone mortar]

Hear me out

What if gtfo was on UE4-5

Would the gameplay be the same?

Would the visual bugs sit there

Would the graphics not overload my computer

Would i be able to enjoy it like right now

[dry pumice]

Fuck if I know. Maybe.

[lone mortar]

I saw

A few games

That was pulled out from unity and brought on UE

I dont recall them

But very experimental

[dry pumice]

Witcher is on unreal engine and handles about just as well. Hifi rush, huh... Wouldn't have guessed.

FNAF Security Breach

Hehehehehehe

Yeah... Engine doesn't matter.

It's just effort and skill.

[daring oak]

recommend me a good main weapon thats conservative in ammo?

[sterile citrus]

Carbine/Machine Pistol. Carbine max ammo 376 can 2 burst all smalls. Machine Pistol Max ammo 635 good for waves.

[daring oak]

what?

[jagged shore]

what do you mean "what?" they answered your question

[lone mortar]

Feels like theyre not playing the game rn

And ask on oblivious opinions

[sterile citrus]

Other 3 decent ammo guns, SMG ,Heavy SMG , Bullpup, but I dont like them personally.

[lone mortar]

It is not solely

“Oh yeah this guns great it is very powerful”

[sterile citrus]

^

[lone mortar]

But more like to ask “will this gun support and or fill a specific role that my team dont have yet?”

[sterile citrus]

^ Team has 2 snipers already im bringing Veruta if theres alarm doors with waves of smalls so on

[daring oak]

sorry i dont what carbine?

[lone mortar]

It boils down to the point of not you but the whole squad pair

[lone mortar]

How bout

[jagged shore]

the gun with the short name "carbine"

[lone mortar]

You play the game

[jagged shore]

it's like van auken or smth

[lone mortar]

And try out everything

Then ask us ehh?

[lone mortar]

Real question

Fav main?

[jagged shore]

for me defo carbine
feels so cozy

[lone mortar]

I dig pdw

Always allow me

[sterile citrus]

No one uses the Manufacturer name

[lone mortar]

To become the 2nd bio

[jagged shore]

and for some reason i really tend to have worse aim when ADSing and carbine having tight hip spread just feels so nice

[lone mortar]

Yeah that also

Hip fire is also good in tight situations

[sterile citrus]

Carbine / Hel Revo / DMR best mains IMO

[lone mortar]

Pdw is still my main to pick

[sterile citrus]

Hel shotgun for certain levels

[lone mortar]

But i can settle for others

[jagged shore]

dmr has always felt best served as a support gun to me
it's not bad on its own but the efficiency if you're being support

[sterile citrus]

Ya PDW is nice also I will agree with that

[lone mortar]

Its just the thermal sight enables me the best recon ever

[sterile citrus]

Well I will say I only use the DMR with a main dmg booster

Never without

[jagged shore]

since striker headshot leaves it with a piece of sand for health

[lone mortar]

I use pdw into support roles now

But

The funni urges

Me to bring pdw/scatter gun

So based loadout

[sterile citrus]

Scattergun is just too fun

[dry pumice]

I should use scatter more, train myself to use it right.

[lone mortar]

Hey

[dry pumice]

Very cool gun, but dear god using it is impossible.

[lone mortar]

If you ever see a straight line of enemies

[arctic marten]

just left click

[dry pumice]

I imagine I could easily go the entire level without shooting it once.

[sterile citrus]

Ya just barrel stuff and LC Boom goes the Giant/Hybrid/Blood Door

[dry pumice]

10% / 100% woohoo

[lone mortar]

Scatter gun is very funnily good against a pack in a alarm

[sterile citrus]

Who needs mines when you have a scattergun

[lone mortar]

Like

Im racking up 5 kills per scatter gun blast

Pick up kills

Peashooter time

Go back to reloading

Rinse and repeat

[sterile citrus]

Reload doesnt exist with the PDW the cancel is so fast lol

[lone mortar]

Even with nerfs lol

1.2s into 1.4

[sterile citrus]

IKR it didnt effect it at all

[lone mortar]

Kek

The dmg is noticeable

But other than that

Still S tier imo

S- or maybe worse

[sterile citrus]

Oh i wonder why it felt weaker

I didnt notice they dropped it .15

[lone mortar]

I mena

Heavy smg

[tall coyote]

PDW enjoyers 😡

[lone mortar]

Now is very viable

2.45dmg 32 in mag

[sterile citrus]

Ya Same with Normal SMG with the 50 clip

[lone mortar]

Makin the smg not suck ass

And the only smg thats strong is nerfed

[sterile citrus]

😦

[lone mortar]

Full auto i mean

[sterile citrus]

I dont get the pistol buff it doesnt seem enough

It still feels terrible

Even with like 70% main dmg I swear

[lone mortar]

