gtfo-related-questions

[dry pumice]

Also consume less ammo or something like that

[jaunty tapir]

What bout burst

[dry pumice]

Not super sure about that

Burst doesn't care and neither does auto i think

[tardy ingot]

remember the gun stat questions ?

Anybody know which gun this is?

Precision: 5
Ammo: 8
Stagger potential: 3
Dmg: 2

[dry pumice]

uhhhhhhhh

Revolver?

Or one of the SMGs

[jaunty tapir]

Hel revolver?

I sure do love revolvers and pistols.

[dry pumice]

has a lot of ammo, deals no damage, kinda good with precision...

[tardy ingot]

hel revo has actual stagger value

[dry pumice]

Couldn't be bullpup, it has less total bullets than vanilla AR

So either vanilla SMG or UZI

[tardy ingot]

oh btw

ammo = efficiency

not necessarily bullet amount

[ocean spindle]

the MP5

:>

[dry pumice]

Still same then

[ocean spindle]

rifle?

[tardy ingot]

nop

rifle has stagger multi

and ass ammo

also better dmg

[ocean spindle]

ah right the stagger multi

[tardy ingot]

artek was close with one

[dry pumice]

couldn't be PDW, the damage of "2" doesn't add up

[tardy ingot]

[dry pumice]

No idea. I can't remember which one of them has crap damage but decent prec... Gonna check the wiki real quick

Damage
1.86
Precision Multiplier
0.91x

vs

Damage
1.81
Precision Multiplier
0.7413x

[tardy ingot]

precision is a mix of precision multi and being worth it too shot that

[dry pumice]

I vote vanilla SMG, final answer

[tardy ingot]

heavy smg

[dry pumice]

what

[ocean spindle]

dmg 2?

[dry pumice]

Damage
2.3
Precision Multiplier
0.8x

[ocean spindle]

ah

[dry pumice]

Yeah, i'm calling bullshit on damage = 2/10

[ocean spindle]

so it wasnt out of 10

was it?

[tardy ingot]

i categorized all weapons

[ocean spindle]

or yes?

[tardy ingot]

out of 10

[ocean spindle]

2/10?

[tardy ingot]

yep

[dry pumice]

Hm, then again

No, still doesn't add up

[ocean spindle]

why is pdw then the big dmg gun but heavy smg isnt ksmdksmk qwq

i mean as in compared to every other GTFO weapon ever?

[tardy ingot]

Huh?

[ocean spindle]

i guess then mayb 2/10?

[tardy ingot]

they have the same dmg

[ocean spindle]

yeah exactly qwq

[dry pumice]

HEL PP is 1/10 because 1.0 DMG
Various low cal SMGs and bullpup are 1.8 which is 2nd worst damage tier and is therefore 2/10

Heavy SMG should be 3/10 at least

[tardy ingot]

2.3 vs 1.9 barely differs tbh

in the grand scheme here

if i did out of 15 maybe

but thats confusing

Next one:

precision: 9
Ammo: 6
Hip fire: 1

[dry pumice]

Tell that when they will listen to my hint to buff BP to 2.2

[ocean spindle]

qwq

um wild guess

precision rifle

[dry pumice]

(one of the routes, but a man can dream)

[tardy ingot]

Ding ding ding

[dry pumice]

DMR?

Nevermind

[ocean spindle]

what

damn

[dry pumice]

What do you mean hip fire 1?

I thought its decent

[ocean spindle]

i just read precision 9 and i was like YEAH SURE

[dry pumice]

I very often hip fire it and its... Okay

Could be better, could be worse

[tardy ingot]

you rly dont wanna hipfire it unless you are in the face of the enemy

[dry pumice]

meanwhile: DTP

[ocean spindle]

i mean for a weapon like this

[tardy ingot]

could argue 2

[dry pumice]

I equiped DTP recently

[ocean spindle]

hipfire is, terrible

[dry pumice]

the sheer size of the circle jumpscared me

[tardy ingot]

Guess what its 1 too

lol

[dry pumice]

reload speed?

[tardy ingot]

1

For prec rifle

[dry pumice]

raw damage?

[ocean spindle]

o n e

[tardy ingot]

5

[dry pumice]

not coming up on anything

Bad reload to mag size ratio, doesn't hit quite as hard as it should

[ocean spindle]

stagger?

[dry pumice]

can't come up with anything else

[ocean spindle]

idk if it staggers or not

i never measured it ksmdkm

[dry pumice]

ADS?

[tardy ingot]

3

[dry pumice]

It can't ammo efficiency can it? I swear its alright at deleting smalls

[tardy ingot]

Stagger
Hip fire
Dmg
Prec
Ammo
Range
Reload

[dry pumice]

usefulness against giants?

Literally only leaves ammo and reload and i don't agree with ammo

[ocean spindle]

i guess range cause funny funny numbers?

[dry pumice]

So either reload or explain yourself.
Unless i don't know something about range.

[ocean spindle]

wasnt it a thing that the bullet goes away faster

[dry pumice]

Although...

I did that one time headshoted a scout and it didn't die

It bothers me ever since

[ocean spindle]

is ok i missed some scouts with pr too

pat pat

[dry pumice]

Alright, i'm voting range

[ocean spindle]

i mean u did say reload already, and they said '1', but then u just kept goin

idk it confuses me

[dry pumice]

@tardy ingot Well? What was the answer? I'm curious to hear it + arguments.

[tardy ingot]

1st heavy smg
2nd prec rifle

[ocean spindle]

i dont think that was the question that needed the answer sdmkmks

[dry pumice]

^

by "its" i presume you also meant PR

So PR has two 1s: hip fire and something else

[tardy ingot]

That was dtr also being 1 in hipfire

[dry pumice]

Oh. Misunderstanding then. Alright.

Also no, i'm not okay with that. If DTR is Hipfire=1 then PR should be like at least 2 for certain.

[craggy pier]

are there any plans for the devs to clean up some of the reloads n stuff

quite a few of them are borked

[tardy ingot]

Hm?

[ocean spindle]

um probs not, i think most of em are cool as hell and some had reworks to b way better
but i think the only regular one is like

mastaba revo

and thats it

[craggy pier]

the pdw mag gets pushed in by air

the special revolver is also a bit

not... good

[ocean spindle]

yeah thats the revo i meant

but the pdw reload is gorgeous tho

?

dont u mean the heavy smg?

thats one a bug

[dry pumice]

Fixing aesthetics? Big doubt on that.

[craggy pier]

yeah that was

[dry pumice]

They can barely fix the game

[ocean spindle]

haha ba dum tss

anyways

yeah i hope they fixed that one

but it also funny cause

it was broken from the og too kdmkms

[craggy pier]

https://tenor.com/view/future-squidward-spongebob-gif-4767609

[ocean spindle]

if i was a dev i wouldve not fix it for a bit just to b like 'haha is the same' but

i

i hope its fixed KSMDKMSKD

[tardy ingot]

theres a bunch of bugs fixed and most likely even more that just never surfaced

[ocean spindle]

games are hard

[tardy ingot]

if we remove desync bugs the game seems far less buggs immediatly

[ocean spindle]

coding is hard

[craggy pier]

soloing is hard

[ocean spindle]

yeah c:

[dry pumice]

R7D1 is unacceptable

Do something

YOu know what, fuck it

Make R7D1 alt. Only that level.

