gtfo-related-questions

[modern ibex]

Running a boost to make my DMR 1 tap smalls would help a lot

[dry pumice]

Bad checkpoints are real, but they're an acceptable collateral damage.

[tardy ingot]

Are you properly looting?

R5D1 is the exception of exceptions

its one of 6 levels that took me 2+ hours on first blind clear (without me or someone being afk)

[tardy ingot]

Boosters b cringy :c

But if it helps it helps i guess

[dry pumice]

Still, average PE clear is like 70-80 minutes, that's still a lot. A brutal DOTA 2 match doesn't last as lomg.

[tardy ingot]

70-80 min
but if you had checkpoints you at minimum waste 40 min aswell

either by wiping before it or after it

[dry pumice]

40ms a lot

[tardy ingot]

the best way to implement checkpoints imo while keeping the general gameplayloop there and have them feel worse than a normal clear

1. no bugs (duh, but hard)
2. limited amount (1-3)
3. no PE clear with it?
4. showing its a checkpoint clear. Smth hardcore for this would be not 100% counting it for unlocking stuff like E tiers

[dry pumice]

The badge of wipe is good enough, punishing people for not wanting to replay the entire level from scratch is too much.

[neon gust]

you can literally take a ss before the icon shows

[lone mortar]

Wait

[neon gust]

also we are not hardcore

we are extreme

[lone mortar]

R7E1 have check points or no?

Don’t remember

[neon gust]

we were hardcore in EA until r4

[lone mortar]

Aight thanks

Imagine check points in E tiers

[tardy ingot]

its actually smth people mald over for r7e1

[lone mortar]

The queen and birther along with charger scouts POV:

[silver fable]

doesn't the icon show before the return to lobby button?

[dry pumice]

Doesn't matter

[silver fable]

granted you could take 2 shots and do some editing, but editing was always on the table

[dry pumice]

Oh right, the lobby button....

Whatever, it doesn't really matter to me.

[craggy pier]

im gon put a fake cp on r2e1

[silver fable]

rayalot had some ideas around checkpoints and boosters a while back that I thought were more-or-less fine

[tardy ingot]

I think limited amount would have to be a thing for healthy checkpoints

[silver fable]

I can't remember all the details, but I think he proposed being able to save checkpoints and something around making boosters more permanent, basically just coddle the novice players, and then please the vets by tracking checkpointless clears or something

I'm not sure that how I feel about kicking a novice team out after n checkpoint resumes

[dry pumice]

Two cps tops for A and B.
One for C and D.
Zero for E (fine).

Each individual cp is limited to 3 uses.
General rule: it must be after major milestone (long stealth sections, alarm scans).

[silver fable]

like I get where you're coming from, 6 hour clears where they resumed the same checkpoint 20 times are pretty awful

[tardy ingot]

having checkpoints be basically save points is ass and divides the game into 2 fields tho

its also that beginners would use checkpoints more often, removing the threat of wiping for them basically

which is a major part of game experience

imagine if dark souls had a difficlfy mode where you could safe in boss fights?

i rly dont mind a checkpoint that is placed well and can be used for like 3 times (which is a lot of trial and error btw).

Say r6c1

[silver fable]

I agree that checkpoints miss the "philosophy" of the game

the quality of the totality of the run ought to matter, there should be stakes to your actions, replaying and improving matters

[tardy ingot]

its why i think limited uses are perfectly fine

it alread helps beginners a ton

see btw that i think those could be introduced into earlier rundowns (if they had no bugs)

[silver fable]

I guess the thing that's gnawing at me is that I don't think a lot of teams are going to magically learn good strats just because checkpoints are less abusable

some will, I guess

[tardy ingot]

it forces them to

[silver fable]

we get some amount of people come through here looking for advice on tools, guns, alarm mechanics, enemies, etc., they tend to walk away with some pretty core knowledge that they'd never get otherwise and they probably get a lot of progress out of it

[tardy ingot]

instead of enabling them to checkpoint for 5 hours or more

[silver fable]

but other crews probably just start doing really degenerate stuff or just quit

[tardy ingot]

i mean theres 3 ways to go about it

1. you try stuff yourself and learn
2. you ask and learn
3. you quit

1 and 2 are fine. 3 is your own fault

[silver fable]

and gtfo is kinda always on the precipice of dead game these days

which is a new player retention issue, not a "the vets were right and 10cc didn't listen" issue

[dry pumice]

Counterpoint: dark souls rarely wipes more than 20m of progress between bonfires and longest boss fight is 15 min tops.

[tardy ingot]

its rly not dead when you can find dozens of dozens of partys online every day

its a niche game

[craggy pier]

yeah i do agree with that

not having a fresh player base puts the game on a choke

[dry pumice]

Its basically bite sized compared to this

[tardy ingot]

Fn, new players that quit due to lack of checkpoints quit cuz game isnt baby easy for them

Adding more checkpoints keeps them for what? 1 more level? Then they quit cuz its hard anyhow

[craggy pier]

i honestly would suggest to remove checkpoints

[dry pumice]

Already done

[tardy ingot]

i also find it interesting considering how many new players join

[craggy pier]

they dont serve people as much as you think it would

[tardy ingot]

i know that a lot of them do the usual of playing it for 10-50 hours then change games

WHICH HAPPENS TO MOST GAMES BTW

[silver fable]

my whole thing has usually been that new players quit because they don't know what to do, and maybe the game teaching them what to do is a higher priority than nerfing checkpoints or whatever

[modern ibex]

Sorry, I was in an expedition. I think I'm properly looting, but there are a ton of rooms that don't have terminals and I occasionally can't find an errant ammo pack here and there

[craggy pier]

yeah it just that people usually want instant gratification in games or just not fan of challenging games

[silver fable]

but a bunch of vets seem to hate the idea of babying noobs through putting mines on doors or whatever

so eh

[craggy pier]

id argue that a challenging games brings more joy than say a casual laid back sim game

[craggy pier]

like clearing rooms with mines?

[silver fable]

like "mine placed on door frame like so kills wave"

it's just one example

but I feel like mainstream games have a tradition of teaching their mechanics in tutorials or tutorialized early game activities, and it does reasonably well

[tardy ingot]

Every zone has a terminal. And theres rly a bunch of loot

Like so much that you would need to use 3-4 ammo packs per zone at least

[tardy ingot]

Handholding yaaaaaaay

[silver fable]

when I watch new players play this game, it feels like their play is less sophisticated than things they would do in other games

[tardy ingot]

Update the flavour text for guns and tools

its garbage

you can add stuff like how to use mines and bio there

[modern ibex]

I didn't know every zone is guaranteed a terminal, that's good to know, thanks! And keep in mind the resources are substantially lowered so many of the zones only have a single or double use ammo pack.

[craggy pier]

the game could use a comprehensive tutorial that actually tells em how basics work and what one should do

[dry pumice]

Good tutorials are not handholding

[tardy ingot]

Oh no. Not every zone has one 100%

But in r3d1 theres one for each zone afair (and even if not, you can just list ressources in other zones)

[tardy ingot]

Good tutorials are usually actual gameplay (see bloodborne)

[modern ibex]

btw D4RK was super cool to see and recognize your name on the speedrun.com board for this game and see your videos linked on guides

[dry pumice]

True

[tardy ingot]

a real tutorial also takes away a bunch of the exploration of mechanics that a lot of people SPECIFICALLY like

[tardy ingot]

Eva*

but thx always glad to hear stuff like that

[silver fable]

this is for sure the pushback I saw a fair bit of last time this topic came up

[modern ibex]

Oh, I see, okay. I think it'll help once I learn the tileset a bit better. this is my first Rundown on any of the Lab stuff so I'm often struggling to find all the boxes, even if I KNOW loot is in there

[silver fable]

apparently for a lot of people their fondest time with this game was when they discovered how a bunch of basic mechanics work, and it's all downhill from there

[modern ibex]

I think if I can dial my shooting in and do an efficient first mother kill I should be able to get through the charger/hybrid tunnel

[craggy pier]

thats a fair point but the basics should be nailed down in a tutorial, not gon expect anyone who did the current one and have a general sense of direction

[tardy ingot]

i feel like the current tutorial does exploration well

Terminal should be expanded upon (like have it mandatory to use a command so a door opens and make it useable for all commands not just ping)

Then add real flavour text with info into menu. BOOM people that can read are winning

[silver fable]

imo the height of my enjoyment of the game is pretty much right now, when I know how the game works and get to use it to create and execute on strong plans

