gtfo-related-questions

[lone mortar]

Not knowing where to go

[hidden ridge]

I've seen some newbies stream on twitch and it's always mostly them just taking aeons to clear a room

[lone mortar]

Not stealth kill

Usually

[hidden ridge]

That too but sometimes one of them gets the hang of QUERY and they still take way too long

[lone mortar]

Its R1A1 with the big room which makes newbies fear to go on offense

But R1B1 is kinda brighter

Still

It is what it is

[solemn flint]

me pulling the room with a bit of mine and cfoam=))

pulling technology remove the sleath from the game

[tardy ingot]

i dont rly expect beginners to zoom

but ill talk about how its very slow when a time is far above whats to be expected even when playing safely

so 2 hours for an unfinished b2 is a ton of time

[hidden ridge]

I only point it out because if they keep that pace for later maps they'll get nowhere

[tardy ingot]

but it shouldnt be too worrying anyway since beginners can and will improve

[solemn flint]

just show them how it should be done

[tardy ingot]

Wdym? 7 hour clears be pog

[solemn flint]

show them how much u can push the game

[latent obsidian]

If they're having fun just leave em to it

Don't pervert their young minds

[lone mortar]

I mean

Even when i was a newbie

3 years back

[tardy ingot]

tell them the level can be done in 1/20th of the time

[lone mortar]

I too still just have the berserker mind

[tardy ingot]

but yea, you gotta treasure that time when you play scared

[hidden ridge]

What I miss more is the survival horror feeling

[tardy ingot]

playing r2c1 as a challenge with no sound or bio put me back into the feeling of not knowing what the hell is happening. And thats with already massive accumulated experience

[hidden ridge]

Now I just ping shit and think "okay got the ammo in this zone let's move on"

[latent obsidian]

bonk bonk bonk bonk, ping res, alarm, rinse, repeat

[craggy pier]

By the gods

No

Stab stab stab stab, alarm, pin res, repeat

Alarms are dumb in this game i think

[latent obsidian]

have fun true soloing with a knife 😄

[hidden ridge]

Remove knife

[craggy pier]

No

[hidden ridge]

Actually, remove all but hammer

[craggy pier]

Knife good

No

We tried that

[latent obsidian]

knife is great fun, but then you get a big guy

[craggy pier]

And then you let someone else deal with him

Not my problem

[latent obsidian]

"solo enthusiast"?

[hidden ridge]

Yeah then you do like that guy in R7C2 Overload, stab a BBC thinking it's a normal charger, laugh histerically and quit

[craggy pier]

Shush

I am aware of the limitations of my knife

I do not bring it when big guys are involved

But it's just an upgrade for levels with tons of fodder

[tardy ingot]

once r6 gets back im gonna be happy to solo more again

R6C1 is such a fun solo

[latent obsidian]

I'm trying to get a time for some A tier solos

[tardy ingot]

The other solo im dreading is r6bx

[silver fable]

one of the things I missed when r7 hit was having enough fun solo levels

[latent obsidian]

Posted my R1A1, doing R2A1 some time soon

[tardy ingot]

i honestly struggled way too much on that as i refused to kite that shit

[craggy pier]

Both took me 1+ hours ecks dee

[tardy ingot]

[latent obsidian]

I actually think just replaying the R1A1 class 4 over and over made me a better player instantly

[tardy ingot]

having tied kenny on r1a1 just means i dont get to run it legally

it does

and then speedrunning as a 4 stack makes you a degenerate again

[latent obsidian]

dealing with hordes in a 4man afterwards just felt so chill and risk free

[craggy pier]

Yeah

[hidden ridge]

I just luckshitted an expls tripmine while having a foam launcher and dabbed the class 4

[craggy pier]

3 sentries can just clean stuff up

[tardy ingot]

3 sentries are rare tho

[craggy pier]

You can change that

[tardy ingot]

Nearly exclusive for reactor missions

and even then youd often take smth different with it

[craggy pier]

On reactor we took 4 sentries

[hidden ridge]

bad

[craggy pier]

And we didn't regret a thing

[latent obsidian]

I was watching a 4 burst sentry reactor hold on R1C1 yesterday

[craggy pier]

Until shadows

[latent obsidian]

It was like watching a train crash in slow motion

[tardy ingot]

4 sentrys are just unnecessary

[craggy pier]

Then we regretted everything

[tardy ingot]

3 sentry and a bio legit perform better

at any point

[craggy pier]

Why

[hidden ridge]

Especially if bot on bio

[craggy pier]

Why is bot bio better

[hidden ridge]

360 degree pings, way less cd

[craggy pier]

Cd

[latent obsidian]

cooldown

[hidden ridge]

cooldown, bio bot pings faster than human

[tardy ingot]

4 sentries might have a higher output

But you waste more tool (and most levels arent balanced around quadruple sentry tool usage) in exchange for 1/3 better ouput compared to 3 sentries

And thats 3 burst sentries. Taking a bio symbiosis one means bio immediatly gives a net buff

And you also have bio obviously, a free wall hack and information tracker

[craggy pier]

That's dumb

[tardy ingot]

Technically no cd

it pings when it can ping a new enemy pretty much

[craggy pier]

Is the autosentry any good

[tardy ingot]

na

its only purpose is stagger

[hidden ridge]

I'd say for surges but to be fair just don't take it

[tardy ingot]

it can be used decently well

[craggy pier]

Like burst is all rounder
Sniper one shots
Shotguns melts
What does auto do

[tardy ingot]

But its super niche

auto staggers enemys until it stops shooting

honestly

[hidden ridge]

Also place sentries so that they dont risk hitting the same target, and dont place sniper sentries together with any other

[tardy ingot]

auto sentrys biggest issues are shooting too much and missing a lot

if it didnt do that the combo of it and sniper sentry would be pretty good

[hidden ridge]

Imagine an auto sentry but it shoots just fast enough to abuse the stagger

[tardy ingot]

honestly i have said it a hundred times

remove shotgun sentry and auto sentry

[craggy pier]

That sounds nice

[tardy ingot]

and MERGE them

[craggy pier]

Remove bio symbiosis

[tardy ingot]

make it a low dmg shotgun sentry made for stagger

[craggy pier]

Shotgun will reign supreme

[tardy ingot]

That aswell, so sniper can get buffed again

[craggy pier]

As it should

[tardy ingot]

ehh

idk about that

anyhow, a stagger based shotgun sentry would work around both its and auto sentrys weaknesses

and if balanced right would be a great addition

[craggy pier]

Would be pretty cool

But wont it kinda suck if it can only stagger one thing at a time

Waves have way more than 1 enemy

[tardy ingot]

Shotgun sentry

wide spread

means it aoe staggers

[craggy pier]

Ah

[tardy ingot]

as it doesnt need to kill you can give it a very wide spread + stagger multi

[craggy pier]

Flathead rounds

Something something

Rubber bullets

Just torment the sleepers instead of killing them

[tardy ingot]

Tungsten rounds

[stuck elm]

I like the idea that we're shooting a valuable metal at them.

