gtfo-related-questions

[soft crater]

welp

it is what it is

[halcyon sleet]

does r4b3 overload does the terminal start a error?

[winged turtle]

"what level is that?"
"R4-"
"-still don't know, but yes, it does start an error."

[gilded jolt]

R4B1 does not have an error therefore this is a flawed statement

[winged turtle]

ahh fair, i can edit is for accuracy

[fierce nebula]

achually both R4B2 and B4 don't have errors

[halcyon sleet]

b4 doesnt exist

[proper quiver]

are all rundowns similar difficulty, or do they get progressively harder as the number increases

i feel like its a dumb question but i know that they used to swap around rundowns all the time

[past mesa]

4 and 5 are considered the hardest

[proper quiver]

ok ty

and also do you know why r6 isnt available right now

is it going under a rework?

[modest monolith]

my life is the hardest, my friend

[icy cave]

ez to hard R1 -> R3 -> R2/R6 -> R7 -> R4 -> R5

[proper quiver]

👍

thanks

[winged turtle]

you arrived at the end of the "release all the previous seasons of content" cycle. we get AltR6 this month

[soft crater]

surely it would be this month. right?

right????

[past mesa]

Fuck you it comes out this December

10 cc probably

[soft crater]

[gilded jolt]

i hope it comes out soon

[fierce nebula]

I lose my virginity this month then

[gilded jolt]

idec about r6 itself all that much, just want r8 really

[soft crater]

next year this month right?

[fierce nebula]

R6 has a "boss battle"

[soft crater]

Kraken however Pablo chases you as well

[neon gust]

I love shooting a bubbles

[lone mortar]

Me too

[fierce nebula]

it's bubble popping

already better than baby sitting

[soft crater]

instructions unclear. I Missed the bubble and down Bishop

[winged turtle]

this game makes me sad

[lone mortar]

Same

[winged turtle]

[past mesa]

Play gtfo rando

Feel worse

[soft crater]

same

[bold atlas]

wait will there be an alt r7? or will we move on to r8?

[gilded jolt]

r8

don't see the point in there being an alt r7 at all

[tardy ingot]

just rename r7 to alt r7 and add 3 lore logs

profit

[bold atlas]

you see, I dont see a point either

but then

10 cc might think different

[soft crater]

if they do anything for r7 it would be an oddly long time for r7 ext

but highly doubt it

probably just skip to r8

[gilded jolt]

i just want some new content man

i don't have high expectations for the new content but it's better than nothing

[fierce nebula]

GTFO fans explaining the "boss fights": excessive anger and crying, followed by a sigh

[fierce nebula]

they stated they are skipping Alt R7 I think

if we are lucky we might get R7 Ext

[slim pebble]

I'd rather have a more fleshed out system to increase replayability than new maps, but I'm a new player, so clearly can't complain when there are 6 rundowns just there waiting for me to be complete them

[fierce nebula]

they just not ready for R8 to be the last rundown

even when R6 released, the devs said "we have the end on the horizon"

we got R7

all old rundowns back

and now, just R8

[lone mortar]

Nuh uh

[gilded jolt]

yeah i very much doubt they will add more replayability

even back when it was the one rundown at a time system and people complained about replayability a lot more than they do now, the devs would just tell people to finish the content available and then move on to other games

[fierce nebula]

Alt R6 releases when I lose my virginity

[fierce nebula]

yeah the devs don't have that defense anymore

[lone mortar]

Nuh uh

[fierce nebula]

HUH

[cold quarry]

are tools you find completely random?

i.e. can a zone contain c-foam grenades, or just not at all?

debating if bringing a foam gun on KDS Deep is worth it, to avoid the gamble of finding the foam nades

[tardy ingot]

And they dont need to
Hundreds of hours of content pre replaying

Consumables*
Depends

Its not 100% random tho, so a zone that wont ever have cfoam will not suddenly spawn it. But if it can have foam that doesnt mean it always will

[cold quarry]

you think c-foam on KDS is worth it?

me and a buddy just tried to foam one of the mothers, shot two full charges at her and got nothing

so maybe nades are the way to go

[tardy ingot]

yes?

also yea you dont cfoam launcher a mom

[mossy aurora]

Cfoam is definitely worth it on r5e1

Also I would recommend not trying to clear out the mom and tank zone if you need to if you're trying to do that to shut off the giant error with the first terminal

It sounds like more hassle than it's worth

[craggy pier]

its boring to stealth that section

[mossy aurora]

Even more boring to giant cap and run back to spawn

[craggy pier]

unless you are trying to solo who does that

[mossy aurora]

I think that's what grongus trying to do

After you told him the devs designed the map that way on purpose

[craggy pier]

ah well in that case go go grongus

📣

[mossy aurora]

Otherwise why else would he be trying to clear the moms

And asking which tools are worth bringing

[craggy pier]

you def can do it so why not

[cold quarry]

yeah my plan is to shut off giant error + giant alarm with first terminal

or go for broke and do giant alarm, use it to shut down surge

[cold quarry]

yeah, we tried on another level to test and found that it took way too much foam. didn't find a nade though which is why we were trying

i couldn't really tell if it just genuinely takes 2-3 bursts of foam, or if hitting her tumors with it doesn't 'count'

[cold quarry]

seems like stealthing that trying to shut off error would be v dangerous

i guess if you clear the tank one and get lucky with enemy placement in mom zone it could be pretty easy

[craggy pier]

keeping tank alive and killing mom can work

[cold quarry]

hmmm

[tardy ingot]

Its not „way too much“ its that she absorbs it and then it vanishes as a value after a bit

So you gotta reshoot

[cold quarry]

how quickly? we were doing this on a sleeping one in r4c2

just blast, recharge, blast

[tardy ingot]

quickly

[cold quarry]

hmmm

after further testing it takes 2 and a third, if you're doing them back to back as soon as you can

so not really a viable amount

[tardy ingot]

it should be doable in less than 2 easily

i think its 1 1/3rd

[keen breach]

can someone invite me?

[past star]

No one cares about your existence. You are a meaning less speck. I however am top 3!!!! In gtfo!!! And I know this guy at work who is pretty strange… his name is uhhh I actually don’t know. Back to the point… I’ll send the invite soon

[soft crater]

What's your expiration date?

[past star]

Past due, I’m moldy as fuck.

[soft crater]

Shouldn't you be

"Moldy Bread" then

But more importantly what is your most disliked Bread

[tardy ingot]

as an american theres only like 5 choices
Toast, toast thats called bread, toast thats called bread thats even sweeter, toast thats even sweeter than that and basically pure sugar in bread form

[soft crater]

But will it pass the new York knock test?

[tardy ingot]

They are all hard as a brick and as soft as a babysheeps whool at the same time

[soft crater]

[cinder loom]

is there a way i can change my display name in gtfo?

[craggy pier]

you can change it by changing steam name or with a mod

[past star]

Shit with like 30 different grains

[past star]

Jokes on you I eat matzah

Shits fire

[final sigil]

Is there a way to have a private conversation with tech support or do I need to post an issue publically.

[waxen birch]

I wanna play but i just dont wanna use voice lmao, how viable is that?