[latent obsidian]

I remember being wowed as the game kept introducing new stuff like the reactor even just through rundown 1

[tardy ingot]

theres 3 stages imo that are awesome

1. wow theres so much to this game im learning. Its so cool to struggle and learn through
2. damn ive learned a lot and can strategize clears well but theres still cool things i can improve
3. im good and can play aggro while executing rly risky but awesome strats (see r5e1 cell skip)

[latent obsidian]

Most fun things for me are:

• Exploring a level for the first time, figuring out what to do and seeing the challenges for the first time
• Making incremental progress on a really hard level (R4E1 was recently very good for this)
• Finally beating a tough level

[silver fable]

imo the vet phase is the most appealing phase of gtfo by far

and if we had to flush the confused noob phase in order to got more people to enjoy the vet phase then that's a good direction for the game to take

[tardy ingot]

Imo thats just the gtfo loop
I was mostly talking about player skill experience

[modern ibex]

Getting just a little bit further each time you try a level, being just a bit more efficient, tickles my brain just the right way

Even if you get iced it feels so fucking good to hit a milestone that killed you on the last attempt and still have resources

[silver fable]

but again, that's just my take, I get that people really value that "figuring things out" phase that's long over for them

[tardy ingot]

Now imagine getting to a checkpoint at 10/10/10 ammo and hp

now you spam that for 10 hours. Fun?!

Checkpoints being unlimited ruins progression feeling in levels for sure

[modern ibex]

I don't get it, is that something that's proposed or what are you arguing for here?

fwiw I've not done any rundowns with checkpoints yet so I can't really opine on them

[tardy ingot]

oh we had a checkpoint discussion going above

[latent obsidian]

I think I enjoyed the game most when I was newer tbh... I'm a bit burned out on it at the moment

[modern ibex]

Ahhhh

[tardy ingot]

And i think your point perfectly shows why checkpoints arent nice for that feeling

[modern ibex]

Well with that being said, many GTFO missions have a tendency of backloading the difficulty, where the hardest parts come at the ends

and it's super frustrating to have 20-30 minutes of mission before you get to the hurdle that you need to try again

[tardy ingot]

Get quicker (and better)

zoom zoom

[modern ibex]

LOL

[tardy ingot]

if ya cant get to that part in X minutes after wiping 3-5 times, then just run faster

[modern ibex]

mfw I can't make the reactor start up quicker (I've told the terminal to simply get better)

[latent obsidian]

what if terminal usage boosters decreased all timers associated with a reactor 😲

[dry pumice]

Oooooooh

Its like bioscan speed but for reactors and uplinks

[tardy ingot]

run there quicker input code on first second

eat the time first if it tries to eat you

[latent obsidian]

Its kinda bad but its also funny

[tardy ingot]

Would be funny af

[modern ibex]

Is this the mystic "logs" they speak of?

[silver fable]

on this, I'd say the game being wrapped up on r8 by a skeleton crew is indicative of a dead game

players think that niche games that are made by actual dev studios with salaries and office space to pay for are possible

I recall industry biz people talking about 10,000 concurrents being a player base you can make money on

it's complicated by the "buy once have everything" model

and 10cc have more recently claimed that they didn't intend this to be a live game

I'll just say I don't buy it

[tardy ingot]

Nah just quick typing

[modern ibex]

Oh LOL. Well I've already mastered the "90 wpm tech" 🤓

[lucid sonnet]

Can someone give me the basic rundown on the strengths and weaknesses of each sentry? (Can't find any videos that explain it well, the wiki just gives the raw stats and generic information, and in game it's tough to tell cause I'm generally focused on other things besides watching them shoot)

[hidden ridge]

-Burst is good all around and doesn't need to be placed in any particular way -Auto staggers a lot but will end up using a lot of ammo for very little damage, IMHO it's good at surge alarms -Sniper depends on where you place it, try to place it in such a way that it doesn't end up missing because another sentry stole its shot, place it in long corridors (obvious) and dont stay in front of them -Shotgun really depends on the situation because it burns through both TOOL and ENEMIES kinda fast, especially with boosters. Shotgun and Sniper sentries take bonus when shooting at biotracked targets (shoot faster, use X bullets every X+1 enemies I cant remember the specifics). Sentries, since R6 release, DO NOT do back damage anymore.

When in doubt, pick Burst

[vague bridge]

oh holy shit they dont back damage

[hidden ridge]

CPU speed on Sentries that aren't sniper IMHO aren't really worth it

[tardy ingot]

Auto sentry and bio boosted shotgun sentry are worth just for the carnage that ensues

[hidden ridge]

I remember a guy with shotgun sentry and cpu speed+ the bio bonus, the sentry was shooting twice per target, effectively wasting a shell 😄

It was hilarious, that's true

[tardy ingot]

twice

more like 5

it can shoot faster than a player refills

[hidden ridge]

lel

[silver fable]

recently wrote up this overview: #gtfo-related-questions message

[cold quarry]

Last time I played access (r5c2 I think? The giant room scan in overload) we set up a shotgun sentry guarding the bulkhead door behind us, and it saved me from a giant charger that was gonna sneak up on me

Literally turned it into paste in like a second

[fallow fox]

Can you get banned from discord for shooting your own teammates and and ruining the game at the end of the level?

[ivory imp]

Did you do that or did someone else

[fallow fox]

someone else

trolled and killed us at the end of level

[ocean spindle]

u still get the completion tho

pretty sure

[jagged shore]

if they very intentionally caused a game over and didn't, say, mean to do it in such a way that you still got the clear and just messed up
then you should probably stop playing with them
if it was the other way around, then i think you need to lighten up

[fallow fox]

wtf? He ruined the game right at the end, no one cleared. This game is full of trolls

[tardy ingot]

„Full of trolls“

hmm

[jagged shore]

wtf are you "wtf"ing
i said if it was intentional and you didn't get a clear then maybe don't play with them again
if you wanna report them to mod contact then go right ahead, trolling kinda sucks yeah
but it's a video game, lighten up a bit

[fallow fox]

not a fun one thats for sure

[sturdy glen]

bokay

[jagged shore]

you should've stopped playing when it stopped being fun

[fallow fox]

game is asss

[dry pumice]

Eh... Maybe. A little bit.

[winged turtle]

why don't you try...
checks notes
something else, somewhere else

maybe take a walk! play Animal Crossing! the world is full of opportunities

[dry pumice]

Isn't that a Nintendo Switch game

...oh right, ther originals were like... Other nintendos.

[sterile citrus]

I do have 1 question about bots. Is there any way to predict or manipulate how the react to giants better? Sometimes they swing with me, other times they insta open fire. Then sometimes they literally just stand there and do nothing and get there ass beat lol.

[dry pumice]

Its range dependant. if they're close - they will attempt to melee. If they're far away (like 10m or something) they will shoot.
The latter... Probably them failing to decide which is which, or being waaaaay to close to make a decision

[sterile citrus]

Awesome, Thanks!

[dry pumice]

Any intheresting special booster breakpoints i should know about? I have like 4 different +10% or more special damage and have no idea what to do with that.

[sterile citrus]

Ya most the time they just get beat they are reallllly close.

[cold quarry]

20% Special makes the high cal one-hit chargers

[dry pumice]

That much i know. Anything else?

[sterile citrus]

What's the main % dmg break point for DMR one shots on strikers?

[cold quarry]

25% would make the shotguns take one less shell to kill giants

[cold quarry]

literally any +main booster

[sterile citrus]

Oh heck ya

[dry pumice]

3% i think, which is literally any of them

[cold quarry]

DMR by default leaves them on 0.1hp I think

[sterile citrus]

lolol wow

[dry pumice]

I guess you could stack special damage to secure charger scout kills on weapons that can just barely do it

How great a pen opportunities or R5 D2 you think?

Reactor waves seemed to be very lazy to me, i don't think i've seen 2 enemies align once.

The hive dropped all their investments into hybrids

[vague bridge]

having an unlucky lfg group doesnt reflect too much on the entire community or the game at all

[sterile citrus]

For R2E1 is the HEL Shotgun viable at all ofr staggering surges as you complete waves? My group is gonna struggle on that one trying to think of anything to help them more besides stacking Bioscan speed.

[dry pumice]

Oh... Wait... I remember now. 10% special damage can revive 20 damage burst cannon.
...
Useless, i can't still aim the thing.