[latent obsidian]

Iridium bullets 🤯

[craggy pier]

Why would you use tungsten

Just use lead like a normal person

[stuck elm]

Cause it sounds cool.

[craggy pier]

Fair

[tropic vine]

penarating tungsten rounds

[craggy pier]

Steel

Ever heard of black tips

Wait or is it green tips

[tropic vine]

pebels

[latent obsidian]

Just looked up tungsten bullets, apparently it wouldn't work cos the bullet would be too hard and damage the gun barrel 🤓

But you could put a tungsten core in the bullet

[craggy pier]

You can coat the bullet

Yes

You can coat it in another metal

But you can also just use steel

Works great

Is cheaper

Warden can get you more bullets that way

[latent obsidian]

full metal jacket 😎

[fierce walrus]

sadly amazon shut down a while ago

[craggy pier]

Yeah right

[fierce walrus]

So warden cant buy stuff

sadly

[craggy pier]

Still there's probably more steel vs tungsten in the complex

[tropic vine]

oh cubix

[craggy pier]

You could like melt the steel beams

Or something

[tropic vine]

i have some good news and bad news

[fierce walrus]

a country got nuked?

[tropic vine]

better

or for worse

[fierce walrus]

i mean i would assume our equipment is from KSO storages/warehouses in the complex

[fierce walrus]

im listening

[tropic vine]

i have FINALLY found a level that might be impossable for me to beat with just the bots

[fierce walrus]

wow

what is it

and why

[tropic vine]

||r5c3 corupt uplinks ||

[fierce walrus]

yup

[tardy ingot]

run back and forth

:p

[fierce walrus]

but yeah you can just run

[tropic vine]

i have a things thing called skill issue

[fierce walrus]

also are they on main btw?

im pretty sure they are right?

[tropic vine]

||👍 ||

[fierce walrus]

how many levels even have them tbf?

like 2?

[tropic vine]

im pretty sure its 2

i died on the first

[icy cave]

R7C3, R5C3,R6D2

[fierce walrus]

oh right R6 has one too

[tropic vine]

:pain:

[icy cave]

👍

[fierce walrus]

missed potential for all to be C3

[tropic vine]

they might make it a 50/50 split if they put one in r8

[icy cave]

R6C3 had to be auto pilot: the level

[fierce walrus]

=)

[tropic vine]

best plan i could come up with for them is to just memorize all of the codes before running back

[tardy ingot]

i dont think they load the next code until you input the last one?

[fierce walrus]

yeah

[icy cave]

they don't, the log is only there AFTER input

[tardy ingot]

Well, theres logs but thats straight up cheatin there

[tropic vine]

yea, you'd still have to run back and forth :)

[fierce walrus]

you would have to: ||see the number on uplink termi, run to the other one, find out the code, memorize it/put it in chat and run back||

so possible

but would make it way longer

[tropic vine]

i've consisdered using them but to make it fair i should at least input the commands and have all of the text pop up before im allowed to run back (that way its not just a matter of memorizing)

[icy cave]

Oh at this point... cheating is now widely accepted by the community anyways it seems nowadays

[fierce walrus]

wait what

[fierce walrus]

i think im dumb cause i dont understand

[latent obsidian]

Just say you're doing the level Lawless% 🙃

[fierce walrus]

just use heroic heart and other QoL mods

🙃

[tardy ingot]

the logs (used for speedrunning) currently show uplink codes once you start the uplink_connect

[fierce walrus]

huh so basically - cheating

[tropic vine]

yea but like

[icy cave]

it's lawless% it's allowed

[tropic vine]

i dont think there would be any other way to do it (you could use boosters but thats cringe)

[icy cave]

and it's not cheating it's QoL

[fierce walrus]

well you could just hope bots protect you

have sentried/closed doors

[tropic vine]

like that will ever happen!

[fierce walrus]

i had them kill charger waves for a while with the help of sentries

(without my help)

[tropic vine]

you must be 1 lucky mf

[fierce walrus]

probably

since i just heard them getting banged

but somehow they lived for a good while

[tardy ingot]

Thats… what i said

Theres a reason its not allowed in normal speeds

[tropic vine]

i still think that if you input the codes commands and have all of the text show up, it should at least be okay. i mean if you just memorize 1 code and then run back the odds of it are 1 in 6

[fierce walrus]

what why

just see which code on uplink termi

Why bother taking chances

[tropic vine]

its better to take chances than wasting time during an alarm

[fierce walrus]

You will waste more time taking chances

[tropic vine]

thats where the logs come in!

[fierce walrus]

all you need to do is look at uplink termi then run

i feel like it should be doable regularly

[tardy ingot]

if you run back and forth just check the terminal lol

[fierce walrus]

yeah

[tropic vine]

come on, i wanna speed run the terminals :(

[icy cave]

Peeps have done it legit. This is not one of the impossible levels tbf

[tropic vine]

yea, i just checked and see that AzertWarrior has done it with bots

[icy cave]

He uses better bots thats basically cheating

[tropic vine]

nvm then 💀

[icy cave]

But it has been doen with vanilla bots too

Only R4E1, R6DX and R7E1 are impossible legit solo (with bots)

[tropic vine]

yea, but still i think that "memorizing" the codes before you up and input the code is at lest somewhat a semi decent idea

[fierce walrus]

i dont think i get what you mean

You realise codes change every round right?

[tropic vine]

yes :)

[fierce walrus]

then tf do you wanna memorize

[tropic vine]

the code for each round when they pop up

[fierce walrus]

like the „Z06” for instance?

then go to other termi and find which one it is?

[tropic vine]

no

step 1: start the uplink

step 2: run to the terminal that has all of the codes and memorize them

step 3: with the code run back to the uplink terminal and input the code

step 4: repeat until completion

[fierce walrus]

im guessing you check which code you need right?

and not memorize and try all 6

[tropic vine]

for the first one you could, but for the rest you would be wasting so much time

[fierce walrus]

What

like first time you would memorize all?

then check which one you need?