Rifle nerfs is terrible

[sterile citrus]

Ya i dont get the rifle change either

[lone mortar]

Like does anyone ever use the damn thing

[tall coyote]

that's because pistol does smg damage while being single fire

[dry pumice]

Rifle was an upgrade to pistol basically

[lone mortar]

Name me 1 guy who mains rifle

[dry pumice]

So they decided to close the gap

[lone mortar]

Instead of dmr

[dry pumice]

I would if I wasn't a pistol simp

[tall coyote]

unironically true

[lone mortar]

Valid point

A peashooter lover

[sterile citrus]

Maybe its just me but everyone says the bullpup buff was so good I still think that gun is 100% Pure ass

[tall coyote]

nah bullpup is goated

[lone mortar]

It is very better now

2.1 dmg 2.5 reload was it?

[dry pumice]

You are still better off using the rifle probably

[sterile citrus]

Maybe be good if you could reload cancel it imo but the ammo coming back so late in the clip kills it for me

[lone mortar]

Or 2.1 reload also?

[tall coyote]

it's way better than the ar imo

[lone mortar]

Laser shooter am i right bruv

[tall coyote]

I mean yea

u can just drag lines over heads

[lone mortar]

Literally a plasma gun from doom eternal

[tall coyote]

no control needed

[lone mortar]

Much like the ads aim of pdw being “HARD TO CONTROL”

[sterile citrus]

I dont find any gun hard to control in this game personally

[lone mortar]

The damn thing spreads its checks in hip fire

[sterile citrus]

Even the Veruta isnt that bad full rip

[lone mortar]

But become god on ads aiming

[tall coyote]

meh

the ads on the other smgs is way better

[dry pumice]

Nice genes

[lone mortar]

Same

[sterile citrus]

Too much Apex Legends CS GO and Valorant

[lone mortar]

Im collect ling from other ppls story to add up

[tall coyote]

only one I've had any trouble with is the burst cannon

[sterile citrus]

Okay ya agree with that

The burst does kick insane'

[tall coyote]

shit snaps ur neck

[sterile citrus]

LOL

[lone mortar]

The weapon is throwing out 50bmg ammunition

So yes

The ability to break your torso from the kick is real

[dry pumice]

The entire fucking point of burst tech is no recoil

Bs

[lone mortar]

Crap

[tall coyote]

I don't really run the machine guns much tho

[lone mortar]

Imagine if hel shotgun was center fire

[tall coyote]

too much of a precision weapon enjoyer

[sterile citrus]

The PRecision Rifle buff was nice

Can 1 shot scouts from the front now

[lone mortar]

Still dog water for a special tho

[sterile citrus]

Lol agreed

[lone mortar]

Much like the fabled pre buffed heavy smg

[tall coyote]

my precision rifle is getting flamed again

[lone mortar]

Everyone wished it was on opposite side of weapons category

[lone mortar]

Eww

[jagged shore]

i'm pretty sure it could before?

[heady moat]

I still find it weird that it's somehow an automatic weapon

[dry pumice]

Absolutely not

[daring oak]

the pdw thermal is great

[lone mortar]

Not now

[tall coyote]

it always could?

[lone mortar]

Lol

[lone mortar]

Precision multi works wonder

[dry pumice]

From medium range / within range

[sterile citrus]

I never used it pre buff I thought I saw a lotta people saying it couldnt

Math says it can though

[tall coyote]

was there a buff recently?

[jagged shore]

it had a shorter-than-expected range yeah

[sterile citrus]

Ya 11.4 to 13 dmg

[tall coyote]

cause I never struggled killing scouts

[dry pumice]

It can, but it becomes unable to at range most people are not comfortable with

[tall coyote]

otherwise idk

I like its flexibility

[lone mortar]

Welp

Time@to mimir

[dry pumice]

I had a missfires once or twice

[tall coyote]

good ammo, good vs smalls and bigs, 1 shots scouts, thermals

[dry pumice]

It's unpleasant.

[lone mortar]

Reject hooman

[tall coyote]

idk why people hate it

[lone mortar]

Embrace sleeper

[dry pumice]

Horrible mag to reload value

12 bullets is so much better

You can solo a wave almost

[sterile citrus]

But ya math before was 44.46 dmg no dmg falloff so with dmg fall off itd do under 42

Now a front shot is 50.7 I think.

[tall coyote]

weird

I've never had it go inconsistent on me

unlike the revolver

[sterile citrus]

Is the Math DMG x Multi x (Crit Multi) for the calculations?

[lone mortar]

I dunno

I never took notice

I just go bonk the mf

[heady moat]

Yes

[jagged shore]

looks like new pr should be able to os(f)hs from up to ~39m now ftr

[dry pumice]

Niiiiiiice

[lone mortar]

Nice

How u gonna aim tho

With that yee yee as scope

[tall coyote]

it's a good scope!