[vague bridge]

i remember it was very useful, especially later on

[dry pumice]

Yes. HEL shotgun is very based for that. You stagger - your teammates kill

[vague bridge]

the tight corridors do some great funnel action

[sterile citrus]

Good good. I usually use it from stagger missions for them. Ill try that out next time

Stack some Bioscan speed as well.

HEL Shotgun saved them on R3C1 lol.

[dry pumice]

Nothing brings me more joy than soloing giants with that thing

[sterile citrus]

I love the weapon I just feel its uses are very niche.

[dry pumice]

Its an S tier last i checked. Just period. Its only downside is range, which is an issue that can be solved with some sprinting

[sterile citrus]

Word, Ill put it to use some more . They can kill everything with thier Carbines. Well PDWs for R2E1. Thermal OP

[turbid sinew]

Is the progression of GTFO unlocking the different levels and cosmetics or are their weapon unlocks from progressing?

[cold quarry]

cosmetic only

[civic wave]

Only cosmetics + being able to host later levels (you can enter any lobby whether or not you have the level unlocked yourself)

[turbid sinew]

will that change later on?

[cold quarry]

weapon customization was planned at one point but its been trashed i think

[turbid sinew]

ig that can help the devs with balancing

but yeah ig it's a sea of thieves progression system

In the future will the weapons be unlocked or?

[cold quarry]

doubt it

games prob not going to have many (if any) new features

[dry pumice]

All weapons are available to you from the start, the only reason to clear levels is cosmetics and bragging rights (optional objectives do not reward anything extra)

[turbid sinew]

yeah that sucks damn

[cold quarry]

cosmetics are random except for completion helmets

[dry pumice]

The core idea is "git gud or die". Weapon choice just allows you to min-max and adapt to levels that give you trouble

[cold quarry]

finishing a rundown entirely gives you a unique headgear

except they also started reskinning those

[craggy pier]

then you get same thing but with colors next RXA1

[turbid sinew]

really learning the state of the game rn...

[cold quarry]

the only good reskins theyve done is the camoflauge dragonscale armor / pants

those go hard as hell

[turbid sinew]

well shit ig I'm playing deep rock or division 2

is there a roadmap for GTFO?

[craggy pier]

can u drop a pic real quick?

[craggy pier]

yes but it has been deserted

[civic wave]

gear progression wasn't really something that would fit into the kind of game that GTFO is

[cold quarry]

yeah 1 sec

[civic wave]

and yeah the roadmap is very outdated

[craggy pier]

much appreciated

[dry pumice]

Technically yes, but its outdated by like a year.
We are to get ALT Rundown 6, a completely new Rundown 8 and after that... Its an open question, but signs point to "the end".

[cold quarry]

the fabled rundown 9

spoken only in hushed whispers

[craggy pier]

wonder if e1 will get me those pants

[cold quarry]

i just have KDS deep left too

[turbid sinew]

yeah I was really hoping GTFO was still kicking and was a contender for all my homies

[cold quarry]

I want the santonian palette

[cold quarry]

I mean it is

[turbid sinew]

but $40 for a game down this path

yeesh

[cold quarry]

I got the game back in jan, got some friends to get it, and ive put 400 hours into it

[dry pumice]

I mean... You get insane play value

I'm currently down to last level and that took like 200 hours

That being said: replaying a level that wiped you on 1h45min is not very fun

[ocean spindle]

gtfo is not a warframe where u just grind for 70 hours to get a but of a weapon, is a game where everythin is presented, but its still gonna takr 50 60 70 houts to get through 10 levels, and theres like 60 70 of em

not counting the ones left

which might elevate it to, 100 levels

[cold quarry]

my combined like 12 hours spent doing drink-if-you-die R2D1 runs disagree

[ocean spindle]

lmao

[dry pumice]

R5 D1 was nothing but hell. Most stupid of wipes and then it dared to drop out a guy and force us to finish as 3.

[cold quarry]

shotgun sentry

[dry pumice]

140 minutes of expedition cleared with last guy standing on extraction point with like 30 HP and 10 enemies surrounding him

That level just did not want to let me go

[topaz willow]

do sentries if shooting enemies damage doors?

[civic wave]

no, projectiles cannot damage doors

enemies, your melee attacks, and tripmines can but that's about it

[soft crater]

Open na noor

Bonks door open

[soft crater]

What guns are able to oneshot Shockers?

[sturdy glen]

just sniper

sniper sentry almost kills it and shoots while the mouth is shut

[soft crater]

It's because the last I went against Shockers

I had hel rifle

and from what Daky told me

It's pen bug

hitting an enemy multiple times

from what I can gather. I was penetrating the mouth weakpoint into the back weakpoint with helrifle

[turbid horizon]

You could test it, where are shockers easily accessible?

wait like nowhere

[soft crater]

well I don't really need to test it imo

[turbid horizon]

i can in a bit lol

[soft crater]

I killed all the shockers in that particular time

It was kinda of weird to me at the time that hel rifle was one shotting the shockers

[craggy pier]

If hel rifle can do that, can a hel revolver damage shockers through its armor ?

[fierce walrus]

you mean chargers?

all weapons can damage them

[craggy pier]

Flying things

But with armor

[fierce walrus]

Oh

those

I doubt it would oneshot

but could prolly damage them

[past mesa]

you cant dmg thro amor but you can shoot through some of the gaps

[neon gust]

hel rifle does 30 damage, shooters got 30 health

shooters die in 1 shot to the body

now its not that impressive

[modern ibex]

If a weapon has a sub-1x precision multiplier, does that mean it actually does.... less damage if you hit weakspots??

[neon gust]

yes

[modern ibex]

That's bizarre

[neon gust]

how is that bizzare?

[jagged shore]

it still does more overall cause the enemy's weakspot multiplier stacks with the weapon's precision multi and brings it over 1x total again
it's just for extra gun balancing

[ocean spindle]

no, like its the dmg, plus the multiplier that does result in less dmg, but also multiplied by the weakspot of the enemy

[modern ibex]

I didn't realize it was still multiplied by a weakspot, so I thought you could end up doing less overall by hitting the head

[ocean spindle]

like 2 dmg, .5 multiplier is 1 dmg right
multiplied by the x5 weakness on the head of an enemy, is 5

[modern ibex]

that makes more sense now

[ocean spindle]

yes is a bit weird it at first but it does do more dmg

[modern ibex]

Thanks for the clarification!

If my math is right, using an IIX syringe will let me stealth kill charger giants and scouts, yeah?

[ocean spindle]

yeah! tho u can alreasy stealth scouts with a melee weapon ksks

but u will oneshot a big, with one fully charger hit in the back of the head, with every melee except bat

[modern ibex]

Nice, okay. I read that on the wiki, but I know Chargers dont' take bonus head damage so I wondered if the same still applied

[mellow storm]

Hi so I’m confused how the whole matchmake thing works I wanna join so people for R1 but I read rule seven and went over how to matchmake channel and I’m still confused how it works I wanna make my own one to do most of r1

[modern ibex]

I'm solo though so I can't do the double attack sadge

[mellow storm]

Sorry for getting in yallsconvo

[modern ibex]

All good mate I got my question answered

Basically people will post groups that they need more people to join, and you can join those with the invite. Rule 7 is just saying dont' randomly pop into voice channels trying to get a group

[ocean spindle]

ah but with foam then yeah

[mellow storm]

Yeah but just confused how this works can I join a empty channel to make my own server

[modern ibex]

Unfortunately I desperately need my Sentry since I'm on R3D1 and I need all the firepower I can get

[modern ibex]

Yeah! If you want to start your own game you just find an empty channel, then post a voice invite with the expedition details and invite code as laid out in #how-to-matchmake

[ocean spindle]

just some advice!
always ask to not be carried and make sure that everyone joinin ur lobby joins ur voice channel

and if you are new be sure to do the tutorial first [Training] and start on rundown 1 since its the simplest one

[mellow storm]

Yeah i played three r1s when I first started but the people I played with don’t play anymore so I wanted to start my own

[ocean spindle]

ok fairs then yeah u u might need those
but well battery chargers have the same health as normal bigs, so idk if u can from the back oneshot em

[ocean spindle]

thats fairs, hope u get a group soon

[mellow storm]

Thanks man I’ll try to figure out a good invite to show I want to do r1c1 or r1b2

[modern ibex]

Damn. I mean I can't even get a clear shot most of the time. The second arc of this expedition is beating my ass. There's just too many big bois in this room to clear loud or stealthy

[vague bridge]

solution: dont clear

[ocean spindle]

i mean u could get away with in in the first room but if theres a scout on the second is very hard to pass it isnt it

[craggy pier]

Cfoam bio 2 sentries

[vague bridge]

its doable

[ocean spindle]

cause is smol bridge

[modern ibex]

I genuinely considered stealthing through, but there is a "fun surprise" at the end before extract that I will need to deal with loud

so there's no shot I complete this without clearing these rooms

[vague bridge]

as long as you don't shoot your gun while in area A of the alarm

[craggy pier]

Yes surprise that you can kill before she gives a birth

[vague bridge]

you won't wake anyone up

[modern ibex]

I'm playing solo so I don't have the DPS or the tool slots to c-foam her AND kill her

[modern ibex]

we're both talking about R3D1, right?