[ocean spindle]

u ok?

[dry pumice]

I'm not

[ocean spindle]

pat

[dry pumice]

I still have ptsd from that one corner of the map when you do the scan to unlock overload and if you look at one specific corner of the room your FPS dips into single digits

That is unacceptable

I don't know what it is loading, but it should stop doing that

[ocean spindle]

is loadin the void

[craggy pier]

what does HEL stand for

[ocean spindle]

they r gas guns that overpenetrate various enemeies dependin on the weapon

which means u can hit 2 3 enemies with one shot

[craggy pier]

Yes I know

But why are they called HEL

What does HEL mean

[civic wave]

i think hybrid electrothermal

it probably says on the weapon text

[cold quarry]

Hthe Ebullets Lgothroughpeople

[craggy pier]

Yeah, i use HEL

H elpme
E verythinghurts
L

[soft crater]

Hackett Eats Lead

[cold quarry]

true and real

oppress the irish

[craggy pier]

Has the warden tried nuking the biomass

It is theorised the goal is to eliminate it right

[dry pumice]

uh

[craggy pier]

Nukes could work

[dry pumice]

bit doubt on that

[craggy pier]

Which part

[dry pumice]

The current running theory that Warden is an alien construct that was specifically designed to hijack BIOCOM - the original AI that was handling the facility.

[ocean spindle]

no, no i dont think so

[dry pumice]

We have no idea what its' endgame is, but its clearly not saving humanity because for all intends and purposes humanity is already gone.

[craggy pier]

That's a lame goal

Like ok it takes over

[ocean spindle]

the warden cares shit about enemies, only the ones in the path like r2b1

[craggy pier]

Then what

[ocean spindle]

does its thing

idk whats its thing

but somethin

[craggy pier]

So the entire campaign literally is the warden trying to take over biocom

[dry pumice]

it has an endgame, we just have no idea what

[cold quarry]

i figured the goal with the babies and shit was to somehow create a cure via stem cell blah blah

[dry pumice]

Personally i think its trying to save its' creators

Because there's a third party in all this shit

Humans, Sleepers and someone else

Warden plays for the latter team

[craggy pier]

Allens

[ocean spindle]

probs a better question to #gtfo-lore

[cold quarry]

the real question is, do the devs know what warden's purpose is

[dry pumice]

The lead writer probably does

i fucking hope so

[ocean spindle]

i doubt it is like fnaf where the story just, creates when fnaf 4 and fnaf5

i would guess they have like a, script with vague ideas they go along with and like

develop em

[inland marten]

when you're at the rundown menu what does the Completed: [1,-,-,-] mean?

[halcyon mango]

It’s just a counter for how many times you’ve completed a stage + its additional objectives (secondary, overload, prisoner efficiency). So if you did a stage with its secondary, you’d get [1,1,0,0]. Not every stage has additional objectives though, so a lot of stages will just increment the first number

[inland marten]

ah ok makes sense, thanks!

[next socket]

In R4D2 do y'all go for the fog turbine (non double scan)

[dry pumice]

That's the one where you have to keep doing progressively longer security scans while fog rises?
In my initial attempts teams tried to go for The Turbine, but kept wiping on last scans anyway.
My successful run squad skipped the turbine and we just took the Green L when going back for the overload objective.

[cold quarry]

yes, cause it removes any sort of time crunch

[tender jasper]

Me and my friend need help with this rundown R1B1 just need two more here is the lobby 109775243243200776

[next socket]

We didn't and we managed to pull it off

But in hindsight we definitely should've

[spark pond]

lobby code does not work

[ocean spindle]

.t lfg

[uneven gulch]

Hello! If you are unaware, we have Looking For Group (LFG) channels to help users group up and play the game. They are located here: #lfg-north-america / #lfg-latin-america / #lfg-eastern-europe / #lfg-western-europe / #lfg-asia / #lfg-oceania / #lfg-africa / #lfg-beginners.

If you are unsure of how to create or join a lobby, please see the instructions here: #how-to-matchmake.

[tender jasper]

try again if possible

[ocean spindle]

sometimes lobby code changes

so send it again to em in dms

just in case

[tender jasper]

ok

[spark pond]

yes it might have changed

[tender jasper]

109775243246088162

Ty

[silver fable]

last time I paid attention to the lore nerds, they were reading or listening to a log in one of the alt levels what seemed to indicate that the warden is trying to cure the virus, and schaeffer and the prisoners trying to reprogram the warden and gtfo are basically ironically foiling that attempt because they're stupid

[silver fable]

hybrid electrothermal light-gas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-gas_gun#Hybrid_electrothermal_light-gas_gun

[tender jasper]

109775243246088162 just one more with love R1B1 👍

[tender jasper]

Hey slendi you still down👍

[ocean spindle]

i cant plat, but u can find people in the LFG channels

[ocean spindle]

.

[tender jasper]

sure thank you

[fierce nebula]

cough cough if you play modded.. cough

[soft crater]

[neon gust]

average gtfo player trying to avoid gtfo things

[fringe void]

any tips on beating r2b1 with two bots in your team

[cold quarry]

tool loadout can make or break that

what tools you running

[fierce nebula]

only shitgun sentry

[summer matrix]

Im considering changing from using sniper to hel rifle just for a change

Can hel rifle kill giants?

I've been using sniper exclusively for giants

[cold quarry]

you dare sully it's good name.

[cold quarry]

yes, it does pump shotgun levels of damage

it's incredibly satisfying if two giants are lined up facing away, as you get two giant kills for two rounds in their backs

[summer matrix]

[unkempt matrix]

On R5D1 there's a door pretty much on the beginning of the level to your left. You can't open it unless you do the reactor or so. What is the door good for?

I think it was zone 73?

or 72?

There's no reason to go into that room when you can simply go for extract

[fierce walrus]

i think it has a lore log and thats all

[unkempt matrix]

tyty

[bold epoch]

i just wonder if the game still update new content or not? I found the last roadmap post in /r/GTFO is old

[latent obsidian]

they've been re-releasing old rundowns about once every 3 months, they have one more of those to do and then a brand new rundown 8 afterwards

Alt rundown 6 is due in the next couple months

[bold epoch]

so after old rundown 6 they will release new rundown ?

does it come with new weapon too?

[fierce walrus]

no one knows

[craggy pier]

But rundown 8 is the last one right

[fierce walrus]

we also dont know

[placid ember]

the thing is, hel rifle is not an alternative to the sniper rifle
it's precision multiplier is abysmal and kind of a waste to use it against giants

its good for chargers, scouts and flyers
nothing else really

[craggy pier]

can i search for specific equipment like cfoam or lock melters

[placid ember]

unfortunately no

you can search pretty much anything that are not those small consumeables

[craggy pier]

god damn it

i found a cfoam nade somewhere but forgot where it was

doing the funny first level solo again

i have 3 fucken cfoam and a mine

[placid ember]

why are you doing it solo anyway? XD

[craggy pier]

i just wanna beat it

[placid ember]

fair enough XD

[craggy pier]

wish i could manually save

here comes the class 4 alarm

and dead i am

oh well

i did get through the 3 tiers of the alarm though

died on the 4th

[craggy pier]

Is not closing a door a good idea if you do not have mines or a sentry to kill them when they're banging

if you close it, they all collect at the door and enter at once

if you don't close it, they start entering sooner, but seperated

they trickle in instead of the entire group going in

does that make sense?