[tropic vine]

to save time you would memorize all of the codes Before even knowing which one you need

[fierce walrus]

that sounds like very easy to screw up

[tropic vine]

this is where the logs come in :)

[fierce walrus]

uh you could just check uplino termi, find code, go back and repeat

and it would defo be possible

[tropic vine]

yea but like, that wastes time and resources

[fierce walrus]

c h e a t e r

[tropic vine]

no u

[fierce walrus]

no u

[tropic vine]

lawless any%

worst comes to worst i could just find someone to play it with

but i do wish that there was something for those kind of objectives (i.e. on the same terminal theres a count down before you can veiw the logs that'll have the code)

[craggy pier]

do scouts intentionally stay near other sleepers or players

a scout is only patrolling a single section of a room even though before it was on the opposite side

also side note

do the corpses of sleepers alert other sleepers

or is it simply proximity to the hit

[tardy ingot]

theres long range aggro and proximity aggro

[craggy pier]

yeah i know about these

i mean can the flying corpse of the sleeper i just killed trigger a proximity aggro when it lands near another sleeper

[floral acorn]

no

[dry pumice]

Nope

It's just visuals, no mechanics

[floral acorn]

it can slide down a slope thru a cluster of 7 sleepers and a scout feeling, they don't mind one bit

[dry pumice]

They flop, they melt and that's that

[floral acorn]

u can bonk a giant that goes over the railing and right thru a tank sleeping below. they sleep deep 😄

[fierce walrus]

tbh i find it satysfying to watch corpses slide down the stairs

[floral acorn]

my ultimate best was bonking a striker, sending a piece of its head downstairs.. the gib bounced off the floor onto a wall, and made a blood smudge on the wall (not the floor tho) ..

that smudge was like "wow.. cool"

[tardy ingot]

i love when you have random ragdolls in this game

[modern bane]

qustion about r4a1s secondary objective

it says we need a bulkhead key to open the door for the secondary objective- though the only key we found was the one used for the primary

[fierce walrus]

then you cannot access it

you need to do secondary first

[civic wave]

Get bulkhead key, insert it Into the door control
2 scans pop up
Scan secondary to open it

[latent obsidian]

Often the level is made in a way to force you to do one path first. Inside of secondary there was another key that you would use for main later. But if you open the main door first you can't complete secondary from that point onwards

[modern bane]

so if we wanted to do both, shouldve done secondary first, got it

[modern bane]

will most secondary objectives/path function this way?

for future reference- if we ever want to complete all objectives, should we always do secondaries first?

[latent obsidian]

If you want to do the optional objectives always scan for them at the first opportunity you get

[minor fractal]

LIST BULKHEAD

[latent obsidian]

The game will never softlock you out of completing the main part of the mission*

[fierce walrus]

you can check on terminal where are the bulkhead keys

[minor fractal]

Query all keys and base off that.

[tardy ingot]

Ehhhh

[civic wave]

R4C3 sends its regards

[tardy ingot]

theres 2 ways to softlock main ellda

[tardy ingot]

Thats a bug happening

which also applies to r2e1

[civic wave]

I'm not talking about item spawns being broken

[tardy ingot]

r4b1 and r5a3 can be softlock without a bug

[civic wave]

I'm talking about doing overload at the first possible opportunity

[latent obsidian]

Can you explain? Because this is news to me

they just don't have keys or what

[tardy ingot]

? That doesnt soft lock you tho

[civic wave]

I'm not talking about getting softlpcked, I'm talking about the notion of doing the scan as soon as you're able to

[tardy ingot]

You can input cells and lock the main objective away from completion or access

oh

now what you said makes sense

[latent obsidian]

Yeah theres a caveat for missions with secondary AND overload that the order can be important (and the wrong order can be much much harder or gate you out of the other optional), and doing the first one you get to might not always be the best way... but you wouldn't really know without having played the mission before, and if in doubt check the terminals for bulkhead key locations like Ray suggested

[modern bane]

is it possible to unlock all cosmetics with the amount of levels there are? i know its something like every a1, b1, etc level, every 3 primary objectives, every 2 secondary etc.

something ive always wondered and tried to search for

[fierce walrus]

optionals dont give cosmetics

[tardy ingot]

Not unless you played from og r6 and did all the limited cosmetic events

[icy cave]

What is the soft lock in R2E1??

[minor fractal]

The cell bug

Although only seen it w/ Turbine I think.

[icy cave]

doesn't it just force you to open both bloods?

We had that 2 times, was not that big of a deal

[minor fractal]

The "also" I think is just referring to the bug.

Not soft locking.

[icy cave]

Oh yeah it's a bug but you aren't locked out

unless there is something else ofc

[soft crater]

Should mods literally get a QoL Tag.

[icy cave]

Only mod I accept is the one that lets you kick players out of your lobby for using mods

[soft crater]

seeing newbies with stacking/drop resource so frequently nowadays

I'm just like. Well shit.

[icy cave]

Well as apparently it's now widely accepted in the community .......

[tardy ingot]

A cell not spawning

[soft crater]

visible disgust

[icy cave]

Which one can not spawn?

so I check next time before commiting to a run

[soft crater]

Do I have to LFG and request "No Stack/No resource drop" or smth now.

Hhhh

[icy cave]

Probably and you'd be surprised to see even some established players not being able to join anymore

[latent obsidian]

It obviously affects gameplay

I'd be tempted to retire to lobby and ask someone to leave

Awkward if there are 2 other people not to blame

[soft crater]

Every other lobby I joined yesterday

Someone was running them

[latent obsidian]

Or I guess I'd just leave and they can carry on

[icy cave]

Awkward does not matter, the whole run is void by them using shit like that

[icy cave]

Probably easier

[soft crater]

One random told me he asked Calle and he said they were QoL

But still clearly affect gameplay

[icy cave]

Well there ya go ..... widely accepted apparently

[soft crater]

But idk how much Calle is into the Modded scene

[hidden ridge]

Only time I leave is if someone is 100% cheating or door bugging

[icy cave]

The whole community is going to shit

[soft crater]

As if the rundowns getting easier wasn't bad enough

[icy cave]

I just know the pool of players for me is now tiny

And that's fine

But I won't sell my soul

[soft crater]

I just dislike how much of a gray area those mods exist in

[dry pumice]

Which mod are we talking about again

[soft crater]

Stacking/resource drop

[dry pumice]

Ah

[icy cave]

It's not gray, it's cheating plain and simple

[soft crater]

I've also been seeing an increasing number of colored bio users

[hidden ridge]

Well

[latent obsidian]

what does that mean? Different flavours of doritos?

[icy cave]

Stop lying to yourself m8

[minor fractal]

Now with cool ranch.

[icy cave]

Nice

[soft crater]

You can see pulsing states on bio as orange

[hidden ridge]

I find it exhagerated to put it in the same group as people running around flying the map with endless tool refills

[latent obsidian]

ugh

[hidden ridge]

I dont even use that mod

[icy cave]

There is a whole spectrum of cheats

In every game

[hidden ridge]

A spectrum makes sense when the two things aren't incredibly far apart from each other

[icy cave]

You can go God mode, or give yourself other (smaller) unfair advantages

[latent obsidian]

This is a tangent, but would you raise an objection if someone on your team was gonna bring a fat supply efficiency booster?

[hidden ridge]

And it ain't the same as being able to drop a pack

[soft crater]

The way they made it ambiguous for what's QoL and etc fucking sucks

[minor fractal]

Yes, actually.

[icy cave]

In pubs no, from my team yes

[minor fractal]

Although a bit context dependent.

[dry pumice]

Resources dropping is fairly inconsequential imho. Now stacking...

[hidden ridge]

No because the game allows them to

And it allows them by design

Unlike glitched spots or whatever

[minor fractal]

I don't completely hate perfect boosters, but I have encountered people that mega-abuse them.

[icy cave]

Dropping impacts the game as well. I will not accept it

[tardy ingot]

blood door ones

[soft crater]

Dropping all the supplies into 1 locker for like reactors and shit.