[ocean spindle]

is viable

u can use the ingame chat or quick chat

[tardy ingot]

no using voice as in not talking
or as in not joining voice channels at all?

first is super easy, theres some rare people that might be bitchy but just ignore those. Easy if you just have it on your name

the 2nd uhh, probably can also work, but will definetly make it harder to get people to join you (joining itself might not be that hard tho)

[waxen birch]

Just me talking through a mic is what i mean, text chat and callouts are fine

[tardy ingot]

yeah just put smth like [no mic] next to your name on the discord

and mostly everyone will be fine with it

[waxen birch]

Okay thank you for that!

hopefully can find some other newbies lol

[soft crater]

Then what is yo Favorite Bread?

Mines is || Homemade Nut Bread ||

[civic wave]

naan bread best bread

[cold quarry]

Arbalist or Veruta for bots? I feel like they don't properly spray the veruta so im thinking arbalist

[ocean spindle]

i mean

why not both

unless ur runnin 3 man then um veruta has more ammo, arbalist ive heard makes em kill faster

so its a choice dependin on the level

[cold quarry]

2 bots

i think im gonna give em arbalist

[vague bridge]

you can mix and match

[past star]

matzah

[ocean spindle]

yeah use two

[neon gust]

Both are good

Veruta got more sustain fire when they engage in terminator mode

So they shoot longer

Arbalist got more damage

Its good to have both on if your running two bots

[cold quarry]

i think i'll do 1 of each then

[cold quarry]

is 'cpu culling workload' better on small if you have a great GPU and pretty good CPU? I notice it isn't really using all my cpu anyways so maybe I should set it to high?

this game has awful utilization

[neon gust]

The higher on that setting the more cpu power uses

Your basically taking processes of the gpu and putting it in the cpu

[cold quarry]

but what should I set it to if neither component max out

my cpu sits at like 20% utilization and gpu at 70

i have it on small rn cause the gpu has a lot of headroom

[neon gust]

So if you have a not so good gpu but a really nice cpu you crank that soldja boy

You can leave it at medium

But if you want more then crank iy

[cold quarry]

im gonna go test it during an alarm

surge alarm for the most amount of cpu usage

CPU culling low: ~110fps starting alarm on R2E1, ~80fps in the midst of ~30 enemies

CPU culling large: ~100fps starting alarm, ~80fps with enemies

hmmghmhgfgh

[tiny gale]

Need help finding a level, I ran it with a team a few weeks ago. Main part is a huge room with two scouts, mutants, and lots of giants. The large room is a respawn room that you need to backtrack through to reach the multiple zones. Optional objective is a sleeping mother with shadows. Anyone know it?

[civic wave]

R5C1

[tender jasper]

how does one join a lobby by the number?

[fierce nebula]

cope, seethe, mald

skill issue

L

no Hackett

[ocean spindle]

u copy the number, go into GTFO and in the rundown screen a button under TRAINING should appear after a few seconds

[tender jasper]

ok thanks

[ocean spindle]

is okii

[umbral gyro]

do med cap + boosters stack

[tropic vine]

if you have a mute/bold/aggressive booster with "Regen cap" they stack

although 2 bold/aggressive boosters do NOT stack, they just have mutiable uses before they are gone

[digital sigil]

Considering grabbing this game while it’s on sale, is the still worth buying at this point? It looks pretty cool but I’m not sure if the game is dead or not.

Thanks.

[tropic vine]

im pretty biased but i would recomend it if you have a few friends to play it with

[digital sigil]

I do not have anyone to play it with, which is my main concern.

[tropic vine]

that makes sense, luckily you are in the right server where you can find people to play with

[digital sigil]

Aight, so would you say it’s worth it?

[soft crater]

[tropic vine]

It is, but you would need to give it some time. its not a game like LFD2

its more of a slower paced tactial shooter

[soft crater]

Hard-core survival horror shooter.

[digital sigil]

Yeah I’ve noticed it’s like a left for dead/ready or not combo, which seems pretty cool.

I mostly play tactical shooters nowadays, so it seems right up my alley. I think I’ll grab it, thanks.

[tropic vine]

np, if it helps id recomend putting on a timer for 1 hour and 45 mins, just in case you dont like the game

[digital sigil]

That’s a good idea

[tropic vine]

be sure to try the training first. and if you like it enough start with ALT://Rundown 1

[solemn flint]

can i have a cup of coffee too

[soft crater]

[tropic vine]

can i have 1 too?

[solemn flint]

[soft crater]

Waking up for work still ngl

[tropic vine]

ah i see

you keep it then

[digital sigil]

That is absolutely cursed looking

[tropic vine]

[digital sigil]

Gotta say the enemy design in this game seems pretty sick

[tropic vine]

They bring me great pain :,)

[tardy ingot]

the general design is neat
theres some special enemies that are actually very cool

[soft crater]

When are we getting the Shadow charger flying snatching scout?

[digital sigil]

One thing that always sucks is it typically takes me 20 minutes or so to rig up the controller controls.

[tropic vine]

alt r9

[tropic vine]

uh oh, slight problem

[tardy ingot]

you should probably play this with mouse n keyboard

[digital sigil]

Next wipe adds an enemy that just blue screens your game

[tardy ingot]

[digital sigil]

Dude I used to play Tarkov on controller I can get it to work lol

[tropic vine]

yea, sadly this game almost requires you to use mouse and keyboard

[tardy ingot]

i mean it can work (its just unnecessary) for the gun play

but you are required to use it on computers

which are required for some levels and are generally very helpful

[digital sigil]

I mean yeah I’ll switch to keyboard to type lol

[tropic vine]

you'll be doing a lot of typing :)

[tardy ingot]

why not just start on mouse n keyboard then?

safe the hassle

its not like controller makes this more fun to play

[digital sigil]

Don’t like mouse and keyboard

[tardy ingot]

(like in for example dark souls)

[digital sigil]

That’s it mostly

Like yeah, I know controller is worse obviously, I just prefer it.

[tropic vine]

I mean you could set it up so that you can do controller and keyboard (like you can use the keyboard when you HAVE to use the computers in game)

[digital sigil]

Yeah that’s what I always do really.

Trust me, I am the master of jank. I used to force Tarkov to run through steam so I could play it on controller lmao.

[tropic vine]

I havent played Tarkov but im just going to assume thats impresive

[tardy ingot]

i can understand liking controllers better for games that fit them
but shooters o.O?

[tropic vine]

But to tell you the honest truth i dont know if the game even has controller support

[tardy ingot]

you can play the shooting with it yea

but terminals are not supported at all

[digital sigil]

All steam games can be forced to use controller. Then I just switch to keyboard for terminals.

[tropic vine]

ooooh intresting

well i guess that'll work wonders then

[soft crater]

slaps on the keyboard attachment

[digital sigil]

Oh I remember that bad boy from my Xbox 360 days

[soft crater]

They still exist for current gen

Controllers

[tardy ingot]

shame, so we wont get a new speedrunner

[tropic vine]

im trying :(

[soft crater]

Controller speed runner? Potential?

[digital sigil]

I can spin in circles real good

[tropic vine]

:o

slow walking in gtfo

[dry pumice]

that's just normal walking

[digital sigil]

real men hold sprint 24/7

[tropic vine]

that is true

i hope i answered some of your questions

[digital sigil]

Yeah thanks dude. Gotta go earn the money now but hopefully I’ll be in the game tonight.

[tropic vine]

gl, and whatever you do

dont wake them up

[digital sigil]

Imma jump in the room like a fuckin alarm clock

[tropic vine]

I mean you can

it just wont end well :>

but im to bed now

[hidden ridge]

It's one of those things that people repeat over and over

Like the plethora of people that get accused of skill issue (sometimes not without reason) on Steam Discussions and they all go "I finished DS!!"