[vague bridge]

yeah

theres the super sneak zone

[craggy pier]

The tools help you get to the final spot

[vague bridge]

then theres a two room zone

then a shooter alarm

[craggy pier]

No need to cfoam

[vague bridge]

if you stay in the room with the alarm door you won't wake anyone up since theyre two rooms away

[modern ibex]

Hm, that is a thought then

[mellow storm]

how do i invit epeople to my discord channel it wont let me, do i just copy the link

[craggy pier]

Yes

[ocean spindle]

to copy the vc link u right click, 'copy link' and then u paste it in ur message

[mellow storm]

oh okay thank you it looked different for me so i thought it was wrong

[ocean spindle]

nah itll like
embed once u send it

[radiant vigil]

<@&413248043215749121> Feedback:
Every time I've tried to play this I've struggled to fine anyone in matchmaking - I've waited for 10-15 minutes in each RunDow

Why not have a match making searh option to search for any game in any run down? I had to join the discord just to find a group to play with and most people probably wouldn't bother.

Main Menu is quite tricky to navigate to a new player, even though I love the style.
These things probably don't help retain new players.
My only other criticism is the ragdolls jumping when some of them die, I know it's untiy and the game is really impressive on a technical level since you made it on unity (that itself is impressive).
I really love this game, it has a unique and awesomely immersive atmosphere. It's difficult and theres lots to learn which is always good. The lighting is simply godlike, it's such a great experience.
I would add achievements - it will help retain players.
But I guarantee the main menu and matchmaking are currently obstacles which filter new players. I can see the reasons behind the design choices, but the main menu I at least would try see how it could be improved, thats navigation and how it looks. (try not to change the style too much I really love it, it feels fresh and unique.)

[jagged shore]

not really sure why you pinged admins about this

[modern ibex]

I guess there's not really a feedback channel

[jagged shore]

used to be game suggestions but that was removed at some point for one reason or another
and now suggestions are meant to be pointed towards their email or some such

but regardless
even if that made pinging some group okay
the admins aren't the devs lol

[sturdy dew]

Yeah like Jarhead said, game suggestions are now done by emailing [e-mail], us mere admins don’t have control over game development so if you want the devs to hear your feedback emailing that email is the way to do it.

[silver fable]

in-game lobby browser would probably make the most sense for improved matchmaking at this point, considering gtfo is near-dead game

arguably that's just building functionality into the game client that discord already provides, but maybe that vibes better for players who consider discord to be a cesspit

[solemn flint]

how can knife assasinate giants?

hmmmmmmmmm

[silver fable]

I assume slendi is talking about yellow drugs

knife gets a sleep bonus, I think shanking a sleeping giant occi gets you something like 45 damage without the drug

[modern ibex]

Yeah, I was asking about what I could clear in stealth with XII syringe while I was working through R3D1

Even if it's only one kill in stealth, that syringe is super gross

[cold quarry]

knife hits for 49.5 to the back of a giants head

will indeed oneshot with IIX

[tardy ingot]

This near dead is such a trash way of talking about it

you think no one is gonna play it in 6 months?

Otherwise why say near dead

[mossy aurora]

its accurate though

[silver fable]

a game focused around online multiplayer with ~1000 concurrents is near dead, yes

[tardy ingot]

on what do you base that

some guy talking about profits?

Also i guess gtfo has basically always been dead then

seems like it doesnt freaking die tho

[silver fable]

especially relevant when discussing automatic matchmaking, which isn't going to function with that amount of concurrents, regardless of quality

[silver fable]

game dev studios are not charities

[latent obsidian]

Looks like player numbers now are higher on average than before discounting the peaks around R6 release and free weekend

[silver fable]

if you're happy with a very small community playing a game that has been declared feture-complete and soon to be declared content-complete, great

[tardy ingot]

B-b-but dead game ellda

[tardy ingot]

2 different points ffs

[latent obsidian]

from a development view I'd accept what you are talking about

not playerbase

[tardy ingot]

1 is game having few players
1 is it being nearly done updating

THANK YOU ELLDA

[silver fable]

playerbase (and in the case of the gtfo business model, playerbase growth in particular) directly influences whether the game keeps getting content and features, though

[latent obsidian]

The GTFO following was never huge but tbh the lfg channels seem to have been pretty consistently active for a while now

Maybe people are just taking their time with R5

[tardy ingot]

Automatic matchmaking isnt smth super nice in a game like this anyhow

Personalized matchmaking has higher entry difficulty for greater reward

[mossy aurora]

not by choice though lol

[latent obsidian]

Meaning that its difficult? Thats fine right?

[silver fable]

If you're saying you're cool with the game wrapping up with r8 in basically the state it's in now featurewise, then great, but a bunch of vets seem pretty bummed out abou that

[mossy aurora]

yeah, a lot of the players that started in r6/r7 are probably struggling with the r5 maps

and probably also struggled a lot with some r4 ones as well

and thats a good thing imo

[tardy ingot]

Kek

You dont get the difference between playerbase - dead
And update - dead

Obviously most vets are bummed about r8 ending it most likely lol

[latent obsidian]

I think the real question is are these slightly higher numbers due to the core playerbase taking longer to clear these rundowns or is it actually some new player turnover happening?

[tardy ingot]

But thats the game update cycle being dead

[dry pumice]

There's been a couple of new popular GTFO videos. Some guy posted one like 3-4 days ago.

It really could be just a surge of popularity.

[latent obsidian]

I feel like I see new people introducing themselves and asking questions in here kinda often

And I wouldn't expect the majority of new players to do that

[tardy ingot]

Nono, obviously all of them do it!

[silver fable]

no, you just has a strong emotional response to a game with any community at all, no matter how small, being regarded as dead

I honestly don't get why you care

[latent obsidian]

Looking at player numbers right now its not much different than it ever has been, so are you just predicting everyone jumping ship when R8 is done and everyone finishes it?

[silver fable]

I think gtfo player numbers for a long time have been indicative of a game that has underperformed

like, by an order of magnitude

[latent obsidian]

Well if you consider these numbers low thats not really a new thing

[dry pumice]

Unless its a niche indie

[silver fable]

yeah I didn't say it was new

[latent obsidian]

It had notably higher numbers at R6 release and free weekend, besides that its always been here

So the game just never really took off then?

[silver fable]

I think these issues were apparent in the months after r6/r7

if anything I think the game is doing a little better now with the frequent reintroduction of alts

[latent obsidian]

Okay

[dry pumice]

Matchmaking worked for exactly 2 weeks after release

[silver fable]

but like, not transformatively better

[dry pumice]

I managed to get to C1 with it

[latent obsidian]

I think you saying "nearly dead" made it sound like it was dying out NOW

[dry pumice]

(of R6)

[latent obsidian]

Which is why Eva maybe had his hackles up

[dry pumice]

And then it stopped and i had to come here

[silver fable]

I'd probably just skip to "dead" to describe that state of affairs

[latent obsidian]

lol alright

depends on your standards for sure

[neon gust]

regardless of player numbers, a lobby system its way better for coop games

[latent obsidian]

Obviously would be nice to have more players but it seems reasonable for people to find people to play with in its current state

[silver fable]

I don't know what's going to happen after r8 drops and the initial activity for that rundown fizzles away

[neon gust]

matchmaking only good for pvp, pvpvpe

[silver fable]

my guess is sub-500 numbers, like late r6/r7

[tardy ingot]

No. „Dead“ is just simply an overused and wrongly used term for a lot of games

[tardy ingot]

Underperformed? Yesnt
Its a niche game anyhow, the number are worse than they could (and should) be tho

Doesnt mean dead anyhow

[tardy ingot]

That and me hating the term if used incorrectly

[silver fable]

we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one

I think "near dead" or "dead" describes a phenomenon relating to the commercial viability of the game

also fwiw it's not like I'm trying to dunk on the game

[past star]

To be fair. It does work. Just no one uses it.

