gtfo-related-questions

[lunar rain]

Kk thank you

[lunar rain]

That’s what I am starting to think it is

[civic wave]

it does get easier with time

[lunar rain]

Granted I am struggling with r3c1 and I really shouldn’t be, it’s an easy level

[ocean spindle]

it is, really not super easy

i mean the start kinda

the end hurts

[past star]

Shadow Resolution, not quality

or maybe both

but I know resolution is a main one

[lunar rain]

Set to high as well?

[past star]

very high

[slate orchid]

does the matchmaking just not work at all? Or are low teir missions just undesirable? I cannot seem to find anyone at any R1 or early R2 missions

[past star]

matchmaking is through discord not in game

dont use in gam

[lunar rain]

Just gonna crank that to the max, ty

[cold quarry]

does very high make a notable difference? mine's on high

[past star]

i just know higher the better

i would have to test to see difference

[turbid vault]

Ok, so now we are falling in a drop forever.

[past star]

Ok

[lunar rain]

Tends to happen

You’ll eventually get out of it

If not change hosts that tends to help

[turbid vault]

Haha 😄 there is alot of stuff just not working

[past mesa]

what level are you playing

check logs tbh

[turbid vault]

r1a1

[vague bridge]

do shooters not deal exactly 5 damage

[lone mortar]

from 3-5 i think

[past mesa]

Funny funny float value

Sometimes they do 4.9 dmg

[vague bridge]

wow thats cool and interesting

[vague bridge]

ill keep that in mind for when im at 15% health with infection and theres a tank on me

[jagged shore]

? it's 14?

[rose yoke]

Guys, where i need to put lobby code to join?

[icy cave]

Just copy

[ashen frigate]

Once you have it on your clipboard, and get back into the game , a red box button will appear on the left side of the screen

[icy cave]

Option will appear ingame

Ctrl C, cause click copy does not work

[solemn sorrel]

how many missions are available to play currently?

[tawny hound]

how hard is this game

[solemn sorrel]

ever play payday 2?

[tawny hound]

yea

[solemn sorrel]

its like 2 overkill deathwish levels want to ruin your life and dark souls is holding you down. also theres 3 other guys getting wrecked with you

[ocean spindle]

58 or so?

[ocean spindle]

hard :3

i mean not impossible, but itll take practice

[tawny hound]

yikes

[solemn sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-whole-point-well-duh-duh-no-shit-obviously-gif-10441125

[tardy ingot]

The game is fair but the learning curve (if you dont look up anything) is rough

[dry pumice]

About a dozen per rundown so like 60 maybe

[solemn sorrel]

so im at 45% completed so far

and most of that is the easy rundowns

[tardy ingot]

its not super mechanically intense as long as you can aim decently (you dont need cracked aim but it helps). A lot of stuff is knowledge. Once you hit later/deeper levels that get harder youll have to play off of experience with a mix of good movement and shooting

[dry pumice]

Very much. It won't hit you immediately, but at some point the realization will come when you realise how truly fucked you are.

[tardy ingot]

honestly the beginnings look the hardest cuz you have no clue of anything

[solemn sorrel]

right around when the last ammo pack was 3 zones ago and youve got a lvl 5 scan coming up into a room with 3 scouts

[civic wave]

the game is mostly decision making and positioning

[tardy ingot]

regarding levels @solemn sorrel theres gonna be 71 total in 4 days. Over 80 once rundown 8 hits

[dry pumice]

Something like that. Or when you wipe 5 times on the same mission.

[solemn sorrel]

resource management, loadout choice, map knowledge, team management, aiming (it does matter, you need to hit weakspots correctly and in order sometimes), and brutal trial and error

[ocean spindle]

in order?

ah well yeah i guess so

my dumbass

[solemn sorrel]

if your teammate has the sniper you dont want to pop that head prematurely

[ocean spindle]

i guess in sneakin the order does play a part, back of the head then back n stuff

[solemn sorrel]

this is the game you play when you get tired of other coop games. i played the payday 3 beta and was just bored out of my mind

after growing up with payday 2 since EA.

[halcyon mango]

very true

[solemn sorrel]

only game I like more than this is hunt showdown.

[halcyon mango]

one of the games where experience really changes the way you play

learning that you can just walk up and bonk stuff before waking them up was a revelation in the beginning

learning about weakpoint bonuses and staggering makes big strikers much more easy to handle instead of "let's all group up, hit the back and pray it works"

[tardy ingot]

the game having a lot of different playstyles it allows is quite nice

its not quite the "perma sneak" some people wanna paint it as (mostly used negatively)

[solemn sorrel]

being able to sneak well is less important than being able to react well in dynamic situations (like when you dont sneak well)

its good to learn how to go caveman mode in a room of angry sleepers, thats a level above just knowing to bonk a sleeping one in the head

[ocean spindle]

i think its just good to master it all, cause with one yeah u can save ammo if u wake stuff up, but in the other the game just forces you to sneak or it is very clear that if u dont, ur not gettin through the part with enough ammo or alive

it just asks for a lot at the same time, but its good, forces you to kinda learn everythin

[turbid vault]

Is something wrong with my game?
I click and hold initiate cage drop and nothing happens. It just resets. It does this on every lobby, i recreate a lobby and it still does it.
Anybody have any ideas?

[halcyon mango]

idk, last time I had that I just had someone else host

[dry pumice]

Sounds like a critical bug to me, try restarting the game.

[cold quarry]

have you tried reinstalling? never had this

[civic wave]

it's some funky connection thing iirc

so restart game, restart steam, maybe try reconnecting to your ethernet/wifi

[ashen frigate]

I agree with pachimaniac's analysis. Looks like something is preventing you (as a host) from starting the expedition when all players are ready.
Best thing that comes to mind would be to ask all players to restart Steam (and the game) and retry.

[turbid vault]

It was another guy. Who had a VPN on.

[next socket]

Can 2 seafoam grenades + 1 seafoam launcher burst freeze a p-mom?

[native sun]

I doubt it

P-mom requires 50 times as much C-foam to freeze than a striker

[ocean spindle]

needs 3 foam nades i think

[native sun]

I believe the only reason tripmines can freeze her at all is that when they are detonated they have an insta-freeze cone.

[native sun]

She requires 3 times more than tank, and tank doesn't get frozen in one

[past mesa]

I thought 3 nades could do it

[native sun]

It shouldn't be able to, 4 should do it though

[past mesa]

Sometimes tank can be c foamed in one?

[native sun]

It can??

[past mesa]

Maybe I am insane but I have seen it once or twice?

Maybe they be eating some random blob somewhere

[native sun]

Gosh darn it I have been nerd sniped again

Also read DMs jish, new pmom tech dropped

[ocean spindle]

then wiki is lyin cause it says it needs 3

so i think it is 3

but, idk who to trust

[mossy aurora]

it can

actually not sure anymore after they "fixed" client host foam desync stuff

but have seen tank get foamed with 1 nade when we were playign legacy a while back

[past mesa]

It is probably some werid doubling issue

Where the host and client both send or read c foaming

[native sun]

On host, 1 foam nade is not enough on tank (requires second nade or 11 more c-foam launcher shots), 3 is enough for pmom

Which makes no damn sense, because tank's tolerance is less than 1/3rd of p-mom's, so if 3 foam p-mom 1 should foam tank

P-mom requires 67 C-foam launcher blobs, while Tank requires 34, so it seems like Tank's actual tolerance is more like 1/2 of P-mom's

Dude, Tank is 1/2 of P-mom, I read Pablo's thing

[past mesa]

This is wild as fuck

[native sun]

Gonna be a good boy and put datamined stuff in gtfo spoiler chat, full thing in there

[past mesa]

I am so glad Pablo cfoam vaule was nerfed to be only 1/3 of p mom

Really good devs

It actually makes me more annoyed to know they changed it to some value that wouldn’t matter

[soft crater]

c-foam nade is 23 blobs iirc

which don't split into micro blobs like c-foam launchers

[native sun]

None of C-foam's mechanics are on the wiki

Woohoo

[sturdy glen]

maybe thats why everyone thinks cfoam wakes up enemies initially

actually I wonder if ppl wiki dive this game like they do others

my perspective is kinda skewed from terraria

[native sun]

Probably not as much as other games, since there's no crafting trees or anything like that, and the game obfuscates most of its mechanics

And the wiki (until recently, work in progress) didn't do much in terms of actually explaining the mechanics either

@sturdy dew I believe wiki admins may be able to see the wiki's stats, is that the case?