You can very well be good at one game and bad at another

especially when they're 100% different genres

Not saying that's the case at hand

But I'd like to not listen to a "I play Tarkov!" or "I played Dark Souls!" everytime

[craggy pier]

R1A1 is stuck during the start sequence like we are going to the bottom of the earth any help ?

[hidden ridge]

That's usually VPN or something disrupting p2p network like Asus gamefirst IV

[icy cave]

Disable all that nonsense ! who needs it anyways

[icy cave]

I finished all souls !!!!

[digital sigil]

Oh I never said I was good at Tarkov, I fucking sucked at that game. I just said I managed to force it to run on controller, so I know what I’m doing on that front.

[hidden ridge]

Yeah wasn't referring to you eh

Just a general rant

[digital sigil]

Oh, mb

[hidden ridge]

Apologies if it didnt come out

[digital sigil]

Yeah np

[icy cave]

General chat is above

[quartz gale]

what are the best weapons for dealing with chargers? I've checked the spreadsheet a few times but my HEL shotgun + shotgun loadout doesn"t seem very efficient

[craggy pier]

pump, choke, hel rifle, combat

[quartz gale]

any primary weapon reccomendations?

[craggy pier]

hel rev works fine

pdw is ok

dmr is good

[quartz gale]

I mostly run the carbine but I don't think it has the dmg output to effeciently deal with them

[craggy pier]

quick high dmg to stagger/kill is better

[tardy ingot]

it does. carbine has insane dmg
4 bursts is a safe kill

hel shotgun is also good if its a stack of them and you got teammates that will help with the stagger

[quartz gale]

probably not since I usally solo with bots

[vague bridge]

hel rifle is a good special

dont use hel shotgun if you're playing with bots

they'll run into crossfire trying to melee the guys

[quartz gale]

that's probably why I lost R3C1 last night lol

[vague bridge]

chargers and bots never mix well

you could take something like hel revolver

that's always a good pick

[quartz gale]

yeah, bots have questionable decision making lol

[vague bridge]

i think hsmg holds up but im never sure being the not automatics guy

[quartz gale]

does the HEL revolver still have the reload cancel?

[sturdy glen]

ye

[quartz gale]

I used to be an automatics guy back before I really had an understanding of the game

[vague bridge]

yeah

[tardy ingot]

yea no wtf

cant even kill 2 chargers in 1 mag

[vague bridge]

oh

wait so pdw is just better

[quartz gale]

what's the difference between the HEL gun and the HEL rifle? obviously one does more damage and the other has more ammo but like what's the difference in application

[vague bridge]

hel gun has more ammo but less damage

headshot required to kill normals

hel rifle does 30 damage and oneshots normals and chargers alike

hel rifle also pierces more but that ones iffy because of how its pierce works

[cold quarry]

If you've used the revolver and HCP, they're basically like the difference between those two

[quartz gale]

dropping into R3C1 with hel revo and hel rifle, wish me luck

[vague bridge]

have fun

[mossy mist]

Can HEL revo oneshot with a headshot?

Like, with normal enemies

[cold quarry]

With any +main dmg it will oneshot shooters, with +13% it'll oneshot strikers too

[mossy mist]

Ah

[whole grove]

Can choke mod, high cal, (special) revolver and hel gun one shot regular scout to the head?

What weapon can kill charger scout from the back that is not sniper?

[past mesa]

Yeah

[floral acorn]

pump shot

[past mesa]

Shot guns hel rifle burst cannon

[floral acorn]

hel gun from behind kills scout, front u gotta double-

zap zap no problem

[past mesa]

If we include tech any weapon that can deal 10 dmg can

Hammer into quick shot

[floral acorn]

someone made a video about diff weapons killing scouts, r5 or r6 era tho

[whole grove]

Maybe a new video about weapon capabilities should help.

[whole grove]

Hammer and then shoot it with any weapon?

[past mesa]

Yeah as long as the weapon deals 10 dmg fast enough

[soft crater]

does scatter gun do enough for that jish?

[past mesa]

I am pretty sure Rick has a good post about it somewhere in messages

[past mesa]

Yeah I think it does

[soft crater]

[cold quarry]

note about shotguns: you gotta be bang on to kill them. if a single pellet misses, if you're slightly out of effective range, or just angled a little off to not get the full 2x back dmg bonus, it won't die

[soft crater]

looks at my hel rifle

~~ Heh. My 30 damage gun ~~

Though. Shotguns would do more damage (within range/all pellets) with precision

[cold quarry]

not to the back

[soft crater]

?

[cold quarry]

back doesn't count as precision

[soft crater]

I know

[cold quarry]

if you're talking about shooting charger scouts

[soft crater]

Nah

General statement

Because hel rifle does 21.9 on precision vs the 30dmg shotguns doing 30

But ofc that's pointless in terms of black scouts

[halcyon mango]

how efficient is special revolver when you only 2 shot instead of headshot

[cold quarry]

just use high cal at that point

[minor fractal]

About on-par w/ choke.

[halcyon mango]

I'm skill issued by headshots

[soft crater]

Me when I take revolver. Hammer smack on a giant and high noon a few shots into his back

[whole grove]

Does it take 2 buckland shots to the back of a giant after I take out its head with the hammer?

[sturdy glen]

no

itll be 1 if you get full back damage on both

[mossy aurora]

If u hammer the giants head from the front it will take 2

[sturdy glen]

true, I did assume occi

[mossy aurora]

He might have been asking with occi hammer

[whole grove]

Is there a difference between buckland and choke mod in the case of amount of shots?

[mossy aurora]

In terms of shots to kill things? Nope

[cold quarry]

buckland isn't v specific, they make all the special shotguns

you mean pump shotgun right?

[whole grove]

Buckland S870 Shotgun

[cold quarry]

with the pump shotty it would take 1 shot if you hit the giant in the back of the head with sledge

[whole grove]

How many shots with the choke mod, to the back of a giant, does it take after I take out its head with the hammer by occi?

[mossy aurora]

Same as pump shotgun. They have the same damage and precision multiplier

[tardy ingot]

1

[whole grove]

Perfect, this is great to confirm

[whole grove]

What weapon can kill the charger from the back aside from double hammer full charge and buckland S870 shotgun and sniper?

[floral acorn]

hel rifle?

[placid ember]

are we talking normal chargers?

hel rifle can oneshot them from the front

[cold quarry]

high cal, hel rifle, hel gun, choke shotty, combat shotgun

[placid ember]

and so can most shotguns

[floral acorn]

guessing c scout.. ye hel gun, 2 quickies iirc

[cold quarry]

oh yeah he does specify double hammer

[placid ember]

yeah then any weapon that deals atleast 30 damage in one shot or a quick burst can kill charger scouts in the back

[floral acorn]

u can also run behind and spam revolver, soooo satisfying

[placid ember]

but the revolver needs 3 shots for that, does it shoot fast enough to get those off in time?

[floral acorn]

easy 🙂

recoil tho, 3rd and 4th can go too high unless..

[placid ember]

i kind of need to try that now

[floral acorn]

pls do, try not to smile after 🙂

[placid ember]

im at work tho

[floral acorn]

nvidia gamestream and moonlight internet hosting ftw.. not getting caught is the key tho

(hook up an android phone to an usbc monitor with keyboard and mouse attached, in dex open moonlight, connect to home rig, fire up game, collect jaw from the floor)

[whole grove]

Sorry, charger scout

[hidden ridge]

I think burst cannon too, right?