[silver fable]

I put 1.8k hours into the game and imo I'm at the peak of my enjoyment of the game

[past star]

Come speedrun ;)

[silver fable]

sure I complain about things, but I think game good

[silver fable]

maybe at some point

[tardy ingot]

Welp, seems like mario 64 is a dead game

oh sry, dying

[silver fable]

awkward term to use for a single-player game that never had an ongoing content delivery plan or multiplayer community

granted it has a vibrant speedrun community

[tardy ingot]

imo coop pve is way more similar to singleplayer than pvp

[silver fable]

also millions of customers come out every time nintendo makes a new 3d mario

I don't think the business case for gtfo 2 exists

[jaunty bear]

gtvfo

get the very f out

theres gtfo 2

[past star]

Can’t wait

[tardy ingot]

stfu is gtfo 2

[past star]

Includes heists

[jaunty bear]

lol

[past star]

GTFO: get tacos for Obama
Stfu: Save tacos for Ukraine

[civic wave]

Why is it always tacos, couldn't it be tortellini or tagliatelle or some other food beginning with t like turnip

Are we talking hard or soft tacos? And what fillings? Is it only the shell? This would never stand up in a court of law

[hidden ridge]

To an extent

It's not like the "game is supposed to be played with 4 people" argument doesn't work both ways

Game will be (can be? Timezones do matter) considered dead when you'll have trouble filling a team for your timezone

As of now I dont think that happens unless you REALLY push it into the "find a game in OCE at 1:00 am local time on a mid week day"

[craggy pier]

how tf do i deal with giants with bots

[silver fable]

shoot them?

if you mean in stealth, I was under the impression that the bots can melee bigs pretty respectably

[mossy aurora]

Sometimes they start shooting after you hit I think

[craggy pier]

that's the problem

they just walk up to the giants

i hit the giant

then they just stay in place and die

[silver fable]

hm, fair

maybe someone more familiar with the bots can debug further

[mossy aurora]

I remember getting annoyed the bots would waste ammo shooting the bigs when I could just melee them

[fierce walrus]

if bots are close enough to a giant they should melee it

but sometimes they will still just shoot

i never had it where bots do nothing

[modern ibex]

You can also solo stealth kill them with melee, as long as you're using a sledge, or ideally, a spear. It can be a bit tricky at first, and is very risky, but the payoff is obviously huge.

[hidden ridge]

Someone elaborated on this a while ago, but I cant remember who. In any event, get close to the giant, wait for ALL the bots to get close to him and to stop moving (they pretend they can wake shit up, that's why they sometimes just walk), wait for Bio Bot to do the 360 no scope line, then bonk.

[craggy pier]

they all are close to the giant

fucking hate bots

[modern ibex]

I do really recommend learning how to take them down solo if you're a spear or sledgehammer enjoyer

[tardy ingot]

Hammer*

spear is the „how do i wanna make myself suffer“ melee

[craggy pier]

nuh uh

[tardy ingot]

oh yes, yes it is

[craggy pier]

why

[tardy ingot]

No sprint
Bad dmg profile (prec multi at best draws it even)
Shove stops stamina regen (unique to it)
Ass stagger and environmental (locks) multi

[modern ibex]

I agree that Sledge is the "optimal" melee weapon, but spear offers range, which even on its own gives you a lot of leeway in positioning

I find it a lot harder to fuck up a stealth kill on a giant with the spear than I do with the sledge

[craggy pier]

it's good cause you can reenact homo habilis using their tools

it stimulates my last braincell

[modern ibex]

LOL

[native sun]

You haven't experienced GTFO until you've had a full phalanx of 4 people holding a hallway with spears

[craggy pier]

*of 4 people holding a hallway with spears, doing monkey noises

[civic wave]

L + no shields + you'll never be a true legionnaire + no carpe diem for you

[tardy ingot]

Range is overrated when you cant position quickly with it

Spear is basically a crutch that teaches bad habits while having a way way lower skill ceiling

[tardy ingot]

R6 pre nerf spear holds were funny as hell

[native sun]

I remember them fondly

[craggy pier]

imagine positioning, real men FUCKING DIE in the complex

[modern ibex]

Yeah, and I wouldn't argue with any of that, but that is a benefit that the spear has. It's easy to use and newer players aren't going to be able to utilize the Sledge to its full capacity. A low skill ceiling is a boon on its own in a game that can be incredibly difficult

[native sun]

Spear will help you beat A levels, but will be detrimental by the time you reach C levels.

[mossy aurora]

Hold the side room of R2E1 first surge on that little ramp to reenact the movie 300

[craggy pier]

i completed r7d1 with the spear

[native sun]

Y E S

[tardy ingot]

You can complete any level as a duo

What does 1 guy doing nothing mean

[mossy aurora]

You would probably just keep killing strikers until you're shooter capped and then the arrows blot out the sun like the movie...

[native sun]

Okay...? And I've completed R2E1 with bullpup precision rifle spear and shotgun sentry

Doesn't mean its good

[craggy pier]

it took me and one my friend 7 hours to beat it

💪

[tardy ingot]

what o.o

[craggy pier]

in one sitting

[craggy pier]

and i never went past r2d1

💪

[modern ibex]

That is a long haul my dude

[tardy ingot]

Way too long

unless it was 1 sitting and not 1 run

[modern ibex]

I think my longest expedition was my final attempt on R3D1 today, clocking in at a little under 2:30

I would imagine there were breaks, I can't imagine even having enough to do for seven hours. I've not played any R7 though so

[craggy pier]

7 hours in one sitting, IN one run

[craggy pier]

only a 30 min break for dinner

[modern ibex]

God god, what in the fuck were you guys doing for that long

I mean, I don't want any spoilers so maybe not. But still, wow

[craggy pier]

completing r7d1?

we were so fucked at the end

we had to melee only beat a tank

and we did it first try

[tardy ingot]

7 hours is still like 4 times as long as a LONG attempt

[tardy ingot]

Still congrats tho

[modern ibex]

Yeah that's wild to me, but hey still, congrats

[tardy ingot]

but god… you can do the level nearly 30 times in that time span

[craggy pier]

also that was main only

no overload

and spear was really useful at the end

[tardy ingot]

The only reason to do a run with overload that long is to melee the enemies it spawns until it is exhausted

[tardy ingot]

„Useful“

Suuuuure

[craggy pier]

tank melee fight

i would rather shit myself than do it with a sledge

[ocean spindle]

i mean if u don't have another melee spear just is useful cause u don't have anything else

not sayin is, great but, idk

[modern ibex]

I would so much rather fight a giant with a spear than with anything other than a Sledge

[ocean spindle]

also same i fuckin hate sledge but even if it hurts me it is better and i hate it

i will never pick it up ew

[craggy pier]

if only sledge and spear switched stats

[modern ibex]

I hate sledge but it's just too flexible

[craggy pier]

spears animation is better

cuz it hits where you want it to

[modern ibex]

On that note though, sledge will sometimes get you hits that you whiff with a spear due to its animation

I've missed a leg I was aiming for and still broken an arm

[craggy pier]

and it doesnt take half of your screen

[ocean spindle]

i mean the other two don't take screen either but yeah i guess the direction of the hit is the
second thing going for it

i still like my bat

the side hit doesn't bother me

[craggy pier]

bat is poggers

[ocean spindle]

bat is cool

[craggy pier]

quick and can deal with giants

and ez to deal with scouts unlike the knife

[ocean spindle]

i'm glad we havin this convo

bat is cool unless u play solo

:]

[craggy pier]

i play mostly solo

[ocean spindle]

then with bigs is harder but with a team is marvelous

[modern ibex]

Only two weapons allowed for solo players, I cri

[ocean spindle]

no bot solo, solo solo

[craggy pier]

ahh

[ocean spindle]

i play bots too but that's not solo

[craggy pier]

no bot is pain

[tardy ingot]

Huh?