[sturdy glen]

wiki diving most games is just super normalized in my mind

but again that is fucked up by playing mainly with ppl with too many hours in terraria

so I agree with your poitn on game obfuscating mechanics

[past mesa]

Intermittent play got to you

[sturdy glen]

nah its defo terraria

you wiki dive EVERYTHING in that game

[past mesa]

You have to

It is fucked

[sturdy glen]

ive kept the habit ever since

I do not give a single fuck about ruining games for myself at this point

[past mesa]

I play them through first sometimes I get sad because I miss things

[native sun]

Having also wiki dived terraria as one of my first PC games ever, I have no idea if it is normal

[past mesa]

Like in breath of the wild I didn’t learn to shield serf until the end of the game

[sturdy glen]

trust me tru, wiki stuff is a crazy world in the modding community

also fuck fandom

👍

[sturdy glen]

yeah thats the main thing

I also like making full use of mechanics I might not have known about or might not have been well explained

[native sun]

The modded wiki is a solid effort, but holy is it hard to actually encapsulate all that knowledge

[sturdy glen]

like cfoam!

full circle

yeah its a LOT of stuff

its really cool when you spend a lot of time on a wiki and then migrate cuz the platform you initially did it on is shit

so then it gets vandalized in a somewhat believable way

and ppl get very confused cuz they dont know its the wrong wiki

its really fun

[native sun]

I do love it when games have like 3 wikis at once and its a lottery whether you find the good one

[past mesa]

Modding wiki isn’t amazing

[native sun]

But writing wikis is hard, have you ever tried to write a page that succinctly and truthfully conveys this game's stealth mechanics?

Short range aggro, long range aggro, hard alerts, sort alerts, special cases with scouts, alert ranges.

[past mesa]

Some of these values are so cursed

[sturdy glen]

yeah, this game especially is difficult

since a lot of things are just feel

[native sun]

It's like 15 special cases for everything

I don't even know fully how walking past an enemy aggros them

Is it a heat system, does it decay when you stop, or is it just a value that climbs and then resets after a timer, does it depend on distance, what about crouch walking

[past mesa]

It is two checks

One of the checks is the initial sounds

The sounds has some time of value

If in two seconds a second check passes we progress to the next level

[past mesa]

This is important because if we hear a sound value larger than the one they just heard they will immediately progress

this check also needs uninterrupted los

[opaque zephyr]

is their a best loadout?

i guess i'm more asking does each loadout slot have a definite #1 pick?

[sharp zinc]

No 👍

There are certain primary and secondary weapons that are universally "good", but adapting to the needs of the level is always important

I will say the hammer is generally considered "best-in-slot" and you can never go wrong with it, but the other options do provide niche value that's worth considering.

Also, one player should pretty much always be bringing a biotracker.

[minor fractal]

No, but some weapons are better than others, and some weapons fill situational needs better than others.

Mains are probably the most skewed since they are more general-purpose. HEL Revo is just best in slot, and HEL Shotgun is broken in scenarios that favor it.

[sturdy dew]

Depends on what stats you’re talking about

[native sun]

Usage stats, daily visitors, that kind of thing

[minor hedge]

what are the test achievements on steam lol

[native sun]

Exactly that, test achievements. The devs have neither confirmed not denied that they will in fact be adding achievements, but they have been testing out the feature

[minor hedge]

interesting

[verbal zinc]

Check the roadmap!!

[sturdy dew]

I’ll see if I can find those when I get on my pc

[past mesa]

The pizza

[hidden ridge]

larger or equal?

Because I'm not understanding what you say I think

Enemy is close to me, silent, I crouch, he glows, I stand up he pulsates

And I'm pretty sure crouching and standing up just make noise because you technically move a tiny bit

And how does flashlight works in that scenario?

Do all flashlights make the same "noise" value?

does it count exactly as a step while being in close proximity to them?

Is it true (I'm pretty sure it is but I never really bothered to make extensive tests since it'd require another player willing to test) that the more players are close to an enemy the more sensitive said enemy is?

[floral acorn]

proximity alone will be an initial "sensitizer", taking even the slightest crouch step closeby will immediately raise head..

but the flashlight thing is not noise based, light sens and noise sens are 2 diff beasts

[hidden ridge]

yeah but does said proximity stack?

does it matter if only I am close to an enemy compared to me and someone else?

[floral acorn]

not stack per se, but anyone taking the slightest step will raise their awareness, hard to move but one at a time etc

if u get very close to an enemy and stop completely, it doesn't matter for another guy 2-x steps away, but if that other one also comes to striking distance, then anything either of u do will immediately start scan

person a flashes all enemies 3 times to have them scan in sync, then person b walks amid a cluster of 3 sleepers, they all raise head immediately

[hidden ridge]

So let me see if I'm understanding this correctly: Scenario A: Woods is close to a giant, he's alone and crouched, he takes a single step. Scenario B: Woods and Dauda are close to a giant, both are crouched, only Woods takes a single step. Does the giant react the same in Scenario A and B?

[floral acorn]

yes, being "1 step away" from the giant, it doesnt matter who takes a crouch step, giant scans

[hidden ridge]

Also, does the giant glow more often in Scenario B, assuming both Dauda and Woods stand perfectly still?

[floral acorn]

nope, after arriving very close and stopping completely, the giant will resume normal sleep-scan-sleep cycle

[hidden ridge]

so that cycle isn't speeded up by there being more people?

[floral acorn]

for the light thing... we took a long range flashlight and "captured" a charger scout in r6dx so one of us could circle around him and kill the normal scouts in the room.. holding that light on him made him send feelers non-stop.. pull in - send out again .. even when we turned light off, he made like five immediate new feeler rounds (his light exposure value was maxed out i guess)

nope, have 4 ppl all sneak their way, one by one, next to a giant and all stop.. that giant will be 100% normal cycle

[hidden ridge]

Thanks

I guess then that someone always moves and I dont notice 😠

[floral acorn]

some have the irritating habit of taking tap-tap crouch steps to inch closer and closer

best just walk while charging, start with the giants, first one takes the head off and everyone else just hammer-time <bee bee dee be, bee bep, bee bep can't touch this>

once the smacking is done, next room, same thing 🙂

[hidden ridge]

Or I just load up vanilla bots, get close, wait for noone in range to glow, charge and occiput

Dauda, Hackett and Bishop aren't going to fuck that up 🤌

[floral acorn]

most often if only 2 giants in a room, we take a giant each human, synced occiput and 2-3 hel rev shots to the back, pew pew

if there's 12 giants then meh (r6c1 my beloved, soon)