[dry pumice]

It does, yes

[craggy pier]

so is this a good idea

[dry pumice]

I dont know... I don't think i can solo fight an entire alarm wave either way.

Maybe if your sentry spot is very good so it trickles them down real good.

Wait, actually.

Have you considered shotgun sentry?

[craggy pier]

i have not

i run burst because i've heard people say that it is the best one

[dry pumice]

Since you're alone and all tool refill belongs to you - that fixes the one issue that thing has which is it eats ammo like mad.

[craggy pier]

hm ok

[dry pumice]

Shotgun sentry is actually a very mean little thing

So if you place it well it can harass waves real good

[craggy pier]

i will defo try that next time, thanks

[dry pumice]

Burst is popular because generally its an all-rounder

Works at any range, doesn't require bio symbiosis to be good

Combo of both damage and stagger

The rest of the sentries are just more radical solutions for specific situations

[craggy pier]

that's the other thing

will the shotgun sentry be ok with a biotracker

[dry pumice]

Sniper can perform very well on maps with gigantic rooms and sightlines for days, auto sentry is a stagger machine and shotgun sentry is a hungry bastard that eats ammo too fast

But since you're true soloing it and all ammo belongs to you anyway... Go on, try it. We're talking R1A1 right?

[craggy pier]

yeah

i very easily fill up on sentry

there's like 9 uses of tool laying around the map

i just hope it doesn't go 100 to 0 in a single wave

[dry pumice]

Yeah, try it. See if it changes anything.

[mossy aurora]

its generally a good idea not to close the door if you dont have a mine, there will be some exceptions though

[craggy pier]

i would assume an exception is when a sentry is set up near the door to kill people behind it

[mossy aurora]

sentry behind a closed door is generally not a good idea as well

[craggy pier]

really?

[mossy aurora]

some examples where you would close a door behind you without mines is if you are using that to reroute (change the enemy pathing to go around a longer way)

or i sometimes close a door to secure a reload, then open afterwards

[craggy pier]

currently how i'm approaching this is
set up sentry behind door
cfoam it
do scan

the sentry can thin them out and give me even more time

[mossy aurora]

you dont have mines?

[craggy pier]

no

i tried mines but they were less useful than a sentry

[mossy aurora]

c foam and sentry dont have the best synergy

[craggy pier]

or they felt like that

[mossy aurora]

2 sentry and leave the door open works better than cfoaming the door and sentry behind

[craggy pier]

so i should just leave the door open and place my sentry in the room?

should i place cfoam on the ground from any nades i find to slow them down?

[mossy aurora]

which map is this for?

[craggy pier]

r1a1

[mossy aurora]

just take 2 burst sentries

[latent obsidian]

they're doing it solo

[mossy aurora]

oh

in that case putting the sentry behind the door can be fine becasuse like you said it will buy you some time to get the first scans back

but the way that sentry helps you in solo is that it thins out the waves so instead of having 10 enemies in your face at once you get smaller groups which are more manageable

its possible though that the timing of the wave spawns is such that by the time your cfoamed door breaks the sentry has killed enough so a new wave spawns so theres a fresh wave all piled up outside the door by the time it breaks which can back fire

[craggy pier]

imagine how cool it would be if we could remove speakers

like with a phillips screwdriver or sum

[dry pumice]

Remove what?

[craggy pier]

the speakers that blair out alarms

just kinda take them down from the walls

[tardy ingot]

Its great for chargers, shooters and scouts. Its good vs giants and decent vs smalls (good if lined up)

[placid ember]

how is it usefull against giants with that precision multiplier

you need like 5 shots

[tardy ingot]

you need 4

and you dont head shot

you just bodyshot

its as good as the pump and choke shotty

but has pen

[tardy ingot]

Its also cuz 1 enemy is enough to break the door at the same speed as 20 enemies

you also miss out on headshots from your sentry if you place it behind a door

[craggy pier]

1. wow
2. why

[tardy ingot]

its not 20 enemies hitting the door but an enemy close to it that wants to get through

[placid ember]

@tardy ingot nah man, our team always has someone with a sniper rifle or burst cannon, so using anything else for giants is just a waste

[tardy ingot]

and since theres a set timer to hits it will do as much with 1 vs 20

[tardy ingot]

eh. I mean sniper rifle is obviously the anti giant choice

[craggy pier]

no i meant for the headshots

why wont the sentry get headshots if it's behind a door

[tardy ingot]

but hel rifle is good vs them and has the advantage of becoming more efficient with a lot of pen

[tardy ingot]

Cuz they aim from behind them?

or where do you place them?

[craggy pier]

perpendicular i would guess

to the left or right

[placid ember]

and since that guy specifically asked for the hel rifle as an alternative to the sniper, i told him no, its not good for killing giants...

[tardy ingot]

its good

sniper is superb

[craggy pier]

but the ammo tho

[ocean spindle]

the real replacement of the snippy
is the machinepistol of course

[placid ember]

pacifist run, just c-foam everything

[dry pumice]

@craggy pier how did shotgun sentry worked out?

[craggy pier]

oh i havent done it yet

i'll let you know what i'm in the mood for some more death and decay

[lone mortar]

Lawless R1A1 speedrun %

[craggy pier]

shotgun sentry seems to be performing a lot worse

[civic wave]

For solo you never take shotgun or auto

[craggy pier]

what about sniper

is that better than burst

[civic wave]

Only ever burst, or sniper in some specific circumstances

[craggy pier]

also can you explain why

[civic wave]

For r1a1, burst sentry is the only sentry

[grand glen]

I think if you don't have biotracker it does meh tbh

[civic wave]

Sniper sentry is slow, but works well on long sightlines and one shots any small enemy

[tardy ingot]

shotgun sentry can work in actual solos (not speedruns)

[grand glen]

Since you true solo I wouldn't use sentries that rely on symbiosis

[civic wave]

So it can be pretty damn good in some levels, others not so much

[grand glen]

Yup!! For R1A1 I don't think it would be great 🤔

[craggy pier]

how low can artifact heat go

and does it go back up

[civic wave]

50% for uncleared levels, 20% for cleared levels

Picking up artefacts from other levels will increase the artefact heat of every other level

[craggy pier]

okay

im getting down there

im at 55% now

bro are you serious

i got cucked by my sentry

it shot a giant in the head and i specifically took the konig so i didn't need to deal with giants

but it didn't have a head

[civic wave]

Welcome to sentry targeting

[craggy pier]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-awkward-clap-gif-14391652

[tardy ingot]

soloing with sniper in a level where it isnt absolutely mandatory is not that good anyhow
just take smth like combat shotgun and spray the giant down

[craggy pier]

i hate the fucking things

i can't dodge attacks so they just bonk me

i tried the sniper for one run just in case it was good enough for giant deletion

because they need a lot of attention

[tardy ingot]

stagger them?