[craggy pier]

Yes

[soft crater]

If they can control it but otherwise yes it can

[whole grove]

Why would one equip the high caliber pistol?

[craggy pier]

Cuz it's better than choke

[ocean spindle]

high cal is like, ok
it has a bit less dmg than a shottie but it is a single bullet, oneshots strikers and is, fine

is just kinda overshadowed by other guns, and even more after the nerf it got

[hidden ridge]

easier to use than rev (I mean special revolver, not hel rev) and a bit more versatile I guess

But rev is a small enemies clear machine if you pop heads consistently, and it has a pretty fast reload.

[ocean spindle]

is a very ok gun to start, with it u learn shooters have more health than strikers and u can kill scouts and is simple to use

but not much else

[silver fable]

if you have skill issue with hel gun, veruta, and arbalist

even then I think har is a better noob gun

but new players struggle to kill scouts and to get quick neat kills on strikers with better specials

high cal is a bandaid on both those issues

[vague bridge]

because hel gun and the two machine guns are the toppest tiers of special

[soft crater]

The more time passes

The more I'm with notion of Hel gun being overrated

Still a good gun though

[soft crater]

Imean ever since the rework. Veruta still seen more and Arbalist being once in a blue moon. in typical LFGs at least

[tardy ingot]

its cuz hel gun actually needs skill to become S+

and hitting shots of the charge up isnt easy for pubs

[soft crater]

I'm not meaning a skill issue

[vague bridge]

revolver has more ammo and also kills in a headshot

• no need to charge up

[hidden ridge]

An argument could be made over whether the ease-of-use is a factor in a gun being good or not

[vague bridge]

especially when ease of use is being traded for i don't know what

the occasional penetration?

[soft crater]

Still bogs my mind the initial charge up is longer than Hel rifles

[placid ember]

oh thats an opinion eva wont like XD

[hidden ridge]

Carbine is good ALSO because it doesn't require whatsoever amount of good aim, really

give someone which aims bad a hel rev and he'll tell you it's shit

give him a carbine and he'll probably tell you it's alright

[soft crater]

Every newcomer who calls a lot of guns shit.

[tardy ingot]

i mean thats an argument for beginners/average player tierlists

not high end

[hidden ridge]

fair enough

[soft crater]

And my lfg statement was more about arbalist pick rate

[tardy ingot]

2 hit killing chargers? spammable dps that doesnt fuck your screen into the stratosphere?
Pen that absolutely murders giants/chargers and smalls alike?

[soft crater]

Not related to hel gun

[placid ember]

by definition most people are average

[hidden ridge]

I rarely pick Veruta instead of Arbalist tbh

[tardy ingot]

yeah cuz everyone is average at something

but in gtfo relation we can easily rank people into 10 different levels (tho it would probably be more precise with 20)

and average would be smth like 4-6/10 or 8-12/20

[soft crater]

With HAR getting RoF/Reduced Recoil.
Arbalist increased dmg and slower Rof.
I find it hard to take Arby now

[vague bridge]

hel rifle outclasses all of this

[soft crater]

Both of which similarly share the 5 dmg area

[hidden ridge]

If you think Eva's an elitist opinioner you have seen nothing

[tardy ingot]

huh?

[hidden ridge]

Eva's pretty agreeable tbh

[soft crater]

Eva is pretty tame compared to what others who exist here have said tbh

[craggy pier]

Opinionated

[soft crater]

[tardy ingot]

it also has very bad downtime after each shot, far less ammo vs smalls. A smaller mag and longer reload

:>

[hidden ridge]

Read that as in you aren't elitist at all

[tardy ingot]

im a hel rifle enjoyer

but its worse than a well used hel gun

hel rifle is easier tho

[vague bridge]

yeah but it one shots chargers so mag doesn't really matter

4.5 < 5

[soft crater]

I just treat Hel rifle similarly to old High cal but with a sight and pens tbh

[tardy ingot]

hel rifle is the best anti charger gun

hel gun is the best gun generally

[vague bridge]

usually a level is either charger heavy or normal heavy

when its a mix i could maybe see hel gun being used

[tardy ingot]

the gap between hel rifle/hel gun on chargers is far smaller than the gap of it vs strikers/shooters/babies

hel gun gives you flexibility on top of anti charger

[tardy ingot]

kinda same. Also far more range :>

[vague bridge]

hel rifle also doesn't require headshots to kill normals

which makes killing 2-4 in a single shot a lot more common

[tardy ingot]

have i not already said hel rifle is easier?

hel gun at top lvl is just better tho

[vague bridge]

ammo

[hidden ridge]

use a terminal

list the zones

maybe there's some around here

[tardy ingot]

?

[hidden ridge]

I think he means that ammo's an issue?

dunno

[tardy ingot]

that is pretty far from the truth lol

especially when as we already discussed, ammo isnt that much of an issue in most situations

[hidden ridge]

Personally I think HEL Gun's fine

[whole grove]

How many things can be hit with hel revolver?

[civic wave]

2 iirc

[hardy grotto]

ammo

[lone mortar]

16

[soft crater]

Isn't it 2 pierces meaning up to 3 enemies can be hit. But majority of cases its 2 targets

[civic wave]

maybe, I got no clue

also depends on the code on whether you can practically get all the pen because of weird distance values

[soft crater]

Ye

Where is my boosted Damage headshot pen triple striker efficiency

Smh

[tardy ingot]

iirc 2 = 1 extra hit

[soft crater]

shrugs

Figures

Never looked too deeply into pierce stats

I'll just test it later today after work

Cconsole be so helpful

though Baby strikers being birthed into a barrage of Hel shotgun shells is funny

[whole grove]

How many shots does it take from the Buckland S870 shotgun to kill a tank?

[tardy ingot]

just call it shotgun

or pump shotty

[civic wave]

quite a few shots, can't remember quite how many, maybe 14

[whole grove]

If two people had the pump would it work to kill a tank in a timely manner?

[civic wave]

If you play it correctly, then yeah

[floral acorn]

pump one of the best against tumors/bubbles

[civic wave]

it's been done before in r4e1 duo

[whole grove]

Would it be more effective if two had the choke mod?

[whole grove]

Is this run somewhere on YouTube?

[civic wave]

it's probably faster but riskier, harder to play too

[civic wave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqO63VMdXM8&pp=ygURZ3RmbyBhbHQgcjRlMSBkdW8%3D

[whole grove]

I have seen speed run from TOM R4E1 the effectiveness of pump + choke mod against the tanks

https://youtu.be/4Dqs-qYOb0I

[floral acorn]

early r6 scattergun was hilarious

deleted tanks like butter

[civic wave]

shotgun and choke mod deal the same damage so whatever

other speedruns used burst cannons and shotguns, doesn't matter too much

[whole grove]

I haven't used the burst cannon as much as I should

I wish the ammo capacity was 40 instead of 20

[tardy ingot]

[eternal bridge]

R6 was SO fun with the Sniper

[soft crater]

S870

[jaunty latch]

does the alarm keep going inbetween reactor waves on r4d1

[past mesa]

Where are you holding?