[sturdy dew]

Looks like i can see stuff from the past 30 days. Stuff like number of total page visits and search terms

not sure if i can look at older than that

[silver fable]

not many people would bat an eyelid if you singled out hel revo as #1 main
though there are respectable alternatives for the slot, e.g. carbine, dmr, pdw, rifle
also the shotgun mains (hel, sawnoff) do something radically different with the slot that makes comparing them to the other mains pretty weird, with hel shotgun being the S pick of the two

there's a lot more diversity of role in specials

though hel gun and the mg's stand out for merging a lot of that role diversity into "gun that effectively grinds up hordes of smalls, bigs, and chargers alike"

you then have specials that place a lot of damage at range, especially on bosses, at the cost of uptime: choke shotty, sniper

which manage to stand apart from the hel gun/mg shadow mostly due to much better fight into bosses

finally, depending on the level and the loadout of my teammates, sometimes I can find pump shotty is the required glue to bring a team composition together

though that's mostly in low-man (i.e. duo) play

I think we've had balances in the past where we didn't have all-range waveclear monsters like hel gun or the mg's that also massacred bigs so well, so that pump shotty role of "high uptime, lots of damage, shit range" was a lot more appealing

[soft crater]

Seeing people struggle on D-E tiers

And I see they're running something like Bullpup/Choke

And they consistently get rushed

[civic wave]

r4e1 kinda tough though, I've been trying for months and still can't get it down

[soft crater]

It isn't that bad tbh

[civic wave]

If you think you can duo it, sure

[soft crater]

You should've said that first

[civic wave]

I mean I did get a duo clear but not with the person I wanted to

Hehe

[soft crater]

Lol

[civic wave]

I feel like everyone who knows me knows that running r4e1 duo is all I'm doing on the game for now

[soft crater]

Sorry I'm not familiar

I've been chatting about gtfo outside of the Gtfo server more lately

[tardy ingot]

no longer pachir1a1maniac

[civic wave]

r1a1 was always a side gig

[lusty bramble]

Have you tried r4d2 growth

It's a great level

Here's some other great levels to try --> r2b1, r2c1, r2c2, r2d1, r2d2, r2e1, r3a1, r3b1, r3b2, r3c1, r3d1, r4b2, r4d2, r5a2, r5b1, r5b3, r5c1, r5dx, r7b4, r7c1, r7c3, r7d2, r7e1

[tardy ingot]

Beep sneaking in r5dx and r7b4

[lusty bramble]

Good levels

Alt certainly streamlined most of r5dx so it doesn't drag on as much

[civic wave]

That's on the list

[lusty bramble]

You said you'd do it after r4e1 and you did r4e1

[opaque timber]

so how do i get past the first level?

[ocean spindle]

hello, what r u strugglin on? alarms? stealth?

[opaque timber]

struggling to get with your mom

[latent obsidian]

owned

this guy can't get with your mum

[ocean spindle]

damn i got got

[civic wave]

After I do it with my brother

[lusty bramble]

Can you do d2 first

Quick level

[civic wave]

no, we do e1 first

[lone mortar]

Me when we dont go level clearing in depth order

[civic wave]

got bored of doing d2

and just decided to grind e1 instead

[lone mortar]

Oh then sure

Have fun

[summer matrix]

Can someone very briefly explain what "C-Foam Portion" boosters do?

I just want to fully understand how those things work

[fierce walrus]

im pretty sure they increase the ampunt of blobs you get from each charge

[latent obsidian]

My understanding is that it refunds a proportion of the cfoam ammo that you use in each blast

So if you spray blob by blob you actually get no benefit from the booster

But if you do a full blast then it will discount the cost of spraying that depending on the booster you brought

You can see this when you are almost out of cfoam ammo. Say you have 7 blobs left and you try to spray it all you might still have 3 left after, you spray those 3 and you still have 1 left

As for what the percentage means, idk

[summer matrix]

Appreciate your efforts of explanation

[past star]

Guys how do I find the basis weight of an area given the length, width and coarseness of a Hardwood and Softwood fiber when I have the inspection area of .00001m^2 and I know the mass fractions of each should be 50/50

[stuck elm]

#gtfo-lore might have an answer.

[fierce walrus]

why do you send so many odd questions to gtfo lore

[past star]

I’ll ask

[dry pumice]

Tldr: if you bring Cfoam portion - just full charge it every time no matter what you do, don't think about it.

[sturdy glen]

No do the regular 80% you need to foam doors

[winged turtle]

very briefly explain
fully understand
rubs hands together

the blobs coming out of your gun cost less "ammo".

approximately: if you bring 50% c-foam portion, shooting 6 blobs will cost you 3 of your "X/50" C-foam reserve.

[craggy pier]

cfoam efficiency booster when

[winged turtle]

^^^

[summer matrix]

[opaque zephyr]

so if i'm 50/50 ammo wise, and normally shooting a full charge takes 20, would it then take only 17 for example instead with the booster applied?

[winged turtle]

a full charge only costs 12 from your c-foam launcher supply reserve.

if a booster increases c-foam portion 50%
a full charge of 12 blobs should only reduce your reserve from 50 to 44, instead of 50 to 38

[winged turtle]

^

[cold quarry]

~450 hours in this game and I have only now learned what c-foam portion does

[sturdy glen]

It do be false advertising

[winged turtle]

with the name it is very unintuitive. but its the same system as biotracker symbiosis on sentries

[cold quarry]

it should really be C-Foam efficiency

[winged turtle]

yes

[cold quarry]

i figured portion meant more blob per sploot

[ashen frigate]

That would be kind of insane

[dry pumice]

But it is what it says

[topaz anvil]

It basically is

[dry pumice]

When it says "foam portion" - you expect more foam per charge l

But what we get is Cfoam efficiency, basically.

Same foam for less ammo cost.

[topaz anvil]

They are two sides of the same coin

[dry pumice]

I don't see it that way

[ashen frigate]

"Efficiency" is the right word here

[dry pumice]

"you get an extra meat portion today, son"
"but it's the same sized steak?"
"it cost me less to cook it"

[hidden ridge]

Artek's analogies

[topaz anvil]

"there's a second steak now in the fridge for later"

[dry pumice]

Language do be important. Use your words right.

[topaz anvil]

I agree, which is why spelling is important

[winged turtle]

From my point of view the Jedi are evil!

[topaz anvil]

Were they ever really good

[winged turtle]

net good? interesting question.
better than literal evil? ye.

[ashen frigate]

Lawful-neutral, almost

[dry pumice]

Anakin was supposed to be the best of both worlds...

[latent obsidian]

do you know what the maths is? Its not too hard to get over 100% cfoam portion and it certainly doesn't make it free

[winged turtle]

i do not, and thats the part i am iffy on,
they can't stack off of base values like you said. i can test it a bit later

[real vapor]

How does 100% foam portion works

[hidden ridge]

Instead of using 12 (or 14 I cant remember) of foam ammo, full charge costs half I think?

let's see if I have enough foam portion to check

17+84=101 it'll have to do

for full charge I mean the white circle in the screen not the blue-yellow thing on the foam launcher itself

40 ammo-67% to 34 ammo-57%

[hidden ridge]

no in fact it makes it half

[latent obsidian]

I wonder if it could be linear and cap at 200% so to speak

[real vapor]

So in short I can use double the capacity

[latent obsidian]

Obv you can't get that much

[hidden ridge]

I mean if you want I can test with...