[ocean spindle]

no yeah that's another league but with bots i always have a bat
one hit in the back of the head and another in the back and then as the bots rush in they save me, so nice

[modern ibex]

I don't think I'll ever take anything other than Sledge or Spear when I'm running by myself. Knife is okay in certain occasions but you just lose out on a lot that the higher damage melees give you

[ocean spindle]

that's fair, when im with a team i pick knife cause i think it's very fun

[modern ibex]

Knife is mega fun

Maybe the most fun melee weapon tbh

[ocean spindle]

but all the times i play alone with bots is a bat kdmsk

yeah

fr

is so nice to just go stabby stab

[craggy pier]

knife is basically london simulator

[modern ibex]

But when a big boye is staring me down or I need to deal with some chargers I'd just rather have a big shmacker

[ocean spindle]

that is the melee i think has the better animation :3

[craggy pier]

runnin around stabbin everything

[ocean spindle]

yeah
when chargers i used to take hammer but i've resigned im just gonna keep vibin bat MDMSKDM

it doesn't oneshot but idc

:3

[modern ibex]

Hey having a good time is the most important part

[tardy ingot]

i mean in most situations youll shoot giants anyhow (or just stealth past)

[modern ibex]

I just find as I get deeper into each rundown I start having to sweat my fucking brains out even more

[ocean spindle]

hel yeah
haha gtfo reference
that's why i always have an smg, ok not always but i do like it
also yeah i can't express how hard r2d1 was for me KMDSKD

[tardy ingot]

for solo spear is honestly the most limiting

since you suffer when trying to clean up with melee

[soft crater]

20+ Stab wounds

[ocean spindle]

idk if it's solo with bots or no

[modern ibex]

Can't wait to get my ass beat, working through R2 right now

R3D1 did me dirtier than any other expo so far

[tardy ingot]

id rather shoot giants and melee waves than shoot waves and melee giants in solo

[craggy pier]

also, how bad is R4C1 for solo with bots

[modern ibex]

In vanilla true solo you have the ammo for that though, for sure

[ocean spindle]

yeah i've seen u in chat like talkin about doin it idk how the hell ur gonna but tbh that's very cool progress

[modern ibex]

I did do it! Got my W earlier, at just under two and a half hours LMAO

[ocean spindle]

WHAT

OH NICE !

:O

[modern ibex]

Thanks it was awful LMAO

My goal is to do it again without boosters

[ocean spindle]

KDMSKDM i bet it was awful but congratulations :D

[modern ibex]

Thank you!

Actually wild how much of a difference the muted main damage booster does. Being able to one-shot strikers with the DMR is like heroin. I can never run it again or I won't be able to go back 😩

[verbal marlin]

hey just freshly got the game any tips i should take to heart ? (watched like 2 vids on this)

[ocean spindle]

hello! well um should do the tutorial, TRAINING just to freshen out the strata n stuff
start on r1 since it's the simplest one
try alll the guns at least a couple times cause some are very situational so u get a grip of em

and, are u gonna search for teammates in this server? :3

[native sun]

Do you have friends to play with, or are you looking to find people to play with through this server?

[modern ibex]

Welcome! The thing that helped me most when I first started was to pay attention to what wakes the creatures up. You can kill them very close to others without waking them up, but if they're lit up they'll notice you fighting from much closer.

[verbal marlin]

i don't think any of my friends play this i'm sure they would love me to force them into a game again but not sure yet. so far i am solo not really looking for people since i might just ruin the run for them even if i have the newbi card here

[latent obsidian]

learn how to use terminals to list and find resources and key items

[ocean spindle]

thats fairs, there's bots u can run levels with, just note it's a bit harder since u gotta do all the stealth n stuff

:3

[sly fractal]

@verbal marlin We've just started as well if you'd like to join us mate. The community seems extremely helpful to new folks 😉
We're in voice chat 09 and starting R1A1

[modern ibex]

Definitely do not worry about that last part. There's a whole channel just for beginner groups and everyone here is super cool about teaching and playing with new players. The first expeditions are great learning experiences and you're not going to ruin anyone's time!

[verbal marlin]

yea ive noticed from the 2 videos i watched that stealth kills are needed and ammo is rare to come by didnt expect anything else from a horror fps so it is what it is

[native sun]

The game is unforgivingly hard, and there is no difficulty scaling for playing with fewer people. You can play with bots, but they're significantly worse than players.

Definitely recommend playing with some real people at least to get you started in the game.

[ocean spindle]

i wouldn't say they that bad but

it's gonna take u a couple tries

[modern ibex]

You definitely will struggle in the later stages if you use your guns to solve every problem, but unless you're using weapons with horrible ammo economy, you can be more liberal with them than you'd expect, as long as you make your shots count

[tardy ingot]

:^ )
Whats stealth

[ocean spindle]

when u don't wake up enemies

but if u wake a lot by accident

then it isn't stealth

and u can maybe pull out ur gun

[tardy ingot]

Beat the tutorial in 4 minutes and 7 seconds

Then you can start r1a1

[hearty aspen]

have anyone tested if stack infection resist above 100% it will "clean" your infection in R5E1?

[native sun]

it does work

[hearty aspen]

cool,that something new

[stable walrus]

Tutorial, try out r1a1 with bots or solo if you want to try out weapons/mechanics, or go into #lfg-beginners and look for a game hosting that map/make a lobby yourself

[sick hornet]

ngl i didn't do the turtorial i instantly went into R1A1

but so far met really nice people that helped me get to R2~ and explained a lot of things to me so I have a better perception and grasp on how to play the game

[ocean spindle]

nice :]
but yeah the tutorial is very important before start playin

[sick hornet]

what does it explain that you don't learn in the process ?

just wondering if i miss some knowledge

[ocean spindle]

i mean, nothin but its good to know right away how stealth and alarms work

[tardy ingot]

it just calmly makes you observe zones/rooms, alarm signs on doors. Basic enemy stealth and ressources

[ocean spindle]

...

actually it does have somethin

checkpoints

[tardy ingot]

which are actually things a lot of people somehow dont fucking understand

[ocean spindle]

u havent come across any and u wont but

at least in a while

but it has that

yeah signs on walls too

for zones n stuff

maybe doors

like which zones do they conduct to

[sick hornet]

oh i mean i feel like i watched a lot of guides before i started playing i killed my first tentacle melee yesterday it was such a pog moment

[tardy ingot]

if you play like a human and try to learn the game, skipping the tutorial only slightly slows you down

id still recommend to try playing it

it doesnt take long

[ocean spindle]

nice :]
i mean yeah its fine u like watched videos n stuff, and tbh i disnt need the tutorial i just did it cause it was new

[solemn flint]

welp, next tenticle dude then

[ocean spindle]

and its ok

yeah i would just give it a try

[solemn flint]

just give them a good old bonk to the head

[ocean spindle]

also nie job on the kill :D

[sick hornet]

ye i jump bonked him

[ocean spindle]

noice >:3

kill that bitch

[tardy ingot]

great you now already as good as slendi

[solemn flint]

nothing better than a good old bonk to sent them to je sus

[ocean spindle]

nah probs better :]

[sick hornet]

but honestly i think some of the people here are really nice and don't get mad which makes me happy but i also got trolled like you know the sponges on the walls? That scream and go boom well someone shot them above my head a lot and they scared the crap out of me i might have or may not have screamed cause i got scared

[tardy ingot]

spitters are the bane of any players existence

[ocean spindle]

KSDMKDM those things scare me so bad but i cant say anythin cause i did that to someone too

[tardy ingot]

better to build some resistance early

[ocean spindle]

there was one person at the other side of like a wall and the spitter was a bit out of it so i could melee it w/o gettin dmg, and i just did and i scared em skdmksm

[sick hornet]

ye now i know i can just shine my light at them and the shrink back to normal small loofas

[ocean spindle]

yes they become smol
good
i dont like em :3 they gross

i mean i like em as in gamin and mechanic but they scare me

[sick hornet]

first time i saw them tho i went to like infection level 60%

[tardy ingot]

Until the game decides to troll you

[civic wave]

spitters are up there as something that is very annoying

[tardy ingot]

i swear. I learned to hate spitters again on r3b2

[civic wave]

along with enemy collision and whatnot

[tardy ingot]

spitters on slight desync are the most random ass enemy in the game

[sick hornet]

ah i just did the invi level last night that one was also hard

[ocean spindle]

idk what that level has but its so bad it has spitters like, so weirdly

[ocean spindle]

ah yeah r1d1?