[jaunty latch]

1st bridge

[past mesa]

It is mainly because the sleepers aren’t dying fast enough sometimes they can get stuck but it should be more than one wave over if your on the bridge

[jaunty latch]

ill plan around pushing through the late waves then

[lunar rain]

Listen I am working on it

[placid ember]

the late spawns are really annoying, my team and i had some troubles with them aswell

sometimes there are stragglers running after us even 3 minutes after the alarm ended

[whole grove]

What order of rundowns should I begin solo? All A levels starting from R1 to R7?

[placid ember]

why play solo if you could enjoy the game with others?

also there are certain levels than can not be completed solo afaik because you need atlest 2 people to be at different terminals

[cold quarry]

technically every level can be solo'd

some just require cheese and/or exploits

[vague bridge]

you should start solo with r1b1 though

[tardy ingot]

that ones just rng hunting for a quick one or a long while

[tardy ingot]

starts game: doesnt have r1a1
is supposed to start at r1b1: cant do that
cries

[vague bridge]

whenever i hear solo

[civic wave]

honestly, I'd just straight up say start r1a1

[vague bridge]

i think solo

[civic wave]

give yourself something more considerable and testing

[winged turtle]

do that, all A's makes more sense then whole rundowns imo

[tardy ingot]

its annoying ye
best way to avoid that is to hold in the reactor (something you should usually NOT do honestly) which is harder to shoot tho

[civic wave]

yes the alarms are cruel, yes you'll get better at the game by holding them alone

[craggy pier]

Does mob density scale to party size?

[vague bridge]

nothing scales to party size

[placid ember]

we were still holding the bridges, but very close to the reactor
and just had someone watch our backs while pushing through the areas

[civic wave]

Nothing scales to player count, it's the same as 1 person as with 4 people

[craggy pier]

oh kk

[hazy crater]

Hold as far as possible you are gods strongest warrior and this is his easiest battle

[whole grove]

I've started to solo and by far the best feeling is that there is a surplus of resources

[tardy ingot]

rooms matter, position in rooms dont

you are either IN it or not

[placid ember]

well, in that case we were both in the reactor room and on the bridge

[tardy ingot]

same issue

[placid ember]

it did work out tho

[tardy ingot]

...

you did not understand what i meant

[placid ember]

i know the enemies spawn 2 rooms away from us

[tardy ingot]

you are very likely to get back spawns and thus delayed waves if not everyone is in the reactor

[tardy ingot]

works a bit different on reactors :>

[placid ember]

the delayed spawn always came from the rooms we were the furthest away from

[tardy ingot]

yes... thats how that works

:I its why you standing in the reactor makes them spawn 2 rooms away (but for all open directions)

which in turn means they can actually reach you in normal speed

[whole grove]

There are better ways to hold out against R4D1

[tardy ingot]

which would be ?

[whole grove]

You could hold out deeper in the rooms you've opened up

[tardy ingot]

thats even worse lol

youll get insanely late spawns at times

[placid ember]

lmao, we tried that on our first attempt
it was horrible

we were litteraly fighting of late spawn for 5 minutes straight

[whole grove]

Say perhaps the first few waves you hold at the free scan door you just opened up at drop down

[tardy ingot]

the first wave you can basically hold anywhere, doesnt rly matter
the 2nd wave you hold in reactor easily. 2 sided spawns that you can just go 2/2 with drop covering
3rd is the only rough one with a 3 way hold
4th is just holding anywhere again where you get to the alarm in time, then pull scout room and just shoot til everythings dead

[whole grove]

I shared an edit map of R4D1 of where to hold out on #gtfo-media

[cold quarry]

that seems like so much work

me and my friends just sat on the bridge going to reactor for every wave, the leftovers during code hunt weren't that bad

[jaunty latch]

oh im doing this solo with bots

[whole grove]

Credit to Zack and True007 when we played earlier this morning. When I played R4D1 first time we had a different slightly different strat.

[jaunty latch]

I managed to almost get to the end but was 5 seconds short of reaching the terminal on wave 4 then ran out of ammo

[tardy ingot]

@native sun mind explaing

[whole grove]

Zack is really the one who suggested it

[tardy ingot]

which of the 1 million zacks

[cold quarry]

if it worked for you then its fine

[whole grove]

I recorded our whole game with OBS

😂 I could check haha

Any suggestions for load out to do R1C1 solo?

hel revolver and hel gun/hel rifle?

[placid ember]

hel gun

[jaunty latch]

assault rifle and burst cannon worked for me though it was with bots not true solo

[ocean spindle]

for solo probs the hel gun and not the rifle, since it's much faster and flexible

[hidden ridge]

This really

Just hold on bridges

for both R2D2 and R4D1

Yes at a certain point you start getting them to come from more than 1 direction

No, it doesn't really matter much

Just dont peek over to the other rooms

[craggy pier]

do you guys run bio scanner on ur teams?

[floral acorn]

always

[craggy pier]

yes its a great info tool

[ocean spindle]

hell yeh

[winged turtle]

plus tagged enemies are so much eaiser to hit in the dark and in fog, and besides that its the closest to aim assist this game gives you

[floral acorn]

also sniper and shotgun sentries become godtier with tags

[raven owl]

Yeah, except for missions where you know the layout and enemy whereabouts are not important (Rare cases such as ||R1C1||)

[neon gust]

No

Dont listen to this guy lmao

[ocean spindle]

nah

[neon gust]

Bring bio always

[ocean spindle]

always pick bio

is cool

[neon gust]

Its the most valuable tool

And it buff sentries (shotgun and sniper sentries)

Visibility its always welcome and it helps with awareness

[raven owl]

Real

[neon gust]

Give it to a bot and you have 2 rooms worth of scans every 5 seconds since they have a 360 scan radius

[civic wave]

you gain so much from bio, and lose nothing from taking it

unless you're running solo but eh

[neon gust]

Source: been playing from a long time

[civic wave]

pretty much every duo uses biotracker as well

[neon gust]

AND its free

No tool require

[raven owl]

This is so true, I have not been playing long enough to be a valid source 😔

[neon gust]

So you can allocate the tool to other tools

[neon gust]

K

[raven owl]

Lmfao

[tardy ingot]

not bringing bio is only the smart play in super rare cases

like challenge runs

[raven owl]

Biotracker also enhances sniper/shotgun sentries supposedly

[tardy ingot]

yes, increases the rate they shoot and makes them use less ammo on tracked targets

[dry pumice]

It much unfortunately does

[raven owl]

Use less ammo?

[dry pumice]

Ocassionaly skips an ammo consumption

...probably

[neon gust]

Literally

Biotrscker synergy

[winged turtle]

always bring one always.
its correct to bring 2 bios more often than its correct to bring zero

[neon gust]

On the gun description

Tool*

[soft crater]

4 bio challenge

[neon gust]

It refund your ammo when it shoots, faster targetting

[craggy pier]

symbiosis

[raven owl]

The shadows cannot hide from your team lmao

[craggy pier]

🤓

[neon gust]

I refuse

🐟

I actually just forgor the word

[craggy pier]

cmon now dont be a punk

[neon gust]

[raven owl]

I don't know when shotgun sentry ever comes in handy tho

[craggy pier]

close quarters for when u wanna stop anything from going through

[tardy ingot]

honestly, bring bio even with 3 burst sentries

its just that good

[raven owl]

Information is awesome

[neon gust]

Shotgun sentry its underated

If you bio user sucks then the sentry its nkt getting 100% valur

[raven owl]

Imma be honest, I want to stop everything from getting through, but more often than not I still use burst

[neon gust]

But man if you have a bot

[neon gust]

By design its impossible to stop everything unlees your using foam

[raven owl]

Yes, so that cannot possibly be the justification for using shotgun sentry

Is it damage, stagger, or crowd control that justifies using shotgun sentry

[dry pumice]

Its okay on very tight maps where you expect knife-fighting enemies

Like uh... That final room of R4D2

If i remeber correctly

[neon gust]

I mean it does stop a lot of sleepers in their track

[dry pumice]

You can put it around corners so it catches them then they're trying to take a turn

[neon gust]

But if you want 100 just use a door and foam it with amine

[dry pumice]

And just very tight tunnels so it can hit multiple target

[neon gust]

Or foam the floor + sentries

[hazy crater]

Anime?