[latent obsidian]

But maybe 50% is 25% refund, 100% is 50% and so on

[real vapor]

Yeah

Double

[latent obsidian]

don't test it purely for my sake 😄

[hidden ridge]

84+49=133%

let's see

[latent obsidian]

Any other data point would give a clearer picture, doesn't have to be more particularly

[hidden ridge]

I'll test it purely for your whiskey/vodka

40 ammo - 67% to 35 ammo - 58%

so from 0 to 101% to 133% the cost went from original 12 to 6 to now 5

[hidden ridge]

I rarely use cfoam anyway

[latent obsidian]

If it rounded then you'd expect 133% to cost only 4

But if it only rounds down the 200% cap could still be the case

[winged turtle]

doesn't it always have to round up for 1 blob to always cost 1 reserve?

[hidden ridge]

for the record, tapping still costed 1 ammo (I tried only like 2-3 times for the fun of it, so maybe the rounding up fucks up later)

at 133%

I mean, nothing aside from what I think we all knew? cfoam portion is better if you dont tap

[latent obsidian]

With 23% a full blast saves you two blobs

[winged turtle]

that should cost 9.23 reserve, and rounds up to 10, ya that makes sense

[latent obsidian]

I'm not sure I follow the 9.23 reserve bit

[winged turtle]

was my math that bad? 12 blobs - 23% = 9.23 so the cost to your, ahhh magazine? personal tool reserve? rounds up to 10,
saving you two blobs

i am just agreeing with you with extra steps lol

[hidden ridge]

well

Not to nitpick

but

you wrote "a full charge only costs 12 from your c-foam launcher supply reserve.

if a booster increases c-foam portion 50%
a full charge of 12 blobs should only reduce your reserve from 50 to 44, instead of 50 to 38"

while 101% (assuming 100%) does what you described?

Or did I not understand?

[winged turtle]

is there a better word than "reserve" for the number in the top right? next to C-foam launcher

[latent obsidian]

Ah I see

[hidden ridge]

I just call it foam ammo and foam %

[latent obsidian]

Uhh I guess I'd just say blobs but then I suppose those imply its integer rather than decimal

[hidden ridge]

I'd not use blobs...

a blob is a blob of foam on an object

[latent obsidian]

I just wasn't quite sure how you got to the number but now I see its 12 * (1-0.23)

But that pattern can't continue because if you had 100% portion it would be 12 * (1-1)

[winged turtle]

i would bet money i am misusing the math and/are have a misunderstanding, we know 100% portion doesn't make c-foam launching free, so the math is not exactly as i described. but it paints the more correct picture compared to the mechanics the name "portion up" includes

you aren't nitpicking, we are in the weeds already, and i do have a gap in my understanding

[latent obsidian]

Its hard with only 3 data points but what seems very likely to me now is that the scaling isn't linear

[civic wave]

yeah I wouldn't expect the scaling to be linear

[latent obsidian]

With 23% you are refunded 17% of what you spend (roughly)
With 101% you are refunded 50% of what you spend (roughly)
With 133% you are refunded 58% of what you spend (roughly)

[civic wave]

I don't think infection resist is linear either

[latent obsidian]

So its diminishing returns

[civic wave]

and 99% infection resist makes you completely immune

[winged turtle]

you can use dis packs on people fog diving with 99%, so it doesn't finish roundingnup, but it is practically 100% unlike 98%

[cold quarry]

yeah it just gets so unbelievably miniscule you'd have to take a nap in a fog cloud to get infection

[winged turtle]

i am wondering what order they are applied in, is it Muted, Bold Aggressive? or bice versa?

[tardy ingot]

you get super slight infection iirc

[latent obsidian]

Its just the percentages added up right?

[ashen frigate]

Additive, as far as I know

[winged turtle]

god i wish i was raised with Burger math

[winged turtle]

oh ya of course, yup

[halcyon mango]

any other cool terminal shortcuts? I know there's res, -u, e_xxx. Anything else that's useful?

[lusty bramble]

if you're carrying the biotracker you can tell other people that you don't have to use the terminal

quick shortcut to avoid boring ahh terminal and get back to the real gameplay of sitting at a door and shooting enemies

i have no strats if you're competing for biotracker with the user who has (no mic) in their username

my iq isn't high enough for that

[winged turtle]

wait, what is -u
i know List u zone_123 finds resources and almost every special item in a zone

ping item_123 -t makes the ping continous as long as you stay on the terminal screen

[jagged shore]

The dash doesn't do anything yeah

At least nothing productive

[lusty bramble]

list u for list USEFUL

shows all USEFUL

@hardy grotto YOU SHOULD USE THIS COMMAND

[hardy grotto]

im never gonna use it to spite you and rick

[winged turtle]

the biggest one is hitting tab autocompletes unique terms.
so if a unique terminal command is Restart_Reuse_recycle_technological-spatula-2648593627495

you can just type resta and hit tab and it will fill in the rest

[ashen frigate]

But it is so fun to ask new players to type in the whole command during an Err:// alarm !!

(Then teach them the autocompletion)

R4B2 works great for that

[halcyon mango]

oh, never knew it worked for commands. Tried it on items and thought it just wasn't a feature

[ashen frigate]

"What do you mean the command did not work ? Let me have a look"
"Ah, I see, you typed a 0 instead of an O, just retry"

[sturdy glen]

it doesnt work if you dont type enough to autofill a unique item

otherwise it works for literally everything

[halcyon mango]

huh

I'm dumb

[sturdy glen]

I mean, its kinda hard to know how much overlap there is

I wouldnt feel bad about it

[halcyon mango]

wish it woulda autofill until the last common character and have you type out the rest

[ashen frigate]

It is very similar to a standard Unix shell regarding this

[halcyon mango]

or just let you tab navigate between the options

[ashen frigate]

Autocompletes until there can be a confusion between different options

Although a Unix shell will usually return all possible choices when you "tab-tab" at this point

[ocean spindle]

it kinda does
if u write re and tab, 'rea' for 'reactor' and 'read'
u write reac and then it autocompletes to 'reactor_' for 'reactor_verify' or 'startup'

[ashen frigate]

It will never autocomplete the last set of digits (or ID) of an item though

Like in ammopack_544

Or KEY_RED_705

You will still have to type the "544" or "705'

[past mesa]

Tbh I think that is okay

you need to know what you are looking for

I like people having to do the tiniest amount of mental labour

[sturdy glen]

can I hit tab up to 999 times to cycle through every possible ammopack

[past mesa]

Tbh I would be okay if they put more garbage info into our commands that we have to filter

[sturdy glen]

🥺

[polar flower]

Are the bots any good?

Or should i look for people

[halcyon mango]

better than nothing usually, but don't trust them to perform

[ocean spindle]

they r, serviceable, they can be used for some missions, but others require real humans for cooperation

they r ok for most of the missions, but they do make it a bit harder

since u gotta do the stealth and the plannin for alarms

[halcyon mango]

yeah, just try joining lfg lobbies

people are mostly chill and nice

[ocean spindle]

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[ocean spindle]

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel
and if you are new be sure to do the tutorial first [Training] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[past mesa]

Most people aren’t chill

[polar flower]

im on the first ass misson haha

[past mesa]

Chill is two of a kind

[ocean spindle]

i am a chile

[polar flower]

most people doing harders one

[ocean spindle]

u can post ur own lobby

[polar flower]

forsure will do

[dapper pewter]

I wanna do R1C2 ;-;

[dry pumice]

Understandable.

[dapper pewter]

but yeah most ar doing harder levels lmao

[dry pumice]

Posting lobbies is annoying, but it is how its done.