[sick hornet]

eh maybe ye

i need to check

[civic wave]

it's the one where you first get to see her

[ocean spindle]

yeah, i was excited when i did it the endin is so climatic

idk

its very excitin :3

[ocean spindle]

yes but this is about the spitters not about that KMSDKM

[civic wave]

"idk what that level has"

[tardy ingot]

also a pretty cool speedrun

but

[craggy pier]

Have they added any new enemies? After the snatcher was added btw

[tardy ingot]

fuck

[civic wave]

so now you know, it has her

[tardy ingot]

the

[sick hornet]

also idk if i like my bio scan anymore i got told if i meet an invincible boss i need to kite it around with bio scan and run it around a room

[tardy ingot]

last scan

[ocean spindle]

what it has in spitters, cause they act so weirdly

:b

[civic wave]

don't worry, that's like only 1 level and you don't need biotracker for that

[tardy ingot]

you dont need to

And just ignore what most pubs tell ya

[ocean spindle]

nope they added old rundowns

[craggy pier]

Alright, thanks

[ocean spindle]

i mean theres the other, r7 one but eh that one was there since r7 too

[civic wave]

a good rule of thumb is that most people are idiots, now unfortunately I can't tell you if the person you're talking to is an idiot without hearing the conversation

[sick hornet]

ah so i checked i got to R2C1 yesterday it had the invi guys

[tardy ingot]

very potentially so pachi

[ocean spindle]

oh :D

thats a very funky level

[craggy pier]

Yeah, so it can't technically be counted

[ocean spindle]

i like it, maybs its unpopular opinion but r2c1 is ok

i like the alarms on it

[tardy ingot]

r2c1 is ok ye

its kinda tedious as a replay

but for beginners its alright for sure

also shitty as … you know the drill

[ocean spindle]

i should replay more levels, i always just kinda focus on the ones i need

[tardy ingot]

clear them all. Then you only get reclears

[ocean spindle]

cause i only play with people that r about as far as me

[sick hornet]

there were a lot of scouts tho - and there were a lot of full room agros + wailing and someone left midway through sadly so we had to do a part of it with 3

[ocean spindle]

its hard to find groups
or well, hard for me to start searchin for groups KSDMKM

[ocean spindle]

sads but well bots are, pretty useful so goods enough

[sick hornet]

also can someone make the terminal drunk?

i swear someone did smthing to it and the letters went wobbly

[ocean spindle]

when ur infected the screen wobbles :]

[brittle mural]

Infection issue

[sick hornet]

Aha

[ocean spindle]

its noticeable on terminals but it happens always ksmdkm

if ur like 100% infected its very clear to see

[sick hornet]

no there was a level where i was like look let's kill these mobs in the fog and i was waiting there but noone came down i went to 85% infection

[brittle mural]

L

[ocean spindle]

damn qwq
u just waitin patienlty there dyin like 'hey, are u guys comin?'

[sick hornet]

ye then when i got back up we just woke up the room and it was hammer time 👀 to get them out of there

[civic wave]

infection is funny

boy is it cool when your crosshair leaves the centre of your screen

[tardy ingot]

infection even throws off your aim

[ocean spindle]

u shoot it goes backwards like a cartoon

ksmdkm

[ocean spindle]

i wouldve go bat time >:]

[tardy ingot]

Yea cuz you would have a bat time :T

[civic wave]

bat is quaint

[sick hornet]

so far i think hammer is my fav

[ocean spindle]

yes
bonky bonk

:3

[tardy ingot]

@ocean spindle cant believe you never ran training

as a bat enjoyer

[ocean spindle]

i did
yesterday i got a 5 min mark :]

that was pretty funny

[soft crater]

Should open the locked door slendi

[ocean spindle]

when i did it first time it took me half an hour

[latent obsidian]

keep practicing you'll have it down to 4 minutes in no time

[ocean spindle]

ik my bad :[

[ocean spindle]

ok its been no time and i dont have it down

why do u lie like this

[latent obsidian]

you didn't keep practicing!

you just tried to get clever with me 🤨

[ocean spindle]

u dont know if im playin rn :3

[latent obsidian]

theres a lot of things I don't know 😏

[tardy ingot]

i know you werent slendi

im in your walls

[ocean spindle]

jokes on u i dont have walls

:]

[craggy pier]

everybody gangsta until "im in your balls"

[soft crater]

spending man orders walls

[latent obsidian]

Slendi plays in the car

[ocean spindle]

i play on a cardboard box

a flattened one

[soft crater]

Me who used to play on a foldable dinner top table.

[ocean spindle]

thats better than me already

[silver fable]

wait, how the hell did you run out of ammo in r7d1

[ocean spindle]

they used it all

[soft crater]

...

[craggy pier]

dealing with mothers?

[soft crater]

How the fuck.

[ocean spindle]

thats how usually one runs out of ammo, shootin

[craggy pier]

cuz we fucked up a wave 😔

[soft crater]

....

[craggy pier]

or a code

yea

you do codes

that attempt was like 6 or 7 months ago

you had to like

find terminals

[silver fable]

you know they have tumors on their back, and if you shoot them anywhere other than the tumors they don't take damage

[craggy pier]

get codes

[silver fable]

right?

[craggy pier]

yea

when you shoot them anywhere else

you get a gray hitmarker

[silver fable]

there's just, a ridiculous amount of ammo in r7d1

[craggy pier]

bro we had like 40 hours when we were doing r7d1

[silver fable]

I guess, but... eh, forget I said anything

[ocean spindle]

oh yeah how did u

get there

doin r7d1, probs one of the hardest d1s with oveerload, with just 40 hours

[craggy pier]

no overload

[ocean spindle]

ah

[latent obsidian]

I hope you didn't get c*rried 🙏

[craggy pier]

and we got there by fully completing R1 and having no other level to do in R7

[craggy pier]

it took us 7 hours there was no carrying lmfao

2 person squad and 2 bots

[latent obsidian]

how did you find R7C1?

[craggy pier]

i lfgd

2 person couldnt do it

the S scan was AWFUL

[latent obsidian]

yeah its a roughie toughie

lots of challenges in that level

[craggy pier]

which S scan is worse R7C1 or R5C1?

as in

longer and more enemies

[latent obsidian]

I've not played Alt R5C1 so idk

[craggy pier]

or are both the same

[latent obsidian]

the difficulty difference will probably come down to room layout, I always hated the old R5C1 S scan, more than R7C1's, but I've improved since then too

[stone rampart]

I just want to ask for ppls opinions but do y’all think it’s necessary to have a bio tracker on your team rather than other utilities that do damage

[winged turtle]

imo the R7C1 S scan is harder, because of enemy comp and room layout, but R5C1 consistently leaves you drained on ammo or tool or both

[latent obsidian]

I think its more often than not nice to have, but its definitely not "necessary" for most levels

[winged turtle]

It is almost always correct to bring a biotracker

it is correct on more levels to bring two bio trackers then on levels it's correct to bring zero

[stone rampart]

Are there any levels that you would actually need two

[winged turtle]

yes

not cery many, for sure

but more than zero biotracker levels

[latent obsidian]

Being a bit pedantic, but I'd say there are levels where you can get value from have 2 bios, rather than levels where you need two

[craggy pier]

example?

[latent obsidian]

The two that spring to mind for me are R6D3 and R4E1Ex

[stone rampart]

Sorry for being slow but

Like what purpose does two serve instead of one

[latent obsidian]

Its for situations where your team is forced to split up

[stone rampart]

Oh okay that makes more sense. What’s the opinion on the mine deployer

[latent obsidian]

Mine deployer is great on most "conventional" levels. If there is a door you can close adjacent to an alarm room you can get great value from it

and pairs excellently with cfoam

[winged turtle]

R4E1 is the prime example, but Ellda is more right on this one, its never mandatory, but there are levels where two gives a significant amount of value

[winged turtle]

using one mine and one door is one of the most efficient ways of killing a wave in the game

[craggy pier]

Wow! I can't find a flaw in her logic!

[stone rampart]

So it would be better the space out the mines rather than stack

I was told it’s better to put them at giant height

[dry pumice]

R5B4 is a mine haven

You can save so much ammo on that level by just using doors and mines

[stone rampart]

Do you usually put mines behind or infront of a closed door

[civic wave]

on your side of the door

[dry pumice]

Theres never a reason to use more than 1 mine on s door. Mimes deal crap damage against giants. Its like 40 damage? So you need 3 to kill a giant and 4 for a hybrid.