[dry pumice]

That is a fringe case

[icy cave]

But then you can open the other right?

Or wait

was it 2 fogs and 1 cell

Oh well

[tardy ingot]

2 fogs 1 cell

its appearantly super super rare tho

[hidden ridge]

More than fair but to be honest I find it a bit bizarre, just dont play with randos and you won't run into people using boosters you dont like or mods you dont want to use

[tardy ingot]

btw

I kinda doubt calle said that game changing mods are qol

[icy cave]

Well as you can see I RARELY lfg nowadays

[hidden ridge]

I swear if someone tries to give me flak for bringing a legit supply efficiency booster I'm going to go through all the slurs possible

[tardy ingot]

Randoms told me id get banned for just sitting in voicechannels planning speeds, because they were talking to calle

[tardy ingot]

Oof, cheater alarm

[icy cave]

with the hands ofc 🤌

[hidden ridge]

Because the shit is really getting to bizzarro world where at some point people will get shunned for bringing meta shit

[soft crater]

I'm tempted to tag Calle just to ask em. Because it's clearly affecting gameplay for many players

[latent obsidian]

I wouldn't give someone flak for bringing boosters but I can see why someone would be annoyed by it

[hidden ridge]

I had someone make snarky remark because I dared bringing a main dmg % muted once

For the fucking fuck's sake

[minor fractal]

Boosters annoy me more when they're taken by bad players tbh.

The motivation + how they're used is just very different.

[soft crater]

Yes.

[icy cave]

Again in pubs I could care less

[hidden ridge]

Fine

[icy cave]

Mods tho, will not accept in pubs either

[hidden ridge]

To be fair I think most of you, especially Ray, tend to play with their own friends anyway

[icy cave]

Unless it's something like Orange glowsticks

[soft crater]

It bugs me when someone takes efficiency but bad players still take the tools/ammo even though we've been telling them this person has efficiency

[icy cave]

then have at it

[hidden ridge]

And I get it, but in the case Ellda was speaking about, it implied him leaving a game running because of it

Would have that been an overrreaction? IMHO yes?

[latent obsidian]

I was expecting the major annoyance to be making everyone playing the swaps game and min maxing it all to hell

[icy cave]

Definitely

[hidden ridge]

To be also fair that's 100% up to him

[minor fractal]

Like, I have been in an R5E1 group where the boosters were clearly being taken to compensate for extremely bad ammo economy, which remained a problem btw.

[icy cave]

without a shadow of a doubt and if it means they wipe I will be glad for it as well

[soft crater]

I've ran across some who run drop. But still refuse it because they wanted the ammo

[minor fractal]

Tbf I will do that, because supply efficiency is a dogshit implementation that I hate playing around.

If it's a vet I will usually care less because i don't have to ask them to pick up an ammo 5 times.

[soft crater]

In some circumstances I can agree

[icy cave]

I also sabotaged actively an R2C1 run cause one player was door bugging every door

[hidden ridge]

I do that on maps where it legit doesn't matter or where you need to "move"

[soft crater]

[latent obsidian]

You're saying its an overreaction or that you would leave?

[hidden ridge]

That's nice

[icy cave]

Would leave

[latent obsidian]

Honestly I think leaving a game where someone is resource stacking/dropping is completely fine

[icy cave]

Broke every single door on the map before him

[latent obsidian]

They can find a new player

I'm not gonna be a total dick and do it in the middle of an alarm

They can carry on with someone who doesn't care

[minor fractal]

And my verdict is absolutely that the group was clearly not ready for R5E1, and was ensuring that they would never learn the necessary skill-sets by playing boosters in literally every possible level.

[hidden ridge]

I'll tell you what, Ellda

The thing is that it works both ways, especially for a level you already completed

If the team is really willing to do something I really dont want to

They can do it without me around

[icy cave]

Exactly

[hidden ridge]

I draw the line at door bugging or 100% hacking or shit like that

[latent obsidian]

I mean I care more when its a level that I haven't completed

[icy cave]

My line is just way earlier

[latent obsidian]

I would loathe to get my first clear with some cheesy mods

[icy cave]

I want to play the game, not have the game play itself for me

[latent obsidian]

To that end I only go for first clears with people I know well, and mostly my OG team

[icy cave]

Pretty much

[minor fractal]

I don't know if I'd ask for supply efficiency not to be used in something like R4E1, I just have 0 respect for it.

I think you're an idiot if you take it on that level, and I will probably just pick up the ammos if I see them.

[latent obsidian]

Why an idiot on that level in particular?

I mean its useful right

[icy cave]

Honestly I think people should be able to clear without boosters

[hidden ridge]

After Extreme, tons of res

[minor fractal]

No, it's really not.

[dry pumice]

Very much

[icy cave]

But if it's a pub

then whatevs

[dry pumice]

Makes reactor a cakewalk almost

[icy cave]

Bruh you got so many resources

[minor fractal]

It's completely worthless if the team isn't dog, and if the team is dog we are going to run into other problems much earlier unrelated to ammo issues.

Nobody is running out of ammo if it's a 3-man hold and we beat the reactor in under 20 minutes.

[latent obsidian]

I know after reactor you are packed to the gills but it reduces the need to find ammo in the error section, and gives the people holding reactor an easier time managing resources and taking a time away from defending

[modern bane]

i dont like using boosters cause they feel like crutches but i do use them cause it feels like a waste when the slots are full and im denied getting one

[minor fractal]

What is more likely to happen is the front team is really bad and they're dying repeatedly.

[modern bane]

so i always use whatever booster is at the top of the list without reading it

[icy cave]

delete em. it's what I do

[dry pumice]

You can just delete all of them

[fierce walrus]

just discard them if you want

[dry pumice]

Or at least weak ones

[hidden ridge]

This chat aside, I only had snarky remarks for bringing boosters ONCE since they got released

[dry pumice]

I just delete any regen speed

[modern bane]

thatd feel like more of a waste to me lmao

[hidden ridge]

If you want to take them do so

[dry pumice]

I also delete anything under 7%

[icy cave]

Dunno we did R4E1 without any boosters and we had ammo for DAYS

pulled everything everywhere

[latent obsidian]

I'm not suggesting you will run out, but it makes management and looting easier

[hidden ridge]

Does it?

[icy cave]

So a crutch

[latent obsidian]

Yes, like on any level

[hidden ridge]

Once you get capped after reactor and you've a pack on you that's the same regardless

[dry pumice]

More like QoL

[hidden ridge]

Noone (probably?) is going to go back to reactor to loot the rest

[latent obsidian]

Well when I was running it my team found it pretty vital to find ammo in each of the first few zones we were passing through so we could fight the alarms

[icy cave]

And why personally I never use em

[icy cave]

Oh you 😏

[latent obsidian]

With a big ammo booster you could bypass finding that ammo, hit alarms earlier, maybe skip a tank

[dry pumice]

Actuslly...

Thats the fat alarm start one, right?