[neon gust]

If its a security door

Yeah chainsaw man

[raven owl]

a mine

or that ok

Lmao

[dry pumice]

But other than that...

Anything that isn't burst is basically just memeing

Burst works at any range, on any map and doesn't need the bio symbiosis clutch to work properly

Just place and forget

Also it doesn't oneshot your teammates the second they walk in front of it

[raven owl]

That is so true

[hazy crater]

I have also been one shot by the sniper sentry

[raven owl]

Dayum

[hazy crater]

We need a support group

[dry pumice]

The only advantage i can think of is that you can use sniper sentries as a round about way of killing scouts and shadow scouts

[hazy crater]

I’ve used it for reactor levels for giants

[dry pumice]

That too

Its great against giants

Unfortunately the possibility it will aim for one is pretty low

[raven owl]

Oh can sniper sentry one shot giants?

[dry pumice]

Uh

Not sure about oneshoting, but it deals some mean damage to them since it does aims for the head

Damage
48.1

[raven owl]

Burst sentries destroying the heads of giants is actually kind of annoying for snipers lol

[dry pumice]

goddamn i never realized that thing hits even harder than the actual sniper rifle

basic precision bonus though

How much damage a giant takes to the head? 1.5?

72,15 damage

it removes almost exactly 60% of giant's health

[neon gust]

Classic artek L

[dry pumice]

And of course its particularly painful for giant shooters and those damn hybrids

So to that extent its a dedicated giant killer. Now if only you could somehow advise it to pick correct targets and not throw away 28 points of damage into the shitter by killing a biter

[cold quarry]

almost oneshots tank tumors too

[raven owl]

But does it target tumors only?

[dry pumice]

I believe we already had that question and i believe the answer was "no"

[raven owl]

Or anything it can shoot including the immune part of the tank

[dry pumice]

It just aims for main body mass and hits tumors by accident

[raven owl]

Lmao

[hazy crater]

Pls I don’t know what a tank is 🥺

[raven owl]

They're not real ||(Some ez mini boss trust)||

[craggy pier]

quickly look away

[dry pumice]

Just imagine left 4 dead tank as a placeholder for now, its fine

[cold quarry]

probably isn't smart enough to aim for them, but if you get it's back facing the sentry it'd be hard for it to miss

[craggy pier]

What's left 4 dead tank

[cold quarry]

big meaty man

[craggy pier]

You know when I was a kid I had a great imagination but now I barely can come up with something original
You're not giving me much to work with

[raven owl]

Imagine the GTFO tank then imagine something slightly different, then undo that to get the GTFO Tank

[hidden ridge]

Imagine the Dwayne Johnson but it's bigger, smaller head, a zombie, and can throw pieces of asphalth or cars at you

Well it doesn't really throw cars it punches them and the cars can hit you

[craggy pier]

So like hulk?

[hidden ridge]

That's an apt approximation

[dry pumice]

Hulk, but he skipped leg day

And doubled down on hand day instead

And the head stayed human for some reason

[craggy pier]

We should have an enemy like that in gtfo

[neon gust]

4 handed sleeper

Peppermight farm remembers

[cold quarry]

New enemies??? In GTFO????

[craggy pier]

Immortal 😭

[soft crater]

Flying shadow charger Hybrid Scout?!??!

[pure trout]

how can i submit a bug report? textures of sleeves missing half the time on SMC Cut Model I

[soft crater]

#1049599987878723635

[native sun]

idk, even while holding past east bridge in that outside room I've never had any trouble with late spawns. You kill the east spawns super fast, and while the other spawns do take a while to get to you, once the timer is up you push that way anyway, so I've always been able to clean them all up while pushing to the next code.

I can see how if you got like non-stop north(/west) spawns you wouldn't get through the population fast enough. But in those cases we probably get bored to just start pushing west to get them sooner.

Only spooky one is code 2, since if you're pushing back and shoot in reactor room you might pull the scouts, but even for that when you're coming back you could just send people to hold north, they'll be far enough so someone can get the scouts. Most of the time you can just shoot both scouts from reactor room anyway.

And then for code 4 holding far west in a side room. Late spawns don't matter since you just push to alarm and pull it immediately. I used to enjoy holding in the farthest west room itself, it was always spicy when a big charger would spawn in the middle of 3 people. IZack showed me the side room, which makes it a very easy two way funnel.

[flat whale]

what are some acronyms and lingo I should know, like I wanna join some of the beginner games but I have no idea what lf2 means

[ocean spindle]

'Looking for 2', as in lookin for 2 players
check #how-to-matchmake

[flat whale]

thanks

Its got everything probably shouldve checked that first

[ocean spindle]

is oki

[winged turtle]

Rundown 3, A tier Level 3 =
R3A3

uhhhh in game lingo? uhhh is there any that i am not thinking of Slendi?

[raven owl]

feelers = scouts

Not much of a lingo, but people use these two interchangeably

[ocean spindle]

um
pain = fun

i guess

[raven owl]

That is so real

[civic wave]

there's some enemy names and stuff, also people will not use your name because god forbid somebody do that

instead they'll call you by your in game colour

[raven owl]

Oh ye

That too

[civic wave]

so pink/red, blue, green, purple

[flat whale]

really helpful I usually dont pay attenion to my color in games

[thick rapids]

hol on I got some how to play the game questions I just tried to beat r1 like secojnd level, and idk what to do, cause I've lost it twice now. do you avoid the enemies by stealthing? Take them out while stealthing? or wake up the entire room. Furthermore, its impossible to take out the big goons while stealthing, so idk what to do now.

[winged turtle]

most people refer to weapons by their descriptor and not make and model
PDW ✅
Malatak jumprope 420 ❌

[civic wave]

uhh akshually PDW is the Accrat STB 🤓

or some bollocks like that

[thick rapids]

basically im asking, how do you play the game??

[civic wave]

generally you stealth kill what you can, for the big guys they are possible to stealth kill but you could also shoot them after dealing with everything else

or you could go elsewhere in the mission and likely avoid most of the big ones

because there are several paths you can take

[raven owl]

You can stealth a room if you are just grabbing a key item

Otherwise try to kill everything steathly, and depending which melee weapon you have you'll have to take different stealth approaches. Knife can go fast and quietly, but only for small guys. Hammer can deal with big guys but can't deal with many small guys fast.