Posting cross-region improves the chance, just don't post too far away.

[dapper pewter]

yeah I know

it's kinda hard anyways haha

[dry pumice]

IMHO i probably could solo the thing with bots. I don't remember anything offensive about that level.

What's the objective? probably collecting something?

[dapper pewter]

I think, I'm just not good with the reinforced mobs lmao

[dry pumice]

The what

R1C2 has chargers? Since when?

[latent obsidian]

Its their intro level

[dry pumice]

A-ha

Oooooh that one

[halcyon mango]

10 partial decoders. class iv charger alarm

[dapper pewter]

xd

yeah

[dry pumice]

DMR + HEL Rifle.

[halcyon mango]

just need to prepare enough and it's not too bad

[dry pumice]

they die to 4 DMR shots or to 1 HEL Rifle shot and it penetrates

Or just... A lot of BRRRT.

Sniper sentry is great, provided you can find a good sight line for it (you probably wont)

[halcyon mango]

if they go the ladder way it's easy. if they come from the side door it becomes a little more tricky

but yeah, can just run 4 hel rifles and yeet them all to oblivion

[dapper pewter]

done ;* nice mates

[stuck elm]

The precursor to R4C3.

[cold quarry]

can shorten that to e_123

[blazing kiln]

Out of curiosity how come I can’t look at rundown 6 and 8?

[civic wave]

because they have not been released yet

[strange barn]

i have a Question. So the sentry turrets cant shoot at the invisible dudes right. If i mark the invisable men with a Bio Tracker can my friends Sentry shoot them?

[inner sorrel]

yep, but be aware that shadows are only marked for roughly 7 seconds by the biotracker.

Any biotracked enemies can be shot at by any turret, and turrets will still benefit from biotracker symbiosis

[mossy aurora]

Invisible men....

[strange barn]

Big Thank you

[inner sorrel]

no problem :3

[civic wave]

i'm the invisible man

[inner sorrel]

if you know there will be lots of shadows, maybe consider trying the c-foam/mine combo instead of running several turrets. you can even continuously foam a door to keep it from being broken if you have the resources.

[civic wave]

if you have a door, sure

in half the situations I can remember it's a toss up between having a door or not

[strange barn]

its the last holdout on Rundown 1 D1

we where like oh shit this was cool " Its to bad there aren't any guys attacking us tho." they we got our ass beat

like wiped in under 10 seconds ass beat

[verbal zinc]

Vampire Zombies*

[mossy aurora]

🏹 🧟

[lunar rain]

So do the sentries still get the bio tracker bonus on shadows or is the only benefit they get is being able to shoot them

[cold quarry]

they do

[lunar rain]

Oh that’s nice

[hidden ridge]

That's super-situation specific

[soft crater]

Just have a good bio pinger. (Next to knowing bio symbiosis only affects shotgun/sniper sentry. I've encountered several people who believe it to affect all sentries...)

[hard lily]

how can I make the UI text bigger?

[dry pumice]

Maybe mods. Not sure you can otherwise.

[past star]

Should be somewhere in settings. Like “UI scale”

Oh really? Is swear there was a setting

Maybe I’m going insane

[fierce walrus]

im pretty sure there is an option in the settings

[dry pumice]

Could be wrong. Haven't touched settings since reinstalling windows.

[hard lily]

under HUD says it's only for scaling the inventory, chat etc.

what I need is a bigger text font to read it

[fierce walrus]

well doesnt it also increase the font?

[hard lily]

no it doesn't

[fierce walrus]

or do you mean in the lobby?

[dry pumice]

Maybe he means on terminals?

[winged turtle]

ya every thing on your HUD can get scaled up a lot. my screen looks so cluttered because i turned almost everything to max

if you are talking about the Terminal text, we are SoL's. those are locked in

[lament urchin]

looking for 1 more in room 7

[summer matrix]

do HEL weapon’s bullets go through players

[hidden ridge]

I'm pretty sure they do

[hardy grotto]

Can confirm they do

[fierce walrus]

i had killed scouts by using hel rifle and shooting through people who tried to melee the scout

Truly a great feeling

[ashen frigate]

Woods "Alright, I prevented it from living"
Dauda "I'am down ! "

[past star]

Can confirm that Gerz can confirm

[craggy pier]

Can confirm that Brͥeaͣdͫ can confirm

[bold atlas]

Yooo are the HEL series being removed??

[ocean spindle]

w whu

[bold atlas]

?

[dry pumice]

No, so far everyone agrees that someone will get it instead.

[bold atlas]

oh so a new Hel Varient?

[dry pumice]

Most likely. So far the only suspect is the returning Scattergun, but maybe it could be someone else.

[ocean spindle]

hel prefix on some gun is what the leak said

[dry pumice]

There's a bunch of underpowered weapons that could be saved with HEL

[ocean spindle]

yeah like
um
autopistol :]

wait

[ashen frigate]

Like the famous HEL PDW

[turbid horizon]

Do not

[soft crater]

[bold atlas]

Someone said Hel Glowsticks

I want that

[bold atlas]

The cooler Hel Revolver

[steel prairie]

omg, a girl gamer in gtfo community 😩

[real vapor]

Bro I need that HEL Glowsticks

Must be fun to use it

Overpenetrating glow power that can show a sleepers micro pp

[vague bridge]

they already go through the guys

[past mesa]

Hel hel glowsticks

The go through guys better

[vague bridge]

hm

[olive robin]

What turret selection do you all recommend for r1c1? Are there any main or special weapons that stand out for this? (R1c1 is the first reactor mission.

[past mesa]

Burst

[olive robin]

All 4 or

[ocean spindle]

um usually one biotracker goes really well into the mix

[past mesa]

Yeah pretty much you only really need one shooting

[ocean spindle]

u can tag enemies and see where they r and hit shots from afar n stuff

[past mesa]

Hel gun and sniper also good

[cold quarry]

anything that isn't auto

[past mesa]

Just don’t stack sentries

[ocean spindle]

the other three sentries can be yeh all burst, i usually went for 2 bursts for the beginnin waves and one sniper sentry for most of the big ones

[olive robin]

Dude were you the guy who I had this discussion with months ago?

[ocean spindle]

i beg to differ
anythin that isnt auto and shotgun

[cold quarry]

Most likely

[cold quarry]

shotgun sentry my beloved

[olive robin]

Dude its the same issue

[ocean spindle]

no :3

well in here no skdmksm

[olive robin]

These people on my squad swear by the auto for nonsense reasons

[ocean spindle]

oh yeah

[olive robin]

So they're using 2 auto 2 burst

[tardy ingot]

why

[ocean spindle]

i remember u i think

[tardy ingot]

ask them WHY

[olive robin]

They have no reason

[tardy ingot]

no bio

[olive robin]

We all have equally little experience

[cold quarry]

auto sentry doesn't really do a good enough job of describing it's 'purpose'

[past mesa]

Well I mean are they stacking sentries to

Cause if they are if you just take less sentry you would clear

[olive robin]

Like using all them at once

[past mesa]

Yeah

[olive robin]

Yep

[ocean spindle]

it kinda does, says 'staggering effect' or somethin

[olive robin]

They use them all around the same time

[past mesa]

Just don’t do this

Just place

[cold quarry]

true but some people don't read descriptions

[olive robin]

What turret placement do you recommend then

[past mesa]

One maybe two burst after wave one

[neon gust]

i mean this game its stupid

[past mesa]

And shoot bigs

[neon gust]

with descriptions

HIGH DAMAGE

[cold quarry]

if it was named the suppression sentry or something

[past mesa]