[icy cave]

Honestly we did it, when done we just grabbed remaining ammo from defence. and it was more than enough

[dry pumice]

It makes first 15 minutes easier because your team is less likely to get fucked by bad ammopack spawn

[hidden ridge]

🤷‍♂️ Only times my attempts pre-generators failed, they wouldn't get fixed by more ammo 😄

[latent obsidian]

And I wasn't on the front team for the hold on extreme, but it always seemed diciest when one of the people holding had to go fetch resources and the other guy was solo holding the end of the wave

[dry pumice]

People just ignore sidezones

[icy cave]

Without booster you can skip the ammo in first zone and skip the tank by doing that

Skip first zone, grab in 2nd and 3rd zone

[tardy ingot]

Its just the point ray made earlier

[latent obsidian]

Fair enough, that sounds like a good strat. I'm not trying to argue by any means that you should take supply boosters on R4E1 but I would refute that they aren't useful. Are they more useful on other levels? Sure. But on such a hard level any small boon should make a good difference

[tardy ingot]

is the team good enough already? Boosters dont matter

Is the team awful anyway? Boosters dont matter

[icy cave]

basically

[hidden ridge]

Sure but I wouldn't leave if someone dared bringing a legit booster

[tardy ingot]

the only time where they can give you a clear is if you are ver y close to getting one anyway and the boosters is what pushes you over

[hidden ridge]

Nor would I berate them

[icy cave]

Boosters are there just so average teams can JUST edge put

in some cases

[dry pumice]

And that's fine.

[tardy ingot]

I wouldnt either, just dont force me to play around it when im vibin

Well id actually kick someone but only in speedruns

[icy cave]

Again in pubs, it's whatevs

[hidden ridge]

? you speedrun with randos?

[latent obsidian]

I'm bringing 5% main damage up over 20m on Eva's speedrun to invalidate it

[hidden ridge]

Like, all of those talks ONLY work if you play with 3 randos

[icy cave]

Bruh now some solo players try to say that door bugging is a legit clear

Like some folks really like to live in make believe land

[latent obsidian]

I feel like solo gets a bit murky on whats legit and not, like obv door bugging isn't but you do have to resort to some shit for hard levels right

[tardy ingot]

Its kinda how i started 4man speeds

[icy cave]

Specifically talking bout door cheesing here

[craggy pier]

if i dont have the level unlocked can i join other peoples lobbies that have them unlocked?

[latent obsidian]

Yes

[icy cave]

yes

[craggy pier]

oooh ok thank you

[hidden ridge]

Started sure

[icy cave]

Just don't join an E lobby. you aren't ready

[tardy ingot]

eh 1 rando is enough no?

[craggy pier]

thanks for the heads up

[hidden ridge]

If I'm entering a group of 3 guys I'm the rando and if they dont want me to use X I either leave (not that I have a choice) or adapt, because I respect their decision

Vox Populi, Vox Dei?

[latent obsidian]

I tried joining a LFG speedrun once and it was just stressful

[tardy ingot]

With who?

[latent obsidian]

👀

[dry pumice]

Eh...

Game allows it? Game allows it.

Same argument for any and all exploits and bugs.

It is honorable though? No, not really.

[tardy ingot]

artek is that an actual opinion or sarcastic?

cuz the reason its in is not because the devs want it in lol

[dry pumice]

Yes, that is my stance too.
Is that how the game meant to be played? No and I don't approve of it.
Does the game allows it? Yes.
So some people can use it as grounding for "if it works then it works".

They didn't install 3rd party software, they didn't even tinker with any config files - just... Interacted with a door in a rather peculiar way that produces a rather peculiar outcome.

Same as that one bug in some Mario galaxy or another that allows you to trigger ending cutscene and credit roll within first 5 minutes of the game.

[icy cave]

I'll try to forget you ever said it

[tardy ingot]

@dry pumice
Playing like that, yea sure
Clearing like that, if you feel like you otherwise arent good enough. I guess?
Stating that you cleared it, hell no
Flexing with it, frick off

Thats my basis on things like that (obviously depends on severity)

[dry pumice]

Completely agree

[latent obsidian]

Also with the caveat that this is in a private group

[icy cave]

solo play is kinda private

[craggy pier]

i assume this it about door bug

[latent obsidian]

Oh I missed that this was still connected to that thread of discussion 😁

[craggy pier]

imma give credit, door bug makes r7e1 with bots lot less tarded

[devout fiber]

are boosters bugged?

i activate them and midway through the mission they disappear and so do their effects

[dry pumice]

Never heard of something like that

As in you just play, no restarts no checkpoints and they just go woosh?

Then that's not normal. Either some new bug or foul play.

At the very least I never had that happen to me.

[latent obsidian]

Its Dj running his booster_wipe mod

[icy cave]

yep

[soft crater]

Do they have requirements to activate?

Like have above 50% hp/be 20m away/within 7m/Teammates nearby(Homie power)

Their effects only work if the conditions are met

The negatives affect you no matter what

[devout fiber]

no even normal ones

the less rare ones dont remember the name

[soft crater]

Muted

[devout fiber]

do they like disappear if u ged downed?

[soft crater]

They shouldn't. No

[tardy ingot]

did you leave the lobby and rejoin?

[devout fiber]

i had one that gave me more ammo max

[soft crater]

[ocean spindle]

more ammo boosters dont do that

[devout fiber]

midway through it just disappeared

[ocean spindle]

they just give u ammo at the start

[soft crater]

Ammo boosters only increase the amount you start with

Not your max

[devout fiber]

oh yikes

[vivid kayak]

Unfortunate lol

[devout fiber]

so its normal when i go and check my boosters for them to not be there?

[craggy pier]

is every enemy going to come after the players during an extraction alarm

[soft crater]

The lfg randomizer person

[vivid kayak]

Its me

Dr randomizer

[ocean spindle]

i mean it still should appear i think

[ocean spindle]

no, it spawns enemies too, extract alarm

like normal alarms

[soft crater]

Shouldn't disappear no. Unless you've left and come back

[craggy pier]

yes, what i mean is if every sleeping enemy that is spawned and i didn't clear will come after the team

because i want to open a zone with some big lads

[soft crater]

Slendi literally said no

[craggy pier]

yeah but the "too" confused me

[ocean spindle]

yeah i said no, the alarm spawns new enemies, doesnt attract any unless the spawned ones wake em up or somethin

[craggy pier]

okay soz

thanks

[soft crater]

Even if extraction waves spawn in rooms with sleepers. They Shouldn't wake up unless you're actually within proximity/room as those sleepers

(Unless you shoot of course.)

[craggy pier]

excellent

so i can loot that zone

it has so many resources it's crazy

[ocean spindle]

yeah u can and then just go away

[craggy pier]

woohoo

6 use med packs and tool refills here i come

[latent obsidian]

Are you on R1B2?

[craggy pier]

yeah

how come the revolver flashlight is so off center

[dry pumice]

Because devs said so

[craggy pier]

is it a bug or like

this gun is too strong so we're gonna inconvenience you instead of nerfing it

type of deal

[latent obsidian]

Its probably just a minor "bug"

or as we call it in the industry, an unplanned feature

[craggy pier]

i think im beginning to get the hang of this

at least when the enemies are coming from one direction

3 alarms in, 17% damage taken

[latent obsidian]

nice one

[floral acorn]

reminds me of an absolute chad who soloed 3 separate main objectives of og r5... hitless.