[ocean spindle]

b sure u did play the tutorial of course if u havent already

it has a section for evadin enemies too

but ur second level so

doubt u havent

just in case

[winged turtle]

uhhh when things are dangerous you hard stealth, when you are in danger, you protect your HP usually by spending ammo.

but i think the 2 important skill to learn first are

1. when a room wakes up/you are in danger, shoot, shoot more, aim well, back up to an easy to defend position, shoot more, keep shooting, don't die.
2. experiment with stealth, learn their system of waking up, and how long you have to kill them before they scream (a distinct animation that wakes up the room they are in)

[raven owl]

And the game is much more enjoyable and easier to coordinate with companions

[thick rapids]

alr alr yeah im playing with a friend

but stealth killing

I ganked I small guy with 5 sleeping big guys surrounding

and they woke up

[raven owl]

Oh yeah

[thick rapids]

so I think im missing something with the stealth kill system

[raven owl]

Lmao, killing enemies that are close to each other will wake them up

[jagged shore]

Unless the one you're killing is already awake I think

[thick rapids]

hmm

so you gotta pick off the stragglers then?

[raven owl]

You could

[thick rapids]

back in that room with the big guys, it was impossible to move forward because there were 8 of them all on different heartbeat cycles

[raven owl]

Or you and your friend could coordinate killing them at the same time

[jagged shore]

Yeah you kill ones mostly on their own, and/or team kill the grouped up ones

[ocean spindle]

u can flash em quickly, like a smol flash with ur flashlight and sync em up

can allow u to move more

[winged turtle]

yup, within 2 meters will wake up 100% of the time, and there is something called long range aggro that is a smaller chance, 14m range, and LoS dependant

[raven owl]

If this is not possible such as the 5 giants in his case, you might want to consider going loud with guns

[thick rapids]

mhm

but we had little ammo, and the room was basically packed

but the flashlight flash seems interesting

[raven owl]

Oh and another thing about stealthing, crouching and uncrouching will alert enemies a little, but won't wake them up unless they are already pulsing

Rotating around is fine tho

[winged turtle]

rule of thumb is your keyboard makes noise, but moving your mouse doesn't

[raven owl]

(except hitting the floor/wall/structure or locks with your melee near an enemy, but that's a given lole)

[thick rapids]

oh alr alr

[summer meteor]

If you use a hellgun/rifle against a boss enemy that has weakspots on its back, will the shot penatrate the enemy's body and hit the weakspot?

[cold quarry]

no

[ocean spindle]

no

[cold quarry]

they also can't be used from the side to penetrate multiple tumors

[silver fable]

hel gun/rifle are less than ideal bosskillers in general

[fierce nebula]

they are the best bosskillers cause the penetration gives extra damage

[civic wave]

Source: you made it the fuck up

[silver fable]

there is broad agreement among experienced players that this is the case, but it's not why I compared high cal to them

I'd put pump/choke shotguns somewhere in the middle on a tier list, but they escape the hel gun/mg comparison mostly because they're great into bosses

so they have an area of comparative advantage

high cal is okay but unexciting into bigs, abysmal into chargers, and not great into bosses

so you'd expect it to really stand out into smalls

[ocean spindle]

unexciting

[silver fable]

but it doesn't

[fierce nebula]

uhm achually just mod the game and get this gun called "The God Killer" which has 999 damage and 999 ammo
most powerful gun in the game like fr fr

[silver fable]

hel gun and the mg's have kinda blurred smalls, bigs, and to some extent chargers, into one mass

they just don't care, they cut down all of that stuff

so anything that wants to be pointed at smalls and bigs gets compared to them

[silver fable]

hel rifle is such a polarizing gun

[cold quarry]

mag size and the fire rate holds it back imo

[silver fable]

mainly fire rate

the shot cooldown is a big impediment

[cold quarry]

they definitely went for style with the heavy 'recoil' (that doesn't really matter because of the fire rate) giving it the vibe of a big visual impact

downside being that yeah its very satisfying to shoot, but the firerate sucks

[fierce nebula]

it's the Homelander of GTFO guns

[silver fable]

it's kind of a choke mod, but more "precise" (range + firing a slug), but much slower and much worse into bosses

so without pen it'd be a little underwhelming

[cold quarry]

Elaborate

[fierce nebula]

watch The Boys on Amazon Prime

[cold quarry]

I have

Homelanderis insanely powerful and unpredictable how does that describe the high cal though

[fierce nebula]

oh lmao, that the gun is more for show rather than any actual fire power

[silver fable]

my duos partner has been using hel rifle a lot in r5 duos, used it in b3, c1, now c2, each time for a somewhat different reason but each time looking for max value from pen cleanups

well maybe less about the max pen value for c2

I still wonder where the skill ceiling of hel rifle actually is

there are things you can do to manage the cooldown for sure

and it's the kind of gun that teaches you that you can always take advantage of more range

[sturdy glen]

ngl the only disadvantage I actually feel on rifle vs gun is the mag size

I do not feel the fire rate because I only fire it consecutively at long range where it doesnt matter and im aiming for pen anyways

however I do always use it with hel shotgun so cqc is kind of a joke

[fierce nebula]

Bullpup users rejoice

[mossy aurora]

I agree with this take

Or you take time in between shots strafing to get a lineup so you aren't going to spam it anyways

[neon gust]

I tought we all came to the conclusion that hel rifle its theost balance gun in the game

[soft crater]

Does that mean the gun likes Breast Milk too?

[raven owl]

Can you one-shot a charger with a fully charged spear to the back

[soft crater]

yes

17.5 x 2 = 35

[raven owl]

And spear's precision damage right

Like 1.x something

I forgor the specifics

[neon gust]

Chargers dont recieve prs damage

Only back damage

Pres damage is damage to a weakspot

[soft crater]

weakpoint for most common enemies being the head.

[raven owl]

I see

[soft crater]

however chargers are unique in that. they do not have a head weakpoint

[raven owl]

Yeah, I just didn't know precision damage was only for head atks

[jagged shore]

Back isn't a weak point, it's just a generic damage scaling thing

[wooden flare]

hello

what''s the difference with orange and grey boxes in the mappp

[neon gust]

Grey open
Oranfe unopenned

[cold quarry]

orange can be opened, it just means that it has something in it

grey is empty

[mossy aurora]

People still hung up on hel rifle because it's DPS is low

[soft crater]

[wooden flare]

but we havve already opened it and it is still orange

[soft crater]

it's not perfect.

[wooden flare]

ohh.

[cold quarry]

it doesn't work half the time

[soft crater]

but orange is supposed to mean something is still in it

would be a neat thing if it was reliable though

[neon gust]

Dps on a railgun??!!!??