[lone mortar]

Sure bud

It is

[dry pumice]

it is not

[lone mortar]

[sterile citrus]

Its....a scope

[tall coyote]

[lone mortar]

Literally see nothing on long range

[sterile citrus]

Its not bad/good imo but it exist

[heady moat]

It's one of the thermals of all time

[lone mortar]

Welp

Time to mimir

See yall tomorrow

Will you be free then? @dry pumice

[dry pumice]

No. Weekends or bust.

I'm a late night shifter every time.

[jagged shore]

oh wait excuse me i punched in a number wrong
~36m, up from the ~32 it had before

accidentally punched in scout health as 39* instead of 42

[heady moat]

It happens

[jagged shore]

13 was in my head so much from the actual new pr damage that i typed it instead of the actually relevant 14 sadge

[dry pumice]

I wonder why 13... I was advising 15, but alright ill take it

[olive robin]

What are the blank spaces for on the sectors youve completed?
It looks like

R6B1 "HEXAHEDRONS"
ARTIFACT HEAT: 93%
COMPLETED: [1, -, -, -]

what is this part for [1, -, -, -]

[turbid horizon]

Main, secondary, overload, prisoner efficiency

B1 only has main so the rest are “-“

So if I’ve done R6C3 main only twice and PE once, it’ll show [3, 1, 1, 1]

A level like D2 would be [1, 1, -, -]

[heady moat]

aren't those supposed to be showing how many times each person in the lobby cleared the level?

[player1, player2, player3, player4]

(with the -s meaning that the player in that slot hasn't cleared that level yet)

[jagged shore]

no
it is objectives

[main, secondary, overload, PE]
dash is the objective isn't there, otherwise it's number of completions

that's why you can see it when you aren't in a lobby lol

[heady moat]

oh ok

[civic wave]

if that was the case, it'd read [X,0,0,0] whenever you looked at the rundown screen outside of a lobby

but ye it's always been for your clears of whatever sectors the level has

[heady moat]

tbf if it was the case, the zeroes would be dashes anyway, so it would be [X,-,-,-] in that situation

[civic wave]

hm, maybe

[heady moat]

as you can tell, I haven't gotten around to doing R4-R7's sectored levels yet 😅

[flint silo]

Can you stack boosters of the same type? like 3 provision me - d for example

[ocean spindle]

yeah u can pick one muted one bold one aggresive of the same thing and the percentages will sum up i think

[flint silo]

this opens up a whole new world of possibilites

[ocean spindle]

time for 99 infect resist and 100 x melee dmg

[weary turret]

Hello, fellows and felons alike. So I just came back after a long break from this game, and I have no idea what's going on. There's a ton of new weapons, and I wanna get everyone's consensus on what weapons are good, and why.

[ocean spindle]

theres so many weapons its like 30 and they just got abalance patch idk if someone can give u a FULL GUIDE of all of em while being up to date tbh

[silver fable]

just redid my tier list: #gtfo-media message

[weary turret]

yes

[ocean spindle]

bullpups stilll on d

[silver fable]

yeah reload is still a dealbreaker

I feel like I gave it a fair shot, and it does feel like it kills smalls more sharply (but I was okay with its kill rate before)

but I'd just stop having a main in the middle of fights and that's not okay for a gun that still has typical main impact within a clip

[ocean spindle]

... problem with tier lists are they just kinda dont account for the flexibility of the gun, i personaly cant rate a sniper/scattergun for example cause its shit on some levels but saves butt on others

but well thats my dumbass

[silver fable]

yeah especially with specials you can't just take the S guns, as I noted in my comments

but I use the special tiers to represent where I still think a gun is too pushed for what it does

[weary turret]

Okay, I'm already confused.

I have no idea what each gun is, especially since the tier list doesn't have any names.

[ocean spindle]

u can guide urself by the icons ingame

[silver fable]

yeah I didn't make the tiermaker, that's just one that has all the guns

[ocean spindle]

its the same ones

[weary turret]

There are still a few that look REALLY similar.

[ocean spindle]

idk what to say tbh, i mean its my, too many ingame hours tbh its my bad but, idk look for the mags and the butt of the gun i guess

[weary turret]

And also, that list is just telling me what guns are good and which are bad, but not why.