Sentry shooting into hole

[neon gust]

tungsten effect my ass

[cold quarry]

yeah they're very...meaningless

[past mesa]

In bridge

[olive robin]

Can one of you give me a detailed explanation for why we shouldn't use auto and should use burst

So I can convince them

[neon gust]

you think that 10cc woulda change that by now but theyre stuck in 2013 making payday the heist

[past mesa]

Auto doesn’t kill things fast

[neon gust]

just put the number old man

[cold quarry]

auto does piddly damage and eats tool like a redditor eats children

[olive robin]

We are luckily doing that

They swear by it's stagger

They like the stagger on auto

[past mesa]

Nice so since auto doesn’t kill things fast it ends up stacking waves meaning more waves will come at you faster

[past mesa]

You are spending the same amount of resources

To stagger

[cold quarry]

yeah reactors are the worst place to have that stagger, you want to kill them dead

[ashen frigate]

I would chose the middle option and offer bars , with comparison between weapons (if possible)

[past mesa]

When you could be spending them to kill

[tardy ingot]

auto sentry doesnt kill anything, misses most of its bullets and looks fancy

burst kills efficiently and supports well with stagger aswell

[neon gust]

thats even more vague

[fierce walrus]

Tell them you need to kill all enemies in reactor waves or else they will continoue to spawn after the time runs out, so staggering is near useless

[neon gust]

just give the numbers man

[ashen frigate]

Average players don't get numbers

[neon gust]

its not like we have a big ass spreadsheet that people ask for them

[past mesa]

Old man next you are gonna tell us to fix sniper melee

[cold quarry]

without references for creature health, numbers don't mean as much to the avg player

[fierce walrus]

4 autosentries sound cool tho… i mean actual ingame sound. Its very calming

[neon gust]

lsniper melee was funny tho

[cold quarry]

at least dmg numbers

[tardy ingot]

do that on r6c1 when it comes out, its hilarious

[neon gust]

yeah but high damage text its vague

[olive robin]

I have asked in the GTFO discord what sentries to use and their response was mostly burst, no auto. The reasons given were
Auto doesn’t kill things fast
auto does piddly damage and eats tool like a redditor eats children
Nice so since auto doesn’t kill things fast it ends up stacking waves meaning more waves will come at you faster, You are spending the same amount of resources to stagger
yeah reactors are the worst place to have that stagger, you want to kill them dead
auto sentry doesnt kill anything, misses most of its bullets and looks fancy burst kills efficiently and supports well with stagger aswell
you need to kill all enemies in reactor waves or else they will continue to spawn after the time runs out, so staggering is near useless

Sending this

[neon gust]

so atleast when they ask for the spreadsheet

[past mesa]

Yeah but it is a lot easier to tell that 15 dmg and 30 dmg are both not high

[ashen frigate]

Thing is, damage per round is tough to evaluate

[neon gust]

they wil have a reference

[olive robin]

I'll let you know the response

[tardy ingot]

auto doesnt rly kill things at all*

[neon gust]

wtf was that

[ashen frigate]

When you compare a Pistol with a Bullpup

[fierce walrus]

holy fuck didnt expect an essay

[neon gust]

my boy drop the bible on ius

shiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

[past mesa]

The reason we don’t compared pistol and bullpup

[tardy ingot]

its just our messages mixed together

[past mesa]

Is they currently don’t have issues

[neon gust]

fr fr

[olive robin]

It'll probably take more

[cold quarry]

my favorite is when the descriptors just lie

[past mesa]

Based

It is so good

[tardy ingot]

also please dont forget to take a biotracker

[cold quarry]

buckland s870 is 'semi automatic' (it is not, it's a pump action)

[tardy ingot]

the descriptors are rough as hell

always unfortunate when new players i play with ask about it

[cold quarry]

also it says low ammo capacity but it holds 8 shells?

[ashen frigate]

Agree they are outdated and should probably be freshen out, especially if they intend to do more balance changes

[tardy ingot]

i think thats for total ammo

[neon gust]

I mean

[cold quarry]

i think thats their intention

but it should say low ammo reserve then

[neon gust]

your not wrong

[ashen frigate]

Definitely ; a review would be in order

[past mesa]

this is a hardcore game that try’s to keep the numbers hidden

[neon gust]

its a pump

[cold quarry]

agreed, it wouldn't be a hard thing to do either

[past mesa]

It is so off brand

Like holy

[neon gust]

but like in game datablock its a semi

lmao

😭

[ashen frigate]

I think they just never took the time to re-evaluate, even though they have tweeked quite a few of those numbers (not just 0 becoming 1)

It would probably be a nice time to do so, while waiting for R8

[past mesa]

Your right multiple zeros becoming ones

Much more difficult

[olive robin]

Symbiosis only works on sniper and shotgun sentry it seems though

[fierce walrus]

yes, but bio pings still benefit your team

its easier to shoot red triangles

and also they allow you to sorta guess what sorta enemy is coming

[olive robin]

And the suggestion was to not place all turrets at once

[tardy ingot]

even without that bio is still the tool you always want to have

[olive robin]

But to put one down at a time right

[tardy ingot]

unless you are doing solo/duo or speedruns youll always take bio

[fierce walrus]

until the later waves

i usually run 2 sentries before 4th wave

then the last one goes in at around 5th-6 wave

[tardy ingot]

start out with 1 or 2 max, plop them all down later

[olive robin]

They do not want bio tracker, cited that they have glow sticks

[past mesa]

Tbh

It is time you drop your friend group

It was fun but

Not worth anymore

[tardy ingot]

agree

[tardy ingot]

their take on auto sentry was ass, this one is straight up out of the dumpster

[fierce walrus]

Your friends are…

frogtarded

[olive robin]

I can't really disagree with that

[fierce walrus]

next they’ll say fog turbines are useless causa they have fog reppelers

[olive robin]

They're new to the game

Idk why they're so set in their plans

[fierce walrus]

you really should invite them to a very special hospital =)

[olive robin]

Anyway what weapon loadouts for the 4 of us

I managed to convince them of the bursts and not autos

[neon gust]

HAVE 1 SNIPER ALWAYS

[ocean spindle]

on this level

[neon gust]

BREATHING ROOM FROM GIANTS ITS GOOD

[fierce walrus]

autos are fine, PDW is decent if they get too close

[neon gust]

YOU OTHER 3 GOOFBALLS CAN SHOOT REGULAR DUDES

[tardy ingot]

take bio tracker yourself

[neon gust]

What level tho?

[tardy ingot]

r1c1

[fierce walrus]

but overall id say 2 machineguns, atleast one sniper and smth else

[neon gust]

hell na

[olive robin]

One guy wants to do that alr so that's good

[neon gust]

im out

[fierce walrus]

man yelled sniper without knowing the level

[neon gust]

even then

having 1 sniper

its always good

regardless of level

[tardy ingot]

most levels sniper is a nice addition

[neon gust]

the less preassure you get when the enemies get to you the easier it is to manage a wave

[scenic tangle]

What about mine on non reactor levels instead tho

[fierce walrus]

provided you can aim

[neon gust]

bruh

shot until it dies

[fierce walrus]

Yes i love mag dumping a giant with sniper

[neon gust]

i mean if you wanna go extremes

like that

[ocean spindle]

mines on normal levels can be really good, if u close a door with a wave behind it, and u mine the other side, u can take a lot on one go

[neon gust]

then it is what it is

[ocean spindle]

well either way long range level

so of course

4 double tap rifles

[olive robin]

What main weapons for r1c1

[ocean spindle]

im jokin

[olive robin]

Carbine right?