Are you fucking kidding me

[mossy aurora]

[neon gust]

[cold quarry]

that's like calling the sniper shit cause it's 'dps' is low

[soft crater]

[mossy aurora]

There are a lot of DPS stat enthusiasts here

[neon gust]

Monkey_reaction

[cold quarry]

i feel like theres only a few guns where dps is truly a factor

the pump shotgun has great sustained dps with 8rnd tube, the HAR's main upside over the machineguns is it's dps

[mossy aurora]

I think that you address DPS issues with decision making. If you're trying to fight 2-3 giants in an open area but can't kill them/stagger them fast enough so you get licked a couple times, that's mainly a you problem not a gun problem

[cold quarry]

yeah

even with the ones i listed, i feel like the only time something like the pump shotty's sustained DPS comes into play is stuff like killing mothers

[fierce nebula]

I vote that all guns can be milked

[soft crater]

curious. do the hammer head pieces have names? (the unreleased ones)

[tardy ingot]

Ive had 2 runs where for the whole of wave 2-4 only 3 spawns from that direction happened

[native sun]

Sledgehammer, Maul, Gavel and Mallet

[native sun]

idk just be luckier

[soft crater]

not legacy hammers

[native sun]

It can definitely happen that way though, though I'm not sure being that unlucky is something you have to optimize for

[native sun]

Choke mod SIX HUNDRED DPS clearly BEST GUN

[soft crater]

just trying to make a list of the Hammer head IDs for the Maul cosmetic mod

[tardy ingot]

i personally just hold reactor now

Its more fun anyhow and resolves the spawning issue entirely

[fierce nebula]

I just move the reactor with my bare arms

I'm that strong

[cold quarry]

i just put in 4 fuel rods and blow the damn thing up

[mossy aurora]

[native sun]

I can agree with it being more fun, but if you're doing stuff for fun in R4D1 I don't think you need to be worrying about picking optimal hold positions

[tardy ingot]

well, its more fun and removes (imo) one of the 2 most challenging things in the level

1. being the waves themselves that you obviously cant remove
2. being incredible late spawns

[whole grove]

I've done reactor room and its quite intense feeling surrounded

[native sun]

@whole grove re: shotgun into tank, it takes ~12 shots to kill, so two players can fairly comfortably one clip a tank if they both get in from behind

[whole grove]

Would be fun to try sometime

Is the shadow scout the exact same as the regular scout or should I approach it differently when hitting it?

[jaunty latch]

just keep the light on when rushing so you can see its head

[native sun]

It has a slightly different model, but if you just jump and hit as if it were a regular scout you should be fine

[jaunty latch]

it walks in a slightly different position too though I think it has the head raised more often then the normal ones due to it

[native sun]

Can recommend dropping in with a pdw and just watching one for a while

[whole grove]

Which rundown can I reach one the fastest?

[solemn flint]

1 question

How to make a move that is classified as eva move?

[whole grove]

How does the PDW compare to other primary weapons if one were to rank it against the others?

[solemn flint]

Dumb scope

But insane cleaning

[jaunty latch]

I would use it even if it didnt have the scope if that says anything

[whole grove]

A shadow scout will find me in R5E1

[tardy ingot]

pretty much the best full auto
Thermals being good utility
Overall a top 5/6 main weapon

To rank stats more precisely:

• best reload (with reload cancel) in the game
• very good amount of dmg/refill and efficiency

[modest monolith]

Shadow scout is actually not so much different from normal one. Just turn on the flashlight and bonk the scout. I always jump and aim for the head of the scout everytime.

[summer matrix]

Is it possible to stack boosters in such a way that players negate all incoming damage

[tardy ingot]

no

[summer matrix]

this game gets a 0 out of 0

[hidden ridge]

A tank? R4E1 I guess

[lone mortar]

yes

the highest dmg i negated into 2hp per bite

[native sun]

Max is (15 + 20 + 40 =) 75% resistance

[whole grove]

What are the best sledgehammer tips against each type of enemy?

[craggy pier]

bonk

[tardy ingot]

bonk

like, you could go into kill % and stagger % for them all

or like other stuff

but

[dry pumice]

Aim for head, be behind if you can help it.

Its basically a universal tip for all melees... There's no particular trick to any of them. The difference is just raw efficiency and hammer is king in that.

Bat is just hammer junior - trades raw damage and range for quicker charge. Still breaks locks like its nothing, staggers just as well if not better.
Spear is... Urgh.
Knife is the only guy with any sense of real identity because it got a unique feature of dealing bonus damage to sleeping enemies so its a perfect stealth weapon and being the fastest melee you can go on insane kill streaks with it, but forget fighting giants with it.

[silver fable]

Probably a firm top 5 main

[tropic vine]

for smalls, half charge to the head should kill
chargers, 80% charge to the back
Giants 1 occiput + 2 back hits
scout, Jump before you hit (it avoids neck shots)
bbc (i forget if its 3-4 hits) to the back, can solo stealth kill if you use any foam product (with launcher may need to be frame perfect or foam to like 99%, meele, goop so it freeze and hammer its ass)
charger scouts, in the back with meele needle or foam (can have 2 people hit it in the back at the same time)
mom, if everyone agrees on it or something idk i like to shoot
dad, dont
flyers, dont
snatchers, dont

[silver fable]

hammering flyers is fun

[tropic vine]

(note: you might be able to kill a bbc with a meele needle but i havent tested it)

[silver fable]

it's possible, if a tad risky, to just solo hammer a bbc

[tardy ingot]

both bbc and giant strikers can be 3 hit from behind with hammer

no occi needed (just makes it 100% reliable) for giant striker

[tardy ingot]

Yes it works since it triples dmg

[tardy ingot]

other things

Flyers are chill to melee
Snatchers actually work with 2 people. Can stagger them out of grab :p
Charger scout, 1 back hit and 1 anywhere is enough

[silver fable]

for regular giants I think the best tips are to just start the next charge immediately after landing the last (it can't recover from soft stagger and finish the start-up of a tongue before your next full hammer charge comes out), learn the max range of your hammer (its melee can reach nearly as far as yours), and don't fight giants on stairs

[hidden ridge]

And if you're client try to release sooner

[tropic vine]

:o

[whole grove]

How many number of mines would kill a tank, mother, P-mother?

Does it take two mines to kill a charger scout?

[tardy ingot]

My man

[whole grove]

Does it take one mine to kill a regular scout?

[tardy ingot]

check the spreadsheet

mines do 50 dmg

[civic wave]

I know it's 7 for tank if you do it properly, everything else I don't really know

[whole grove]

Where can I find the spreadsheet?

[vague bridge]

spreadsheet is outdated

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Br_2A3n3YDO1v0Kld27KCLvwRYKJqjliyhntoT2NTp4/edit#gid=357939554

[torn slate]

can the precision rifle one shot scouts if you hit the front of the head or does it need to be the occiput

[craggy pier]

Both

[torn slate]

ty

[craggy pier]

1 shot

[civic wave]

As long as you're within damage falloff

Which is 30m, which is kinda hilarious

[dry pumice]

How big is that in practical terms?

Any room that's almost perfect 30m for comparison sake?

[vague bridge]

that sounds like nothing at all

[dry pumice]

Because i did shoot the scout before and had it wake up

So now i'm very worried about this

I'm almost scared to use the PR now

[vague bridge]

what i typically do is ping a door and walk away until i hit the wanted distance

ive done that a few times for mine damage falloff which is 15

and from what i can remember thats very short

I'll hop into a game and do some measurements real quick

[dry pumice]

You know what... I'll do too

[civic wave]

A big square on the map is 12.5m iirc

So just over 2 squares

[dry pumice]

no emebeds right?

unfprtunate

[civic wave]

Like 2.4 squares or something

[dry pumice]

anyway

R1A1 first big door in the room with the shelves

[civic wave]

Could also use sentry/cell for reference

[dry pumice]

the end of the furthest shelve is like 27m

relative to the door

that's relatively decent but still

6 seconds of sprint

so kind long, but not really long. A safe medium range

none of that sniping across the room shit

[civic wave]

Yeah, certainly not enough dropoff to trust

[vague bridge]

#gtfo-media

i took too long but i dont care

[fierce nebula]

stab the scout

[jaunty latch]

ive had a friend wake a room from being outside those 30m before lol

[civic wave]

Damage falloff has absolutely nothing to do with sound

[ocean spindle]

that is another, thing

[jaunty latch]

I mean he shot the scout in the head with it and it didnt die

then screamed