[craggy pier]

You should become familiar with the rest of the game before figuring out what weapons are good

[ocean spindle]

theres just not like a full complete guide on all of the guns... up to date

[silver fable]

mains
S: hel revo, carbine, hel shotty
A: pistol, dmr, rifle, burst rifle, pdw
B: smg, heavy smg, sawnoff
C: assault rifle, machine pistol, hel autopistol, double-tap
D: bullpup
specials
S: veruta mg, arbalist mg
A: combat shotty, hel rifle, hel gun, heavy assault rifle
B: high cal pistol, pump shotty, choke shotty, sniper, scattergun, revolver, precision rifle
D: burst cannon

[ocean spindle]

yeah u should just like, try guns out, see what u like

and then maybs just searchin or askin here if the weapons ok

[silver fable]

yeah it was made to represent my view to people who already basically know the guns

feel free to ask about any of them

[native sun]

HAR as A tier is a bit of a take IMO, it's just kinda fine, but it does not excel at absolutely anything

[weary turret]

Gee willickers, I'd love to... if there was like, a shooting range.

[past mesa]

burst cannon c

is insane

[ocean spindle]

u can go r1a1 or r1c1

[past mesa]

but that is my only issue

[silver fable]

actually rayalot's most recent reddit thread has a lot of discussion of the weapons that's probably still mostly valid and I wouldn't disagree too much with

[ocean spindle]

r1a1 has an alarm right away

and r1c1 is just, 8 rounds of alarms

tho it takes a bit more time

[jagged shore]

Ooc would you out it higher or lower

[ocean spindle]

u can do both levels just to see every gun well

[past mesa]

it is at least b

[ocean spindle]

'recoil this recoil that' move ur mouse or somethin idk

[past mesa]

probs can make an argument for a

[native sun]

There are a lot of burst cannon deniers, I have grown accustomed to this. They need to play more levels with 3 active pmoms at once smh

[weary turret]

What about the thermal scoped ones? I feel like those would be great for picking out shadows on the missions that have them.

[silver fable]

it's the most caveated of the "overtuned with a caveat" for me, it murders waves and kills bigs faster than veruta (which is already great into bigs) but it lacks ammo

fire rate buff was a bit suss imo

[ocean spindle]

yes, but precision rifle is in a weakspot rn

kinda probs the weakest special

[weary turret]

How come?

[ocean spindle]

pdw is nice tho, very nice automatic

[jagged shore]

Long ass reload mainly
Better now cause of mag buff but once that mag is spent you need to be good for a while to fill it up again

[ocean spindle]

it is a dmr but special, it has a super long reload, it has kinda pity dmg, relies on headshots, and its only made for mostly small enemies, it can onemag a big from the front but every other special can practically

is just a bit akward

even with the... 'buff' it had

[silver fable]

I just want them to ditch the recoil nerf or something, rationally it probably does perform at least at B

[weary turret]

Alright, how does Hel Shotty and Hel Rifle combo sound?

[silver fable]

clunky imo

[ocean spindle]

its, a bit funky

[silver fable]

hel shotty and sawnoff are kinda more like specials slotted in main than true mains

any other good main paired with hel rifle is probably fine

[ocean spindle]

both guns have a long reload, i mean on paper sounds ok but, the moment u take both out ur gonna have a funky time reloadin both; maybs if u had a team to back u off

[sturdy glen]

yo thats my main

[silver fable]

maybe eva would find a reason to bring hel shotty and hel rifle in the same loadout into a level

[sturdy glen]

it is not clunky at all unless you play it poorly or somehow get into a situation where you need to dump both mags

[ocean spindle]

oh no several people writin

[sturdy glen]

which is like way too many kills

[silver fable]

I'll admit to a bit of duos bias

[sturdy glen]

in duo perspective, totally agree

[weary turret]

Yeah, I tend to play with a full party of 4

[silver fable]

if you have plenty of teammates to cover for your reloads then having high-impact long-reload guns in both slots becomes less of an issue

[sturdy glen]

id definitely want a weapon with a very low reload to replace one of the 2

[weary turret]

Or, at least try to.

[ocean spindle]

yeah if u have a team its way more feasible

[native sun]

It's pretty alright, I think the biggest thing is that both those guns (especially when played together) will make you very cyclic.

Up close, you shoot your hel shotty, and when that's done, hel rifle aint it up close, so you should back off and reload, or back off and shoot hel rifle.

Out far, you shoot your hel rifle, and when that's done you either push in for hel shotty, or just reload hel rifle.

Since the weapons have very different ranges and fairly long reload you don't really just stay still and shoot from one place, you gotta push in and out of the fray.

[ocean spindle]

just rely on ur team if u gotta kill a lot

[weary turret]

Actually, that's like... my favorte playstyle.

[native sun]

Then you will likely enjoy that loadout.

[weary turret]

Cool

How about melee? Are they mostly interchangable?

Well, despite the range

[native sun]

tldr: hammer

[weary turret]

aw... I like how the bat looks tho

[past mesa]

you can use it

[weary turret]

Oh cool