[tardy ingot]

8 combat shotty body shots

less when softened by sentry and main gun

[craggy pier]

alright

Do doors have HP or do they break after being hit for X seconds in a row

If a door is getting hit for 4 seconds, then i open it and close it again, does the timer reset or does it keep it's damage

[hidden ridge]

keep

[craggy pier]

Sad.

[dry pumice]

Yeah, it has HP and remembers all the damage forever

Not sure what CFOAM does exactly

Adds an additional different health bar or something

[lone locust]

Gtfo is peer to peer connection, yes?

[dry pumice]

Mostly yes

[floral acorn]

thru steam relay/proxy stuff but yes, p2p networking, mesh instead of master-clients, all intermingle

[lone locust]

Bit of a shame there's no host migration then :s

[dry pumice]

I believe technically there is host migration

But because it usually happens because host... You know... Had a critical failure like having his electricity go out or something - it has nothing to migrate

So it just restarts the level because what else can it do

[lone locust]

I lost connection once and the entire lobby dropped when we were ~80% through

That's not host migration then
if the host in the p2p connection drops out by any means, it'll choose one of the clients to migrate host to in order to keep the lobby up

[dry pumice]

Its bad host migration, but it is what it is

If you actually quit the game normally - it will probably migrate succesfully. Maybe.

Until then... Pray that everything will work.

[lone locust]

That's just.. odd.

[dry pumice]

They should look into how warframe does it

That one is also P2P but host migrations usually work out just fine. Like 70% of cases maybe.

Wonder why... Probably stores the mission progress data somewhere else.

[lone locust]

Granted I dont know the logistics behind how it works, games usually have host migration, or they don't.
usually there's not that much oddity in it aside from it sometimes fucking up and not working

[dry pumice]

Well, i imagine what is happening is that GTFO prepare to migrate the host and asks the OG host: "so uh... what were you doing? how far into the level you got?"
Host's PC: is silent because its dead or disconnected from the internet
GTFO: "Alright, i'll just assume you guys just started because i have no evidence to the contrary. To spawn point you go!"

Ideally it should cross-refference the clients to see what their PCs think of how far they were but i guess its just not a thing here and i have no idea why.

[lone locust]

[tardy ingot]

It works completely fine
It shoots quickly even without bio, its just how you place it. Since you only have 2 alarms with a lot of tool it def works

Basically has higher highs if placed correctly

[grand glen]

The sniper or the shotgun sentry? 😮

[tardy ingot]

Shotgun

sniper sentry is a meme for solos rn unless you very very specifically play around with it

[craggy pier]

how far can a tongue attack reach

i just got like

domed by a giant that was 15 meters away

[fierce walrus]

yeah giant tongues are long

but not verh accurate

[dry pumice]

About 10 meters for small biters
15 for big boys and chargers
And even longer for tanks... Like 20

[craggy pier]

why even bother with projectiles when tongue does the trick

[fierce walrus]

cause hybrids dont need 40 homing tongues to kill you

[tardy ingot]

Cuz you can also dodge tounges (not tank tho unless breaking los)

[craggy pier]

to take care of giants do i need to prioritize limbs

so i stagger them

or just unload on the head and then the torso until they drop

[fierce walrus]

anything works

Just depends on the gun

sniper obv headhsots oneshots them

while most full autos you can just spray their body and they will die at some point

[dry pumice]

I just aim for main body mass

Unless i bring sniper

In which case its head or bust

[tardy ingot]

if you are running a shotgun (or most non sniper guns) just shoot torso

stagger limbs is nice

but you rly can just burst them

[sturdy glen]

Just every non sniper gun

It's never worth

Unless you need a panic limbbreak

[craggy pier]

wait

you can dodge a tongue like how you dodge a missle?

look at this https://youtu.be/rdiYH-pbR9A?t=278

[fierce walrus]

No

you cannot dodge an intercontinental missile

[azure parcel]

Can bots trigger enemies?

[fierce walrus]

But you can dodge a tongue

no

they cannot

they can throw a party with guns

and wont wake up anything

[soft crater]

no

bots sounds is set to zero/false

they simulate walking during enemy sleep but it doesn't matter to them

[tall eagle]

so for someone new like me, what gun combo do yalls recommend? or would you say that it's mostly situational?

[winged turtle]

i have seen Bot Hackett and Bot Bishop perform all of Richard Wagner's Ride of The Valkyries while colliding with a scout model, without anything waking up.

[fierce walrus]

and dauda was eating popcorn in the background

[craggy pier]

ar, pdw, carbine
har both machineguns

[tall eagle]

hmmm gotcha

ive tried out the mastaba and i found that i really like the high dmg one shot, but i always worry whenever using autos due to the limited ammo

[tardy ingot]

For beginners (due to being decent to good and easy to get impact with:

Main: carbine, pistol
Special: combat shotty, shotgun, heavy ar, high caliber pistol

[soft crater]

pistol fires above it's reticle if you rapid fire it iirc

in ads that is

[tall eagle]

i tried using the DMR from the main category and the sight is so foggy

[soft crater]

you either can use the DMR

or you hate it

most people hate the T sight

[lone locust]

The T sight always makes me miss my first shot before i remember how the reticle works.

[tall eagle]

it's alright, just kinda wish that it's a red dot or a more close range sight despite being a DMR

[soft crater]

DMR has the best range out of all the main weapons

50m range

by a huge margin

aside from a select few others having 20-25m range

Majority of the main weapons effectively having 10m or less range before damage fall off

[tall eagle]

the only thing i have going for me is my aim but that's kinda out the window due to the low vision kek

i still really liked the mastaba tho

feels like a canon

[soft crater]

It's strong if you can consistently hit headshots on the normal mobs

strikers/shooters

[tall eagle]

i can as long as i can see them yea

i dont have much hours in this game so i haven't fully adapted yet

[winged turtle]

the sight is kinda why i love rifle rifle

[jaunty tapir]

I really like the Hanaway double tap rifle

That plus revolver are my basic go to

[craggy pier]

how good/bad is an idea to heal mid combat

[cinder lance]

i tried that set up a few days ago actually

revolver pretty awesome. like a cooler dmr but with more falloff

and the double tap rifle was ole reliable. semi meh on giants though so i swapped back to sniper

[cinder lance]

depends on the scenario and your position

[craggy pier]

you have a moment of downtime (1 second) before the next guy comes to you

[cinder lance]

must be mr. worldwide. it just depends if you think you can get it off and if ur team is holding up well. judgement calls n such

meanwhile, anyone know friendly fire values for guns? 👀

[ocean spindle]

think its base dmg od the gun x2
so like snipy does 40, so its 80 friendly fire

n so on

[craggy pier]

jesus christ

what about headshots

[ocean spindle]

usually is better to hold to the heal and use it if ur gonna run away
otherwise some fuy might just like, come, lick u, now u lost that medi

also headshots dont apply on friendly fire

[cinder lance]

cool beans

i got smacked with a shotgun (forgor what kind) and was taken 60%. good to see sniper may potentially win

[ocean spindle]

depends it shoots slower than a chokemod :3

so u might gget killeds

[cinder lance]

not if i killslss first

[ocean spindle]

dies

[winged turtle]

generally you want to keep shooting during combat, keep up damage while you are under pressure. and leave the med uses for quiet/kiting/down time

[past mesa]

Not going down is pretty good in this game

[compact junco]

im curious, in rundown 7 monster wasnt that where they introduced the snatcher? made a big deal out of it with schaffer remarking on it? now that its introduced in rundown 5 whats the point of schaffer introducing it like its new in rundown 7? are they gonna remake rundown 7 too?