[ocean spindle]

but yeah well depends on ur special, the sniper person maybs a pdw or somethin to dispatch of the closest ones, the machinegun person a dmr, double tap, rifle, somethin with range to take ont he far smol ones

a carbines reaaaaally good

a hel revo if u know how to cancel reload

that category is more flexible

u can play around it a lot

just dont take somethin so shortish range, like a sawed off or a hel shottie, cause pilin up enemies close to u can end up a bit bad

not havin enough breathin space n such

[past mesa]

Mines on reactor levels ain’t even bad

Blood doors plus tight rooms

The rule or thumb is one of every tool

The better loadout imo is burst burst mine bio

[fierce walrus]

well depends on what reactor, for R1C1 they are quite terrible id say

[past mesa]

But the problem is

Having another sentry is useless most of the time

like honestly

[olive robin]

One guy really likes his hel shotgun, he's taking sniper what should he take instead of hel

[cold quarry]

you can do sniper and hel shotgun

[olive robin]

Why is a fourth sentry useless

[past mesa]

Most of the time you don’t have the top to fuel 3 sentries shooting

[past mesa]

no tool

to keep all 4 shooting

[olive robin]

Does it waste ammo or something

[past mesa]

4 sentry’s all shooting at one guy

Will waste ammo

and if you stagger the sentries

Then most of the time

The back ones will never shoot

So what is the point in having two sentries in the back that never shoot

Literally cosmetic

[ocean spindle]

i mean any gun that is nice to get rid of somethin close to u, a pdw, a pistol, an assault rifle, a machinepistol even... pretty much anythin u can use to get rid of somethin in ur face

[ocean spindle]

wouldnt hel shottie be a lil weird on r1c1?

[cold quarry]

probably

ehh not really actually

[past mesa]

Hel shoty is good on the hole in the wall

[cold quarry]

that hole in the wall is a great choke

[ocean spindle]

eh true but, would require u to be kinda too close

[past mesa]

but you should already be close for the line

cause you can get insane pens with hel gun as they spawn

Literally and insane hold

[ocean spindle]

idk, for me sounds very funky

[tardy ingot]

bam bam bam bam

[ocean spindle]

but i havent tried it

[past mesa]

You can full kill the wave no input from anyone else

[tardy ingot]

you gotta play aggro with it

not the best combo with sniper then tbf

[past mesa]

^^

[ashen frigate]

With Sniper anything midrange is usually nice

I love my Pistol

[past mesa]

Hel rev or pdw are my go tos

[ocean spindle]

bang bang :3

[past mesa]

Pdw quick swapping is very good

[ocean spindle]

i dont take sniper often but i would probs go pistol too or assault rifle

one of the two

[past mesa]

Pdw is just stronger than both idk guys

[ashen frigate]

AR is solid if you do not like the high rate of fire weapons

I personally hate uzi-style guns

[past mesa]

I understand

[ocean spindle]

i wont always take pdw in every level, for me is very borin

[past mesa]

Thermal is too good for any d teir and above

[ashen frigate]

It is :'(

[ocean spindle]

i took carbine... 10 times maybe, for r3a3 bot runs, and i got so sick of it

just 10 times

and it was enough for me

[past mesa]

yeah you can hit insane shots with sniper because you can see through most things

[ashen frigate]

Honestly, if the Thermal scopes would not zoom in as they do, I would be tempted to give them more attempts

On the PR it directly prompted me to switch weapons

[hidden ridge]

yeah this

but I dont think the game can handle stuff like changing zoom level scopes

[cold quarry]

picture-in-picture

[sturdy glen]

I don't get getting tired of a weapon and then swapping to one of identical type

[ashen frigate]

I love the idea, and it is insanely helpful as Jish said on higher tiers

[cold quarry]

i could see that dropping the FPS to 5

[hidden ridge]

Personally I use PDW and I think it's fine even without the thermal

[sturdy glen]

If you're not changing playstyle what's the point

[ashen frigate]

But I cannot stand the rate of fire or the Thermal scope zoom

[past mesa]

I understand

[hidden ridge]

Like Gnomus scopes in STALKER?

[cold quarry]

like how most triple a games do scopes

[past mesa]

But the hip fire is insane and quick swap makes pdw one of the best guns in the game

[cold quarry]

COD, ArmA, etc

[ashen frigate]

True, hipfire is very solid

[hidden ridge]

Why cant I emote-react whatever jish's comment?

[past mesa]

if pdw have smg stats or even hel op stats it would still be one of the best guns in the game

[past mesa]

You were part of the mass blocking

And idk how to unblock on phone

[ashen frigate]

It would probably be too much for a "primary" type weapon

[past mesa]

Mb

There we go I fixed it

[past mesa]

Thermal in this game was a mistake

[ashen frigate]

To me it was a "proposition" or an "attempt" at offering something else than just shooting with weapons

Giving them another use outside of active combat (or while in combat against specific enemy variants)

[hidden ridge]

I think thermal is fine

[ashen frigate]

They were the last additions to the game arsenal

[hidden ridge]

Although it kind of trivializes shadows a bit

[neon gust]

cqc_rifle been in development for so long

[hidden ridge]

and the PDW doesn't make you pay enough for that

[vague bridge]

thermal is useful for certain situations and is bad for others

[neon gust]

they add to add thermal to set them apart

[vague bridge]

which sounds like every other gun in gtfo

[past mesa]

The only thing thermal is bad for is shooter spam

But that criticism is invalid

Because hipfire is to good

[vague bridge]

fog

[past mesa]

Like thermal has no draw back on pdw

What are you saying

Thermal is still better in fog than nothing

But the fog thermal nerf was needed

Like holy shit it was disgusting

[tardy ingot]

it does still

[ashen frigate]

It was kind of op

[tardy ingot]

buts thats because hipfire doesnt rly matter once it becomes bad at range even when you should be scoping

[tardy ingot]

yup

[vague bridge]

another drawback could just be not outperforming other guns

[past mesa]

But it does

It outperforms most of the cast

In reload handling and dmg

Both burst and sustain

[olive robin]

Is clearing a room with walking ever worse than doing it crouching

[past mesa]

No skill issue

[ocean spindle]

not really, no

[vague bridge]

when theres a boss in the room

[ocean spindle]

i mean there some rooms where extra precautions are needed

but those come in way later

[olive robin]

Is crouching even louder

[ocean spindle]

no

[vague bridge]

yes to below

[olive robin]

I mean quieter

[ocean spindle]

walkins just faster

[past mesa]

It is

[ocean spindle]

tho u need praactice

[olive robin]

I've been trying to clear rooms standing cause it's so much easier to react to things

[past mesa]

Correct

you are probs hitting them in the wrong order

[olive robin]

I was doing it in solo missions

[past mesa]

/have bad movement

[olive robin]

My friends do it crouching still

They are skeptical of walking viability

[ocean spindle]

i was too that ones understandable

[vague bridge]

sometimes you can tap the sprint key to intentionally wake guys up

brings them to you

[ashen frigate]

Wrouching offers more control, and you can pick them one by one while never waking the whole room, provided you are careful.
Walking is so much faster, but requires good knowledge of the distance at which movement triggers mobs, as well as awareness of your surroundings, and quick reaction when it falls apart

Of course, running all the way just requires to git good with aiming and positioning yourself

[olive robin]

I use knife when I'm doing walking clear, is that logical or illogical

[dry pumice]

Hard sell

[olive robin]

Doesn't sprint hard wake up enemies in a radius around you though

[dry pumice]

On one hand it does allow you to kill them faster

[ashen frigate]

Yes, as soon as you run into the radius

[dry pumice]

On another you lose the stealth bonus if someone wakes up from your waking l

[ashen frigate]

They will also attack immediately, if able

[olive robin]

Don't head hits still one hit though

[ashen frigate]

While if you wake them by walking they will take a second or two before attacking

[dry pumice]

Yes

[vague bridge]

head hits will always kill

[dry pumice]

Which all the more baffles me why dagger has that

[vague bridge]

if you can learn to minimize charge as well you can save even more time

[dry pumice]

Doesn't make that much difference for a weapon that always full chargers and always goes for head.