[craggy pier]

O_o

christ

[floral acorn]

wesley salud o7

[craggy pier]

that's unhealthy

well i mean

it's healthy for their character but not irl i mean

[floral acorn]

all of it is unbelievable, but this r5b1 run... sheesh.. https://youtu.be/IH_HarNAb2Y

[craggy pier]

gonna watch that in a bit

[dry pumice]

Some people just built different

[floral acorn]

i personally chuckle on the chapter "stealth is optional"

[craggy pier]

gonna go buy some chips and a soda for that

[floral acorn]

times before stamina etc but take heed, some valuable lessons there

[craggy pier]

yea

[latent obsidian]

damn this makes shooters 10 times scarier going for hitless

[floral acorn]

one nearly clipped him midway, 0.01s reflexes <ninjaaa>

[latent obsidian]

also damn the hel gun pairs very well with the pistol for strikers

[floral acorn]

agreed, lesson #671 or so, using both seamlessly

[craggy pier]

why do i keep hearing vent sounds

it's creeping me out

[latent obsidian]

I always like the "small rock falling down a cliff" noise

if you know you know

[craggy pier]

i know

not that rare

wait does that noise have lore implications

[latent obsidian]

I just don't trust my description of it

[floral acorn]

thats the crouch slide thing i guess, used for speed boost, we used to do that... its gone..

r5 og ambience was harrowing, still is at times i guess

[keen seal]

why don't the scouts crouch anymore?

[ocean spindle]

they do but in another order, retractin their feelers i think

[craggy pier]

scout in the last room again

god help me

[vague bridge]

i wonder what'd happen if you yoinked one of the tendrils

[craggy pier]

nothing probably

i mean besides the scream

[ocean spindle]

tbh i would think scouts have very strong legs for some reason

[craggy pier]

why are you uncertain

[ocean spindle]

like u pull it, and it just flinches but doesnt fall

[vague bridge]

do the feelers need to retract for the scout to know you're there

[ocean spindle]

cause i am stupid and can get things wrong

[craggy pier]

no

of course not

they just use them to feel around

[craggy pier]

so you're wrong about bat ok we go home lads

[vague bridge]

then why do they retract before screaming

[ocean spindle]

to start attackin

they know ur there

so they prepare?

[vague bridge]

then why not scream then retract

[ocean spindle]

maybs by retractin they scream better

use ur imagination

[vague bridge]

scream better

[keen seal]

video game

[lone mortar]

tuho

come play

[keen seal]

wher

[lone mortar]

15

[craggy pier]

because it's probably very difficult for them to keep everything upright for long periods of time

it's not easy to hold all those feelers out like that

[latent obsidian]

tell me about it

[craggy pier]

yeah

think of it like doing a plank every time they use the feelers

if there was no muscle activation they would flop down like spaghetti

[latent obsidian]

You could maybe argue they need to pull the tentacles back in to relay the information to their brain

[craggy pier]

i really dont think so

they become invincible before they've finished retraction

[fierce walrus]

do they?

i think they retract first

[craggy pier]

it's as the retract

[fierce walrus]

you get a couplr seconds before they go invincible

[civic wave]

I was thinking that the invuln and retraction trigger at the same time

[craggy pier]

it does

[fierce walrus]

i mean invincibility triggers like 2-3 seconds after you touch the feelers

so a bit after retraction begins

[floral acorn]

sometimes able to shoot scout after snap and full retract but blue light == too late man

[latent obsidian]

the snap is really on the cusp

If the scout dies and I heard that I know I got a bit lucky

[craggy pier]

no

you touch, it takes 1 second for it to realize you've touched

then it retracts and becomes invulnerable at the same time

[fierce walrus]

im pretty sure its longer than 1 sec and it starts retracting the monent you touch it

But i might be wrong

[latent obsidian]

I think Elbow is actually closer on this, but its probably a little over a second, but not quite 2

But they turn red first, then retract a bit after

probably at the same time as invuln

[craggy pier]

ye

[fierce walrus]

i always thought tentacles start to retract at the same time as they turn red

[craggy pier]

nah red is an indication you've touched them

not sure why

its a thing

[fierce walrus]

uhm so you know you touched them?

otherwise the scout would just pull them back without any warning

[craggy pier]

well yeah but given how dedicated the devs are to explaining everything with in-universe lore + that this is a hardcore game it seems out of place

there's no in universe reason for them to turn red and it's something to make the game easier

[fierce walrus]

i mean sleepers glow too

[craggy pier]

that's the parasite in their chests

[fierce walrus]

so it could just be the tentacles have touch sensitive receptors so sensitive they make the skin turn red when touched

[craggy pier]

i guess

it feels a bit gamey

[fierce walrus]

i dont think its ever confirmed where the parasite resides?

[craggy pier]

i think we can safely assume upper chest

[fierce walrus]

i mean it makes scouts more fair i feel like, giving you a clear warning of why it alerted

[craggy pier]

the legs are fine and there's a lot of disgusting shit in their chest whenever you smash it open

[fierce walrus]

i mean i suppose so, but also they can live with giant holes in their body

implying there might be multiple parasites in one body

so if one gets destroyed the sleeper can still function

[craggy pier]

can a zone straight up not have a terminal

i can't find one

[vague bridge]

we've killed a couple scouts while they're retracting before

sometimes you can hear the retract noise

[fierce walrus]

its rare, but yes

[vague bridge]

and sometimes it even does the loud death noise

[keen seal]

the whip

[vague bridge]

the whip

[lone mortar]

the whip

[vivid kayak]

the whip

[dry pumice]

Alright lads~ calm down, put the white hoods away.

[soft crater]

the whip

[keen seal]

the whip

[vivid kayak]

the whip

[craggy pier]

the whip

[dry pumice]

Oh no

[vague bridge]

oh my god

[past mesa]

terminalAllowedInZone = false;

[craggy pier]

how come the black zombies run so much faster than the asian ones

i have a hard time shooting them

[dry pumice]

Prolonged mutations enhance muscle mass i guess

Also size helps

[craggy pier]

frustrating

they should make all rundown As all asians

even the As have blacks in them

leave the blacks in C level and above

i can't even beat A level man fuck

[halcyon mango]

what's the critical hitbox for a snatcher? Their head?

[craggy pier]

maybe need c-foam to slow them down

[dry pumice]

I don't think they have one

You just shoot anywhere that's not front / head

[cold quarry]

their back takes more damage

[dry pumice]

Prefferably into red bits, prefferably from behind

[halcyon mango]

ah, just seeing that they have a crit multiplier and wondering if you can hit that

body and back shots only it is then

[dry pumice]

Maybe one of the vets knows

I personally don't really care

I just wait until they stand up for a grab and shoot them in the belly

...and usually get grabbed anyway, but you know... Makes me feel smart

[halcyon mango]

thanks

[tardy ingot]

Snatchers dont have a crit spot

[halcyon mango]

aight

slimy little freaks

[craggy pier]

you sure its not the tentacles?