[soft crater]

gamedevhard

[pearl sandal]

asking the hardest questions

[craggy pier]

its an alternate rundown

things are different in this universe/reality

[compact junco]

huh? so like each rundown is a different dimension?

[pearl sandal]

azert i think you are confusing him more

and me

[craggy pier]

its true

[compact junco]

wait so the alt rundowns, they are a remake, so they plan to remake rundown 7?

[craggy pier]

the main timeline old rundowns 1-8
ALT are a different timelime

[compact junco]

cause arent they doing ALT rundowns 1 to 8? and isnt each rundown a big continuation of the story?

[craggy pier]

7 and 8 wont get remake

7-8 are continuation of the original 6 rundowns

[compact junco]

whattt oh no

but rundown 8 isnt in the game? so when they add it will it be the original or an ALT remake

tbh i think itd just be better to remake rundown 7 like previous rundowns and make each rundown a continuation of story instead of alternate timeline or smt

[craggy pier]

r8 will be released after ALT r6

[craggy pier]

r8 original

[compact junco]

oh

shame

ik they want to start on their new game but itd be nice to gtfo to be wrapped up in a nice lil package

[craggy pier]

r8 is the supposed finale

it'll put the story to an end in a gruesome/wholesome way prolly the former

[compact junco]

i mean i do want an ending, just one that makes sense with the other 6 rundowns? idk

story is already confusing as it is haha

[craggy pier]

there shouldnt be a huge difference between original and ALT

[craggy pier]

its better that way

figure out the story on your own and make your own conclusions that are probably wrong 🤐

[compact junco]

i dont mind the story bein a lil confusing and open to mystery and debate but having 2 stories just is a kick in the balls lol

[craggy pier]

the original story is still accessible with "other" means

[compact junco]

mods

idk i just feel like its unnecessarily messy, like tie up loose ends, lable evreything rundown instead of ALT rundown, then it all works together and its not messy?

[hazy crater]

It ends with it all being just a dream there was no mass extinction event no tang no nothing

[vague bridge]

real life is confusing and messy

[compact junco]

but its just the one story 😂

[vague bridge]

which

[hazy crater]

The wardens

[compact junco]

Real life is one story?

[vague bridge]

theyre both one story

no matter how complex

[mossy mist]

What is the absolute worst weapon by far?

[dry pumice]

Good question

Its either Bullpup or Precision Rifle, i don't think other guns can compete with them

[hidden ridge]

I can think of cases where PR is more than usable

[dry pumice]

like Heavy SMG is utterly inferior to PDW, but it still reliable somewhat

[hidden ridge]

Like R4E1 Extreme if you dont want to take 2 bios

[dry pumice]

Both BP and PR suffer from the same issue: too long a reload with too little to show for it

[mossy mist]

Isn’t precision rifle more used for giants tho?

[dry pumice]

One shoots 40 low caliber bullets that can barely kill 3-4 biters before you have to reload and expose yourself...
And PR is basically worthless against anything that isn't a small or a shadow

[hidden ridge]

no

[mossy mist]

Isn’t that like, it’s one main use?

[dry pumice]

Absolutely not

[hidden ridge]

It's usage is the thermal scope

And popping smalls heads

[dry pumice]

Precision Rifle is the one with a thermal

[hidden ridge]

So combine that with shadows and relatively long corridor and you get a killing machine for small shadows

[dry pumice]

It has very high precision bonus and oneshots all forms of smalls AND scouts in a single shot headshot

Unfortunately it is utterly worthless against anything else

It only deals 11 raw damage which means 2 bodyshots for biters and 3 for shooters / chargers

The last part in particular hurts because chargers, as you may know, do not have a head weakness

So you always kill them in 3 shots... With a mag of 8... That reloads for like 2.5 seconds

[mossy mist]

They’re only weak in the back, right?

[dry pumice]

Yeah

And frankly even then

If you want to massacre smalls - use literally anything else

[mossy mist]

Also, I’ve seen a bit of confusion over this, but are scouts vulnerable in the head all the same, or just the back if the head?

[dry pumice]

Even HCP is sort of better in that because you can stop aiming for heads and just be a lazy bastard

PR's usage is so specific that you barely have an excuse to bring it to like... 4 levels total

But i think i'd still say BP is the worst gun in the game

The reload time is just not fucking worth whatever that gun is trying to say

And i honestly not sure what exactly is it selling

0 recoil and laser precision when ADSing? No one cares.

Somewhat decent damage fall off range? Just use Drekker 556 Rifle

Somewhat nice precision bonus? Against who?

[hidden ridge]

It kind of depends

[dry pumice]

My best good word for it is that i love kiling shooters with it

[hidden ridge]

But yeah I struggle to see a situation where I'd take BP

[dry pumice]

But other than that... Nah. Not worth it.

Until they either speed up reload speed by a solid half of a second or buff mag size to like 55 at least - its just not it.

Just use Vanilla Assault RIfle instead, its so much more reliable

[mossy mist]

But what about the scouts question?

[dry pumice]

Normal scouts are basically just slightly beefed up shooters. Their heads are very weak.

However there is another version of scout that does not have the head weakness.

[hidden ridge]

IIRC They have a special multiplier for hs

[mossy mist]

So it doesn’t matter if you hit them in the back side or front of their head?

[dry pumice]

They are... Quite the assholes.

It does.

You combine both to make sure.

headshot damage combines with backstab damage

[mossy mist]

Ah

[hidden ridge]

If what you're asking is "Is there a circumstance where I can occiput a scout but not front hs?" The answer is yes

[dry pumice]

There is just a select few enemy types who do not have a head weakness

[hidden ridge]

You can BP occiput a scout

[dry pumice]

All 3 of them

[hidden ridge]

for example

[mossy mist]

BP? Occiput???

[hidden ridge]

There's a video around but yes

[dry pumice]

Occiput is what we call hitting enemies to the back of the head

[hidden ridge]

crazy RoF and you need occiput from relatively close

[dry pumice]

(to clarify: NOT AIMING for the back of the head... But aiming for the head while standing behind them)

Its the single best way to maximise your damage

[mossy mist]

Ah

If you use a knife will you just not be able to kill a scout regardless?

[dry pumice]

You can... With a perfect occi

same for bat

Hammer and spear don't care, they have enough damage to just pop the head with a full charge either way

[mossy mist]

Which would be the easiest to kill scout, spear?