Maybe against tanker enemies?... To make sure it doesn't just suck out right?

[olive robin]

What are the differences in walk and crouch? Is it only movement speed and loudness

[dry pumice]

Imagine if spear had the stealth bonus

[olive robin]

And how big is the loudness difference

[sturdy glen]

Knife users when I show them double kills

[vague bridge]

yeah the 2x sleeping bonus should just be integrated into the damage

[halcyon mango]

crouching practically doesn't cause sleepers to go from sleeping -> observing (when they glow)
walking does at a certain distance.

[dry pumice]

Thsts pretty much it. Well, and your profile of course, althouh it doesn't help much in practice.

[vague bridge]

another useful trick is to keep walking until they start throbbing so that if they wake up you can blame your teammate

[dry pumice]

But every so often an opportunity arises to dodge attacks by crouching behind metal sheets and other medium sized objects. Especially if enemy is below you.

[vague bridge]

@pine swift

[ashen frigate]

Famous "what did you do ?" moment. Just be the first one to ask

One of my favorite times was R6A1, where I ||picked the objective and triggered something|| (after having awaken quite a few rooms earlier in the run ; we were discovering the level)

My teamates instantly all asked me what I did AGAIN and hilarity ensued

[tardy ingot]

full sprint best viability

[dry pumice]

You walk when alone and crouch when with teammates. Something like that. Especially inexperienced teammates.

Once you learn the routine of the bonking job - crouching just becomes a hindrance.

[olive robin]

Friend is saying crouching is better than walking cause walking will make enemies glow at a larger distance

Is it even a noticeable difference in distance

[dry pumice]

The one time when crouching is universal is when you literally just don't want to engage.

Which is a rare situation in this game, somewhat disappointingly.

[olive robin]

But is the alert radius for walking that much bigger than crouch

[dry pumice]

I'm trying to remember...

[tardy ingot]

the radius for when they are fully asleep is a noticeable difference

roughly 2m vs 8m

when they are already glowing theres no difference (8m for both)

[dry pumice]

I don't feel the difference in my memory. If they already glow - they will feel you either way.

Crouching's one and only feature is not triggering glow state from sleep state. That's it.

You do it to get as close as possible or setup a sync kill.

Otherwise you just walk forward with charged melee and swing when aim reticle tightens.

[tardy ingot]

@olive robin practically, crouching is playing it rly safe. but walking while doing stealth kills is perfectly viable and opens up faster reaction time when something goes wrong

you also safe minutes upon minutes of gameplay per level

[dry pumice]

They don't stand a chance (unless you miss)

[tardy ingot]

if you dont perma crouch

honestly, quite often you can just pull rooms and shoot them up

[dry pumice]

Half of play time goes into stealth. And crouching slows it down even further. You do it when you have to, but you almost never do.

[ocean spindle]

they dont STAND :D AHHHH I GETCHU

[dry pumice]

I think introduction of giants usually is when crouching makes a comeback. While enemies are small - it just doesn't matter. 4 unhinged men with hammers are just too much for them to handle.

But once bigger enemies start appearing... And spawning in healthy numbers... Suddenly no one wants to take risks anymore.

[sturdy glen]

No we still do

[raw jackal]

Why is survival rate so low in general?

[craggy pier]

new players also blind runs

[raw jackal]

Games are supposed to be winnable?

[ocean spindle]

not only countin newies, but speedrunners or challnege runs n stuff

all of it combines

[craggy pier]

yes but not spoon fed

its a hardcore game

[ocean spindle]

the tutorial for example had a 40 somethin win rate, but speedrunners demolished the stat quite a bit

everythin goes into it

not just people tryin to win

[neon gust]

depends on how you approach the game

you expecting a payday or deeprock stuff pew pew haha funny

then not your game

gotta keep your head on at all times

you snooze you loose

the game will actively try to kill you

and the game will put you on a lot of scenarious that are uncomfortable in wich you gotta think fast

[raw jackal]

yeah but not giving a lot of ammo is not fair

[neon gust]

ammo its literally everywhere

the issue its that the game doesnt feed you information

[lone mortar]

wdym

[neon gust]

but it rewards you paying attention

[lone mortar]

ammo is literally more than meds/tools

in every level

[ocean spindle]

usually problems with ammo arise on super har levels, or when ur not sneakin through the rooms and u wake too many of em

[lone mortar]

in total

[jagged shore]

my question is are you actually trying to conserve ammo

[lone mortar]

why tho

[jagged shore]

or are you just lighting up every room you find

[neon gust]

so if you dont interact with most of the game ingame mechanics like terminals, pings and such then you will most likely fail

[jagged shore]

not you

[raw jackal]

I am not playing the game yet

[lone mortar]

i was about to say that

[raw jackal]

but questioning the server

[neon gust]

game is hard

not everyone cup of tea

[lone mortar]

how bout u get the game and find out

[neon gust]

no

[lone mortar]

its on sale

[raw jackal]

22nd

[jagged shore]

the ammo is not as scarce as you're led to believe
but if you just use it willy nilly then it will seem so

[lone mortar]

why

[ocean spindle]

is it on sale?

[tardy ingot]

most levels can be done purely shooting without stealth

[neon gust]

because thats not how you do it

[tardy ingot]

so ammo isnt as scarce as some people think

[neon gust]

if he wants a more casual experience

[raw jackal]

But not all levels can be stealthed?

[neon gust]

just send him over to payday 3

[raw jackal]

Ewwww

[lone mortar]

oh hell naw

whadda hell boi

[raw jackal]

do not insult me like that

[neon gust]

stealth depends oin the level you can simultaniously be stalthing and be on a action sequence at the same time

[neon gust]

payday its a good franchise

[lone mortar]

games pretty simple

[ocean spindle]

dia de pay en español

[lone mortar]

you think and see what u got

[neon gust]

dia de pago en

[lone mortar]

and if it checks out

[ocean spindle]

dia de pastel

[lone mortar]

u can go guns blastin

if not then sneaky beaky like

its that simple

really plays out to feel it

[neon gust]

they'are levels that focus on stealth, some on actions, some of both, stealth its completly dinamyc and dependant on the situation the levels puts you trough

[ocean spindle]

in general the game is the two, if u dont like one or the other, games prob not for you, cause it uses both quite a lot

[neon gust]

so even tho you have 1 or the other its all over the place\

probably the only game that can actually do this

out in the current gaming market

gtfo its unique on that

[ocean spindle]

very gtfo of gtfo

[lone mortar]

gtfo is very gtfo

its the way the game is that makes it so damn speacial

[neon gust]

but overall it depends on what type of game YOU are looking for. @raw jackal

[lone mortar]

hah

[ocean spindle]

this is not, a fast game in the slightest, is hard, cooperative, but very fun in all of its, combos

[neon gust]

Thats how you save people money