[past mesa]

Yeah

[craggy pier]

mandela effect

im losing my mind

help

😭

[past mesa]

You could be hitting back shots

[halcyon mango]

if you shotgun to the head, does all the pellets hitting at the same time bypass the head breaking, or does the head break part way and some of the pellets get wasted

I guess it won't matter too much since shotguns are mostly body shots

[craggy pier]

for host some pellets will be a waste or hit another sleeper

[halcyon mango]

alright, so for everyone else then, all that hit will register as head shots?

[craggy pier]

how much HP does a strikers head have

[halcyon mango]

15

[craggy pier]

thank

[halcyon mango]

no 10

[sturdy glen]

10 ye

[halcyon mango]

I was thinking of big boys

[craggy pier]

yeah

[stuck elm]

Is steam still cracked?

[dry pumice]

Its the 3/7 day

Its funny how literally none of us learn

[turbid horizon]

i mean some do

They stop asking tho

[tropic vine]

Wensday

[craggy pier]

2 days until NO R6 DROP

[cold quarry]

its gonna happen

[craggy pier]

i wish i can be as confident as you brudda

[cold quarry]

and it's gonna be a big patch too with balance changes and maybe even a singular bugfix

/cope

[craggy pier]

😭

[halcyon mango]

made an interactive tool from the weapon spreadsheets.
any feedback / fact checking will be greatly appreciated.

Notes:
“shots to kill”, when targeting the head, factors in the head breaking and subsequent body shots
“shots to kill” ignores excess damage

Let me know if there’s anything

https://gtfo.sillyslime.dev

[native sun]

Super awesome! Amazing to be able to compare weapons, and the interactivity for the different ranges is excellent.

A couple things I noted while playing around with it:

• I think your damage value is going negative once you go outside falloff end - damage has a floor at 10% of the initial value.
• Whats the approach you use for dealing with tank? I think it might be a smidge simplistic, the optimal number of shots to kill tank is... complicated.

[halcyon mango]

• oh didnt know about a dmg floor, added that
• for all the bosses, I just do (# of tumors needed to kill) x (# of shots to pop a tumor)

Was assuming that you cant do more damage than the health of a tumor.

Thanks!

[slow sundial]

This would be great on specing boosters if you added the ability to +/- % to check damage thresholds after applying a booster

[halcyon mango]

oh, good idea (added)

[native sun]

You don't need to pop a certain number of tumors to kill a boss, you just need to deal their HP worth of damage to them. For mum her health is 1000, and her tumors are 126 HP, which is very close to 1000/8=125. Close enough that you can basically treat it as just needing to pop all 8 tumors.

However, for tank, the tumor HP is 150, which is pretty far from 1000/8=125. Popping 7 tumors is guaranteed to kill (as 7 * 150 = 1050 > 1000). But often the best strat is to avoid popping tumors, so you're never hit by the tumor health capping your damage.

E.g. with Revolver, shooting each tumor 4 times does 1000HP of damage and will kill the tank in just 32 shots, but shooting tumors until they pop will require (5 shots per tumor for the first 6, and then 4 more shots required to kill) 34 shots*.

*: actually just 33 shots, as you can deal up to 151 damage when popping a tumor with excess damage, so there is only 94 damage needed to kill once you start shooting the final tumor, which 3 shots just barely does.

[halcyon mango]

oh yeah, missed that

hm

[native sun]

This discrepancy is particularly affecting low damage weapons for your awesome calculator, e.g. PDW only requires 195 shots, not 210

[native sun]

if you want the gist of how to calculate it, you basically just find the number of shots required to pop a tumor, then do 1 less than that to 8 tumors. If that kills, then it's just HP/damage per shot. If that doesn't kill, then you can find the remaining HP of tank, and remaining HP of tumors, and its just roundup(remaining HP(tank)/remaining HP(tumor)) extra shots

[halcyon mango]

ye this is getting a bit complicated

[native sun]

ye

[halcyon mango]

for mother and big mother, do they also have 8 tumors

oh wait no

I see

[native sun]

Yes, but their tumor health is lower, so you basically have to pop all 8. Technically, the same process can be used, but afaik there isn't a weapon where it changes the shots required vs just popping all 8

[halcyon mango]

yeah, just want to use the same algorithm for all bosses ideally

[halcyon mango]

alright, should be fixed now. I also wanted to factor in hel weapon penetration so just simulated the tumors and spread the shots across all of them until boss dies.

[past mesa]

Time forgot about pimple health when scaling tank health

This has had awful consequences

[native sun]

HEL weapons cannot hit mutliple tumors, unfortunately

[halcyon mango]

oh no. rip

[native sun]

YOU wanted to add Immortal

[past mesa]

true

[halcyon mango]

alright, boss tumors all taken care of

[mossy aurora]

Can you make a custom enemy that has snatcher behavior and AI but is immortal jish

[past mesa]

I mean yeah we plan to randomize enemy abilities

So immortal could possibly role with it

[mossy aurora]

Science has gone too far....

[past mesa]

We went to far after the blood door rando

[native sun]

this man just made r7d1 overload but with extra steps

[mossy aurora]

Immortal snatcher isn't that bad alone I guess

It's just you could have a complete ass objective for it

3 heavy object carry with ramping error + immortal snatcher

[soft crater]

But I can down multiple teammates

[modest monolith]

Heard someone say you can actually penetrate multiple sacks on the back of the Tank with Hel Rifle. I've never tested it before

[past mesa]

You can but never extra dmg

Pen Ray cast is a funny thing

[native sun]

You can hit multiple tumors, eating up the allowed number of penetrations, but you won't deal damage to the ones you hit after the first (bullets can only ever damage a given enemy once)

[dense leaf]

So how does that work? I assume each tumor normally has the same amount of health. If multiple get destroyed with a hel rifle shot, does the remaining health get added into the other tumors?

[fierce walrus]

from what im reading the tumors wont take damage

[past mesa]

Multiple can’t get destroyed

You don’t deal dmg past one pen

tank tumor has 150 and tank has 1000 hp you have to deal the 1000 dmg to kill tank but the only way to deal that dmg practically is popping tumor

[modest monolith]

i see why sniper is the best weapon for tanks

[dense leaf]

Oh duh. If it's not dealing damage, it won't get destroyed. It'll only take up penetration

(I use my brain sometimes I swear)

[fierce walrus]

sniper is just a good weapon for all mini bosses

[past mesa]

Don’t worry it is an easy mistake to make

[dense leaf]

Easy mistake to make, but also easy to understand if u think critically about it lolol

[full jacinth]

bro is sillyslime goated now

[orchid raft]

i have only played r1a1 with them didnt have any problem with them

[bold atlas]

The trailer is coming in a few hours right?

5 hours?