Ah, okay

[dry pumice]

Eh, basically both

Spear has a more reliable hitbox and if you get lucky - you can pop the thing while standing on top of it on some stairs or boxes or whatever, because range.

[mossy mist]

The more I think about it, the more spear seems to be the, if not the second best melee

[dry pumice]

Yeah, unfortunatelly have to crush your dreams on that.

Spear is literally the worst.

Because hammer exists and basically outperforms it everywhere where it matters.

[mossy mist]

It’s saved my ass more than a couple of times tho

[dry pumice]

Hammer can save it more

[hidden ridge]

Hammer, really

Is there an enemy near the scout? No? Charge, Run, Jump before bonking

[mossy mist]

I just really like the range of the spear

Makes everything easier tbh

[hidden ridge]

Works 100% unless there's something above the scout like a steel beam (you end up hitting that because hammer is arc and hitscan)

Or you have HUGE desync

[dry pumice]

STRENGTHS

• Slightly bigger reach
• Reliable thrusting hitbox
• Approx +13,75% extra damage on headshots (perfect Headshot Backstab on Giant = 68,25 vs 60 of a Hammer).
  (doesn't actual matter in practice)

WEAKNESSES

• +2.0 Quick Stab Damage vs Hammer’s +3.0;
  Spear kills biters in 10 quick stabs while Hammer does it in 7 and stunlocks them while at it;
• +17,5 Full Charge Damage vs Hammer’s +20;
  This means that a failed headshot requires you to stab the thing 2 more times to kill, while Hammer just smacks it once with a drooling face and kills it outright.
• Cannot sprint while charging. That's a big one. You lose a lot of tactical utility and ability to control the flow of the fight with that;

[mellow gyro]

what fov do you guys recommend?

[mossy mist]

a l l

[dry pumice]

I play at 75, as any other video game

below that is too claustrophobic and above that is too reminiscent of consuming drugs

[mellow gyro]

I'll try on 75

[dry pumice]

Sometimes i might bump it to 80, but that's it

[jaunty tapir]

Max it out and you see everything

[mellow gyro]

max fov makes you become the warden

[past mesa]

Pls

Go to 90 at least

[cold quarry]

57 fov chad 💪

[soft crater]

I run 100

The only vets FoV I know of is Rayalots who uses 75

[next socket]

How come R4E1 has a higher survival rate than R2E1 when it's considered to be so much more difficult?

[ocean spindle]

well r2 was pretty early on gtfos life, and the playerbase had 4 rundowns of practice to get to r4e1. plus if u were good u could jump right to it

R2E1 had the warden restriction thing

[next socket]

Makes sense

[jaunty tapir]

warden restriction thing?

[gilded jolt]

r2d2 and r2e1 were locked behind a warden restriction when r2 originally released

iirc people had to like beat previous levels a certain amount of times to unlock them?

[jaunty tapir]

weird

[gilded jolt]

yeah they never really did it again

[jaunty tapir]

i was wondering why i have seen a few people mentioning clear amounts for particular levels

[lone mortar]

Max

I would do any D2 mission

But not R2D2

I hate it so much

[soft crater]

Fisheye effect be like

[lone mortar]

Not that

I put on max FOV and go bed

[bold atlas]

Next rundown wen >::D

[slim pebble]

Have 10Chambers confirmed if there will be achievements added at some point? Enjoying the game, but it has very little on the 'progression' side of things..., finishing expeditions, get a random apparel, rinse and repeat

[gilded jolt]

it's technically on the backlog of the roadmap but honestly I doubt they will add them

[slim pebble]

Well, at least they have it somewhere

Shame they haven't explored further ideas to have progression, beating expeditions and completing rundowns feels a tad lacking without any furhter impact on something else

[gilded jolt]

yeah gear progression stuff was planned but unless r8 is some huge mega update, I doubt that will be added

[slim pebble]

Are there any dates thrown around for R8? Or even ALT-R6?

[tardy ingot]

Was progression actually ever planned?
I think customization was

[slim pebble]

Stats per weapon, per mission, etc., anything would be great to increase replayability

[gilded jolt]

ik gear progression had been atleast on the roadmap's backlog for ages

[tardy ingot]

Also progression would kinda suck, current vibe of failing and struggling on the first level with the same loadout you breeze through the hardest is a draw to the game

[tardy ingot]

hmm seems to be true

But its honestly one of the things that would be kinda meh

[slim pebble]

At this point in time, found as long as you have 4 guys, you beat levels, when it does get harder?

[gilded jolt]

oooh boy

how far have you gotten exactly

[slim pebble]

failed ALT-R1A1, then R7A1, trying with 2 or 3 squad members, then try being 2 + 2 bots, and beat ALT-R1A1, R7A1, R7B1, games started to feel like a tower defense, stealth being way optional

[tardy ingot]

you playing with friends or lfg?

[slim pebble]

at least other 2 expeditions have beaten too, can't recall right now

[tardy ingot]

r7b1 aside those are all the easy easy easy missions

[slim pebble]

friend

[slim pebble]

they certainly feel like it, once you get 4 prisoners

where do you reckon it's the first difficulty jump?

seen videos about "6 hours to complete a mission", and I'm like, really? Where these guys even trying...?

[gilded jolt]

chronologically progressing I would say r2 is a lot harder than r1 atleast

im pretty shit though so idk really bro

[tardy ingot]

jumping around is the easy path tbf

[slim pebble]

jumping around you mean doing all As and Bs?

[tardy ingot]

since you get more experience doing a lot of easy levels

vs jumping from r1a1 to b1/b2 to c1/c2 etc

[slim pebble]

I see, so you reckon going for the full rundown it's where difficulty is at?

[tardy ingot]

Yes

Its the smart way if you dont wanna get stuck on stuff

[gilded jolt]

yeah

[tardy ingot]

its moreso that rundowns get more difficult deeper in

R1 is still very very easy but say r2d1 is roughly 20 times harder than any of the levels you talked about

altho

6 hours is extreme af

[gilded jolt]

r1 still aint all that hard but r2 at the very least will probably give you some struggle if you go chronologically

[tardy ingot]

2 1/2 is honestly the limit for the longest levels if you play super safe and slowish

And hey if its too easy later on, then just start speedrunning

[slim pebble]

does it make sense to try levels with only 2 players? I mean, clearly they get super hard and slow, but maybe it's borderline impossible?

[gilded jolt]

I think pretty much everything has been done solo

[slim pebble]

is there like a ladder for completion times, etc.?