[civic wave]

so when they break it down most of the wave gets blown up

[tardy ingot]

R7C1 door and room setups means you are far less stressed. Sentrys dont run dry as quickly and a single sniper invalidates the giants. The wave spawn enemies certainly make it less of a blowout tho

[winged turtle]

it depends on if you want it to kill maximum numbers of smalls, or you want it to definitely kill the giant

[tardy ingot]

Inside the door frame on ankle height is where you wanna put 1 mine

[stone rampart]

So you don’t close the door?

[tardy ingot]

if you want to specifically kill giants (cuz you have left over mines) place them on their height obviously

[dry pumice]

You do.

[tardy ingot]

you do close the door if you mine it lol

[tardy ingot]

50*

[latent obsidian]

1. enemies bunch up on door
2. they break the door and all run it at once
3. BOOM

[dry pumice]

You close the door and put mine on your side.
When swarm break the door and rush in - they collectively step into the mine.

[stone rampart]

That was a 10/10 explanation I’m not even kidding

[winged turtle]

mine is best when the enemies are clumped together, thats why you "spend" the door to clump them together before they break through and trigger the mine

[ocean spindle]

50

[modern ibex]

Incidentally mines are a lot worse on levels that are full of security doors and have less rolling doors, since you can't force them to bunch up in the same way

[tardy ingot]

tho tbf the only rundown where youd not wanna take mines more often than not is r1

[craggy pier]

r1c1

lmfao

[tardy ingot]

and even there they have value outside of b2, c1 and d1

[stone rampart]

If the mine lasers cross each other and one blows up will the other?

[tardy ingot]

mine explosions can set off other mines. But the laser of the exploding mine will need to be close to the actual 2nd mine

[modern ibex]

Yeah I mean you can still get value out of them for sure, just not the same valuetown you can get with rolling doors

[latent obsidian]

I think if the mine itself is in the explosion it will go off, but it doesn't mind its laser getting blown on

I'll admit I haven't tried daisy chaining them though

[stone rampart]

Okay two more questions I promise. First does the mine blow up in a radius or somehow blows up in the shape of its laser

[latent obsidian]

blows up in a cylinder from the mine to the end of the laser

the cylinder probs has like 2m radius or so at a guess but thats finger in the air stuff

[stone rampart]

And it doesn’t matter how far the end of the laser is from the smalls the whole cylinder does the same amount of damage

[latent obsidian]

I think the damage decreases a little at the end of the cylinder, but its rare that would matter

[stone rampart]

Okay okay. Last question which sentry is typically the best because from what I’ve seen a lot of ppl use the shotgun and basically nobody uses the sniper

[latent obsidian]

Burst

[winged turtle]

burst

if in doubt, use burst

[latent obsidian]

a sentry for all seasons

[stone rampart]

Well dang okay

[winged turtle]

and someone needs a Very Good reason to bring a different one imo

[tardy ingot]

yep

[ocean spindle]

sniper is more so for long hallways and distances, it works very well as in big dmg specially with biotracker since it shoots faster
shottie is good for tight corners n stuff, good ammo just shoots too fast and sometimes it misses shoots
and burst is very flexible

and auto sentry staggers and not kills

[stone rampart]

Is there like any valid reason to bring a weapon other than spear or hammer

[tardy ingot]

its basically

95/100 cases its burst
4/100 sniper
1/100 is shotgun/auto

[latent obsidian]

shotgun sentry is for people with lots of tool and an intense hatred of their target

[tardy ingot]

Yeah. Dont bring spear

[stone rampart]

Got it lol

[latent obsidian]

Knife is good for killing the small chaps but the main reason would be fun

[stone rampart]

I thought spears were good for scouts

[winged turtle]

when you aren't playing for a completion, but instead to send a message

[tardy ingot]

knife and bat dont rly have reasons aside from liking them in common gameplay

But knife/bat are better/quicker vs smalls and can easily clear small waves without using ammo or loosing hp

[ocean spindle]

knife is very very fast with smols and bad for bigs, very combat heavy
bat is a faster hammer with faster charge basically
u can use whatever gun as long as u have a team to back it up

a knife is very good for combat, and if ur team is 3 hammers, go for it

they got the bigs situation covered

even like 2 knifes 2 hammers, 2 knifes one bat one hammer, lots of stuff

just depends on the level

same for the sentries

[winged turtle]

all hammers is the safe default :/

all burst is also the safe default

[ocean spindle]

yeah but if u feel like u need more kills in a lvl with melee u can choose around and change it

same for sentries, if u see after ur first attempts its like super tight and theres chokepoints, go shottie

if its long hallways, go sniper

[stone rampart]

So why choose the hammer over bat

[latent obsidian]

and if you're running ahead of your team and killing too many you can take the spear to rein yourself in

[tardy ingot]

hammer is the jack of all trades and master of most

[ocean spindle]

the hammer has more dmg, and basicall the same stagger

[tardy ingot]

game is balanced around it

so it works the best

[tardy ingot]

higher …

[ocean spindle]

that

[latent obsidian]

more higher?

are you grammar policing Slendi?

Oh, higher stagger 😂

[ocean spindle]

bat its a very coop weapon with nice stagger n stuff but also being faster and with some funky capabilities like breakin locks in one go n stuff

[latent obsidian]

nvm but thats still funny to me

[ocean spindle]

thats why i use it

[tardy ingot]

I meant higher stagger

lol

[ocean spindle]

i didnt got any of that tbh :3

[stone rampart]

But no typical reason to use spear?

[winged turtle]

bat is more fun but hammer has a much higher skill ceiling. and it therefore the best

[winged turtle]

:/

[ocean spindle]

i think its good for learnin how to bonk scouts but thats about it, once u know u stwitch to another one

[stone rampart]

My brain is dying

[latent obsidian]

|| I thought Eva was saying you should say "higher damage" instead of "more damage" for some weird reason but that was me misinterpreting but its funny to think that someone would do that so I'm having a good time ||

[ocean spindle]

i mean if u wanna use spear on ur runs, sure, but it is the lower option

[stone rampart]

Thank you

I mean can’t hammers kill scouts too

[ocean spindle]

yeah

same way as spear

headshot

and bat and knife can also do it in the back of the head, tho its harder

specially with knife

[winged turtle]

yaaaaa, but you can sprint while charging. and hammer can light-tap stagger smalls

[tardy ingot]

Faster, more consistently and easier yes

[ocean spindle]

easier?

maybs

idk

[tardy ingot]

you dont have to worry about tentacles

[ocean spindle]

when u start meleein scouts u dont do it while its doin that

u wait till it walks

then u learn how to run to it

which u only can do with hammer

...

well and bat and knife- but u get it

[stone rampart]

Does the bug still exist where sentries can shoot through doors if you place the nozzle of the sentry through the door

[ocean spindle]

nope

was fixed in r2 if im not wrong

[stone rampart]

Dang🫤

[ocean spindle]

never cheese kids

[stone rampart]

Lmao

[ocean spindle]

always download music legally

[latent obsidian]

yeah don't concern yourself with such underhanded stratagems

[ocean spindle]

underhanded stratagems

jesus

[latent obsidian]

always say no to door buggers

[winged turtle]

i close the door on those bugs!

[fierce walrus]

do not let them in, whatever you do do not let them in

[stone rampart]

Well my friends and I started playing the game and we couldn’t even get past the third level so they stopped playing a while ago

But I want to get back into it

[fierce walrus]

R1C1?

[latent obsidian]

Ah, a story as old as time

[ocean spindle]

r1b2 i guess

[stone rampart]

The stupid one where you gotta hold a choke point

And there’s the reactor

[ocean spindle]

r1c1

ok

[fierce walrus]

yeah R1C1

it turns the game around

[ocean spindle]

yeah thats usually the choke for newer players

[stone rampart]

Yeah I’ve still yet to get past it

It’s annoying

[ocean spindle]

now it is a bit easier cause its been 3 years and the guns are like rebalanced to be a lil bit better

[fierce walrus]

you mean not balanced

[ocean spindle]

no, balanced

[fierce walrus]

absolutely not balanced

which makes it easier

[ocean spindle]

every gun is pretty much better than before

i mean

u

[fierce walrus]

looks at smg

[ocean spindle]

im not gettin into this

[fierce walrus]

=)

respectable choice

[ocean spindle]

point is it is easier

[fierce walrus]

yeah due to lack of balance

[stone rampart]

What’s the one gun that has heat sight and is a secondary gun? I think it’s a sniper rifle

[fierce walrus]

Precision rifle

[ocean spindle]

ya calla pesao carachancla

[fierce walrus]

spanish noises?

[stone rampart]

Good? Bad?