[neon gust]

re-release trailer

hyped

[bold atlas]

[bold atlas]

It’s smth at least XD

[past star]

[bold atlas]

[past star]

Gtfo brainwashing at gamescon knowing people who haven’t seen the game will think new content is releasing

[soft crater]

[bold atlas]

so the trailer will be uploaded to the 10 chanmbers yt channel right?

it wont only be for those in gamescom?

[ocean spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adWKQS_Ju84
10c shared this link on their gtfo account

they streamin the trailer through here

[civic wave]

time to leave that link open and then jumpscared when I randomly get sound from it in a few hours

[ocean spindle]

same

:3

[past star]

Someone translate it for me in brail

Thanks in advance

[dark wren]

is gtfo hard and complex playing alone

[fierce walrus]

yes

it isnt impossible to play with bots, but is harder than with other people

[dark wren]

players can become monsters?

[past star]

Yes

[latent obsidian]

only metaphorically

[past star]

Honestly sometimes I wish I had a bot instead of a player on my team

[fierce walrus]

perhaps

[past star]

I’m not toxic I swear

[fierce walrus]

perhaps

[past star]

[dark wren]

is it based on missions/contracts when you play

like u go in there to grab something and get out or is there other stuff like killing some certain monster

[past star]

Yes

[latent obsidian]

Its varied, there are several different types of mission objective

[dark wren]

ic

[ocean spindle]

usually is search item and do somethin with it, but it can also have a twist or be another thing ike, get to point A to point B or just do this for a certain amount of time

also no u cant, be a monster, unless its by shootin ur own teammates

[dark wren]

oh

do they give you like a time limit for the mission and if you arent there by the extraction point or something you get left behind

[past star]

@hardy grotto is an example of someone becoming a monster

[latent obsidian]

Not really but sometimes a little bit

[ocean spindle]

no time limit, actually each mission can vary between times a lot, short missions can maybe take 30 40 minutes and the longest ones, if ur not skilled enough, 2 and a half hours or more

usually the 'time limit' is just the game pressurin you with enemies that spawn in or somethin

[dark wren]

😭 😭 😭 2 AND A HALF HOURS??

[ocean spindle]

and it doesnt always happen

yeh :]

depends on the mission

most of em are in the one hour time

[latent obsidian]

When you are new to the game you'll do things that should take you 20 minutes in 2 hours

And then when you get better harder missions will take you two hours anyway

[fierce walrus]

overall i would recomend watching some videos of this game on youtube to see how it all plays

[dark wren]

okay

[past star]

Only if your slow

[tardy ingot]

[past star]

On first runs it’s usually done max 1.5 hrs if you don’t dilly dally

[past star]

IM SERIOUS

[ocean spindle]

:^

[dark wren]

damn

whats the chances of running and gunning & making a loud mess getting out alive

[ocean spindle]

... nah

when ur startin out? nah

[latent obsidian]

58%

[past star]

Like 99%

[latent obsidian]

But can be higher or lower if you are better or worse

[ocean spindle]

this game demands stealth specially as newies that dont know how to move with the enemy

so chances are u run out of ammo and die

[tardy ingot]

Theres a few exceptions for this for first runs where 2+ hours isnt uncommon if you play it safe like R4E1, R5D1 and such. But 1 1/2 hours is the usual longer first clear

[fierce walrus]

rather die before you even manage to run out of ammo

[dark wren]

do the monsters like have eyes or is it just they have ears

[tardy ingot]

Its based on experience

and mission

[dark wren]

oh

[latent obsidian]

They have both eyes and ears

[ocean spindle]

mosnters when awake they will lock onto players to kill, on stealth depends more on movement and sounds of gunshots and so

[tardy ingot]

Litteraly bans me from watching a speedrun attempt

tsk

[latent obsidian]

Well, do they have eyes? idk but they can see you as if they do

[fierce walrus]

when sleeping they only react to light and sound, when they wake up they will just go for you wherever you hide

[ocean spindle]

i mean when awake they have eyes

[dark wren]

is there not suppressors in the games or something

[ocean spindle]

nope

this is a hard game and that would be the easy way out

[tardy ingot]

well technically the dmr has one

But its realistic, suppressors wouldnt do shit anyhow

[ocean spindle]

u have a melee weapon that is kinda silent

so thats ur best thing

[dark wren]

so if i cave a monster in with idk some hammer right next to another monster he wont hear me right

[latent obsidian]

Right next to him he will

[fierce walrus]

he will

[past star]

Can’t have you witness greatness

[tardy ingot]

depends on the state of the monster and distance

or rather than monster

[ocean spindle]

depends, if the other enemy is detectin the environment he will notice, and also depends on how close

[tardy ingot]

just call them sleeper

[latent obsidian]

but if you are like 4 hammer lengths away he might not hear

[tardy ingot]

You mean void downing?

[dark wren]

oh okay

[past star]

Exactly

[dark wren]

how friendly is the community on new players then if i do buy it

[tardy ingot]

The stealth system specifics would take a bit of time to explain and are smth youd wanna find out yourself

[fierce walrus]

its pretty friendly

[latent obsidian]

The community is mixed but towards beginners its usually pretty good

[tardy ingot]

Theres a lot of friendly people

Theres a few vets who like to troll for lulz and a small amount of salty vets who would ruin the game. But thats luckily not smth you should witness a lot

[past star]

👀

[ocean spindle]

_>

[dark wren]

is there player levels in the game

[fierce walrus]

nope

[tardy ingot]

No

[ocean spindle]

well theres modded but u should probs start by the vanilla levels to get the grasp of the game

[fierce walrus]

they mean player levels slen

[dark wren]

so i start off with everything theres nothing i need to unlock?

[tardy ingot]

the only even remotely possible way to discern experience without talking/playing with someone is looking at what apparel (skin) they are wearing

Theres like 6 helmets that are only available if you beat a rundown (campaign)

[fierce walrus]

yes

[fierce walrus]

only cosmetics need unlocking

[ocean spindle]

pretty much yeah

and levels

[fierce walrus]

by completing missions

[ocean spindle]

u unlock harder levels by completin easy ones and yeah just cosmetics

[civic wave]

You will earn cosmetics from clearing levels, along with getting the ability to host later levels

[dark wren]

o

[ocean spindle]

other than that every gun is given to u and u just need to choose n stuff

no levels, no xp, only skill

[dark wren]

are the items balanced or are some just utterly busted

[fierce walrus]

some are dogshit some are op

and some are decent

[ocean spindle]

eh id say its pretty balanced

[tardy ingot]

everything is useable

theres obviously differences in power

[past star]

Auto pistol

[ocean spindle]

like at the end u could go for top end weapons, but they wont help u clear levels if u dont have the skill

[civic wave]

for the most part it's pretty good, although there's definitely stuff below curve and other stuff that's rather strong

[ocean spindle]

usable

[fierce walrus]

auto pistol is cool

smg on the other hand...

[ocean spindle]

usable

[past star]

True. You can equip it

[dark wren]

max is 4 players?

[past star]

My bad

[tardy ingot]

Yep

[ocean spindle]

yeah