[gilded jolt]

so it is definitely possible for duo

much much harder though ofc

[slim pebble]

OK, but is it like actual difficulty, or just trying to play the game blindfolded, in regards that's something only recommended for very experienced players

[tardy ingot]

Speedrun.com yes

ingame? No

[tardy ingot]

with a bit of cheese and glitches yea

[gilded jolt]

I would say actual difficulty ig? dunno if I understand the question though

[tardy ingot]

solo is generally hard vet stuff, most early levels can be done solo by even newish/average players tho

[slim pebble]

yes, that's my point, due read somewhere the game wasn't designed for anything other than full squads

[tardy ingot]

duo everything is doable but obviously a lot harder (good to get better with tho)

[gilded jolt]

it's not

it is designed and scaled around a 4 player team

[slim pebble]

what a shame

[gilded jolt]

can be done with less ofc but you are still up against the same challenges as a 4 player team

[slim pebble]

feel the game has a lot of potential but actually discourage players to get hooked, unless they are into difficulty for the sake of difficulty in a way..., maybe too newbie to know, but that's my first impression

[tardy ingot]

Also man now i wish that we have smth that shows you your fastest clear time ingame for each lvl :c

[tardy ingot]

duo gameplay is still very fair

theres no mechanic that cant be done by 2

theres 1 that technically needs 2 but due to rng can barely be done by 1 if you grind it enough

[slim pebble]

good to know, thanks

[tardy ingot]

Also dont forget
You barely scratched the surface of the game

R7B1 (of the ones you talked about) is probably the most interesting one and its usually quite forgotton aside from its biome

[halcyon mango]

Working with three others to clear a challenge is what makes this game special for me

[slim pebble]

sure, aware of that, just trying to gauge when the thing gets more interesting, for now feels like an early access, I don't know

[halcyon mango]

“Work together, or die together”

[halcyon mango]

I mean, normal gameplay loop is generally the same across all, and more difficult levels change things up a bit with special enemies, alarms, environments, etc.

So it’s definitely fine if you don’t like it

I can see it getting boring if you dont dig all the stealth and tip toeing

[slim pebble]

Initially thought that was the 'core gameplay', but then found you can actually shoot around and if you land your headshots, it just works

[halcyon mango]

Yeah, anything to gtfo

[slim pebble]

So it made the stealth (which means slow gameplay) felt silly in a way

Cause in both scenarios you can fail, but at least in one of them you get some action

[halcyon mango]

You can make stealth go a lot faster once you get the hang of it

Game does incentivize patience and efficiency

[gilded jolt]

eh a lot of the harder levels are more resource scarce to the point of stealth being quite important

[slim pebble]

Isn't stealth just getting closer to a sleeper and hitting in the back of the head?

[gilded jolt]

yeah pretty much

[halcyon mango]

Yeah, perfectly fine if you dont dig the stealth aspect

[slim pebble]

that's a good reason to be stealth, nice

[halcyon mango]

Yeah, at first you’re inching while crouched, and once you’re more experienced you can basically just run around the room and smack everything before they fully wakeup

[slim pebble]

noticed that too, first 6 scouts were all the tension until our sniper got the headshot, now it's running towards it to smack their head with my hammer

[halcyon mango]

It’d just be masochistic tbh if it was single player. But the coop aspect just makes it infinitely more fun and rewarding for me.

[slim pebble]

yes, guess that's why even ingame you are advised to find groups in Discord

otherwise it might be a quick refund for a new solo player

[halcyon mango]

Playing alone does emphasize the horror aspect a bit more though 🙃

[tardy ingot]

Its definetly doable in many levels if good enough. But those levels you started on are quite litteraly mostly tutorials for their rundowns

[cold quarry]

Do the "is close to enemy" +damage boosters ONLY apply to the enemies close by, or as long as one is close, the damage is buffed for all?

[jaunty tapir]

I got bodied by this game three different times and stopped playing it for a long time. Tried it again recently and messed around in solo and im clearing some levels alone with bots just fine.

[hidden ridge]

AFAIK everyone

As along as one enemy is close

[cold quarry]

Very good...

Time to make the hel shotgun even more disgusting

[hidden ridge]

After all it says "Must be within 5 meters of an enemy"

[cold quarry]

True but gtfo's wording can be fucky

[hidden ridge]

Otherwise it'd said of "the enemy"

[hidden ridge]

One day I'll try the italian translation again to laugh every 5 seconds

[cold quarry]

I can only imagine

[hidden ridge]

Rundown is translated with a word that is more akin to "Patrolling/Patrol/Inspection"

"Burst Rifle"= "Fucile a raffica ottico"="Optical burst rifle"

Surprised they didnt translate "Revolver" as "Rivoltella"

"Combat Shotgun"="Canna Liscia da Combattimento"="Combat smooth barrel"

PR and Sniper have the same name

Sniper ftr should be "Fucile da Cecchino"

[craggy pier]

any advice for clearing rooms without a tracker and without taking like 30 minutes

i have trouble spotting the sleepy boys

[gilded jolt]

long range flashlight works every time

run around with it on and you will easily spot them all

[craggy pier]

also how does sleepers waking up from a hit work

i thought only one can be alerted if you hit someone

but 2 just woke up

[soft crater]

If they're too close. = wake up
If they're pulsing/glowing. Their detection range is increased.

The ones you aren't hitting that is.

[craggy pier]

also does the hel revolver not one shot headshot small guys

[soft crater]

No

[craggy pier]

very sad

i thought it did

[soft crater]

You need a damage booster to be able to do that

And well
Strikers is a headshot + body shot.
Shooters is the same iirc

[tardy ingot]

theres no decently ranged main that 1 shots strikers

actually

dtr

[craggy pier]

doesnt the pistol also headshot and bodyshot them

[tardy ingot]

but thats incredibly hard to do consistently

[tardy ingot]

hs + 2 bs

[craggy pier]

oh

[civic wave]

The pistol can headshot into 2 bodyshots

[soft crater]

Unless you wanna be like that one guy with the range falloff headshot and then a within range headshot

[civic wave]

Or if you play around damage falloff to keep the head intact, you can headshot them twice but noone does that

[soft crater]

[tardy ingot]

You mean badger alt nr 25?

[jaunty tapir]

Simply use spec revolver. All hail spec revolver.

[tardy ingot]

But yea it can obviously 2 hs and 1 bs if at specific range aswell

[soft crater]

2 hs kill on striker

[tardy ingot]

sry let me edit, my bad

wasnt clear enough

on what i meant

[soft crater]

It's ok

[tardy ingot]

im gonna go do death% as punishment after food

[soft crater]

The guy who brought up the double headshot striker pistol thing to me initially*

Called me bad for not actually playing the game not understanding his explanations

[tardy ingot]

you mean badger alt nr 25*

[craggy pier]

skill issue

/s

[tardy ingot]

/no s

[craggy pier]

/got your no s(e)

[soft crater]

Sorry took me a minute to understand that

[sacred shore]

quick question, and i know gtfo doesn't support modding, but i was just wondering if using an fov increasing mod might open the door to me being banned in some capacity? ty

[craggy pier]

you can play modded just not in here

[sacred shore]

Ok, fair. So if I joined a group game in this server with an fov increasing mod that would not be allowed? Sry just clarifying, tired

[craggy pier]

yes not allowed

[tardy ingot]

Also why a fov increasing one?

[craggy pier]

i guess people like to see everything

[tardy ingot]

max fov is already crazy fish eye unless you have a monitor the length of a football field like @tepid sand

[tardy ingot]

360 degree view

[craggy pier]

bio player's wet dream

[sacred shore]

Ty

Gotta see EVERYTHING

https://tenor.com/view/todo-everything-woody-toy-story-gif-5848421

[mellow gyro]

how do you kill the big females?

[placid ember]

smack em

alot

they are not dangerous

[mellow gyro]

I charge a spear to the head and deals like low damage

[civic wave]

If you're talking about big shooters, you just want to try hit them in the head enough

[placid ember]

its like 3-4 fully charged attack usually

[civic wave]

Like all big enemies they have a fair amount of hp, especially if you're not hitting the head/back of head

[mellow gyro]

so I smack them like its a piñata

got it

[placid ember]

and most importantly

call em chickens

[mellow gyro]

hahahaha

thanks

[vague bridge]

where can i find the session log

[floral acorn]

%appdata% locallow 10chambers gtfo

quit game to write it out fully

[soft crater]

Uninstall gtfo > Remove from Library

[spark wolf]

dont check the logs

its not worth it

[soft crater]

I checked the logs. I somehow ended up in the backrooms

Send help

Send Dudes

[craggy pier]

when did big shooters getting called chickens begin?

[winged turtle]

in the beginning...

[placid ember]

its the first alias for them that is listed on the wiki aswell :D

[craggy pier]

yea but why are they called chickens

[placid ember]

they look like chickens

[whole grove]

How effective is the burst sentry against babies from their mother compared to the auto sentry?

[dry pumice]

Honesly never see sentry-on-child action

I assume it kinda performs worse? Best case scenario: it kills 1 baby with every burst... Not very good considering how many of them there are, but its something.

But then again i have my doubts how quickl auto kill them too

How many HP do they have?

Like 10?

Auto deals 0,7 DMG per bullet so 100/7 = 15 bullets, maybe 12 if headshot damage is alright

That honestly doesn't sound right...

5 HP!

Alright, that makes it more reasonable

~5 bullets per baby provided it hits the head a couple of times

[tardy ingot]

Artek with the beautiful number theories :p

cant forget babies having gigantic heads

[dry pumice]

I honestly don't know. Numbers don't say much here. It needs in-the-field testing.

What would be the quickest mother to find and dunk on?

[vagrant current]

Personally speaking, Ive always used burst sentry on the babies from a mother. TBF it's been 2 burst at a time. Worked fine. Blows through ammo. Just kill the mother fast and it should be ok.

[craggy pier]

A 6 pack of caprisun (disinfect) has been sent

Stay alive, help is on the way

[craggy pier]

R4c2

Z112 or z113

The one that has an alarm

Behind it a mother in room C or D

[tardy ingot]

the actual practical answer

is wait for r6

[craggy pier]

But when 😭

[civic wave]

I feel like I'd rather go r5a2 than r4c2 for mothers/children

[dry pumice]

R5A2 was the one i was thinking of, but probably takes way too long to get there

Even if going guns blazing

[civic wave]

hm maybe

r5a2 is alarm, blood door for key, then another alarm, picking up cargo, opening ovl

r4c2 is 2 alarms

[dry pumice]

Is that the red room with low fog?

Or am i thinking of something else?

[craggy pier]

R3b2?

[dry pumice]

Probably

[civic wave]

r4c2 is the blueish refinery zone with chargers in it

[rancid dune]

What does the M stand for in a class V M alarm?

[soft crater]

Megalov- idk

[dry pumice]

I think it stands for "Mixed"?

[rancid dune]

fdgsfd
TY

[dry pumice]

Usually it signifies that scans will all be different

There will be clusters, team scans, large scans...

Not sure though, alarm language is very oof

[soft crater]

Idk if that includes S scans

[dry pumice]

It doesn't for the most part

"M Alarm
Class M alarm indicates that a mixed set of bioscans must be completed. All previously mentioned alarms may appear during a M alarm."
straight from the wiki

[ocean spindle]

if ur on r2c1

dont worry about it

it doesnt do anythin its a bug

[craggy pier]

It does

[soft crater]

I see

I vaguely recall it

But can't remember where

Or if my memory is just too foggy

[alpine knot]

Just wondering, how smart are the bots if you’re playing by yourself

[ocean spindle]

they r as smart as duos and stuff, but w/o dealin nearly as much team dmg

u just kinda have to manage em more

[alpine knot]

Kk

[civic wave]

off the top of my head I can remember ||r4c3||, ||r5e1||

[soft crater]

Question. should evade be fixed or nah?

[civic wave]

what do you mean by evade

[soft crater]

before stamina

directional dodging

[vagrant current]

you could shift+direction to do a quick dodge

it was barely ever used, but it was possible

[civic wave]

removing movement tech never feels good

[soft crater]

it was used more than you say dr

[civic wave]

it could be used quite a lot actually, very good for repositioning

especially if you're doing something stupid like trying to duo r4e1

[vagrant current]

but it wasnt

not saying it should be removed, just most people ive played with never did it. It was kind of hard to dodge the small strikers. It required a certain timing

it was great for shooters

[soft crater]

you typically only saw experienced/vets use it back then anyhow

[vagrant current]

which isnt most people, according to bell curves and all

[soft crater]

and strikers ngl after some testing isn't that hard without dodge

[vagrant current]

not the debate, but i agree

[soft crater]

and I was regarding if it should be fixed

it's still in the game in a broken state

[vagrant current]

i wish they would expand upon it

[soft crater]

you can still do backwards dodge jumps

[vagrant current]

there has to be a cost though, or else youll just spam dodge

[soft crater]

stamina consumption

rip

[vagrant current]

maybe cant use it if youre heart rate is at a certain level, each dodge increased heart rate. IDK to be fair, just has to be something

I always thought the distance should have been a tad bigger

[soft crater]

eh

it's alright

probably easy if you've managed Vermintide back then

[vagrant current]

im not saying like increase it by a foot, just a tad bigger.

If shooters can have homing missiles I should be able to dodge a couple extra inches

[soft crater]

shooter projectiles are already easy enough to dodge ngl

[vagrant current]

not the point, lol

[soft crater]

I'm saying it's negligble to increase it because they're already so easy to dodge even without the actual dodge

helpful sure. but I wouldn't increase it's range like you say

[vagrant current]

Just a side note, it gets exhausting when talking about games that are known to be "hardcore", because it always turns into "the game isnt that hard"

talking about Dark Sould or Elden Ring, man forget it

[ocean spindle]

dodge was both useless and very helpful

and its very funny

[soft crater]

regardless. My initial question was whether it should be fixed. not buffed

[ocean spindle]

i mean, eh

[soft crater]

if anything it could get the stamina consumption nerf

[vagrant current]

yeah, fix it functionally, and buff it a bit to make it more useful.

Odds are, since it wasnt super popular the devs probably didnt think it was worth fixing it

[ocean spindle]

no, it was just kinda there, i think it only served to like go faster

[soft crater]

they know fully well how well the vets would take advantage of it if it gets buffed the way you want which goes against their anti-kiting with stamina

but if they do buff it

the potential stamina consumption could be higher

[civic wave]

I mean, nothing has stopped kiting

it's not gonna get fixed, it's a shame movement got gutted but eh whatever

devs don't care

[soft crater]

vacations

3 months to make 3 levels

[ocean spindle]

when they took 2 months everythin was broken and there was an invisible wall

so decide

[civic wave]

3 months for 3 levels, 3 more months for the revenues/expenses/income chart

[soft crater]